Just remember a lot of them carry the same genes. They think that their blood line is pure but I bet half the Jews and Muslims have a lot of intermingling of the species. It's been shown on the tv show where they look at the ancestry and genes. They probably killed one of their own

The problem with this statement is that "tolerance" becomes a relative term...I'm sure that there are plenty of people who who consider YOU intolerant for not tolerating the hatred that some people have for others. What you really seem to be saying is that people need to accept certain attitudes and reject others (such as racism or xenophobia). In other words, you're saying some actions are better than others. Beating a kid is not as good as accepting someone with differences. I'm wholeheartedly on the same page, but I think that addressing the issue means reaching deeper than saying people need to be "tolerant". Tolerant of what? Total tolerance is easy, but it quickly leads to inconsistencies. The real question is what should we be INTOLERANT of, and how do you justify that intolerance? How do you justify your intolerance of these youngsters behavior without "imposing" a moral code on them? Thats a more complex but perhaps more important question.

You're right, Justiceforall, but I think the article was wrong when it said there was a strong racial element in the strife. Jews and Arabs belong to the same race, Caucasoid. They should have said there was a strong ethnic element in the strife. The problem between Jews and Palestinians is a problem of ethnicity; not race.

The ONLY time the trickle down theory works.

All people of earth bleed red blood. If we realize that, then we also must acknowledge our relation to one another. We all start out the same way, and we all end the same way, birth from a woman and death in the end. Between birth and death, we learn to hate and destroy. Why? To what accomplishment? For what purpose? Do we really want to be destroyed? Or do we really want to live in peace? Where does the destruction end? Where does peace start? Imagine there's no heaven. Imagine there's no hell. Imagine all the people of earth living for today...

HopeIsFree,

"All people of earth bleed red blood."

Yes, and your post reminds me of Shylock in Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice:

"To bait fish withal: if it will feed nothing else, it will feed my revenge. He hath disgraced me, and
hindered me half a million; laughed at my losses, mocked at my gains, scorned my nation, thwarted my bargains, cooled my friends, heated mine enemies; and what's his reason? I am a Jew. Hath not a Jew eyes? hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed
and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?"

We're all human, regardless of race or ethnicity.

Why? ............. Does anyone have to look farther than this posting place?

Hate mongers abound ... Have no regard for the truth, even less regards for facts, and no tolerance for social, political, or religious convictions of others! The policy of popularization for political expediency and self serving considerations, seem to be "Soup de Jour " the first portion of the twenty first century ...

Thank God for the brave actions of the young Israeli, Amit, who had the hutzpah (balls) to do the right thing! ... he looks like prime minister material ....

Stop this polarization ... it's destroying us!

Quite simply, you're a joke.

Your quote "Israel is dominated by its ultra-nationalists and is a racist, apartheid, ethnic-cleansing, fascist, war-mongering police-state, and the US is its puppet" is a very transparent baseless hate.

Israel is NOT a religious state. You have that confused with Islamic Sharia states.

Torah law forbids working on Saturday; yet most Israeli shops are open.

Torah law forbids swine on the Holy land; yet, ISRAELI-run pork farms abound.

Torah law forbids Idolatry and prayer facilities of other G-ds on the holy land - yet mosques and churches outnumber synagogues.

Torah law says that Judea and Sumaria (Gaze & the WB) are Israeli lands - yet, we've ALL seen IDF troops forcibly remove ISRAELI settlers from homes there.

Israel's Knesset has 6 Arab Political parties.

Police State ? Yes, I'm SURE you have a problem with the IDF's presence near nightclubs, restaurants and the like; after all, there's NO threat there, right ?

Wow...good Hasbara spin and twist...where did you get that information from? The IDF/Hasbara handbook??

Here are the FACTS:

Right of return for Jews only

Palestinians are denied the right to return to homes and lands that have been taken from them in Israel, while a person with one Jewish grandparent anywhere in the world can settle on that same land.

Limits on Palestinian growth

Since 1948, scores of new communities have been founded for Jews, but very few for Palestinians, causing severe residential overcrowding.

Unequal funding for Palestinian towns

Palestinian towns and villages in Israel do not receive the same funding as Jewish towns, even though taxation rates are equal for Palestinians and Jews.

Limits on land leased to Palestinians

Until recently, Palestinians were not permitted to lease land from the Israeli Land Administration, which controls 93% of the land in Israel.

Unrecognized Palestinian villages denied basic services

Many Palestinian villages, some predating the State of Israel, are unrecognized by the government, and thus receive no running water, electricity, or access roads.

Destruction of unrecognized Palestinian villages

The Bedouin citizens residing in the unrecognized villages of the Negev have for many years suffered from severe discrimination and marginalization.

Unequal application of the law to Jews and non-Jews

A dual system of law discriminates between Jewish Israelis and indigenous Palestinians based on a constructed status of "Jewish nationality."

No constitutional protection for minorities

Israel openly declares itself "a state of the Jewish people" yet has no constitution to protect the rights of the 24.5% of its citizens who are non-Jewish.

Unequal funding for Palestinian education

There are separate and inferior school systems for Palestinians inside Israel.

Restricted access to good jobs for Palestinians

Service in the Israeli army is a prerequisite for the best private and public sector jobs.

Confiscation of Palestinian land for Jewish use

Land is confiscated from Palestinian villages and made available for Jewish use.

Poisoning, uprooting of Bedouin Israeli citizens' crops

The government of Israel has sent planes to spread poison on Bedouin crops.

Plans to "Judaize" the Palestinian areas of the Galilee

The area of the Galilee in northern Israel is where many Israeli Palestinians live. Some are descended from the earliest Christians, while others are Muslim.

Discrimination in public places

Palestinian citizens of Israel are often discriminated against through denial of access to recreation spaces.

Israeli anthem discriminates

Israelis who are Muslim or Christian must extol the Jewish spirit when singing Israel's national anthem.

Israeli flag discriminates

The flag of Israel displays the religious symbol of Judaism, though nearly one-quarter of its citizens are Christian or Muslim.

House demolitions

In 2007, 759 Palestinian homes were destroyed inside Israel.

Denial of family unification for Arabs

In 2003, the Israeli Knesset enacted legislation that denies any possibility of residency status for Palestinians from the West Bank or Gaza who are married to Israeli citizens.

Failure to protect Palestinian citizens during wartime

Almost all Palestinian towns and villages in northern Israel lack public bomb shelters.

Unequal compensation for Palestinian citizens for war damages

After the Lebanon war, Palestinian villages were denied compensation for damages.

Discrimination at airports and train stations

Palestinians are frequently taken aside at Israel's airports and train stations and searched, often invasively.

Government leaders talk openly of expelling Arabs from Israel

Christians have lived in the land that became Israel for 2000 years, Muslims for more than 1300 years. Now these citizens are referred to as a demographic threat, or "the Arab Problem."

Palestinian history and Israel's borders removed from textbooks

Teachers are not allowed to teach students in public schools about Palestinian history.

This is what happens when you demonize people who have different views from your own.

The media agenda coupled with political rhetoric leads to violence.

mickey - race is social construct. There are no sub human classifications. Sure, they picked "Caucasoid (white), Mongoloid (Asian), and Negroid (African origin) to classify us by outward appearance/origin. True that Arabs and Jews are Caucasian (white), just not "Anglo Saxon white". Ethnically, oh boy, sad state of affairs. Good luck with that, to both sides - no one is EVER going to fix that. Not in the last thousand years, not ever.
I figure this country is well on its way to X-tian mullahs dividing the populace here, under the guise of religion - both cults of catholic and mormon groups will see to it, with a sprinkling of holy rollers thrown in.

BTP, I am aware of many of your points, but you have to admit you will change very few minds tinged by religious bigotry.

It's apartheid, just like as was in South Africa. Actually, it is arguably worse than what South Africa had. But you will get very few people of Jewish background to admit it. That is why the Middle East Issue cannot be resolved. There is virtually no movement within the Israeli, Russian nor American Jewish populations that can compare to the American abolitionists or the white (and often Jewish-American) participants in our American Civil Rights movement. Yeah, their is a small percentage of liberal Israelis, who are very liberal, but we don't here about them marching in the streets en masse for Palestinian rights, justice and fair treatment.

And of course, that part of the world is preoccupied with blood feuds.

happytimesarehearagain,

"mickey - race is social construct."

You must be a follower of the anthropologist Ashley Montague. I think he wrote a book called The Fallacy of Race or something like that in which he tried to argue that there is no such thing as race. Not all anthropologist agree with him, though, by any means. I agree, though, that there are no subhuman races. All are human.

What's with Martin Fletcher, NBC News, who "reported" this article? How come he calls the Israelis "Jews," and the Islamics "Arabs"? One group he denigrates by emphasizing their religion, and one group he mitigates by naming their race.

Not exactly an equitable report.

Additionally, I want to know how he got the report of the information. Was he one of the observers standing on the side, or did he come late and question just the Arab kid and just the Jew who helped him? I strongly question the image of the poor put-upon "Arabs" being confronted by those nasty "Jews."

If this were an accurate report, they were Muslims vs Jews, or Arabs vs Israelis, or, how about just saying a couple of opposing gangs which may have names as gangs do in the United States?

This is not a convincing report at all. Subtly one-sided big time.

Fanatics on all sides ruin it for everyone else.

We humans are in denial that we are the most insane species on the planet! We rationalize everything and none of it helps. We are destined to annihilate ourselves and everything else on the planet. We can't help it because we are an insane species of animal!

Death is the end. Your end, my end, their end. Death is the final solution for us all. Why cry cause of war and famine and destruction. It all leads to death. Even if you live the greatest and most civil life, death will find you. Stop fleeing and embrace it. You are born and YOU WILL DIE. Nothing else matters. The great vast nothingness of death will consume you and it will be as it was before you were born, nothingness. Welcome to reality.

Chimps have been studied. They have several times been documented as clobbering one another for the purpose of domination. It happens in all of the groups.

Here is another example of the " old monkey" that is left in the human condition. It seems to happen all over the world. There will probably never be a cure.

Dan Z...

