KeyOrion You are brilliant! Happy opposites day! No gun?

sherlock holmes???????????

Was the cyclist tested for GSR? aka Gun Shot Residue ... I learned that from Marg Helgenburger. And if I may add - Marg is HOT HOT HOT ...

...that means the car must have passed the cyclist as he was cycling

Or...... the car could have been parked a while........

Or..... the car could have been headed the other direction.....

Or..... there was a side street nearby....

Tel us more Clouseau.

Its between the Pink Panther and James Bonds..this is not our business..we have enough problems here in the USA!

Just another murderous, blood thirsty, soulless monster taking lives (even 8 year olds) with no remorse. Why can't the barbarians of the world be wiped out already!? Or at least thrown on an island together where they can torture and kill each other while we lead normal lives.

Can't blame this one on the NRA since there is none over there however, there are going to be posts blaming them anyway. Gotta blame someone..................right!?

What a god dam tragedy though. They may have "ALL" been family members. What a shame. Poor little girl man. She took three bullets and still lived. More power to you little girl and condolences to the others. I hope they figure out who did it.

I'm willing to bet it was a few guys from the nearby towns that knew there were tourists coming through all the time. Stoned on drugs and needing their next fix. Scumbags!

My heart goes out to the surviving little girl ... and to compare this to a movie and poke fun ... shows what a sick society we have withered to ............

Key Please tells us you are not an Investigator! You didn't even read the story close enough to get the details that are already known.. Like "Sixty casings littered the crime scene" not in the car so the shouters or shooter were not in the car and then got out.

The story also has some confusing statements like this "Police believe the victims were shot between 3 p.m. and 4 p.m. – just 10 minutes before the cyclist came upon the car." Hmmm if it was 3pm won't that make it possibly 1 hour and 10 minutes before the biker found them not just 10 minutes?

"The deaths were ascertained to the minute." Where did you pull this from, your ass?

It sounds more like an assassination than a "Possible carjacking" to me. But I'm no investigator either and more than likely don't have half the facts the police already have.

Jason Bourne

Hasn't France been through this recently -random shootings- and didn't it turn out to be a Muslim extremist?

You're all thinking it.

Or it could just be Jason Bourne.

Maybe the Syarians are fight back for Frances support of the Reb's.

one might ask were they robbed?were they still wearing jewelry?did they have cash or i.d. on them

Won't happen, Europeans are way more advanced people than Americans.

Sounds good to me Bengal. Ever been in a french train station or airport, wow, the cops have automatic weapons and there is always a army presence with auto weapons, almost like a police state that you would like?

yeah, so renegades could go after each other like in the states. Good solution, Bengal. Turn the whole world into killing machines

The French are more sophisticated than you Americans ... this is why Hitler made fools of the French 70 years ago ... and the Wehrmacht had their way with French women for a few years adding blonde DNA to the French gene pool. C'est Le Vie.

Europeans are way more advanced people than Americans.

Yes, WW2 showed that particularly with the French- the doormats for the Germans.

In Switzerland, every single man is a part of the Army regardless of age, and has a hand gun and an automatic weapon in their house. I have seen this for myself. The Swiss are a very peaceful people. Prepared, but exceptionally peaceful. There is no argument for gun control.

There just doesn't seem like we can go anywhere anymore without crime. Such a sad world.

The united states was a great place when OUR society was homogeneous.Other cultures too have had MANY centuries to form.Our culture is being destroyed before we make it to half the time of rome

sidvic! ou are insane! They are so socialistic they are broke! Over 50% of the working population are on the dole and collect pension or disability or some other form of entitlements.The governemnt is broke! They don't even use street sweepers in Paris,they use men.Busy work. Vote for Obamy and we will be more like France than you would ever want to be!

Sidvic says: "Europeans are way more advanced people than Americans." Have you Euros forgot WWII already? That was "way more advanced" I guess. 60 years have passed since we eliminated the Nazi so I guess you can dispense moral guidance again - but not to everyone.

"Europeans are way more advanced people than Americans." Explains the "Mitt the Twit" headline in England. Maybe Mitt can tell us all about it in French.

"Europeans are way more advanced people than Americans."

