It looks like the turf war between the Red Cross and the Red Crescent has taken an ugly turn.

All Aid from USA needs to STOP NOW. No Natural Born American Citizens want to help these evil people.

Quit helping these and all horrible, evil people like them who are all Anti-American.

USA needs to be dropping napalm and agent orange and bombing the entire country to wipe these evil people off the face of the Earth.

It shows how stupid these people can be. They're only there to save lives, and they're getting murdered by these fanatics.

Is Pakistan going the same route that Cambodia went thru after the Vietnam War? Remember how the Khmer Rouge killed millions determined to enforce their version of govt on Cambodia? Will the Islamists take control of the country and do the same thing in a decade or so? Except the big difference is Pakistan is a nuclear power.

Being a Christian in Pakistan at this point is suicidal with the current fighting and hating America for the Drone strikes..If Americans are Christian then all Christians are hated..I would rather sell ice cream in S.Chigago.

Send all the Chicago gang bangers over there to bring back all the Pakistani nukes, then be done with them. When I was in Somalia, I had the pleasure of working with some Pakistanis. We made friends with a very nice pakistani sergeant, but he was punished and reassigned for fraternizing with us. These are not nice folks, and if you are naive enough to think they will be loyal friends, then there isn't too much that you won't believe.

It's definitely time to cut off Pakistan from anymore foreign aid. If they are going to treat peace keeping individuals like this??? enough is enough.

Just walk away. Don't wave bye bye. Just walk!

2 words...... F*&K Pakistan!!!!

I refuse to deliberately donate to ANY organization that sends aid anywhere outside of this country! The question is, how do we stop the guv'mint from sending our tax dollars outside the country as well? Politicians send our money over "there" while they cut our programs over "here"! Not only is that taxation without representation... its plain TREASON!

Any money or time spent over their is a waste of resources.

It is clear that these people don't want us over there! They don't deserve help in any form. Kids will only grow up to be future bombers. So level the place and get the hell out there. How did muslims manage to get over here for a failed "bomb" attack in New York? We keep stamping their pass-posts. Now they have mosques going up everywhere and our tax money is being used to protect their rights.

I applaud the doctors and nurses who go to places to help. Not for any polictical/financial reward, just to help. And then they have to deal with absolute animals. I would love to see the World get involved and tell who did this and others like them, that the world is gonna come kick their asses. As one unified involvement.

See what I mean said:

Now they have mosques going up everywhere and our tax money is being used to protect their rights.

We have had Muslims in our country for all 200+ years of our nation's history. When the attack came, it was from without, not within. There are American Muslims fighting over there in the Middle East against other Muslims, dying and making the ultimate sacrifice, and while our tax dollars are going to protect their rights, those same tax dollars are also being used to protect your rights, and mine.

It's what you do that matters, not whose Name you do it in!

This doctor's murder was apparently about ransom, not Islam. At least hate on people for the right reasons.

I wish the United States would cut off all financial assistance to Pakistan as fast as the Red Cross did.

I will have to disagree with your last statement Think. America has consistantly helped the countries who have wanted to destroy America past and present. Japan, Germany, Italy after WW2. We get browbeat for helping Isreal, but what about Egypt, or Jordan, or Lebanon(even after we lost over 200 marines) Saudi Arabia(Khobar towers and Bin Laden) Libya, Sudan, Somalia(even after the "blackhawk down fiasco and their pirate activities) Algeria, ect., ect.,ect. That is just the mediterranean side of the middle east, well... mostly the Med side. We constantly give through government aid and private charities to groups who wish us nothing but the worst possible fate.

It is the result of Osama's attack that we now go looking for trouble in their back yard so that it does not come back to our back yard. Look for the documentary "A world without US" and after that talk to me about our "extremist rhetoric". Nothing would make me happier than we could tell the world that we are no longer your policeman, but if not us, who? China? Russia? The EU? They all get to enjoy the peace and protection without spending a dime of their own money on their own military to reap the fruits of "globalization" and "world markets", all the while, they smile at America's financial deterioration because of the obligations we make to keep the world far safer than if we went back to an isolationist policy.