My husband died three months ago....and you are so right...none of us will escape death, and with the way the world is now...overpopulation leading to competition for resources, pollution, global warming, the threat of nuclear annihilation and the domestic problems of people in the US hating eachother because of their politics, the obesity rate...the fake disgusting chemical, pesticide laced food made in factories and sold on every corner by fast food corporations, healthcare that's not affordable.....it just keeps getting worse and worse.....my point being.....I used to be afraid to die...not anymore....I can't wait to join my husband and escape this crazy world...I welcome death with open arms.

And Snugglepuss.....I've thought many times about your view and agree totally, my question to you: do you think gender plays a huge role ? Would it be different if there were a very small population of men and the world was run by women ?

@HopeIsFree, Mickey, & moonbeamracer,

I loved your posts (especially Hope's). All well said indeed.

:)

Thanks to Amit for saving the youngsters life

@Missy,

I'm truly sorry for your loss and hope that you find the peace and answers to your grief that you need.

Also regarding your "List" it sadly could go on and on and on. I do agree with you though food, medical, politics, race, religion it almost seems like humanity is trying to divide and destroy itself at times. Could we find anything else or try much harder? Pathetic actually:(

Sooooo...a kid gets beaten up by other kids; and that is a "lynching"? Interesting...

beaten to death thom. if the good samaritan hadn't been there to perform CPR the victim would , in fact, be dead. how often do teenage kids beat one kid to death?

Thom1111, read the article again. You obviously did not get the full story. This is lyncing by racist Zionists - and this has been going on since Israel was created. Let no one fool you. This is not a democracy. It is a religious autocratic state, well funded and supported by the US and its Zionist proxy from around the world. They dominate everything globally, through manipulation and intimidation. In the next 50 years we will all be under a world order - facism.

Sooooo...a kid gets beaten up by other kids; and that is a "lynching"? Interesting...

It's called Gazawood. Check out the dolt Ed who has reading comprehension issues, what kind or retard would compare teenagers fighting to the Kristallnacht? If you check out the Arab news sites there is no mention of Amit. Americans have no clue how some Arab boys behave they are not like the teenagers in America with their braces and fake tans, no more like lawless animals, some of them gang rape and they know how to slit your throat before they reach puberty. Their parents don't care if they throw rocks at buses or children or soldiers. If someone threw rocks and firecrackers at my house all day I would find the biggest boulder and flatten their house so all that would be left is a big hole in the Earth.

Might be the best time for this world to start embracing the Non-Aggression Principle as well as Liberty.

Do not use force or impose your will on others. You don't own other human beings, no one owns you. You have the right to make your own decisions in life so long as it does not hurt another person or limit their liberty.

@ Backstabbing Tea Party

First off "tea party" is a US political party thing. Secondly no one in the US uses the term "Zionist" or whatever thats only used in a negative context by Islamic extremist in the middle east. If your going to post on a US site and pretend to be American at least have a basic understanding of the culture. Also you cant attack a country and attempt to genocide them, lose horribly and then lose your land because of your actions then expect them to just give the land back and cry about the right of return. What needs to happen is for equal rights in Israel and its neighbors to stop foaming at the mouth for a chance to murder and genocide jews. Its a blood lust thats ingrained in them by terrible parenting and terrible religious leadership. Jews and Arabs live in Israel together and for the most part get along. What other countries in the middle east do jewish and islamic people live peacefully together in?

Missy, I am sorry for your loss. I do believe that if women ruled the world that things would be pretty much the same. Case in point: Hillary Clinton. She may wear a dress but she acts exactly the same as men do. Probably the only improvement would be that women would have more freedom to get an education (in Afghanistan for example) and women wouldn't have to wear Burkas in other countries and there wouldn't be so much oppression against women. I always thought that women were the more gentle sex but after being around this planet for quite a few years I can honestly say that some women are just as vicious and heartless as men. As for our future on this planet, God help us.

JoeCal,

"Case in point: Hillary Clinton."

I agree. I have read that women in leadership positions tend to take on more masculine traits because those are the traits that are required to perform well in the job and to survive in a world still dominated mostly by men. You gave Hillary Clinton as an example, but what about Golda Meir, the former Prime Minister of Israel? She not only acted like a man; she even looked like a man! An then, of course, there is Margaret Thatcher of England, the "Iron Maiden", as they called her. Indira Gandhi of India was not exactly the personification of feminine characteristics, either. So I agree, women in leadership positions can be just as tough and mean as any man.

Mickey, yeah, if you get a chance go on line and read how Hillary Clinton verbally assualted with extremely salty and degrading language a member (if memory serves me right) of the President's security staff or secret service just because he was standing a few inches out of alignment with the rest of his group.

What, that this happened in Israel or that it was a little girl's fault? Didn't see her in cuffs in the pic. This kind of thing happens a lot, no matter where you are. I'm glad that in two cases I know of (one here in my neighborhood and another in Texas), the little girls are the ones facing the capital charges.

So you didn't read that a Girl was arrested. Than you also must of missed the fact a Jewish medical Student saved his Life and visited him in the Hospital. Selective reading is dangerous.

No surprise, Dave ? Why not ?

Is this an everyday occurrence ? If so, please tell us- or, better yet, SHOW us ?

This seeming "tolerance" by bystanders is not endemic to Jew v. Arab - you see it ALL the time here in the U.S. - nobody wants to get involved, regardless of the ethnicity.

How many times do you see (or hear) of the Palestinian Authority arresting a group of Arabs who beat or kill an Israeli ? (now THAT would be a surprise).

Am I defending the perps (OR the bystanders) ? NO - that is horrendous and embarrassing. But it is not the mainstream - it is an aberration, but those of your ilk will descend on that for any reason if it vilifies Israel. Just like the Israeli government opening up its borders to African refugees - we never HEARD of it in the press, BUT, let 150 Israelis (out of 3 MILLION) protest those actions, and you're all "BAD ISRAEL !"

These guys who beat this kid...they WILL be tried, AND convicted AND sentenced to LENGTHY prison terms, JUST as it should be - now THAT'S not a surprise.

Jeff - if those kids end up serving time, or much, that would indeed be a big surprise to most. Including the Arabs in the area, I'd bet.
Kind of like those "boys" in a small PA town, who beat to death a Mexican national. ..." the all-white jury of six men and six women from Schuylkill County jury found Piekarsky and Donchak guilty of simple assault.".
Well, the Israelis have to deal with their own messes.

Well, happytimes, YOU'D know better, right ? I mean, you have ALL the statistics of what happens to Jews to beat Palestinians, right ?

Of course, we DO know what happens in ISLAMIC states when a Jew is beaten...but, as to whether or not you're surprised, I hope, when this is all over, you remember this post - because the punishment WILL be severe, your (baseless) "doubt" notwithstanding.

Oh..wait...why let facts get in the way of a good hate ?

No surprise, Dave ? Why not ?

Because it's expected. Broadly speaking Jews hate Arabs and Arabs hate Jews. You think that's news? All it takes is a comment like "No surprise" to get you knee jerk specialists going.

@Jeff-573598,

So sad...but resorting to angry, childish insults is not helping your cause. If people could try to see the world through others' eyes...with genuine interest in learning about different points of view, many of these acts of violence could be alleviated.

It starts with one person: Where is your compassion for this innocent Palestinian who tried to flee an angry mob of Israeli teens? I don't care if the victim was Muslim, Jewish, Catholic, Protestant, Hindi, etc...he did not deserve such a brutal beating.

One thing is for certain: If a Jewish teen had been beaten unmercifully by a gang of Palestinian youth, Israeli Air Force jets would be bombing the West Bank to clear the way for the Army tanks to move in and mow down Palestinian homes. Countless lives would be lost and many more innocents would suffer. Oh yes, and any responding Red Crescent (Red Cross) workers would be blocked or attacked to prevent delivering aid. This historic "bully" behavior is at the crux of the problem.

One is not antisemitic to question Israel's heavy-handed response tactics. Imagine a SWAT team demolishing entire blocks of urban neighborhoods because a few violent gang members lived in it. Has nothing to do with religion, but instead a concern for what's humane.

Kudo's to Amit and best wishes to Jamal and his family during his recovery.

Agreed. As sad as it is to hear about the thuggery of the others, there are still a few good people left in this world. It is up to us to make it a priority to keep goodness alive.

It does seem a shame that the report states that bystanders didn't help. Amit did help. It was just too bad someone didn't intervene before the victim was half-dead.

Max: I'm glad to finally see a critical though balanced analysis.

Basil - I respect the Jewish people desires for peace and their own country. But they must be treated just like everybody else on the international arena, and they need to treat the minorities within Israel and occupied territories in a way they would like to see the Jewish minority treated in other countries.

Max...generally, Arabs (aka Palestinians) who do live in Israel have every right afforded to Jews. There is no distinction. They are citizens, they can vote, and the even serve in the Knesset.
On the other hand, a Jew's aren't even ALLOWED to enter Arab countries like Saudi Arabia!!

@Stu - I doubt that very much, so does the rest of the world. Here is a snipped from Haaretz regarding discrimination against Arabs in Israel: http://www.haaretz.com/news/un-israel-must-stop-discrimination-against-arabs-palestinians-1.215158 And if Jews were treated in some other country the way Israel treats arabs in the occupied territories, you would be foaming at the mouth calling that treatment Nazi-like. Be real in your propaganda.

Max,

The occupied territories are territories that Israel conquered in defensive wars, meaning they were legal acquisitions under international law. The residents violently resisted from day one, executing terrorist attacks against the civilians of Israel (Jew and Arab alike). In essence, this makes the 'occupied territories' ongoing war zones without any real state for Israel to be at war with (the PLO doesn't count). When you look at other war zones in the world, what Israel has done to the occupied territories is positively merciful.

