I don't think we even get to first base but it does feel alot like paying alimony so she can sleep with your worst enemies.

The United States and Pakistan should stop pretending they are allies and amicably "divorce," Pakistan's former ambassador to Washington said on Wednesday, citing unrealistic expectations in both countries that include U.S. hopes Islamabad will sever its links to extremists.

We need to divource ourselves from the entire ME. Either we start stealing the oil, or stop pretending we can change a state of mind. As it stands, nothing but deaths of our soldiers will be the accomplishment..

What a joke...We've been paying alimony for how many years and NOW they want a divorce?

Why is Obama still sending these wack jobs Billions of dollars every year all the while Americans at home are suffering?

EEngineer

Who started this love affair with Pakistan in the first place? Well, George W. Bush did.

The United States has been sending aid to Pakistan since 1948. In fact, President Carter suspended all aid (except food aid) to Pakistan in the 1970's due to their uranium enrichment program. Would you like to rename the San Andreas Fault? Call it Bush's Fault?

US should divorce both Pakistan and Israel. It would be much safer and cheaper for our nation to simply mind our own business. And we have plenty of problems and needs at home to worry about.

I agree with the ex-Pakistan Diplomat. We need to go our seperate ways. The United States needs to take our Money, our Boys and our Toys and go home.

Sec.of State Clinton brings groceries (money) to them, she has a blank check from the United States for every entity like Pakistan, Afghanistan (Karzai, Egypt (Morsi), etc. .............. While America suffers

denver bill

gwb called them essential in the 'war' on terrorism and upped the ante. he cuold have just let them disintegrate. only issue there is nuclear weapons. i say we bomb all their nuclear weapons sites and get the hell out of dodge. it is time we upped the ante with india!!!

Kornfed,

"We need to divource ourselves from the entire ME."

You may be right about that, but last time I checked Pakistan was not in the Middle East unless they moved it since I last checked. I think we probably would divorce Pakistan if it were not for that damned war we are fighting in Afghanistan. We need Pakistan to move supplies for our troops into Afghanistan. Any alternative is too expensive. Let's get out of Afghanistan first, and then we can divorce Pakistan.

USA - Cuckold of the World

Fine by me. Kick those backstabbers to the curb and do something novel like spend that money in this country. No more pretend buddy buddy. We can be respectful towards one another but that is it. They start playing any funny games let them know we mean business.

I also have to agree with Max to an extent. Not totally cut off Israel but let them stand on their own a little more and hold them just as accountable for the BS they pull. No more blind eye to the bad things they do. No problem being allies, and glad we are (mostly) but tired of the US getting stuck with the check all the time. They need their leash shortened big time.

It is time

Divorce is not an option when you are married to a mobster.

US shouldn't be surprised that pakistan turned into a terrorist state because successive US administrations have orchestrated Pakistan's move towards a failed and terrorist state. It all started with killing of Butto (Benazir's father) and installing a puppet military dictator named zia-ul-haq so that pakistan could be used to create Taliban to be used against soviets in Afghanistan. Now this ghost is completely out of countrol and the US is acting surprised. As much as Pakistan is to blame for its own actions - Americans need to understand that Reagon and Bush Sr are equally to blame.

Cut the strings and dot the eye forehead...

I don't think they want a divorce. They get lots of money, somebody to gripe at constantly and we get killed soldiers. I want the divorce. I firmly believe that if we walked away enmass from Pakistan and Afghanistan today, we (the US) would all be fine. And our soldiers could stop giving them guns to shoot said soldiers with immediately after being given the "gift". Eventually, they are not going to exist anyway. Let them keep killing all the young girls and women and they can no longer reproduce their reprehensible selves.

Once we're out of afghanistan, we wont care about the pakis as long as they keep their terrorists inside their borders. All we cared about was the supply roads and drone bases.

The Ambassador is correct ... and so is PJ-1795048... with some caveats ...

When the United States became less conscious with exporting democratic interest & more interested in controlling other governments they lost their moral high-ground.

the sense of betrayal, which has become acute in Pakistan.

It is very acute here as well.

roughly three-in-four Pakistanis consider the United States an enemy, even though the United States pours billions of dollars of aid into the country.

I can't talk for everyone else but I don't consider Pakistan much of a friend either, and I also think we need to stop giving them money.

But he also doled out criticism of U.S. policymaking, saying it was too often short-sighted, lacking the necessary historic perspective needed to appreciate realistically what Pakistan might do in return for aid and cooperation.

Exactly. Same goes for Iraq and Afghanistan. We are not being realistic. And Pakistan expecting us to be ok with their ties to terrorists is equally unrealistic.

COYOTEHUNTER

What a joke...We've been paying alimony for how many years and NOW they want a divorce?