Yeah, so "sophisticated" that the next time someone comes to try and take them over (maybe an Islamic uprising next time instead of German), they'll come crying to the USA to come save them again so they can go back to telling everyone how "unsophisticated" the USA is. Europeans are snobs is what they are. (not all certainly, but many for sure) Maybe next time we should just let them fend for themselves and see how long they last.

The only thing I despise more than an arrogant European is an arrogant American liberal who's too stupid and ungrateful to understand how lucky they were to be born here. You'll also notice you don't see many of them moving to Europe...but they love to sit around and bitch about how supposedly great Europe is.

And then they wonder why I think their sorry a$$ is an unamerican POS. DUH!!

LOL ! i'm french, but sorry to tell you, french people have a low tolerance for guns, they are owned and used only by hunters, and now by a few punks in the inner city who think they are "Boyz in da hood". The average french person has only seen a gun on TV. I'm from a generation that had to do military service, so handling an automatic weapon as a 19 year-old was very exciting..But seriously, there are way to many guns circulating in America, and no, i am not concerned about NRA law-abiding members, I'm concerned about street thugs here in DC, with no respect for human life.

I'm sorry to hear all the anti-french sentiment stemming from WW2... I am and forever will be grateful for the GI's who sacrificed their life against the nazis. France wouldn't be what it is today without our american allies. And no, we are not all snobs..

I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to our French brethren for the arrogance, ignorance, and rudeness of some of my fellow Americans here. Obviously they have forgotten that without the help of France, America would have lost our Revolutionary War of Independence. We could very well still be a part of the British Commonwealth if France had not provided us with the money, manpower, firepower, ships, etc., which made it possible for us to defeat the British and become an independent and free nation. So thank you France, a beautiful country with a rich history and culture, and the first friend of the United States of America. Liberte, egalite, fraternite. Best wishes.

to the heart!!! wonderful said to those that take the arrogant position of appointing themselves as if they were in the WW2 defending the French, most of those that go with the old WW2 "we saved your country" I bet had never been outside of their block or neighborhood, so the analogy and comparison is simply perfect.

Yes, in Switzerland (I lived there for my senior year of high school), all people (maybe all men) are required to be armed. It's the most peaceful place on earth.

And, I do believe that most Europeans are way beyond Americans in intelligence and common sense. They've been in more wars than we have (for thousands of years) and they don't believe their politicians like we do.

If you've never been to France, you should not criticise the "common" Frenchman or Frenchwoman. I find them to be marvelous people even when they are sniping at each other in Paris. I'm happiest when I'm around the frogs.

And, they have a marvelous culture... of course, much of it was imported from Florence through the queen, but let's not quibble over these wonders.

Tina Don't insult the French if you don't know any. Don't mistake the politicians with the everyday people.

Dianne,

Good point about the American Revolution.

Tina

And then they wonder why I think their sorry a$$ is an unamerican POS. DUH!!

Actually, convervativenotrebpublican, I wouldn't wonder about you at all, just avoid you. This shouldn't be too hard as I don't live in a trailer park, on under a rock.

@Chris65,

Well put. I see you French also have a low tolerance for Bull Sh!t. :-) So do I.

I appreciate "your" appreciation for our GI's. We lost thousands of good young Americans fighting a war to protect the innocent. Hitler was a bully and we "all" took him out.

Have a nice day...

Maybe some gang members from Chiago are looking for some wits to a crime! Just saying.

T-Flood and Ray: Swiss citizens are not required to be armed/have a gun in their home. Yes, a lot do, but it is not a requirement. My husband is Swiss and my in-laws still live in Switzerland, no guns in their house. Men are required to complete their service in the Swiss Army, but there is no gun requirement on citizens.

Their in France.

They're*

Since you had to correct "dog" as well.

doginmirror; Maybe that was the reason I was robbed in the uk, wouldn't have happened here in the U.S as of yet.

