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Damaged cars that three Iranian scientists - Masoud Ali Mohammadi, right, Majid Shahriari, center, and Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan -- were riding in when they were killed in bombings over the last three years are displayed Sunday outside a conference hall hosting the meeting of Non-Aligned Movement in Tehran, Iran.
United Nations’ Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon denounced Iran in its own capital Thursday for calling for the destruction of Israel and denying the Holocaust.
Ban’s decision to attend the summit in Tehran of the 120-nation Non-Aligned Movement, or NAM, has been criticized by the United States and Israel, but he used the opportunity to slam the Iranian regime, albeit without mentioning it by name.
Iran hopes the high-profile event will prove that Western efforts to isolate it and punish it economically for its disputed nuclear program have failed. The West fears it is seeking to develop nuclear weapons, Iran says its program is for peaceful purposes.
The remains of three wrecked cars -- in which three Iranian nuclear scientists were traveling when they were assassinated -- were on display outside the summit venue. A photo exhibition called “Iran, the Victim of Terrorism” and subtitled: “More than 17,000 Terror Victims! For What Crime?” was being held nearby, The Financial Times newspaper (operates behind a paywall) reported.
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But fears of Iranian aggression toward Israel have been stoked by hostile language from Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He has repeatedly denied the Holocaust and this month called Israel a "cancerous tumor.”
In his speech, Ban took Iran to task.
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“I strongly reject threats by any member state to destroy another or outrageous attempts to deny historical facts such as the Holocaust," he said, according to Reuters.
"Claiming that Israel does not have the right to exist or describing it in racist terms is not only wrong, but undermines the very principle we all have pledged to uphold," he added.
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Meir Javedanfar, an Iranian-Israeli expert at the Interdisciplinary Center in Herzliya, Israel, said that Ban deserved credit for his blunt remarks in Tehran and said that Israel should thank him for speaking out so clearly.
"In the history of the Islamic Republic, nobody has challenged the supreme leader's (Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's) position on Israel in front of him, and in such a manner,” he told Reuters. “This is likely to have long-term reverberations and consequences inside Iran's halls of power."
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However, Deputy Israeli Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon said Ban would have conveyed a stronger message by boycotting the NAM summit.
"His going there harmed the message and really sabotaged the efforts, which are so critical today, to stop the illegal Iranian nuclear activity," Ayalon told Israel Radio.
America's 'bullying manner'
In his speech, Khamenei criticized the U.N. Security Council as a tool used by the United States "to impose its bullying manner on the world."
"They (Americans) talk of human rights when what they mean is Western interests. They talk of democracy when what they have is military intervention in other countries," he declared.
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On Wednesday, Ban urged Khamenei to prove that Iran's nuclear work is peaceful.
"Our motto is nuclear energy for all and nuclear weapons for none," Khamenei told the conference Thursday, although his words will likely do little to allay Western suspicions.
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A report from the U.N. nuclear watchdog this week is likely to voice concern about the Parchin military complex southeast of Tehran, to which its inspectors have been denied access.
The International Atomic Energy Agency believes Iran has conducted nuclear-related explosives tests at Parchin. Western diplomats say satellite images suggest Iran has cleansed the site, which it says is a conventional military facility.
The IAEA's new quarterly report will say Iran has installed more than 300 new uranium enrichment centrifuges at its Fordow underground site since May, Vienna-based diplomats say.
Iran is using Fordow to enrich uranium to 20 percent fissile purity, taking it much nearer the 90 percent needed for bombs. Tehran says the material is for a medical research reactor.
"There is reason to be concerned by increased tempo of enrichment, the larger stockpile of enriched uranium and, most importantly, the additional centrifuges installed in the deeply buried facility at Fordow," said Mark Fitzpatrick of the International Institute of Strategic Studies think-tank.
Reuters contributed to this report.
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Bravo Ban.!! Someone has to expose these nazi type Islamic Iranian fascists for what they are!!.
Yo Ahmanutjob and Khameni! How's it feel to have someone badmouth you in your own country, just like you and your bud Chavez came to ours to do? Hope the U.N. Secretary General had you squirming like a fish in a frying pan! Bravo to Secretary Ban-Ki Moon.
Its not gonna happen, its all empty balls! Israel needs a ''monster'' in the region to keep the begging bowl full. All that aid, funds and ''loans'' has to continue to roll in.
Frankenstein at its best, keep up the good job Israel!
Ban showed he is not afraid of anyone. Be careful Ban Khameni may call a fatwa on you.
Maximiliuss
It is Iran, Syria and all the Islamist that need a monster (escape goat) Without Israel, USA and the West, who are these countries' leaders going to blame for their own failings?
With USA and Israel strongly behind him, why would Ban be afraid of anybody? They are the masters of the universe. He has always been their stooge and obedient servant doing their bidding without shame. We are all living in lawless times where there is no "COLLECTIVE SECURITY" nor "INTERNATIONAL LAW". We are in the times of the "LAW OF THE JUNGLE".
I didn't realize that condemning a country for threatening to completely annihilate another was proof that Ban was an American stooge. Silly me!
/sarc
Are you for or against the complete destruction of Israel, D. Gabriel?
Armando - None of your business! I stand by my statement.
D Gabriel..Ban is a South Korean and is not a lackey of anyone least of all the U.S or Israel.When he was foreign minister of Korea he hardly went overboard to please either of the 2 countries.And as head of the U.N he´s been the same.I The head of the U.N inspector a renowned Japanese nuclear expert is also the lackey of no one.These 2 Asians are men of extreme integrity.Your attempts to discredit them are futile .As for your opinions perrhaps you´re a stooge of some Islamic terrorist country like Iran. They are about the only ones that talk like you.Iran will fall because just like nazi Germany and Japan fell becuase they arean imminent threas to the whole world with their terrorists and pyscho nazi like huffing and puffing.Good things these two Asian men are helping the cause.And I repeat you talk like a stooge of isalmic terrorism.These 2 men,on the contrary are the stooges of no one!!
Jeez, I was just asking you to clarify your position on Israel. It's not like I asked you about the size, quality, and consistency of your latest bowel movement.
Armando, I think it can safely be said that Gabriel's rude response answered your question. He seems to be an ardent Israel hater and it is useless to try to have a reasonable conversation with such people.
Ed, I just want people like D. Gabriel to have the courage of their convictions and be totally upfront about what they truly believe.
I can see that the paid AIPAC flunkies are trolling the discussion post again. I hope they pay you well for scouring the internet for Israel
cynical175: you really think I'd do pissant stuff for a podunk organization for AIPAC? I'll have you know this is part of my work for Majestic 12.
Armando, kudos to you on a great comeback! Majestic 12, lol.
cynical,
And just how well is the Arab League paying you?
Armando, I truly understand what you are saying above but I think it is pretty much a given that haters and bigots have neither courage nor convictions to begin with.
Ed, I wouldn't say that haters like D. Gabriel and RalphH (a "progressive" who legitimately cites David Duke? Are you KIDDING me?) don't have convictions. They clearly do: they hate Jews and Israel. Hell, sometimes, they don't even try concealing their prejudices and refer to Jews as "Zionists" (a dog-whistle if ever there was one).
What they do lack is courage, because they know that if they said what they truly want to see happen, they would be raked over the coals and expose the entire anti-Israel project as simply Hitlerism 2.0 (yeah, I went there), and rightfully so.
Cue the "progressive" apologists for the theocratic, terrorist-supporting, racist, sexist, homophobic, and Holocaust-denying government of Iran in 3, 2...
Cue the GOP strawmen and right-wingers arguing against a position that hasn't even been made in 3... 2...
Ha...oh recalcitrant "conservatives"...
I wouldn't be sure which government you were talking about (Iran or Israel) had you not put "Holocaust-denying". Of course, if you were describing Israel, you'd have to add "rogue-nuclear-weapon-having" and "human-right-violating".
Is there no irony in the fact that Israel confines the Palestinians to ghettoes for stated reasons very similar to those used by the Germans to justify confining the Jews in ghettoes? None? Perhaps instead of "Holocaust-denying" we could say "Holocaust-repeating" in reference to Israel.
yeah one eyed
cause everyone knows Israel is forcing Palestinians into concentration camps and gassing the hell out of them.
yeah they are just like the nazis huh... douche.
Erock, nice ad hominem attack.
But really, I'd be very interested to know what you think "everyone knows" about the treatment of the Palestinians. Seriously. Please do enlighten me. Have they not been moved from their homes into walled ghettoes? Are they not currently being kept in said ghettoes while soldiers guard the walls? Tell me what you think is going on over there. Maybe I'm horribly misinformed. This could be your chance to convince someone. Do it. Provide something other than a conclusion and a personal attack to make your case.
