Those people are nuts!!! And we're fighting for their freedom. Get our troops home and let them kill themselfs.

very sad situation.... when you get these extremists in a poor country where everyone struggles and they get a religous fever rolling to blame everyone else for their lot in life... before you know it nobody is safe

These raghead muslims need to be exterminated

Ok Hitler. Christ, how does that make you any better than those that you are condemning?!

Extremist religion, in all forms, is a blight.

Hate is hate, regardless of religion. Statements like this just prove hate is alive and well in the US as it is elsewhere.

the US is fighting to reduce terrorism OR to pad the pockets of halliburton and other defense company shareholders on the backs of us taxpayers. are you a child to think any country cares about any other country? the us donates to haiti (pure hell hole) and other places like africa (hell on earth) so the blacks there don't spill the violence over to the US. people are all self serving. don't kid yourself.

To D.P.L.

Love the name...says alot about your inner self....good luck, dude.

This is insane. So how come they are not persecuting the guy who threw away the Quaran pages into the dump? How come he gets a free pass?

Mary Jones-1616541

Education is key, but keep up with the news at least.

nosferatu-499026

The nazi mentallity is still alive and well I see.

Tinycowlady; Call it what you will, islam is a the most intolerent government/religion on the earth. We should demand that islam be banned in America, you cannot compare Christianity with this insane religion. All people who come to America I thought was to get away from this type of tyranny. Those who have come here and insist on continueing to practice this evil religion needs to be packed up and returned to where they came from. Christianity does not nor ever has demanded forced exceptance like islam does. Sure there has been times when it has had its share of insane fanatics, but the Holy Bible in the New Testament plainly states that you choose Christianity. Islam is a insane religion in that it plainly states that if you do not except islam and become a muslim then you are an infidel and you are nothing to them, your life means nothing to them, for that matter their life's mean nothing to them, they murder their own people at will. They are allowed to enslave you and to treat you as they will. You should not believe these people when they say they are here to live in peace, you need to read between the lines, yes they want to live in peace as long as you become one of them. Every country where they have migrated to they have taken over the cities and reverted to islam, they stack the local governments with islamic people and change the laws to fit their insane religion, they refuse to obey the Laws of the Government they swore alliegence to when they were accepted into that country. All islamic/muslims are liars, they are allowed to be if it advances islam. We must somehow get them out of America, I do not nor will I ever want these people to be physically harmed in any way, but they must be sent back to where they came from. There are now islam/muslim in our federal government and their intent is to change America in a islamic country. They are lying when they say other wise. America's freedom cannot co-exist with islam, no way, it will not work.

"but the Holy Bible in the New Testament plainly states that you choose Christianity."

So what's the difference from islam, when if you don't choose christianity you will go to hell. Yeah, false freedom of choice don't you think? Both religion sucks, especially when they're both one in the same, just different prophets.

culheath Insightful post! ...

And yet I believe that our politicians pander to and are manipulated greatly by sectarian religious zealots .... to great harm of our nation ...

When we, in the Western World, come to the realization that many Muslim nation are today in the same religious state that we were during the Middle Ages, when we showed the same ignorance and intolerance toword people of other religions, then, maybe we can show some understanding, and through that, help the ignorant and intolerant understand that they are wrong with their attitudes. It will be a long and painful process, but the evolution of any religion from basic primitiveness to one of understanding of its origin and role, and tolerance, is a long drawn-out process, which will eventually come about. Patience, and Pressure will have to help the process along.

Pakistan is full of ignorant savages animals.

Why, those extremist Muslims have great regard for Down syndrom children...since they use them as suicide bombers.

These people are behaving like crazed animals out for blood. They behave in this manner wherever they seem to be located, including those in England that killed their daughter and were recently found guilty in a court of law.

They rampaged after a young mentally diminished girl because she was trying to eat. They are beyond redemption. They don't seem to see their own insanity.

And they expect the rest of the world to believe that islam is a "religion of peace". It would seem their definition of peace is far different from mine.

How is this different from right wing politicians demanding jail time for a person who burns a red, white and blue piece of cloth. In this country we have our own problems dealing with our radical right wing religious zealots who want to codify their religious laws into our secular laws. The republikan taliban never fail to introduce one law after another making it illegal to burn an American flag. Give them an inch and they'll want the death penalty for the act.

I always enjoy reading the comments from the retards that take a story like this and then find a way to bash Republicans or Democrats, and of course they find a way to bash Christianity. Your arguments are pointless and completely off target. The only reason anyone is reading what you have to say is because it makes everyone around you look a little bit smarter whenever you speak. When you can learn to make a "big boy argument", come out of the sandbox

Kayner

Delusion much? Do you wear big boy panties too?

What a bunch of hate filled f*ckheads! And they are an American ally?!?

Well, chalk up another one for the religion of peace, love, and tolerance! Of all the moronic stupidity, to arrest a young woman with Down Syndrome and try to hold her accountable for her actions. Only in a backward and barbaric society would you see something like this!

Those flea bitten Mohammedan zombies need to settle down. They have no concept of human biology, disabilities or logic look how they shunned Pakistan's only Nobel laureate, Physicist Abdus Salam, whose name has been removed from school books. All they know is Islam, Islam, Islam. They will not be happy until everything is Islamic. Islamic Earth, Islamic water, Islamic sky, Islamic air.