C.Smith - just because you stole land from other countries in supposedly defensive wars (and not all these wars were defensive btw.) does not give you the right under international law to keep them (see numerous UN resolutions in that regard) or to treat the conquered population like crap. Use the criteria I listed above: how would you feel if Jews were treated the way Israel treats Palestinians? Or if it was Israel's land that was stolen by another country? Treat others the way you would want to be treated yourself and then you will be universally respected.

just because you stole land

This is a good example of using selective application of a definition. If this is true, than the US is guilty of "stealing" texas from mexico, france is guilty of "stealing" alcaise lorraine from germany, and multiple other examples from history

Singling out Israel just shows bias

Furthermore, there are certain security issues to be considered. Israel was attacked by 5 countries on the day of its LAWFUL creation. Where are your outcries on the illegality of that manuever, by the way? Secondly, Israel has been under attack from agents of these countries every year since then. Rockets are fired on israel almost daily. Just giving back the golan heights would very likely lead to a situation similiar to that which took place in gaza--the takeover of the government by an internationally recognized terrorist organization--except now their rockets would be in striking distance of major metropolitan areas

You can bet your bottom dollar that the US would never give away baltimore maryland to al-queda, even if they had a legitimate claim to it

ee numerous UN resolutions in that regard)

As Islam is one of the most dominant religions in the world, and many see the conflict in the middle east as jew vs muslim, there's a reason why the UN favors palestinians. I would suggest sticking to the facts rather than relying on an organization with very real biases

treat the conquered population like crap

Arabs in israel are more free than arabs in most other countries in the ME. Just ask syrians. They are allowed to vote, hold office--a few serve in the Knesset and one is even on the supreme court!

How many jews can claim those rights in arab countries? Please answer that question; it is not rhetorical

treat others the way you would want to be treated yourself and then you will be universally respected.

see above and please answer my question

Max: Your quote:

"they need to treat the minorities within Israel and occupied territories in a way"

Like what ?

6 Arab parties in the Knesset ? (gee, that's 6 more than the combined Jewish parties in ALL of the 28 Arab states.

Like aiding them ? Let's see: Israel gives the Pals millions of dollars of aid; they built and operate PA's water facilities and electric grid.

Like rights ? Arabs who LIVE in Israel (as opposed to the press) ubiquitously claim that they have more rights in Israel than they do in Arab countries.

Do NOT base your rant on the actions of a VERY few. It just makes your agenda that much more transparent.

And, btw, Max - which of the war(s) were not Defensive ? The only one I know where Israel attacked first, was in '67. To THAT, may I remind you that after the '56 war, the U.N. placed "peacekeepers" at the Egypt/Israel border in Sinai. Nassar gave the U.N. 24 hours to "bug out" or face death. The U.N. "bugged out" saying thy were a "peacekeeping force" not a fighting force. Concurrently therewith, Arab forces massed the borders of Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria -

It doesnt take an Einstein to see what was coming. I am SURE, Maxie that, if someone were pointing a gun at your family, YOU'S insist on giving them the first shot before you took action, right ?

Jeff-573598: "The only one I know where Israel attacked first, was in '67" Besides Suez 1956, 1967, Lebanon 1983, Lebanon 2006? Oh, and 1948, a war which was preceded by a bloody campaign of terrorism by the Zionists, including a future PM, Menachem Begin.

Cynic.

Long before "a bloody campaign of terrorism by the Zionists" Palestinians already had a habit of attacking Jewish settlements, they are the true cause of the war of 1948.

War of 1956 was started by Egypt taking over Suez.

War of 1982 was response to Lebanon hosting PLO, who was attacking Israel on all fronts, including shooting rockets into Israel.

War of 2006 started with Lebanese attacking Israeli border, killing 10 soldiers and kidnapping 2, claiming that this one was started by Israel is especially idiotic.

@Eli100: Always the victim. Riiiiight.

Eli - Did Suez belong to Israel?

Israel had been planning the 2006 war for months. Hezbollah fired a few rockets into Israel as a diversion, so they could kidnap the Israeli soldiers and trade them for some of the hundreds, if not thousands of prisoners held by Israel.

Israel responded to the kidnapping, by initiating massive air strikes on Lebanese cities and Lebanese infrustructure, killing over 1000 civilians, mostly women and children. They also dropped of millions of cluster bombs, which are still killing children today...

Once the IDF got ther courage to send in ground troops, they were humiliated in battle against a miltia. Israel had 30,000 troops and they had to beg the UN to call for a cease fire, so they could flee back to Israel. It turns out the invincibility of the IDF was a myth. They are yellow cowards, afraid to fight man to man. In their American supplied F16s, they are invincible, only because the nations Israel attacks have no way to shoot an F16 down.

Suez Canal was international, Egypt blocked it for everyone, Israel was not the only country they pissed off.

As for 2006, Before Israel attacked Lebanon they asked nicely to just give back the two kidnapped soldiers, Lebanon responded with more rockets.

Most of the Lebanese civilians who died in that war would be still if Hezbollah terrorist were not hiding behind them like cowards they are, and all the civilians would be alive if the 2 Israelis were not kidnapped or at least returned before things got rough.

The part about Israel fleeing is nonsense. If Israeli government was begging UN for anything that year it was to let them keep fighting until Hezbollah falls, but of cause Arab-dominated UN would not allow that.

Meanwhile, Nasrallah actually admitted an interview that he would not have allowed the kidnapping if he knew it would lead to such a nasty war, he was giving that interview from his underground bunker, where he was probably trying not to crap his pants.

(By the way in Russain the word "nasrala" means "she took a crap", seriously, I am not making it up, feel free to check the dictionary, the slang section.)

It's doubtful that these kid attackers knew much about the fine points of international relations. They were just young hotheads that got feisty first before thinking much. That's quite familiar in all cultures. In the picture where they are arrested they are covering their faces in hopefully embarrassment. Maybe they will think a little now when they face the consequences of their actions.

That's funny Basil Romeo doesn't sound Israeli, Jewish .....

Sorry Scientist: I can't get into an account of how I came up with this monicker.

BASIL

I never knew that Israel had a branch of the KKK !!!!! Guess some of your countrymen want to see the Palestinians hang around for awhile.

It's good someone like Basil will speak out against the hatred in his own country and show us not all Israelis support this sort of thing. Who cares what his name is?

"perps will receive their day in Court and just punishment for their actions."

If only that was true. Based on history, they will only receive a slap on the hand. Follow this story and sadly you'll see.

Based on history...

like what examples?

@Justiceforall....these kids will unquestionably receive a harsh punishment for their actions...just the same way a racial attack here in the U.S. (which also happens to be a free democratic country like Israel) would typically be treated.

Justice - At least they were arrested and get punished. Show me such an example in Arab countries.

Easy now farideh, they were arraested, lets see if they get punished and what type of punishment they receive. The Israelis who tried to sink the USS Liberty, killing 32 Americans and wounding 172 are regarded as heros in Israel.

Those kids just followed the Zionist example. Kill their ancestors, steal their land and then hate them for their wanting justice and their land back. Worse of all, deny the Arabs ever lived there.

"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel.
It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us,
but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti -
Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but
one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept
that?"

David Ben Gurion (first Israeli PM, quoted by Nahum Goldmann
in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return
them to."

Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.

. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees]
never do return... The old will die and the young will forget."

David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in
Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his
question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved
his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'"

Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs,
published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

. "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion,
clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with
time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization or Jewish
State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their
lands."

Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

the liberty was an accident, as judged by the US investigation into the matter

Why would Israel attack the US, their biggest ally? It makes no sense...

Bob. There are extremists everywhere. You seem pretty extreme, yourself.

Oh, RALPHIE ! Newsvine's most outspoken Jew-hater....

I knew it was only a matter of time before you slid out from under your rock.

Perhaps you'd like to stop the cut & paste and come up with something original ?

Eric- read about the accident on the USS Liberty.It was no accident. It was an Israeli false flag attack and Israel got caught again.

There is a timeline
at the website which was set up to honor the American victims of the Isareli
and U.S. Military. Most of it follows.

June 8,
1967, Israeli forces attack the USS Liberty. They kill 34 American servicemen,
wounding 171 others. It will be the highest casualty rate ever inflicted on a
U.S. naval vessel, with 7 out of every 10 crew members killed or injured. It
will also be the only peacetime attack on a U.S. naval vessel that, to this
day, the Congress of the United States of America formally refuses to
investigate.

2 June 1967. Liberty
departs Rota at top speed of 18 knots en route to a point 13 miles off the Gaza
Strip, well within international waters.

5 June 1967, 7:45
(all times cited are local Liberty time). Israel attacks Egypt, simultaneously
putting out false reports that Egypt had attacked first. Captain McGonagle asks
Vice Admiral William Martin at Sixth Fleet headquarters to send a destroyer as
an armed escort and auxiliary communication center, noting that Liberty's
"self defense capability limited to four .50 caliber machine guns and
small arms."

6 June
1967. Admiral Martin replies "Liberty is clearly marked United States ship
in international waters, not a participant in the conflict and not a reasonable
subject for attack by any nation . . . Request for escort denied."

7 June
1967, shortly before midnight. Office of the U.S. Defense Attaché in Tel Aviv
sends coded message to U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) that Israel intends
to attack the Liberty if her course is not changed.

8 June 1967:

1000: Two unmarked,
rocket-armed, delta-winged jets circle Liberty three times. Liberty officers
can count rockets and see the pilots, but see no identifying marks on the
plane. The jets radio Israeli headquarters that the ship is flying an American
flag.

1030: Israeli "flying boxcar" with Israeli markings circles
Liberty at about 200 feet. Crew member Larry Weaver says, "I was actually
able to wave to the co-pilot, a fellow on the right-hand side of the plane. He
waved back, and actually smiled at me."

1055: Pinchas Pinchasy, naval liaison officer at Israeli air force
headquarters, reports to Naval Headquarters that the ship cruising slowly off
El Arish is "an electromagnetic audio-surveillance ship of the U.S. Navy,
named Liberty, whose marking was GTR-5."

1100 & 1130: Israeli reconnaissance aircraft again circle Liberty.

1205: Three Israeli motor torpedo boats leave Ashdod at high speed headed
toward Liberty. They are followed by Israeli air force fighters, loaded with
30mm cannon ammunition, rockets, and napalm.

1215 & 1245: Israeli reconnaissance aircraft again circle Liberty.

1341: Israeli torpedo boats spot Liberty and call for an immediate air strike.

1358: Two unmarked delta-winged Mirage jets attack Liberty. After taking out
gun mounts, they target ship's antennae and bridge with heat-seeking missiles.