And, no. I did not say they are "just like the Nazis." I merely implied the difference is one of degree, not kind.
One-Eyed, you conveniently forgot to mention all the Jewish land confiscated by the Muslim nations throughout Africa and the Middle East, not to mention the forced exodus of the Jews from many Muslim nations. While we're at it, you also neglected to mention that Israel's military actions have been of a defensive nature, while those of the Muslims have been offensive in nature. If a wild dog is biting you in your own back yard you must do something to keep it under control. We could also talk about the same and similar situations the Jews have faced and continue to face in Europe, but I digress. That's another story for another article.
You're so fair minded.
Jimmy, there's a reason why I put the word "progressive" in quotation marks.
Plus, I know what I'm talking about.
One-Eyed Undertaker, I didn't say anything about the Palestinians (I support a two-state solution, in case you're wondering.) I just find it interesting that there's a certain segment of the Left that sides with a theocracy that, apart from its sympathy for the Palestinians, stands for everything else that the Left is against.
By your logic, would Jim Crow laws in Montgomery, AL have justified that city being destroyed by a Soviet ICBM in the 60s?
Sichaun and Armando...you misunderstand me. I don't think any of these actions supports "destroying" anyone. I'm agnostic on the matter. I just think our reporting is clearly biased in favor of an Israeli (and perhaps US) strike on Iran--which is why I point out Israel's many faults when I read a story acting like we or Israel are standing on moral high ground. We're not.
If we're going to involve ourselves in another war, it shouldn't be for fake and relativistic "moral" reasons. It should be a cold, calculated economic/imperialistic decision that clearly benefits our interests (i.e., unlike Korea (communism), Vietnam (communism), Iraq I (Kuwaiti "sovereignty" and Hussein atrocities), Iraq II (Hussein WMD's and atrocities) and Afghanistan (Taliban is evil and Bin Laden was harbored). Waste.
Look, if someone were to say "We need oil. Let's go take it from the Iranians and distribute it to the US government for the good of Americans." I might be able to get on board with that if the cost/benefit were right.
But, in this instance...both sides clearly commit deplorable acts (as do most nations, including ourselves). It's not our business. We should stay out of it. And, no matter what we do, we absolutely avoid becoming unnecessarily entangled in yet another debacle in the Middle East. Seriously, we're like the rat that keeps touching the electrode when it comes to our policies over there.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, One-Eyed.
Leaving Israel aside for a moment, Saudi Arabia is on the record saying that they would develop their own nuclear weapons if Iran were to get their own. Given that the Middle East is where 56% of the world's proven oil reserves are located, and that is the most volatile region in the world (mutually assured destruction doesn't work, after all, if one side thinks destroying Israel will bring a 1200 year old cleric out of a well and herald a golden age of Islam), do you really think it would take all that long for a regional nuclear war to occur? Further, do you really think that having 56% of the world's oil production knocked out suddenly wouldn't have an economic effect on the entire world, never mind just the United States?
Look, I'd love to shut ourselves off from the world, but ultimately, we can't afford to do that. The economies of the world are becoming more and more interdependent, and they all run on oil. If the flow of oil were to be disrupted, as it would in a regional nuclear war, everyone's way of life would be destroyed.
I'm not saying we should go to war, (frankly, I think we should try to covertly affect a more successful repeat of the 2009 Green Revolution), but this is one of those cases where we have to take a side. And if that side is with Israel and Saudi Arabia, then so be it.
The Holocaust is something that the World should never forget. The "Death " to Israel threat will be very short live if action is ever taken against Israel. They may destroy a portion of Israel, but the book of Revelations tells the final story.
All over the world we see radical Muslims doing some of the most horrible
things imaginable to Christians and Jews.
This first example is from Ethiopia....
This next example comes from Kenya....
A gang of Muslims stabbed and beat with iron rods a 25-year-old Somali
refugee, breaking his teeth; he was then stripped naked, covered with dirt, and
left unconscious near a church. Although he was raised Christian since age 7, he
was attacked on the “assumption that as a Somali he was born into Islam and was
therefore an apostate deserving of death.”
Wherever you find radical Islam, you will find violence.
For example, back in 2010 a Christian man in Pakistan's Punjab province was
burned alive by radical Islamic leaders for refusing to convert to Islam, while his wife was raped by
police officers.
Another very shocking incident took place down in Egypt. In broad daylight
and in full view of witnesses, a group of 4 Islamic radicals in the southern
Egyptian city of Attaleen fired 31 bullets into the head of a Coptic
Christian before beheading him. The dead body was then dragged through the
streets accompanied by shouts of victory. Later, an Egyptian court acquitted the four Muslim men accused of committing the crime. Sadly, hundreds more very shocking examples could be included in this
article.
Blah blah blah. I'm so sick of hearing this ignorant, ethnocentric, religulous garbage.
The genocide of the Jews, while horrible, is not unique--even in the 20th century. 20th century genocides claiming more than 1,000,000 lives occurred in the Soviet Union, China (twice), Belgian Congo, Cambodia, North Korea, Ethiopia and the former state of Biafra. Literally, just name any Sub-Saharan African country and you'll likely name a country where a genocide claiming more than 100,000 has recently occurred or is currently occurring.
I mean, you do realize that the Israeli's you're whining about currently house the Palestinians in walled, guarded German-style ghettoes. What say you to that fact? No hypocrisy in that?
Moreover, query whether the current decade long American campaign in the Middle East and Central Asia targeted at Muslims will be described as a genocide in history. Retribution for 911 and a random war in Iraq for no reason. We've certainly killed plenty...conservatively in the hundreds of thousands...more likely in the 1,000,000s. How would you describe these actions by a "Christian nation"?
If we go beyond the 20th century, the Genocide of the Jews is a blip on the radar. The entirety of the modern Western Hemisphere is the product of one of the worst genocides in history...that of the Mayans, the Incans, the Aztecs, the other indiginous tribes of South and Central America and the "Indians" of North America by European Christians. No? Not a relevant fact in your word salad?
So, suffice it to say...No. I do not accept your ridiculous diatribe about "radical Islam".
Since when you people (Jews) have become Christians?! Who are you people trying to fool? What happened to your Torah and Moses? Don't try to tell me Jesus was a Jew! As I've heard that lie along with your other lies before! Mary and Joseph were Armenians and Jesus spoke Aramaic. But certainly Judas was a Jew!
Why yes, One Eye, genocide is unfortunately being committed in too many places nowadays...often in Africa by extremist Muslims. And Max, I can only tell you that Jesus certainly WAS a Jew, and the only time he ever got violent was when the Jewish Temple was defiled. In case Mary had any doubt, the Angel said to her that "Unto you a child is given in the City of Jerusalem, which is David's." And the Bible gives Joseph's complete Jewish descent. So go read your Bible before you spout off about it.
I'm kinda interested how Maximiliuss got the idea that Mary and Joseph were Armenian.
Cassandra.
What does your point directed at me prove? "Often" does nothing to rebut my point that focusing on specific genocides perpetrated by Muslims is ethnocentric and religulous propaganda. "Often" actually supports my point because it implicitly admits that there are many other genocides not perpetrated by Muslims. Again, the entire Western Hemisphere is the best modern evidence of this...done by Christians.
Moreover, I failed to bring this up in my original post. Speaking of the genocide of the Jews in Germany (which you folks like to brand as the "Holocaust" in an attempt to imply additional significance). Yes, speaking of your "Holocaust"...what religious group do you think the Germans belong to? Are they Muslim? Or (gasp) are they Protestant Christians? Is Germany not the birth place of your Protestant form of Christianity?
At the present time, One Eyed, I keep reading about African genocide committed by extremist Muslims. If, as some say, the Israelis are committing genocide against the Palestinians, they are doing a terrible job of it...due partly to the fine free maternity care that is given to Jews and Arabs alike at Hadassah Hospital, whiich is supported by the American Women's Zionist Organization. And you may be interested in know that the word "Holocaust" was invented by Richard the Lion-Hearted, to descrbe a murderous pogrom against the Jews who had mistakenly brought gifts to his coronation. He was agin' it.
Cassandra. Perhaps the etymology of "holocaust" has its genesis in a historical pogrom. Today, however, it very clearly refers to a very specific genocide committed by the Germans against the Jews in the mid 20th century. If genocide is the generic product, "Holocaust" is the kosher brand...and it's been marketed particularly well to Americans.
Look, the genocide of the Jews in Germany was absolutely horrific. No argument there. Every male of age in my family back then proudly went over to fight the Germans. I still have my great uncle's coffin flag. The genocide happened, and I believe almost everything my Western textbooks, documentaries and movies have taught me about it. We agree on that. I'm no (gasp) "holocaust denier"...whatever that means.