The peaceful Muslims are blasphemous and not being true to their religion. The true Muslims are hitting themselves on the head with machetes until blood runs down their face, some even do it to their male children and babies. The Sunnis and the Shiites are massacring each other all over the Middle East. Muslims and Arabs have murdered each other in the millions, this is true Islam. It is a religion of blood, revenge and family slaughter. Without Western laws they would be doing the same thing across Europe and America.

Punisher - I see you took offense to the retard comment. Oops, never mind I just read some of your posts and now I see why you are offended. As far as the your question, just go ask your mother, she can answer that for you

Kayner

I did, and she said you pissed in your panties a lot. She had to use cotex with you. Hahahahah....you thought I took offense to your post. Not likely, but hey if that makes you feel better about being born that way. You can play in the sandbox all you want.

You are assuming you are dealing with people. You are dealing with barbaric savages.

It is Pakistan-----can we expect any better??? Maybe with the tens of billions of dollars we Americans are shipping over there every year, Pakistan should be able to enter the 12th century with ease. ( My guess is that most of the American "aid" money ended up in Swiss bank accounts of the higher ups).

With the lack of value placed on girls in that country I am surprised she has survived as long as she has , her mother must actually care about her which from what I've seen so far is not common there . Pretty sad they want to punish her over some hand written crap on a piece of paper , I sure wish we could get our people out of that pit over there .

Another piece of complete idiocy and insanity. All those Islamic males who harm or subjugate women will find themselves in a hell of their own creation. Mankind is on the verge of facing extinction and the primitive behaviors like this, greed, the hunger for power and money and intolerance must be removed and quickly. It is beyond me how something so precious as life and the extraordinary love of God can be mangled so horribly and stuffed into the sickness of religion.

Just when I thought Islamic nations could not possibly get anymore ridiculous. By the way, one cannot be called racist for being anti-muslim or anti-Islam...it is not a race of people.

I don't understand the ways of allha or gawd...but ya'll keep pray'n...and pay'n the preacher...by the way i have a rag on my head filled with ice got a head ache...where's your rag at...

>>So what's the difference from Islam, when if you don't choose Christianity you will go to hell.<<

The difference is. . . . the islamists will kill you. They will be-head you\poison your daughters\throw acid on you\blow up busloads of you\etc, etc, etc- if you don't convert.

The extremist Christians, on the other hand, will try and persuade you with punishment -after death- with eternal hell - if you don't convert.

BIG difference in my book.

Many miss the whole of Christian teaching. It is the story of the Creator Who became one of us (Jesus) - left His Glory to do so, then DIED for us to make us right with His Father, the Creator, or God as we know Him. Plain and simple message. A God of love and mercy for the ones who simply accept Him as Lord and Savior. So many igonorant posts about Christians demanding that people repent or they will burn, as if the Christians are the fanatics. All we Christians are trying to do is to share the message of hope, of Eternal life with God based upon HIS mandate that we simply believe on HIM. Problem that so many of you do not understand is this: ALL "religions"are man made, EXCEPT CHRISTIANITY. When the human has to do all the work to please and satisfy God. HE made it plain, only death of HIS SON is way into HIS Glory and forgiveness. SEE, OUR pride says "I'm good enough, I can earn my way." Nope, sorry. Read it in HIS Word. We Christians want you to have same glory, peace, eternal life, and relationship we have with our Father. And we are suppose to speak love and understanding with humility. IF the Christian you know doesn't walk that way, get away from him/her.

Dwight...you "saved by grace only" people crack me up. So in your world I can be Hitler and as long as I say sorry and accept Christ then I have a first class ticket to heaven...ridiculous!!!!!

I have no problems with the Muslims, or the religion known as Islam. What I do have a problem with is a people who not only allow things like this to go on, but actually encourage it. Of course, how you practice Islam depends a lot on what parts of the Koran you are taught to believe and follow, and what parts you are taught are of no consequence. If you go by the earlier writings, you are a fairly peaceful individual, while if you live by the later parts, you are filled with hate and vengeance.

I see that statement posted just about daily on these threads. Consider a different approach. Why not assume "respect" for all until you have reason to decide elsewise? (It is known as civility.)

Might make life a lot easier for all concerned.

Why does Islam deserve respect? In every other human endeavor, respect must be earned.

Must be why the US is disrespected around the world by so many.

Do you think Christians should be judged by the likes of Fred Phelps or Qur'an burner Terry Jones?

The stuff you see in the media about Muslims is not the norm...just like Phelps and Jones...they are extremists. Extremism flourishes where there is no secular government to hold it back. Extremism requires two things, 1) fanatical belief in something and 2) no fear of punishment for acting on those beliefs. many Christians have the first going on...the second is what stops them from appearing i the news very often..

I see that statement posted just about daily on these threads. Consider a different approach. Why not assume "respect" for all until you have reason to decide elsewise? (It is known as civility.)

Why do they "assume" someone is disrespecting them based on such flimsy evidence as "she burnt some pages?" Why should I respect THAT??? I agree with the first poster, respect must be EARNED!

Culheath - From the article:

"The January 2011, Punjab provincial governor Salman Taseer was murdered in broad daylight by one of his police guards. The guard, Mumtaz Qadri, was subsequently showered with flowers, thousands demonstrated in his defense and even mainstream politicians didn't loudly condemn the killing."

This sure sounds to me like, at least in Pakistan, extremism is the norm. Why does the average everyday citizen in Pakistan think this man deserved to die?

"...because of his criticism of Pakistani laws that mandate the death sentence for insulting Islam."

