It's like the whole region has a contest to see which group can be the biggest Ahole.

dannyo53 -- Don't be so smug. Christianity has its own twisted history. Such things as the Spanish Inquisition and the destruction of European, Native American, Mayan, African and Asian religions and customs. All changed by force and torture when necessary. No religion on this planet has clean hands.

We aren't talking about history here. This is in real time.

Since the U.S. & allies are spending a fortune in blood and treasure to promote democracy, and democratic ideals such as religious tolerance in some of these situations (along with protecting self-interest), it's a report card.

I'm not speaking as a Christian, in case you missed that part freedomfrys. The point is that in places like Libya, Iraq, Mali, Iran...the march is backwards. You tell me why. By the way...I don't care about your religious preference either way.

I don't think he is being smug, just pointing out the obvious. Really is no surprise that radical Islamics are behaving in such a manner, not to mention no "authorities" even tried to stop it. IMO this is just the beginning. If we "help" Syria it will be the same way.

@ Patsy;

Surprise? I don't think so.

Umm I think he was being sarcastic.

I can not understand why they can not just live and let live. "black magic"?lol. Sounds like, Salem,Lybia.lol

Evolve already!

Sarcastic! Yes!

still waiting for the Great Pyramids, the Spinx and all the other world sites to be leveled by these 'great religions'. Yes they are going backwards, so does that mean they will also denounce the automobile and phone/pc and modern weapons too??

The Islamists destroy everything anywhere that does not please them. They destroyed the giant statues of the Buddha in Afghanistan, and they are doing similar destructive work in Mali right now. The Sufis are the "flower children" of Islam and the Islamists are the Southern Baptists of Islam. In that respect, they are similar to the people on Newsvine who collapse other peoples comments if they displease them. It's the same mentality in both cases.

So much for the all accepting, peaceful Religion of Islam. When is the leaders of Islam going to rise up and denounce these acts of barbarism. Oh I forgot they are the ones causing it.

If Islam can not act and evolve into the modern world peacefully then maybe it should join the other extinct religions of the past.

It's the US falt. Why didn't we just mind our own bussiness.

The Sufis are the most open and tolerant of all the Muslim world.The Whirling Dervishes who are known in all the world come from this tradition.Now the Islamic terrorists fascists want to eliminate them from Libya.Muslim winter.But as one writer said "surprise surprise"!

Libya post Gadaffi is nothing but a country full of armed militias and tribal chieftains with what passes for a government having somewhat control of a few cities.

I know people don't like to hear this but Libya under Gadaffi was a peaceful and relatively well run country with a decent measure of prosperity for its citizens. Gadhaffi was certainly no saint but relative to the other Arab rulers, he was no worse and by some measures, better.

For Libya, the worst is yet to come.

Long live the Arab Spring where the young with their "Twitter" and "Facebook" Revolutions find they were just useful idiots for their conservative religious hardline relatives. It's gonna get a whole lot worse before it gets worse. Muslims killing Muslims sounds about par for the course. It's a brotherhood until you start mentioning the succession (Shia/Sunni), but of course before that both of them have to gang up and start eliminating Sufi, Druze, etc.

Damn, sounds like that old Catholic pogram against the Cathars and other heretics, followed by Protestants taking issue and going against Catholics till both beat each other up enough to establish their home turf.

Humans stoned out on religion are some of the most vile animals on the planet.

@LEFTISTREPORTING why should it when followers of the Prince of Peace are still doing acts of barbarism and demanding to be protected when committing those acts? Maybe christianity should grow up itself and quit acting like it's above secular law before talking down to different faiths. Another ultra-conservative religious fundamentalist wants to hold the most powerful office in this nation. That should concern those of us who actually LIKE freedom.

Has no one else noticed that the machine used to destroy the Mosque is a backhoe, and NOT a bulldozer? Just sayin!

Libya post Gadaffi is nothing but a country full of armed militias and tribal chieftains with what passes for a government having somewhat control of a few cities.

But Hey, they managed a semblance of an election a few weeks back so just move along everyone, everything's coming along just fine in Libya.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!

Another EXCLAMATION POINT on Mr. Obama's support of the Middle East "Arab Spring" nations.

Wow, his foreign policies are really on target. Just think what he can accomplish IF he is re-elected to 4 more years. Maybe another Nobel Peace Prize after he invites the "winners" (Muslim Brotherhood) of the elections to the White House for a beer or two.

Arab Spring who would have guessed it turn into Ahol Spring...? everyone but the UN and Obama ,oh and Occupy Movement everyone knows there is only one season there...