Its not "they", its that guy, Husain Haqqani, former ambassador for the US, who is giving us his opinion about different matters. And you know what? I think he is 100% right.

We need to stop all aid money to Pakistan and stop issuing Visas to the Pakis to come here. All of the Pakis here are a national security threat anyway and they should have their Visas revoked and be sent home. Just close the consulates, stop all of the money and the Visas and no apologies either. The Pakis don't deserve any more from us.

I can find pretty much no fault with anything he said.

Looks like all the drone strikes has caught up to obama. Why obama thinks it's ok to kill people that are SUSPECTED of being a terrorist is beyond me as it is really MURDER. Now I could see if all those he killed were trying to shoot the drones down, however; that's not the case. There is no declaration of war against Pakistan so the Pakistan people are justified shooting down drones invading their country, and killing their citizens.

What do you think would happen if Mexico started flying HellFire armed drones over the USA to kill SUSPECTED weapon smugglers that are arming the cartels?.

Pat & EE...

Nice lame attempt to lay all blame on bush2. Who are you going to blame any "arab spring" failures on?

Nice to see that you and EE know so little about human nature and foriegn policy.

What kind of odds does someone wanna give, that he will be dead before his book is published?

LMAO little limpy...

Seems that it has been obama drawing the lines in the sand, telling other foreign leaders that they need to go, authorizing the launching of over 100 tomahawk cruise missiles in libya and sanctioning assassinations.

To think that America is supposedly a staunch supporter of "the rule of law". Obama must not have taken that course work way back when. I bet he did take the path of "my way is the only way" though.

Who started this love affair with Pakistan in the first place? Well, George W. Bush did. Pakistan, he kept saying was "our ally in the War on Terror". Oh, how Pakistan must have laughed while they cashed $billions in our checks and let Osama bin Laden withing miles of t6heir most prestigious military academy!

Actually, it started with Reagan. Pakistan was a staging ground for the effort to kick the Soviets out of Afghanistan. As a consequence, it feels that it made great sacrifices, and when the Soviets left Afghanistan, we left Pakistan, feeling no obligation to a country that was instrumental in helping us win the cold war. As Congressman Charlie Wilson said, "And then we fk'ed up the endgame." A few hundred million stabilizing Afghanistan and Pakistan and the region wouldn't be the breeding ground for extremism it eventually became - bin Laden would have stayed in Somalia or whatever other hellhole.

The reason GWB kept on saying "our ally in the War on Terror" was to try to wheedle them into helping us again. But when we went back to them this time, they were in no mood to be helpful. They intended to now soak us for every single dollar they could get out of us. The entire Afghanistan war, for them, was a cash cow. There is no friendship. It's all about money. bin Laden himself wasn't being sheltered; he was being stored for eventual sale. The reason they are so mad is because we took him for free, and that's why the price of passage of supplies to solders increased.

This would be the only way I would vote for Obama: Cancel the last check wrote to Pakistan, call the last "aide" shipment sent that way back, bring any troops close to there home, kick out Pakistanis from the U.S., and tell 'em good luck.

It's time to bring our people home. Let's get out of Afganistan and then Pakistan. And stay away from ALL the Stans.

We should exit the whole theatre and the middle east. Let Pakistan, Afganistan and India settle their own disputes. Israel, the Saudi's and the rest of the middle east can work their issues out as well.

Let them revert back to their tribal existance and warfare. With clean energy, and the wise use of our own fossil fuels, we don't need to be over there anyway.

Divorce? I would certainly agree to a divorce with Pakistan, but with divorce comes alimony. Lots of alimony. Oh but you get the kids, all of your people who have immigrated or are here on visa's need to go back also & you can pay the support as we are done.

all of your people who have immigrated or are here on visa's need to go back

Who's gonna work at convenience stores?

wow. I am astonished at this mans ability to articulate what I have been feeling all along. This seems so much more the truth than anything American politicians and their counterparts the media are saying. I hope we listen, but I also hope they do not punish the Pakistanis that do not think Americans are evil or bad. If they let their own people believe what they want for themselves, then I see no problem granting this divorce. Not everyone fights with their ex!

American citizens will be glad for the opportunity. Geez, they might even be able to get a lone from the SBA & owne some of these stores again.

Andrew Wolf

What kind of odds does someone wanna give, that he will be dead before his book is published?

your a jerk. He is still a human, he is someones family member, and he bleeds red too....How dare you "bet" on someone life like that. You are sick, and probably a threat to humanity

The consensus is that we should get out of Pakistan. We should get out of the entire region and that includes terminating all financial aid to all countries, including Egypt and Israel. We're not getting very much for our money. We could use that at home--have you seen the latest unemployment numbers?!