1405: Three unmarked Dassault Mystère IIIC jets attack with napalm and
rockets. Ship tries to contact Sixth Fleet headquarters, but five of Liberty's
six shore circuits are jammed. Radio operator manages to send distress signal
from Captain McGonagle: "Under attack by unidentified jet aircraft,
require immediate assistance." Attack lasts approximately 22 minutes,
involving 30 to 35 sorties, killing nine men and wounding around 60. Israeli
pilot reports to base: "Great, wonderful, she's burning, she's
burning."

1409: Captain Joe Tully of the USS Saratoga acknowledges call for help,
dispatches four F-4 Phantom jets, and informs Liberty that help is on the way.
Within minutes U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert MacNamara orders rescue jets to
return: : "Tell Sixth Fleet to get those aircraft back
immediately." Rear Admiral Geis relays message and tells them to re-launch
jets in 90 minutes.

1424: Three French-built 62-ton Israeli motor torpedo boats approach Liberty in
attack formation. Because the Israeli fighters had destroyed the American flag,
Captain McGonagle orders the signalman to hoist the "holiday ensign,"
the largest flag the ship has.

1435: Torpedo boats launch five German-made 19-inch torpedoes at Liberty.
One torpedo strikes starboard directly into NSA area, accounting for 25 of the
34 men who would be killed. Torpedo boats then circle, machine-gunning the ship
with armor-piercing projectiles for another 40 minutes.

1450: Commander of Sixth Fleet orders carriers USS America and USS Saratoga to
send aircraft to defend Liberty.

1500: NSA Sigint Command Center receives first notice of the attack from either
the America or Saratoga: "USS Liberty has been reportedly torpedoed by
unknown source in Med near 32N 33E. Request examine all communications for
possible reaction/reflections and report accordingly."

1505: Message sent to Liberty from Sixth Fleet: "Sending aircraft to cover
you. Surface units on the way." Liberty is off the air and does not
receive the message.

1511: First "official" notice that Liberty is under attack reaches
National Military Command Center in Washington.

1515: After the order to "prepare to abandon ship" comes over the
loudspeaker system, the lifeboats are lowered into the water. Israeli torpedo
boats move in closer and fire on them, as well as those still on deck, making
them all unusable. "I watched with horror as the floating life rafts were
riddled with holes," recalled Lieutenant Lloyd Painter, in charge of the
evacuation. Said Petty Officer Rowley, who also witnessed the event: "They
didn't want anyone to live." After destroying the life rafts, the Israeli
boats departed. Next, two Israeli SA-321 Super Frelon Hornet assault
helicopters carrying soldiers in battle dress circle ship several times, then
depart.

1600: Liberty transmits: "Flash, flash, flash. I pass in the blind. We
are under attack by aircraft and high-speed surface craft." Deputy
Director Louis Tordella is informed by Deputy Director of Joint Reconnaissance
Center, Captain Vineyard, that "consideration was then being given by some
unnamed Washington authorities to sink the Liberty in order that newspaper men
would be unable to photograph her and thus inflame public opinion against the
Israelis." Tordella makes an "impolite" comment about the idea,
writes a memo of the conversation for the record, and stores it away.

1639: Secretary of Defense McNamara again orders rescue planes recalled;
order is confirmed by President Johnson because "we are not going to
embarrass an ally." Naval Air Attaché at U.S. embassy in Tel Aviv,
Commander Ernest Castle, is summoned to Israeli Defense Forces headquarters.

1729: Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis, commander of the Sixth Fleet in the
Mediterranean, protests decision to recall rescue planes to Secretary of
Defense McNamara. At that point President Johnson comes on the phone and says
he didn't care if the ship sunk, he would not embarrass his allies. Admiral Geis
tells Lt. Commander David Lewis, head of the Liberty's NSA group, of the
remark, but asks him not to repeat it until after he dies. It is a promise
Lewis will honor.

9 June 1967:

After midnight: Soviet guided missile
destroyer sends flashing-light message in English: "Do you need
help?" Liberty responds: "No thank you." Soviets answer: "I
will stand by in case you need me."

0600: USS Navy destroyers Davis and Massey
arrive.

Mid-morning: Dead and wounded are evacuated by helicopter.

1450: Israeli Lt. Col. Michael Bloch telephones Commander Castle that Liberty, because
it was not flying a flag, had been mistaken for the Egyptian supply ship El
Queseir. State Department assures Congress that attack was accidental.

10 June 1967: Vice Admiral McCain orders Rear Admiral Isaac Kidd to convene
Navy Court of Inquiry.

11 June 1967: Admiral Kidd boards Liberty
with small staff to head Navy Court of Inquiry.

14 June 1967: Liberty arrives in Malta. Total
news blackout imposed. Rear Admiral Kidd warns crew: "You are never,
repeat never, to discuss this with anyone, not even your wives. If you do, you
will be court-martialed and will end your lives in prison or worse."
Secretary of Defense McNamara informs media that, "Department of Defense
will have no further comment."

15 June 1967: Secretary of State Dean Rusk
tells NATO ambassadors in Luxembourg that Israel's attack was deliberate. His
remark is reported in European, but not U.S. papers.

18 June 1967: Israeli Court of Inquiry
exonerates Israeli government and all those involved, saying that its torpedo
boats erroneously reported the Liberty's speed at 30 knots instead of 5, and
that the Liberty flew no flag and had no identifying markings. Later, Israel
will honor Motor Torpedo Boat 203, the one that fired the deadly torpedo at the
Liberty, by putting its wheel and bell on display in its naval museum, among
those maritime items of which it is most proud.

July 1967: Shortly after the burial of six
Liberty crewmen in Arlington National Cemetery, a monument is erected
describing the six as having "Died in the Eastern Mediterranean."
Liberty survivors complain that the marking is evasive and improper.

September 1967: State Department legal
adviser Carl Salans finds many discrepancies with the Israeli report. His
report is classified Top Secret.

11 June 1968: Captain McGonagle is awarded
the Congressional Medal of Honor. The Medal, usually presented by the President
of the United States at the White House, is presented by the Secretary of the
Navy during a hastily arranged ceremony at the Washington D.C. Navy Yard.
Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, the Chief of Naval Operations, calls the way the
Medal is presented a back-handed slap. "Everyone else received their medal
at the White House," Moorer will later observe. "President Johnson
must have been concerned about the reaction of the Israeli lobby."

1980: National Security Agency Director
Marshall Carter tells investigative author James Bamford that, regarding the
attack on the Liberty, "There was no other answer than that it was
deliberate."

1981: National Security Agency review,
"Attack on a Sigint Collector, the USS Liberty Incident," rejects the
Israeli Court of Inquiry's "mistake" theory and accuses Israeli
fighter pilots and torpedo boat crewmen and commanders of perjury.

1982: Israeli senior lead pilot approaches
former Congressman Pete McCloskey and admits that he recognized the Liberty as
American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the
American flag and continue his attack. He said he refused to do so and returned
to base, where he was arrested.

6 October 1982: A new headstone for the six
Liberty crew members at Arlington National Cemetery is unveiled. This one
reads: "Killed USS Liberty June 8, 1967."

1986: Lt. Commander Walter H. Jacobsen writes
in Naval Law Review: "To speculate on the motives of an attack group that
uses unmarked planes and deprives helpless survivors of life rafts raises
disturbing possibilities, including the one that the Liberty crew was not meant
to survive the attack..."

6 November 1991: Columnists Evans and Novak
publish interview with Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967, in
which Porter says that during or immediately after the attack on the Liberty
the CIA station chief showed him transcripts of intercepted Israeli messages.
One has Israel ordering the attack on the Liberty, another has an Israeli pilot
replying it's an American ship. When the order to attack is repeated, the pilot
insists he can see the American flag. The pilot is told again: "Attack
it."

8 June 1997: Adm. Thomas H. Moorer, appointed
Chief of Naval Operations shortly after the attack on the Liberty, tells a
reunion of survivors: "I have to conclude that it was Israel's intent to
sink the Liberty and leave as few survivors as possible. Israel knew perfectly
well that the ship was American."

November 1998: Captain McGonagle breaks his
long silence: "After many years I finally believe that the attack was
deliberate. I don't think there has been an adequate investigation of the
incident . . . The flag was flying prior to the attack..." McGonagle will
die four months later, on March 3, 1999.

Note: Lyndon Johnson was a closet Jew, a rabid Zionist and a traitor to America.

Ralphie: Seems that you haven't changed after all. Why don't you try to provide a more balanced view and let people decide for themselves? The answer, unfortunately is self-evident.

Sources claiming attack was a mistake

• US tapes confirm Israel's '67 attack on 'Liberty' was accidental
• The Liberty Incident, by A. Jay Cristol
• The USS Liberty: Case Closed Azure article by Michael Oren
• Michael Oren's "Six Days of War." Ballantine Books, 2003, p. 263–271
• Memos show Liberty attack was an error Haaretz article by Nathan Guttman
• Return of the USS Liberty Critique of Bamford's "Body of Secrets" from Honest Reporting
• Bamford Bashes Israel: Conspiracy Theorist Claims Attack on USS Liberty Intentional from the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America
• The USS Liberty Attack from the Anti-Defamation League
• USS Liberty: Israel Did Not Intend to Bomb the Ship by A. Jay Cristol
• USS Liberty on www.sixdaywar.org
• USS 'Liberty' hit was unintentional, says CIA

[edit]Sources claiming attack was deliberate

Survivors of the attack

• USS Liberty Veterans Association website
• USS Liberty Memorial, by survivor Jim Ennes. This site includes a wide variety of documents, photographs, statements by survivors, and responses to authors who argue that the attack was a mistake.
• USS Liberty, by John Gidusko, former Electronics Material Officer aboard the USS Liberty before the attack.
• Assault on Liberty Still Covered Up After 26 Years by Jim Ennes at Washington-Report
• Dead in the Water BBC documentary (2002).
• BrasscheckTV Documentary Video: "Loss of Liberty—The Israeli Attack on the USS Liberty"
• 43 Years After Surviving Israeli Attack on USS Liberty, US Veteran Joe Meadors Seized by Israeli Forces on Gaza Aid Flotilla - video report by Democracy Now!
• The Assault on the Liberty: The True Story of the Israeli Attack on an American Intelligence Ship, online ebook.