@SEAN

Yah, but you gotta admit belief sure calms the spirit I mean without it we would be just barbaric. yes same thing as the revolt against the Shah in Iran in 1979 the students once again proving why you don't follow them because their students and don't know anything...this strange idea people have that if students are against it then it must be a just and progressive cause needs to be replaced with pratical people knowing the world is fulll of compromises and some corruption and the old saying "beware of what you ask for you might just get it" is lost on the idealistic and naive...and stupid

Bulldozer wrecks Sufi mosque.....

Would someone please show the NBC News Staff a picture of a Bulldozer vs a Backhoe.

Rontron,

You have a good point there! I guess NBC doesn't have many construction workers on their staff.

yah, but from a "NBC Journalist point of view Bulldozer just sounds more dramatic then razed by a backhoe or maybe their were afraid people would think they were making a racial remark...

I'malwayswrite,

Well that isn't a backhoe in the picture either. That is a full fledged demolition excavator.

The difference? A backhoe is typically used with a dump truck for demolishion of small buildings and excavation of sewer lines and small building foundations. The excavator will be used with large dump trucks and semi-trailers in mines and bulk material yards, or in demolition of large masonary or reinforced buildings. Sort of like David vs. Goliath.

Bill Marvell

In either case the machine was made by the kufr Koreans at Hyundai. So sad to see the pristine beaches and antique cities of teh once great Lybia fall into the hands of these religious thugs.

Charles the Hammerhead,

"these religious thugs"

The Koreans or the Libyans?

Who do yuou think ther Salafists are? Or the Wahhabis? They are the ultra religious stemming from Saudi Arabia (the imams and their backers with oil monies) Saudi Arabia destroyed all the pilgrims graves when the Family of Saud usurped power from the Hashemites. The graves from various pilgrims to Mecca were located in Jeddah-only Google shows images where they once were located. These puritanic Salafists (the rebels have plenty of them)have destroyed Libya's Heritage and Culture- before Obama's airwar in Libya started- the rebels falsely claimed that Quaddafi forces hiding in the ancient sites- their bluff was called in by Unesco. Now they destroyed the Sufi mosque/library-mausoleum/grave yards. European graveyards- they also have summarily executed thew SubSaharans (racist intolerance to max in all Mughreb countries) holding them w/o access tgo Red Cross/Crescant (that is an international agreement) unaccounted,unseen and Obama and HRC have not given one peep about any of these atrocities . In Egypt they have destroyed Copts' properties- Napoleon's Library- Sinai excursions (the caves in Halal mountains-bedouin culture)Mali's (world's)oldest mosque destroyed. They are hellbent in destroying Sufi pilgramage sites all over whre they can get their foothold in- Kashmir-Iraq. Did Obama/HRC miscalculate in giving these rebel renegades/salafists the means (money+modern weaponry)the ways (intel+communications equipment) .Yes,they did;they also created an underground rebel colony which goes to Syria-Egypt-Iraq-AAfghanistan (especially the Maghreb dual citizens).The MB (Muslim Brotherhood) is pretending to be 'reasonable-abiding by international agreements' while their brethen scheme to usurp all the power-install the Sunni/Salafi theocracies all over ME first- they are also in Jordan- Bedouins rescued King Abdullah's father many times from them. Now Hamas in Gaza is the entity going to Iran's NAM meeting and PA/Abbas is nonplused.

Exactly Right, mimi. A few months back it was on the other side of Libya, in Benghazi, where Islamist Nazis desecrated WWII British Commonwealth war graves, also in broad daylight. Here's the video for anyone who can stomach it:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f03_1330829653&p=1

Perrhaps we ought to visit upon Mecca, a 10megaton+ nuclear warhead with the promise to wipe the Kaaba from the face of the earth; along with a smaller bomb, 5-10 kiloton, under the Dome of the Rock. Neither should bother the Saudi royal family much, since it has already torn down over 70% of Mohammed's Mecca. Of course, the haj will disappear, as will Saudi pre-eminence in the Muslim world, since the most sacred spot will simply be a radioactive hole in the ground. I am tired of these "zealots" feeling free to destroy everyone else's tradition and history without cost.

And if terrorism rises, direct more of our REAL WMD's on Muslim population centers. And I am usually fairly liberal and toleratant. But these wars will never end until these crimes end.

rockmebritney,

"their sexiest, racist, and psychotic religious beliefs"

Are you trying to tell us you find their religious beliefs sexy? :)

cptmac,

"What is it about this Muslim "religion?".....car bombs, Syria, Africa, war on women.....everyday it is more hate and just plain rudeness....."

It's only what you see in the news media. Not all Muslims are like that. There are more than a billion Muslims in the world. If they were all like that, we would be up to our hips in blood.

I don't think it is the Religion (although, Promising things like 72 Virgins, is messed up) I think it is the HEAT!!! We just had one of the hottest summers on record here and look at the violence here.

