Even if they did, it would be in a plush resort that pampers criminals, and I mean pamper.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1384308/Norways-controversial-cushy-prison-experiment--catch-UK.html

The Scandinavian liberal "justice" system is pathetic.

21 years for killing over 70 people? They should give him over to Texas and let them take care of what they can't seem to bring themselves to do. This is what you get with the liberal, bleeding heart mindset.

"Although the maximum sentence is 21 years, prisoners can be held indefinitely if deemed dangerous and few believe anyone would ever sign Breivik's release papers."

Guy basically got a life sentence, as he should. A death sentence, even if it were an option, would be allowing him to take the cowards' way out.

All he has to do is behave himself and act like a reformed model prisoner and in 21 years he can get out and do it again. The norwegians are such morons for their bleeding heart ways.

FlatIron72: That is just one prison in Norway. Only a very few prisoners are accepted into the program. Anders Behring Breivik will never qualify for such a program.

21 years? Thats all? Ruining the lives of hundreds of people and this guy gets to walk and kill again in 21 years?

21 years? Thats all? Ruining the lives of hundreds of people and this guy gets to walk and kill again in 21 years?

You didn't read the whole story, did you?

Vigi78

FlatIron72: That is just one prison in Norway. Only a very few prisoners are accepted into the program. Anders Behring Breivik will never qualify for such a program

So what? Even Norway's regular "prisons" are still luxurious. This is probably where he'll be sent. Not too shabby especially given the fact that it's all paid for with law abiding citizens' money.

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-inside-norway-luxurious-halden-jail/20110729.htm

And the fact that the program accepts murderers is deplorable.

This guy is nuts and should just vanish into thin air.

Likeley he'll be treated like Charles Manson, and fail every Parole Board hearing until he dies.

@jtcarter1

I'll believe it when I see it. But I certanly wouldn't hold my breath on that.

I agree with both Max and jtcarter1 (and I noticed that Chapman was just denied again - fine with me!)

I got a great idea! Let him serve the 10-21 years and then turn him loose on a small island, to be hunted down by a half dozen or so crack sharpshooters. They can shoot him first in the body and then the head. Bet he won't be relishing so much about the people he killed with that hanging over his head while he's confined.

Alas! It'll never happen unfortunately.

I'd be grateful if those of you who are saying that the Norwegian justice system is a "joke" or a failure would explain to us why the rate of violent crime in Norway (and most other western democracies, I might add) is just a fraction of what it is in the U.S.

How's that "arm everyone to the teeth and lock people up forever" approach working out, eh?

Twenty one years? Is that with or without food?

I'd be grateful if those of you who are saying that the Norwegian justice system is a "joke" or a failure would explain to us why the rate of violent crime in Norway (and most other western democracies, I might add) is just a fraction of what it is in the U.S.

Good point, earlyout. Maybe we have cause and effect confused. Perhaps Norway has more lenient penalties because they have far less crime, whereas we, in the relatively crime-ridden U.S. are forever crafting more stringent laws as a reaction to our crime rate.

But, 21 years for slaughtering over 70 people. That is a miscarriage of justice, anywhere, in any country.

If they gave him over 70, consecutive 21 year sentences, that would be justice.

to be hunted down by a half dozen or so crack sharpshooters

I'd prefer half a dozen or so very poor shooters. Sharpshooters would take him out far too quickly.

As for 21 years, it is the maximum allowable, but it can be extended indefinitely.

As for the Norwegian justice system and their plush arrangements - yes, it's definitely not satisfying; but in a country with one of the lowest crime rates worldwide - they must be doing something right.



Maybe we have cause and effect confused. Perhaps Norway has more lenient penalties because they have far less crime, whereas we, in the relatively crime-ridden U.S. are forever crafting more stringent laws as a reaction to our crime rate.

Which would basically be an admission that the type of punishment does not actually have any real effect on reducing crime.

Earlyout - In a mono-cultural society with a population of barely 5 million people (15 people per sq km) you're going to have a great deal fewer instances of conflict that may trigger a crime. This is pretty much the opposite of what you have here in the U.S., for good or for bad.

21 years ??????????? Why is this bastard still alive? He has proven that he wastes oxygen whenever he breathes and he has shown that he can't play nice with other people. Take him to the back yard and get him out of his misery.

