The grandmother is 46. 46, and a grandmother to a 12 year old. I really didn't like doing the math on that one...

@Heather - I was boggled at the math myself... and yes 727 is right - it proves that trailer trash is not a phenomenon of the USA alone. :D

I feel sorry for the little girl though - it's not her fault that her family has made many... less than wise choices.

The grandmother looks more like 60 than 47. She is obese, ugly and with a cigarette between her fingers. I am guessing that guy used her and likely molested her grandchild and killed her. Poor little girl had no place to hide to feel safe. Shame on these terrible relatives.

What, you didn't think white trash people lived in England? They have fat people and trailer parks over there, just like here in America. They like to pretend they are better than Americans, but they aren't.

I guarantee you that every generation in this family were on the dole. Yes, there is white trash everywhere there are white people. The grandma was ugly and obese. I hate to stereotype, but she does not look like somewhere who has a job. Sorry, but that's how I see it.

Trashy, welfare-receiving, uneducated, incompetent, lazy women will always back their equally trashy, unemployed, on the dole, uneducated, disgusting, pathetic, waste of space boyfriends over their children - every time. These women are so afraid of being alone that they will hook up with ANY male regardless of the consequences or potential danger to their children. They always have children because they are too stupid or too lazy, or both, to use birth control and are usually the ones who feel entitled to breed and do so with impunity. Oh wait, they also don't care because they're not supporting or educating them anyway, so what's one more. Do not call these women mothers. They do not deserve it nor did they earn that revered title.

Marie and Abby. Doesn't the article state that the grandmother was at work and the little girl was alone with her boyfriend.

What a bi-tch if she knew that this scumbag killed her own grandchild and didn't turn his butt in to the bobbies. Family should always come first.

The grandma was ugly and obese. I hate to stereotype, but she does not look like somewhere who has a job.

Well, since according to Marie, those who are adjudged to be either ugly, or obese, or both, don't work....then y'all won't continue having an issue over doling out a monthly stipend pittance so that y'all don't have to be offended by their ugly obesity in the workplace, right?

Marie, I don't see your pic on your avatar....put it up so we can all make judgments upon your ability to reign as a pretty oil painting, OK?

Do you weigh 75 lbs that you characterize this lady as *obese*? She may be a bit *overweight*, or it just may be aging making her neck look like it sags, or it could just be an extremely unflattering camera angle. Her arms aren't sagging or in rolls. Her legs don't appear to be the size of trees. She's not all dolled up for the cameras w/ full makeup & coiffure like she was from Hollywood. She's not flashing a smile for the paps, either; she's frowning. She's simply wearing a T-shirt that looks to be about 2 sizes too lg for her & it's tenting out b/c of her bosom, that's all. Looks like a normal middle-aged woman going thru menopause (when your hormones make you gain weight) to me.

Nicest manners cost nothing. I think it's quite rude to offer opinions on ppl's looks, esp when you're unwilling to allow ppl to do the same to yours.

Trashy, welfare-receiving, uneducated, incompetent, lazy women

Another one who can tell all from a single photo.

Abby, let's see your tax returns, paychecks, diplomas, certifications, deeluxe home, & a few pix of you zooming around it cleaning like a madwoman, so that we can tell the difference btwn her & you, OK?

Again, nicest manners cost nothing. And really, you're on the verge of adjective abuse there.

Marie and Abby. Doesn't the article state that the grandmother was at work and the little girl was alone with her boyfriend.

Ahhhh. Someone w/ a clue who can read & doesn't jump into comments just to give their special opinions on the pics. Refreshing. Well done, slightlyold.

I am guessing people are making judgements and nasty comments, but NOT READING the article. It said the grandmother was at work, that generally means a person is supporting themselves. As far as her being obese... sure, compared to the stick women of Hollywood. Since the average size of an average American woman is a 12-14, I'd say she fit right in HERE. Judging these people by their looks is truly ignorant.