That, and these are the second least evolved race on the planet. (ref, Coral Taxi)

But I think there is a definite correlation between heat and violence, look at Mexico, of course, the argument could be made for violence and evolution too. ;-)

DumbFarmBoy,

"Promising things like 72 Virgins"

I don't know where that myth of 72 virgins comes from. It may be from the Hadith if it is from any Islamic source at all, but I have read the entire Quran from cover to cover, and I have no recollection of the Quran saying anything at all about 72 virgins.

@ Mickey, I agree, not sure where it comes from either, "media myth?", corrupt clergy (imams)? Perhaps they don't actually tell suicide bombers of the rewards in Heaven for their "Martyrdom", and it is all propaganda for Westerners.

DumbFarmBoy,

Thanks for responding. I did some research on it since I posted that, and I found out that the myth of the 72 virgins comes mainly from one Hadith which, if I remember correctly, was written by al-Tarmidhi. But it is a Hadith that is considered suspect as to its authenticity by most Muslims. It is not one of the authoritative Hadiths like those of Bukhari or Sahih Muslim. The Quran does mention something about virgins called "houris" that are supposed to inhabit paradise, but it doesn't specify any number. Most Muslim mystics interpret the whole myth of virgins in paradise as simply a metaphor for the presence of God. I don't know if it is something they actually tell suicide bombers, but I agree that it is largely used as propaganda by Westerners who like to portray Muslims as a bunch of ignorant monkeys.

They not only hate all those of other religions but each different sect of their own as well. Strange people.

Or Mubarak,or Sadam, and perhaps soon to be Assad.

In general brutal dictatorships are harsh and inhumane to say the least, but as we have seen, very much necessary in some cases.

You know Justopit I think you may be right on that one . I've always been one to believe in a persons right to self rule (democracy) but in this area it seems like the many actually kowtow to the few without a second thought as if it is bred into them from birth , which makes democracy unrealistic . Only time will tell whether or not they can mature past their need for a dictator or not , but I am beginning to have my doubts .

Bill H,

Good point. Just like Iraq is better off now that Sodom is gone.

In general brutal dictatorships are harsh and inhumane to say the least, but as we have seen, very much necessary in some cases.

At the very least it's safe to say that secular dictatorships are better than theocratic dictatorships.

It's crazy how we're helping to overthrow secular leaders in the middle east in favor of Islamist radicals.

No, not better off. Gaddhafi was trying to come out of isolation. Mubarak, Assad--they will be walks in the park compared to the Islamic asswipes that will come to rule now. Especially for women and non-Muslims.

No Muslim country is really safe of okay for women or non-Muslims. Even Turkey will go Islamic sooner or later. It's a cancer on the face of the earth.

And their racism is profound, much worse than anything in the US or Europe. They kill and enslave blacks. The word for "black" that the Arabs use in the Sudan is the same as that for "slave." Always has been. The Arabs have been the slave-runners in Africa for hundreds and hundreds of years.

Adam, crazy? You don't think this is a calculated plan to bring back the caliphate by Muslims in our own government?

“In general brutal dictatorships are harsh and inhumane to say the least, but as we have seen, very much necessary in some cases.”

Isn’t that just another way of saying that democracy is only ok if one agrees with it, if not it is best to favour a totalitarian state?

Peace comes when everyone is dead and have gone to he77 with the founder of their religion of Peace. Violence is all this religion knows. The Arab Spring, how beautiful it was to see as the American press showed it to us, and as our President stood and welcomed it to all the world. Bring your Arab Spring to America is what they ask. I believe our Arab Spring was on 911!! Think about it! Europe now has gettos of young arabs that are starting to turn violent as they are instructed. And much of these problems are being with held from our news media. Friends of mine in Switzerland are very concerned about what's beginning to happen over there. And they say they hope this does not come to America as it has Europe.

Religion poisons everything.

Chris

Great Comment. Any chance in getting the media (NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX et alia) to report that viewpoint of differentiation of the sects of Islam? I did not see that anywhere in the report. It also may help stymie a lot of the vitriolic comments on these posts.

I believe tolerance is the only method that will enable people to live life to the fullest extent possible.

Many Americans DO "lump it all together". Us versus "them". (You know, THEM - those people who believe "this", who look like "that", who do "this", etc. They are "evil", "abnormal", "unnatural", or "primitive", and these adjectives are applied to entire groups of people abroad and at home. So much easier than "thinking".

Hi Jack from Jax! I and three other people had a bit of fun with word play in a comment thread the other day that in no way was offensive, mean spirited, partisan, or directed at you, and you said:

"Seems like you "four" Bozos - EngEsq, JTM-890765, Nikolaus20 and Vahid Trazan-5311412 either have multiple personalities, quad- joined at the head morons, or another alternative reality existence and each are the same person using multiple identities to come up with the same, redundant BS. Get a life and be productive."

