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Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi meets with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, left in Tripoli, Libya, in Sept. 2008. Human Rights Watch on Thursday released a report painting a more complete picture of Washington's close cooperation with the regime of Libya's former dictator in the wake of the 9/11 attacks.
A human rights organization says it has collected evidence of two previously unreported cases in which U.S. agents used waterboarding or a similar harsh interrogation technique on Libyan militants held by American forces in Afghanistan.
The 154-page report by Human Rights Watch also paints a more complete picture of Washington's close cooperation with the regime of Libya's former dictator Moammar Gadhafi in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. The U.S. handed over to Libya the Islamist opponents of Gadhafi that it detained abroad with only thin "diplomatic assurances" that they would not be mistreated, and several of them were subsequently tortured in prison, Human Rights Watch said.
The report features interviews by the New York-based group with 14 Libyan dissident exiles. They describe systematic abuses while they were held in U.S.-led detention centers in Afghanistan -- some for as long as two years -- or in U.S.-led interrogations in Pakistan, Morocco, Thailand, Sudan and elsewhere before the Americans handed them over to Libya.
"Not only did the U.S. deliver his (Gadhafi's) enemies on a silver platter, but it seems the CIA tortured many of them first," said Laura Pitter, counterterrorism adviser at Human Rights Watch and author of the report.
"The scope of Bush administration abuse appears far broader than previously acknowledged and underscores the importance of opening up a full-scale inquiry into what happened," she added.
UK spies to face criminal inquiry over Libya
The documents, which were found in once-secret archives that became public during the Libyan revolution, included classified correspondence between top Libyan officials and officials from the CIA and Britain's spy agencies MI5 and MI6.
Former Vice President Dick Cheney discusses his memoir, "In My Time," with TODAY's Matt Lauer. In the exclusive interview, Cheney defends the Iraq war, says waterboarding "worked" and tells Lauer the greatest achievement of the Bush administration was preventing further attacks on U.S. soil after 9/11.
They illustrate how, between late 2003 when Gadhafi agreed to give up his weapons of mass destruction programs, and the 2011 Libyan revolution, Gadhafi and Western intelligence agencies quietly cooperated in battling Islamic militants.
Waterboarding is a form of simulated drowning that President Barack Obama and human rights activists have condemned as torture.
Britain, U.S. defend actions
U.S. and British officials defended their governments' actions.
"It can't come as a surprise that the Central Intelligence Agency works with foreign governments to help protect our country from terrorism and other deadly threats. That is exactly what we are expected to do," said Jennifer Youngblood, a CIA spokeswoman.
The former Libyan Foreign Minister - now being debriefed in Britain - will not be given immunity from prosecution, according to the Government. Scottish lawyers have asked to interview Musa Kusa in connection with the Lockerbie bombing. As a senior member of Colonel Gadhafi's regime he could provide important information for the coalition. ITV's Tom Bradby reports.
"The context here is worth revisiting. For example, by 2004, the U.S. government had convinced Gadhafi to renounce Libya's WMD programs and to help stop those terrorists who were actively targeting Americans," Youngblood said.
A spokesman for Britain's Foreign Office said: "The government has been clear that it stands firmly against torture and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment or punishment. We do not condone it, nor do we ask others to do it on our behalf.
"In addition, we have published the Consolidated Guidance which provides clear directions for intelligence officers and service personnel dealing with foreign liaison services regarding detainees held overseas," the spokesman said.
Slideshow: Moammar Gadhafi through the years
Some of the other nations that Human Rights Watch alleged to be U.S. collaborators in these operations are the Netherlands, Pakistan, China, Malaysia, Morocco and Sudan.
The most dramatic, and potentially controversial, of the report's 14 case studies relates to alleged waterboarding.
Senator John McCain, R-Ariz, says enhanced interrogation measures, such as waterboarding, were not a factor in tracking down 9/11 mastermind Osama bin Laden.
Human Rights Watch said that testimony from former detainee Mohammed Shoroeiya about how he was allegedly waterboarded repeatedly by U.S. interrogators was "detailed and credible."
Shoroeiya claimed he had been waterboarded while in U.S. custody in Afghanistan, and that a doctor was present during the interrogation sessions, the group said.
It said that a second former Libyan detainee, Khalid al-Sharif, described how he was subjected to a "similar type of treatment," though this did not involve being strapped to a board.
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Human Rights Watch said both detainees claimed that they were hooded and had ice water poured over their noses and mouths until they felt like they were suffocating -- the sensation associated with waterboarding.
Claims contradict Bush, CIA
The accounts by the Libyan detainees, one-time members of a militant faction called the Libyan Islamist Fighting Group, contradict claims by former President George W. Bush, former CIA director Michael Hayden and other U.S. officials that waterboarding was only used on three militants in the wake of the September 11, 2001, attacks -- none of them Libyan.
