Ya sanctions work, they kill the poor and working class while the leaders and their cohorts go merrily on their way. What really works is taking out the leaders and their nasty toys, then others pay attention, course the whole middle east would then be killing each other to assert their religious beliefs on all the others.

Iran has thus far refused to give IAEA inspectors access to the Parchin site.

Things that make you go hmmm? We did not sell new deeper penetrating bunker busters to Israel for nothing,I assure you the time draws near.

We are poised for attack. My wish is that they relent at the last hour, as their destruction is assured if they strike back hard,and I hope they relent for all our service people that could be the victims of retaliation. We surely do not need a war,but we also can not allow the Iranians to gain nuclear weapons.

Dejavu, didn't we do this song and dance with Iraq? Accuse them of doing something without proof, they deny it, we don't accept what they say and go in killing only to find out it wasn't what we thought after all? Then its too late and we can just say "so sorry". I for one am tired of the standard Republican move of go in and kill first ask questions later.

This is one more reason why we need to make sure Obama is retired as of January 20, 2013. His campaign 4 years ago was that he was the silver tongued specialist who could sway everyone. Now that we've seen that isn't the case, we need someone in that office that isn't a narcissist, self-delusional oaf.

You know we are kinda like a deer caught in the headlights....nothing will be done because of the upcoming elections (but we cannot admit that)...the Iranians know this, which is why they are accelerating their work...we deny that the acceleration of their work has any consequence...it does ...but we cannot admit that....because of the elections!

Israel is in a real predicament, they believe that military action is the only alternative, but President Obama won't help them before the election...and might not afterward if he is elected. Consider this, the President has spent most of his first four years warming up to Islamic Nations (other than Pakistan, in word and deed), would he risk all that he has gained by backing an Israeli Military attack? What would that mean to the 2014 mid-term elections and a poitential lame duck Presidency? Has he bet the farm on sanctions? Does he even believe that a nuclear armed Iran is a real threat? And if it is, who is it a threat to...not the United States...and Israel has atomic weapons anyway! He may just choose to sit this one out...he won't be getting any pressure from his base to act!

I know what he says, that Iran being a nuclear power is not acceptable! But consider this, while running for election he stopped by Piketon, Ohio and promised to back a "loan guarantee" for USEC to support and finish their American Centrifuge Project. When the time came his administration gave that loan guarantee to French Government owned Areva (USEC is now fighting for survival). My point; he says what he needs to say to get elected!

And the clock just keeps ticking....and Iranian...uranium...just keeps getting richer!

Another Republican that wants to shoot first and ask questions later. That's another reason why we need Clear thinking in the White House like President Obama and not someone that keeps saying "Can we shoot someone? Can we?" You know, someone like witchrunner.

Dejavu, didn't we do this song and dance with Iraq? Accuse them of doing something without proof,

That's right. Saddam was wiping out entire villages of Kurds with slingshots and BB guns. Iraq never, ever used chemical weapons on those people... <sarc>

That's right. Saddam was wiping out entire villages of Kurds with slingshots and BB guns. Iraq never, ever used chemical weapons on those people... <sarc>

Yea, that's why when Bush went in there he found all those chemical weapons. <sarc> Can you remind everyone here how many chemical weapons were found when Bush went into Iraq??? BIG FAT ZERO

I dont care what we did or did not find in iraq! He coud have stopped us from going in by giving the U.N. inspectors unhindered access to the facilities they demanded. WE CANNOT WAIT FOR "UNDENIABLE PROOF" OF IRANS NUCLEAR WEAPONS! IT WILL BE TOO LATE THEN!!!!!! AT THAT POINT THE PROOF WILL COME IN THE FORM OF A MUSHROOM CLOUD AND THEY WILL HOLD THE WORLD HOSTAGE!

IF THEY DONT WANT US TO TAKE OUT THEIR PROGRAM THEN LET THE INSPECTORS IN! WHAT HAVE THEY GOT TO HIDE IF THEY ARE NOT MAKING NUCEAR WEAPONS!

TAKE IT OUT NOW AND DEAL WITH THE PROOF LATER!!!!!

Yea, that's why when Bush went in there he found all those chemical weapons. <sarc>

And where did Syria get all those chemical weapons now being called WMDs? Could they possibly be the very same ones that Iraq was suspected of moving into Syria at the time? Nah, couldn't be. That would mean that all those advising Bush (I know, Bush performed all the intell himself, he didn't have military advisers and experts, they only came into being since Obama, well except for Bin Laden, that was all Obama, he didn't need advisers for that) may have been right. Evidence of chemical weapons actually being used doesn't necessarily mean someone has chemical weapons, right?

No wonder why so many dems are so poor. They'll believe anything another dem tells them! argues and brenda: You do realize that under the terms of Sadaams surrender after Gulf I that he agreed to allow inspections, don't you? Obviously not. You do realize that he continuously booted the inspectors out, don't you? Obviously not. We had credible reports that Sadaam had WMDs. Sadaam refused to let us verify that he would destroy the weapons that he agreed he had when is signed the surrender. If he didn't have them, all he had to do was abide by the terms of the agreement he signed. Simple as that. he refused and even all the dems agreed we should do something. The rest of the world agreed to as the UN passed a resolution authorizing the force. Now, Iran is preventing inspection. If they have nothing to hide, why not allow the inspections? The fact is that if we wait until one goes off, it is too late. You may be willing to trust, without verification, an enemy of the US that has repeatedly called for our destruction, only a fool would trust them. But, then again, I'm sure it has never dawned on you to ask why a nation that is determined to annihilate the West that is sitting on so much oil that they have no fear of running out of energy to fuel their country, would want to develop nuclear capabilities. Gee, I can't imagine. And why would it be in our interest to make sure they aren't developing nuclear weapons. No reason at all I guess.

onlyyoucanchangethelaws

I dont care what we did or did not find in iraq! He coud have stopped us from going in by giving the U.N. inspectors unhindered access to the facilities they demanded

Can you imagine if another country or the UN asked to inspect all our weapons and such? We would tell them to pack sand, but when Iraq does it saying hey this is our country and you have no right, we go in and destroy their country. Only to find out there was no weapons of mass destruction. Nice Republican. Nice.

brenda: Can you imagine losing a war and the victors saying "gee, that was fun! Carry on!"