Rockyroad-531554

Why is Obama still sending these wack jobs Billions of dollars every year all the while Americans at home are suffering?

why don't you ask George Bush why he put boots on the ground in the first place. Do you always complain about the guy who cleans up behind you?

american-2051576

LMAO little limpy...

Seems that it has been obama drawing the lines in the sand, telling other foreign leaders that they need to go, authorizing the launching of over 100 tomahawk cruise missiles in libya and sanctioning assassinations.

To think that America is supposedly a staunch supporter of "the rule of law". Obama must not have taken that course work way back when. I bet he did take the path of "my way is the only way" though.

I think he has a way to go before he equals invading a sovereign nation without provocation.

Source: www ustr gov/countries-regions/south-central-asia/pakistan . The government of the United States reports that the United States bought 3.8 billion dollars ( $3,800,000,000 ) worth of goods from Pakistan in 2011.

"The five largest import categories in 2011 were: Miscellaneous Textile Products ($1.4 billion), Knit Apparel ($1.2 billion), Woven Apparel ($468 million), Cotton and Yarn and Fabric ($182 million), and Leather ($86 million). U.S. imports of agricultural products from Pakistan totaled $ 82 million in 2011. The leading category was: rice ($17 million). "

The consumer in the United States can begin the "divorce" by boycotting goods made in Pakistan. Since most of the goods are textiles, look on the label when you buy a textile. If the textile says "Made in Pakistan" or mentions Pakistan in any way then DO NOT buy the textile. Write a letter to the retailer carrying Pakistani goods and tell the retailer that their stores are selling goods made in the same country that hid Osama bin Laden. I have written to the Meijer Stores because Meijer carries Pakistani textiles. Contact Meijer at www meijer com/content/corporate.jsp?pageName=meijer_corporate

fuzzy44 - Who's gonna work at convenience stores?

The Children (Teens) of US Citizens like before, when the Teens of US Citizens occupied all the "Low Pay", "No Benefits", "Hardwork", "McJobs". Unemployment this category children (teens) of US Citizens is 52%. Now a days the Teens of US Citizens believe that without any training, work experience they are Entitled to be Managers.

(Extreme Sarcasm) I see everyone here has lived at Pakistan.

Like I have posting before:

Pakistanis Government and Pakistanis Military (not the infiltrated portions) = Pro US.

Pakistanis People and Pakistanis Intelligence (infiltrated) = Fundamentalist Islamic.

Example: The Pro US Pakistanis Government Ordered the Pakistanis Military to attack the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists in the Northern Pakistanis Regions. The Pakistanis Intelligence warned the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists and gave them the Pakistanis Military Plans. The fighting results in many Pakistanis Military killed. The Pakistanis people shelter, support, hide the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists. Hundreds of Pakistanis "Civilian" refugees flee into Northeastern Afghanistan mixed in with these Pakistanis Civilians are the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists. No one told us that the Pakistanis Military was going to attack the Northern Regions (just across the borders) eventhough then President Obama's Political Appointee Holbrooke was told by the Pakistanis Government. The Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists mixed in with the Pakistanis Civilians start shooting at us, the Pakistanis Civilians don't run, some were even carrying ammunition for the Islamic Jihadists. We start to selectively eliminate the Islamic Jihadists since most of us are trained snipers using M21s/M25s as our standard individual weapons (not short ranged jungle warfare M4s/M16s). The actual Pakistanis Civilian Refugees come to Afghanistan, the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadist supporters aka Pakistanis "Civilians" flee back to Pakistan (along the borders so both sides cannot kill them). Eventhough, we normally do Targeting and Target Damage Assessments we did not call in the MQs (Armed Drones) for Political Reasons (US killing "innocent" Civilians (see posts above); innocent YOUR ARSES, these "Innocent" Civilians were willingly providing Fundamentalist Islamic Sanctuary to the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists at Pakistan (we observed them over the border for a long time as Special Surveillance)).

During the Pakistanis Military attacks at the Northern Region of Pakistan, first the Islamic Nations protested to the United Nations that the Pakistanis Government was massacring innocent Pakistanis Civilians, then the Allies of the Islamic Nations the Chinese and Russian Federation protested to the United Nations, the Pakistanis Government then ordered the Pakistanis Military to stop. So since then the Fundamentalist Islamic Pakistanis Taliban, Fundamentalist Islamic Army of Islam, Fundamentalist Islamic Haqquini Network, etc. have lived there fully supported by the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran and part of the Trillions USDs per year of the Islamic Laws Required Mandatory Islamic Tithes of the 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers Worldwide.