Perhaps he will spend life behind bars.But I didn't realize justice included access to a computer and newspapers. I guess he will enjoy playing games with outsiders, reading the emails from those who will idolize his actions or scorn his. Getting the attention he wanted.Just like those who did Charles Manson.Who knows how many will be inspired hearing him rant from his new digs.Does Norway not understand there is a difference between justice and pampering the criminals? Where is the determent factor?

@ ceo-722851. OK, compare the U.S. to any other large, diverse country. We still come out looking absolutely awful. The fact is that our approach - guns and prisons - just doesn't work. And the solution proposed by the wingnuts is always more guns and more prisons. Slow learners?

The flaw in the anti-gun argument is that the US cities with the highest gun violence rates are the cities with the strictest gun laws (i.e. Chicago, L.A., Philadelphia, Newark). Even across the pond in the UK, where guns are practically banned, gun violence has increased at an alarming rate.

The point being that guns and gun violence are issues of more complexity than just being pro-gun or anti-gun. On a personal note, I am not a gun owner but have been considering purchasing a gun legally before the laws get too strict. My reasoning is not because I am some sort of cowboy, but rather a perception that people today have almost no regard for other people's property and it's incumbant on me to protect my property and family.

I'm 100% Norwegian. Grandparents on both sides came over from Norway. I refuse to claim this guy as being from the same ethnicity. Just look at him. Wouldn't he look perfect in a Nazi SS uniform? Put him away forever!

He's sane, but a christian-extremist? I feel like religious extremism shouldn't be ruled sanity, but at the same time, I'm much happier he's going to be locked up for a long time.

Should have been a life sentence though.

OK America, this is an example of what a civilized country does. If you read the article, he will be put away forever.

The flaw in the anti-gun argument is that the US cities with the highest gun violence rates are the cities with the strictest gun laws (i.e. Chicago, L.A., Philadelphia, Newark).

The flaw in that argument is that you're assuming that the residents of those cities are unable to go beyond the city line to get guns. That was always the problem in D.C. - tough gun laws, but a short drive to Virginia, where a paranoid schizophrenic 15-year-old could probably buy an AK-47 without too many questions being asked.

Even across the pond in the UK, where guns are practically banned, gun violence has increased at an alarming rate.

So, is the solution to work harder to keep the guns out, or to arm everyone?

Do you realize this guy is going to be given a cell 3x the normal- a facility they spent millions to modify just for him? He will have access to a gymnasium and several ameneties you would never see in the US. Our prisons here are barbaric in comparison to Norways with the intent of rehabilitating people, not treating them like the animals. It's a difference in ideologies- so who's right?

He is not sane no matter what the courts say. A crazy person can make plans and they can seem cognizant of what they are doing. Nobody in their right mind does this. If he is sane, does he now realize what he has done?

Do we really need him around anymore? Think of all the meals wasted on him. Think of all the prison workers that will need to correspond with him daily. He is a blight on society and for the good of the whole put the animal down. Do we keep rabid dogs around to be humane? Do we need to clutter up our prison system with those that can never, ever be helped? What is the point of sending somebody to prison?

For me it is to detain so that person is no longer a threat to society and then hopefully with humane and well thought out systems to help that prisoner turn their life around.

He is not sane.

@Patsycamoure3

We don't need to "dehumanize" this animal ... he did that quite nicely on his own.

I'm sorry, but your mentality is what gives liberals a bad name (and I consider myself one).

You have a few good points ... Scandinavian countries have some really great features to their cultures/government.

But, when it comes to this piece of waste, he should have two put into the back of his head and then incinerated.

"The Scandinavian liberal "justice" system is pathetic." And yet they have a lower rate of crime across the board than we do in the US. Go figure.

"The Scandinavian liberal "justice" system is pathetic." And yet they have a lower rate of crime across the board than we do in the US. Go figure.

Nail meet head.

Scandinavian countries are secular, liberal democracies that actually outpace the U.S. in almost all major categories of wellness. It's a beautiful land full of beautiful, happy people. The rate isn't just "lower" for violent crimes .... it's almost non-existent compared to us Yanks.