The BMW had U>K>plates (Great Britain) the nationalities of the victims have not been revealed- Brits are on the case. One man shot dead in front seat- 2 women shot dead in the back seat- young girl-10 yrs old seriously wounded-in intensive care in Grenoble hospital- found on the left side of the car; a bicyclist(man)shot dead on the right of the car- a bicyclist found them and is in shock. The Haute Savoye region is preferred by British tourists. Lots of spent cartridges all around the scene. Hopefully the young girl will recover.

mimi: How old would that little British girl be that went missing a few years ago? Child abduction ring?

I love the way the media says it looked like a scene out of the movies...well real life is were the movies gets its material...mostly anyway....maybe not sci-fi ..

Sad that wherever you travel you could encounter random acts of violence. Maybe they were Israelis, maybe they were Iranian scientists, maybe they saw something they shouldn't have. And now they are dead, well whoever they were, I hope the young girl recovers, and the others, may they be in peace as fights of angels sing them to their rest.

You said it Barlow, Amen.

I agree. However, I don't know that the changes and stresses are the problem. I truly believe that societies accepting the continual violence and sex in movies, television, and on the web, are severely harming our kids, as well as society in general. Societies are losing their sense of caring for others. They are losing their sense of protection for others. The other major problem is the availability of drugs.

I am not a prudish person. I am not a religious zealot. However, I do think we need to re-think the societies we are building. We are building them around what? Violence and sex? These are not values. Values are not being established properly any more. Even if parents try to instill values, the societal influences are overriding them in some cases.

My condolences to this little girl. I hope she will recover and has good people to be with through her recovery and for the rest of her life.

J840395, it's called sin, and all are sinners by nature and by choice, won't change them with ink on paper, the law breakers won't change.

Guns make for a polite society ... Smile when you say that pardner ...,

It's not the guns, they have been around a long time. It's the people, gone crazy, crazy, and then some.

guns are easy to use...but if their were no guns these people that kill people would just use knives....

Joseph - you think so? Knives are so personal and intimate. The super crazy killers use knives because they like the feel of life being sucked away....the rest can just shoot from afar and run.... I doubt most could handle the difference.

Lord Maximus -

Or one might say: "An armed society is always a polite society."

The consequences of rudeness will be made plain to you.

Pntifex Marxist, I have been robbed in Europe, and have been to 18 of your so called safe countries where crime is still a big part of your life, your feeding BS to someone who has been there and knows better.

So are we pretending now that western Europe doesn't have significantly lower violent crime rates than the US?

Yes, violent crimes do still occur everywhere in the world - no one's denying that - but they occur at quite a lower rather in most of western Europe. To put it another way, in France and the rest of western Europe incidents like this are a lot rarer, percentage wise, then they are in the United States.

Don't fool yourself by pretending that incidents like this bring France anywhere close to the US in terms of violent crime.

(I'm against gun control for the record, and I believe that the differences in violent crime rates are largely societal rather than the result of any laws - but I'm also against bad arguments and false equivalencies.)

ben fox - Anecdotal evidence isn't proof of anything. I've been to nearly every country in Europe and never been robbed, whereas I've been robbed once in the US and once in Africa. I wouldn't use that as evidence to suggest that the US is as dangerous as Mali.

Crime is a part of life everywhere. Nowhere in the world is perfectly safe. But if you're going to be intelligent about this, you have to look at the facts - based on extensive surveying and research - and accept the fact that western Europe is overall significantly safer than the United States. That's based on information about thousands of instances of crime, versus your single instance.

But go on, keep pretending to yourself that Sweden's crime rates are just as bad as the US' crime rates.

It's called sarcasm ben, look into it (and I thought foxes were supposed to be clever.)

In Italy look for the criminal Schettino (Cazzo e Cobarde!)

Jason, I guess you don't read much about crime statistics before posting some false information. The UK has the highest violent crime rate in Western Europe. It went up 80% in the first decade after they banned guns. From 2010, they have a rate of 2034 violent crimes per 100,000 residents. France has a rate of 504 per 100,000. Even our neighbors to the North, Canada, has a rate of 935 per 100,000. The US has a rate of 466 per 100,000 , which besides the countries I named, is lower than Sweden, Finland, Belgium, Austria and the Netherlands.