Very bluntly put, you have choices at Pakistan: a. Work for the Pakistanis Government and be hated and targeted by the Fundamentalist Islamic Believers (the Pakistanis People) and the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists., b. Work for the Pakistanis Intelligence, disliked by the Pakistanis Government, US Government, US Intelligence Agencies, etc.., c. Be in the Pakistanis Military and be caught between the Fundamentalist Islamic Pakistanis People, the Pakistanis Government, etc.., d. Not take any sides, and have the Fundamentalist Islamic Believers, and Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists taking their Mandatory Islamic Tithes, protection fees, etc.., e. Leave everything behind including all Family, Friends, Relatives and flee Pakistan (if you think those listed above will "let" you leave with anything that they want, naive; and that does include anyone that they believe can be converted to join them (like your children as Mandatory Islamic Tithes)).

By the way for the naive, the reason the Pakistanis People do not know where their Aid is coming from is that the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists are not stup!d. As not only at Pakistan; but, most other Islamic Nations, they "Rebrand" the US Aid, to themselves. Like bags of rice marked as USAID in English, emptied into bags marked "Al Quada" or "Taliban" in Arabic. So what do you think the Islamic Believers at Islamic Nations believe the Aid came from as most do NOT read English. There is also the real stup!d that gets people KILLED, sending things (Food, Medical Supplies, Aid Workers, Vehicles, etc.) marked with the Crusader's Cross aka Red Cross into Islamic Nations; be smart and rebrand everything marked with a Red Cross with a Red Crescent (the locals know what that is). These are the reasons why the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists stopped the direct Humanitarian Assistance to Pakistan, as the Fundamentalist Islamic Pakistanis People would have found out where the HUmanitarian Assistance was really coming from (US), and not what they believed (Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists).

Byron Raum,

Having been involved with (survived) Operation Cyclone, aka Charlie Wilson's War; the amount that Senator Charles Wilson Democrat Texas begged US Congress for was $300 Million to rebuild US Ally Afghanistan back into the 20th Century "Little America" as built up by the US since the 1950s. By not abandoning Afghanistan the 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeen that defeated the USSR 40th Army Occupation would have remained in power. After we abandoned the 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeen and Afghanistan; the Pro USSR Afghans that fled into the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran returned after years of Fundamentalist Islamic Sanctuary at Iran (Duties to Host providing Fundamentalist Islamic Sanctuary) with many of these Pro USSR Afghans even fighting on the side of USSR Backed Iran during the Iran Iraq Wars (becoming battle hardened veterans), many of these Pro USSR Afghans became Fundamentalist Islamic Believers. Upon returning to Afghanistan, these Pro USSR Afghans became the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban; being Fundamentalist Islamic, they started to massacred the Pro US Afghan Muhajeen (20,000 - 50,000) as Collaborators to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers. The surviving Pro US Afghan Muhajeen abandoned by the US did not have a chance, those that fled to Pakistan were chased down by the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban and massacred at Pakistan. To prevent the Pro US Afghan Muhajeen from ever forming again the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban of Afghanistan formed the Fundamentalist Islamic Pakistanis Taliban in the area that the Pro US Afghan Muhajeen fled to at Northern Pakistan. The Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban then concentrates on the elimination of the Civilians that were suspected Collaborators to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers; beating then hangings until the trees in the cities were full. It was illegal to cut the rotting corpses down. That was about the time that we exfiltrated into Pakistan.

Also Osama Bin Laden was NOT at Afghanistan/Pakistan before, during Operation Cyclone. Osama Bin Laden was still at Saudi Arabia living with his Rich Saudi Relatives forming his anti US, anti Saudi Government Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadist Organization, Al Quada. During Operation Cyclone, we used extensive "Vetting" Processes to indentify future US Intelligence Assets and to prevent potential inflitrations by USSR Intelligence Assets (most of the non participants just don't get the idea of how many Osamas, Mohammads, etc. are at the Islamic World, a real pain in the arse during Operation Cyclone identifying each of them (more extensive than a Top Secret Background Investigation, because it would be our arses killed if we f**ked up (comment: this is were the US Military Conventional Warfare Forces at Afghanistan are screwing up, having US Civilians (not their arses to get killed if they f**k up) doing the Vetting of the Afghans (Police, Military, etc.)).

I (we, most of us survivors) am (are) so glad that I (we) will be going back on Retirement again NEVER to be Recalled to Active Duty again, again and again according to President Obama's Forced Retirements part of President Obama's Ordered as Commander In Chief Reduction In Forces (RIF) of 90,000 US Military to be thrown on unemployment, meaning if most of us did not retire we would be having more deployments and longer tours with less or no support (from the US Military Conventional Warfare Forces). GOOD F**KING LUCK, it IS someone elses turn as President Obama's "US Military Service is a Civic Duty".

if Pakistan had drones flying over the USA , USA would want a divorce too

Does this mean we will not send billions to Israel as well? I know Romney said he will support Israel to attack Iran, but I hope we as US citizen would be wise enough to avoid another pointless war.

