Six people, including young children, die in suicide bomb attack on Afghan NATO HQ

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An Afghan man (right) cries at the site of a suicide attack in Kabul's diplomatic quarters Saturday.

A suicide bomber detonated explosives near the heavily barricaded NATO headquarters in Kabul on Saturday, killing six civilians, NATO and local officials said.

The bomber, who was riding an explosives-laden motorcycle, blew himself up near the entrance of Camp Eggers, a NATO spokeswoman said, referring to a sprawling base that is home to 2,500 coalition personnel who train Afghan security forces.


The blast was the latest example of how militants are able to strike the heart of the Afghan capital even after more than a decade of fighting Western forces with far superior firepower. It also raises questions about Afghan forces' ability to combat insurgents once most foreign troops leave by the end of 2014.

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Pieces of flesh and splattered blood lay on the street near the base, where small bodies were seen being lifted into ambulances, witnesses said.

Young children were among the dead, said Ministry of Interior spokesman Sediq Sediqqi.

The Afghan Interior Ministry said five people were wounded in addition to the six deaths, The Associated Press reported.

Hoshang Hashimi / AP

More than ten years after the beginning of the war, Afghanistan faces external pressure to reform as well as ongoing internal conflicts.

Jamie Graybeal, a spokesman for the U.S.-led international military alliance, told The AP that all coalition compounds in Kabul were currently secure. He said he was not aware of any casualties among members of the coalition.

Taliban claims responsibility
The Taliban took responsibility for the attack, saying they had despatched a bomber to target the Kabul offices of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

"One of our mujahideen targeted an important intelligence office used for recruiting Americans and Afghans for spying," Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told Reuters.

Haqqani network: Terrorist designation adds to captured GI's 'woes'

Sediqqi speculated on his Twitter feed that Saturday's attack, just before noon, may have been carried out by the Haqqanis, the most experienced insurgents in Afghanistan.

On Friday the United States said it is designating the Haqqani network -- blamed for a number of high-profile attacks on Western and Afghan targets in Kabul -- a terrorist organization.

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Senior Haqqani commanders told Reuters from an undisclosed location that the move showed the United States was not sincere about peace efforts in Afghanistan and warned of more attacks on American forces in Afghanistan.

The bombing on Saturday happened as celebrations were underway in Kabul to commemorate the 11th anniversary of the death of Ahmad Shah Massoud, the hero of the 1980s war against Soviet occupiers, and later of opposition to the Taliban.

Massoud was killed on September 9 by al Qaeda militants posing as reporters.

Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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hmm, hmm, hmm, I'm riding on my motorcycle, filled with explosives. I'm gonna die today in a very big way. I'm a crazy suicide sonofabitch.

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#1 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 4:19 AM EDT

This has been happening with such stunning frequency lately that it hardly qualifies as news any more. It is well past time to start being more proactive in dealing with this problem. Motorcycles definitely seem to be the transportation of choice for these bombers, probably because it is easier to get around check points and concrete barricades on one than it is in a car. From now on, they should simply shoot anyone on a motorcycle who fails to stop at, or takes a route to avoid/go around a check point.

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#1.1 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 5:08 AM EDT

Sounds to me like true"Hells Angels".

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#1.2 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 8:27 AM EDT

Don't forget the 7 Virgins he believed he would get.

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#1.3 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 9:12 AM EDT

It is well past time to start being more proactive in dealing with this problem.

No, it is well past time for us to get the fook out of that seventh century rathole. And then to let them all ride their cute little put puts, complete with C-4 on their backrests, to their hearts content.

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#1.4 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 9:28 AM EDT

Hot ticket...could not be said better....how long will we let the corrupt congress keep us in these scum filled outbacks to appease the greedy war mongers ????

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#1.5 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 9:32 AM EDT

Allen, in November VOTE OUT ANY CANDIDATE who supports this war, or ANYONE who wants us to get involved in Syria or Iran- in any way, shape or form.

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#1.6 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 9:43 AM EDT

This article makes a big deal about the suicide bomber being able to strike in the heart of Kabul. So what, if a suicide bomber wanted to strike in any city in the USA, there is no way to get them all. They are mostly killing other Muslims and you would think the "other" Muslims would get fed up with it and make it very unpopular to be a suicide bomber or any other "cult" class Islamic extremist.

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#1.7 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 10:31 AM EDT

--I thought drones were the "bomber" of choice these days--when USA goes on killing spree's!--using one of the Christian cults as the aggressor!(in a kind of union, sometimes battling among themselves)

    #1.8 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 10:42 AM EDT

    HEY!!!!

    Where's the Rev Jesse Jackson, Susan Sarandon, Cindy Sheehan and all the other limp-wristed Libbies?

    Where are the protests? Where are the death tolls running on CNN 24 hours a day? Where is all the anger and hate for Barrack Hussein for keeping us in this war.

    Oh wait, Barrack Hussein said this is the "right war", the "good war"!

    I'm sure everything will be fine when we leave in 2014. I mean, we told the Taliban and AlQaeda our whole plan so all they have to do is wait.

    ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 for real Americans

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    #1.9 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 11:56 AM EDT

    The Taliban and Al Qeada say they are fighting for Allah, when they are truly fighting for satan. I have coined them "satans soldiers".Hmm SS, what a coincidence never thought of that similarity.

    @ bundgard; They drew first blood in this century, and if those in danger of a drone strike in NW Pakistan are hiding among children and families knowingly putting them at risk then I would blame the first agressors more than the second.

    When we hit Taliban leaders and Al Qeada, it is in the name of national security, not Christ. How do you know the one flying the drone is not an atheist, a buddhist, or whatever.So your "Christian cult" statement holds no water, nor does the end make sense. We are also face to face with our enemy we do not run and hide in desert caves and hovels among children like the extremist do.

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    #1.10 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 11:59 AM EDT

    Yep, working for "peace" with the Taliban is turning out just great. Mr. Obama sure likes to "talk" to the terrorists.

    Hey, I have an idea for this administration.....release some of the GITMO Taliban terrorists and send them to Afghanistan for repartriation. Now that will work. Ooooops, Mr. Obama and his administration officals are on top of that suggestion:

    The Obama administration is considering a new gambit to restart peace talks with the Taliban in Afghanistan that would send several Taliban detainees from the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to a prison in Afghanistan, U.S. and Afghan officials told The Associated Press.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/29/obama-administration-considers-turning-taliban-detainees-over-to-afghanistan/

    Wait a minute....put the GITMO terrorists in a sleep trance, install GPS devices under their skin, release them inside Afghanistan, track them, then send in the "armed" drones when then get together in a "safe house".