He wasn't even criticizing Islam, he was only criticizing this law, the same law that now condemns an 11 year old down syndrome Christian girl for burning trash to cook her dinner. For his criticism of an unjust law, the people celebrate his murder in broad daylight.

How do you justify your silly claim that these things are isolated events? It seems obvious to anyone and everyone except a few people like you who desperately want it to be otherwise, that these things are not isolated at all. They are the intentional policies of these governments, and the citizens will kill you if you try to change the policies, and throw a party for whoever did the murder, and no one will say anything bad about the guy who kills you.

I wish it was true that this is isolated and not what they really want. But wishing it was true doesn't change the facts and the facts are unassailable. If this is not what they really want then they should speak out and punish the murderers in their midst and shame the people who celebrate. But they never do that. They either celebrate, or sit in silence. You are dreaming if you think that isn't what they want.

Also more silliness - this thing folks like you always do whenever an article like this comes out - you start making these ridiculous claims that Christians are just like Muslims. Please give us all a break. When Christians are murdering people and the country is celebrating in the streets and no one is arrested for it, then go to that articla and talk about the Christians.

In the mean time, this stuff is really happening in islamic countries every day. That's reality, not fantasy or imagined scenarios.

people should--countries should be tolerant of another persons religion. its not right to insult or kill a person because of their religious beliefs. maybe this sounds ridiculous but why cant people live in peace and stop trying to kill each other either because they have the political power to do so or just plain greedy and mean. these heinous acts have never solved anything. even if someones life is taken it never solves the problem.

John Aalborg

Muslims insult themselves.

I couldn't care less about muslims, but dude, reading is fundamental, try reading the article since you can obviously post ignorance.

T Bourlon

I agree with the first poster, respect must be EARNED!

That really is an irrelevant statement. You can scream it all you want, but if I don't give a rats arse about your respect, why would I even care to earn it.

"you start making these ridiculous claims that Christians are just like Muslims"

A better way of saying it would be Christians were like these extremist Muslims - ever hear of the Spanish Inqiusition or the Crusades? Of course not - no one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition! Their state of mind is barely out of the stone age yet they have ak47s, cell phones and WMDS. You don't think the Christians of the middle ages would not have used all the tools and weapons availible to them at the time to further their dispicable agendas. Education and rights for the women in the Islamist states is the only thing that will make a difference in change.

bigteks1

Incidents such as those being reported in this article occur all too frequently it is true and where there are governments that are not secular and instead are intimately tied into the major religions of a country, the incidents are more likely because there is no punishment for the barbaric acts religious fanaticism produces.

Never the less, what I was trying to say is that is that these incidences are still not as frequent as our media would lead us to believe. Our media doesn't report on the millions upon millions of usual day to day peaceful interactions of Pakistani people, only the violent incidences that attract our attention.

And since we have no day to day comparisons we only see what's reported in the news and draw our picture of Muslim and Pakistani behavior from those reports. Then, in our ignorance of Muslims, we project that same picture onto ALL Muslims and Pakistanis, even those living in the US who have never lived anywhere else and are really just the same sort of Americans as you or me and who are just as horrified at such news of fanaticism and violence.

It's not the Muslim religion or Pakistanis or any other world religion or group that is at fault, it is fanatics and our own unfamiliarity with other cultures that causes us to become and afraid and bigoted and to make knee jerk comments based on knee jerk emotions in turn based on our own ignorance fueled by sensational news reports that is at fault.

The key is education and acquired tolerance. The best place to start is right here at home. When we as a people have acquired those two essential things and example them in a consistent way around the world, we will earn that respect another poster mentioned earlier.

"It's not the Muslim religion or Pakistanis or any other world religion or group that is at fault."

culheath, you seem to be in denial regarding the teachings of Islam. In fact, the Muslim religion is clearly at fault. 95 percent of all current world conflict is related to Islam. The religion has always been spread by fear of death and still is today. You seem to be trying to somehow excuse the religion because the brutality it teaches is not practiced by the majority of its followers.

"it is fanatics and our own unfamiliarity with other cultures that causes us to become and afraid". In fact, it is you that appears to be afraid. Afraid of assigning responsibility to a barbaric culture or religion that promotes the killing of non believers.

The fact that only a minority is involved in the killing and brutality does not excuse anything. It cannot be excused by the fact that there are also Christian extremists. It cannot be excused because we don't understand it. It cannot be excused for any reason.

DonBo

It is obvious to me that you know very little to nothing about Islam because if you did you would know that what the terrorists and other radicals of Islam are doing is a perversion of the religion and they are, like you, twist interpretations of Islam to suit their politics.

You are trying to cast Islam in a manner that would be like casting Christianity as a religion of Leviticus, where people are stoned to death for parental disobedience or wearing two types of cloth at the same time or adultery because that Biblical book is part and parcel of their faith.

I'm not in denial of anything except I am denying the bigotry surrounding Islam by western observers who take every opportunity to smear Islam as a religion of terrorists. It is a false rationale and any defect of human morality one might find in Islam can be also be found in historical Christian texts and behaviors.

Personally, I dismiss all religions as "magical thinking" and consider them all to be an impediment to human progress when taken literally. They are instructive as historical literary works about the pinnacle of various cultural thinking prior to the scientific method of reasoning.

They are also instructive exactly in the same manner as Shakespeare's plays about the human condition, but I would loathe the idea that someone would want to know if King Lear was a real person or not. It not only completely misses the point but degrades the work in question just as Bible or Qur'an literalists degrade their religion and its texts in exactly the same way.