We need pakistan like we need Hemorrhoids !!!!

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Divorce, of course, means no more US $ to Pakistan

This is the most sensible approach to America’s dysfunctional relationship with Pakistan. A divorce from the U.S. might be the only thing that can wake up the leaders of Pakistan to reality. When the threat of an extremist takeover of their country becomes imminent they just might start to realize that they’ve been sleeping with the devil.

One more thought. Why do all the right wing nut bags keep blaming Obama for the Pakistani problem? President Obama has reduced aid to Pakistan and I'm sure he would like to end all aid to this not very friendly country...... Lets not forget Obama inherited this mess from right wing Deity G.W. Bush. You right wingers have collective amnesia; I remember how Bush used bend over backwards to kiss Pakistani booty, at least Obama hasn't done that. Remember how President Obama killed Bin Laden.... By not telling the Pakistanis about the raid..... I'm positive your President Bush would never have been that courageous.

Lush Limpballs, yeah they really force Christianity down your throat. Where exactly do you live? Here in California after forcing their Liberal policies down our throat ,cities are going bankrupt, SanFran is going who knows where and as far as the Christians forcing their beliefs they must be very stealthy cause I don't see them. Last I saw Roe Vs. Wade is still a law condoms are flowing and Planned Parenthood is thriving

BigAl Las Vegas - You right wingers have collective amnesia

Sure like you really know. How about asking President Obama about what his Political Appointees Holbrooke (RIP) and Eikenberry did to F**K UP (Understatement) the US at Afghanistan and Pakistan. And don't say I don't know, I was there until about a few weeks ago, involved (survived) ever since Operation Cyclone.

BigAl Las Vegas - Remember how President Obama killed Bin Laden

Really, I don't remembers seeing President Obama at Bagram AFB when the mission launched. You too can wait about 20 years to obtain under the Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) the Mission (cams) videos, Video Conferences (Afghanistan General Petraeus as OSC (On Scene Commander) and Bagram AFB), SOC, JSOC (Admiral McRaven), CIA (Director Penetta and SAD/SOG), Pentagon (Redacted), Whitehouse. The only thing that President Obama killed was his Golf average when he was pulled from the golf course. (Note: After President Bush Amended the US No Assassination Policy 2006 to allow the Termination of OBL, if the Mission to Locate and Capture OBL failed; the Mission planning was given to General McChrystal (US Army Special Forces, previous Commander SOC (Special Operations Command), Admiral McRaven (USN SEAL, Commander JSOC (Joint Special Operations Command), CIA (Director and delegated to SAD/SOG) with input from subordinate experienced US Military Asymmetric Warfare (aka Special Warfare)).

BigAl Las Vegas - By not telling the Pakistanis about the raid

I told you before that the Mission did NOT start out as a DA (Direct Action) Raid. After the CIA Agent assigned to the US Embassy was caught and confirmed (outted) to be CIA by President Obama's Political Appointee Holbrooke, the US Embassy CIA Mission was compromised in the locating (verification) of OBL's Location, and the US had to rely on US Pakistanis Intelligence Assets (also outted by President Obama's Administration) like the Pakistanis Doctor (more than likely will die in the Pakistanis Prison). The Mission started out as a SR (Special Reconnaissance)Mission and became a Mission of Opportunity after it was verified that OBL was there, and became a do or die after the MH-60 of the US Army 160th SOAR crashed, so more USNSWDG, USASF, USAFSTTs, Agencies, etc. were inserted and became a DA (Direct Action) Raid, Mission of Opportunity, with the Agencies grabbing as much Intel as possible (including looking around for anything to carry all of that in) while everyone else provided security including at the extraction point (US Army 160th SOAR, MH-47s and MH-60s, MH-6s providing air to ground security, USAF air to air security).

Since you do not know. Historically, US Politicians (ALL Political Parties) fearing for the Political Careers, Distance themselves from High Risk US Military Asymmetric Warfare (aka Special Warfare) Missions (especially after my predecessor's failed Iranian Hostage Rescue Attempt, "Irreparable damage to the Office of The President"), and predesignate "Politically Expedient Scapegoats". This is why after Colonel Oliver North ended up in a Closed Door "Classified" US Congressional Hearing and denounced by the President as providing weapons, ammunition, funds to the Pro Shah of Iran Iranians to Overthrow the newly formed Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, we have been documenting EVERYTHING so that we are not fed to the sharks as "Politically Expedient Scapegoats".

And during most of these High Risk US Military Asymmetric Warfare attached to the CIA's SAD/SOG most US Politicians Freeze Up, and start with the Let's discuss this, instead of making the required timely decisions (as the opportunities for success cease to exist). Resulting in the OSC (On Scene Commander), Team Leader, etc. making the Command Decision, and if they fail, they end up as permanent residents of the nearest Federal Penitentiary or the Leavenworth Disciplinary Barracks for "Exceeding Authority".