    Maybe Mr. Obama should send the SofS over there to personally talk with the "terrorists". Heck, that would SCARE them to death. No bullets needed.

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    #1.11 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 1:02 PM EDT

    its a saturday,what do you expect?

      #1.12 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 2:27 PM EDT

      JS in SD,

      I will say this one time just because you do not know (ignorant), after that (stup!d).

      The significance of this (motorcycle, scooter, moped, bicycle) bombs is the physical size of the bomb and the blast effects.

      Translation: It is not very easy to get or make C-4, Semtex, RDX, or PETN (small bomb large effects). Unlike the ammonium nitrate fertilizer from Fundamentalist Islamic Pakistan (large truck bomb medium effects). So where are they getting it from,

      hint: General McChrystal said to the news media who was directly involved (based on captured equipment, weapons, and islamic jihadists) resulting in his getting a Letter of Reprimand from President Obama because doing or stating anything was against President Obama's March 2009 Iran Policy.

      Think about were they are getting the "plastic explosives" for the suicide bomb vests.

      Allen-2635884 - Hot ticket...could not be said better....how long will we let the corrupt congress keep us in these scum filled outbacks to appease the greedy war mongers ????

      Now you want to blame "corrupt congress" for President Obama as US Military Commander In Chief Ordered "Right War". Hypocrites cannot have it both ways, "Obama got Osama Bin Laden"* while not holding President Obama responsible also for Loss of Iraq, 2009-2014 Afghanistan (1), Loss of Suez Canal, Defeat of US Allies Worldwide, US European Allies loss of Libyan Oil, rise of Al Sheebah Somalia, increased Strategic Sphere of Influence of the Chinese, Russian Federation and the Fundamentalist Islam Shia Republic of Iran, President Obama's Secret Wars, etc.. I explained in as much detail as possible without disclosing "Classified Information" (hidden only from US Public and broadcasted by Iranian Fars and Arabic Al Jezeera also even youtube.com, I was f**king laughing because I was translating some of the Iranian Fars (practice my Farsi), creating a transcript then the transcript was turned over to US Intelligence and they read it then marked it "SecretCompartmentalized Information" (f**king US Civilian Non Combatant Bureaucrats that don't even speak the languages of the Region sent to Afghanistan since President Obama's August 2009 US Civilian Surges).

      * I did not see President Obama wearing a stereoscopic night vision device, waiting to board the US Army 160th SOAR MH-60s or MH-47s at Bagram AFB. You can wait 20 years and under US Law Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) to get the Mission Cam Videos, Video Conferences to find out who actually gave the order (President Obama's Preselected "Politically Expedient Scapegoat" if the SR (Special Reconnaissance) Mission Failed as previously planned by Admiral McRaven, General McChrystal, Admiral Owen, CIA Director's SAD/SOG).

      (1) President Obama negotiating with President Karzai for the US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces (aka Special Warfare) to remain in Afghanistan for Decades ("Indefinitely") after the US Military Conventional Warfare Forces Withdraw (Retreat) 2014. And that concerns me because I, "got skin in the game" (I don't play games), so sure volunteer us (President Obama will be out of Office long before we get to leave Decades from now.).

      Terry-753375 - They are mostly killing other Muslims and you would think the "other" Muslims would get fed up with it and make it very unpopular to be a suicide bomber or any other "cult" class Islamic extremist.

      Does not matter, what they (Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists, aka Warriors of Islam) do is say, "See you are here, you made us kill them (innocent men, women, children)".

      Just like the Popular "Bush Illegal Wars", etc. without realizing that both current Afghanistan and Iraq were Caused and backed by Demoncraptic Party US Laws (therefore, Not "Illegal") with US Congressional Appropriations (and not "Unfunded"); so no difference, except those saying that at the US are "Traitors" (by definition, Undermining the Office of the President of the US). The Hypocrites during President Bush, saying "Shrub", "Dubya", "Runt", etc. while during President Obama getting all upset foaming at the mouth saying "Dissing", "Disrespect", "Treason", etc. when the News Media say Mr. Obama instead of President; or, during President Bush saying "Freedom of the Press", "Right to Know", "Constitutional Rights", "Transparency", "Freedom of Speech", etc. like when the President Bush Department Of Justice (DOJ) wanted to go after the News Media for Outing Valerie Wilson in accordance with US Laws, just like the News Media Outed Mark Owen. And now when things embarassing to President Obama are said, published, released, etc. the Hypocrites say "Treason", "Classified", "Book Burning (ala Hitler Youth)", "Prison", "Execution", "Traitors", etc..

      Living for so long outside the Fishbowl (US) looking into the Fishbowl (US) it is easy to see the internal dynamics and external influences. So when the Hypocrites do the above, these "Uneducated", "Backward", blah, blah, Afghans can see just how "Uneducated" the US Citizens are. I used to get all indignant (pissed) when the Afghan children used to say "Ooooo....sa" means "You Stup!d of America" (they have a problem with pronouncing American English letter "U", just like most in US cannot spell Osama Bin Laden, and keep mixing the name up as Usama, etc. without realizing that Usama is not the same person as Osama, or that there are as many of them as Smith or Jones at the US); so what the Afghan children mean is USA means "U" Stup!d of America, I have tried so many times to tell you why they think that (based on their own researched facts, not Americans laziness believing propaganda (not bothering to "Follow the money")).

      Lots of Afghans see just how ignorant (uniformed, or just too lazy to find out) the average US Citizens are about "International Matters". While living with the Afghans for years of consecutive tours to conduct our US Military Asymmetric Warfare Mission, many Afghans to escape Afghanistan would volunteer for us to train them as Translators (marking them for death as Collaborators to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers). After our own extensive vetting (not the President Obama's US Civilian Surge Bureaucrats that don't give a sh!t, because it's not their arse that will get killed) we then train them after other testing and training (which is none of your business) to prevent use of Asymmetric Warfare (Insurgency) against us as our Asymmetric Warfare (Counter Insurgency Warfare). Until they actually trust you they will not tell you what they really think, believing that you will then not help them, they may not be "Educated" as stated on a piece of paper; but, many of common sense and lots of "people smart" since their lives (survival) depend on that.