It is from these attempts to take the texts and lessons literally that zealots and terrorists arise.

Not from the religion itself or a majority of it's adherents. We might as well blame Middle East terrorism on the Arabic language or the architecture of mosques or the concept of Al Gebra.

Lay blame for the terrorism and the violence at the feet of zealots where it belongs, not on their particular religious stripe or the culture from which they arose.

I still maintain that you are in denial. You are obviously an educated person. I think your "Ivory Tower" perspective may be causing you to "over think" the issue or perhaps you are engaged in an attempt to be politically correct.

The pertinent fact that you fail to accept is this: The religion was spread at the edge of a sword and still is today. Death and cruelty follow its path wherever it goes.

Even the English version of the Koran which is heavily edited to remove calls for violence against non believers is very clear in its instruction on how Muslims should deal with Infidels. In the case of Islamic governments, this is often codified in law. As an example, Afghanistan law requires the killing of those that change from Islam to another religion.

You can argue that it is the fault of zealots mis-interpreting the meaning of the text, (although I would disagree on that point also.) but the end result is that the teaching of the religion leads to violence and intolerance toward those that do not accept the religion. When reading your comments, you seem to be dismissive of this truth.

The religion was spread at the edge of a sword and still is today. Death and cruelty follow its path wherever it goes.

A perfect description for Christianity should one want to portray it that way; especially if one happened to be one of the victims of Christianity's history of "spreading" (whether that be in the old world during the crusades for example or in the new world as a member of the Aztec or Inca peoples being brought to the realization that their own gods were sinful and Jesus was their True Savior).

I say again, I am not denying anything nor am I living in an ivory tower. I know the injunctions in Qur'an to defeat all enemies of Islam and can quote back similar passages attributed God in the Bible to dash children of enemies of Jehovah against the rocks. But that sort of tit for tat of Holy brutalities is irrelevant to the overall arc of how each religion is interpreted by the vast majority of its adherents today.

The violence portrayed by Muslims that catches our eye when villagers or populations subject to religious dictatorships act out in ways that we consider barbaric and they consider acting according to Sharia law, what we are witnessing is the cultural effects of tribalism. The religious source is secondary.

Let's move our view to India for a moment where there are countless acts of brutality against women many of whom are burned to death to satiate some tribal code of honor (Sati) which has no bearing on Islam or in fact on any religion, but rather purely on tribal custom.

It is not religiously based (modernly, it based on lack off bridal dowry) and yet the brutality of it is as firmly held as "necessary and good" as though it were based on religious edicts by the tribes people. This habit of burning brides still goes on in both India and Pakistan in the hundreds annually although, at least India, it has been banned by the government since 1829. The persistence of tribal customs is a hard nut to crack even when those customs are imported via immigrants to Western countries who treat it correctly (according to out customs) as homicide.

What I am trying to convey here is that a great deal of the violence we automatically attribute to Islam is frequently more a matter of tribal custom rationalized by interpretations of the Qur'an just as slavery or many other western barbarities have been rationalized by interpretations of the Bible.

In terms of terrorists, that is political violence perpetrated by zealots who rationalize their actions by specific intrepretations of the Qur'an or Bible.

So to speak of Islam as a religion of domination and violence is as wrong as to speak of Christianity in the same voice. Both religions produce zealots that would wish it were so, but they are fortunately a tiny minority against the vast followers of each religion.

Remember that villagers and urban dwellers alike in the areas from which we see terrorists arise are themselves victims of the terrorist's zealotry...just as many well meaning Germans were victims to Nazi rule. It is vital to distinguish between the rule of zealots and the religious interpretation by which they rationalize their brutalities.

>>So to speak of Islam as a religion of domination and violence<<

1) Ask mohammeds second wife about cruelty. She was six when he started having masturbatory sessions with her. Think I'm kidding?? Read the quran and the sura's and hatith. It's all there. Really. She even talks about having to clean up his "mess" afterwards. Really. This was a very sick man who started islam.

2) Christianity did do barbarous things, hundreds of years ago, almost 900 to be exact. Christians learned not to do these things. Islam hasn't learned to avoid violence yet, they are still doing the dirty deeds. Especially to women.

3) While other major religions of the world may have, on occasion, committed horrible crimes in violation of their central tenets, Islam commits horrible crimes precisely because they are central tenets!

Big, big difference between the two, unless you are to PC to admit it.

Really??? Perhaps you would like to cite the actual sources? I cannot recall having ever read anything like this in the Qur'an.

By the way, there is no Qur'an and sura's and hatith. There is, however, the Qur'an containing 114 Surat and there is Hadith and Ahadith (plural of Hadith).

As to the Ahadith, I only know of the passages where Aishah would clean semen spots she saw in Muhammad's clothing, and that he would go to prayer with the cleaned spots still wet from the cleaning. What! Should a wife not clean her husband's clothes before he goes out into public? Yet, even these passages from Bukhari about the semen spots being cleaned by his wife say nothing about "masturbatory sessions." Perhaps that is someone else's spin on the meaning of the passages? Maybe you have a real source among the valid Ahadith that actually says what you claim? And, you know this when you cannot even get the basic terms of Islamic religious texts right?

By the way, I am not a Muslim but I have studied the religion for some time.

Eh, you can say that about most religions. Besides, Hitler's genocidal mentality don't work, you should give it up too.

Your Mama sure was a bigot, huh?