From Wikipedia.

You don't sink life rafts by accident. People didn't do that in the second world war. So even if they didn't know who the ship belonged to, it is obvious the bastards wanted to leave no witnesses. People who insist this was an accident based on what we know are totally one sided bigots in their defense of Israel. The ship was helpless against the planes that we probably gave to the murdering swine.

I am an old US naval flyer and I don,t know anyone that would have done what they did. Wounded or helpless men or more trouble to an enemy than dead ones. I will not forget the men of the USS Liberty and many had no doubt that they were attacked because they might survey something the Israelis didn't want known.

Basil - You are posting coverups written by Jews. My post was written by the people who were actually attacked. Earlier in the day of the attack, Israeli planes circled the Liberty and the pilots waved at the crewmen of the Liberty, who then waved back. That is how close they were. There was no mistake. The Israelis knew they were attacking an American ship.

In case you forgot to read my post, here are a few key exerpts.

1982: Israeli senior lead pilot approaches
former Congressman Pete McCloskey and admits that he recognized the Liberty as
American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the
American flag and continue his attack. He said he refused to do so and returned
to base, where he was arrested.

6 November 1991: Columnists Evans and Novak
publish interview with Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967, in
which Porter says that during or immediately after the attack on the Liberty
the CIA station chief showed him transcripts of intercepted Israeli messages.
One has Israel ordering the attack on the Liberty, another has an Israeli pilot
replying it's an American ship. When the order to attack is repeated, the pilot
insists he can see the American flag. The pilot is told again: "Attack
it."

Now Basil, are you calling our own sailors and CIA liars?

Did you read the comments of the Jew Lyndon Johnson?

1729: Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis, commander of the Sixth Fleet in the
Mediterranean, protests decision to recall rescue planes to Secretary of
Defense McNamara. At that point President Johnson comes on the phone and says
he didn't care if the ship sunk, he would not embarrass his allies. Admiral Geis
tells Lt. Commander David Lewis, head of the Liberty's NSA group, of the
remark, but asks him not to repeat it until after he dies. It is a promise
Lewis will honor.

Johnson was a Zionist/Jew and ordered the whitewash and coverup of Israel's treachery. We must never put another Zionist/Jew in a position of power in our government. They cannot be trusted. We did it again when Bush put Wolfowitz, Feith, Abrams, Wurmser and a few other neocon Jews in the Pentagon, where they manufactured lies about WMD in Iraq. Zionists care only for Israel and other Jews. They could care less about the US, except how to use us to further their agenda. Right now their agenda calls for the US to attack Iran..

Howy... I treasure that poem also. It's by Martin Niemöller. Niemoller was a German, a Protestant clergyman who originally had supported Hitler but became disenchanted as Hitler's politics became more extreme and discriminatory. He spoke out against the discriminations and was arrested and sent to Dachau in 1939 and was not released until WWII was won by the Allies in 1945.

It was while he was in that concentration camp that he wrote this poem which has been quoted many times.

I cannot believe others who read this article spew their anti-Semitism. They hide behind their absurd nics and think they won't be caught. They will. These comments are revealing of who and what we are because we think we are hidden. Don't let us kid ourselves. Our true character reveals itself in the real world in ways we don't realize.

The time will come when no one will speak up for them.

I am so sick and tired of people like you equating anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism.

For one thing, Palestinians are also Semites, so for that word to have been commandeered by those seeking to continue playing victim is appalling.

Secondly, try going on youtube and looking up the number of videos available, or better yet, expanding your horizon by subscribing to several Palestinian sites to see videos as I have seen with my own eyes that have shown

military officers strapping a Palestinian child to the hood of their armored personnel carrier to protect themselves from having rocks thrown at them,

beating CHILDREN for throwing rocks at their vehicle,

holding down and BREAKING THE ARMS of children caught throwing rocks at their vehicle,

opening fire on unarmed, peaceful protesters,

raiding the homes of those in the Occupied Territories and brutalizing the unarmed occupants,

soldiers standing idly by as Jewish children beat and throw rocks at Palestinian schoolgirls walking on a street,

soldiers refusing to let even elderly, sick and infirm Palestinians through checkpoints (some dying at these checkpoints)

and on, and on.

Put US soldiers in place of Israelis, put Iraqi or Afghan children in place of Palestinian children and tell me, would you still justify ANY of the actions above? As far as I (and a growing part of the world is concerned) the Israelis have used up their "victimhood". That doesn't make us anti-Semites.

What happened to this young Palestinian goes on every day in the Occupied Territories.

German unltra-Nationalism GAVE RISE to fascism (and the slaughter of millions of Jews - and others). What we are seeing is ABSOLUTELY THE SAME THING: Hitler played on the "victimization" of Germans after World War I, instilled fear of "the other (in this case Jews)" and then built an army on national pride and a sense of ethnic superiority, justifying the extermination during the Holocaust. Please explain to me how this is different than the EARLY days of the Nazi regime (the Holocaust and Jewish hate didn't take place overnight. It was a well-coordinated and drawn out PR project.)

You can continue to be blinded by YOUR bigotry as long as you wish but far too many of us have opened our eyes.

I also grow tired of anyone critical of Israel being categorized as hateful towards Jews, and put in the same category as Hitler in WWII. While the atrocities committed during WWII should never be forgotten, it is not an excuse for the aggression Israel displays towards its neighbors. I also find it disturbing that we continue to fund Israel with billions of dollars, to ultimately support their military. Perhaps without our money, Israel would have to seek peaceful solutions to the problems they encounter, and we might see some change in the Middle East.

aggression Israel displays towards its neighbors.

Please give an example of unsolicited aggresion by the state of Israel against its neighbors

Perhaps without our money, Israel would have to seek peaceful solutions to the problems they encounter, and we might see some change in the Middle East.

90% of this money is used by Israel to buy weapons from the US--I suggest you think about the american jobs supported by this

Secondly, the US recieves top notch intelligence from Israel in return for this money. As the only democracy in the region, and a powerful ally, the US would be stupid to turn its back on Israel and allow the likes of hamas to overwhelm the region

the thinking that isolationalism will solve our problems went out with WW2

Harts, I'm married to a jew, but I sure don't like many of Israel's policies. There is plenty of blame on both sides. This in no way makes me anti-semetic. No more than I'm anti-persian for disagreeing with the actions of the Iranian government.

Eric:

I would give Israel's behavior in the occupied territories as one example.

Isn't it also odd to give our money (tax dollars) away, so they will buy our military goods, thus making jobs? Couldn't we just keep our money at home and use it to produce jobs, or perhaps give tax breaks to those that own businesses so they can make more jobs. Kind of circular logic on your part, isn't it?

A powerful ally? I think that could be argued. How many times have Israel's military actions created diplomatic dilemmas for the U.S.? Allies don't do usually do that, do they?

Isolationism? Where do you come up with that in my comment? I would just prefer to partner with other countries where there is two way benefit, and I'm not talking only about Israel.

I would give Israel's behavior in the occupied territories as one example.

How about a specific example? I see that behavior as being tolerant-much more so than the behavior of the arabs when jews did not have a homeland?

As myself and others have pointed out here, there are arab members of the knesset, etc

Isn't it also odd to give our money (tax dollars) away, so they will buy our military goods, thus making jobs? Couldn't we just keep our money at home and use it to produce jobs, or perhaps give tax breaks to those that own businesses so they can make more jobs.

Sure, but I wish money just equaled jobs--theyre not that easy to create

Kind of circular logic on your part, isn't it?

No. I suggest you look up the definition of circular logic. Even if you think the money could be better spent elsewhere, it doesn't mean i think that the US providing money to israel is "circular logic"

A powerful ally? I think that could be argued. How many times have Israel's military actions created diplomatic dilemmas for the U.S.? Allies don't do usually do that, do they?

Not often. Not with countries that didn't have a problem with the US anyway. Don't fool yourself into thinking Iran would be our friends if not for Israel. And there are things more important in this world than "diplomatic dillemas".

Isolationism? Where do you come up with that in my comment? I would just prefer to partner with other countries where there is two way benefit, and I'm not talking only about Israel.

Ive mentioned some of the benefits (supporting the only democracy in the middle east, valuable intelligence about our mutual enemies, etc)

We all know Israel is under attack daily and every Muslim country wants to wipe Israel and the Jews off the face of the earth. It's past time for the Muslims and the rest of the world to understand Israel has the right and moral obligation to defend herself. Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish Nation. She is backed into a corner now and these Israeli Jewish teens have grown up watching their countrymen women and children blown to bits by Arabs and muslim terrorists and hears Muslim leaders talk about destroying Israel and killing all Jews. I don't condone what they did, but I understand their actions. I would tell them to save it until they are in the Israeli Army and then send them home.

@ Calvin.. strange how those daily attacks just about never get a broad headline such as given to this one incident.

The media.. doesn't seem to like Israel..all that much. Israel continues to be the only stable civilized nation in the middle east and the MSM dogs the heck out of them.

Meanwhile..Israel endures repeated terrorist attacks and has to resort to building bomb shelter cities. Yep..the Israelis basically have had enough.

Eric you are a brain washed puppet and it's obvious you have no regard for truth or real values. Nothing any country, including America, has don justifies Israel's evil and atrocities. Also, the American media is almost Jewish dominated. That's on reason our politicians are so afraid of the Israeli lobby.We try to justify every thing done by Israel.

Being a Jew does not justify trying to defend every thing Israel does. I am a christian and an American; but, I will never try to justify atrocities by my country or my religion. What we did to the natives of America was ungodly and you could list hundreds of evil acts that we are committing right now. When truth becomes second to religion or country you have sold the farm and have no ground to stand on.

frank, you need some more tinfoil in your hat. the atrocities are being committed by both sides.

Eric you are a brain washed puppet and it's obvious you have no regard for truth or real values.

maybe, but at least I have regard for the rules I said I would abide by when I agreed to the CoH for this website. You just violated those rules and now will be reported.