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      #1.13 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 3:07 PM EDT

      Lots of Afghans see just how ignorant (uniformed, or just too lazy to find out) the average US Citizens are about "International Matters".

      Not true. The average American will know more than most Afghans,about what is going on,they are nowhere near as informed as we are. You could say some Americans but saying the average American is lazy and uninformed on Afghanistan is not a fair statement.

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      #1.14 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 6:24 PM EDT

      Coral Taxi - Not true. The average American will know more than most Afghans,about what is going on,they are nowhere near as informed as we are.

      Do you really want to bet your life on that, I did until a few weeks ago after years of consecutive tours living with the Afghans and SURVIVING. I have previously also clicked on your user name and read your other Newsvine Posts, so like I stated before, stick to being a coral taxi or town bicycle (ridden by everyone, sexual intercourse connotations).

      Coral Taxi - You could say some Americans but saying the average American is lazy and uninformed on Afghanistan is not a fair statement.

      I was being more than generous and fair. You want me to post all the other Newsvine Posts of other Newsvine Posters. Due to the limited numbers of US Military as 1% of US Citizens currently Serving less REAL Information from Firsthand Experience is available to the US Public, and most US Citizens would rather believe their academic idealist non factual opinions than actual Firsthand Experience (my recent arguements at D.C. during my Briefings); all the US Citizens get is whatever is presented by the Censored and Monitored US Communications in accordance with President Obama's January 21, 2009 Patriot Act. How many US Citizens are willing to seek other sources external to the US, or even know how, of Information to verify that they are not being fed a sack of sh!t (propaganda). I have witnessed the same crocks of sh!t among the US Military Conventional Warfare Forces at Afghanistan that only see what is on a secure FOB, COB, Airbase, Green Zone, etc.; the US Politicians, especially the US Embassy Staff living at their $1 Billion US Embassy Disneyland Resorts and Spas (Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, etc.).

      Why do you think I was ROTFLMAO after watching the movie, Green Zone, 2010, while at Afghanistan, previous deployments to Iraq (I got to see that sh!t firsthand). Later on finding out that the movie was based on observations, and a non fiction book, Imperial Life in the Emerald City, did you read that; how many US Citizens read that. Anyone that did read that book would have demanded the US Department of State to be investigated and prosecutions, so since that did not happen (investigations, convictions), that indicates the lazy US Citizens did not read that non fiction book. Results matter not Empty Words.

      Oh, yes, errata to the movie, Green Zone, we would not be killing off potential candidates (US Army Rangers with Operational Experience) for the US Military Asymmetric Warfare (aka Special Warfare) Forces; that would be the mission if ordered by the US Embassy Political Appointees of the hired by the US Embassy Foreign Security Contractors (Diplomatic Immunity); as the US Military Asymmetric Warfare and US Security Contractors are still held responsible and accountable to the US Laws and the UCMJ since 2006 DOD Policies.

      Fair is Mother Nature handing the Darwin Award to those that deserve it.

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      #1.15 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 7:12 PM EDT

      @ David;

      Do you really want to bet your life on that

      I do not have to, look at the outlet you are on now,lol, hundreds and thousands are commenting on world events daily. Information on the latest happenings in Afghanistan at our fingertips, in seconds. News of something that happens in Kabul could reach people in outer parts of Afghanistan days after it happens, we hear it 10 minutes after it happened litterally.ie You can be lazy and informed today sir.lol So FAIL! Actually with all of our media outlets,and I phones,androids,I pads,we are more informed now on world events than ever.So I believe my life is safe for now.lol

      I was being more than generous and fair. You want me to post all the other Newsvine Posts of other Newsvine Posters.

      Not everyone is the ME, Afghanistan expert that you are sir. I have followed the ME since I was thirteen daily, When I see peoples ignorance of something on it I surely do not attack them and insult them as you do, I simply give them the knowledge I have on it, or POLITELY correct them, or debate. Your tactics are very condescinding, and insultive. People are trying to become informed,and share their opinion. You violate the COH at every turn, I am almost positive you are using a sock account.

      If digresssion were royalty you sir would be king.

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      #1.16 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 8:43 PM EDT

      Coral Taxi,

      Nope, just like you do not know about certain things that are currently happening there (Afghanistan). That Iranian Fars, Arabic Al Jazeera, the local Afghan radio (annoying) is broadcasting.

      Nice failed attempt.

      And like I also posted Coral Taxi equals Chickenhawk, willing to send others to fix his political screwups, and refuses to the "Boots on the Ground".

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      #1.17 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 10:33 PM EDT

      correction to post#1.17:

      And like I also posted Coral Taxi equals Chickenhawk, willing to send others to fix his political screwups, and refuses to listen to the experienced "Boots on the Ground".

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      #1.18 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 10:39 PM EDT

      Coral Taxi - I surely do not attack them and insult them as you do

      Coral Taxi - If digresssion were royalty you sir would be king.

      Hypocrite or liar in writing of the same post#1.16.

      Coral Taxi - I have followed the ME since I was thirteen daily,

      So now you are still thirteen, since you do not based on you posts know anything from real world experience (naivety). (and do not be so naive like one of the other Newsvine posters that posted his actual birthdate xx/xx/76 (I was going to say to that poster, "gee, I am old enough to be your daddy, ask your mama, Who's your daddy".).

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      #1.19 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 11:10 PM EDT

      Hypocrite or liar in writing of the same post#1.16.

      If digresssion were royalty you sir would be king.

      Saying that you are digressing is far from an insult,it is the truth, not derrogatory, as your post are insulting and prejudice and biased. This is the best you can do?lol Giving an anology of the degree of it is not an insult either.People use it on themselves when they stray from a point " but I digress" are they insulting themselves.lol

      And like I also posted Coral Taxi equals Chickenhawk, willing to send others to fix his political screwups, and refuses to the "Boots on the Ground".

      ?? Political screw ups? What are you talking about? My latest post with "boots on the ground" in it is in reference to Syria not Afghanistan,you see you are just digressing again, because you have no good answer to what I have shown you. It is truth.