My general beef as a red blooded American looking out for American interests is that (i) this "holocaust" is used to justify America's masochistic pro-Israel policies which cause all manner of diplomatic problems for us in the Middle East and increase our cost of oil (which hurts our economy and middle class Americans) and (ii) Israel does not have clean hands because they're housing a bunch of Palestinians in German-style ghettoes watched by armed guards.
In the current instance...my beef is that our media seems to be using this implicit pro-Israel sentiment to try to rile up a bunch of armchair generals for yet another pointless Middle Eastern involvement detrimental to our American interests...
So, I'm not sure what you're arguing about. What's your point? Is your point that there's an American-funded hospital that takes care of both Jews and the ghetto-housed Palestinians...so that makes everything Israel is doing okay?
"Ghetto-housed Palestinians" - is someone still stupid enough to push this nonsense?
In Israel, Palestinians have all the same rights as Jews, including the right to be elected into the government.
Or is it another attempt to dress up Gaza as a ghetto?
I thought by now even the biggest idiots know that Gaza has shopping malls, five-star-hotels and an open border with Egypt. Some ghetto.
But then again, human stupidity still has no limits, especially when it's strengthened by bigotry.
Eli.
You disagree with my characterization? So, you feel that forcible confinement of a minority group behind a wall guarded by soldiers in a generally poor area with the Sahara desert and an unstable country at their back is something other than a "ghetto". Note, ghetto is originally an Italian word describing a very similar arrangement the Italians made for their Jews. But okay...I'll play along. I guess it's not a "ghetto", Eli. Give me a word for it then. "Concentration camp"? "Reservation"? "Internment facility"?
Regardless, no matter how you choose to characterize it semantically, do you feel this ancillary point rebuts any other part of my argument? Or, do you just have ad hominem attacks and conclusions to offer?
The point is that we shouldn't involve ourselves in Israeli or Middle Eastern problems unless it somehow benefits the people of the United States. Do you have a proposition as to why, in a time when we're a declining empire in need of cheap oil to fuel our ailing economy, we should side with the arch nemesis (Israel) of most of our oil suppliers (Islamic Middle Eastern countries) and start a war with one of said oil suppliers (Iran)? Is it because "Iran is a holocaust-denier"? Is it because "Iran is threatening the holy land"? Is it because "Iran might get a nuke"? Is it because "We should continue to use Israel to create artificial turmoil in the Middle East so the oil producing Arabic countries do not coalesce and start wielding Ottoman-like power with their oil?"
Just give me a logical reason as to why we should attack. Maybe I'll agree. But note, "holocaust-denial", "anti-semitism" and "saber rattling" are not sufficient reasons in and of themselves to justify US intervention in your problem.
One-Eyed Undertaker,
If it's OK with you, I'll try to "give you a word for it".
It's called a protective barrier on a hostile border designed to prevent radical Islamic terriorists from entering a soverign nation and committing acts of terriorism against its civilian population!
Its is not there to create a "reservation" or an "internment facility" or a "concentration camp".
Your comparison of the situation in the Middle East today to what happened in Europe as a result of the actions of Nazi Germany is comparing apples to oranges and is totally without any merit.
Is he hopping on a plane after the speech to go "denounce Israel to its face" over its targeted assassinations of Iranians, overt military threats against Iran and human rights violations against the Palestinians (and possible murder of Assad)? No? Wait, he's just chastising one side? Oh, well then he's just a Western/Israeli mouthpiece...no surprises.
I'm agnostic with respect to the dispute between Israel and Iran...and most other disputes between foreign countries on opposite sides of the world for that matter. Their interests and ours are not aligned. I'm interested to see what happens, but not invested in the outcome. I'm not, however, agnostic about our extremely biased pro-Israel media coverage aimed at inciting the American public into supporting a strike against Iran. It's offensive.
Max, since you think that the media is so pro-Israel, will you please ask them to stop talking about "Palestinian insurgents" as opposed to "terrorists."
Cassandra, "insurgent" is at best a slightly negative term...more likely its a term that implies we don't approve and our interests are opposed. As you note implicitly...we have several words we use to describe essentially identical acts depending on our level of support for the perpetrator's cause. Namely:
Patriot. Used to describe perpetrator's of anti-government acts who we strongly support and identify with personally.
Freedom Fighter. Used to describe perpetrator's of anti-government acts who we strongly support and don't identify with personally.
Guerilla. Used to describe perpetrator's of anti-government acts who we somewhat support or are agnostic about.
Insurgent. Used to describe perpetrator's of anti-government acts who we don't support (and perhaps oppose). Used often to describe a large group of natives fighting on their own land for causes we don't support.
Terrorist. Used to describe perpetrator's of anti-government acts who we strongly oppose. Used often to describe smaller groups who perpetrate acts on foreign land.
These terms are, of course, used loosely and are accordingly defined loosely. But note, we described the Iraqi's fighting against our troops during the occupation as "insurgents". We also describe the Taliban fighters in Afghanistan as "insurgents". Using the same word to describe Palestinians carries with it certain implications...namely the bias I was noting.
Actually, Lenin put it best this time: "The purpose of terrorism is to terrorize," not to win a victory.
Yes, I believe I've seen you spout this quote before in different contexts...always unclear what you're getting at...even more unclear in the current instance how you citing this is relevant. Just as a reminder, we were talking about "insurgents" and the different implications of otherwise synonymous words our media uses to describe various groups.
I see your quote includes the word "terrorist", which itself is slightly off point since we were talking about the use of the word "insurgents". Are you simply noting that you know a quote regarding terrorism? Are you holding Lenin forth as someone to emulate? Are you noting that terrorism is an inherantly nihilistic act? If so, in so doing, are you not also noting that "patriotism", "freedom fighting", "guerrilla warfare", "insurgency" and war for any purpose are also nihilistic acts--since they are synonyms?
For purposes of this conversation, your use of the quote actually highlights the point I was trying to make. If you think that your quote regarding "terrorism" implies something negative about terrorists and their cause...isn't that evidence that choosing to use that word (i.e., "terrorism"/"terrorist") to describe a group rather than another (e.g., "patriotism"/"patriots") is, in itself, an inherently conclusive act. That is, if you believe this thing about "terrorists", then you've very clearly made a judgment about a group and their cause when you choose label a group such a thing. Otherwise, you'd label them "patriots" or "freedom fighters"--words which carry with them different implications. In fact, Cassandra...this was my whole point.
That said, what does (as you note) labeling the Palestinians "insurgents" say about our media?
I am saying, Max, that Lenin came up with a halfway decent definition of "terrorism"...which I am not sure that he opposed. Anyway, the term originally meant a supporter of the Reign of Terror after the French Revolution, and that reign really was pretty terrible. "Insurgent" is a much more tactful, neutral and politically correct term.
Way to be, Ban Ki!
Sounds one sided he needs to go to Isreal next tell them to stop attacking Iran and killing people.
Then off to the US, EU tell them to stop sending arms to Syria and pull out of Afganistan stop selling arms to Pakistan.
Then tell Isreal to let the UN inspect their Nukes and tell them to stop making more Nukes.
US Congressman Joe Walsh published an oped in the Washington Times in which he called for the US and Israel to abandon the two-state solution. After running through the record of Palestinian duplicity, failed governance, terrorism and bad faith, he called for Israel to apply its sovereignty to Judea and Samaria. In his words, he said Israel should, "adopt the only solution that will bring true peace to the Middle East: a single Israeli state from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. Israel is the only country in the region dedicated to peace and the only power capable of stable, just and democratic government in the region."
The evidence that the two-state paradigm has failed is overwhelming. The Palestinians' decision to reject statehood at Camp David in 2000 and launch a terror war against Israel made clear that they had not abandoned their refusal from 1947 to accept partition of the land of Israel with the Jews.
So too, the Palestinians' election of Hamas in the 2006 elections, and their missile war against Israel from Gaza in the aftermath of Israel's complete withdrawal from Gaza in 2005 all made clear that they are not interested in a Palestinian state. Rather, their chief desire is Israel's annihilation. Consequentially, there is no chance whatsoever that the two state paradigm can work. Indeed, the fact that there is no Palestinian leader willing to recognize Israel's right to exist makes clear that if a Palestinian state is established in Judea and Samaria — in addition to the de facto Palestinian state in Gaza — that state will be in state of war with Israel. All territory under its control will be used to attack the rump Jewish state.
Given the abject failure of the two-state paradigm then, it is abundantly clear that for all the complications that may be associated with the application of Israeli sovereignty over Judea and Samaria, it is a better option for Israel than Israeli surrender of the areas.