Yeah...murder, you idjit.

Well, they're only trying to out do, their older brother the christians.

@thepunisher, you are not too bright are you. Islam is nothing like Christians. Christians do not rape, and torture.

True Christians not some nut job like The Westboro Bapstist chruch and a few others. Know your facts before you type. Lets not type fiction. Read the whole book not a sentence or two which clearly you have only done!

Where do you hateful people come from. Are you a Muslim?

" ,(please do not bombard me with Pakistan is not the ME)most of our leaders and Generals clump them in there anyway"

Really, so you are saying you are as dumb as most of our leaders and generals are. Geeshes no wonder they can get away with conducting stupid wars, it is so easy to convince retards.

@ punisher; Ha I missed this one earlier. No I am saying even though Pakistan is not truly ME, they have always been referred to as the ME by most, I did not want ten people correcting me, it is easier just to put Pakistan with the ME ,rather than call them the term you probably do not even know, young man. Which is "far east".

You just coudnt resist could you.lol

Coral Taxi

Nope, not "far east". You are even wrong there, pakistan is considered to be "South Asia". They actually sit on the Indian subcontitnent, which is neither a part Middle eastern or Asian continents. Common, it's not that hard to google. But yes, I couldn't resist.

@punisher; Really it is SE Asia, and the term far east is an english term that includes SE Asia. There are articles that include both.

At the height of the three easts concept Pakistan was considered as being the beginning of the Far East

@theunpunisher............BURN

May God have mercy on your soul because muslims would kill you for being a non believer. However we Christians just pray for your soul. Remember republicans are citizens too and have the right to have traditional views. Your intolerance is quite evident, a real progressive trait.

You have that wrong. Even many Atheists would prefer there to be some morality in the laws of our nation, otherwise you wind up with anarchy.

@ snappa;

In the US if the Christians had their way it would be exactly like Pakistan no different. Christians in this nation are hell bent on making people live their lives according to them. I guess the more ignorant a society is the better the politicians can use them to gain office

You sir are the ignorant one. You think Christians would persecute a child with downs for burning the Bible?WOW! Modern day Christians would not persecute anyone for anything,be real. Let me explain to you that we leave it up to our God to handle others iniquities, vengence is mine sayeth the lord,I am sure youve heard that one.

So do not sit here and ignorantly say we would be the same way. I challenge you to name one experience in the past lets say 5 yrs where a Christian has tried to make you live like them.lol You will not because it has not happened. Becoming a Christian is a choice,not something that is forced. Christians spread the word, it is up to you to accept it,not for us to make you accept it.Do a little studying sir.

So do not ever again compare my religion to another!! Very insultive. The only reason you have popular opinion,is because there are an abundance of AtheistS on line here, not because you are right. And you call others ignorant. (Major face palm,shakes head.) I will await your example.

The words of EVERY holy book ever written are the words of men with agendas. Those agendas are control, power, and wealth through the exploitation of our natural fear of death. People cling to the idea that somehow they will be blessed with eternal life if only they adhere to the teachings of their chosen faith. The evil, vileness of the concept repulses me. What do any of us possibly have to offer eternity? What would you do for eternity? Certainly not indulge worldly desires like accumulating wealth or having sex with umpteen virgins...the bald faced manipulation of people by religion IS the MOST evil thing on the planet!!!

If we only understood the finality of this life we could perhaps learn to cherish our own existence and the existence of everyone else. Imagine a world where we protect one another because we understand how precious life is! Religion robs us of the possibility!

There may be something more than this life but IF there is, it has nothing to do with the garbage people of "faith" embrace. Faith is unthinking, faith is blind, faith is deliberately ignorant and those who claim unwavering faithfulness would condemn those with a different view, perhaps even kill them and then celebrate their victory over evil without recognizing the evil they have committed in the name of FAITH!

You know the funny thing is atheists attack Christianity and other religions constantly, then accuse them of trying to convert them,or make them go their way,or judging them, when all the time some Atheists love to say we are forcing our beliefs down their throat, when they try to put their "non beliefs" on us to no end with insults.lol

@ sighber;How hypocritical to say we judge others when you guys are ten times as bad.lol Im my years of debating online I have never seen a Christian instigate against an atheist,it is always the atheists that start with their ignorant post. You guys say we are the problem? Maybe you oughtta read your own hateful post and look in the mirror.

@ snappa; Still waiting sir,this ought to be good. Back up what you say!!

Coral,

Hypocrisy, thy name is religion.

Insulting Christianity? NO, speaking my mind on religion in general. Religion was born of ancient man's inability to explain natural occurrences as well as the desire of some for power, control and wealth. None of the words written in any holy manuscript were written by deities, they ARE the words of men. If the world needs a lesson on the origins of religion they need look no further than the murky beginnings of the Mormon faith!

if all religion were idiotic then america would not be able to put you in prison for killing your neighbor,or raping your little girl.

@ sighber;

The evil, vileness of the concept repulses me.

This is how you describe people of faith,and this is not an insult?!!

it has nothing to do with the garbage people of "faith" embrace.

Calling others beliefs "garbage" is not insultive either?!

faithfulness would condemn those with a different view

Umm no sir,you guys seem much better at it than Christians, we do not condemn anyone,they condemn themselves sir.You see sir you are doing the exact thing you are accusing others of.lol Do you not get it? Please take my advice,and look long in the mirror at yourself.

the bald faced manipulation of people by religion IS the MOST evil thing on the planet!!!