      So now you are still thirteen, since you do not based on you posts know anything from real world experience (naivety). (and do not be so naive like one of the other Newsvine posters that posted his actual birthdate xx/xx/76 (I was going to say to that poster, "gee, I am old enough to be your daddy, ask your mama, Who's your daddy".).

      You see more digression, my statement on your digression stands as truth not insult. . You have no idea what I base my posts on, but you can bet I back them up with facts and always speak the truth. Your retort here shows your true colors sir.This is a common tactic by those who are losing an argument, it is almost textbook.

      Nope, just like you do not know about certain things that are currently happening there (Afghanistan). That Iranian Fars, Arabic Al Jazeera, the local Afghan radio (annoying) is broadcasting

      You see the point was that you said The average American is "lazy and uninformed",and this is what the Afghans think. I gave you prime examples of how this is not true, and how we are more informed now more than ever. You come back with Afghans have radios? The point was who was better informed not just informed, I think we win that battle sir.

      Iranian Fars, Arabic Al Jazeera, the local Afghan radio

      WWBIASED; Biased news all day all night!! lol

      Give it up David I have proven a few of your views as wrong, just accept it.

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      #1.20 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 7:04 AM EDT
      Reply

      The headlines for all these suicide bombers should read... Cowardly Moslems kill more of their own again!!!

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      Reply#2 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 4:59 AM EDT

      They are a cowardly bunch of people who have no morals and NO GOD. This country needs to be flushed for the third world toilet it is.

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      #2.1 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 10:39 AM EDT

      Cowardly Muslims?? Let me guess, the REAL heroes are the anonimous drone pilots that kill women and children from half way around the world for God and Country, and then go home to jerk off over Steven Segall movies. Those are the REAL heroes. You betcha. Bunch of Neanderthals, probably couldn't find Afghanistan on the map.

        #2.2 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 5:49 PM EDT

        Texas grace - They are a cowardly bunch of people who have no morals and NO GOD. This country needs to be flushed for the third world toilet it is.

        After living withthe Afghans during years of consecutive tours and gaining their trust, so they know you will not get too pissed off and shoot them, they say the same things about "Oooo sa" (USA), as on a daily basis they live their "morals" (no matter how warped they are) as required by Islamic Laws and worship their God (banging their heads on prayer mats) five times a day, show up at their Mosques as required, Celebrate the defeats of the Christians and Jews during Ramadan (but you knew that didn't you, don't feel bad, most Islamic Believers don't know that either especially at the Politically Correct Islam of the US. Like the 20thDay of Ramadan celebrating the defeat of the original Christians and Jew inhabitants of Mecca).

        Abdel-Jalil they said chose to start the attack on Tripoli on the 20th day of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which fell on Saturday. The date marks the ancient Islamic Battle of Badr, when Muslims first fought for the holy city of Mecca in A.D. 624.

        Gadhafi says he'll stay in Tripoli 'until the end' (President Obama's elimination President Gaddaffithe Collaborator to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers; and former US and European Ally). Loss of US European Allies Strategic Oil to the Ally of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, the Chinese, as negotiated by Islamic Nation Qatar. US Ally Saudi Arabian Oil becomes Strategic to US and US European Allies, the Fundamentalist Islamic ShiaRepublic of Iran knows this and threatens to cut the US Ally Saudi Arabian Oil off at the Strait of Hormuz (except they learned from the Iran Iraq Wars, not to repeat their mistakes, that the US and US Allies forgot).

        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44218013/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/?gt1=43001

        They are also very aware that the US is going to become a FourthWorld Nation due to President Obama losing all the World's Resources and Strategic Locations required to sustain the current US High Tech Standard of Living and Future Alternative Energy to the Chinese, Russian Federation, Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran.

        By the way since you do NOT know. US Ally Afghanistan was built up to a 20th Century Nation from the 1950s till 1979 (USSR 40thArmy Occupation). After the US abandoned US Ally Afghanistan after Operation Cyclone the 1990s Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban with the Full Support of USSR Backed Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran massacred the 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeen(that is why when you hear empty claims of Afghans and Pakistanis saying they participated in Operation Cyclone for sympathy (money, assistance), sorry, same name wrong person). After wiping out the 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeenthe Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban started massacring all suspected Collaborators to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers. After that the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban destroyed all the "Modern", "Western", "Non Islamic" of Afghanistan; the lights at Afghanistan literally going out after they destroyed the Electric Power Stations, they then got thousands of Afghans at gun point and had them attempt to fill in all the irrigation canals (and failed). Before you say they (the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban) can not be that stup!d, go research what Fundamentalist Islamic Al Sheebah at Somalia are doing to use Starvation as a weapon by destroying all the Modern Western Non Islamic Farming Techniques that were built up during UN Mission Somalia I and UN Mission Somalia II to end the Somalis cycles of droughts and starvation; same as the Fundamentalist Islamic Arabic Omani Muslims at the Sudan (Darfur); the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group aka the Libyan Rebels as the "new Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Government" of Libya; PLO, later HamasWarlords destroying all the Infrastructure at Palestine built by the Jews, use of US Aid to get more Palestinians to join Hamas or starve and face daily beatings; being that this is typical and not unusual there are many more examples, as the use of Starvation as an Islamic Weapon.

        As with most of the US Citizens you better learn to live like a Fourth World Somalis, if you survive the first few minutes (knowing things that is being more than generous as most US Citizens will not survive the first few seconds). Like as depicted in the NBC TV Series, Revolution, September 17, 2012.

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        #2.3 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 6:23 PM EDT

        @ david;

        they say the same things about "Oooo sa" (USA), as on a daily basis

        Oh really? Which is exactly why they are going to fall to the Taliban once again because they,the average Afghanistan does not support or help us anymore. They smile in your face, and burn your effigy when you are not around. Talking down those that are shedding blood for your right to vote and clearing a path to your independence will only result in their oppression again, so enjoy no music,enjoy no womens rights, enjoy having to wear a beard the rest of your lives. You had your chance to stand up, and wasted it.

        The USA will stay strong and mighty, you are a naysayer, and a jaded person. Please shorten your diatribes.

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        #2.4 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 6:40 PM EDT

        Coral Taxi - Which is exactly why they are going to fall to the Taliban once again because they,the average Afghanistan does not support or help us anymore.

        Nope. Your academic idealist non factual opinion is not the reason. Having survived Operation Cyclone and watched what happened after the US abandoned US Ally 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeen and the Pro US Afghan, that is the real reason why.