Time and time again the savages of the middle east show they are not part of the civilized world. Beheading teenagers having a music party, beheading red cross workers helping them survive basic disease, the list goes on. Islam went from the most literate religion in the world 600+ years ago to the most illiterate. They only teach reading so you can read the Koran. But women are not even human in there eye and are forbidden to read or go to school. Stop all aid to them pray that they all go to Ahlla tomorrow the world will be better off without these subhumans on it.

Look for the documentary "A world without US" and after that talk to me about our "extremist rhetoric".

How about we look right here, which is what I was referencing. That there are extremist spouting hate speech on both sides does not make it right for either.

@!$%# OFF Islam !!!

All Aid from USA needs to STOP NOW. No Natural Born American Citizens want to help these evil people.

USA needs to be dropping napalm and agent orange and bombing the entire country to wipe these evil people off the face of the Earth.

It shows how stupid these people can be.

These are not nice folks, and if you are naive enough to think they will be loyal friends, then there isn't too much that you won't believe.

It's definitely time to cut off Pakistan from anymore foreign aid.

Just walk away. Don't wave bye bye. Just walk!

2 words...... F*&K Pakistan!!!!

Any money or time spent over their is a waste of resources.

They don't deserve help in any form. Kids will only grow up to be future bombers. So level the place and get the hell out there.

Not for any polictical/financial reward, just to help. And then they have to deal with absolute animals.

Why do we expect sympathy from the rest of the world regarding Pakistan when our extremist rhetoric and actions are very similar to theirs? We can scream at each other and play blame games hoping to prove the other side is worse, or we can acknowledge there are extremists on both sides of the argument and shun them all equally. Our stereotypes of each other are not at all helpful.

Loose Cannon,
I agree with your statement, however, I must ask, what attack are you referring? Taking out Osama? I am sorry, I don't see that as a bad thing.
As you already know, if we had notified the Pakistanis, Osama would have packed up and disappeared again. It's pretty common knowledge by now that the OSI in Pakistan were plenty close to Bin Laden and al Qaida. Anything they knew was passed on to him. Living in Abbottobad should be plenty of evidence of that.

If the Red Cross can stop their aid, so can the US. Stop giving them money. We don't need their political, or lack of, pull in the region.

AG99- Doesn't matter if it was for ransom. Doesn't make it ok. But it was still done by a radical Muslim. If it was done by a Catholic, it would have made worldwide news immediately. Not saying Catholics don't commit crimes. They do. But they don't practice a religion that demands they kill. Real Islam doesn't teach that. It is radical Islam which is different and followed by weak, cowardly men who don't know right from wrong. Or human rights for that matter.

Gabriel-1934044 I agree with you, but if we stop giving them something, Russia or China will. Russia and China approve of helping countries who love violence against their own people for their own interest. Which they condone doing to their citizens daily also.

The civilized world should withdraw from Muslim fundamentalist nations and let them implode from within into ashes, perhaps something better can grow afterwards.

WHAT ELSE IS NEW X you surely seem pretty evil to me.

Thinknaboutit, think some more. How many people were beheaded by the US over religious beliefs or because they belonged to the Red Cross???? Those people were reacting to an article. Keep on topic! It's people like you that vote and that is kinda scary!

If these people want to fight and kill each other in the name of Islam, let them, just not on our dime. Cut all ties and funds to Pakistan.

Linda, how many Pakistani drones have dropped bombs on American children in America? People here are reacting to an article and condemning all of a country for the actions of a minority group. I am just as much on topic as anyone spewing hateful rhetoric against Pakistan, we just don't like it when our hypocrisy is pointed out. I understand that extremists are scared by rational thought, no surprise I scare you.

The fact that the Red Cross is even in that country still as well as certain other countries is exactly why I will never donate a dime to the Red Cross.

I also noticed that the story stated the Red Cross has been in the country since the end of British Colonial times. At what point does it sink in that endlessly feeding these people and providing them doctors is not helping their situation or improving things in the long run? You're just facilitating hate mongers and their breeding habits.

Stop the Aid to Pakistan.

Let them cross the American/Mexican border illegally like our 5HIHEADS do.