Your post, comment, academic idealism, BigAl Las Vegas, has no basis of Fact in the real harsh life or death real world school of hard knocks.

The alamony is killing us. Stop sending them money.

david-475776

About this post:

Like I have posting before:

Pakistanis Government and Pakistanis Military (not the infiltrated portions) = Pro US.

Pakistanis People and Pakistanis Intelligence (infiltrated) = Fundamentalist Islamic.

Example: The Pro US Pakistanis Government Ordered the Pakistanis Military to attack the Fundamentalist Islamic ... etc

That is a h*ll of a post David (I mean that in a good way). And thank you for your service. Wishing you the best.

its conditioning.well never come together.hate for the other is taught to people very young.they would rather go broke and hungry than get along.and dont get me started on religion.we are a sad species.our thought systems havnt changed much in 2+ thousand years.

Wow... deep.

Foreign policy is nothing more than where our political businessmen make the most money. This is just a convenient way to kick out Pakistan from profiting off of the new TAPI pipeline. Probably the plan from the beginning. Then, when Pakistan gets pissed, they will suddenly become terrorists and the next NATO occupancy will occur.

@creek dog - let people say what they want but this youthful and optimistic way of looking at things is the right thing. God bless you.

We should absolutely move the Paks from the "quasi-friend" to "definite enemy" category. We need clearly defined enemies so we know who we're fighting. And fight we will. After all, war is the natural state of man.

What I wonder is if this Mr. Haqqani is in any way related to the leader of the terrorist Haqqani network that has been causing trouble both in Pakistan and in Afghanistan. Is he trying to convince the US to pull back on its support for the current Pakistani government so that his relatives can gain more control?!?!?! Just something to think about. You always need to examine a person's motives, you can never take what they say at face value when it comes to something like this.

PJ-1795048 Your last words were typical of the root of the world's problems. The belief in religion is the single cause of more death, suffering, hatred, greed, mistrust and intolerance in the world than any other.

Pakistan has cost the world trillions... Sell Pakistan to India and get some of our money back

Providing India even wants the @!$%#hole.

Pakistan used to be part of India. It became a separate nation after the British gave India its independence, and Muslims were afraid they would be repressed in a Hindu nation.

Sorry, we wouldn't want them. 1947 partition was, in a way, boon in disguise. Gandhi made a big mistake of letting muslims live in India after the partition. We have been suffering since so, will our future generations. (*Note: Not all are troublemakers.)

India wanted pakistan until early 1980s. But their love affair with the land ended when Pakistan supported terrorism in Punjab - using misguided sikh extremists and later supported terrorism in Kashmir as well as innumerable terrorist incidents in India.

The new generation of India absolutely doesn't want pakistan nor care for pakistan.

However I think - it is in the interest of India to ensure that Pakistan remains a stable peaceful and prosperous country.

India loved the partition. It was their equivalent of england sending its criminals to australia. India would rather have kashmire so they can control the headwaters of the indus.

So lets look at this rationally. We stop giving Pakistan billions of dollars in aid and spend that money here at home. What will happen? We will stop shoveling dollars down a black hole and some of our people will have jobs. If Pakistan is taken over by Talibani extremists India will nuke them problem solved.

If the same thing happened to Afghanistan same thing with the VERY important addition of no more American lives would be lost.

We all know how successful we have been in Iraq - they are killing themselves off at a rate sufficient to keep themselves under control.

Bottom line - the world needs oil - we can supply our own needs if we try - so get out and let those who need oil fight for it in the mid east - why should we kill our own for someone else's Rolls Royce gas?

I just meant sell them the land, the Pakistani people would have to go find another place to live... as for Afganistan, just push the population into Iran and strip-mine that sucker. Make it a no-mans land.

Aren't you glad I don't get to run anything but my mouth?? haha

China is no match for us today but with our large deficits our military will have to downsize in the future. China isnt looking at today, they are looking where they will be in 20 yrs. We dont have to make China our enemy however, Im worried the military industrialized complex will seize on China as a enemy to protect their large contracts.

You underestimate China greatly.

Right? People keep on swiping those credit cards and buying their cheap foreign goods every, then bitch about outsourcing. The sheeple of the US need to open their eyes.

China will be hurting in 20 years. The population control thing will bite them in the arse. They are already at something like 3 elderly per 1 young person. Throw in a terrible environment health wise and in 20 years Chinas health care costs will be thru the roof.