        The US once again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAp9sFVdERQ

        Coral Taxi - They smile in your face, and burn your effigy when you are not around.

        And you know that for a Fact, how. That's right you sniff someone else's........... When have you live with the Afghans. I also previously told you based on your other Newsvine Posts you know NOTHING about Asymmetric Warfare (Insurgency) and you are proving your own ignorance.

        Coral Taxi - You had your chance to stand up, and wasted it.

        Wrong I survived something that you will NEVER even attempt to do as another Chickenhawk sending our arses in to fix your dumb arse Political mistakes. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU WERE DEPLOYED TO AFGHANISTAN (and do not lie, I can find out).

        Like I stated before you academic idealist non factual opinionated politically motivated cannot Handle the Truth from Firsthand Experience (Survivors).

        The ONLY waste of oxygen is coming from you and your hot air adding to Global Warming.

        Coral Taxi - Please shorten your diatribes.

        Like I posted before TOO LAZY. TOO LAZY to read all the Facts as not the cut and dried simplistic baloney of yours.

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        #2.5 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 7:37 PM EDT

        @david;

        Nope. Your academic idealist non factual opinion is not the reason. Having survived Operation Cyclone and watched what happened after the US abandoned US Ally 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeen and the Pro US Afghan, that is the real reason why.

        Once again you digress into the past. Come to the here and now sir. I will give it 2 yrs after we leave before the Taliban take over. The outlands of Afghanistan are governed by sharia,administered by the Taliban(marriages,land disputes) and is accepted because,number one,it is all they have out there,number two. They do not trust the government and I do not blame them. So sharia, and the Taliban rules are being implemented as we speak, do not tell me they will not take back over,now you are the ignorant one.

        The people had their chance to topple the Taliban, they have chosen to reverse the changes we have brought, schools, elections, women having more rights,women going to school, rule of law. So they will suffer the consequences, the Taliban are brutal.

        I also previously told you based on your other Newsvine Posts you know NOTHING about Asymmetric Warfare (Insurgency) and you are proving your own ignorance.

        I have thousands of posts and have spoken on this. Let me share a point to you I made when we had many battles going on and innocents were getting hurt, when we were chasing the Taliban back out into the badlands.

        I used the saying we are fighting old school, hand to hand, gun to gun in your face fighting. The reason we were fighting old school was to lessen the collateral damage that our massive weapons could create. We were fighting just like world war 1 and 2. We were clearing areas out with men and women not our insurmounatble firepower, that did not work, to many hurt, and the Taliban just came right back.

        We were fighting with one hand tied behind our back, we came down to their level and kicked their arses. Although this is an asymetrical war in definition, we still leveled the playing field, so innocents were not getting hurt, and it worked. So do not sit here and tell me I am ignorant about something when I have wrote on it many times, you see now you turn out to be the ignorant one once again.

        You need to go at least 2 yrs back when fighting was heavy in Afghanistan, and there was public backlash at the innocents dying.Dig deeper sir. This was back when I had faith in the people of Afghanistan to come through, but they have done a 180 since then so their future is more bleak now, they have created their destiny not us.

          #2.6 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 9:16 PM EDT

          Coral Taxi - The outlands of Afghanistan are governed by sharia,administered by the Taliban(marriages,land disputes) and is accepted because,number one,it is all they have out there,number two.

          Like I Posted before, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU LIVED WITH THE AFGHANS.

          Coral Taxi - but, but, but, my smart phoney said.

          Based on WHAT, a non participant News Reporter hiding in his central airconditioned secure hotel room with swimming pool; paying other non participants for sensational stories so that they can get a Pultizer Prize. You want me to name the hotels.

          Really, laughing my arse off at you; just like the REMUs, we walk into the Dining Facility and everyone stares at us, and the whole place goes silent; because their commanding officers told them never talk to us. We have heard their bullsh!t stories claiming to have done what we actually did (same sh!t that is fed to the News Media, minus all the important "boring" facts or the actual horror).

          Coral Taxi - I have thousands of posts and have spoken on this

          And what is your actual Asymmetric Warfare Training to make you barely survive; as well as your Asymmetric Warfare Operational Experience to prove that you can implement what you were trained to do.

          Don't tell me you read it somewhere, that is like a virgin writing about sexual intercourse with the opposite sex and what sex feels like.

          ****************************PATHETIC Coral Taxi **************************

          • 1 vote
          #2.7 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 11:00 PM EDT

          @ David;

          I drive my points home and you come back with this? You have not denied anything I said in my post, just that I didnt live there and how do I know?lol

          How about a rational counterpoint, you call me pathetic? You are obviously angered because you can not back yourself up.

          Oh and this post is way more digression, you are the king sir.lol

          • 2 votes
          #2.8 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 7:13 AM EDT

          Coral Taxi and David 475776 should get a room.

            #2.9 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:52 PM EDT

            david - I do not think that you have really lived over there. So you are trying to tell us that you are some kind of military? Doubtful. Really doubtful.

              #2.10 - Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:08 AM EDT
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              I'm convinced that somewhere the Muslims have a factory that mass produces human like robots. I can no longer believe there are that many stupid people out there willing to murder and take their own lives for an alleged religion.

              • 10 votes
              Reply#3 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 5:46 AM EDT

              Im waiting for some jackass troll to start with the "christains have killed more people in the name of God than any other religion". What you folks fail to realize is that it is 2012 not 1012. Lets keep up with the times and change as things change around us. On the other hand, it is clear that these people aren't going to change, it is only getting worst. Wheres all the rogue soldiers when you need them. I'm sure they are locked and loaded.

              • 8 votes
              #3.1 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 8:17 AM EDT

              Don't hold your breath, cause you know it's coming!

              • 4 votes
              #3.2 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 10:16 AM EDT

              njmick - I'm convinced that somewhere the Muslims have a factory that mass produces human like robots.