Walsh's op-ed is not his first statement of support for Israeli annexation. Last September, he authored Congressional Resolution 394 supporting Israel's right to annex Judea and Samaria in the event that the Palestinians ask the UN to recognize a Palestinian state outside the framework of a peace treaty with Israel. 44 other Congressmen co-sponsored the resolution. And this makes sense.
The Palestinians' decision to turn the issue of Palestinian statehood over to the UN constituted a substantive breach of the treaties the PLO signed with Israel in which both sides agreed that their conflict would be solved through negotiations and not through unilateral actions. By ending negotiations with Israel and turning the issue of statehood over to the UN, the Palestinians cancelled their treaties with Israel. Consequently, Israel is no longer bound by those accords and is free to take its own unilateral actions, including applying its laws to Judea and Samaria as it did in Jerusalem and the Golan Heights in the past.
For his unstinting support for Israel, Walsh has been subject to an unbridled assault by leftist American Jews. Ron Kampeas from JTA for instance attacked Walsh accusing him of being no different from Israel's enemies who seek to destroy Israel by ending its ability to define itself as a Jewish state through what they refer to as the "one state solution."
Kampeas blasted Walsh for suggesting that Palestinians unwilling to live under Israeli rule could move to Jordan which, with its 75 percent Palestinian majority is effectively the Palestinian state. Kampeas quoted Robert Wright's excoriation of Walsh in the Atlantic. There Wright wrote, "Offhand, I don't recall a member of Congress in my lifetime saying anything so grotesquely at odds with American ideals about ethnic relations and for that matter basic human rights."
For its part, the Jewish run anti-Israel lobby J Street is mobilizing its supporters to bring about Walsh's defeat in the November elections by soliciting contributions to his Democratic challenger. J Street Executive Director Jeremy Ben-Ami wrote that "Walsh's prescription amounts to a call for an end to Israel as the democratic home of the Jewish people."
It is hard to know where to begin a discussion of this assault in which Jewish Americans attack one of Israel's strongest supporters simply because he has the temerity to recognize reality and call for the US to support an Israeli victory against our enemies who seek our destruction.
First, it is important to consider the claim that Walsh went against the grain of American ideals by suggesting, "Those Palestinians who wish to may leave their Fatah- and Hamas-created slums and move to the original Palestinian state: Jordan. The British Mandate for Palestine created Jordan as the country for the Palestinians. That is the only justification for its creation. Even now, 75 percent of its population is of Palestinian descent."
The fact of the matter is that the two-state paradigm rests on the assumption that the Palestinian state will be ethnically cleansed of Jews before it is established. Whereas Walsh somehow stands in opposition to American ideals for suggesting that the Palestinians may voluntarily immigrate to Jordan, Kampeas, Ben-Ami and their cohorts have no problem with the concept of a Jew-free Palestine and the forcible expulsion of up to 675,000 Jews from their homes in Judea, Samaria and eastern Jerusalem simply because they are Jewish.
Aside from their pernicious hypocrisy and moral blindness, what stands out in their assaults on Walsh is that they cannot tell the difference between Israel's enemies that seek its destruction through the so-called one-state solution, and Israel's friends, who want it to defeat its enemies and live with security and peace. For the likes of Kampeas and Ben-Ami, there is no difference between Walsh and Israel's worst enemies.
Part of this problem is their apparent unquestioning acceptance of the myth of a demographic time bomb. They seem not to have noticed that the Palestinian claim that by 2015 there will be an Arab majority west of the Jordan River is a complete fabrication.
The truth is that if Israel applied its laws to Judea and Samaria tomorrow and all the Palestinians in those areas received Israeli citizenship, Israel would still retain a two thirds Jewish majority. Moreover, all the demographic trends for Israel including increased birthrates and positive immigration rates are positive. And all the demographic trends for the Palestinians including decreasing birthrates and negative immigration rates are negative. According to Israeli demographic researcher Yoram Ettinger, by 2030, Jewish will likely comprise 80 percent of the population of Israel, Judea and Samaria.
So Ben-Ami's argument that Israeli sovereignty over Judea and Samaria means the end of Israeli democracy is simply incorrect.
But aside from their hypocrisy and refusal to accept simple arithmetic realities, what stands out most clearly in their assault on Walsh is how they have become addicted to the fable of the two-state solution. Their addiction to this fable — that argues that after a century of Palestinian devotion to the annihilation of Israel, they are suddenly willing to meet Israel halfway — is what propels them attack anyone who points out reality. It is what drives them to brand as a foe anyone with the temerity to suggest a better way forward.
The beauty of the two-state fable is that it puts the onus to make peace on Israel's shoulders. If it is true that the Palestinians want to make peace, then Israel must make peace. And if all the Palestinians require to make peace is for Israel to quit Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem, then that is what Israel must do, together with the 675,000 Jews who live there.
The real tragedy is of course not that the likes of Kampeas and Ben-Ami maintain faith with the fairytale of Palestinian willingness to live at peace with Israel. The real tragedy is that this myth has been the official policy of the Government of Israel for the past 19 years. Since then prime minister Yitzhak Rabin launched the peace process with Yasser Arafat in September 1993, to greater or lesser degrees, every Israeli government has kept faith with the two state solution lie.
It hasn't matter that the Palestinians rejected statehood and peace not once but twice. It hasn't mattered that the Palestinians received Gaza lock, stock and barrel with no strings attached and used the territory to launch an illegal missile war against Israeli civilians. The fact that both Arafat and his supposedly moderate successor Mahmoud Abbas rejected partition and maintained their devotion to Israel's destruction did not stop Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu from bowing to US pressure and embracing this fool's game.
People like Kampeas are the first to bemoan Israel's sorry state in the realm of public diplomacy. They decry Israel's hasbara efforts as pathetic and failed. But what they fail to acknowledge is that it is the two-state trap that makes the construction and execution of an effective public diplomacy strategy impossible. To maintain faith with this failed policy, Israel's leaders and representatives are not merely required to ignore the history of the past ninety years of Palestinian rejection and aggression. They are required to ignore current events. They are forced to ignore not just what happened in 1947, but what happened at 7 o'clock in the morning.
And this brings us back to Cong. Walsh. There may be things to criticize about Walsh's policy argument. For instance, he calls for the conferral of "limited voting power" on the Palestinians under Israeli sovereignty. In truth, there is no reason for them to receive anything but full voting rights.
But you have to be blind to reality to view him as anything other than a friend of Israel.
Happily, not everyone in Israel remains paralyzed. Members of Knesset have launched repeated attempts in recent months to debate legislation calling for Israel to apply its sovereignty over all or parts of Judea and Samaria. Next Wednesday, MK Miri Regev is holding a conference to launch a new Knesset caucus calling for the adoption of this policy.
In recent years, poll after poll has shown that the majority of Israelis do not believe that the two state paradigm will bring peace or that if a Palestinian state is formed, it will live at peace with Israel.
But RB, I still have hope...of a two state solution where the Arabs and Israelis will get together to entertain the tourists with costumed re-enactments of the battles they used to have in the old days, the way our American re-enactors stage battles of the Civil War.
The country who kidnapped our entire embassy staff and held them hostage for months is complaining about being the victims of terrorism? How ironic.
I don't agree that Israel should engage in a preemptive strike against Iran. To do so would make Israel the aggressor and give legitimacy to Muslim claims against it. There are more effective ways to deal with the situation, including the use of debilitating sanctions and the use of Special Forces.There's also the chance that such a preemptive strike could unite the Muslim world against Israel as never before. Israel is not capable of defending itself against a coordinated attack by the Muslims nations of Africa and the Middle East. One must also consider that it's quite possible that Turkey and Pakistan would also enter the hostilities. It would bring the U.S. into another war but in this case we also would be classified as an aggressor, which would simply increase the hatred against us. The first thing we would suffer when we came to aid of Israel, and that is a given, would be the cutoff of oil from the Muslim nations in Africa and the Middle East and the slow but eventual destruction of our economy.
I don't believe that the members of the Iranian government are so ignorant that they would consider using a nuclear weapon against Israel on a first strike basis. It would make Iran the first nation to use nuclear weapons since the attacks against Hiroshima and Nagasaki and it would be seen as having occurred with no legal or military authority. It would incite a worldwide condemnation of Iran, increase the support of Israel's right to exist within secure borders and in all probability prevent other Muslim nations from coming to the aid of Iran, for to do so would give legitimacy to attacks against these other Muslim nations by Israel and its allies. A nuclear attack against Israel by Iran would have devastating and horrible consequences for the citizens of Israel, yet it would not destroy Israel. The legitimate military response by Israel and its allies, and it would be a massive response, would effectively turn Iran into a barren desert with no hope of normalcy for Iran's remaining population for decades, if not centuries to come.