U.S. officials expressed skepticism about the waterboarding allegations. And there are apparent differences in how the Libyans describe their treatment and the waterboarding procedures used in three cases that U.S. authorities have confirmed -- those of alleged al-Qaida militants Abu Zubaydah, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri.
In those cases, official investigations reported, the interrogation subjects were doused repeatedly, but in short bursts, with bottled water.
Slideshow: Life goes on in Guantanamo
"The agency has been on the record that there are three substantiated cases in which detainees were subjected to the waterboarding technique," the CIA's Youngblood said.
"Although we cannot comment on these specific allegations, the Department of Justice has exhaustively reviewed the treatment of more than 100 detainees in the post-9/11 period -- including allegations involving unauthorized interrogation techniques — and it declined prosecution in every case," she added.
Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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And what does Human Rights Watch say about how U.S. prisoners of war are treated? <crickets chirping>
America claims the moral high grounds when it is time to criticize other nation's human right violations but never admits the same violations committed at home or at Gitmo. Much of the domestic propaganda is to brainwash naive Americans into believing there is a virtuous government at DC.
Too many ignorant Americans, a product of government operated public schools, are so blinded by there own misdirected patriotism that they believe two wrongs make a right.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three rights do make a left. And two Wrights did make an airplane. And oh, by the way, what is the name of the superior education system that produces graduates who don't know the difference between "there" and "their"?
So Denver, you had no intelligent response to FatCat's post? I don't doubt that there are occasions where our government has no option but to play dirty like everyone else. It is, as you suggest below, hypocrisy to act like a sinner and claim to be a saint. It is deceitful to claim to be the beacon of liberty but to assist other nations with the oppression of their people. It is lying to say we don't, when we do.
Did I spell everything correctly?
My original post was made to point out how Human Rights Watch is one-sided when it come to drawing attention to human rights abuses. FatCat chose to use that as a springboard to excoriate the United States. That being the case, I didn't think FatCat was interested in (or deserved) an intelligent response.
Agreed. Hypocrisy is ubiquitous when politicians and governments are involved.
lol. Yes, you did. But my suggestion of hypocrisy was made "above" your comment, not "below" it. My comment below makes the flat out claim of hypocrisy.
I worry about a lot of things, but THIS isn't one of them. Sorry, but what happens to a captured bunch of Islamofascist dirtbag thugs isn't something that's going to keep me up at all hours of the night. Now, it's off to work and about my business I go. Have a great day, all.
Human Right Watch care more about enemies of the freedom . HRW works defending the rights of terrorist in Colombia, before in Peru, denouncing the Peruvian Government about the abuses against the terrorist group Shining Path and MRTA , terrorist who vandalize towns and kidnapping kids to fight with them. HRW scumbag.
so some insurgents killing our guys that we caught and questioned got returned to their home country? whatever...... they probably shouldn't have took up arms in a war zone..
oh, and Fatcat,
we know what's going on.... we are just tired of Terrorists literally getting away with outright acts of war, torture and murder for 40 years, so 9/11 came along and we took the gloves off...
and if you are too squeamish to look at it or truly know the history involved or know what you are talking about with respect to our educational system.. you can continue to live in your ignorance and we are fine with that... but we aren't just going to sit around while we and our allies like the UK, Spain, and well, all of western Europe etc. get pummeled.
The real story here is in how closely US government worked with Gadhafi, not that some dude was waterboarded by CIA (that is a given, their contractors do a lot worse than waterboard people).
What does the Human Rights group think about the innocent killings in Syria?
Years have passed and we were dealing with terrorists. The Human Rights group needs to worry about what is happening right now. Christians being killed in Egypt, families being killed in Syria.
We should waterboard Obama until he releases his SEALED documents that prove he is ineligible to be president!
This is an issue after obama killed hundreds of inocent Lybians with his tomahawk cruise missles, and airstrikes?.
O'bama's method of kill first, ask questions to the corpse later is much better! An unarmed Bin Laden could have been captured alive, yet O'bama chose a kos mission, then lied to the American people about how it all went down in order to justify killing him instead.
I wonder how much information from water boarding he used in order to achieve his greatest accomplishment as President?
Yes, after all the rapes, civilian murders and anything that can get a death sentence - US army gets away with a dishonorable discharge....not many news items on US army being tortured....
Kornfed
O'bama's method of kill first, ask questions to the corpse later is much better! An unarmed Bin Laden could have been captured alive, yet O'bama chose a kos mission
I guess your OK on over 100,000 deaths caused by an unpovoked war? Maybe you'll be better when mitt the wit attacks Iran and China says wait that's a no no. And starts to help Iran
Not sure what world you live in? Must be la la Land.