There were no facts in your post and nothing worth replying to

Eric:How about this rule? "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

frank,

are you really suggesting that I did something first that you are reacting to? Please quote in then, by all means

Eric:How about this rule? "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

lets see, the arab response to the UN creation of Israel and the declaration of Israeli independence was a campaign of attempted extermination by the surrounding Arab countries.

yep, sounds like Israel is doing unto others exactly what they are trying to do to Israel. they have been trying to "run the jews into the sea" since Israels inception.

So Benet: I'm assuming you are referring to all Israelis, the majority of Israelis, or even a large minority. Have you ever been to Israel? Have you ever met any Israelis? Do Palestinian's or Arabs in general love Jews? Is your message here one of tolerance? Sounds hypocritical to me. Regards to the White Aryan Nation.

I am referring to the culture that has become Israel in the middle east. That little girl used the hate she knew existed to have those young boys attempt to murder other young boys. They were young and they will grow up and do something terrible with that hate. And for the record: I have seen pictures of Poland in circa 1930's and I have seen pictures of the Palestinian authority in the 2000s. They look so similar, one looks like a Color version of the Black and White. And as a point of interest I am Latin...very Latin. You are not very good at the whole assuming thing.

have seen pictures of Poland in circa 1930's and I have seen pictures of the Palestinian authority in the 2000s. They look so similar, one looks like a Color version of the Black and White.

Case closed! You saw pictures! Im convinced!

You've seen pictures? WOW. Now you're an expert on Jewish culture. Sorry, you're not a very good example of your own esteemed and accomplished culture. Benet, do yourself a favor - go to Israel and experience the culture firsthand. Then get back to me and tell me what you think.

Basil is a Troll.

Basil is more like an Israeli operative.

I have met many Israelis and many Palestinians. If you think unarmed Palestinians were not driven of land they had lived on for hundreds of years, then its you who are in total denial. Also, if the culture is so great why are so many of them coming here and not going back?

One thing we know for sure is that Israel has cost America hundreds of billions in cash and mountains of hatred. We also know that our prostitute politicians are scared to death of the Israel lobby because they will spend millions against anyone that doesn't kiss their butt.

Israelis enjoy free education, free medical care, low and 0% interest loans for housing and many benefits that are too good for Americans. If we supported and avowed Hindu group or any other religious state the way we do Israel ever Jewish lawyer in America would scream and they would be right to do so.

The tiny country of Israel is the number two arms dealer in the world and we are the number one. That is not a very pretty picture and it doesn't sound like the innocent culture you allude to. The Palestinians had nothing to do with the Holocaust. Why should they pay the price for it.

We need to start watching out for own people. We did not elect these politicians to serve Israel. In short they have used us like a bunch of dummies and some of us are tired of it.

frank, when israel declared independance, 500,000 jews were forcibly driven from their homes and had their land and property stolen in arab countries across the ME, yet nobody says a peep, all they can do is whine "jew,jew,jew".

the point being nobody is remotely close to being "the innocent victim"

I have in no way implied that others have not committed atrocities.

Probably true, but this is also a failure with our parenting skills and the fact that we let anyone be a parent.

Pippo, you've given me an idea...

I hereby claim Patent on Cruelty, Violence and Terrorism.

Anyone engaging in any of these without my express, written consent is in violation of this Patent, and must cease and desist all activities that could be deemed Cruel, Violent or intending to cause terror. Violators who do not comply with this edict must be sued for Patent violations.

This extends to both civilians, military, corporations, individuals and governments.

so who are you suggesting decides who is a parent? Evidently you want government to dictate your every move? suggest you move to China they have strict controls on those who have children. If you grew up in Isreal and had to deal with the rocket attacks, several wars, suicide bombers, in your short life time, I doubt you would be feeling the love.

@sfox - We have the largest Prison system in the world. The United States houses more prisoners than Russia or China. Think about that for a moment. So your proposition is that letting just any idiot be a parent is working out so well that to suggest there be a licensing process would only hurt the great run we are on? Perhaps we should just let anyone drive a car and skip the whole licensing thing, or maybe let any passenger fly the plane in return for free airfare? Because doing those things are so much easier than raising a child who can grow up to do some real damage.

And I know this, if I walked over there and slapped you...your reaction would be to strike back. We had a plane kill 3000 people on 911 and in response we killed 100s of thousands in two countries that had nothing to do with it. (Remember we were attacked by Saudi Nationals?!?!) And yet you find it impossible to rationalize why those in Palestine might be a little upset? I have heard all the arguments...but as long as you start with a sword you will never see a dove. That is a fact.

Palestine might be a little upset? I have heard all the arguments...but as long as you start with a sword you will never see a dove. That is a fact.

Terrorism is never the answer. Firing rockets indiscriminately into cities is never the answer. Suicide bombing a market crowded with civilians is never the answer

And don't try and tell me "well, israel is guilty of terrorism too" because its a lie. And even if it was true, thats hardly an excuse to do the same

If Palestine would stop firing rockets, stop all terrorist acts, renounce Hamas (who is their elected government now by the way) even the US would be hard pressed to not side with them

But they cant

I have never heard such an utter disregard for human life, however watching Fox news has gotten me used to this level of misstatement of facts. Hardly worth rebuttal.

Israel is a terrorist state. They took the land from an unarmed people. The have propagandized, murdered, tortured and done about anything you can imagine. Eric: you are the biased one and you are what you are calling others: A cold blood liar.

In life we all tend to reap what we sow. Israel is sowing the seeds if its' own destruction.

reported

...and the intelligence services of every country does the same or would do the same if faced with threats of annihilation. It's called survival. Singling out Israel in this regard is clearly bigoted, especially because the incident has nothing to do with the Mossad or Government policy. So what's your point? I'm certain there will be other forums where you can preach your hatred and have it bear some reasonable connection with the topic at hand.

Fortunately, the rest of the world doesn't look at anyone that disagrees with them as an enemy worthy of elimination.

Where's the hatred in quoting a jewish holocaust survivor.

Basil Romano you are absolutely correct and express the issue well. "Scientist" is showing himself as a foolish opposite of his self-styled nic. He hasn't the remotest conception of the objectivity which is associated with the actual scientific mind.

And toyo... a "holocaust survivor" who makes the statement as quoted may well have survived as a Nazi who escaped the results of the legalities by the Allies after the war...

I had actually come to a point in my life where I, though ignorantly I guess, believed that humanity had achieved the ability to be fair. Non-accusatory. So many of these posts have proven me wrong.

And, yes, I must, too, be unfair because they anger me. It's hard to be objective and fair when we are emotional about another's failings.

If having a covert intelligence agency that kills people overseas makes a country a "terrorist state," I don't think Israel is the only "terrorist state" in the world...

Jeff9687, true but then Israel has lost its moral high ground. Because then it's not a far stretch to justify anything.

What does the Mossad have to do with teenagers?

Nobody said Israel was the only terrorist stae. Must we cover every evil in the world before we dare point out some obvious things about Israel?

Yes the same way that if the story was 6 White Kids jumped a 45 year old Black man.

The difference is that these israeli kids were screaming 'death to arabs'.

That's the one difference between hitting someone when you're bored, and lynching someone because of his origin.

really michael?

thats a significant difference? Both are equally horrific

harleyguy, It is called a "lynching" because that is what the Israeli government and media call it. If you had bothered to read the story instead of jumping to write your race baiting bs you would have avoided revealing that you are a fool...

When a person tries to defend an indefencable position they are a fool and there is no way to hide it. Your idea that black kids beating a white man half to death will be treated tenderly is absurd.

You missed one very important point.

Before it was called Israeli, it was called Palstine.

Howy:

If the link below doesn't work go on you tube and type in
the following title.

Hamas official reveals where
Palestinians came from

Corrupt Language Breeds Bad History and Bad
Policy

Bruce Thornton - Advancingafreesociety.org - May 22, 2011

"...the false
history and its false vocabulary are now taken for reality and made the basis
of policy."

As
the
history
of communism and fascism both illustrate, modern political tyranny has relied
on fabricated history to legitimize its claims and actions, and such history in
turn relies on the debasement of language. Nowhere is this axiom more evident
than in the conflict between Israel and the Arabs––so much so that, as Obama’s
recent remarks about Israel show, the false history and its false vocabulary
are now taken for reality and made the basis of policy.

Start
with the use of “borders” to describe what is in fact the armistice line
marking the farthest advance of the five Arab armies that invaded Israel in
1948. That line is not an international “border” in the strict sense of a line
dividing one sovereign state from another. The territory in question was never
a state. Once a state is established, then the international border will be
settled by negotiations. As Israeli ambassador Dore Gold points out, U.N.
resolution 242, as well as later agreements such as the 1993 Oslo Accords,
preserves this “flexibility for creating new borders.”

Then
there’s “occupation,” used to describe the Israeli presence in the West Bank,
itself a misleading term that obscures the historical fact that this region is
Judea and Samaria, the heartland of the ancient Jewish state. Aside from that,
using “occupation” to describe Israel’s control over a disputed territory whose
final status will be determined by negotiation evokes misleading analogies with
historical events like the Nazi occupation of France during World War II, or
the Soviet occupation of the Eastern bloc during the Cold War. But that analogy
is false: Germany and Russia invaded and then occupied sovereign nations
defined by international borders. Israel ended up in the West Bank territories
as the result of a defensive war against aggressors. Israel’s continuing
control is a defensive necessity, just as after World War I the traditional
launching pad for German aggression against France, the Rhineland, was
demilitarized and subject to Allied military control. Indeed, the Allied decision
to evacuate their forces from the Rhineland was one of many mistakes that led
to World War II. Given that central Israel is only 9 miles wide from the
Mediterranean to the West Bank, it is understandable that it is cautious about
losing control over the traditional Arab launching pad for invasion.

“Palestinian
homeland” is another particularly loaded and historically false phrase.
“Palestine” was the name of a multi-ethnic Roman, Byzantine, Arab, and Ottoman
province, not a people. The name itself reflects Rome’s attempt to alter
historical reality with language. After the destruction of Israel as a
political entity and the scattering of its people in the 2nd Century A.D., the
Romans renamed the territory “Palestine” after the Philistines, a people that
once lived in the region but had been absorbed into other groups for centuries.
Thus the Romans subjected the Jews to a collective damnatio memoriae, the
practice of erasing all public mention or record of an enemy to the Roman
state––exactly what the Arabs have been trying to do to Israel for the last 60
years by denying its historical ties to the land.