I believe the wars against Iraq and Afghanistan were both unwarranted and unjustified. Although our coming to the aid of our ally Israel in the event of an attack by Iran would be justified it's not something one should take lightly. We have already stuck our nose in too many places in Africa and the Middle East when we had no justification for doing so and we have created many of these problems ourselves. Israel is more than willing to live in peace within secure borders with its neighbors, the problem being that its neighbors do not desire it. I will always be a staunch defender of Israel. The Jews have been persecuted for thousands of years for no legitimate reasons and they have suffered enough. In agreement with Israel I say "never again".
The Palestinian Arabs had their chance to have their own country within Palestine but refused the opportunity when it was given, instead calling for the destruction of Israel. They knowingly and willingly chose to exclude themselves from the area during the partitioning process and it's nobody's fault but their own. The Palestinian Arabs are, for the most part, Jordanians, and were part of Greater Jordan before Great Britain partitioned the area. They could very easily have created their country within what is now Jordan but for some reason they think they have the right to the land the Arabs stole from Israel two thousand years ago. The majority of violence in the Palestine is caused by the unwarranted, unjustified agression and hostilities of the Muslims against innocent Israelis. That's a fact that cannot be denied. One has only to open his/her eyes to realize this.
Israel, since 1948, has been forced to fight three wars against the Arabs, wars they did not want to engage in, and yet Israel still survives, and rightfully so, on land that is rightfully theirs, which in my opinion includes the entirety of Jerusalem. Israel has opened up East Jerusalem to the members of all faiths yet while under the control of the Arabs Jews were excluded from it. It's no secret that if the Arabs were to once again control East Jerusalem the Jews would again be excluded from passage within it. I imagine the Christians would also be excluded. Is this right? Is this fair? No, it is not.
Israel will lose the support of most nations now supporting Israel if they engage in a first strike against Iran and will in effect give legitimacy to all Muslim nations coming to the aid of Iran. It would not be a local conflict and there's a very good chance that in addition to the Muslim nations of Africa and the Middle East certain nations in Europe and Asia would also get involved. It is a very serious matter to consider. World War l and World War ll were fought over issues that were not religious in nature. There is no war more horrible than a religious war. Is that what we want to start? Muslims against the Jews and the Christians? Christians and Jews against the Muslims? Another thing to keep in mind is that the majority of Iranian citizens do not support many actions of the Iranian government, just as one cannot confuse the ideals of the majority of Chinese citizens with the ideals of their government. It is not the fault of the majority of Iranian citizens that they are unable to overcome the brutal suppression by their government yet their inability to prevail does not give us the legal or moral right to do it for them.
May Israel continue to have the most formidable military force in the Middle East and may Jerusalem always remain the undivided capital for as long as civilization exists.
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
"What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction
is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?"
Mohandas Gandhi
Ha what a joke...Let's all just take in the propaganda and allow yourselves to be fed lies....how about reading the REAL news from Independant sources that aren't paid by people who have a vested interest in killing innocents so they can make a few bucks. REMEMBER the LIES regarding IRAQ..."mushroom clouds".....and then followed a million deaths!
Lemme guess: one of those "Independant sources" is Iranian state television.
If Iran gets the Bomb, then, yeah, there will be mushroom clouds and a million (or more) deaths.
His "independent sources" probably include Al Jazeera as well! Another paragon of a well balanced and non biased news source.
RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL
TEHRAN 14 Dec 2001. (IPS) One of Iran’s most influential ruling cleric called Friday on the Muslim states to use nuclear weapon against Israel, assuring them that while such an attack would annihilate Israel, it would cost them "damages only".
"If a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms Israel has in possession, the strategy of colonialism would face a stalemate because application of an atomic bomb would not leave any thing in Israel but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world", Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani told the crowd at the traditional Friday prayers in Tehran.
Analysts said not only Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani’s speech was the strongest against Israel, but also this is the first time that a prominent leader of the Islamic Republic openly suggests the use of nuclear weapon against the Jewish State.
"It seems that Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani is forgetting that due to the present intertwinement of Israel and Palestine, the destruction of the Jewish State would also means the mass killing of Palestinian population as well", observed one Iranian commentator.
While Israel is believed to possess between 100 to 200 nuclear war heads, the Islamic Republic and Iraq are known to be working hard to produce their own atomic weapons with help from Russia and North Korea, Pakistan, also a Muslim state, has already a certain number of nuclear bomb.
In a lengthy speech to mark the so-called "International Qods (Jerusalem) Day" celebrated in Iran only, Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani, who, as the Chairman of the Assembly to Discern the Interests of the State, is the Islamic Republic’s number two man after Ayatollah Ali Khameneh’i, said since Israel was an emanation of Western colonialism therefore "in future it will be the interests of colonialism that will determine existence or non-existence of Israel".
Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani made the unprecedented threat as, following new suicide operations inside Israel and against Israeli settlements by Palestinian extremists in PA-controlled zones, responded by Israel’s heaviest bombarding of Palestinian cities, police, communication and radio-television installations, killing and wounding more than 200 people on both sides, resulted in the halting of all contacts between Israel and the PA of Mr. Yaser Arafat.
He said since Israel is the product of Western colonialism, "the continued existence of Israel depends on interests of arrogance and colonialism and as long as the base is helpful for colonialism, it is going to keep it.
Hashemi-Rafsanjani advised Western states not to pin their hopes on Israel's violence because it will be "very dangerous".
"We are not willing to see security in the world is harmed", he said, warning against the "eruption of the Third World War.
"War of the pious and martyrdom seeking forces against peaks of colonialism will be highly dangerous and might fan flames of the World War III", the former Iranian president said, backing firmly suicide operations against Israel.
Quoted by the official news agency IRNA, Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani said weakening of Palestinian Jihad is "unlikely", as the Palestinians have come to the conclusion that talks would be effective only "in light of struggle and self-sacrifice- the two key elements that gave way to beginning of the second Intifada".
Iranian analysts and commentators outside Iran immediately reacted to Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani’s statement, expressing fear that it might trigger an international backlash against Iran itself, giving Israel, the United States and other Western and even Arab nations to further isolate Iran as a source of threat to regional security.
"Jews shall expect to be once again scattered and wandering around the globe the day when this appendix is extracted from the region and the Muslim world", Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani warned, blaming on the United States and Britain the "creation of the fabricated entity" in the heart of Arab and Muslim world.
"The man who considers himself as the most able politician in the Islamic Republic utters such nonsense and empty threats at a very time that the hard line and extremist government of Israel under Mr. Ariel Sharon is looking for justification of its repressive policy against Palestinians", said Mr. Ahmad Salamatian, a veteran political analyst based in Paris.
"At a time that the right wing Israeli government is claiming that the very existence of Israel and the Jews are threatened and uses this pretext as an instrument to advance its policy of repression in Palestine, such statements and ushering such dangerous menaces by one of Iran’s top officials is nothing but bringing water to Israel’s propaganda mill, providing it with more justifications explaining its present maximalist policy", he told the Persian service of Radio France Internationale.
Though Mr. Salamatian is of the opinion that Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani’s words are part of both his own show and the ongoing internal tensions between conservatives and reformers, however, he also agrees with other Iranian analysts that his "untimely" menace could backfire, becoming a justification for threats against Iran, at a time that the United States and its allies are determined to continue the fight against international terrorism.
"One of Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani’s main characteristics in Iranian politics during the past twenty years is that in order to preserve his own position, he is ready to set fire to all the Caesareas for one handkerchief, including, in the present case, providing Israel with enough pretext to attack Iran", he noted, adding: "for the time being and what is important for Mr. Sharon is that this kind of statements are open invitation for more violence, an encouragement to extremists on either side of the Israel-Palestine conflict".
Observing that despite the fact that Israel is believed to have more than one hundred atomic warheads and the necessary technology to transport them to the very heart of Iran and elsewhere, but no Israeli official nor any newspaper have ever raised the slightest possibility of an atomic threat, "even in defence of their very existence", Mr. Salamatian wondered the reasons behind Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani’s declaration, which he said should be taken seriously "considering the rank of the man who pronounced it". ENDS RAFSANJANI NUKE THREATS 141201
What is the link you used for your post, Bruce? It appears that this guy may be just a big mouthed cleric, not the leader of Iran.
Just because Israel isn't dumb enough to spout nonsense, does not mean Israel would not hasten to use their bombs if they deem it necessary. Why else would Israel want or need to have 150 nuclear warheads?