You have the right to remain silent for eternity is the rights President Obama is giving
enemy combatantscriminals. He campaigned that they would have civilian trials and Miranda rights but now he kills them, their families and anyone else that happens to be there at the time of impact.Guess you were there in person to witness he was unarmed. You believe every thing you read is true if it may hurt Obama1 Bush and Cheney can not visit overseas for they will be arrested on a war crime warrant. Clinton and carter can go any place in the world to spread good there is no ex-Republican president that can do that. Guess you think that the Bushes deserves Noble Peace Awards for the wars they took us into !
I guess you missed Clinton's speech last night. Let me fill you in. He Praised both Bush's for their work around the world. He praised George W. for his tremendous work in Africa. Read a book for God's sake and try to understand reality and not everything you are told by partisan on the dole henchmen. If you can't read watch Charlie Rose on PBS. You need to move beyond the hyperbole of politics and start trying to understand reality. You can start by studying the 1999 repeal of Glass-Steagall, with tremendous support from both parties.
Why are we supposed to care what happens to terrorist scum bags? These clowns kill anyone that does not follow their extreme laws. They kill their own citizens and citizens of any western country. So again, why are we supposed to feel bad for people that behead other human beings or stone them to death. Oh no a simulated drowning. BFD. Lets focus on some real issues.
First, if we did, who cares? If there are people that deserve it, I would say Islamic terrorists would be pretty close to the top of the list.
Second, the evidence is based on testimony from these terrorists, so why do we believe anything that they say.
Third, if you are working with a country and turn over POWs that are from their country, you can ask them to play nice, but you have no control over what they do to their people.
This entire article is a non-issue.
"What does the Human Rights group think about the innocent killings in Syria?"
Gee, that's a really fantastic question. I wish there was some sort of way of finding this information. You know, some sort of search engine or something like that. Oh wait, there is. And here is what I found in about 12 seconds on Human Rights Watch's webpage:
"Syria responded to months of peaceful protests with brutal force involving indiscriminate air and artillery assaults on residential areas and apparent targeting of civilians, and torture, which constitute war crimes and crimes against humanity, pushing the political confrontation into an internal armed conflict. "
"First, if we did, who cares? If there are people that deserve it, I would say Islamic terrorists would be pretty close to the top of the list."
I care.
"Second, the evidence is based on testimony from these terrorists, so why do we believe anything that they say."
No, it isn't. If you had actually put your three brain cells together and read the article you would have found a reference to, "...documents, which were found in once-secret archives that became public during the Libyan revolution, [which] included classified correspondence between top Libyan officials and officials from the CIA and Britain's spy agencies MI5 and MI6." Even without that little tid-bit, I would think that the fact that the CIA isn't even denying these allegations but rather is making broad references to the "context" of their crime gives us pretty good indication that the accusations are true.
"Third, if you are working with a country and turn over POWs that are from their country, you can ask them to play nice, but you have no control over what they do to their people."
This is absolutely true. This is why we have laws that prevent us from turning people over to governments that we know will torture them. Furthermore, it has nothing to do with the allegations that the CIA tortured these people BEFORE turning them over to the Libyans. That's a felony, and a serious one at that. Learn how to read.
"This entire article is a non-issue."
And you are a moral and intellectual non-entity.
When will Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld be charged and tried for war crimes. Then against The Kochs and Rove for subversion
When all the red blooded Americans are killed by the pinko, one world, America is bad, idealistic ninnyhammers which ain't going to happen.
No offense toystore, but I'm more concerned with the people that were murdered on 9/11.
I could care less if the CIA poured water on someones face.
Actually, if it even has the potential to save ONE innocent American life, Feel free to pass me the bucket.
uaw...
As soon as obummer is charged with treason.
Oddly enough the last president charged/convicted of a crime was ... Clinton .
As for the last DNC speaker.. well theres slick willy, rangle.. haven't really taken a close look at the rest , but obama should be tried for treason.
State your case for treason .I bet you don't have one do you your a Republican you don't use facts
What Bush did for Africa HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Ever heard of Liberia? Oh apparently not since you listen to every little word the media tells you that country went to hell and they were screaming bloody murder for America to come in and save them and take down thier ruthless dictator and Bush did nothing but turn his hearing aid off lol. Yes Bush was so great for the world. Forget that he made most of the world hate and condemn us for about four and a half years everyone?
Frankly I must attack Bush because he was an idiot nothing at all like his father who was a great man despite the bad economy. Obama is actually not that much better since he tries to pick fights with China and thier territorial waters that have been there's for nearly 700 years! Still I'll vote for him and everyone knows Clinton was just ponying up to the masses he doesn't care about the Bush's.
How can we preach to or tell anyone else in the world NOT to torture or NOT to detain someone without an open and fair trial IF we do it. Dick Cheney is a pshycho. That man is capable of anything. He has no conscience, no morals, no ethics. He is the worst kind of politician there is. He is a poor excuse of a human being. He is another blemish on America, a country, believe it or not, a lot of people in the world still look up to as a model of freedom and justice. I hope Obama finishes closing up Guantanimo and all these other secret prisons.