Likewise,
just as the Romans named the land after a people that no longer existed, so too
calling the current Arab inhabitants “Palestinians” perpetuates a similar
historical fraud. What constitute a people are a shared language, culture,
customs, traditions, and history distinct enough to set them apart from others.
By these criteria, there is no such thing as “Palestinians.” The average Arab
living in Israel or the West Bank is no more significantly distinct from one
living in Syria, Jordan, or Egypt than a resident from California is
significantly distinct from a resident of Arizona or Nevada. Whatever
differences that do exist do not trump the more important similarities, and
reflect rather the refusal of surrounding Arab nations to integrate their Arab
brothers into their own countries, instead constructing a Palestinian identity
based on victimhood, humiliation, and failure.

That’s
why before 1967, no one talked about “Palestinians” as a distinct people
deserving a homeland, and the Jordanians did not create a Palestinian state
when they controlled the West Bank. That notion of a “Palestinian state” arose
after the Arab defeats in the 1967 Six Day War and the 1973 Yom Kippur War.
Once those debacles made it clear the Arabs could not destroy Israel by force,
the tactic shifted to making the issue one of national self-determination as a
way of chipping away at Israel’s territorial integrity and international
support.

Finally,
the claim that the territory inhabited by Israel is the traditional “homeland”
of those whom we call Palestinians is false. The majority of Arabs who have
lived or are living in Israel and the West Bank are there as the descendants of
conquerors, colonizers, and immigrants. Many of them came after Zionists began
in the 19th Century to develop a mostly desolate, neglected land and to create
economic opportunities. History and archaeology tell us that the territory
comprising Israel and the West Bank is the traditional homeland of the Jewish
people, not a mythical Palestinian people.

The
misleading and false language used to describe the conflict between Israel and
the countries that have tried to destroy it obscures the actual causes of Arab
hatred of Israel, which in turn creates bad policies pursuing false solutions.
A Palestinian state will not bring peace to the region, for the simple reason
that a critical mass of Arabs does not want Israel to exist.

typical zionist rewriting of history to suit their greedy ends.

Stefan: As i posted above, please get a palestinian's viewpoint on the matter. Go to You Tube and type in the sentence I wrote above. Then get back to all of us and tell us what you think. We're all looking forward to benefitting from your "intellect." I'm certain you'll come up with some irrational, neo-nazi explanation.

Citations please.

So youtube somehow contains unquestioning facts now?

cyberflor:

It's funny how you totally forget to name all the massacres that Israel committed (Deir Yassin, Sabra & Chatila, etc...), their violations of human rights (torture by the Shin Bet) and Geneva conventions (settlements), the fact that for many years palestinians didn't even have a right to display their own flag, the fact that even *Israeli* arabs weren't allowed to buy land in many areas of Israel until very recently and still are being discriminated against today, the complete discrimination towards palestinians in terms of water allocation, etc...

Israel is a terrorist and apartheid state, the facts over the year have established that very clearly. Does that mean the palestinians are innocent virgins ? No. But that still doesn't change the fact that Israel is a terrorist and apartheid state.

Ignore Basil, more hatred spewing from that mouth than anywhere else.

massacres that Israel committed

these are no more massacres than anything the US has done...

their violations of human rights (torture by the Shin Bet)

gitmo for the US. Many other countries use torture as an interrogation technique. Im not condoning it, but lots of countries besides Israel use it. To single them out shows bias

many years palestinians didn't even have a right to display their own flag

the fact that even *Israeli* arabs weren't allowed to buy land in many areas of Israel until very recently

are being discriminated against today, the complete discrimination towards palestinians in terms of water allocation, etc...

source?

toyotruck: Go to You Tube and type in:

Hamas official reveals where Palestinians came from

I'd like to hear back from you after you watch this.

Anti-Semites can also be spelled Pro-Ignorant.

The word "Palestine" is from the Roman word Philistia and was accorded to the land of the Eastern Mediterranean Sea by the Romans about 300 to 500 B.C., based on the earlier Phoenicians (this is about 3,000 or 4,000 years ago so you poorly educated bigots can get the picture).

The area was already occupied by tribes from Ur of Mesopotamia who escaped from there because of their monotheism (meaning belief in one God not the multiple gods of the surrounding pagan environments).

These tribes were called Hebrews and were settled in Canaan where Jerusalem is situated, before the Greeks, then the Romans, and the Roman name referred to pagan nomads on the coast called Philistines. It did not refer to the inland where Hebrew settlements were located.

Down through the centuries European adventurers and explorers from other countries just adapted the word to refer more simply to "unexplored land."

The Philistines of today more than embody the original meaning of the word, and we who speak English use it in that sense quite frequently.

n.

1. A member of an Aegean people who settled ancient Philistia around the 12th century B.C.
2. 1. A smug, ignorant, especially a lower middle-class person who is regarded as being indifferent or antagonistic to artistic and cultural values.
   2. One who lacks knowledge in a specific area.

adj.

1. Of or relating to ancient Philistia.
2. often philistine Boorish; barbarous: "our plastic, violent culture, with its philistine tastes and hunger for novelty" (Lloyd Rose).

Read more: www.answers.com/topic/philistines#ixzz24D77eMLX

I have to laugh at how appropriate it is to the anti-Semites and Arabs who so explicitly define themselves in these comments.

Try being a white boy, walking down the sidewalk, at night, in parts of L A, nothing happens to the people who shoot, stab, kick, rob him, and call him every name in the book, yes in America, lets, worry about the USA, before we gudge other countrys actions.

oh, you do 't know? according to zionism, and the cheif rabbi of israel, and the rabbi of netanyahu, all non-jews on the planet are inferior slaves here to be barely tolerated to serve the jewish god given right to rule the world. the rabbi lamented that indeed there are almost too many to tolerate, but remember, we are their masters.

And I suppose none of you, in an argument... have never said, "I could kill you for that." ??? sheesh... the phrase is used constantly in these United States and is never meant literally, and you darn well known that TIDubai...

That's your idea of being a peaceful Muslim? You would reeeeelly like to start something with your bigoted comments.

stefan - What the hell have you been smoking? First of all the Jewish God is the same as the Christian God, and secondly show me ONE quote - JUST ONE - of any Rabbi or Jewish leader EVER saying non-Jews are inferior slaves to be barely tolerated. I think you have it backwards, that was what the Nazi's said about the Jews, and far worse things.

I suggest you go back to school and concentrate on history. Stop listening to ignorant people and learn acceptance and tolerance.

What those Israeli boys did was clearly wrong, but don't be spewing out untrue hateful statements just because you hate Jews. Your prejudice is showing!

DevAvo -

I saw graffiti in the Israeli settlement of Hebron that said "GAS THE ARABS" signed by the JDL. Some settlers clearly think as much.

Gen,

Those do not stand for the entire nation, or the country.

Read up on it...the UN did it...and it was the historical land of their fathers. Your comment makes no sense. It would be like suggesting American Indians set up shop in the Australian outback and leave the USA to us. What are you thinking?

america is a blood soaked land. the 'pilgrims' and europeans commited the most successful genocide in the world, killing 98% of the original inhabitants, and then declare it is 'god's chosen country'. the 'jerusalem syndrome'. according to members of the zionist congress of geneva in 1897 a dlegation sent to palestine reported back "the bride is beatiful, but she is married to another man". but the zionist don't see arabs as people, but animals, so they call it a land with no people...

israel is the biggest receiver of foreign aid ever in modern history. they make a profit off the occupation, which is paid for by the US, the EU, and the UN.

they don't want iran it's legal right to pursue nuclear weapons, but israel has 'secret' nuclear weapons, thanks to apartheid south africa and threatens to wipe iran off the map. does anybody really think that iran would bomb israel, and kill thousands of arabs as well? of course not. but nobody looks at this issue realistically. israel is a giant parasite.

So what fi the U.N did it. Do you think the U.N is always in the right and does nothing to pander to the powers that be. Do you think that really makes sense in the reality of today?

And you comparison with American indians is a crock. The indians were here first, Israel was not there first. So your comparison is a false equivalency. The only way that would make sense in comparison to UDunnoBro's comment is if you advocated for American's to leave and let the Indians stay. But I know where your coming from. Circular logic is a useful tool when trying to justify the acts of Israel on the world stage.

And you comparison with American indians is a crock. The indians were here first, Israel was not there first. So your comparison is a false equivalency

why is that a significant distinction?

.

udunno fer sure... I provided an overview or the origins of Palestine a comment or two above.

And Eric... the Hebrews WERE there first aka Israel aka Jews... the pagan tribes who drifted in and out of the area are extinct. The HEBREWS who are ISRAELIS are the only nation on earth still in that land continuously.

The Philistines are a joke and still primitive if you study them. They are Arabs who drifted up there several thousand years after the Hebrews settled there and remained there consistently.

hearts,

I agree with you actually. I believe Israel rightfully belongs to the Jews. I just meant the argument of "i was there first" does not excuse genocide.

However, in no way, shape, or form do I think the Israelis have committed anything close to genocide

Erik (post 16.4)

"Israel was not there first"...really ?

ok, a little history lesson for you . (NOT that you'll listen, but, here goes):

The Israelites left Egypt around the 15th Century B.C. They then conquered the Cannites, Hitties, Emorites, Prizites, Jebusites and the Girge@!$%#es. (please let us know if any of THEM are around, reclaiming their rights to that land).

Do you want something more recent ? ok....

Year 70 A.D. - Israel still in possession. Rome comes and conquers....forcing many Jews (NOT "All") to Spain, Portugal, where they thrive until thrown out, when they migrate north to WESTERN europe where they thrive until thrown out, forcing them to migrate to EASTERN europe, where, of course, we ALL know what happened.