@ Militaryman My reference is to the 9/11 attack that he gave his blessing to. I too am happy that we went in and removed him from this earth. My statement was directed about how some people wish to use the ineffectial blowhards here that spew forth bile and hate, and really those who think they truely represent American opinion. I know the immediate response will be that what these Iman's spew does not represent Islam either. Normally I would agree, but I still have a VERY vivid memory of people dancing in the streets of most major cities throughout Islamic countries at the news of the twin towers attack. If this religion is so peace loving as so many claim, why did so many celebrate? You saw a "celebration" when Seal Team 6 did its job and removed public enemy #1 in a few cities in America, but not the masses dancing in the streets. You did not see huge parties in Europe, and even here in America, you saw a big celebration in NYC and Washington DC, where the attacks took place. Chicago? Atlanta? LA? I only heard about small celebrations and memorials throughout the rest of the nation. So by the masses own actions, they proved to me that there is not one nation that has an Islamic majority that I belive America should help in any way.

Let the Red Crescent take care of them and see how good that works. This country is a black hole sucking up US funds and giving nothing in return. Get out of Afghanistan and we won't need them.

Eric- NY....."Any money or time spent over their (SIC: there) is a waste of resources."

Re-direct that to Mr. Obama, his administration, or his surrogates. I am sure you have the White House or "Media Matters" email addresses.

It was a little anti-climactic also, since it took 10 years to catch Bin Laden.

Thanks for clearing that up. Your statement was a little vague.

Even at the time, I was furious that we diverted world attention to Saddam Hussein, when we knew he was nothing but a blow hard as it was. So he was a thorn in GW Bush's side, al Qaida and Bin Laden were the real issue, and had been since the towers came down.
In fact, Clinton bears some blame here as well, since Bin Laden targetted the towers in 1993. We didn't go after him then, and we should have. Hind sight is 20/20.

It was a little anti-climactic also, since it took 10 years to catch Bin Laden.

Thanks for clearing that up. Your statement was a little vague.

Even at the time, I was furious that we diverted world attention to Saddam Hussein, when we knew he was nothing but a blow hard as it was. So he was a thorn in GW Bush's side, al Qaida and Bin Laden were the real issue, and had been since the towers came down.
In fact, Clinton bears some blame here as well, since Bin Laden targetted the towers in 1993. We didn't go after him then, and we should have. Hind sight is 20/20.

Religion + Politics = Death

Ever since WW2 its seems the United States has seen itself as the planetary police, getting involved all over the world in other country's internal affairs. We now have bases all over the world, why? Do we really need almost 300 military posts in Germany? What about those in Spain, Italy, Turkey, Japan, and so many islands in the Pacific? We're spending billions on these military installations for what? Our own country is in the midst of an infrastructure failure that we can't afford to fix but we're rebuilding other countries? The US went to Afghanistan to get Bin Laden and get the Taliban out of power. We did that, so why are we still there? The Pakistanis don't want us there, the Afganis don't want us there. Its their countries. We did what we went there to do and now need to get out. Apparently they don't want the Red Cross there so they should all leave too. If the US wants to protect itself, they should take the troops OUT of most of the other countries and start here by securing our own borders.

Red Cross should have pulled out years ago and left the mission to the red crescent . let those folks kill each other off no need for outsiders to get involved

sub humans killing sub humans and the downside would be? perhaps the key is to allow tactical nukes to both Sunni and sh ites so they could exterminate each other more efficiently - the world in total gains with a few million less terrorists in the world

These turban people are a weird bunch. To he!! with them take away all aid and let the lawless heathens kill each other no loss. I for one will not donate to the red cross or any agency that helps that lawless bunch of heathens it is sad that this is called religion, Islam is NOT peaceful but cold, cruel and hateful!!!!!

We should practice 1800's aid. Box up a few hundred pallets of smallpox infested blankets and send them over. We did this for the Seminole tribe (thanks to Jackson), in the 1800's. So it should be good enough for the Pakistani. After all - they are our allies.

And if our medicine is bad for them, then our diseases should be good for them.

There are 2 religions that have opposed each other for centuries ,Catholic and Islam ,they want control of Temple Mount . They both have killed in the name of GOD ,when GOD said ye shalt not kill . I can use their Koran to prove they serve SATAN, Bible says Satan is the Father of Lies,the Great deciever. Muslims don't understand that a SCHEME is a deception or lie . Koran 3:54 They schemed and Allah schemed ,and Allah is the Greatest of schemers. 7:99 Who considers himself safe from Allahs schemes (Deceptions) none considers himself safe from allahs schemes, except those that are perished (Dead in Christ) Mohammed is admitting that even devout muslims are not safe from Satans deceptions, and they're too ignorant to realize, Satan is bragging about how he has decieved them. Notice the wording here ,Spread with the sword the Faith that" I HAVE GIVEN YOU/ not God given,mohammed given" this was Mohammeds orders to his followers .