Read this: Martin van Creveld, Israel's preeminent military historian, in 2010 said that “Israel
could find itself one day forced to exterminate the European continent using all
kinds of weapons including its nuclear arsenal if it felt its demise neared,”
and stressed that “Israel also considers Europe a hostile target.”
“We have hundreds of nuclear warheads and
missiles that can reach different targets in the heart of the European
continent, including beyond the borders of Rome, the Italian capital,” Creveld
said, adding that most of the European capitals would become preferred targets
for the Israeli air force.
He reiterated “Israel’s ability to destroy the
whole world whenever it felt its existence would be doomed to extinction.”
It sounds to me like Israel has figured out why it needs all those nukes. The Israeli leadership is composed of Zionists, who are crazy, power hungry, war mongers, with no regard for anyone or anything that is not Jewish. Israel has committed many atrocities, but apparently are saving the biggest one for the end.
RalphH, did you seriously just cite something from David Duke's website? Do you have any idea of who he is?
Armando, I did not get my information from David Duke. Perhaps we got it from the same source as me. I don't know.
The point is Martin Creveld is who I said he is, a preeminent Israeli military historian. I copied his words in quotes and posted them. If you can prove I am wrong, feel free.
If you do not believe the Jews control the FED and the media, you must have your head in the sand or somewhere else. The last time I looked, 11 out of 12 members of the FED were Jews. I do believe Greenspan and Bernanke are Jewish, are they not. Almost every major media outlet in the US is Jewish owned. He who controls the flow of information, controls the country. I guess Duke is right on those points.
Zionist
warmongers like Ken Adelman and the Zionist Washington Post pushed the war in
an editorial titled, “Cakewalk in Iraq.” Jewish supremacists Richard Perle and
Paul Wolfowitz told you that Iraq would “Welcome us as liberators.” Iraq became
the longest war in American history. Here is a report from USA Today: “Pentagon
officials estimated for the first time Wednesday that up to 360,000 Iraq and
Afghanistan veterans may have suffered traumatic brain injuries.” Now that’s
not counting tens of thousands who have suffered maiming, amputations, or death
in this war based on lies.
Look at how the Zionists sold the Iraq war and look at some of the results. Care to dispute Arando?
Seriously, RalphH, don't try weaseling your way out of what you did. Reread what I wrote. I didn't say you got your information from David Duke. I said that you got your information from David Duke's website, which you undeniably did since you linked to it in your post (linking to a hate site like that might be a CoH violation, btw).
Surely there were other, more reputable websites you could have linked to that had the van Creveld quotes you were looking for. For some reason though, you decided to link to the personal website of the former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan (a noted Holocaust denier, btw). You realize what this makes you look like, right? For crying out loud, why don't you post a couple excerpts from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion while you're at it?
Just admit it: it isn't so much that you sympathize with the Palestinians, as much as you resent Jews. In fact, one could make the argument (since you seem to use the words "Jews" and "Zionists" interchangeably) that you hate Jews. You just showed your hand and revealed what you truly believe, and your "well, David Duke does make a few good points" reply was just confirmation.
An off-topic question, RalphH, but bear with me: what are your thoughts on homosexuality?
Show where I linked to David Dukes web site. You are lying. No where on my post is Dukes web site. How about responding to Creveld's statements, instead of changing the subject.
The truth is that Israel is the rabid, mad dog of the ME.
“We have hundreds of nuclear warheads and
missiles that can reach different targets in the heart of the European
continent, including beyond the borders of Rome, the Italian capital,” Creveld
said, adding that most of the European capitals would become preferred targets
for the Israeli air force.
ROLFMAO! Dude, you're making this way too easy for me! I'm not going engage whatever argument you have because you totally discredited it when you linked to David Duke's website in the first line of the third paragraph of post 11.1 in the phrase "in 2010 said that".
Why should I waste my time engaging in an argument with someone over Israel/Palestine who:
a) apparently had no idea who David Duke is, despite linking to his website
b) when told who David Duke was (the preeminent racist in the Western World) and what he stood for, made common cause with him, despite being anathema to (sane) pro-Palestinian westerners (and more than a few Muslims)
Seriously, in this thread, you've done a simply fantastic job of making yourself look, not like some champion of the oppressed, but like a garden-variety Jew hater.
If I never hit the portion where it said the phrase "in 2010 said that", then I was not intentionally linking to Dukes web site. Your point is meaningless and you still haven't responded to Creveld's comments, which show the Israeli leadership is composed of war mongering zealots, every bit as twisted as the most extreme Muslim.
Why would I love the people who are bribing our politicians in order to suck money from the American taxpayer, in order to provide Israeli Jews a better life? This year alone, they will have garnered 13 billion dollars from America, because of the 9 billion dollars in guaranteed loans, recently approved, 1 billion for the "iron dome" project and the annual 3 billion dollar stipend. Israel has never paid back a loan from the US. Look up HR4133 and S2165. 13 billion equates to over $2000.00 for each man, woman and child in Israel.
On top of that, the Zionists led the US into the 3.5 trillion dollar war with Iraq, assasinated JFK, attacked the Liberty and were complicit in 9/11. You could say I have had enough of our relationship with Israel, which is why I conduct lots of research into what they have done.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A3dW_gUwOg --- Bldg 7 falling into its own footprint, despite never beiing hit.
Molten Heat -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YaFGSPErKU&feature=related
British Newman -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgABDdU7yD8&feature=related
What does that even mean?
In the years I've been on Newsvine, I've provided hundreds of links (including a couple in this thread). It's a very, very deliberate process that involves copying a web address, highlighting words in your post, clicking on the link button in the dialogue box, and pasting the web address into the correct entry field in the window that pops up. There is no way that your linking to David Duke's website was unintentional. You probably had the tab open to his website the whole time!
No, my point is meaningful, because it shows exactly how you arrived at your beliefs: racism. Face it: you hate an entire group of people, and you willingly associate with people who deny their genocide in the 1940s. You do the Palestinians no favors by continuing to peddle this irrational, fever-swamp codswallop.
Sanctions (and bribes) against North Korea did not work. They will not work against Iran either.
Some of the commenters here must be mindless to compare our western ally Israel with the liars in Iran. Lies are accepted in Islam as necessary to deal with a stronger power. Iran is islamic, and they are bent on the destruction of Israel, as promoted in the Koran. They are lying to buy time, then they will serve a fate complete, and the world will be much worse off. There is still time to act, but not much time...
Jack- Show us where Iran has lied. Can you prove they are making nuclear weapons? If you can, please let our intelligence agencies in on the scoop, because they all say Iran has not even decided whether to produce a nuclear weapon yet. Also get this, the Israeli intelligence agencies agree with the US intelligence agencies.
Please tell us what makes you an expert on Iranian thinking. Do you read a lot of Israeli propaganda? If so, that must be it.
So where does your allegiance live. I think we all know
GOD WILL NOT HELP THEM THE WICKED JUDGMENT DAY We need Leaders that put GOD then Family then Country in that order for with out GOD and Family NONE will have A Country.
Mislead Middle Easterners have threatened to kill and take measures against Christians sounds like bullying bad boys. That their Mother and Father never showed them right from wrong. All the good on Earth want peace Not War. If you cannot have your way you are going to hurt someone this sounds like a mad men to most of the world.
If someone really cares for them, give them a Bible with red letter print. That is a red letter edition words that were spoken by are Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. With a Pray for them the LOST maybe they will be saved, and not go to hell.
Remember for over a Thousand years you have taken you life at risk from the
wicked for carrying a Bible. They have burned the Bible in public many times they have cut off the head of anyone carrying one many a times. They have bombed many a Christian Church, Killing many.
The Persecution of Christians in the Middle East has gone on for over two thousand years.
The Leaders of many Christian groups have criticizes Muslim leaders and Leaders of governments for failing to intervene after series of deadly attacks on Christians and their Churches in many countries around the World, each Christmas.
Killing at least 35 Christians Christmas day Church, Nigerian 2011. Killing over 20 Christians New Year's Eve mass Egypt 2011. 50 killed Christians at a Catholic Cathedral
Baghdad 2010. Over 200 injured Christians Imbaba region by Cairo 2011. The list goes on
and on and has for many years now. Have you for got so easy many American's like Paul Marshall Johnson, Jr. that was kidnapped and then beheaded in Saudi Arabia in 2004. While thousands gathered and prayed for the wicked to let him go, Till all heard the sound coming from THE PATRIOTIC TRUMPET PLAYER, Monica D. Key Lindbergh playing taps.
How many Muslim Churches have been attacked or bombed while they are in there
church by Christians? Answer 0
The World wants Peace not more wars.