It seems like poor reporting that the article was written without confirming if the body was the granddaughter. I am hoping the police will find out what happened and who is responsible and IF Grandma tried to hide the murder of her granddaughter I hope they lock her up for the rest of her life.

Thank you, Scar, for pointing out the assumptions based on a picture and little else. As noted above, nothing in the article says that the body that was found was the child. Nothing in the article states that the grandmother is trash. Nothing in the article states that they live in a trailer.

It appears that there is a whole bushelfull of people that live in their own surreal universe. It is just sad when they come out of it to play their imagined stories to the general public. They should use their assumptions to write fictional novels, instead of dissing people they don't know. Not to mention convicting them without a trial.

The only reason they feel they can do that, is that here they remain anonymous. It is so easy to judge people that you can picture as poor people, as trash. Actually the only real surprise is that no one so far has blamed this on President Obama. What's up with that???????????????

@DougLogan-stuntman, P.I.........exactly like that....good call

Once again you have a female had something to do with this regardless of her being a woman. Once again people do not think a woman is capable of doing this. Not only do I believe she did it, I believe she did it alone.

After reading the majority of negative comments on this thread ( before and to follow ), I've seen words like "white trash, trailer trash, obese, ugly, welfare receiving, incompetent, disgusting, pathetic, scumbag, waste of space, bitch", contrary references to young mothers........and on. There are presumptuous theories regarding this case, when the facts are not yet released. What comes to my mind considering, is unfounded supposition, malice, arrogance, hate, self-importance, stone throwing, hypocritical, high and "feeling" mighty azzholes. I'd say the ice is very thin.

"There are presumptuous theories regarding this case, when the facts are not yet released"

Seriously? You clearly didn't read the article, or check out the pictures - the pics of the 37 year old guy who looks more like late 40s and the granny were clearly that of what we in the US would call trailer trash. The boyfriend has a rather clear meth habit.

Maybe they live in Council Estates, but that doesn't make them not be lowlifes. Check out the pics again and really try to tell me that the boyfriend is not a meth head loser.

chouse, Ahhh Yeah, I read the article and the "facts" regarding what clearly occurred are not in yet. Additionally, I was referring to the many presumptuous theories ( regarding what actually happened, and character judgments based on the pics ) made by nasty commentors on this thread......did you not read my post? You stated, "The boyfriend has a rather clear meth habit". Well maybe, maybe not.....when all the specifics surrounding this case are discovered, I guess we'll see if your assumption, based on his pic, is correct.

"Well maybe, maybe not....."

I'd say at least 90% certainty - his face has all of the telltales of a "moderate" user.

chouse, And, I'd say you're trying to "bait" me.......LOL. I think I'll wait for the next article and see.

No not trying to bait you at all - paranoid much?

It's very clear that he's a user - just because you clearly don't know how to spot the telltale signs doesn't mean you can assert that he's a non user in such a rude way.

He's a 37 year old guy with the face of somebody in the late 40s - at best, as well as all of the other usual signs besides being super scabbed over - indicating that it's a "recreational habit" vs a "sold off everything I owned to score" type of user. It's rather clear he likes his meth though.

chouse, "paranoid much?" Not at all. I do not want to get "baited" into a dialogue where people and their "alleged" behaviours and lifestyles are speculated upon due to their appearances ( pics in this case ). Because, that's exactly what many other commentors were doing, and what I complained about. I'd rather go on facts. You state, "It's very clear that he's a user - just because you clearly don't know how to spot the telltale signs doesn't mean you can assert that he's a non user in such a rude way." Hey, I never asserted that he wasn't a user. I said, "Maybe, maybe not".....right? Furthermore, how do you know what I ( think I ) can deduce from looking at someone? For example, in the case of a "meth user", it would help to observe the body language, pupils, see if he had any signs of "meth mouth".....a full medical examination, lol. Are you saying he looks "fried" in that pic? In that case, there could be several other reasons for his condition. Again, I'd rather wait until the finer details are discovered and reported. Sit in the judge and/or jury box much......hope not. Also, I don't think I was rude, as I thought others were coming to various harsh conclusions based on a couple pics.