As a condition of his surrender and being allowed to continue in power he agreed to allow the inspections and follow whatever other rules we set. The alternative was to continue the war until Sadaam and his troops gave up the fighting and he was forcibly removed.

Regarding the WMDs, they did find them. Also, all the dems looked at the same intelligence that Bush and the repubs looked at and they agreed with Bush! Nice try, but changing the facts is the best you can do?

I feel strongly that President Obama and his military are keeping a close eye on Iran and whatever their doing nuclear... I would not be surprised if the president launches missiles at these targets without any warning...

Terry: No chance of that. Obama hasn't had the opportunity to bow before the Ayatollah yet.

What a fool you are witchrunner, a fool who speaks derisively of the president, even though utterly ignorant of what this president is really doing - as we all are because that's the nature of military secrecy.

But it is the fool who makes strong claims as if he imagines that others here might think him knowledgeable or wise, completely unaware that, like all fools, he is the buffoon in the room.

Hello folks, our country is broke and weary of war. If Israel wants to start a war, let them finish it alone. The elite are ratcheting up the rhetoric and the warmonger sheeple are getting sucked in to the propaganda. Let’s take an objective look at the Iran situation. Ask yourself, what would happen if Iran attacked an oil refinery in the US? Of course we would go into Iran and bomb their country. Well, we bombed an Iranian oil refinery and they didn’t retaliate. We issued sanctions on their oil and export industries and they didn’t retaliate. Israel is killing their scientists and they didn’t retaliate. Why is that?

While appearing vulnerable they took control of the most sophisticated drone on the planet downloaded and deciphered the encrypted information and have our Military intelligence (I know it’s an oxymoron) people worried that top secret information has been compromised.

Do you believe that the Iranian’s have the capability to bring down a state of the art drone and have it land where they want it to and down load and decipher complex encrypted code? It appears that Iran has been getting help and lots of it from a very sophisticated source or sources. The US already declared war on Iran by issuing sanctions and covertly bombing them but they don’t dare overtly go in because it would jeopardize China’s oil flow, piss off Russia, Turkey and the local Arab countries. This would also force Iraq to support Iran. We got kicked out of Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan is trying to get us to leave their country. The Middle East is kicking us out which means we are running out of staging areas and NATO support for an attack on Iran.

The US tried to concoct fraudulent excuses to stir up public support to go into Iran. There was the laughable assassination ruse of the Mexican drug cartel and the more unbelievable law suit stating Iran was part of 9/11. There were also claims that Iran attacked Iraq, etc. The elite are running out of false flags. Iran is out foxing the US because they have the world divided and we can’t command an organized response. The UN Security Council voted against the US a few weeks ago. China and Russia have gone on record that if Iran is attacked they would support Iran. The world is getting fed up and bored with our Imperialism and the elite who orchestrate war.

We have been fighting urban wars of attrition for over 10 years now and we are broke, our allies are broke. We have spent close to 3 Trillion dollars in Afghanistan and Iraq. We can’t afford another expensive protracted war a half a world away and the US citizens are sick of war. There is 85% support for Ron Paul amongst our troops because they are sick of war and he’s promised to end the wars, it is probably to late for Ron. The lengthy wars have depleted our manpower, equipment, and our political capital.

Recently the Census Department of the Federal Government reported that “50% of the nation’s population were living below the poverty line”. Our nation’s wealth has been exhausted by war so that we could secure profits for the Banking, Oil, and Military/Industrial cartels. We never saw a dime of it and never will because the 1% elite feel they have a Divine Right at our expense. You know their motto, privatize profits and socialize losses. They truly can’t squeeze much more from the peasantry but they will try.

Our government has been trying to get Iran to do something stupid so that we can attack them but they won’t do it. Iran isn’t Iraq or Afghanistan. They haven’t done anything, aren’t weak and they aren’t bluffing. They are asserting their right as a sovereign nation and have the support of some very powerful countries. If we attack Iran, the war will be at our doorstep and then we will see how brave you who espouse war respond. When you live by the sword, you die by the sword.

brenda1964....."Another Republican that wants to shoot first and ask questions later. That's another reason why we need Clear thinking in the White House like President Obama and not someone that keeps saying "Can we shoot someone? Can we?" You know, someone like witchrunner."

Another Liberal who says "we can TALK our way out of anything". Those sanctions have really worked well.

Yep, that "clear thinking" coming from the President and Vice President is just mind boggling. "I visited 57, no 58 States and one more to go" (Mr. Obama - 2008 Presidential campaign), "You didn't build that businesses yourself", "Grow plants without soil, water, or sun" (Mr. Biden - college graduation class), and "you are the ones who are going to be shackled" are a few examples of their "clear thinking". A nd these two "elected officials" are supposed to be running our country.

And talk about "Can we shoot someone? Can we?"....yep....Mr. Obama is using Drones pretty frequently now without discussing targets with the Nation the missiles are being sent into.

So, Brenda....what do you think would be the results of Iran developing a nuclear bomb and putting the bombs on their new and improved rocket systems ?

Ido - Please tell us how Iran is going to get a nuclear weapon when we are inspecting all of their nuclear enrichment? Just answer that one question.

To Witchrunner - Iraq did allow inspectors in prior to the war. They were led by Hans Blix. He looked everywhere we told him to look and found nothing, because there was nothing to find.. Get it?

The inspectors were pulled out by Bush and Cheney, because they wanted to attack Iraq. The neocons who planned and sold the war said it would be a "Cakewalk" as partr of the sales pitch. Hell, Bush and Cheney swallowed their dumb pitch, thinking the war would be quick and cheap.