Many wicked Leaders have deliberately deceived many that are LOST.
If you think the wicked want peace read this then go look at some of their web sites!
There is a video on official Hamas TV that calls for Allah to all kill Jews, Christians,
Communists and any of their supporters they can find. This video asks Allah to "count
them and kill them to the last one, and don't leave even one."
Hamas TV. You will have Air mail incoming very soon. It is Very Sad you do not want
peace and ask for WAR.
If you think or believed that Israel-Iran relations will improve or Iran with The
Persecution of Christians World Wide.
Just read this
1997
Iranian President Mohammad Khatami,
called Israel an
"illegal state and a "parasite,"
The Iranian Chief of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps,
"The IRGC"
Mohammad Ali Jafari
said "Israel was within the reach of Iranian missiles".
IRGC is listed by the U.S. Government and our CIA as a terrorist organization.
With many ties to an assassination campaigns in the
1980s and early 1990s with paid mercenaries from many countries
that targeted many opponents, and rigged elections.
December 2000
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei he has called Israel many things even went as far as to say it is a
"cancerous tumor" that should be removed from the region.
"Act Of War" against Israel.
JULY 2008
Iran's foreign minister, Manouchehr Mottaki said "that Israel was
not capable of an attack".
JULY 2008
Ahmadinejad.....he said, "The Iranian nation never recognized Israel
and will never ever recognize it.
Iran's Supreme Leader Khamenei he stated, "It is incorrect, irrational,
pointless and nonsense to say that we are friends of Israeli people...
we are on a collision course with the occupiers of Palestine and the
occupiers are the Zionist regime. This is the position of our regime,
our revolution and our people."
February 7, 2010, Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said
"the destruction of Israel was assured" According to the daily newspaper Teheran Times.
Another "Act Of War" against Israel.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s chief of staff, Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei,
said "that if Israel attacked Iran it would be destroyed within a week"
Iranian Funding of the terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah
A mural in Tehran, Iran. The mural depicts the emblem of Lebanon's Hezbollah,
and quotes the founder of The Islamic Republic of Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini, saying:
"Israel must be destroyed."
Another "Act Of War" against them.
Iran has been for years supplying weapons and political support to Hamas an
organization that is committed to the destruction of Israel by Jihad According
to Mahmoud Abbas, President of the Palestinian National Authority, "Hamas is funded
By Iran.
It has claimed it has been financed by peace loving donations, but the donations
they get are nothing at all like what it receives from Iran for its
Wicked Deeds and acts. All the Big Bankers of the World can see this.
Another "Act Of War" against Israel.
Iran is also supplying another enemy of Israel, the well know terrorist organization
Hezbollah with more then what you would call just a substantial amount of financial
support and weapons, explosives and training of how to use them and political,
diplomatic, and organizational aid while persuading Hezbollah to take wicked actions
against Israel. Hezbollah's 1985 manifesto listed its four main goals as "Israel's
final departure from Lebanon as a prelude to its final obliteration" According to
reports released in February 2010, Hezbollah has received $400 million dollars from
Iran. That the World knows about.
Another Clear "Act Of War" against Israel.
October 11, 2011 the CIA AND THE FBI Of the United States Of America stopped a
terrorist plot by the Iranian Government Leaders that included (bombing the Israeli
"as well as Saudi"
Embassies in Washington, DC and Buenos Aires).
All Nations involved do claim this as
An "Act Of War" against them.
Can you carry a Bible in Iran without them trying to kill you.
Devil at war with GOD.
Israel Will Strike Iran, British Intelligence is now saying.
The 43rd President George W. Bush’s National Security Adviser and Chief Foreign Policy
Adviser Stephen Hadley is now Warning the world. That there clearly exists a very high
risk to say the least that Iran and the United States very soon will most likely end up
in a military conflict. As the deterioration of views and political relations between
Iran and many other countries as Iran Leader acts more like a little kid. Making all
the Middle East more unstable.
With growing reports out of Israel that an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities is likely,
former US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told Ron Kessler of Newsmax's in an one
on one interview that she has no doubts in her mind that Israel will take the necessary
actions to stop Iran's mullahs from making or getting Nuclear Weapons. Condoleezza Rice
has a book, Called "No Higher Honor" A Memoir of My Years in Washington," reveals her
insights into the war against Al-Qaida, what really happened in Iraq, and the real rising
threat of Iran.
From her work as the National Security Adviser with President George W. Bush in his first
term before succeeding Colin Powell to become Secretary of State in his second term.
May our Lord Jesus Christ and GOD the Father that is in Heaven,
Guide and Watch over us.
In this time of TRIBULATION, Strengthen your Faith, and encourage
all to pray for their souls. The strong in the word of our Lord will Now
Help the World and be the disciples of our Lord's Word.
United We Will Always Stand That
In GOD We Trust
True Patriots
The Lord's Little Helper
Paul Felix Schott
PS.
Further diligence is required stay on your guard and watch. The LORD’s Amy will come soon enough.
GOD Bless You and Your Love ones
Give thanks to our Lord Jesus Christ every day.
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The Governments and people of all Nations need to read.
John 14:6-7 Jesus said ..........
Luke 21:20-22
IRAN ... The World is going to Renewable Energy with all the SUNLIGHT we get SOLAR Energy would be very easy to do hear. Do you think the rest of the world will see what we are really doing building more Reactors then we could ever use in a country this size? But we need the electric power to Enrich Uranium to make Many Atomic Nuclear Weapons, to bring the world to a Hellish Place. Earthquakes are increasing every year and could cause us the bad mishap or a catastrophic failure 97 million Iranians could die. Just keep this out of the NEWS.
We only need to play Cat and Mouse a little Longer and on one will be able to stop us. What about GOD?
GOD WILL NOT HELP THEM THE WICKED JUDGMENT DAY We need Leaders that put GOD then Family then Country in that order for with out GOD and Family NONE will have A Country.
Mislead Middle Easterners have threatened to kill and take measures against Christians sounds like bullying bad boys. That their Mother and Father never showed them right from wrong. All the good on Earth want peace Not War. If you cannot have your way you are going to hurt someone this sounds like a mad men to most of the world.
If someone really cares for them, give them a Bible with red letter print. That is a red letter edition words that were spoken by are Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. With a Pray for them the LOST maybe they will be saved, and not go to hell.
Remember for over a Thousand years you have taken you life at risk from the
wicked for carrying a Bible. They have burned the Bible in public many times they have cut off the head of anyone carrying one many a times. They have bombed many a Christian Church, Killing many.
The Persecution of Christians in the Middle East has gone on for over two thousand years.
The Leaders of many Christian groups have criticizes Muslim leaders and Leaders of governments for failing to intervene after series of deadly attacks on Christians and their Churches in many countries around the World, each Christmas.
Killing at least 35 Christians Christmas day Church, Nigerian 2011. Killing over 20 Christians New Year's Eve mass Egypt 2011. 50 killed Christians at a Catholic Cathedral
Baghdad 2010. Over 200 injured Christians Imbaba region by Cairo 2011. The list goes on
and on and has for many years now. Have you for got so easy many American's like Paul Marshall Johnson, Jr. that was kidnapped and then beheaded in Saudi Arabia in 2004. While thousands gathered and prayed for the wicked to let him go, Till all heard the sound coming from THE PATRIOTIC TRUMPET PLAYER, Monica D. Key Lindbergh playing taps.
How many Muslim Churches have been attacked or bombed while they are in there
church by Christians? Answer 0
The World wants Peace not more wars.
Many wicked Leaders have deliberately deceived many that are LOST.
If you think the wicked want peace read this then go look at some of their web sites!
There is a video on official Hamas TV that calls for Allah to all kill Jews, Christians,
Communists and any of their supporters they can find. This video asks Allah to "count
them and kill them to the last one, and don't leave even one."
Hamas TV. You will have Air mail incoming very soon. It is Very Sad you do not want
peace and ask for WAR.
If you think or believed that Israel-Iran relations will improve or Iran with The
Persecution of Christians World Wide.
Just read this
1997
Iranian President Mohammad Khatami,
called Israel an
"illegal state and a "parasite,"
The Iranian Chief of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps,
"The IRGC"
Mohammad Ali Jafari
said "Israel was within the reach of Iranian missiles".
IRGC is listed by the U.S. Government and our CIA as a terrorist organization.
With many ties to an assassination campaigns in the
1980s and early 1990s with paid mercenaries from many countries
that targeted many opponents, and rigged elections.
December 2000
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei he has called Israel many things even went as far as to say it is a
"cancerous tumor" that should be removed from the region.
"Act Of War" against Israel.