              See definition of Obamazombies. additional research ACORN, DNC Front Companies (Corporate Financing), Propaganda, Mob and Herd Mentality, President Obama's January 21, 2009 Patriot Acts as Monitoring and Censorship of All US Communications (Historical Propaganda, Preemptive Detentions of US Citizens President Obama's Patriot Acts, Indefinite Detentions of US Citizens President Obama's 2012 NDAA), Closed Society (requirements), current expansion of Guantanamo (RT, Russian Television, not censored US News), Summary Executions of US Military, Military Tribunals (no legal representation), "Anyone returning from the Wars is a Potential Homegrown Domestic Terrorist" (Guilty until proven innocent), Expanded Presidential Powers (circumvents the US Congress "Will of the People"), "Anyone Stating a Radical Change to (US) Government is a Homegrown Domestic Terrorist" (President Obama's Patriot Acts), etc.. So at most Nations their Citizens looking at the Fishbowl (US) from the Outside say, "What's the difference".

              njmick - I can no longer believe there are that many stupid people out there willing to murder and take their own lives for an alleged religion.

              That is where most US Citizens, US Allies Citizens fail. For an Islamic Believer subjugated to Islam (defintion of term Muslim), Islam is All; All Politics, All Religion, All Culture, All History, All Ways of Life (and Death), All Laws, etc.. This is done to them since birth until death; especially thru Education, as the Mandatory Islamic School Curicuulum of Hitler's Mein Kampf taught as a Success Story sabotaged by the Jews, and the Blame the Jews for Everything, "Protocols of the Wise Elders of Zion" as started by Fundamentalist Islamic Amin Al Husseini to keep the hatred of the Jews going on forever in accordance with the Islamic World's 1933 Forever Alliance with Chancellor Hitler; the later Pan Arabic Plan (to stop the Jews from going to the Islamic World, by removing the original Palestinian Christians and Jews by armed force and replacing them with the Arab undersirables (prisoners, criminals) from Jordan and Egypt, as most Jordanians and Egyptians did not want to go to Palestine and give up everything (and the Brits let them do that, Brits did not like the Jews either just like Henry Ford hated the Jews); Fundamentalist Islamic Arabic League of Nations as co founded by Amin Al Husseini, original Charter the extermination of the Jews (Amin Al Husseini's demands they attack the Jews); so (Historically Documented) they demand UN and US Sanctions and Embargoes against weapons to Israel, while spending their own Wealth on buying Modern USSR Weapons instead of on their own people and Nation's Infrastructure to "push the Jews back into the Sea". The Fundamentalist Islamic Arabic League of Nations keep losing against Israel, losing in combat Gaza, Palestine, West Bank, Golan Heights, part of Jordan, part of Egypt, etc.. To stop the continous attacks by the Islamic World, the Jews (believed to have been assisted by Jews that worked on the US Nuclear Program(s) and previous Hitler German Nuclear Program(s)) created Nuclear Weapons, the Islamic World does not believe the effects of a possible use of a nuclear weapon, they are invited and shown a Nuclear Test, the Fundamentalist Islamic Arabic League of Nations stop attacking the Jews. As sore losers they start asking for then demanding all the land they lost in War(s) returned back to them and thru OPEC state they will cut off their Oil to the US (US Has already depleted Oil during the 1900s "Black Gold Oil Rushes" and only has high sulfur content oil as used during the 1970s "Oil Crisis" creating Acid Rain (Sulfuric Acid), current reason why the US Oil Corporations are pushing "Natural Gas" and Fracking to squeeze the depleted Oil Wells; note: research the effects of Methane aka Natural Gas on the Environment (again the US Public buys off on their Billions USDs Advertising Propaganda, instead of doing the research).

              By the way from Firsthand Experience, do you know the difference between a Shia and a Sunnis (other Islamic Believers fit into those two main categories):

              Simple the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia (Shia Laws, aka Sharia Laws) shoots the Sunnis (moderate, liberal) in the face while the Sunnis is attempting negotiations ("empty words") as "the dead do not complain". That is why there are more Fundamentalist Islamic Believers (Shia) and not so many Moderate Liberal (Sunni) Islamic Believers. So even the idea of "Radical", "Extremist" Islam as the Minority, is NOT Radical and is the norm (Majority) for the 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers Worldwide. The minority of 1.8 Million Islamic Believers living at the US do NOT make the Rules for the Majority of 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers, nor are they Representative of the Majority; while in accordance with the current Islamic Laws they MUST provide Support and Funding to the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists thru Mandatory Islamic Tithes (Trillions USDs per year).

              So sure keep saying your limited in scope and concept Western Term "Religion" pertaining to the Islamic Belief. Any of you that do not believe what I am saying, fine then put your life on the line, go to an Islamic Nation's College and learn Islam (usually only really taught in Arabic, so you will have to learn Arabic first. Do not tell me you learned in American English or at the US taught by an Ex Pat Islamic Believer from another Nation, I WILL LAUGH IN YOUR FACE, they too have their own version at the US of Censored "Politically Correct" nonsense (and if they do not trust you, tough luck, you will get Taqiya and not Truth)).

              • 3 votes
              #3.3 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 4:14 PM EDT

              Sir I would truly try decaf if I were you. Your emotions are overcoming your ability to reason.

              • 1 vote
              #3.4 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 9:33 PM EDT

              Coral Taxi - Sir I would truly try decaf if I were you. Your emotions are overcoming your ability to reason.

              Coral Taxi post#1.16.- I surely do not attack them and insult them as you do

              Hypocrite or liar in writing.

              You want me to give you a shovel to bury yourself Coral Taxi.

              • 1 vote
              #3.5 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 11:21 PM EDT
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              time for US to leave Afghanistan and take their hatred for America out of the rationale for this despicable tactic of terror. They can stand on their own irrationality for such sensless killing,

              • 5 votes
              Reply#4 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 6:32 AM EDT

              They need a "suicide bomber testing facility". Test out in an open field to see if it really works!

              Where is Karzai in denouncing this as it is his people being killed?

              • 10 votes
              Reply#5 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 6:33 AM EDT

              But wouldn't you have to die to pass the "Suicide Bomber test"?

              And they complain about us killing civilians, when they are ones doing most of it. If they aren't doing Suicide bombings then they are BRAVELY hiding out in villages with innocent women and children so when our military shows up the women and children get killed in the crossfire.

              • 2 votes
              #5.1 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 4:13 PM EDT

              RR-6705016 - Where is Karzai in denouncing this as it is his people being killed?

              What next you going to start saying "Karzai Corrupt". I previously mentioned how President Obama's Political Appointees Holbrooke and Eikenberry used that "Karzai Corrupt" to attempt to deflect the blame for them spending Billions USDs of US Taxpayer money and nothing was being done nor built at Afghanistan.