"Also, I don't think I was rude, as I thought others were coming to various harsh conclusions based on a couple pics."

Well you'd be mistaken, as it was very rude.

I wouldn't randomly bring out an assertion like that unless I was sure - as I am. The next time you've helped deal with meth heads going through rehab, you can feel free to try and tell me that he's not showing the signs - but he IS. Very clearly.

"For example, in the case of a "meth user", it would help to observe the body language, pupils, see if he had any signs of "meth mouth""

The signs on his face alone are more than enough to be rather certain once you've seen enough of them, as I have.

Clearly you are missing that experience - however that doesn't give you the prerogative to assume I'm talking out of my butt, as you so clearly are.

As to your whole "baiting" comments - that is paranoia, if you expect that nobody here knows what they're talking about.

chouse, Wow, relax Babe..... Are we cross? Does this mean we're not friends anymore? Because if I thought that, I simply don't think I could bear it.....LOL. Save that gas and wait for the updated article on this case. Hope you feel better soon.

"Are we cross?"

Huh? That was a clear, simple, non-emotional response.

You really need to stop pulling random assertions like that out of your butt. The simple fact is, you're trolling, and you know it.

The guy is clearly a user - but since you don't have the experience to spot the signs you think that gives you the right to act like a jerk; well, talk out your butt all you want, but I know what I see.

chouse, lol......you gave me the Heebie Jeebies on that one, too much man...lol. What is with you? Please, will you have some patience and wait until a follow-up article? Take it easy, and I mean that sincerely. Phew......

What floors me is the photo. She's wearing a shirt with her dead granddaughters face on it and looking for all the world like she couldn't care less. Her entire demeanor is so casual. Like she's going to the store to pick up more cigs.

Oh Ballocks......another Humdinger. So funny I forgot to laugh. Ummm......LOL.

CaerRaven, You write, "What floors me is the photo. She's wearing a shirt with her dead granddaughters face on it and looking for all the world like she couldn't care less. Her entire demeanor is so casual. Like she's going to the store to pick up more cigs." Ok.......then nearly 9 hours later you comment on an article ("Body of second boy in Yosemite tragedy found", post #4) where 2 boys drowned after being allowed to walk near, let alone set foot in the treacherous waters near the Vernal Falls in Yosemite National Park. A place with warning signs and where several other people have drowned in past years. You write: "It's tragic enough without people snarking about people they've never met." Hmmm.......? ? ?

Child murder happens more than once, every single day. It happens because there are monsters among us posing as people. It happens everywhere on the planet. The reasons are varied, but all boil down to one thing...some creep wanted something a child wouldn't give them. Sex. Silence. More money. A sense of pride. Obedience. Name your poison, and you'll find a person willing to kill to get it.

Do you need a reality check ? read the news....children are murdered every day by parents, strangers and deviant people. It is right there in our faces....

Kids are murdered everyday by deviant scumbags who cozy up to weak needy women, that would take any loser before going it alone. Unfortunatly the kid pays with their life because scumbag molester thinks he can keep her from talking, while outsmating the cops. Rarely works though.

Grandparents can be jealous of their grandchildren, and kill them. Same thing with stepparents.

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I'm betting there was no "marries and has..." for either the mother or the grandmother. Just the "had a child at....." - and I'd put my money on younger than 17 for at least one of them.

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I'm betting there was no "marries and has..." for either the mother or the grandmother. Just the "had a child at....." - and I'd put my money on younger than 17 for at least one of them.

I don't get it.

Y'all criticize girls for becoming unwed &/or teen moms, yet y'all insist there should be no birth control or abortions.

I'd think instead of doing Math & slyly pt'ing fingers at the result, y'all would be thrilled this lady & her child chose to bring new lives into the world, no matter what their ages at the time of conception, & didn't choose to have abortions instead.