The war will cost upwards of 3.5 trillion dollars. If the inspectors had been allowed to finish, we would have known there were no WMD. The Niger documents were forgeries, proving there were factions willing to lie to get their war. The "mobile biological weapons labs" were for filling weather balloons.The aluminum tubes were unsuitable for nuclear weapons. It was all lies. This stuff about Iran is all lies and half truths, being spread by supporters of Israel.

Would you give a mad dog a longer leash to bite more people?

@BRENDA1964.....

When I was in highschool in the late '80s The USSR and the united states entered into the Intermediate range Nuclear Forces Treaty,THE USA ALLOWED USSR SCIENTIST TO SUPERVISE AND OBSERVE THE REMOVAL/ DISMANTALLING OF OUR INTERMEDIATE AND SHORT RANGE NUCLEAR WEAPONS. So in answer to your question, YES we would and DID!!!

I REMEMBER IT! If the 1964 in your moniker is your birthdate one would think you woud remember it too. I was born in '68 and can remember them signing it on TV in my history class.

@BRENDA1964...

Oh yeah take your political rhetoric(calling me a republican) and shove it! I am not affiliated with any political party.Read my bio you ignorant sheep. I believe political parties, DEMOCRAT, REPUBLICANS, INDEPENDENTS, LIBERALS or whatever you choose to call yourself is the ABSOLUTE CAUSE of ALL our political corruption and problems!!!(I'm right and your wrong and theres no middle ground is how anyone in a particular party feels) Most if not all parties, political, racial, religious, sexual, or gender based fight blindly for their own cause and are therefore counter productive. ITS THE INDIVIDUALS RECORD THAT SHOULD COUNT NOT WHAT MORONIC PARTY THEY BELONG TO!

@ RalphH...

There are no and never have been any UN inspectors in Iran nuclear sites. They have met several times to try and gain access to the disputed sites but never gained access.

oh wise benji: I don't need to know military secrets. All I have to do is look at what the President has said and done. The only way to make sense out of it is if one concludes that he is really trying to destroy the country. If you realize that, then there isn't anything he's done that doesn't make sense. Of course, if your idea of a great country is a place like the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, etc., then I suppose you would think he's doing a great job.

Hello folks, there is only one country in history to use nuclear weapons on men, women, and children and they used them twice! So get off your high horse and quit being hypocrites and judging another countries motives. Iran is a signatory on the Non Nuclear Proliferation Treaty. Israel is not and doesn't even claim to have nuclear weapons and we all know that is a lie.

@TrustV: Yes...and it was a Democrat who ordered the use of those nuclear weapons on the men, women and children...and it is a Democrat who today is ordering the use of "death by drone", greatly exceeding drone use over and above that of his predecessor.

President Obama has not been able to full fill his promise of closing the Guantanamo Bay prison, but he certainly has kept his promise of not adding to it....drones don't take prisoners!

In time of war Democrats can be as tough as Republicans, but they choose their wars differently than Republicans do. Republicans are likely to rush to the aid of Israel in a blow up with Iran, while Obama may well feel that it is more important to maintain the goodwill he has built in the middle east than to participate in a war he didn't start!

Hello Kenn, I agree with many of your points. There is no difference between the Republicans and Democrats, it's a good cop vs bad cop system to keep the sheeple at bay. And for the most part it has worked but unfortunately for the archons people are waking up and can see through the ruse. It won't be long before the American people understand how the Act of 1871 has molded what used to be the people's country and constitution and whose reaction will mirror what is going on in the streets of Greece and many other European countries.

onlyyoucanchangethelaws You are flat out wrong. The IAEA has been monitoring Iran's nuclear enrichment since day 1.'

Iran has allowed two separate delegations of inspectors from the International Atomic Energy
Agency into the country in recent weeks to visit some nuclear sites. Both
visits have ended in disappointment when Iranian officials did not allow inspectors to visit sites they felt had a military dimension to them.

Iran did not allow the UN inspectors to view military sites. I am quite sure we would not allow Iranians or Russians or any other nation except Israel, to view our sites, would we?February 2011: National intelligence director James Clapper affirms in
testimony before Congress that “Iran is keeping the option open to develop
nuclear weapons in part by developing various nuclear capabilities and better
position it to produce such weapons, should it choose to do so," Mr. Clapper
said. "We do not know, however, if Iran will eventually decide to build
nuclear weapons."

Iranian officials say that nuclear inspectors of the UN’s International
Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) have contributed to that toll, whether
they are aware of it or not. They accuse the IAEA of breaking its own rules, by
exposing secret information gleaned during inspections that, they charge, has
been grist for hostile intelligence agencies seeking regime change in Iran.

"This has been proven to Iranians," says Seyed Hossein Mousavian, a
former member of Iran's nuclear negotiating team who is now at Princeton University in New Jersey.

"There
is a consensus within Iran that more access [with the IAEA], more cooperation,
[means] more assassinations, more sabotage," says Mr. Mousavian.
"Which means there is a great, great mistrust from the Iranian point of
view to the real intention of the IAEA. They are really concerned that the IAEA
has been used as an instrument for espionage, sabotage, covert action and
preparing the ground for a military strike."

As you can plainly see, Iran has been letting the IAEA inspect their enrichment. Iran cannot enrich beyond 20% without the world knowing about it instantly.

Anti-Semites such as yourself will not be content until Israel ceases to exist. Iranian leaders have stated ad nauseum that they live for the destruction of Israel. You are the complete, absolute and irrefutable idiot.

And you are dumb enough to believe Iran?? Are YOU a complete idiot?

You are so gullible that you buy their BS excuses. The amount of uranium that Iran has already enriched to 20% could feed ten medical research reactors and they only have one. On top of that, they are continuing to enrich even more to this level. The only reason to be stockpiling 20% enriched uranium is because it is the precursor to feed into the centrifuges in order to generate weapons grade uranium. With the number of centrifuges Iran is installing they could rapidly take their stockpile of 20% enriched uranium and start pumping out weapons grade material for multiple nuclear weapons. If something is not done soon to put a stop to Iran's nuclear program the next thing you will be hearing about is them conducting a nuclear test. My feelings are that Obama will do nothing about Iran other than continue to talk and push ineffective sanctions right up until the point where he hears about the first detonation and then he will say oh well, I guess we waited too long.