21 divided by 77 equals 0.272. Therefore Breivik is sentenced to a little over three months in prison per murder. Now there is something to discuss while eating a steaming plate of Lutefisk.

How is it that Americans are criticizing Norway's justice system for convicting a mass murderer, yet we make the biggest deals out of much smaller cases (i.e Casey Anthony, Robert Zimmerman, etc.). A majority of our modern criminal prosecution is now entertainment for us, instead of being the service that holds up the laws we have as a nation.

These former Vikings have come a long way, back in the day they would have hacked to pieces this POS and fed his corpse to the wolves.

EarlyOut-1524710

I'd be grateful if those of you who are saying that the Norwegian justice system is a "joke" or a failure would explain to us why the rate of violent crime in Norway (and most other western democracies, I might add) is just a fraction of what it is in the U.S.

How's that "arm everyone to the teeth and lock people up forever" approach working out, eh?

I'd be grateful if moonbats could explain to me why a murderer should be pampered for a few short years then turned loose on society? A person(s) is dead as a result of their actions, there is no "rehabilitating" them back to life. How could you possibly support anything but life imprisonment or at least a very lenghty sentence in a less than plush enviroment?

And don't give the the crime statistic bull@!$%#, Scandinavia and the United States are 2 completely different cultures. But that doesn't mean they are immune from crime. Sweden is now the rape capital of Europe.

http://www.thelocal.se/19102/20090427/

Now if you want to talk sensible approaches to reducing prison populations and crime, let's talk about ending the war on drugs. But your notion to disarm the people and go easy on violent criminals is absolutely absurd.

Norway DOES NOT have a life sentence. You could kill 90% of the people in the country and only get 21 years. If that is their wish so be it. Just one thing though. When he gets out don't let him out of the country so the REST of the World does not have to put up with this trash of a Human. Keep the looney's and Mass Murderers inside your borders.

Well I think a 21-year sentence for this lowlife is PATHETIC; then again, he's probably the first mass killer Norway's ever had, so there were no laws in place to do any better. I have a problem with his being declared "sane," yes the attacks were well thought-out, but have you ever looked at his "Manisfesto?" Megalomaniac if I ever saw one, and that's not "sane." He has NO remorse, which suggests he's a sociopath as well. If an insanity verdict would have been "worse than death" for him, then by all means call him CRAZY!!!

I'd be grateful if moonbats could explain to me why a murderer should be pampered for a few short years then turned loose on society?

Please read the story again. You seem to have missed a few things.

One need only read this thread to see why people are always saying the Right lives in a bubble. They are utterly impervious to facts, completely gloss over data that contradicts their views, and think if they can only call you a pansy, they have won the argument.

Amerikkaa .... @!$%# Yeah!

Bottom line: It's none of our business what Norway does.

The flaw in the anti-gun argument is that the US cities with the highest gun violence rates are the cities with the strictest gun laws (i.e. Chicago, L.A., Philadelphia, Newark). Even across the pond in the UK, where guns are practically banned, gun violence has increased at an alarming rate.

So basically, your argument is that even the strictest gun laws in the US aren't good enough, the extra strictness in this cities doesn't go far enough.

As far as the UK is concerned, countries go through waves themselves, but even at its most violent the UK is still about two orders of magnitude, per capita, less murderous than the US.

The only 21 anything this guy deserves is a 21 gun salute with the guns aimed at him.

21 yrs, wow that is all? On top of being declared sane. So that is about 99-100 days per person. Thats all they are worth huh? Give me break!

When you have a case this clear cut as to who did it, they need to be removed from society, end of story. I'm all about due process and making sure they are positive when it comes to the death penalty and it being something to not be taken lightly, and the hope that maybe someday we can evolve enough to move beyond it, but we are in the here and now, death penalty is still needed, and this whole thing just blows me away. People get alot longer for awhole lot less, at least in this country, USA.

Sad to say but whatever I guess, he is Norway's problem, not the USA, and they can keep him. There is one thing about wanting to be a more civilized society and then there's allowing people to get away with horrors like this. Totally unacceptable. At least give him life behind bars.

Things are really screwy right here now but at least I can confidently say he would be getting life at the least if not the death penalty here in the US.