Fanatacism is not a good thing, regardless of it's degree or where it originates from. Having said that, I say it is time we pull completely out of the Middle East. All we are doing is spending our money for nothing. Stop all aid to countries Like Egypt, Israel, Pakistan, etc. Let's use that money to help repair our infrastructure here and help U.S. citizens. Anybody feel different than this, let them send their own personal funds to help. I prefer my tax dollars to be used here.

I agree. Why do we help these savage animals. They need to be wiped out on a genetic level to make sure they never reproduce.

Why do we help these savage animals. They need to be wiped out on a genetic level to make sure they never reproduce.

They are savages because they are religiously fundamentalist. We need to learn from this and not make the same mistake.

Russia's invasion of Afghanistan was political and a failure because of it. Communism is, was, and always be a lie because it is based upon bureaucratic corruption rather than the production of increased wealth by a country. The only lasting by-products of that invasion was the pipeline of heroin from Afghanistan to Russia (where heroin addiction is now a worse problem than alcoholism) and the incubation of the Taliban and Al Qaeda by us because we refuse to follow up with helping the Afghans after we taught them how to use Stinger missiles.

What is needed is Cultural Genocide to move the country from the 7th Century into the 20th Century. However, we lack the cultural, military, and financial skills to do it, anyway.

We are "too civilized" and too broke and too far away to successfully do it. (Gas for our military vehicles costs $400 per gallon by the time it gets there.)

The country close enough with the technical skills and the financial resources and the cultural ability to provide the 21st Century nation-building in the form of cultural genocide is Afghanistan's next door neighbor China. And China's "Communism" is based on profitability rather than dogma.

It is now time for China to exercise its skills as a true 21st Century political power by sending in 250,000 UN sanctioned Peace Keepers to seal the Afghan borders, disarm all insurgents (and all other Afghans), burn the heroin crops in SE Afghanistan (despite how that will piss of the Russian Mob), and build the roads and factories to develop the rare-earth mines in NE Afghanistan.

Besides China won the war in Vietnam. Its time they won a war for us.

or just drop an atomic bomb on them, the world will be better off.

Steven,
You're about 60 years out of date...we could always send a NUCLEAR weapon over there. Not quite the same thing, and it's more bang for the buck.

I would guess that would not go over real well with the rest of the world, however.
We've got a bad enough rep bcause of the CIA meddling in everyone else's fruitloops. Nearly every evil we've been fighting for the last 40 years have been the direct result of previous US interference. We put the Shah of Iran in power, Saddam Hussien was supported by the US prior to the Iraq/Iran war in the 1980s, Norieaga in Panama...the list can go on for a while.
The largest issue we need to step back and look at is; many of these people, like Osama and Noriega felt they had been disrespected. We knew what they were when we helped them, but when we didn't need them any longer, we walked away. When they abused the power we set them up with, we didn't hesitate to slap their fingers. Just as Maliki in Iraq will undoubtedly become a tool for Iran.

I just looked this up. The United States has given 8.46 BILLION dollars to Pakistan over the last 10 years. Are you kidding me?? What a joke to support a terrorist country. This needs to stop completely.

right on !!!!!!

My thoughts exactly,we have homeless people ,people can't eat due to lack of $$,Vets on the st.s and we send billions to these savage nations . Stop already,u awholes in DC were voted in to protect our nation and OUR PEOPLE,not some cave dwelling savages. Semper Fi!!!Great comment Metheman.

I totally agree. If we cant take care of our own we certainly cant afford to send money to outside countries. It is time to cut the cord and let them sink or swim on their own. That goes for Afghanastan and all those other two-faced countries who wont allow us to do anything without us paying them bribes. Its ridiculous to think we can change them. They cant even get along with their own. NO MORE AID to the middle east. Lets just get out and stop allowing them into our country. They infest..just look at the UK... they all moved in and then brought all their familes over once they settled and then all went onto state aid. ..dragging down the UK economy and refusing to live like the other Brits. This included building their own schools etc. If they dont want to adjust to the ways of the country they are moving to they need to stay in their own country.