These latest developments and Iran's continuing refusal to allow the IAEA access to certain sites tells me pretty clearly that they are working on nuclear weapons. If all their efforts were truly just for peaceful nuclear power and medical research then there would be no reason for them to be denying access to certain sites. These access denials are a pretty clear admission of guilt as far as I am concerned.

Israel will never lose to Iran who publically stated they are a cancer. The only problem is the Israelis play hardball and will make the Cuban Missile crisis look like a walk in the park.It is going to blow and just a matter of time.

To DrMan

it's always Anti-Semites an't when people speak out against Israel. I have nothing against Jews but I have S*** against Israel.

Israel is the real hater here. I have nothing against Jews but Israel needs to go.

THe ISIS is a front for Western Hegemony and Full Spectrum Dominance.

THANK you, Jose...rabid anti-Zionists like you prove why Israel must defend itself.

THANKS RalphH,

Couldn't have said it better myself.

And ignore the small minds buzzing about, they are total hypocrites.

@ js in sd;

My feelings are that Obama will do nothing about Iran other than continue to talk and push ineffective sanctions right up until the point where he hears about the first detonation and then he will say oh well, I guess we waited too long.

Not true sir,your guess is and has been wrong for awhile;

Sep 23, 2011 12:28 AM EDT

While Obama publicly pressured Israel to make concessions to the Palestinians over settlements, he secretly sold Jerusalem deep-penetrating bombs it had long sought. Eli Lake previews an exclusive story appearing in Monday's Newsweek

We have also been massing troops off Yemen for sometime now..

While quietly casting lines to draw Tehran into talks on their nuclear dispute, President Barack Obama is reported exclusively by DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s military and Washington sources to have secretly ordered US air, naval and marine forces to build up heavy concentrations on two strategic islands – Socotra, which is part of a Yemeni archipelago in the Indian Ocean, and the Omani island of Masirah at the southern exit of the Strait of Hormuz.

This is not new news,but I use it when people accuse Obama of being complacent about Iran,just not true. He has been great on the war on terror,which was my main concern about him before he came into office,I was wrong for sure.The economy well thats a different vine.lol

REgardless, adjust your budgets and plan for gas above $4.50 a gal.....

Sounds like a bunch of nervous Irainians playing on the internet tonight. They comin to git cha boys......

Ralph,

There is no reason for them to enrich Uranium to any level. If all they wanted was electrical generation and other civilian uses, they'd use a Thorium based reactor. Thorium is cheaper, safer, and more efficient.

They are pursuing Uranium based reactors for the same reason the US did, to make materials for nuclear weapons.

My post was not meant to boost Obama,just show the truth,it is funny that it does not seem popular because it involves Obama on a positive,but the wrong post that bust on Obama as a negative,(which is the only part I do not agree with,the rest is fine) gets more popularity.lol

Just sayin.

Ralph H. Chill out Bro....whatz up with you son........take a chill pill and watch the Israeli Air Force sneak in and out.......

Scuba steve - The reactor they purchased from Russia apparently uses enriched uranium. Iran has a right to enrich since they signed the NPT. They also agreed to monitoring of their uranium enrichment when they signed the NPT. They have met their obligations, although the US and Israel insist on Iran proving a negative, by asking them to prove they are not going to have a nuclear weapons program, which is impossible to do. If Israel doesn't like it, its too bad, because Iran is within it's rights according to international laws. Israel doesn't abide by international laws themselves, so they apparently think every other nation is also run by war mongering sleazebags.

All 16 US intelligence agencies have concluded that Iran does NOT have a nuclear weapons program. Case Closed.

Hey, at least he looked it up.

Isn't everybody who posts on here a nuclear physicist and a billionaire and a rock star and an astronaut?

Ashes to ashes.

No Isreal is being told by Obama to stand by until after the elections. And they will.

I can't wait for them to do something besides running their mouth. What's the over / under on bombs landing on Israel. I off to Vegas in November.

ADm - Give us a quote or a link from Iran which tells us what they will do if they have a nuke. You cannot, because your post is a lie. Iran has made it clear many times it doesn't want nuclear weapons. If they wanted them, they could have purchased them long ago.

This entire article is a rehash of past articles. 1000 centrifuges is almost nothing. Enrichment of uranium to 20% is for medical uses only.

This article is nothing but Zionist propaganda designed to frighten the American people and an attempt to justify a strike on Iran by America.It isn't going to work. The experts in our intelligence agencies have long concluded that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program.

In a recent interview with CNN, Joint Chiefs Chairman Martin Dempsey said
he believed the Iranian regime was a "rational actor" when it comes to the nuclear program. Dempsey said Iran would likely weigh the
ultimate costs and benefits of building a nuclear weapon before doing so. James
Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence, recently told a Senate panel
that a decision had not yet been made by the regime in Tehran.

Here is some bs from Israel. Note how wrong they are and have been.

1992:
Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres tells French TV that Iran was set to have
nuclear warheads by 1999. "Iran is the greatest threat and greatest
problem in the Middle East," Peres warned, "because it seeks the
nuclear option while holding a highly dangerous stance of extreme religious
militancy."

It is 2012 and Iran still has no nuclear warheads. Israel is constantly beating the war drums and using ficticious intelligence, just as they did prior to the war with Iraq.

1992:
Joseph Alpher, a former official of Israel's Mossad spy agency, says "Iran
has to be identified as Enemy No. 1." Iran's nascent nuclear program, he
told The New York Times, "really gives Israel the jitters."

@RalphH.....

"ADm - Give us a quote or a link from Iran which tells us what they will do if they have a nuke."