@Roodles, you should link to sources if you are going to quote numbers. I couldn't find "violent crime rates", but the UN is the source for the numbers in the Wikipedia article on the subject and the US is higher than all the nations you mention for murder rates. Of course, the US is lower than most of Africa and South America. And this article we are commenting on is specifically about murder after all (though I would expect violent crime rates to be similarly aligned).

Apparently, I can't link in comments, but you can see the source for my data in the Wikipedia article "List of countries by intentional homicide rate" which uses the UNDOC as the raw data (which you can download from the article).

Roodles - post your citations. Because the "stats" you posted are pure fiction. You will not fool anyone here (provided they have a reasonable IQ, and are not gun nuts) with made-up statistics.

you should never bring children to a dope deal. probably some of lance's ol buddies from back in his doping days, re-living the glory of the tour and using some dope on the side to make a few bucks.

Its called the "International Small Arms Treaty". How is it that the President and Secretary of State could promote a worldwide treaty to take away a Constitutionally protected right here in our own country? Why hasnt the media informed the American people what their government officers are doing?

You guys gotta stop drinking the cool-aid, it's got stuff in it that makes you stupid, and you know what uncle Al said about stupidity," “Only the Universe and Stupidity are Infinite, and I’m not one-hundred percent sure about the Universe.”

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp

Because it has already been proven false..?

More fiction from fear mongers. "They're gonna take our guns! They're gonna take our guns!" Give it a rest, Henny Penny.

The other two are on there way to become Bubbas girlfriend in the can. Pun intended.

Le Mob.

Makes sense to me ...

La Mafia

Oh, I get it. Because you think our President is a thug and a murderer. Interesting. And says A LOT about your character (and none of it good).

Someone needs to call OBAMAs buddy RAHM EMANUEL and ask him about the CHICAGO CONNECTION.

I love watching right-wingers when they know they are losing the election. Very amusing!

Cmon man.

Hey golfdud, It's spelled they're, short for they are. And whats with the bs remark "they're only Europeans whats the big deal.... Do you know anything about history? Without Europeans there wouldnt have been a United States of America. Unless of course you wanted to start the country with some nappy haired boys and girls imported from Africa.

Sure, let some 1st and 2nd generation africans start the USA. Ooops, they cant read or write, they cant even invent the wheel.... Oh yes they did, they took that round shape and put it in their lower lips to make themselves look cool. Yup, they did that while Europeans were inventing musical instruments that gave us classical music and operas. The printing press, so we could have books to read and learn from. Yup, while the lowly african used whatever wood they found to burn and shrink heads. Makes sense to me.

How does that song go, "How many deaths does it take till he knows, that too many people have died?"

Golfndude : you're only a douchebag, so what does your comment matter ?

T-h-e-y-'-r-e = They're = They are = What were you smoking in the parking lot instead of learning basic English?

Maximus, you are stupid and arrogant beyond belief. The healthcare in france is very good. take a number ? Last time i went to the ER in the US I waited for 5 hours. that's after they asked me : " Will it be Visa, Mastercard or Amex ?". They won't ask you for any payment in France. If you can't pay they will still treat you. It is NOT a commercial enterprise as in the US. Educate yourself before spouting some republican nonsense.

Turn off the FoxNews and wake up.

France's healthcare is ranked #1 by the World Health Organization.

And the US? #37

How about "best in the world"?

You know what? Just leave. If you don't like the direction of the United States, then go. You get the Hefty bags and I'll help you pack up the trailer.

Now, back to the actual topic of the story...

How did Obamacare end up on this board? Why are people so against social medicine?

Oh yeah, the insurance companies want them to be!!! I hate to break your bubble, fella, but Rush and Fox don't have your best interests at heart.

The police are a social service. So are fireman, EMT's, etc.... Are you anti-Obamacare folks saying that these should turn into private enterprises?

We get, you learned how to troll at your retirement home, kudos for public funding to train the elderly and senile on how to use the internet.

Fartifex Maximus has too much time on its hands.

for such a short sentence you managed to squeeze in a lot of naivete and leave out nearly all of the logic. when will it be permissible to ban poorly educated trollops who like to blab about things that require critical thinking skills?

Easy, Tdub - Do you know what a trollop is? You just insulted this person who stated a point of view, whether you think it's valid or not. How about not throwing insults at her?