Heeeey now, >>> OBEEEE sayyyyed thaa it t'wud be aw'right cause he wuz/is gonna take care of it n' ussssa too. BUTTTZ HE also said there are NO sweeter wurdzz on this earth than HIS MHOOOOOZahlim call to wuurrshipp. >>>>>>> BUTTTZ tho he claims to be a Christain!!!?????????????

ARE WE stupid orr what???WTH, ... wait NO NEED TO ANSWER that!!! (FROM a FORMER DEMOCRAT) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

didnt know their was a religion of peace ... religion has sparked wars forever and continues to do so ... christianity was one of the worst ..

No metheman, it was the godless governments of Russia, China, Cambodia and many others over the centuries by far!!

sorry jim i dont believe that .. many many killings were in the name of religion ... what were the crusades ? and those governments you mention all had leaders of one faith or another and their religious beliefs decided what they would do in many situations .. what about the sunnis and shiites they are still fighting in the name of religion ... i could go on but its endless really ... religion is cruel ...

Sometimes the CIA provokes militants to do these things in order to fuel the escalation of an American Occupation. We're not stupid...

Well Metheman, considering it's 2012 and we're not in the middle of the crusades, it's a little more complicated than just "blaming the christians".. The Christians are the people giving aide and dying to help others.. As an FYI, quite a few of our soldiers (probably more than half) are Christians, keeping you safe.. Just saying..

Metheman,

I think you are referring to the crusades led by the Catholic church and the Vatican. Both of which do not represent Christianity. Christianity represents freedom of choice. You can chose to accept or reject what Jesus did for us on the cross. Christianity is not about us killing someone because they don't believe as we do. Christianity is about accepting Jesus and following his example by loving your neighbors and your enemies as well as keeping his commandments.

@metheman: The Crusades were a defensive war to remove an invading army from the Byzantine Empire. The Levantine area was Roman as of 64 BC, and fell under the government of Constantinople when it was founded in 324 AD. The Seige of Jerusalem was in 627 AD, which meant the deposition of the rightful owners (Christian Byzantines) by the Islamists.

Personally, I think owning land for nearly 700 years kind of shows who the rightful owner is, right?

As for body count, Jim in PA is correct. If you add up just the 20th century victims of Nazism, Communism and Monarchy, it far outstrips the numbers of all prior centuries together. Because, let's face it, World Wars 1 & 2, the Korean War, Viet Nam etc are all *way* higher body counts than ever in history.
Throw in other a-religous wars such as the conquests of Napoleon, the Roman Republic (and Empire up to 314 AD if one wants to get picky), the US Civil War, the War of 1812, the American Revolution, the French & Indian Wars... and it's a no-brainer. Most wars are NOT based around religion!

Laulas said:

As an FYI, quite a few of our soldiers (probably more than half) are Christians, keeping you safe.. Just saying...

And we have soldiers in our armed forces who are Muslim keeping us safe, Muslim soldiers who have died over their fighting this war, against other Muslims.

It's what you do that matters, not whose Name you do it in!

people don't go around throwing bombs and yelling IN THE NAME OF CHRIST

Well Laulaus I havent just blamed the christian religion .. I used it as an example from the past and I used the shiites and sunni's as an example of the present .. I speak of most religions in general and it was just one example but one of the biggest ... Thanks for letting me know that were in 2012 and some of our soldiers are religious I hadnt had a clue .. and you are trying to insinuate that I am against our soldiers if they are religious ... shame on you .. to each his own sister .. and the christians are the only people giving aid and dying to help others ?.. thats a little closed minded .. are you christian ? just sayin

Well Jim if the Russians, Chinese and Cambodias love them so much let them take care of them. Countries like Pakistan and Afghanastan are never going to progress as long as they keep getting help from outsiders, They are like spoiled over indulged teenagers. They arent going to do anything to grow up until they have no other choice.