You asked for a link or a quote and here it is!

www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/world/africa/26iht-iran.html

TEHRAN — "Iran's conservative new president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said Wednesdaythat Israel must be "wiped off the map"

here is another one.....

news.yahoo.com/irans-ahmadinejad-says-no-place-israel-middle-east...

DUBAI (Reuters) - "Many thousands of Iranians shouted "Death to America, death to Israel" during state-organized protests on Friday and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told them there was no place for the Jewish state in a future Middle East."

here is another one...

www.telegraph.co.uk/.../Wipe-Israel-off-map-says-Irans-president.html

"Iran's new hard-line president called yesterday for Israel to be "wiped off the map" - the first time for many years that such a high-ranking Iranian official has called for the Jewish state's eradication."

How many more would you like?

I asked for a quote where Iran says they will attack Israel when they get a nuke. All you gave me is a misquote about Iran wiping Israel off the map, something that was never happened. Ahmadinejad said that the Zionist regime would disappear from the pages of time. He meant that leadership of Israel would cease to be, much like the Nazi leadership of Germany.

Saying "there is no place for a Jewish state", does not equate to Iran attacking Israel. You Zionists seem to push the envelope of understanding to suit your need for more and more wars, always to be fought by America if in any way possible.

No nuke is mentioned in your post. To answer your last question, just give me one. Try harder, you are after all, a professional propagandist.

How true...

Yea if we're lucky we'll die of old age before they get perfection. And our kids...meh.

Did you find your hole in the sand? See you in five more years.

Did you find your hole in the sand? See you in five more years.

Is this something I'm actually supposed to comprehend or are you just a random sentence generator?

Jose: You a f-ing Idiot..Hope the Muslims brotherhood get ya before the Jews..

Jose - As I have been in the Middle East, 9 tours in various countries in that arm pit of the world, and as I have travelled in the Middle East, I can tell you first hand the arabs are more anti-semetic than jews could ever be anti-arab. Case in point, I observed a RTA (Road Traffic Accident) and the driver of one of the cars was wearing a Star of David. NO ONE assisted that driver, but sure as hell helped the Arab driver. When I asked why no one was trying to assist that Jewish driver, I was told "Insha'Alla". It means IF IT IS GOD'S WILL.

Now you can say what the hell you want to say, but having seen the hatred, the disdain for an injured human being, I can certainly understand WHY Israel should go balls to the wall on ANY ARAB. You see, in Israel, I have seen non Jews recieve medical care. I have seen them going about their business without so much as a snicker from the Jewish population. I can say, in my experience, and with my own eyes, I know where the truth is.

I am not a huge believer in the mindless killings that occur in that area of the world. But you best believe IF ANYONE has a reason to be vengeful, it certainly isn't the arabs... Remember this as well, my misguided friend. In 1948, The UN created both a palestinian and a jewish state, with Jerusalem to be under UN control. It wasn't Israel that invaded anyone else, but it sure as hell was Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebannon that invaded the new state. As a result of getting their asses kicked, the Tiny Sliver of Israel gained 50% more territory. In 1967, Egypt and Syria plotted to invade Israel a 2nd time. Israeli Intelligence caught wind of the plot, had the proof of the plot and made the pre-emptive strikes destroying just about ALL of Egypt's Air Force while capturing a HUGE portion of the Sinai, and let's just say Syria didn't fare much better, loosing the Golan Heights. In 6 days, the puny Jews (Israel), kicked the dog@!$%# out of 2 countries that didn't learn their lesson in 1948. Egypt finally recognized Israel's right to exist and they were given back the land captured in the Sinai, and have since lived in relative peace, co-existing as neighbors should.

It wasn't Israel that started the mess. They were quite happy to have that small swath of land granted to them by the UN Partition Plan. The Arabs and NOT THE ISRAELIS are the ones who can't seem to want to live in peace. And quite honestly, and me personally, if Israel decided to start a campaign to overrun the entire Middle East, I wouldn't fault them a bit. Maybe the only way ISRAEL will have peace will be to wipe SYRIA, LEBANNON, IRAN, The West Bank, and the Gaza Strip off the map... Maybe then the rest of the Arabs would realize the olive branch they spit on was the one they should have embraced.

Will - Israel did start the mess, when they were formed by taking the land of Arabs, who lived in that land.

. "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with
Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it
to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been
Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They
see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would
they accept that?"

David Ben Gurion (first Israeli PM, quoted by Nahum Goldmann
in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

You do what stolen means, don't you?

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not
even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because
geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab
villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz
Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar
Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in
this country that did not have a former Arab population."

Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in
Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and
the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab
population."

Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"

Why should the Arabs have ever consented to a deal where they would get to keep half of what they already owned? Hey, you give me half of your property and I will give you peace. Wow, what a deal.

Of course Isral gets a better deal from the US, They attack the USS Liberty, kill JFK, and attack the US on 9/11 and we give them billions in aid, 19 billion in guaranteed loans, since Bush was president and they don't ever have to repay the loans. Isn't that great? I almost forgot, they want us to fight Iran for them, as we did Iraq. America gets to bear the full cost of each and very war we fight for Israel.

Amen brother. And thank you for serving the Greatest country in the world, U. S. A.

Note everyone, the last paragraph of Ralph's post consists entirely of proofs of his insanity.

I wonder if SJP is a fellow truther or simply hasn't read that far.

Ralf - truthfully sir, you are not only misguided but intellectually ignorant as well, knowing NOTHING of history or the historic truths but rely solely on propaganda. As I told you in an earlier post concering the USS Liberty and the other ill informed rants you spew, if you only EDUCATED yourself by facts and disposed of the ignorant conspiracy theory Pravda Newsprint you read, you would know and could speak with a degree adding something tangible. But alas, you don't and can't.

In regards to your other ignoramous rant, "Why should the Arabs have ever consented to a deal where they would get to keep half of what they already owned? Hey, you give me half of your property and I will give you peace. Wow, what a deal."- let me remind you of OUR AMERICAN HISTORY, you know where we defeated England and took the 13 Original Colonies, where we made a deal with Lafayette and bought the Lousiana Purchase, acquired Texas, and fought the Mexicans, taking California and all that land, where we fought Spain and took all the island nations away from them. Our deal to them was a hell of a lot less. Our deal to them was THIS IS NOW OURS.