Who has tried to manipulate you lately,over religion sir? I am guessing noone. Once again you insult. Then try to backpedal,sorry sighber too late.

@ snappa; Still waiting,how long will it take for you to think something up sir? You talk the talk, but as most other haters I have challenged before you can not walk the walk.

by the way sighber mormon religion is NOT christian. they believe in joseph smith.(like muslims believe in mohamed). they believe that jesus christ was just another prophet not the son of God.christian religions believe that jesus is the son of God and that he died on the cross for their sins in order for the sinner to go to heaven.

Never tried to backpedal, and never said Mormons were Christian.

@sigber;

Insulting Christianity? NO, speaking my mind on religion in general.

Please sir quit while you can.lol This truly a backpedal.lol

" However we Christians just pray for your soul."

Ha, your funny. Guess you've been reading edited history books, christians were the worst and most ruthless relgious sect in history.

"You think Christians would persecute a child with downs for burning the Bible?"

No but they would persecute a child with downs for being the incarnation of satan.

" I challenge you to name one experience in the past lets say 5 yrs where a Christian has tried to make you live like them. (Major face palm,shakes head.) I will await your example."

That one is too easy, can you say "illegal abortion". See that face palm you just put out, now put your face in it.

"if all religion were idiotic then america would not be able to put you in prison for killing your neighbor,or raping your little girl."

Really, don't confuse laws with religion, that's what makes the US great. If it was up to religion, you would be able to kill your neighbor and rape little girls.

@ punisher;

No but they would persecute a child with downs for being the incarnation of satan.

I believe you have watched to many Omen movies sir.lol

That one is too easy, can you say "illegal abortion". See that face palm you just put out, now put your face in it.

"Illegal abortion"?

I am not going to put my judgement on you if you choose to have an abortion,I and many other Christians might be against abortion, but God will take care of those that make their choices. Why is this so hard to get. You think the 3 or 4 standing outside an abortion clinic speak for the whole religion I think not.

Most Christians will keep that opinion to themselves, and not force you to choose otherwise, giving an opinion on something, and telling you how to live are two different things,and even if you had an abortion you would still be accepted by any Christian church, so do not sit here and tell me that being against something means they are trying to run your life, or make decisions for you. My face palm stands!lol

Really, don't confuse laws with religion, that's what makes the US great. If it was up to religion, you would be able to kill your neighbor and rape little girls

Last time I checked sir it was "love thy neighbor", rape little girls?!! wow really sir? I believe you are the confused one.

And learn to use quote marks for others words. youve been around awhile, and should know how, people will not get your point and mistake what you are trying to quote as your own words.

So do not sit here and ignorantly say we would be the same way. I challenge you to name one experience in the past lets say 5 yrs where a Christian has tried to make you live like them

You obviously have not met my family here in Central Florida.

Coral Taxi

Right, cause christians aren't trying to make abortion illegal again. If it's such a non-issue, then why is it such a political issue? Let's put it this way, if there was an item on the voting ticket that made abortions illegal, will you vote 'yes' or 'no'. or would you just not vote?

Here's another one for you, is it your opinion I'm going to hell, or is it because the bibble told you so? Would it amount to only opinion, if you believe I would be going to hell? Yeah, cause giving me the option to either go to heaven or hell is not telling me how to live. Right.

"Last time I checked sir it was "love thy neighbor", rape little girls?!! wow really sir? I believe you are the confused one."

hahahahaha.........me confused. Love thy neighbor, yeah right, except if thy neighbor was a muslim then kill them right? Yes, christians allowed 12 year old girls to marry older men, but I guess that isn't rape since it's marriage right? Geesh that wine you've been drinking with your bread must have some strong stuff in there.

@ cul. Good one! lol

I am not trying to say there are no more "fire and brimnstone" preachers left,LOL nor am I talking about parents. I am talking Christians in general are going to accept you for who you are, not ask if you have ever had an abortion,not ask if you are a theif, not ask what your past sins are,that is not there busineess unless they are some kind of counselor or church leader you have asked for help.

ie We do not try to run your life. period

I am talking Christians in general.

@ punisher

hahahahaha.........me confused. Love thy neighbor, yeah right, except if thy neighbor was a muslim then kill them right? Yes, christians allowed 12 year old girls to marry older men, but I guess that isn't rape since it's marriage right? Geesh that wine you've been drinking with your bread must have some strong stuff in there.

Yes sir it sounds like I am the one who has been drinking.lol I have Muslim neigbors and customers sir, I surely do not want to kill them.lol

I guess I shouldn't like someone who calls themselves "the punisher", but then I'm always doing stuff I shouldn't.

Good posts.

Coral,

Go back and re-read my first post and try to put your chosen delusion aside. NOWHERE did I mention Christianity specifically. My post relates to my view of every religion. Religion is used as a vehicle to foment hatred, mistrust, to sanctify horrific acts like those committed during war by young minds convinced that they are fighting on the side of righteousness. I used to sing "Onward Christian soldier" as a young boy in church. The hypocrisy of the words of this song alone ought to be enough to convince rational minds of the sorrow religion and those with mindless faith bring to the world. The condemnation of others with different beliefs is proof that religion works to divide the people of the world and to pit them against each other. Religion is at work on both sides of the many conflicts occurring in the world today.

I reject WAR, I reject hatred, I reject sanctified violence, I reject fantasy, I embrace reality, I embrace love, I cherish life!