Have you read my comments here? Am I productive enough for you? Do I sound like a moron, a bozo, someone without a life? Before bashing people, try clicking on their screen name and reading other comments that they've left, instead of making assumptions based on one.

Nikolaus20

I will apologize for the Bozo comment, as I did not see the sarcastic humor in it at the time. Once explained, I pay closer attention. I also think you will agree there are Trolls on these threads that sometimes try to "lure people under the bridge"? Thanks

Chris, If only the muslims kept the sickness to themselves no one would give a damn what strain their from.

Why when trying to pretend Islam is no worse than other religions do people have to go back hundreds of years for examples? The rest of the worlds religions became civilized, it's time for Muslims to catch up. More acts of violence by far are committed by Muslims than all other religions combined.

If they don't have a dictator to force them to act semi civilized they revert to their barbarism.

I agree 6dogs, this will be going on for years, and we in the west will be "involved", even if not directly involved, as the world is so interconnected now.

Bling

Islam has had 1500 years to develop a decent economy and government. The religion itself obstructs that. Won't happen.

rachel,

"Islam has had 1500 years to develop a decent economy and government. The religion itself obstructs that. Won't happen."

Have you ever actually read any books on Islamic history? It doesn't sound like it.

Yes, I have read books on Islamic history. If you're saying that they had a decent economy and government compared to medieval Europe, maybe. If you don't mind them making all "infidels" fifth class citizens and stoning women to death. And having slaves. And the poor being very poor. But go on and apologize for Islam using 500 year old references.

Oh, and have you EVER been to one of their countries? As a woman? Ever preached the gospel or given away a Bible?

Didn't think so.

rachel,

"Ever preached the gospel or given away a Bible?"

No, thank you.

So you don't know the "tolerance" of the murderous Muslim hordes, do you? Just sit in your living room in safe old USA and pass judgement. Coward.

rachel,

"So you don't know the "tolerance" of the murderous Muslim hordes, do you? Just sit in your living room in safe old USA and pass judgement. Coward."

That's pretty unkind and harsh language, both against Muslims and against me, especially for one who calls herself a "Christian". I guess Mahatma Gandhi was right when he said that most Christians do not really follow the teachings of Christ.

Timmer...or the GOP, Bush or the TEA PARTY.

I knew it was a matter of time before we head from one.

Most likely have the low paid interns doing the stories again. NBC lately has been having some quality issues with their stories. At least this one is minor but it does lead to being suspect of other information reported on this site.

John....ACTUALLY, ANY "news" reported by NBC / MSNBC is suspect of being poorly researched and biased.

Wolf--probably called a bulldozer because everyone knows what one is and what it does. Makes it easier to grab a reader's attention, get them to read the article and thus show those wonderful little ads for them to click on! Besides, who's to say an actual bulldozer didn't get there first?

@ Wolf, I was thinking the same thing, inept reporting(Duh, a track hoe ain't a bulldozer) (or at least inaccurate), but Slick makes a good point, and perhaps the track hoes are there for the clean up. Since no one may have gotten a picture of the dozers doing their thing, they got picture of the clean up.

The captions on the pictures are misleading though.

A liberal would tell you, that's just an insignificant detail, don't worry about it, we knew they meant. But let a Conservative, make a similar error, they have to Quote it verbatim, not what he/she meant, but what he/she said.

Kevin....those 'dozers were most likely supplied by your Great and Generous Democrats. After all, wasn't it Obama who so willingly took sides blindly in Libya?? This is nothing more than Muslims being Muslims....i.e., killing each other, destroying other Sects' Mosques and Homes......there is no news here.

Moderate in madison,

Only if they were from France or Italy, Libya's chief trading partners for oil and agriculture products.

Pulsar182;

I can't say I agree with the problem being Islam it is functioning as any religon was designed to do and that is justify a believer's actions or claims and in return the religious powers control larger groups of people to be used for the accumilation of political power, territory, and money.. the problem is not the religon it's the same ole greed and vanity of all humans ...

Islam is entirely made of up extremists and each sect of Islam is the worst. It's a miracle. If you are a muslim, none of the other muslims are muslim enough to suit you.

The Koran, Kuran, Q'ran or however it is spelled this week has never in history led anyone to tolerance or peaceful living. They pine away for the stone age as an impossible to reach futuristic goal.

Another country we have destabilized to benefit guesses who? Surely not the poor and helpless families of Libya. We are always willing to kill or support those who kill in promoting, what we call freedom only to allow even worst leaders to lead those "liberated" countries. I figure more blood, the more dollars for US business interest.