As for religion?? I believe organized religion is a hustle. I believe in a power greater then myself and my spiritual belief and faith is between me and him..I dont need some middleman telling me what I can and can not do...and how I should worship.

corrupt moral hater agenda lol that sounds like you the way you are attacking me .. you are the hater mr know it all .. all looks pretty violent to me .. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

I think you are referring to the crusades led by the Catholic church and the Vatican. Both of which do not represent Christianity.

Wrong - Catholicism represented Christianity at that time... if you believed in Jesus Christ as your savior that was your choice... then of course with the added saint tag ons. If it wasn't for the Catholic church carrying the story of Jesus during this time there would be no Christian church today that we know. Play self-righteous if you need too, but you better thank them and you better thank the crusades if you are sitting in a Protestant cleaned up Evangelical/Fundamentalist church in the West today.

That's not religion... that's just basic history.

Christianity represents freedom of choice.

Oh, my lordy gawd! Freedom of sexual partner, freedom of women's right to choose, freedom of attending church on Sunday, freedom of tithing... and the longer you go to a specific congregation... freedom of hair style, freedom of clothing style, color of clothes, how many bible studies attended, home groups, how many children you have... Oh, please, if you really want to belong in "Christianity" there is no freedom at all.

If you want to be on the outside and know Jesus/God... then yes, there is freedom. But you will be alone.

Sure, let's invade Pakistan. We all know how well that worked in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Oh, and by the way, who is this "we"? Will you be going? I didn't think so keyboard commando.

Tommy, do you know they have Nukes?? Just cut the aid, they have no GDP except cheap tee shirts. We can offset by exporting deoderent they do not use.

We need a law that says we cant give aid until we got our own house in order.

Its because its so obvious that it needs no mention. The Vatican is every bit as bad as Al Queda.

aid reduced, not stopped alltogether. would not be stopped if the beheaded

had all been Americans. we don't want to make them mad at us. have to be

politically correct you know! just Pakistan's version of the inquisition! LOL

Trivializing history does not negate it.

Trivializing history does not negate it.

...which is what saying "The Vatican is every bit as bad as Al Queda." is.

If people would concentrate on growing food and developing sustainability for all and helping those in need, there wouldn't be these problems

It wouldn't be enough. You'd have to bow down to their religious beliefs, too.

I'm guessing that your initials are KS and your IQ is 7.12...

1. They aren't "pig loving", they are pig hating.

2. If they are left alone inside their own countries and you say to leave them alone, then how in your follow on paragraph do we "fight back" or even consider that there's "a war going on".

3. They don't "kill us" when we go outside our country - are you hearing of Americans being killed in Canada or Mexico or South America or England or Italy or anywhere like that by Muslim terrorists?

While yes, we are in some wars right now, in case you haven't been paying attention - we started those. What did Iraq do to the US? What did Afghanistan do to the US? What the heck do you mean - "maybe we will fight back before it's too late"? Pay attention, we're fighting already but we're fighting like idiots - we're trying to win some kind of nice war or something and not just blowing the *&%$ up.

I will agree with you somewhat on organized religion - it's track record throughout history is horrible.

All these mosques going up left and right over here in the name of freedom of religion? Don't worry there are plenty of crazy half-cocked white boys armed to the teeth here in the south. Lock and load.

sleepingsaide is a terrorist sypmathiser..that or Muslim..either way equals terrorist sympathiser.

Except Pakistan already has nuclear weapons, so we kinda do have to intervene.

It's gonna be a bad day when India and Pakistan decide they don't like each other anymore and decide to nuke the crap out of each other. Probably be a religious nuking too (Hindu vs Muslim).

#20.1 Do a little more reading about past and currents events in Pakistan and India. The fact that India has not attacked Pakistan is a minor miracle of diplomatic restraint. India has it's hand full trying to keep the terrorists out of their region on an hourly basis.

There are part of India that border Pakistan and that buffer zone country Kasmir, where mortar attacks in the cities are an every day occurance.

Who was the raving idiot that gave Pakistan the technology? Take a wild ass guess.

Snow is right..the pakies have Nukes..thats why we are so nice to them...to keep them from blowing everyone around them up. Pakistan and India hate each other..over some petty, piece of crap, hunk of land that doesnt even belong to either of them called kasmir.....if we were not in between them they would be dropping nukes on each other...believe that!