Quite easily, actually. It's called hypocrisy, and it is ubiquitous throughout humanity. Will you go on record saying you have never counseled someone against a course of action that you yourself have later taken?
Dick Chaney is an outstanding patriot. It has been our good fortune that he played a vital part in the defense of our country when we needed him most.
bill h
WOW! ®¿® That like saying james holmes is an outstanding patriot.
Thanks to Bush/Chaney policies, followed by Obama including Patriot Act. we never had another 9/11. GITMO will remain open , no other place for those animals. Criminals mostly African American are being converted to Muslim to join the Jihad in federal prisons , we don't need more Jihadist .
Don't forget in your rant to include the Drone attacks which have killed, not tortured, those on "Obama's Hit List". Some of which were either children or Americans all because they were collateral damage or a male above the age of 12.
Water boarding has a heck of a better result (staying alive) than being killed for being suspected of being a terrorist.
That has to stop too. Maybe we kill these radical, psycho imams who preach hate and war and kill their own people, men, women, and children BUT others around them survive, espcially children, who see planes drop bombs on their homes and villages and guess what, grow up to hate the US and the west. We are NOT winning any hearts and minds. We are NOT winning the war in Afghanistan. In fact, it is Vietnam Part II. The govenment is corrupt, our big money has corrupted everyone, the Taliban and Al Quieda, like the Viet Cong, fight, and then run and hide to fight another day. The Afghans won't even fight. I agree, WRONG IS WRONG, whether we do it or they do it. IF we had some type of real plan OR the plan we had won the hearst and minds of the Pakistanis or Ahgans or Iraquis, I would we did a good job. But all we ever cared about was getting even for 09/11 and even after we decimated the then leadership and military capability of Al Quaida, we stayed and kept fighting some type of military war that has no goals. The drone attacks, and this war, has got to come to an end. Get everyone home so we have an army left when we really need to fight again.
Our Government has been using propaganda to brainwash Americans since before the cold war, in those days they would tell you the the Russians ate their first born son, if they thought it would instill fear in you, and the Russians were saying the same nonsense to their people, no wonder most of us don't trust the government.
I absolutely agree with Bill H about Dick Cheney. He is an outstanding! I can add that he now has a good heart. Also he is a very good looking ( oops, almost clled him a man ) whatever he is. You are very lucky indeed that you have those in america. They used to be in other countries before, but stupid locals would hunt them out
bill h
Dick Chaney is an outstanding patriot.
I agree with you, but "Dick Cheney" wasn't an outstanding patriot
Dick Cheney is a great vp so much so he is a wanted man in several countries overseas. He had scheduled a trip over seas but cancelled because he didn't want to accept the warrant that awaited him.
oskar - Thanks to Bush, Cheney and the Mossad, we had a 9/11. There is no doubt that 9/11 was an inside job. The smoking gun was Bldg 7, which fell in a controlled demolition in 6.5 seconds, straight down into it's own footprint. Bldg 7 was owned by Silverstein, as were the twin towers and had been insured against a terrorist attack in July for billions.
There is abundant evidence that 9/11 could not have taken place without help from other sources. here are a few links to chew on.
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091201passportfound
The passport of 9/11 hijacker Satam Al Suqami is reportedly
found a few blocks from the World Trade Center. [ABC News, 9/12/2001; Associated Press, 9/16/2001; ABC News, 9/16/2001] Barry Mawn, the director of the
FBI’s New York office, will say that police and the FBI find it during a “grid
search” of the area. [CNN, 9/18/2001] However a senior counsel to the
9/11 Commission will later claim the passport is actually discovered by a
passerby and given to a New York City Police Department detective, “shortly
before the World Trade Center towers collapsed.” [9/11 Commission, 1/26/2004] According to FBI
agent Dan Coleman, Al Suqami’s passport is handed to a New York City detective
who is “down there, trying to talk to people as they were coming out of the
buildings.” By the time the detective looks up again after receiving the
passport, the man who handed it to him has run off, “which doesn’t make sense,”
Coleman will say. The passport is then given to a detective on the Joint
Terrorism Task Force. Coleman will say that by this evening, “we realized… that
this was the passport of one of the people that headquarters had identified as
one of the 19 probable hijackers.” [France 5, 3/14/2010] Investigative journalist Nick
Davies will later write that he talked to “senior British sources who said they
believed that the discovery of a terrorist’s passport in the rubble of the Twin
Towers in September 2001 had been ‘a throwdown,’ i.e. it was placed there by
somebody official.” [Davies, 2009, pp. 248] The Guardian
will comment, “The idea that Mohamed Atta’s passport had escaped from that
inferno unsinged [tests] the credulity of the staunchest supporter of the FBI’s
crackdown on terrorism.” (Note that, as in this Guardian account, the passport
will frequently be mistakenly referred to as belonging to Atta, not Al Suqami.)