You brand me a hater? Re-read your response to my posts and the posts of others who disagree with you, the hatred, and the sanctimonious dismissal of others beliefs belong to you, YOU own them.

Coral Taxi

I am talking Christians in general.

The devil is in the details...always is. Individual Christians are a snap to be around, it's when they gather in groups and start with the bond fires and chanting weird stuff and holding babies up to the full moon that I head for the car. And don't pretend that doesn't happen all the time. I've been watching from the bushes and it happens like clockwork every weekend here in Central Florida great heaps of naked, writhing, pasty white bodies weeping and shouting out for salvation. Then they go back to their jobs at Bank of America and Chuck E Cheese and pretend they are like normal folks. Y'all don't fool me. I know what your up to.

sighber

You sound completely rational and insightful to me.

"So do not ever again compare my religion to another!! Very insultive. The only reason you have popular opinion,is because there are an abundance of AtheistS on line here, not because you are right. And you call others ignorant."

Coral Taxi

Just responding to you telling others they are ignorant. So what is an atheist anyways? One that does not believe in a god or one that is not christian? Besides are you defending yourself as a christian or defending christian as a religion? As both are not as exclusive as you may want to think.

culheath

The punisher is the embodiment of good and evil. As there would be no evil if there is no good, and there would be no good if there is no evil. As the saying goes, "What is good for me, may be evil for you."

Coral, just because you took what Sighber said as an insult, doesn't mean that he was insulting Christianity. You sound like that security guard that turned on the Governor he was protecting because he apparently insulted Islam, but that's impossible because Christianity is far superior to and so different from Islam?

@ riverboy; Obviously he is aiming at Christians, but even I did not directly accuse him of it,here was is what I said...

This is how you describe people of faith,and this is not an insult?!!

You see I say he is insulting people of faith, I did not mention any one religion.

it has nothing to do with the garbage people of "faith" embrace.

Calling others beliefs "garbage" is not insultive either?!

Once again I say others beliefs not just Christians, I understand he is attacking and insulting the whole sphere not just Christians, if he is talking bad about and insulting people with faith then he is insulting me,nd wrongfully I might add.

You sound like that security guard that turned on the Governor he was protecting because he apparently insulted Islam, but that's impossible because Christianity is far superior to and so different from Islam?

Umm no,what I am doing is using my words and truth, not fist and knives sir. I have been getting insulted on the newsvine for years,I am just liike a duck sir. He is wrong on his assumptions and needed to be corrected. He insulted those with faith and needed to be called out on it, then he has the nerve to backpedal,and say,he is not insulting Christians"lol

@ sighber;

You brand me a hater?

Yes very much so.

Re-read your response to my posts and the posts of others who disagree with you, the hatred, and the sanctimonious dismissal of others beliefs belong to you, YOU own them.

Not one of my responses are derrogatory or hateful as any of yours or others, you just get mad because it is hard to argue with the truth. I have shown you your insults and hateful words toward those with faith now show me mine against you. You will not sir because I have no hate in my heart . I would not be on the vines if Iwere dismissive sir, the whole point is to learn and share.

@cul

sighber

You sound completely rational and insightful to me.

You are funny another good one.lol

While I feel all are entitled to their beliefs and opinions, I always find it interesting listening to some hard corps atheists. As a retired military vet with 20 years of service that includes Vietnam and the 1st Gulf War, I always found it very ironic to discover that there are such things as foxhole atheists! There were always some that would, before being in combat for the first time swear there was no God or heaven. When things hit the fan they'd pray there was no hell. When they came out alive, they'd thank God for their survival and believe! Just like the old Three Dog Night song.

As does the Quran. Some christians abuse their 'authority' (killing doctors who provide abortion services) just as much or more than muslims. There are fanatics in every religion who abuse the words in their holy books.

dman,

"There are fanatics in every religion who abuse the words in their holy books."

Yes, that's very true. You are always the voice of reason.

Religion just seems to breed fanatics though......we have them here too but we have a secular government to protect us from them.

Ah yes, the christian religion does say to protect the most vulnerable among us.......but do we?

Kathryn Sullivan,

Fanaticism is not limited to religion. Just look at all the hate filled, anti-Muslim posts on this page and tell me that is not fanaticism.

The only way to counter religious extremism, is military extremism. It's sad but true. You can't kill an idea but you can kill a lot of people. It's not like you can change any of these people's minds. It's like an acceptable form of insanity. I'm not just talking about Muslims, although they seem to be the quickest to kill somebody over their invisible man in the sky. Sometimes you have to be diplomatic and sometimes you have to kill a few key people....You can't reason or negotiate with crazy or religion because they are never wrong in their own mind.

The only way to counter religious extremism, is military extremism

I seems that whenever we employ "military extremism" the amount of religious extremism increases. Before we were attacking targets in Pakistan they were far less extreme.

I tend to think a good economy and education is the best defense against religious extremism.

dman -

I challenge you to produce evidencefigures that Christians have killed more doctors that provide abortion services than Muslims have killed to "proteect" the Quran.

Let us know on that one, OK?

Kathryn...we try, but you still abort them.

Most people can't stomach military extremism. It's ok, that makes you human. However, all that money we are sending over there to stimulate their economy is really winning us the "hearts and minds" of the people....(sarc) Mostly it's just being embezzled by the higher up and middle level guys in the Afghan and Paki governments.