Can't have it both ways.

alumette, thank you. Folks in the country always are quick to go after the usual suspects (not saying that they don't kill again) but why is it that you always find that the majority of children are killed by family or friends of family in the US?

You sound like you have it together Tara but you are typically not the norm. I say this with respect, I once knew a Tara and she was a hottie, maybe that is why they young grandma's come about and have beautiful kids later. Who knows but good for you.

Thank you for those kind words.

My family stopped doing that a couple hundred years ago.But good for you to persevere

I agree 100% Tara, money no age does not make the person or people good. I've seen plenty of terrible parents who could buy and sell our entire town, while some of the best parents I know live from paycheck to paycheck. Love, honor, respect, and caring are what make good parents, not money or age.

They had to bring in cadaver dogs to find the body. I'm looking for more information because this just makes me sick. Most of us trust our parents with our children, to even think that a grandmother would cover the death of a child for a boyfriend or participate in any way is sickening.

Not all whites are trash. Look at the cities where there are very few whites. Even the so called minorities that are rich, won't live near their own kind.

Grandparents covering up anything about grandchildren being killed, Caylee Anthony ring any bells?

They don't execute people in the UK. Obviously if he did this he should be executed but as with most things that should happen, forced sterilization of people who won't work to support their children, castration of child molesters, execution rarely happens when it should.

He evidently raped the girl and she probably said she would tell her grandma....a twelve year old is too vulnerable to run away from danger and go to the police. Evidently that one was. I doubt he killed her just for the fun. I think she was going to spoil his cover....a true criminal who could never be rehabilitated. Shame on all these low lives !

We don't know if the grandmother was supposed to be home and got called into work or a similar circumstance happened. All we know right now is that the boyfriend definitely had something to do with the girl's death, maybe the neighbor and grandma definitely had to help cover it up unless he had that baby hidden before she got home.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what's gonna happen if a 12 year old girl is with a 37 year old dude, at night, alone, while grandma is out working.

It wasn't *at night*. It's summertime & it doesn't get dark in England till around 7pm or so. And unlike in the US, the UK doesn't have giant malls open till midnight or a lot of 24 hr stores etc. They have what they call *the High Street* where most of the shopping is located, & that would be where Tia supposedly went to buy her new flip-flops. In the daytime. I don't see what *night* has to do w/ the opportunity for someone to commit a crime?

As for the rocketry science....why on Earth would anyone think their SO was capable of murder? Most ppl don't think that way or no one would ever get together. It's not a crime to have a trusting relationship w/ someone, even if it turns out that trust was misplaced & betrayed in a heinous fashion.

The stereotype of the creepy guy in the car offering candy to kids is actually the exception, not the rule, when it comes to child molestation (which is what everyone is jumping to conclude this case is about; could be something like he backhanded the kid for sassing him & accidentally broke her neck & panicked, yknow). That's why abduction cases like Adam Walsh, Polly Klaas, & Jaycee Duggard made headlines. Stranger abduction is rare.

Your child is more likely to be molested by a trusted family member, friend, or authority figure (like a day care worker or a coach, for example) than some random guy on the street.

But that statistic would mean never trusting anyone b/c they're all potential molestors. So, no, not rocket science at all. It's human nature to trust rather than be suspicious of everyone.

When you think about it he could have easily had a child the same age after all he would have been 25 when this little girl was born. She should have been able to trust him but this again proves that you can't trust anyone ever to be in charge of your most precious asset.

I would agree that execution would be the best plan but since the UK does not have the death penalty I guess we are out of luck on that one.

The grandmother clearly knew what took place and then decided that he meant more to her then her old blood. What a sick world we live in. If I ever even suspected that was happening to my granddaughter I would have no qualms at all about executing my own brand of justice. I would give my life any day for the safety of my children and grandchildren No judge or jury and no prison would be needed for anyone who hurt my family.