Israel UNLIKE our expansionism, is more than content with what they have. They want to be left alone. And apparently 2 beatings isn't enough for some to get the message. Perhaps IF Israel were to decide to rid themselves of the PROBLEMS in the middle east, there would certainly be more land for them to build more settlements on... And apparently arabs aren't smart enough to realize when you loose 2 wars, the land that you COULDN'T Defend is NO LONGER YOURS. But then again, can't expect muslims to even co-exist with each other, much less anyone else right, or is the Shiite and Sunni problems just false news reporting...

Will the watcher - you brought up the Liberty. Here is a timeline of the attack on the Liberty, with testimony from Israeli pilots, who admitted Israel knew they were attacking an American ship. Note the comments from President Johnson, who was Jewish and a Zionist.

There is a timeline
at the website which was set up to honor the American victims of the Isareli
and U.S. Military. Most of it follows.

June 8,
1967, Israeli forces attack the USS Liberty. They kill 34 American servicemen,
wounding 171 others. It will be the highest casualty rate ever inflicted on a
U.S. naval vessel, with 7 out of every 10 crew members killed or injured. It
will also be the only peacetime attack on a U.S. naval vessel that, to this
day, the Congress of the United States of America formally refuses to
investigate.

2 June 1967. Liberty
departs Rota at top speed of 18 knots en route to a point 13 miles off the Gaza
Strip, well within international waters.

5 June 1967, 7:45
(all times cited are local Liberty time). Israel attacks Egypt, simultaneously
putting out false reports that Egypt had attacked first. Captain McGonagle asks
Vice Admiral William Martin at Sixth Fleet headquarters to send a destroyer as
an armed escort and auxiliary communication center, noting that Liberty's
"self defense capability limited to four .50 caliber machine guns and
small arms."

6 June
1967. Admiral Martin replies "Liberty is clearly marked United States ship
in international waters, not a participant in the conflict and not a reasonable
subject for attack by any nation . . . Request for escort denied."

7 June
1967, shortly before midnight. Office of the U.S. Defense Attaché in Tel Aviv
sends coded message to U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) that Israel intends
to attack the Liberty if her course is not changed.

8 June 1967:

1000: Two unmarked,
rocket-armed, delta-winged jets circle Liberty three times. Liberty officers
can count rockets and see the pilots, but see no identifying marks on the
plane. The jets radio Israeli headquarters that the ship is flying an American
flag.

1030: Israeli "flying boxcar" with Israeli markings circles
Liberty at about 200 feet. Crew member Larry Weaver says, "I was actually
able to wave to the co-pilot, a fellow on the right-hand side of the plane. He
waved back, and actually smiled at me."

1055: Pinchas Pinchasy, naval liaison officer at Israeli air force
headquarters, reports to Naval Headquarters that the ship cruising slowly off
El Arish is "an electromagnetic audio-surveillance ship of the U.S. Navy,
named Liberty, whose marking was GTR-5."

1100 & 1130: Israeli reconnaissance aircraft again circle Liberty.

1205: Three Israeli motor torpedo boats leave Ashdod at high speed headed
toward Liberty. They are followed by Israeli air force fighters, loaded with
30mm cannon ammunition, rockets, and napalm.

1215 & 1245: Israeli reconnaissance aircraft again circle Liberty.

1341: Israeli torpedo boats spot Liberty and call for an immediate air strike.

1358: Two unmarked delta-winged Mirage jets attack Liberty. After taking out
gun mounts, they target ship's antennae and bridge with heat-seeking missiles.

1405: Three unmarked Dassault Mystère IIIC jets attack with napalm and
rockets. Ship tries to contact Sixth Fleet headquarters, but five of Liberty's
six shore circuits are jammed. Radio operator manages to send distress signal
from Captain McGonagle: "Under attack by unidentified jet aircraft,
require immediate assistance." Attack lasts approximately 22 minutes,
involving 30 to 35 sorties, killing nine men and wounding around 60. Israeli
pilot reports to base: "Great, wonderful, she's burning, she's
burning."

1409: Captain Joe Tully of the USS Saratoga acknowledges call for help,
dispatches four F-4 Phantom jets, and informs Liberty that help is on the way.
Within minutes U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert MacNamara orders rescue jets to
return: : "Tell Sixth Fleet to get those aircraft back
immediately." Rear Admiral Geis relays message and tells them to re-launch
jets in 90 minutes.

1424: Three French-built 62-ton Israeli motor torpedo boats approach Liberty in
attack formation. Because the Israeli fighters had destroyed the American flag,
Captain McGonagle orders the signalman to hoist the "holiday ensign,"
the largest flag the ship has.

1435: Torpedo boats launch five German-made 19-inch torpedoes at Liberty.
One torpedo strikes starboard directly into NSA area, accounting for 25 of the
34 men who would be killed. Torpedo boats then circle, machine-gunning the ship
with armor-piercing projectiles for another 40 minutes.

1450: Commander of Sixth Fleet orders carriers USS America and USS Saratoga to
send aircraft to defend Liberty.

1500: NSA Sigint Command Center receives first notice of the attack from either
the America or Saratoga: "USS Liberty has been reportedly torpedoed by
unknown source in Med near 32N 33E. Request examine all communications for
possible reaction/reflections and report accordingly."

1505: Message sent to Liberty from Sixth Fleet: "Sending aircraft to cover
you. Surface units on the way." Liberty is off the air and does not
receive the message.

1511: First "official" notice that Liberty is under attack reaches
National Military Command Center in Washington.