Bldg 7 falling - Anyone who cannot see that this building fell in a controlled demolition, is either senile or has his head up where the sun doesn't shine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A3dW_gUwOg
Molten Heat -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YaFGSPErKU&feature=related
British Newman -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgABDdU7yD8&feature=related
Jim Marrs -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-TLwK4_0g4&feature=related
2012--- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jazdG3-ZETM&feature=related
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html
Susan
--- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68LUHa_-OlA&feature=related
Amnesty was the only thing Obama did that i felt was wrong
Sure they did. AND if they did, I don't care anymore. These rights groups will say and do anything and everything to make the U.S. look bad. All is fair in love and war. That will never change.
We have so many, so much bigger problems that I'm betting there are not too many people who really and truthfully, don't care any more than I do.
When we get our major problems solved in this country then the so called "rights groups" can bitch to me about rights and wrongs. Like the U.N. they stick their noses in where they don't belong.
Even the Nazis, the worst, most evil political / military organization in the world SIGNED THE GENEVA CONVENTION, stating prisoners of war were to be treated humanely. Did bad things go on. Of course, it's war. But did most of the soldiers get treated in some way that abided by these rules. Yes. OK, they commited genocide against the Jews and destroyed Europe and Russia. Signing that does not them good guys. But, when the US fighing a rag tag bunch of terrorists who have no morals and no ethics uses torture, it says anything goes. We lower ourselves to their level. IF it was OK, then why did we have to have secret prisons overseas and on Cuba. Why didn't we have them here? The whole thing stinks, just like that entire administrationg and Dick Cheney is no hero. The man is a sociopath who only cares about one thing: whatever he wants. Everybody who hates this report hates the fact that the world knows what we did, not that we did it. Good for them. I'm glad someone watches what goes on and they report it. Otherwise, we would end up living in some type of communist government. Nobody would dare ask questions.
let it go already for crying out loud - who cares about waterboarding. a lot less painfull than a drill in the knee cap, or getting beheaded with a dull sword like berg, or being forced to drink gasoline or acid, or being thrown off of a three story building with your hands tied behind your back. worse things than waterboarding are being done in our sere schools.
This is not going away - I repeat - this is not going away. The US condones waterboarding and it probably continues to this day. The CIA and anybody else that was involved should be prosecuted for war crimes - that includes Cheney and Bush and Rice and on and on. The world watches what we do and they remember and so do we Americans who have a conscience.
Beyond stupid
The high moral ground @!$%# is laughable.
Want proof? Gitmo is still open.
Irene,
That would include Obama as well since Gitmo is still open and this technique is still used. It was brought to light for political reasons only. Waterboarding has been used for many many years before Bush was elected. Get off your soap box.
right on steven100
I don't care what tactics of interrogation are used, as long as America is safe.
Exactly. Why is everyone bytching and moaning about this? This is war. These militants should have all been sent to meet their seventy some odd virgins by now.
George Bush, Dick Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld should be brought to the Hague to determine if War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity did occur at the direct approval of these men. If the only way the United States has for collecting intelligence information is to torture a person viewed to be our enemy, then we need to back away from telling the rest of the world how to handle human rights issues. Not one person who approved this form of torture ever served in combat. As for the majority of those posting approval of torture, I would challenge that you never served in a combat zone. I lost several very good friends in combat, and I could not bring myself to torture those who killed my friends. The United States has lost the formula for success, and Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld lost their moral compass long ago. Suddenly I realize why none of these men were at the Republican National Convention; they knew this report was about to surface. Every American Citizen should be outraged by this and other reports of torture.
No we are not and u should be brought to Hague to determine if you are just a idiot. If you really say you served in war zone, well then sometimes stuff happens. No one is going to lose sleep over freakn terrorist militants..blah blah blah
Not sure what planet you live on, terry, but its pretty clear President Obama doesn't agree with you or he would have ordered an investigation of the previous administration, instead of:
I guess Obama must be Bush's cock sucking lackey to have continued so much of his policies and not attempting to prosecute Bush, makes Obama a coward, a lackey and certainly unqualified for office.
Or
Obama is aware of the moronic thinking about war criminals and dismisses it as the @!$%# it is.
Has to be one of the two, but you dont have him on your war criminal list.
Either Obama is full of @!$%#, or you are. Which is it?
I would make sure the killers of my very good friends died the most horrible death they could, and yes I was in a war zone '07-'08.