It is time stop giving these wacko's so much leeway and so many rights. They do the crime, those rights are gone. Give them the punishment they deserve.

I'd be grateful if moonbats could explain to me why a murderer should be pampered for a few short years then turned loose on society? A person(s) is dead as a result of their actions, there is no "rehabilitating" them back to life. How could you possibly support anything but life imprisonment or at least a very lenghty sentence in a less than plush enviroment?

You aren't reading, are you? The 'pampering for a few short years' creates a society that is far less violent and murderous than the US' few short years.

People who are saying "Well, Norway is NOTHING like the US" are happily glossing over the fact that the low crime rate is a fact in EVERY Westernized democracy except the US.

The US has:

1. the worst crime rate in the westernized world.

2. the most number of criminals per capita in the westernized world.

Do you think there's a connection or do you suppose we are just inclined to be criminals?

People get alot longer for awhole lot less, at least in this country, USA.

And it is obvious our system isn't working. Or are we going to be doing the "my country right or wrong" thing again?

davefromanapointca,

"21 years for killing over 70 people? They should give him over to Texas and let them take care of what they can't seem to bring themselves to do. This is what you get with the liberal, bleeding heart mindset."

It's funny that you should say that because Breivik was no "liberal". He was a conservative who saw multi-culturalism as a threat and wanted to keep Norway "white" and free from foreign cultural influences. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that pretty much your own mindset?

How 'bout 21 years for each life taken? WOW! I guess lives mean nothing over there...

Hilarious to read people going on about Norways apparently stupid justice system when they have a much lower recidivism rate than in the US. And before anyone starts, that means that people who commit crimes are much less likely to commit another in the future, so any talk about Norway being completely different (size, etc) isn't any kind of argument against that. Theirs works better. Full stop.

I personally think he should be locked up for life without any chance of parole. Someone like him (again, just my opinion) cannot be reformed. However, hopefully this will happen, they do have the option to.

Byron - not saying my country right or wrong. Just saying if you kill 77 people why do you get 21 yrs there but sell some weed or commit armed robbery (no one killed) and you can get more here? Doesn't add up as the magnitude of the crimes is no where near the same. And no, I don't think are justice system is even remotely functioning in a correct manner. If anything what I was trying to say is how out whack our system is and Norway's system is when it comes to dealing with crimes. Actually Norway's is probably better for the majority of small stuff but are failing when it came to a major issue like this.

Yes I agree we need to reform our system and stop putting smaller time criminals in with those who are much more hardened. But no it does not need to be a resort, I think the boot camp style work reform camps are what we need more off. Let them work it off and at the same time recieve some counseling and training to enter back into the free world. Then the major offenders can be separated out and dealt with in other ways.

But do not even tell me that lightening sentences and especially for someone who killed 77 people is the thing to do. This POS deserves to be shot or rot in jail for life at the very least. There is away to handle those who rob a bank and those who kill, and its not the same. Stop giving so many rights to the criminal. They made the choice. Try thinking about the victim instead.

Rob80,

"I personally think he should be locked up for life without any chance of parole."

So do I, but, as the article stated, that is most likely going to be what happens to him. Just because his sentence was only 21 years, that doesn't mean they have to release him at the end of that sentence. They can keep him in prison for as long as he is considered dangerous, and that is most likely what they will do.

I assume most of you posting on NBC are Americans? Why are you so vindictive?

This case says a lot more about the intelligence and understanding of the Norwegians in general with their laws and prisons more about reform, than punishment like in America, which has a high crime rate and recidivism.

And relax, he will most likely get life in prison anyway.

What freaked me out besides the 21 years is they said theoretically, he could be out in 10 yrs.

Holy @!$%# batman! What the hell kind of laws do they have over there?! I guess when something happens that they never seen or fathomed before they have to figure out a way to deal with something they never had to deal with ever.

Sucks to learn by mistakes.

Mickey, I agree, which is why I also said

However, hopefully this will happen, they do have the option to.

I totally see him spending his whole life in prison. There's perhaps a chance he will be let out when he's old and infirm as he wouldn't be capable of committing a similar crime, I guess.

What freaked me out besides the 21 years is they said theoretically, he could be out in 10 yrs.