1515: After the order to "prepare to abandon ship" comes over the
loudspeaker system, the lifeboats are lowered into the water. Israeli torpedo
boats move in closer and fire on them, as well as those still on deck, making
them all unusable. "I watched with horror as the floating life rafts were
riddled with holes," recalled Lieutenant Lloyd Painter, in charge of the
evacuation. Said Petty Officer Rowley, who also witnessed the event: "They
didn't want anyone to live." After destroying the life rafts, the Israeli
boats departed. Next, two Israeli SA-321 Super Frelon Hornet assault
helicopters carrying soldiers in battle dress circle ship several times, then
depart.

1600: Liberty transmits: "Flash, flash, flash. I pass in the blind. We
are under attack by aircraft and high-speed surface craft." Deputy
Director Louis Tordella is informed by Deputy Director of Joint Reconnaissance
Center, Captain Vineyard, that "consideration was then being given by some
unnamed Washington authorities to sink the Liberty in order that newspaper men
would be unable to photograph her and thus inflame public opinion against the
Israelis." Tordella makes an "impolite" comment about the idea,
writes a memo of the conversation for the record, and stores it away.

1639: Secretary of Defense McNamara again orders rescue planes recalled;
order is confirmed by President Johnson because "we are not going to
embarrass an ally." Naval Air Attaché at U.S. embassy in Tel Aviv,
Commander Ernest Castle, is summoned to Israeli Defense Forces headquarters.

1729: Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis, commander of the Sixth Fleet in the
Mediterranean, protests decision to recall rescue planes to Secretary of
Defense McNamara. At that point President Johnson comes on the phone and says
he didn't care if the ship sunk, he would not embarrass his allies. Admiral Geis
tells Lt. Commander David Lewis, head of the Liberty's NSA group, of the
remark, but asks him not to repeat it until after he dies. It is a promise
Lewis will honor.

9 June 1967:

After midnight: Soviet guided missile
destroyer sends flashing-light message in English: "Do you need
help?" Liberty responds: "No thank you." Soviets answer: "I
will stand by in case you need me."

0600: USS Navy destroyers Davis and Massey
arrive.

Mid-morning: Dead and wounded are evacuated by helicopter.

1450: Israeli Lt. Col. Michael Bloch telephones Commander Castle that Liberty, because
it was not flying a flag, had been mistaken for the Egyptian supply ship El
Queseir. State Department assures Congress that attack was accidental.

10 June 1967: Vice Admiral McCain orders Rear Admiral Isaac Kidd to convene
Navy Court of Inquiry.

11 June 1967: Admiral Kidd boards Liberty
with small staff to head Navy Court of Inquiry.

14 June 1967: Liberty arrives in Malta. Total
news blackout imposed. Rear Admiral Kidd warns crew: "You are never,
repeat never, to discuss this with anyone, not even your wives. If you do, you
will be court-martialed and will end your lives in prison or worse."
Secretary of Defense McNamara informs media that, "Department of Defense
will have no further comment."

15 June 1967: Secretary of State Dean Rusk
tells NATO ambassadors in Luxembourg that Israel's attack was deliberate. His
remark is reported in European, but not U.S. papers.

18 June 1967: Israeli Court of Inquiry
exonerates Israeli government and all those involved, saying that its torpedo
boats erroneously reported the Liberty's speed at 30 knots instead of 5, and
that the Liberty flew no flag and had no identifying markings. Later, Israel
will honor Motor Torpedo Boat 203, the one that fired the deadly torpedo at the
Liberty, by putting its wheel and bell on display in its naval museum, among
those maritime items of which it is most proud.

July 1967: Shortly after the burial of six
Liberty crewmen in Arlington National Cemetery, a monument is erected
describing the six as having "Died in the Eastern Mediterranean."
Liberty survivors complain that the marking is evasive and improper.

September 1967: State Department legal
adviser Carl Salans finds many discrepancies with the Israeli report. His
report is classified Top Secret.

11 June 1968: Captain McGonagle is awarded
the Congressional Medal of Honor. The Medal, usually presented by the President
of the United States at the White House, is presented by the Secretary of the
Navy during a hastily arranged ceremony at the Washington D.C. Navy Yard.
Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, the Chief of Naval Operations, calls the way the
Medal is presented a back-handed slap. "Everyone else received their medal
at the White House," Moorer will later observe. "President Johnson
must have been concerned about the reaction of the Israeli lobby."

1980: National Security Agency Director
Marshall Carter tells investigative author James Bamford that, regarding the
attack on the Liberty, "There was no other answer than that it was
deliberate."

1981: National Security Agency review,
"Attack on a Sigint Collector, the USS Liberty Incident," rejects the
Israeli Court of Inquiry's "mistake" theory and accuses Israeli
fighter pilots and torpedo boat crewmen and commanders of perjury.

1982: Israeli senior lead pilot approaches
former Congressman Pete McCloskey and admits that he recognized the Liberty as
American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the
American flag and continue his attack. He said he refused to do so and returned
to base, where he was arrested.

6 October 1982: A new headstone for the six
Liberty crew members at Arlington National Cemetery is unveiled. This one
reads: "Killed USS Liberty June 8, 1967."

1986: Lt. Commander Walter H. Jacobsen writes
in Naval Law Review: "To speculate on the motives of an attack group that
uses unmarked planes and deprives helpless survivors of life rafts raises
disturbing possibilities, including the one that the Liberty crew was not meant
to survive the attack..."

6 November 1991: Columnists Evans and Novak
publish interview with Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967, in
which Porter says that during or immediately after the attack on the Liberty
the CIA station chief showed him transcripts of intercepted Israeli messages.
One has Israel ordering the attack on the Liberty, another has an Israeli pilot
replying it's an American ship. When the order to attack is repeated, the pilot
insists he can see the American flag. The pilot is told again: "Attack
it."

8 June 1997: Adm. Thomas H. Moorer, appointed
Chief of Naval Operations shortly after the attack on the Liberty, tells a
reunion of survivors: "I have to conclude that it was Israel's intent to
sink the Liberty and leave as few survivors as possible. Israel knew perfectly
well that the ship was American."