Just so I make it clear most people would call me a liberal but I fully believe in the death penalty especially in the case of crimes that involve children. You cannot fix a child molester so no need to waste the money trying and anyone who helps to hide such a crime should be lined up right there next to the perpetrator cause they are just as guilty.

Hey Scar- you are starting to scare me with all your deviant knowledge. What town do you live in?

I can tell you exactly where Scar got his/her information, it's called education. In fact it's called Criminal Justice and Criminal Procedural and Psychology, nothing scary about being educated, it's far more scary to think that there are people who refuse to be educated. Libraries are free, information on the internet is free for the most part, you can educate yourself, it just takes work.

Sorry, but I cannot even imagine "trusting" my child with just anyone, especially a "boyfriend". Read up on just how many pervs hurt their girlfriend's children. This jerkwad creep probably raped and killed that child. Too bad there's no capital punishment in the UK. There should be, pervs/pedophiles run worldwide.

I'm with Becky. There's no way in h*ll I would have ever trusted my child to be left alone with grandma's "boyfriend", no matter how long the guy had been around or what a "good guy" I thought he was. I have a child the same age as this poor girl and we have always been very selective over who our child is left with. It's a very short list.

Grandma should go to jail for being a facilitator to the death of her grandchild. She should have known her lover was a criminal, not to be trusted with young girls. Her stupidity lead to the crime.

I have a 2 year old granddaughter and a boyfriend i have been with for 13 years.She is NEVER left alone with him not even the 10 -15 minutes it takes me to take a shower.

Yes, but like the United States. UK inmates have about as much tolerance for child rapists and murderers as Americans. They are seen as pond scum the world around, so in prison he will get his just desserts. Don't let the accents fool you. The UK has some pretty hardened criminals and they will deal with this man just fine.

I have a 2 year old granddaughter and a boyfriend i have been with for 13 years.She is NEVER left alone with him not even the 10 -15 minutes it takes me to take a shower.

Do you have reason to believe that your BF would molest your granddaughter, given the opportunity of your shower? If so, why would you want him around, period?

@bethie37066 I applaud your vigilance because the safety of our children and grandchildren should always come first. @scar_tissue To quote you "It's naive to think" that you should trust any Tom, Dick or Mary with your children. You can't protect them from everything but you can certainly protect them from a lot of things.

You seem to be saying that anyone you are dating should be trusted alone with your children but the minute a parent or grandparent lets their guard down and something happens to that child because of a fleeting moment of trust then everyone judges you for allowing someone near your child. So basically your damned if you do and damned if you don't. I will stick to the safest route and continue to keep protecting my grand-baby as best as I can from the evil in the world.

Becky, so at what point DO you trust your significant other with your child? never? I see what you're saying but it's not realistic at all. How do you know how long grandma and her boyfriend had been together? She SHOULD have been able to trust him. If it's a brand new relationship then I understand the caution in not leaving your child/grandchild with a new partner. But what if they've been together for years? are you telling me you would not leave your child/grandchild alone with a boyfriend you'd had for 2-3 years?

no @ scar tissue i dont have reason to believe he would.but im not willing to put him before her.

@Tara,thank you ..

I have a 2 year old granddaughter and a boyfriend i have been with for 13 years.She is NEVER left alone with him not even the 10 -15 minutes it takes me to take a shower.

If you don't trust him, then why are you with him?

Grandma should have had an idea. Why being so lame and in denial ?

most crime on children seems to be carried out by a step-parent, boy/girlfriends or even in this case grandma's boyfriend.

Seriously?

Try talking to all the kids who were molested by their own fathers/grandfathers/uncles.

Or babies shaken into brain damage or death by frustrated parents.

Or the kids who were *groomed* & taken advantage of by coaches (Sandusky ring a bell?), day care workers, doctors, Daddy's best friend since Kdg, etc.

Tchrs seducing students.