              It was President Karzai that promised that these Billions USDs would be used to help the Afghans during his Elections, and when this did not happen the Afghans got angry at him and not those Responsible and Accountable (their access to the Billions USDs that the US Military and President Karzai do NOT have access to).

              President Obama asks for General McKiernan's Letter of Resignation for asking for more US Military to accomplish his "McKiernan Plan to Win Afghanistan", President Obama takes the McKiernan War Plan and calls it the Obama War Plan to Win Afghanistan without realizing without General McKiernan's Commander's Intent, the McKiernan War Plan is useless.

              So President Obama's Appointed and confirmed by US Congress Registered Democrat General McChrystal was asked by President Karzai to Investigate President Obama's Political Appointees Holbrooke and Eikenberry. (not too smart) General McChrystal as a courtesy informs President Obama's Political Appointees Holbrooke and Eikenberry that he is Investigating them; they immediately tell the International News Media "Karzai Corrupt" then start doing actions against General McChrystal to get him fired or relieved of Command to stop his Investigations of them; they succeed. President Obama makes a deal with General McChrystal to obtain General McChrystal's Letter of Resignation so that everything about "This Administration Does Not Know What is Doing" will not be revealed in a Public US Congressional Hearing Required to Relieve General McChrystal of Command. General McChrystal gets to Retire as a Four Star General instead of a Three Star General (no matter how much I hated General McChrystal, just within the bounds of the UCMJ pushing his Democratic Party, at least he listened to us, by training and experience was US Military Asymmetric Warfare (knew what he was doing Militarily, Afghanistan being an Asymmetric War, not Conventional War), and US Army Special Forces as part of the 3% of the US Military (even less than 3% as an Officer and even less as a General Officer).

              By screaming to the International News Media "Karzai Corrupt" President Obama's Political Appointees Holbrooke and Eikenberry gave the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban, Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada, Fundamentalist Islamic Hamas Foreign Fighters, and their supporter the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran the Strategic Asymmetric Warfare Goal of Undermining a US Ally's Established Government. For me having been involved with US Military Asymmetric Warfare since the 1980s this was an aw f**k moment, as this destroyed our decades of work in minutes. This one Strategic Asymmetric Warfare Goal leads to other Strategic Asymmetric Warfare Goals of: "Defeating the Enemy's Will to Continue ("maintain") the Fight (War)", Redacted, "Gain Local Citizens Support (Recruits and Safe Havens)", "Gain National Support (Funding)", "Gain International Support (Recruits, Safe Havens, Funding, Politics)", Redacted, "Perceived Injustices (to start a Civil War to Overthrow a US Ally's Established Government)", etc..

              Registered Republican General Petraeus is nominated by President Obama to replace General McChrystal. US Congress confirms the nomination. After arriving at Afghanistan President Karzai requests that General Petraeus continue General McChrystal's Investigations (almost completed) of President Obama's Political Appointees Holbrooke and Eikenberry spending of Billions USDs. General Petraeus gives his Investigations to President Karzai without informing President Obama and SOS Clinton (possibly complacent).

              After reading General Petraeus's Investigation, President Karzai tells President Obama's Political Appointees Holbrookeand Eikenberry, "Account for every dime or get out of my Country" (there is more that would be censored). President Obama's Political Appointee Holbrooke goes back to the $1 Billion US Embassy at Pakistan (also takes $1 Billion per year to operate) and "strains his heart" and dies on the operating table. President Obama's Political Appointee Eikenberry is asked to tender his Letter of Resignation. President Obama makes a deal with General Petraeus to keep quiet about this and the SR Mission for General Petraeus (Republican) to become the Director of his Presidential Executive Intelligence Agency, the CIA, instead of being thrown out of his Administration. Director of the CIA Leon Penetta is given a deal by President Obama to keep quiet about the SR Mission, Rescue of Captain Philips, etc. to become his Secretary of Defense. Secretary of Defense Gates regardless of numerous requests by President Obama to remain as his Secretary of Defense, after his last visit to Afghanistan and his speech to the US Military about the upcoming President Obama as Commander In Chief Ordered Reduction In Forces of the US Military and Defense Budget Cuts, Secretary of Defense Gates announced that he is going to Tender his Letter of Resignation in protest (and does) and thanks his Men and Women.

              • 1 vote
              #5.2 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 5:18 PM EDT
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              Did someone in our Government forget to give Karzai his monthly check?

              • 5 votes
              Reply#6 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 7:16 AM EDT

              NOsireeBillyBobbyThornton assues us that Uncle SAMMY & Co, makes doggone shore that these MoozHeLLimm BUMZ get PAID on TIME, >>> frum Meximerican, US, GOV'T >>> RIGHT ON TIME EACH & EVERY MONTH for the last 30-40 years, which amounts to a few TRILLION total. SO it's a fact. ALL US Presidente's are drug dealers, ... Past, Present & FUTURE.

                #6.1 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 10:28 AM EDT

                Riley-1512598 - Did someone in our Government forget to give Karzai his monthly check?

                Read and comprehend post #5.2.

                • 1 vote
                #6.2 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 6:38 PM EDT
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                Another day, another radical Islamic terrorist attack and another effort by NBC to do public relations for the perpetrators. NBC humanizes and almost sympathizes with the terrorists and is completely unsympathetic with the victims almost to the point of blaming them for these ongoing crimes against humanity. If they gave a Joseph Goebbels prize for propaganda for bloodthirsty, genocidal war criminals, NBC would be neck and neck with al-Jazeera.

                • 3 votes
                Reply#7 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 7:23 AM EDT

                ...and our President gives the Muslem Brotherhood $1.5 Billion per year for MORE weapons. Now their is Egypt AND Iran,....Egypt controls the suez canal where the majority of the FREE world's oil flows through, soon they (Egypt and Iran) will absorb Lybia and Ethiopia into their muslem fold. Israel doesn't stand a chance,....Egypt has ALREADY broken the peace accord Sadadt made with Israel. You Americans need to wake your blind butts up. The middle east is about to explode and this dufuss Muslem President we have hasn't a clue (along with his IGNORANT glory hog Secretary of State) as to what is going on in this world.