November 1998: Captain McGonagle breaks his
long silence: "After many years I finally believe that the attack was
deliberate. I don't think there has been an adequate investigation of the
incident . . . The flag was flying prior to the attack..." McGonagle will
die four months later, on March 3, 1999.

But wait, it turned out they never had any WMDs and it was all bogus!! Oh my, oh my!!

Please remind us, what was Saddam using to wipe out entire villages of Kurds?

Please remind us, what was Saddam using to wipe out entire villages of Kurds?

I hear the Japanese are may be planning a sneak attack against us! Oh wait that was 70 years ago....... Time line is all important so why bring up these straw man arguments? Yes everyone knows he had chemical weapons but that was before the FIRST gulf war and even after he gassed the Kurds the good old US of A still supported him.

The wealthy always send the poor to fight their wars.

That's correct. Rmoney has said that was "too important" to go fight in that war he so ardently supported. So he went to a mansion in France instead.

Ralph H AND Henrich von Eric Dorf? Where are your friends like Abdallah and Godgravitan? Once they show up we can all sing together "Heil, heil, the gang's all here."

@Cassandra... You zionist clowns make me laugh my arse off. If you want to go to war against Iran... You and the rest of your zionist bozo friends can go join the Israeli's! My arse will stay at home.

The love affair with a nation that's just as hostile is disturbing to say the least.

@Henrich von Eric Dorf... Couldn't agree more. I thought Christians were suppose to be a peace loving religion? They sure know how to bang the war drum with the best of them.

While good Muslims remain absolutely peaceful not calling for anyone to be wiped from the pages of time or removed like a cancer and most certainly not blowing anything up, right?

Heres hoping Israel goes to war with Iran. We can allow all the Jew lovers to go fight there war for Israel, only to have them spit on them (literally) in Israel.

Or we can send all the Jew-haters to fight for Iran, only to have them spat on (literally) in Iran.

cass, the same is said if millerdoug shows up, and together with martin fart and steven B we can all sing together "Heil, heil, the gang's all here

@eli100

Zionist haters are not necessary jew haters. To call anyone jew-hater or anti-semite just because he/she disapprove the zionist regime policy towards the Palestinians is nothing but bigotry and deemed personal attack.

Same way nazi haters are not necessary German haters. Are you German haters too by the same logic.

Someone who says "We can allow all the Jew lovers to go fight there war for Israel" is not a Zionist-hater but definitely a Jew-hater.

@dls-387641... You know why the Congressional war hawks haven't been making any noise. Well for one... It's an election year and the American people are tired of war.

Secondly... Iran has some nasty untrustworthy allies in Russia, China, and North Korea. All three have vested interest in Iran because of that Black gold. That's why they war hawks are quiet... This could be a messy situation.

JackB

.....even with NK, Russia, China, and other right wing-led countries in play.

When did China,Russia and NK become "right wing-led"? Last time I looked China and NK were led by the Communist Party. The Communist Party is FAR from being right wing. As for Russia. I would argue that it is a Dictatorship that is still in the FAR LEFT OF CENTER camp. Perhaps you should do some better research.

Hey Garry, why don't you sign up for service with the IDF. They need brave souls such as you. They couldn't even handle Hezbollah, when they out numbered them 30,000 to 3000.

Don't worry, Israel hasn't got the guts to attack Iran, which is why the Zionists write these stories to scare wimps such as you.They did it prior to the war with Iraq.

Zionist warmongers like Ken Adelman and the Zionist Washington Post pushed the war in
an editorial titled, “Cakewalk in Iraq.” Jewish supremacists Richard Perle and
Paul Wolfowitz told you that Iraq would “Welcome us as liberators.” Iraq became
the longest war in American history. Here is a report from USA Today: “Pentagon
officials estimated for the first time Wednesday that up to 360,000 Iraq and
Afghanistan veterans may have suffered traumatic brain injuries.” Now that’s
not counting tens of thousands who have suffered maiming, amputations, or death
in this war based on lies.

Now they are doing the same thing and the wimpy right is falling for it again. Anyone who believes this nonsense is dumber than a turnip.

Got to love this logic: we went to war because Israel somehow made us and our own government or people who elected it had nothing to do with it.

I guess Israel also somehow made us fight the war in white gloves unnecessarily endangering our own people.

Don't worry, both Israel and USA have learned from the past mistakes. If it does come to war, neither will hold back, they will do a number on Iran without even putting boots on the ground. Or may be Israel really will handle it without USA and defeat Iran on their own just like they defeated 7 Arab states in the past.

So, you can relax, unless of cause it's really Iran that you are so worried about.

Look on the bright side, may be Iranians will realize all this and loose the nuclear program then there will be no need for war.

Eli - We went to war because Bush thought it would be cheap and easy. The Zionist/neocons who planned the war, sold it on that basis. Here is the real major reason Israel wanted the war. They wanted a new 42" pipeline from Iraq to Israel, along the route of an old 8" British pipeline. It would have enabled Israel to control the flow of oil to all of Europe. Great reason for a war, especially if you cam get the Americans to do the fighting and paying.Alas, Chalabi was a fraud - no pipeline yet.

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/08/15/Columns/Israel_s_pipe_dream__.shtml

Once the Pentagon's choice to lead the "new" Iraq, Chalabi
promised to reopen an old British-built pipeline from Kirkuk in northern Iraq
to the Israeli port of Haifa. The plan impressed Richard Perle, Douglas Feith
and other conservatives influencing Bush administration policy toward Iraq in
the lead-up to last year's war.

The idea also drew enthusiastic response from Israel.

"The pipeline would be a dream," Yosef Paritzky, Israel's minister
of infrastructures, said as reported by Salon.com. "We'd have an
additional source of supply, and could even export some of the crude through
Haifa. But we'd need a treaty with Iraq . . . to build the pipeline."

Once Chalabi assumed a position of influence in the new Iraqi government,
Israel would get its treaty, the neoconservatives were assured.

http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/19725/iraq-to-haifa-oil-pipeline-could-spur-economic-rebirth/

And the rest of US government still had nothing to do with it, right? Wonderful.