In world war 2 we didn't win because we were better fighters or because we had better weapons, It wasn't because we out numbered the enemy although it helped. We won because we out produced them. More tanks, More planes, More bombs and bullets, More ships and subs. But now who has the manufacturing capacity that we once had China. A war with China wouldn't be about them invading us it would be China invading other Asian countries and oil producers in the middle east and our technology in the air and on the sea will not stop them. Using nukes would be unlikely so it would be a boots on the ground war and we don't have the manpower they have and the Chinese soldier is like a Vietcong soldier able to live on a bowl of rice a day. China could put 500 million soldiers in the field at the same cost that we could put 8 million. The only way we could beat them is to nuke them. If we were able to deny them oil that would stop them but we still couldn't push them back. China could march their soldiers three thousand miles and that's something that the USA can't even come close to. It would be like fighting the Veitcong but now they have 500 million soldiers and better communications and weapons. It always ends up on the ground and on the ground is where the US falls short.

This guy Roger is what represents the white trash hill-billy guy that's totally opposite of what USA ever wanted or needed. His flip flops, sneakers, toys, furniture, underwear, utensils all come from China. He talks like he is some big deal..fact of the matter is, he is probably not needed anywhere ..no country in the world needs folks like him.

Roger, I am sure your forefathers gate crashed into this land from some @!$%#ty corner of Europe ( yes, I am saying you descend from a lineage of anchor babies...the exact category you and your ilk are so against these days ).....wanna try going back to that land ? Try it.

India will stab us in the back??? As in ....

How US stabbed XYZ in back where XYZ at different points of time was Pakistan, Philipines, Indonesia, Chile, Panama, Mexico and so on...

You think a country with a billion people is stupid enough to not know what is in their interest and act accordingly just as US has been doing forever?

Most of you seem to conveniently forget,

It has been the longtime Strategic Goal of the Chinese and USSR (now Russian Federation) to get the US and US Allies out of their Backyards (Resources).

After President Obama's March 2009 Iran Policy, the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran does exactly what President Obama's March 2009 Iran Policy allows, anything without US Interventions. The Chinese and Russian Federation increase their support of Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran as their "Proxy Fighter", the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran increase their overt support of the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists as the Iranian "Proxy Fighters"; to the point that the Iranian Special Forces, Quds, is training arming Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists at the Fundamentalist Islamic Kurdistanis Autonomous Region of Northern Iraq. Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran support of the Islamic Jihadists of the Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood to overthrow US Ally Egypt to gain Strategic access to the Suez Canal as negotiated before the "Egyptian Revolution". Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran support of the Fundamentalist Islamic Libyan Islamic Fighting Group aka the Rebels with the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran gaining a Mediterranean Port, the Libyan Oil negotiated by Islamic Qatar with the Chinese and the US European Allies loss, release of President Obama's Guantanamo Islamic Jihadists transferred to Gaddaffi's Prisons, Islamic Jihadists get 20,000 SA-7 Shoulder launched Anti Aircraft missiles to shoot down US Commercial aircraft, do not know what happened to Gaddaffi's known chemical weapons (Redacted, Redacted, mustard gas). Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran supports the Overthrow of the US Ally President of Yemen (USN Port) and the reopening of the Main Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadist Training Camps at Northern Yemen that threatened the Southern Border of US Ally Saudi Arabia. Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran pressures the Islamic Shia Government of Iraq to not negotiate with President Obama and SOS Clinton for the US to remain at Iraq and must follow the President Bush Withdrawal Time Table eventhough the situation at Iraq changed, US and US Allies loss of the Iraqis Oil that would have paid for the US Military Liberation of Iraq with Decades/Centuries of Iraqis Oil, Iraq must negotiate with the Allies of Iran the Chinese and Russian Federation for the Northern and Southern Iraqis Oil Fields. Using the Oil Wealth of Iran and Iraq the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran increases their purchases of 21st Century Weapons Systems, Technology, Assistance, uranium ore processing, etc. from the Chinese and Russian Federation. Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran tells US Ally Pakistanis Government get the US out of Pakistan or be Overthrown. Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran tells theUS Ally Government of Afghanistan to negotiate with the Iranian Ally the Chinese (China Metallurgical Group) for the "High Tech Mineral Wealth of Afghanistan.