I agree. Dick Cheney is a war criminal. He even said so. He was worried about being charged. What does that tell you. Too back Roberty McNamara is dead. We could charge him too for that big mess and mistake Vietnam. Is Henry Kissinger stilll alive. Charge him too. Wars for no reason. Our best service men and women hurt or killed for some ideological reason or revenge. Iraq was a lie and a big mistake. Taking out Hussein was OK, he was a brutal dictator, but how come it took us 7 years and $100 billion dollars later to get out. Invading Afghanistan was OK. We took out the brutal Taliban and decimated Al Quida's base of operation. Again, 11 years later and $500 billion and we are still there? Why? No one likes it. We are not winning anything. I blame Bush & Cheney. Obama is winding it down but not fast enough. And stop the drones. We are making another entire generation who will remember nothing but planes dropping bombs on their homes.
Bill,
You can blame Obama as well since he increased the troops in Afghan and he is using drones.
You are exactly right Terry. Bush and Cheney are not only war criminals, they conspired with the Mossad, to make sure 9/11 happened. 9/11 was an inside job. The smoking gun is the controlled demolition of Bldg 7, which fell to the ground in 6.5 seconds, right into it’s own footprint, despite not being hit by a plane. Bldg7 and the twin towers were insured by the same owner, Silverstein, for billions
in the July, preceeding 9/11
Here are some links
which should open some eyes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A3dW_gUwOg
Molten Heat -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YaFGSPErKU&feature=related
British Newman -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgABDdU7yD8&feature=related
Jim Marrs -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-TLwK4_0g4&feature=related
2012--- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jazdG3-ZETM&feature=related
Susan
--- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68LUHa_-OlA&feature=related
Then there is this lame attempt at a frameup.
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091201passportfound
The passport of 9/11 hijacker Satam Al Suqami is reportedly
found a few blocks from the World Trade Center. [ABC News, 9/12/2001; Associated Press, 9/16/2001; ABC News, 9/16/2001] Barry Mawn, the director of the
FBI’s New York office, will say that police and the FBI find it during a “grid
search” of the area. [CNN, 9/18/2001] However a senior counsel to the
9/11 Commission will later claim the passport is actually discovered by a
passerby and given to a New York City Police Department detective, “shortly
before the World Trade Center towers collapsed.” [9/11 Commission, 1/26/2004] According to FBI
agent Dan Coleman, Al Suqami’s passport is handed to a New York City detective
who is “down there, trying to talk to people as they were coming out of the
buildings.” By the time the detective looks up again after receiving the
passport, the man who handed it to him has run off, “which doesn’t make sense,”
Coleman will say. The passport is then given to a detective on the Joint
Terrorism Task Force. Coleman will say that by this evening, “we realized… that
this was the passport of one of the people that headquarters had identified as
one of the 19 probable hijackers.” [France 5, 3/14/2010] Investigative journalist Nick
Davies will later write that he talked to “senior British sources who said they
believed that the discovery of a terrorist’s passport in the rubble of the Twin
Towers in September 2001 had been ‘a throwdown,’ i.e. it was placed there by
somebody official.” [Davies, 2009, pp. 248] The Guardian
will comment, “The idea that Mohamed Atta’s passport had escaped from that
inferno unsinged [tests] the credulity of the staunchest supporter of the FBI’s
crackdown on terrorism.” (Note that, as in this Guardian account, the passport
will frequently be mistakenly referred to as belonging to Atta, not Al Suqami.)
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html
Oh look......A Nutty Twoofer !
Cheney turned me into a newt ! .....I'am feeling better....
To people who correct language, "It's like the finger pointing to the moon, if you concentrate on the finger,
you miss all that heavenly glory".
Bruce Lee
joe-3080857
Thank you for your absolutely worthless contribution. Now that you have commented you
can go back to sleep.
Me thinks had denver bill 2's comment (correction) been made by one
of your liberal cohorts it would have met with your approval and you would have
been praising his observation.
Your efforts, just like those of Human Rights Watch and their corrupt and deceitful cronies,
are simply more diversions and BS.
Buzz Binder,
Thank you for your absolutely worthless contribution
Mitt your lying, lies,Lies of the GOP & Paul Ryan TeaWackers, Mitt R. Bain, Citizens United and all the Alec corps : that pays off the RepublicanPUKES Politicians. Its all about the Wealthy getting richer and the middle class getting poorer.....They don't want to help the poor...Who are the one's that leach off the taxpayer. The Wealthy: they get welfare both for themselves an for the Corps. ...But it seems that the Wealthy get away with it ..They steal billions and the few poor steals a few thousands. So what does the GOP want, is Screw the MIddle Class to get even with the few. As I say its the me me me and F everyone else.... The failures of the Republicans party trying to take away SS & Medicare & Health care for Woman so they can give their wealthy Blackmailers more money...To hell with the Poor and Needy. Let them freeze in the winter and stave the Old and Babies,let them die from bad water, do away with the EPA and thats what you'll have, just like all you Tea baggers want...You make me sick with your Me Me Me altitude. Greedy and you all call yourself a REAL Christians, Mormans. What a laugh: Wake up...Sounds like Mitt!!!!!!Fuss up your tax Return: Stop your lieing RYAN:
Don't worry about the stupid tax return. CNN lib, grow up.