JULY 2008
Iran's foreign minister, Manouchehr Mottaki said "that Israel was
not capable of an attack".
JULY 2008
Ahmadinejad.....he said, "The Iranian nation never recognized Israel
and will never ever recognize it.
Iran's Supreme Leader Khamenei he stated, "It is incorrect, irrational,
pointless and nonsense to say that we are friends of Israeli people...
we are on a collision course with the occupiers of Palestine and the
occupiers are the Zionist regime. This is the position of our regime,
our revolution and our people."
February 7, 2010, Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said
"the destruction of Israel was assured" According to the daily newspaper Teheran Times.
Another "Act Of War" against Israel.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s chief of staff, Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei,
said "that if Israel attacked Iran it would be destroyed within a week"
Iranian Funding of the terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah
A mural in Tehran, Iran. The mural depicts the emblem of Lebanon's Hezbollah,
and quotes the founder of The Islamic Republic of Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini, saying:
"Israel must be destroyed."
Another "Act Of War" against them.
Iran has been for years supplying weapons and political support to Hamas an
organization that is committed to the destruction of Israel by Jihad According
to Mahmoud Abbas, President of the Palestinian National Authority, "Hamas is funded
By Iran.
It has claimed it has been financed by peace loving donations, but the donations
they get are nothing at all like what it receives from Iran for its
Wicked Deeds and acts. All the Big Bankers of the World can see this.
Another "Act Of War" against Israel.
Iran is also supplying another enemy of Israel, the well know terrorist organization
Hezbollah with more then what you would call just a substantial amount of financial
support and weapons, explosives and training of how to use them and political,
diplomatic, and organizational aid while persuading Hezbollah to take wicked actions
against Israel. Hezbollah's 1985 manifesto listed its four main goals as "Israel's
final departure from Lebanon as a prelude to its final obliteration" According to
reports released in February 2010, Hezbollah has received $400 million dollars from
Iran. That the World knows about.
Another Clear "Act Of War" against Israel.
October 11, 2011 the CIA AND THE FBI Of the United States Of America stopped a
terrorist plot by the Iranian Government Leaders that included (bombing the Israeli
"as well as Saudi"
Embassies in Washington, DC and Buenos Aires).
All Nations involved do claim this as
An "Act Of War" against them.
Can you carry a Bible in Iran without them trying to kill you.
Devil at war with GOD.
Israel Will Strike Iran, British Intelligence is now saying.
The 43rd President George W. Bush’s National Security Adviser and Chief Foreign Policy
Adviser Stephen Hadley is now Warning the world. That there clearly exists a very high
risk to say the least that Iran and the United States very soon will most likely end up
in a military conflict. As the deterioration of views and political relations between
Iran and many other countries as Iran Leader acts more like a little kid. Making all
the Middle East more unstable.
With growing reports out of Israel that an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities is likely,
former US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told Ron Kessler of Newsmax's in an one
on one interview that she has no doubts in her mind that Israel will take the necessary
actions to stop Iran's mullahs from making or getting Nuclear Weapons. Condoleezza Rice
has a book, Called "No Higher Honor" A Memoir of My Years in Washington," reveals her
insights into the war against Al-Qaida, what really happened in Iraq, and the real rising
threat of Iran.
From her work as the National Security Adviser with President George W. Bush in his first
term before succeeding Colin Powell to become Secretary of State in his second term.
May our Lord Jesus Christ and GOD the Father that is in Heaven,
Guide and Watch over us.
In this time of TRIBULATION, Strengthen your Faith, and encourage
all to pray for their souls. The strong in the word of our Lord will Now
Help the World and be the disciples of our Lord's Word.
United We Will Always Stand That
In GOD We Trust
True Patriots
The Lord's Little Helper
Paul Felix Schott
PS.
Further diligence is required stay on your guard and watch. The LORD’s Amy will come soon enough.
GOD Bless You and Your Love ones
Give thanks to our Lord Jesus Christ every day.
READ
The Governments and people of all Nations need to read.
John 14:6-7 Jesus said ..........
Luke 21:20-22
IRAN ... The World is going to Renewable Energy with all the SUNLIGHT we get SOLAR Energy would be very easy to do hear. Do you think the rest of the world will see what we are really doing building more Reactors then we could ever use in a country this size? But we need the electric power to Enrich Uranium to make Many Atomic Nuclear Weapons, to bring the world to a Hellish Place. Earthquakes are increasing every year and could cause us the bad mishap or a catastrophic failure 97 million Iranians could die. Just keep this out of the NEWS.
We only need to play Cat and Mouse a little Longer and on one will be able to stop us. What about GOD?
Paul - Please seek help. You need it badly.
Ralph, neither Paul nor anyone else in the world needs any help from Jew-baiting bigots like you.
Cassandra, we've had a few disagreements on other posts but you are 100% on the nail on this one!
We stood by s. vietnam, s. korea and others why not Israel. There is always somebody with more power taking it from somebody they dislike. No honor, no glory just bloodlust. Israel has ever right to defend itself and i hope they do. Its like this, If iran was gone there would be no war. If Israel was gone there would still be a war. So think about all you smart people.
...and the Iranian UN representative simply took off his headphones so he could not hear the rebuke, since he only speaks Farsi and does not understand a word of English. Well, he understands a little English, like "how much for one night?' and 'another beer, please'.
It is anniversary of Germany invasion on Poland and Israeli has prepared a whole swarm of Messersmiths . It is not only Netherlands, Iran and Russian Federation but mainly France on the spotlight.
Mark Rutte survived but it was Balkenede executed yesternight. Tonight probably affected are, among others, socialists Martine Aubry, Susan Rice and Likud Sara Netanyahu or some +Occupy.com leader, Iranian nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani .
Remeber. It will be not Blitzkrieg and replacement are easy to recognize. The mules are not only damaged but have blue eyes, castrats have a wall in ears. And i have a check in my hands for you, Israeli.
With a lite tip to Chines NTP. Beware, it is Holocaust comming...
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Reading all these comments , make wish our politicians and you all love America like you do Israel , we would be in much better shape , you all think its OK for Israel to attack Iran , Syria , Lebanon or any country that they feel its a threat to them , and then we our fleets travel thousands of miles to protect us from who , we are in the region simply to protect Israel and the Oil reach terrorists countries like Saudis , Qatar , Bahrain and all these little Muslims extremists countries that want nothing but keep that region in turmoil so their own population forget about all the misery their governments make live in , its a shame we are doing that , Israel have the right to exists , but they do not have the right to threaten every country in that region , and they do , you can admitted or you can live in a lie , Syria now taking the bulk of these terrorists that the Saudis and Qataris bringing to Syria , and sadly to say , we are arming and training these Aqlaida thugs , politics is a nasty thing , but Ignorance is a sad sickness and we have allot that have it here . Ban ki ass Moon is nothing but a puppet in the hands of NATO and the US , he ignore the facts simply because he is getting rich of these no good Gulf states , hell Annan before him was the same way , for some of to say he is a decent man , wow , Syria had brought this dumb ass proof of the Alqaida and the Qataris and Saudis admitted to funding these thugs , and he did nothing , they just slammed more sanctions on Iran and Syria , the UN should pack up and go home , they are nothing but bunch of HYPOCRITES .
What's equally telling here is that The Secretary-General, who is a leader, also can easily recognize a lack of leadership! Obama asked him not to go. I don't know exactly what he answered, but if it would have been me, I would have responded something like this, " You abdicted your leadership nearly four years ago, just shortly after accepting a position that desperately requires it! Your opinion is not sought, nor is it welcome and it will not be considered!
Excuse Me !!! After reading all the post here I have come to the conclusion that I am the smartest guy that ever lived !!!! And why would I say that? Because I can see what this is all about and you guiness can't . I would say it is time for you people to go home and put your heads in a pail of cold water !!! When you can come back and tell me about the dwaft then maybe just maybe you will have a brain big enough to post some real points. The road sign you should have been looking for is 100 miles back . YES WAR IS COMING but not for the reasons you say and not the way you think. When it happens you people will say WHAT THE H$LL HAPPENED. The game is the same as a junky saying where do I get my drugs now. Keep eating the crap you are brain washed with and you will never fiqure out what happened.
UN action at it's best. They make nukes, we call them names, that will teach them.
Syria's Sunnis are not looking for democracy but ethnic supremacy. A Sunni victory in Syria will bring about the resettlement or annihilation of whatever Alawites, Shiites and Christians remain. My hope for peace is that both side's gunmen eliminate each other until only those Syrians who love their children and families more than their AK's remain.
Arming the rebels is a vote against Syria's remaining Christians, Alawites ans Shiites!