If the one thing the detainees at Gitmo has taught us is that if you want to "Americanize" an uncivilized culture or deprogram an extremist you need to start with mass media. Let them watch "The Fresh Prince of Bel-air" or some other American show that is insanely popular with them. As long as the extremists are going on radio and TV telling the ignorant and uneducated to "kill all infidels in the name of Allah" the battle is lost before it even begins. You got to make them want to be civilized. It would help if you silenced the opposition somehow. It's a propaganda campaign and we are losing.

In the Middle East, conservative religious extremists are know as the taliban. In the USA, we call them the tea party...

if mitt twitt and pauly crackers get in the white house. mitt twitt will have to legalize pologamy so his latino pologamous parents can become u s citizens. (george romney had 12 wives including mitts mother lenore)(george romney was born in chichua mexico).mitt twitt and pauly crackers are going to do away with planned parenthood fundings. cut medicare and its healthcare only some medical vouchers will be issued. no more medicaid for the poor and disabled they will have to die in the streets.all jobs will go overseas to india china etcl. mitt twitt calls it outsourcing.

God bless America. vote sweet home chicago november 2012. government for a better America for all not just the rich and wh&_*& supremist Americans.

George W Romney had one wife, Lenore, you Texas twitt!

Are you referring to the viners? If so, you're probably right.

Most of the posters on here so far...yeah, you're right.

If you like them - go and live among them. Religious fanatics of ANY creed make life on this planet just plain unbearable.

I do like them, the Muslims and Pakistanis I mean, and they live all around me in my neighborhood. In fact, they're everywhere around you too...they've always been there, they're Americans after all.

The fanatics suck though, Muslim or Christian. It's weird, you don't see too many fanatic Buddhists...in fact, thinking about it, I've never met one.

Fortunately in this country the religious fanatics are (still) somewhat restricted in whatever insanity they may want to impose on others. I personally know people of many different faiths and cultures but I avoid fanatics like a plague they are. Christians were not liked in ancient Rome only because they were closed minded fanatics eager to impose their beliefs on others. And thanks to emperor Constantine, they eventually got their chance to do exactly that.

Yes, true, muslims are plain ignorant and savage. But hey when your only role model is your older brothers the christians, what do you expect?

wrong punisher, the muslim role model is the perverted liar prophet Muhammad.

And where do you think Muhammad got his ideas? You think Islam as an Abrahamic religion was just created in a vacuum? Christianity had been doing its thing for over half a millennium before Islam showed up.

ps...that halo looks a little askew...just sayin'

latekate

wrong punisher, the muslim role model is the perverted liar prophet Muhammad.

Well if muhammad was such a liar, he could have only learned that while studying christianity. But hey, I hear google can dig up some really nifty facts, you should try it out.

more of the foreign countries should adopt our first amendment. for a more peaceful world. all we are asking is give peace a chance.

A year or two ago, Palestinian extremists were exposed enlisting mentally challenged youngsters as suicide bombers. At one checkpoint into Israel, a young boy had such an ill fitting jacket with explosives, the border guards were able to apprehend the young lad. He burst into tears, saying" I don't want to blow up!" The Palestinian leadership was embarrassed at having been caught. They have no conscience. I'm not anti-Muslim by any means, but there has to be something dreadfully amiss in societies that place a greater value on the pages of a book being accidentally destroyed, than human lives, & are seemingly able to produce an endless supply of suicide bombers. The examples are endless, but one that caught my eye (& I am not religious), was a story told by staff from a cruise ship in Morocco. No symbols of Christianity are allowed, so they levied fines against several staff for items with little red crosses on them. What they were looking at was the crosses of a rating system for various videos with movies on them. Nothing religious at all. The ultimate, though, has to be the pressing of charges of adultery against women who have been raped. To so many in the world of Islam, we westerners are automatically inferior enemies; being "infidels." And when we're not available to criticize or kill, they slaughter each other with abandon. Imagine stopping a busload of people on this continent, separating the Baptists from all others , & simply killing 'all others'. Sunni versus Shia versus all others. It's been part of life for centuries.

Zapper45701, it is true what you have written but remember:

It is not possible to use any form of logic or much intellect when it come to religion. Remember that religion is based on a leap of faith. I prefer to call it what it is, cognitive dissonance...the refusal / inability to accept a thing, no matter how overwhelming the evidence.

Have you been reading these posts. Both muslims and christians are showing they don't tolerate much. They would kill each other if they can.

Actually, I have read the Koran, as well as numerous variations of the Christian Bible, Hindu texts, and many more. It is obvious that you have not. At the core of every religion lies the same fundamental principals of respect for life and fundamental good will. It's people who warp relgion to fit their desire to control others, not the religion itself.

a little 8yr old boy in pakistan stole a loaf of bread because he was hungry. the government ran over his right arm with a jeep, and then cut off his right arm. and they call this muslim religion peaceful religion and tolerant. i highly question this number.how long before freedom of press collaspes this one it really happened.

Actually, I have read the Koran, as well as numerous variations of the Christian Bible, Hindu texts, and many more. It is obvious that you have not. At the core of every religion lies the same fundamental principals of respect for life and fundamental good will. It's people who warp relgion to fit their desire to control others, not the religion itself

I have no idea what you have been reading but one would be hard-pressed to find more killings and total disregard for life, than what can be found in the religious books.

Did you want them to be your friends? But did you also want them to be our enemy? Ever hear of the enemy of my enemy is my friend? or did you forget we made friends with Saddam, when we both had a common enemy, then made him the enemy, when that threat dissolved. That's politics dude.

it should read the enemy of my enemy is next.