Absolutely nothing in maze's rant has any connection to the post.
Reported as no value.
Well it seems we have another brainwashed liberal. I don't care about tax returns, I care about Holder and the current administration being "transparent" and providing the fast and furious docs. A border patrol agent was killed and all you care about is Romneys tax returns???
Timmer2, maze's still has the right to freedom of speech & we have the right to disagree or ignore his statements.
DKJ-4
We all also have the right to report off topic, no value comments.
Wake the @!$%# up.
No Evidence.
No Trial.
Not even a Pretended Trial.
Bush and company should have been charged with warcrimes. They marched into two countries, got hundreds of thousands of people killed, those they capture remain indefinitly detained, and some of those they ended up torturing. At least Iraq was entirely because of false intel or deliberate propoganda and the other was completely unneeded if we had only instead gone in to just get the one man that everyone wanted instead of staying.
What about any of this doesnt make the US seem bad?
I am American and let me say I am not proud to be one, I am embarrased by the actions of my government. I am sure there are those of you who will say if you hate it so much, go live in another country. I say that might be a good idea at some point because our money is going down the drain. For now, I think I will stay because I have no money to travel anywhere.
go back to california idiot.
Chris,
Feel free to respond to #7.2.
I always like to hear responses from the "WAR CRIMINAL!" mongers. Its amusing as hell.
It is better to be independent American and proud of it than to be an American that accepts government handouts. (and not so proud)
Yep the Republicans would say that I am taking hand out I guess since I don't pay any tax on my social security thats the only income I have and the Republicans have been trying to take it away ever since FDR was president Vote for Romney he needs a tax break.
What? Now that is really out there in Bizarro World.
gtouch
What? Now that is really out there in Bizarro World
--------- Even in Bizarro World, that statement is bizarre.
And Obama murdered US Citzens without due process !
George W. Bush and Dick Cheney comprised what was probably the most wicked administration of our government in history. And to think the GOP had their co-conspirator Condi Rice speaking at their convention, and to great applause, just a few days ago. It just makes me sick. No wonder the entire planet rejoiced when Obama was elected in 2008.
SteveR-2067355
I think you, and some of your fellow travelers should permanently leave this country in protest. It is a travesty you are being forced to live in such an unprincipled andimmoral environment. Go somewhere that will give you the ethical, fair and virtuous environment you are seeking. Perhaps Human Rights Watch
could suggest a few places for you to go.
Looking at the Human Rights Watch web site, the US and its allies seem to be among the absolute worst places in the world I don’t see mention of Iran, Cuba or Venezuela and a few other @!$%#holes. Perhaps one of those would suit you best. When you consider they also probaly even have the equal to Obama Care, high taxes and a planned economy you can't go wrong.
They would probably help you attack and criticize the US, perhaps even as a full-time effort. You could live your life basking inanti-American hatred. Perhaps the Hanoi Jane Fonda Foundation has funds to assist you in a move and in engaging in such activities.
If you can’t think of a place, I am sure there are many Americans who would be glad to tell you where to go.
Earth to SteveR
In all your brilliance, you forgot to include the cock sucking lackey boy, Obama on your most wicked list He's obviously covering for Bush as he didnt order any kind of investigation in the Bush/Cheney administration, did he?
Does Obama lick Bush's ass and cover for him, or does Obama believe that people like you are @!$%#ing ididots.
It's one or the other, as Obama certainly doesnt agree with your beliefs.
Which do you think it is, SteveR?
Cmon, tell us all how it really is...
Any nation that condones or performs torture has already lost whatever soul it may have had in the past. A nation that is able to rationalize the torture of enemies will easily be able to rationalize the torturing of its own citizens. Those who torture "terrorists" today will do the same to "enemies of the state", "undesirable elements" or " the disobiedient" in the future.
Like any relationship, you will get what you accept. By accepting a government that views torture as a useful tool to further its goals, the citizens create and support a government that will invariably use that same tool wherever it feels a need.
I'm sorry but your analogy is just way to incorrect for me to pass up. To claim that you can predict what a gov't will or won't do in the future based on its past is just lunacy.
EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY IN EXISTANCE TODAY as committed one atrocity or another in it's time.
Just because an act is condoned (torture of foreign enemies) or permitted to occur (mass genocide of the Jews) does not mean that such behavior will end up occuring again, or that a gov't will eventually use it against it's own citizens...
I should put a disclaimer on that - that a truly representative gov't would do it to it's own citizens, unless the citizens themselves condone it; with a dictatorship or military gov't all bets are off.
I Say DO what ever needs to be done to protect one Solider, Citizen, American. there is no one on this string who can say and truly mean it that they wouldn't do what ever it took to find and protect someone they care about.