You don't think applications for early parole happen in the US?

Norway has low crime numbers because NORWAY HAS LESS THAN 5 Million people...about the population of Chicago...which likely has more crime than Norway

American Citizen,

"Norway has low crime numbers because NORWAY HAS LESS THAN 5 Million people"

That's true, but when people talk about the crime rate in any country, they are usually talking about crimes per capita which is usually measured in terms of how many crimes have been committed per 100,000 people. And I think the crime rate for Norway in per capita terms is lower than in the U.S., but I would have to look it up to be sure.

Are the families happy with 13 weeks per murder????

I'd prefer half a dozen or so very poor shooters. Sharpshooters would take him out far too quickly.

Armed with bird shot

The flaw in the anti-gun argument is that the US cities with the highest gun violence rates are the cities with the strictest gun laws (i.e. Chicago, L.A., Philadelphia, Newark). Even across the pond in the UK, where guns are practically banned, gun violence has increased at an alarming rate.

ICE-1604854 - The flaw in your argument, is that it is devoid of supporting facts. I cannot find statistics for 'gun violence' as opposed to violent crime statistics, and you provide none.

But...

Here're the cities with the highest rates of violent crime (in descending order):

Detroit*
St Louis*
Memphis*
Oakland
Baltimore
Stockton
Buffalo
Cleveland*
Washington DC
Philadelphia*

And the 10 cities with highest murder rates:
New Orleans*
St Louis*
Baltimore
Detroit*
Newark
Oakland
Washington D.C.
Kansas City, MO*
Buffalo
Cincinnati*

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate).

The cities with an asterix (*) are in states with "shall issue" laws regarding concealed carry permits, meaning the local authorities have no discretion in issuing such permits if the applicant has complied with all state requirements. I'd be interested to here why you list Philadelphia as a city with highly restrictive gun laws, as Pennsylvania has had a "Shall Issue" law on the books for over 20 years.

Are you gun ownership advocates allergic to facts?

Twenty-one years!!! What's that for murdering 77 people? Where is the sympathy and humanity for the victims and their families?

I'm glad this didn't happen in Texas or any other state holding the death penalty or life without parole, but at least they would have handed down a punishment commensurate to the crime.

In Norway that would be considered cruel and unusual punishment.

Because it is.

He's a God fearing christian who thought of himself as being part of the Knights Templar. He believed he was doing God's work.

God doesn't kill people, people with God(s) kill people.

Dont they all?

Wow, 77 lives lost and he gets 21 years, how sweet is that one, I hate to say this but he looks like that wikileak guy, Julian Assange, typical Nazi, hell I'm german myself.

He doesn't look anything like Assange....get your eyes checked.

As a result of the ruling that he is sane, Breivik will be locked up in solitary confinement inside the maximum security Ila prison on the outskirts of Oslo. He will return to his relatively spacious cells, enjoying the comforts of a computer, newspapers and a separate exercise room.

This sounds more like the dreams of an introvert. Well fed, entertained, commuincations and private exercise room. No bill collectors or harrassment for crimes.

There will be a LOT more crimes like this if the luxury treatment is the normal status.

Public stoning would be more in order, but if this is the worst sentence that can be given, Charles Manson may want a transfer over there or anyone else that commits mass murders.

Maybe our immigration policy has became too lax here in the United States. It seems we have let a few people like this into our country as well. Of course, some are at Gitmo now, but are we going to have to pay the price for lax immigration?

Numb3rTech - I doubt "There will be a LOT more crimes like this if the luxury treatment is the normal status". Scandinavian countries have ridiculously low crime rates because of their outlook on life and their entire social structure. Scandinavians also typically have a very high standard of living. If you look at any studies on happiness and quality of life, you will find that Scandinavians usually rank at the top.

When pigs can fly.

He got sentenced to 21 years but that doesn't mean he's getting out in 21 years.

Evening papag..no he can be out in 10 years on parole they said here on the 6pm news in Australia...

After serving the 10-year minimum sentence, Breivik will be evaluated periodically. Stigen said it was “theoretically possible” he could be released in 10 years, but added this was highly unlikely.