Parents blowing their kids' heads off & committing suicide seems to be going around a lot lately.

It's naive to think the only ppl that can't be trusted around children b/c they will commit a crime are step-parents or BFs. For all you know, your daughter's (hypothetical) husband could be quietly molesting your (hypothetical) grandchild right this minute. The *ans* isn't to stay away from men, b/c women have molested children as well. Doesn't matter what the relationship to the child is....pedophiles take what they want regardless of blood ties.

I did not say it was only men. I clearly stated step-parent, boy/girlfriends. I also know that other people commit the same types of crimes but we see these cases time after time where a new boy/girlfriend or new-step-parent beats, molests or murders the child in a fit of rage. Do other people such as strangers, blood relatives, teachers, neighbors or even coaches commit crimes against children? Of course they do. But that is no reason to not be vigilant with marching strangers in and out of your children's lives. Why take the chance on losing the most precious thing you could ever have for some person you will most likely not spend the rest of your life with.

Single parents need to be extra vigilant and that is all I am pointing out. But instead they tend to hide the fact that there is some sort of abuse going on just like this Grandmother did. If she had kept the child away from the boyfriend this would have never happened but instead she not only left them alone together she (as we now see) clearly helped cover up the crime.

There is enough evil in the world already without opening your door to allow it in willingly.

She's just probably jonesing for her next smoke break. Eew, granny of 12 yo at age 46. Class act, not.

Wow! I never knew there were so many things that made you a bad person. If you are obese, you are disgusting? If you smoke - well to the trash can with you. If you have a younger boyfriend - good Lord where are your morals? If you are poor - you have no reason for living?

The article states that Tia often went to her grandmother's house - is there any possibility that the grandmother was already at work when Tia showed up? I understand that all of you have such perfect lives that you could never make a mistake, but it may shock you to learn that not the whole world lives by your pristine behaviour. Thank God, that He turned His judgement over to all of you. Now He can just sleep for the next 20 years knowing that you have all the answers.

I remember a time when people were considered innocent until they were proven guilty. What ever happened to that??? Whatever happened to the people that didn't know the whole story until all the facts were clear??? Whatever happened to make Joe or Mary Shmoe such brilliant judges that they can convict on the basis of a picture of a woman with a cigarette in her hand? How sad that people can only make themselves feel better by dissing other less fortunate.

That was a brilliant comment. What is your idea of what a grandmother should look like? Especially one that just lost her grandchild?

An obese, cigarette in hand woman who lives with a younger guy who has a criminal record....that's who. That is NOT what any woman should look like, especially a grandmother. Get it ? evidently not. It is called profiling....what we see is often the truth, right in our faces. Let's not confuse prejudice with profiling. One is an emotional opinion, the other is a scientific fact.

She doesn't look like any Grandmothers that I would know.

Just what is a grandmother supposed to look like? They come in all different sizes, colors and looks. Don't judge a person by their looks unless you look like a Marilyn Monroe and think that everyone should look like that.

That said, I do believe the boyfriend, neighbor and grandmother all had a part in the girls death. Most likely the boyfriend killed the girl and the grandmother and a "good" neighbor helped hide her body. I hope thery all rot in Hell.

Now grandma is a suspect. What a surprise!

But I'll definitely be careful about judging someone based on their uncaring looks.

Alumette:

I thought I read that whole article and no where did I see that the boyfriend had a criminal record. Where did I miss that or are you privy to information not in the article?

I guess I should go out and commit suicide. I'm a 74 year old, obese person that still smokes cigarettes, not attractive, and have not only grandchildren (over the age of 30) but great-grandchildren (over the age of 10). Does that make me disreputable? Does that mean I am capable of killing my family members or covering up their murder? Apparently the only saving grace for me is that I don't live with a boyfriend younger than me. However, I do work at a food shelf with the kind of people you are calling "trash". People who are good and love their children, people who are fine grandparents, people who were working and supporting themselves until the financial collapse, people who aren't pretty on the outside but beautiful inside, caring people who smoke and are "obese" like me. I resent being judged by my looks, my smoking, my weight or my age. I defy any of you to judge me on the basis of your assumptions.