I think people need to watch some of the videos Sadaam Hussein collected while in power. He used to torture people in the most cruel manner and would video tape the effort so he could watch at liesure. This is real torture I'm talking about, not sleep deprivation or dunking in water. Sadaam had a trove of these videos with people being whipped, hands being chopped off, fingers being hacked with swords, bones being broken with clubs, tongues being cut out with razor blades, etc..etc...etc...
http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/2006/01/alert_saddams_c.html
Be sure to watch all 4 videos! There were many more that were not released. According to reliable sources the sons were the same as sociopaths as the father.
We go into Iraq, perhaps under a false pretense, but not really knowing, and topple the government of a monster dictator. Then we offer the opportunity for Iraqis to work towards a freer society. The American troops offer an umbrella of security so the Iraqis can build a progressive future instead of a totalitarian or sectarian terror stricken past. Now the Iraqis are embracing the same old sectarian crap that they had a chance to emerge from.
The world hates America for taking this guy out? Then the world is in favor of keeping Sadaam Husein in power. Shame on the world.
In the US, it's called the far left.
"The scope of Bush administration abuse appears far broader than previously acknowledged and underscores the importance of opening up a full-scale inquiry into what happened," she added.
Another example of how the brave guy with the bullhorn hurt his country. If we torture their people, guess what happens when they capture one of our boys?
When they just behead you there is no turtore involved.
Should have executed them.Who cares!
We waterboarded these Libyan dissidents and then turned them over to Libya with assurances that they wouldn't be tortured once they got there. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. What hypocrisy!!!!
EddieTheKid
Be reasonable. Everyone knows it is only Americans who are bad. Ask any liberal and they will tell you, anyone, like themselves, who hates America, is good. In fact the more they hate and disagree with America the better they are. So in that hierarchy, the Libyans of that time were not just good and righteous, they were great people and would never torture or abuse anyone.
They (the left) admire and love the Castros, Hugo Chavezs, Pol Pots, Yassar Arafats, Al Quidas, the Viet Cong and a host of others. They know that they would never torture. Ask Jane Fonda, she visited North Vietnam and knows firsthand. She got on TV and told the world and of course as such we know John McCain’s story is made up and is a total fabrication. (Even if it had been true it was fine because he was an evil American and deserved it.)
What is really dreadful is the despicable efforts of the moderates and conservatives of America to take over the world, steal its wealth, enslave and torture its peoples and do it all to enrich 1%. Although they claim otherwise, everyone knows America and its people, other than liberals, are devoid of any morals or belief in “social justice.” As such, it is easy to see why liberal Americans would join liberal crazies everywhere to
attack and work to destroy their own county.
(For the challenged few, this is sarcasm.)
no we turned them over because we knew they would be.
Isn't this old news. Haven't we already determined we used waterboarding techniques? Haven't we even admitted it?
Drumming up the old hate for Bush are we?
WhereHasAmericaGone
Yes, it diverts attention from Obama's mishandling of the American economy, his
selling out our foreign policy, forcing ObamaCare on us, abandoning our allies,
efforts to turn us into a welfare state, redistribute income, etc.
Come to think of it maybe we need a diversion from his frightening efforts to
destroy our country.
It is time for Obama to go.
Is NBC turning "foreign" more now? Don't any of you people in NBC have ANY sense of patriotism in you? Just think, if Mark Levine does become our Attorney General,....you clowns are going down.
freddy4life
Of course not. It has been well over a decade since they displayed even a hint of integrity or patriotism.
It is time for Obama to go.
there are many questions about why Bush is not saying anything about politics, and the only thing I can be assured of is that Obama knows of criminal actions by the ex-president and is holding George at bay, whatever ex-presidents do should be expunged and the incoming president should never be able to pardon or blackmail, I truly believe Bush did things he felt right about though we all make mistakes, after witnessing Obama politics I think he is useless and should be a 1 term president. good riddance
King Obama has Bush at bay...LOL
Remember Dan Pearl
Amen brother
Should have cut there fingers off one at a time. Nam Vet. You folks will never learn until one of your on gets a head chopped off. God help your crazzy ass.
Let me get out my crying towel, lets see, muslims can behead christians, stone little girls to death, bomb the innocent but god forbid we waterboard them. are you people nuts? they want us dead, why, where is the hue and cry from the general muslim population regarding the beheading incidents, the bombing of innocents, the irrational and destructive influence of islam (like raping little girls), or any one of the myriad attacks on rationality (kill the cartoonist, kill the publisher, kill the producer, kill the...).
Bush kept us safe. Plus I could use some $1.84 gas. Bring him back. The good old days.
I remember gas prices when Bush was in office hitting $4.25 in my town haven't seen it at $4.00 as yet under Obama. So far Obama has kept us safe also SO SHUT UP
Are these Americans who bring up crap like this? What is the point? Terriorists are not on every corner. They are really not all that smart but what they are is determined. If you do not make these folks afraid, you will lose the war on terror. It is all about consequences.