In response to all the Worldwide Losses of the US and US Allies to the Iranian Allies the Chinese, the Chinese to protect their new gains, start to increase and accelerate their Military Programs, like their first Chinese Aircraft Carrier, Shi Lang equipped with updated (21st Century) technology with the assistance of the Russian Federation. The Chinese are currently cranking out a "Deep Water" Navy of 21st Century Surface Warfare and Submarine Warfare with Stealth Technology (believed Russian Federation origins) as fast as they are cranking out products for Walmart (US Fully Automated Manufacturing Technology moved to China due to the US Labor Unions written opposition since the 1980s). The Chinese start to concentrate their weapons systems towards the sinking of USN CVNs (Aircraft Carriers) with hypersonic anti ship missiles, Chinese copies of Russian Federation supercavitating torpedoes, self rising remote controlled rocket assisted underwater mines, etc.. And the Chinese being great at business (another form of Warfare) start selling these to their Allies, the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, North Korea (2010 sinking of the Modern South Korean ROKS Cheonan), etc.. To make even more money the Chinese send Chinese Military Units to the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran to provide Maintenance for all the Modern 21st Century Weapons Systems they sold to them, same with Russian Federation (addtional reasons why NOT to attack the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, unless you want WWIII). To keep the US out of Syria the Syrian Ally the Russian Federation has their Aircraft Carrier Battle Group Admiral Kuznetsov (sister ship of the Chinese Shi Lang) at their Port of Tartus, Syria. With both the Chinese and Russian Federation able to support the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran closing their Territoral Waters of the Strait of Hormuz (US Politicians failed after the Iran Iraq Wars to sign the Treaty making the Strait of Hormuz an International Waterway), effectively cutting off the USN 5th Fleet, US Ally Saudi Arabia.

And before anyone with no Firsthand Experience (US Military Contracting, "US Military Must Buy Only US Products, Goods, and Services") starts ranting about the US spending more on US Defense Budgets, the Chinese and Russian Federation still take Contractors (manufacturers) out and execute them for Contract Delays, Contract Defaults, Cost overruns, etc. while the US must reward the Contractors (manufacturers) as fully supported by US Congressional Representatives and US Senate so that the Contractors do not tie up the Contracts for years in the US Courts, by Delaying the US Contracts this means US Civilian Jobs for decades in those States. So the Chinese and Russian Federation get every Chinese Yuan and Russian Rubles worth and can stop, start, modernize, change contracts immediately, unlike the US.

About the US Oil thing, the US depleted most of the US Oil during the early 1900s "Black Gold Oil Rushes". The US was left with high sulfur content crude oil as used creating "Acid Rain" (sulfuric acid) during the 1970s "Oil Crisis". Told all of you before about the Canadians running out of Oil and having to do environmental disaster of strip mining for Oil Shale, and expensive squeezing of Oil from tons of Oil Shale (rocks). Of course most of you can learn to live like those at a Fourth World Nation, like Somalia, without Oil as your new Standard of Living (do not even start with the "Alternative Energy" baloney, go research what is required to even manufacturer that; then go research what happened to Germany during WWII after they lost the Oil of North Africa (Libya)).

Extremely doubtful that the Chinese and Russian Federation will allow the US and US Allies to do a "Do Over" or give up all their gains Worldwide.

True. In addition India would love to give the rest of the Muslims to Pakistan as well. You know, 1947 part II.

India would love all its land back. It's the Pakistanis they want nothing to do with.

Yes take it away from those who give it, strange. And it has alway's struck me odd how our tax payer dollar's can not be used to shore up S.S. A system funded by tax payer's for tax payer's. But we can support those who wouldn't give us the time of day, unless it was to tell us time to die.

DIVORCE................of course you divorce a lying, backstabbing, cheating, running your credit cards to the limit spouse. Why is this even an issue?

You're speaking about a former Ambassador to the United States. The man is more accredited and intelligent than you will ever be. Stop making up issues about a damn last name which is the same as a made up "enemy" inside Pakistan.

Back in the cold war, paki was a "fence rider." They have ice free seaports and USSR was always want access to them. They played both sides over this issue. Same reason russia is still supporting syria-- ice free port.

Hey brosol, My issue is similar. My town feels like a trashy hilly-billy scum of the earth white trash dump hole. Where are the original natives and tribal Americans that I was looking for ? I want your ilk in my town to go back to the darkness of Europe they came from in some @!$%#ty ship with a dirty bag.

go tell it to your imam he might listen

That's what cultural inbreeding gets you. Never met an imam in my life and frankly, quite the polar opposite of that @!$%#ty religion. However, a genetic white trash and therefore mentally retarded @!$%# hole like you will never know that...and you will probably give birth to offsprings that are even worse off.

So, now, take your inbred thoughts and give a speech at your local Klan gathering.

And oh , forgot...do cover your face...good looks and skin color seem to have evaded you....your moms and sisters are all making a beeline for the local tanning salon....:)

We need to start talking about a mass execution.

The US does drone attacks in the region all the time. It is just time to get out of the ME all together.

@Popeye...That has to be the most ignorant and useless post of the day. "Mass executions?" Are you seriously advocating that we kill innocent men women and children??? Where do you wear your swastika? It should be on your forehead so that everyone can identify your belief system at a glance. If you live in America, you do not deserve the freedoms that our brave young men and women fought so valiantly to provide us the life we have here. Hell is your destination....You bought your ticket here.

That's why we have separation of church (mosque) and state. We need to pick the weeds from our own garden before we point out the weeds in others.