After 21 years, the prosecution can seek to have Breivik kept in prison -- Stigen said that “most certainly they will” – and a court will then decide whether to keep the mass killer in prison.

Charles Manson gets parole hearings, too....

Anyone who thinks 21 years is a pathetic amount of time to serve in prison for anything has never been in prison and has no concept of what it means.

Here,here, culheath.

Yea, Texas would kill him and bring him back to life 38 times, and then finally let him go on the 39th execution.

They might let him serve them concurrently.....

In Texas it would be considered an application for BlackWater. Breivik pressed his StandYourGround selfdefense for an entire country. Im sure BlackWater would have given him a positive review because of it. Breivik would be an NRA posterboy. And he would be cheered by many people who want "to take back the country". A genuine American Hero.

But lucky for the rest of the USA, Breivik isnt a Texican. And he never will see another second outside the prison ever.

So? One cannot serve 39 life sentences. Our sentences have not helped our crime rate at all.

Texas has an express lane. No messing around.

Why do you think that?

Insane for giving him the maximum sentence? Do you people only read one article on one news site? Or even read past the headline on your one news site?

"Although the maximum sentence is 21 years, prisoners can be held indefinitely if deemed dangerous and few believe anyone would ever sign Breivik's release papers."

For all intents and purposes he was sentenced to life in prison.

did you read the article? max term 3 months per murder. something is very wrong.

Many things in USA are also wrong. Or in Russia, or whereever.

What?

Norway has every right to try and sentence him under their laws. Regardless of any statements it took place on their soil. If you are from Norway, complain to your government. If not, then mind your own business.

Norway has no socialism. But for many USA people, everything outside USA is socialism anyway... *sigh*.

I agree. If the people of Norway are happy with the verdict, then what's there to argue about? They have their way of doing things because that's what works for them. Think of it like this: if you're a parent, then you know how annoying it is when someone tells you how to raise your kids. You know what works for you, your family and your situation. Now take it to a bigger, national level. Also you can't deny their crime rate is lower than the US. So maybe they're the ones that's doing things the right way, and we're the ones who are wrong.

So, Norway has cradle to grave socialism, good for them. That just makes them soft on crime!

It works for them, though. Their prison system has magnitudes lower recidivism rates than in the US.

Yes!

Interesting comment.

I found these stats of Norway vs US crime stats. Seems there stats are a lot better than ours. Perhaps they actually have a better system after all.

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Norway/United-States/Crime

Above all, he will be in hellfire for ever and .......infinity. that he could not percieve at this moment. He will not get time to regret/repent... & no comeback. Goood punishement for a stupid insane!

The American papers didn't fail to say it. It's just that most of the American public can't comprehend what they read.

No he didnt. He is kept alive. Death would have been the easy way out.

Breivik actually asked for the death penalty if he wasn't found not guilty, so the death penalty wouldn't be a punishment to him.

Yes, the death penalty is simply retribution....and justifiably so. As to whether or not it is a deterrent is debatable. The real problem is with the court system. If clear cut cases of guilt, like this one with Breivik, would be handled in a more judicious manner with the execution taking place in a relatively short period of time, it would have more of an affect on the subconscious of any potential criminal. In today's world, it's years before justice is finally exacted and by then the crime is out of site and out of mind. The one big advantage of the death penalty as opposed to a life sentence, is that my tax dollars will not have to support this POS for decades.

As to whether or not it [death penalty] is a deterrent is debatable.

It's not debatable at all. It is not a deterrent. Do you seriously think the threat of a death penalty would have prevented this guy from acting out his lunacy?

Breivik actually asked to get the death penalty, if he wasn't found not guilty. So, no it wouldn't have prevented him from going on his killing spree, and it certainly would't be a punishment to kill him.

double post

culheath -

Do you seriously think the threat of a death penalty would have prevented this guy from acting out his lunacy?

When dealing with a person that has a grip on reality, I believe it can have an affect. As you stated, this was an act of lunacy. With Breivik, you're dealing with a a homicidal sociopath. It doesn't mean he is insane, just extremely abnormal, a deviant. Just ask yourself, if you had a reason to commit a premeditated homicide, somebody raped your daughter....would an immediate trial and death penalty have an affect on your action.....? It may not stop all murders as with Breivik, but it would certainly deter a great many.