Anyone who has truly been paying attention knows that the people who were propped up as leaders in the Middle East where done so by the USA and that the people we are having to fight with now learned at the hands of the USA.

We've brought so much on this ourselves it's not even funny. Hell, it would have been better to partner with Russia back then and take over those areas and split the profits, instead, we supported those fighting against Russia and trained them and introduced them to advanced weapons.

Sadly, Aftab, you make a valid point. Heck, US also responsible for Operation Ajax taking down democratically-elected Mossadeq in Iran on behalf of Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (now BP) and putting the Shah in power. We've created the evil we now face from both Iran and Pakistan.

The question is what to do about it. Is this like, "you broke it, you bought it"?

BULLCACA ...... Pakistan has been a cesspool for years BEFORE the U.S. even had Diplomatic Relations with these murderers. Yeah, Aftab knows the "root cause" of the "problems" !!! Radical and Murderous Islamic Pakistanis in areas which the Pakistan Government doesn't even try to control. Hint: If you are in a locked room with a Pakistani and a COBRA, kill the Paki...The COBRA MAY NOT BITE YOU!!!

Aftab Ahmad-1748532

Your argument is irresponsible. Once again it is the weakness of blaming the problem on somebody else. Pakistan has been steadfastly Islamic since the Moghul empire. The madrassa system of sharia jurisprudence is centuries old. The US has been indirectly involved in Pakistani affairs on occasion, especially during Afghanistan's war of independence, but they were never a cultural dictator. Pakistan is it's own culture, and its leaders are all Pakistani born and chosen. It is hardly a client state of America.

The Moghul empire was pretty much the same Islamic terror then as it is now. Now it is contained.

Would you agree that before the invasion of Islam the Afghan people were pretty much Buddhist? The evidence seems to suggest. Would you agree that there is an accusation by Islamists thet Buddhism is idolotry? Would you agree that there is evidence of centuries belligerent vandalism of the Buddhist iconography?

The bellicose nature of Islam was around long before America was even a nation. Did you know that America's first foriegn war (battle of Tripoli in 1801) was against the acts of terror and kidnapping committed by the Ottoman Turks?

Blame the US....that is the 'perfect' reason, sort of excuses all the atrocities Pakistan has committed upon themselves for centuries, right?

What a childish and immature thought process...exactly the reason why Pakistan is constantly in turmoil (its not my fault, its everyone else's fault - blah blah).

Think about it....if the US were as powerful as you claim, we'd be able to end all the BS thats going on now, correct? Actually, it probably would have never begun.

Pakistanis need to learn how to be responsible for their own foolish cruelty and stupidity.

Aftab, well being born and raised there I guess you wouldn't know of the long drawn out congressional battle to stay out of Afgan's war with Russia. I guess you wouldn't know it was the bleeding heart do gooder's and communist hater's who secretly supported Afganistan while congress argued as Afganistan begged the US for help.

I guess you wouldn't know that the bleeding heart's and communist hater's won over congress by convincing them that the people of the ME could be trusted and were worthy of help. I guess you didn't know how in the name of helping Afganistan alliance's had to be made and that those alliance's betrayed and took advantage of their strategic value of helping the US to help those begging for help because their own regional neighbor's did not.

I guess you knew as little about the true nature of the US helping as the US knew of the true nature of the back stabbing people of Afganistan and Pakistan and all the rest of the mix of muslim's smiling in our face's for our military and economical help.

I guess your being born and raised there mean's you will be going back since the US is such a terrible place to have believed anything good could have come from helping anyone in the middle east. Let's not even get started on the Shah of Iran who betrayed not only the people of Iran but the US also. That if not for his betrayal the people of Iran would have as free and open a society as they the people, not the allibaba's, might choose to have.

Yea I can come to an honest conclusion as to who is to blame for this mess, and also who has, by way of trusting deceitful liar's and betrayal and cultural misunderstanding, made some very big mistake's. But being born and raised in Pakistan, I wonder, can you come to an honest anything?

We should never compromise with these savages...ever. Pull out all of our aid and place sanctions on any aid group trying to bring supplies into that terrorist haven called Pakistan.

And a whole bunch of condoms

Condoms are a waste. Many Pakistanis don't understand the difference between anal and vaginal intercourse. Otherwise their population rate would be even higher.

(This is a true statement and not just an insult.)