Do THEY get unfettered access to return to their homeland ? Or is that right only reserved for the peoples displaced in 1948 ? OR, are only those who were displaced in 1967 ? (Of course, if we're referring to '67, DO know that the land was NOT a state called "Palestine", it was Egypt (Gaza) and West Bank (Jordan) (who, btw, have never asked for the land back). You might further be interested in the FACT that parts of those SAME lands were used as staging grounds to attack Israel in 1948 (Israel captured it, then gave it back "for peace") THEN, those same lands were used again in the '56 war. (Israel again captured it, and gave it back "for peace"). When '67 came around, Jordan and Egypt told the inhabitants to leave so as to give a free hand to the invading forces - they left, en mass)

Now, I dont know about you, but, when someone uses the same weapon against me 3 times, and i take it away, and give it back and they use it again, come the next time, I'm not giving it back.

OH, and..Stephan (post 16.2)..lol, nooooo, Iran wouldnt kill other Arabs ? Perish the THOUGHT ! Who EVER heard of Arabs killing Arabs ? (LOL)

jeff,

I think youre lecturing the wrong person....

ooops. sorry.

you mean the attack by the group of young Jews on one young man do need to be punished, and it is just as you say.

However, can you see the same objectivity and fairness in Palestine of today if the other way around? I don't think so.

Still, the Jews' law enforcement in Israel are to be commended on how they are handling the situation.

True... and "the friend of my enemy is my enemy" is also worth remembering.

Aw c'mon...you don't hold a little dancing against them? Other than being a bunch of vicious terrorists they're not too bad once you get to know them.

while you're going off on tangents, what were the Israelis doing after their fighter attacked the USS Liberty and killed over 30 Americans? Oh yeah, that was an accident. Their state of the art aircraft, which we sold them, was unable to correctly identify a US Navy ship. Geez. My bad.

But don't you know King. Israel is the consummate victim and will always claim to be, so everyone else is in the wrong no matter what.

Yes Keith... they are the consummate victims, and they are also the consummate survivors. And they survive without the kinds of killings inflicted on them... the Holocaust is only a modern example. They survive with decency and intelligence and learning...

most here and yes maybe me too cannot say that about ourselves.

Kiethsn:

Perhaps WE always claim to be the perennial "victim"...because we are.

Down through history, someone is always there trying to destroy us. The Egyptians; the Hellenists; the Athenians; Greek Assyrians, the Almalekites; the Persians; the Romans. The Progroms (Russians); the Holocaust...

WHY should we "just get over it" when, TODAY there are forces working for our annihilation ? EXCUSE us for not waiting for another Shoah. EXCUSE us for not trusting ANYONE but ourselves with survival.

SURE - you all say "hey, just give back ALL of West Bank and Gaza and there will be peace. Interestingly enough, you ignoramuses are the ONLY ones who've said that. Hammas hasnt, neither has Hezbollah, Iran, or Syria - but we'll believe YOU nonetheless.

Do you KNOW what the demand is "for peace "? DO you ?!?! Let me help:

The complete an total absence of a Jewish State in the area. Period. THAT is the stance of "the Enemy"...and guess what " WE BELIEVE THEM !

BUT THEN, THERE ARE THE "MODERATES" - THEY ASK ONLY FOR:

1. Return of all lands taken in '67. (that includes Gaza, where we've already pulled out 6 years ago); West bank , and the Golan Heights; Problem here, is that it is NOT "just" WB & GAza, but they will need a road connecting them, which cuts Israel in half...nondefensible borders. GOLAN ? have you looked at the topography ? the Golan is high ground and there is no defense to an attack.

2. Return of Jerusalem;

Yes, by ALL means, let's let ppl, committed to our destruction, bring in all the weapons they can, separated by .....a street.

3. Right of return for ALL displaced Palestinians; then outnumbering Israeli 200-1; the end of the Jewish state - period.

4. Reparations. With what money ?

And when ALL of that is done, the terror will continue because "HEY ! It's not US...it's those pesky terrorists - what are we supposed to DO ???"

So, Israel gives up everything for .....what ...peace ? no, they dont even get THAT.

What you dont understand, is that IF Israel gives up all of this, and there is no peace, the rest of the world may suffer to some extent, but the price to Israel is SURVIVAL...and let's be frank, shall we ? the rest of the world wouldnt give a damn. NO nation on the face of the EARTH faces an EXISTENTIAL threat to its existence like Israel does - and it's REAL easy to say "if only Israel would...."when YOU'RE existence is not in peril.

Jeff quit whining......btw did you ever ask why through the years poor Israel is always perscecuted? Does Israel have any other friend besides the USA? Sorry but I am tired of our tax money going to Israel and our citizens do without...no wonder we are your only friend. No other country would be so foolish.

No, Flag waiver (and, btw, WHICH flag ?)

I KNOW why Israel is always prosecuted.

Jealousy and ignorance and them being an easy target.

No matter where the Jews go, they succeed - that is because their "base" is education. They make society better. (e.g., all Jewish Nobel laureates, who invent things that benefit society) (e.g., JEWS being the first whites to sell their hmes to blacks, often in violation of the CC&R's of the day). From there, other peoples get jealous and begin to spread rumors (e.g., gentile blood used to make Matzos) (e.g., since Jews in old times, often were not allowed to own property, they made their livings lending money, but, when it came time for it to be paid back, the Shakesperian "Pound of Flesh" libels abounded); and the ignorant went along because it was a convenient excuse for THEIR own failures.

THEN, of course, there is the argument that "if Israel were not around, there would be no Islamic violence") (hogwash - Mali Kenya Nigeria Yemen Pakistan Sudan Algeria Philippines Somalia Moscow
Tanzania (kidnap and beheading of Christians) Mauritania (kidnap/killing of 4 frenchwomen)
China (Al Queda urging the Muslim minority to engage in Jihad against the Chinese)
Kabul (bombing of the Indian Embassy; Saddam gassing his own people; Sunnis killing Shiitez; Assad, etc., etc.] - NONE having to do with Israel.

WHY, you ask, is the U.S. Israel's only friend ? (I dont agree, but I WILL agree that we have few friends) - WHY ? FEAR - fear that if a country befriends Israel, THEY will be the target of Islamic terror.

"Whining" LOL ! Nothing could be farther from the truth - I am simply stating facts. I am PROUD to be a Jew. I am PROUD to be PRO-Israel (which does NOT mean that I agree with everything Israel does - much like I am a PROUD American, without agreeing with everything that the U.S. does). I AM a ZIONIST, in that the Balflour Declaration AND the U.N. were RIGHT - that Israel is needed because without there would be NO place on earth that Jews can be truly free.

Whining ? NO - Proud ? YES - and nothing that you, or anyone else, through cowardice or ignorance, will change that.

Jeff you live in a dream world..............if it wasn't for the USA Israel would fall apart. We just need to make them the 51st state....that way they wouldn't have all the tax dollars from us...They would see how it is to live without health care for all, most vacation days then any other country (in the USA most are lucky to get a week), great pensions and a better quality of life.

No it isn't fear that the other countries don't befriend Israel. The world has saw you can't trust them. People like you the Zionist are nothing but terrorists. We in the USA don't need this.

@flagwaver...... So the Palestinians and Arabs had desert lands for centuries and the Israelis turned them green, built cities, invented medical wonders and you wonder why people are jealous. You are a pig and ethnic terrorist. Most likely a WASP. Your mama must be so proud.

No, Flag waiver (and, btw, WHICH flag ?)

either the one with a swastika on it or the one with a crescent moon and star on it

People like you the Zionist are nothing but terrorists. We in the USA don't need this.

and people like you are nothing but ignorant idiots

Nanson... wrong... the political philosphy of Zionism? I doubt if you have even read it. In fact, how you put it is the other way around. Period. It was the attacks upon Israel by the Islamics that caused the problems and did after the fall of the Ottoman Empire in WWI...

Read your history.

Nanson: And it is those zionist jews who support freedom of religion. Why don't you quote the Quran as a source of all the problems? Then go visit Israel. I guarantee you'll be able to purchase property, pray in a temple of your choosing, and for once meet a nice girl (or boy). It might change your whole misguided perspective.

or Ohio in 2012....

Anita... you are not keeping up with the news... the threats are originating with Iran ... nuclear bombing threats and they are very specific in those threats. And their threats have been first.

Israel is saying it will defend itself. I will hope they will bomb the place where the nuclear bombs are being built and demolish those bombs. I have read the news articles about the Iranian bomb sites and it is NOT for local "power".... it's too huge; there are too many of them and big attempts to hide the sites. If innocent why would that be? And how their citizens could even adapt to nuclear power in their lives is virtually impossible as the know-how has not been promulgated.

Get with the program Anita. If someone attacked the USA with a nuclear bomb or two or three do you think we should just sit here and take it? If you think we should.. you are excused to go to the origin of the A-bombers and bow and submit to them.

I won't. I will personally fight back with everything I've got as long as I am still alive. I have kids to support and its my job to protect them as best I can.

Amadinejad or whatever spouts this stuff for public consumption at home. Israel is not talking about retaliation though admittedly waiting for a strike first in such a small country would be suicide. Nonetheless, Israel is threantening to preemptively strike Iran knowing full well that the US will have to have to go to war with them. I think we have had enough war for now and there does not seem to be sufficient cause to expect an Iranian attack soon. Iran knows that using a nuclear weapon would be international suicide. Even Russia and China couldn't stand up for them. Like all nations, Iran wants a nuclear weapon to join the big boys club of MAD. Israel can bomb all the sites they want. Iran will eventually have a nuclear weapon (as Israel does) because they have the knowledge and know how. Unless they can be convinced to voluntary suspend development, this genie is out of the bottle.

Anita:

Your quote : "Amadinejad or whatever spouts this stuff for public consumption at home" is fine and good for YOU, sitting in the comfort of your home...what's the price YOU pay if you're wrong ? (after all, YOU know to a certainty what Achmadiajad REALLY means, right ?)

You see, if you ARE wrong, YOU pay no price. Israel pays a bit higher of a price.

DONT blame US if we believe him.

remember the uss liberty before you make this comment..........

Never Forget the attack on the USS LIberty.... our "ally".... tried to sink it and kill everyone on board..

Yes, remember that various idiots have spent 60 years trying to dress up an accident as a crime, because they have no better case to build.

Scratch a Progressive and out pops Josef Stalin.