Then how come it isn't working here?

Then how come it isn't working here?

Let's see....because on the average it takes 13 years to carry out an execution??? The main point of my discussion, an expedited trial and execution, seems to have blown right over your head.

Kerry, why so much hatred in your heart?. He will receive his punishment for sure. But please do not hate.

kerrry..Now, aren't you a sweet person. Got a lot of hate somewhere inside, better see a shrink. Why are you so angry, he didn't harm you.

After his 21 years are done, he will be remanded again and again....what an apt punishment! To think that you might get out, and have that hope snatched from you over and over and over again...very cool. Bet Charlie Manson can appreciate that action.

He's not an atheist, he's a right-wing christian extremist. his manifesto is all about how evil liberals ("marxists") are and how multiculturalism is destroying society.

And his manifesto is brilliantly written. It has to be mostly translated and is extremely lengthy, but it explains very well his thought processes in determining the downfall of a culture and country by injecting multiculturalism and over-diversity. I may not agree with his method of trying to bring the problem to people's attention; however the problem he presented is a valid one that is creeping up on the USA.

however the problem he presented is a valid one that is creeping up on the USA.

Over-diversity in the most diverse nation on Earth? The man's manifesto is an ultimate delusion of a xenophobic bloodthirsty hatemonger.

Old european traditions die hard.

shoan1..Learn to read and understand what it says.

Evening Robert...go read the BBC news and it is what they said here as well..I can read perfectly fine..you need to check your facts with other news sites..not just the good Old US of A...They seem to leave out a hell of a lot of detail on stories at times. So what part are you confused with?? ...I accept your apology in advance..."QUOTE BBC NEWS"...8.45am GMT

Delivering the verdict, Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen imposed a sentence of
"preventive detention," a special prison term for criminals considered dangerous
to society. She set the minimum length of imprisonment to 10 YEARS...

She set the minimum length of imprisonment to 10 years

After serving the 10-year minimum sentence, Breivik will be evaluated periodically. Stigen said it was “theoretically possible” he could be released in 10 years, but added this was highly unlikely.

After 21 years, the prosecution can seek to have Breivik kept in prison -- Stigen said that “most certainly they will” – and a court will then decide whether to keep the mass killer in prison.

BBC left that part out.

It's the kind of "idiot country" that has a crime rate that is a mere fraction of ours in the United States. Whatever they're doing over there seems to be a hell of a lot more effective than what we're doing.

a very different one from america, where the only solutions to violent crime are to loosen gun laws, build more prisons, and lock more people up. how's that working out for you?

I agree with you Jack. That monster killed all those kids and he gets away with such a minor sentence. George and Josh this guy killed 77 people. Mostly kids. He should have at least gotten a life sentence. This guy could actually get out of prison!

Norway has low crime numbers because NORWAY HAS LESS THAN 5 Million people...about the population of Chicago...which likely has more crime than Norway

jojo.. i agree he should get life.

american citizen.. the absolute crime numbers are irrelevant. norway has low crime *rates* (as, in proportionally) because it's a less violent society.

Student: I studied history but I just don't know who NORWANIANS are? Can you enlighten me?

The Norwanians live in a nordic country that shares an eastern boarder with the Swedenians. C'mon...didn't you learn anything in history class?

21 years, out in three for good behavior and plenty of Chess and Hockey. He can write his Manefesto to set the stage for future mass murders and genocide everywhere and on the other side of the ring, the Muslims and their particular propensity for Murder in God's name.

Europe, and the Middle East is beginning to make China look like a good place to retire since the madness is migrating to America from every direction.

Alex,

Are you getting your history from Hollywood again?

There are so many unexplainable ancient sites identified as FORTS and dwellings, across America. There is no positive proof of Vikings here on Continental America, US. But some speculate and guess as a form of debate.

The Indians of the Northeast and around the Great Lakes where migration by water is likely were later known as the five tribes of the Iroquoi Federation. They are said to have committed genocide on the Mohawks during the pretense of a game of stick ball, Lacross. This information comes from a book dated from the 1840s that I had the good fortune to be able to borrow and read. Could they have encountered the Vikings, and killed them, it is possible, but unlikely.

Lazarus