Believe it or not, I am loved by not only my family but as well by my co-workers, my superiors, and my friends and I love them in return. I don't harm animals or people if I can help it, I don't use drugs and I am not trash.

I find your attitudes much uglier than any kind of poor person, obese person, smoking person or grandmother at 46.

Thanks for posting that gramapoetmn. I'm betting you're a joy to know. The generalizations in these comments are making my head spin. I didn't realize Americans were as stupid and prejudiced as they're showing themselves to be in these comments.

In a series of BBC articles about this crime it said the police actually searched the house 4 different times and brought in dogs before finding the body. There could be a number of reasons the body wasn't found sooner and wasn't identifiable when is was found. It could have been placed in an area that was inaccessible for viewing -- like the small female student at Yale who was killed and placed between the studs of a wall behind a vent. The body could have been dismembered and hidden in various places (possibly even a freezer), making it difficult to find and difficult to identify visually. Even if it was not dismembered, after 3 or 4 days, it's going to be very difficult to identify a body visually, even in an air conditioned environment. It will be significantly bloated, distorting the features, and significantly discolored. Although the police probably assume it's the missing child, they're not going to say that publicly until they have DNA confirmation.

Regarding the appearance of the accused, they really don't look any different from millions of blue-collar people who HAVEN'T committed any crimes. I also don't think you can automatically assume a sexual crime was involved, although it remains a possibility.

One of the people stated that she would never allow a boyfriend to be alone with her child. In this day and age, if you want to make sure your children are safe you have to have a very high index of suspicion of everyone your child comes into contact with. Children whose parents allow them to wander and go places alone or to be around other adults without being present themselves are far more likely to be victims of abuse simply because people who seek to harm children are often just looking for the opportunity to find a child alone. By leaving your child unguarded, you provide the opportunity. The list of people you're willing to leave your child with should be a short list of closely scrutinized people.

I don't know what she does, but as a woman who worked nights for twelve years, let me offer just a few suggestions; nurse, nursing aide, many, MANY types of hospital and health care worker, waitress, taxi driver, prison matron, telephone service operator, convienience store clerk, cleaning woman, postal worker - which is what I was. (Those peices of paper didn't sort themselves, someone had to stay up all night to do it!) Why did your mind first go to prostitute? Perhaps I'm still stinging from the nasty comments hurled at me for years, but yes, I do believe you are being not a smart a$$, but rather a dumb one.

I rarely post but come on dan the man, you have to be kidding me with your post. For the love of all that is good.. Look at the next person that serves you a coffee could be the next killer ya know.Geezze

This has nothing to do with the Grandmother's age. The fact that a mother of this child has not been mentioned lets me know that there is probably a long history of drugs, alcohol an abuse in this family. Apparently, the daughter of this woman had this child very young and possibly is suffering from issues herself. But, there are plenty of 46 year old grandmothers who have raised their children well and whose families are well in tact.

Given your assessment the death would have been more tolerable had the grandmother been 70. That's ridiculous. These people were obviously morally deficient and their ages have no role in that matter.

The fact that a mother of this child has not been mentioned lets me know that there is probably a long history of drugs, alcohol an abuse in this family.

Or the mother could be, perhaps, dead? Why the stunning leap to out partying?

What in heaven's name does this have to do with a child murdered in England????

Keep to the topic, and get a life.

Very good point. Which further implicates the grandmother's role in this. I think this child was being sexually molested by these people.

For one thing...it smells....hard to ignore.

There is, it's next to Bumfuk, Egypt.

Twist-a-shat Europe...some call it...

When a woman decides to have children they should be her top priority not her love life. If they don't care about what happens to their children and do all they can to keep them safe they deserve no sympathy.