                • 3 votes
                Reply#8 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 7:56 AM EDT

                Actually, no....oil hasn't flowed through the Suez canal since 1967 when it was shut down by the Six Day War. Oil companies quickly rerouted their tankers, and found it much more efficient to build ever-larger vessels to carry more oil...vessels so large that they won't fit through any canal, anywhere. They dwarf nuclear aircraft carriers, which most people think of as large vessels.

                And the deployment of armor to Sinai was done with the approval of Israel, for suppression of radical elements that the Egyptia government dislikes as much as the Israelis do. Israel made a token public protest about the presence of 40 (that's four-zero; one battalion) of tanks a few miles too close to be border during the sweep of Sinai. Forty Egyptian tanks don't bother the IDF long enough to delay their getting a second cup of coffee in the morning. And in any case, those tanks are now back at their Canal Zone base. While technically a violation of treaty, it stretches credulity to call it that when both nations involved agreed to the mission and deployment.

                  #8.1 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 9:24 AM EDT

                  freddy4life,

                  GB-62811 is correct about the Oil Supertankers;

                  however, there are still the "smaller" oil tankers aka "tramp tankers", merchant ships, etc. that use the Strategic Suez Canal (including many USN Ships, especially the mandatory USN Aircraft Carrier Support Ships).

                  (shrugs shoulders) It is too late; before we returned to CONUS weeks ago, the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran was mobilizing their 21st Century Long Range Land Based Hypersonic and Supersonic Anti Ship Missile Batteries, Integrated Air Defense ABM Systems, the Chinese and Russian Military Units that operate, maintain them, train the Iranian Military, have also mobilized; their other Long Range Land Based Anti Ship Missile Batteries and Integrate Air Defense ABM Systems (the ones that detected the US RQ-170 Stealth "Drone") are still at Iran (belief Israel or US or both will attack) as well as cut off US Ally Saudi Arabia at the Strait of Hormuz (like Iran Iraq War minus Iran's mistakes). As part of the deal with the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran and the Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood before the "Egyptian Revolution"; it is believed that the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, plus the Chinese and Russian Military Units are heading to Egypt to secure the Suez Canal, the key indicator will be if transportation vessels head towards Iran.

                  If the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran does this, Strait of Hormuz and the Suez Canal they will have two shots at the USN 5th Fleet using their Long Range Land Based Hypersonic and Supersonic Anti Ship Missile Batteries (designed to sink USN Aircraft Carriers) to sink the USN Ships of the Aircraft Carrier Strike Group(s) as well as using their current Stealth Boats (submarines) equipped with Supercavitating Torpedoes and deployable underwater mines. If the USN attempts to run these blockades the Iranians learned from their mistakes during the Iran Iraq Wars, and have the 21st Century self rising rocket assisted underwater mines, and remote controlled mines as the best that Iranian Oil and Iraqis Oil can buy.

                  And why is this happening now; President Obama's March 2009 Iran Policy of we will negotiate before any US Military Actions. And the response to President Obama by the Ayatollahs of Iran that actually control everything at Iran, "No Empty Words" (negotiations).

                  Most academic idealistic no real world experience of the US and US Allies don't realize that Historically the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia believe in "Shoot First as the dead do not complain", that is why the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia are the majority and the idealistic academic Sunnis are the minority, as the Islamic Sunnis (Islamic Heretics according to the Fundamentalist Shia) were shot in the face while attempting negotiations. That reality if from Firsthand Experience as a UN Observer, the other thing they say is, "You made me kill them (innocent men, women, children) because you are here".

                  • 1 vote
                  #8.2 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 12:20 AM EDT
                  Reply

                  Why is this even NEWS anymore?

                    Reply#9 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 8:05 AM EDT
                    fawnteeeDeleted

                    It's sad, so sad to see how freedom of expression, freedom of the press is no more. Our fourth power has become more a government agency, a slogan peddling machine than a venue to report the news, w/o exaggerations, political agendas, nor bottom lines. The last time our fourth power exercized its poweras it was meant to be was during the Viet Nam war, now the whole media, including the leader the NYT, has decided to go AWOL like the retard pervert of Texas.

                    I've noticed the "patriotic" slant on all the reporting, although and to be fair, we have become the worse of the worst. Why, when we killed a million plus civilians for oil and under false pretenses, mostly women and children, our embedded media never mentions the killings by our "heroes" of children, but when supposedly real "terrorists" put bombs to force the invaders to leave, this purchased, spineless media media always mentions the killed children. It's like when we do it and better or worse than anybody else, including Saddam, Assad, it's not a crime, but when others do it defedning their natural reosurces, their lands they are terrorists?

                    Heck, I even remember when showing photographs from dead G.I.s coming home to rest was also taboo and cost more than one person his/her job. And what is the first thing our spineless media shows other regimes killings? Yeah, the children our media, our government nobody in this "Christian and democratic" nation gives a rat's ass. It's native American genocide one more time: The only good Muslim, is a dead Muslim, when and if you read the history, Muslims have treated Christians and Jews better than any other invader in the world.

                    It's shameful to see in a supposedly "Christian and democratic" nation so much propaganda, so much servilism. It's like morally we have gone back to the future of plantation mentality. So much preaching, so much hypocrisy that now we have become them, the hated, despised old USSR and yet even today when they have become better than us in "democracy" we still have the gall of criticizing them for this, for that, ignoring that any thing and every thing the Russians do, we are much worse. O tempora, o mores!

                      Reply#11 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 8:39 AM EDT

                      You are absolutely WRONG! We are a melting pot of every nationality on this earth! We are also not a democracy, but a REPUBLIC! You need to go back to school, you dummy down dweeb! Im so tired of idiots trying to display themselves as literate liberals on these sites. Oh, by the way, freedom of speech does come with responsibility. Its that responsibility most people tend to forget. So, take time before you leave a post, and be responsible of what you leave behind. And, get an education!!!

                      • 1 vote
                      #11.1 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 2:37 PM EDT

                      disabled veteran.,

                      Thank you very very much disabled veteran.

                      I do believe it is about time to reinstitute the witnessed Pledge Of Allegiance to the Republic of America.

                      An Oath of Loyalty to the Republic of America also known as the Pledge of Allegiance.

                      Legal Immigrants do that to become US Citizens, US Citizens must do the same (Oath of Loyalty).

                      • 1 vote
                      #11.2 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 8:31 PM EDT
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                      Can't we just get out of there and kill terrorists by remote controlled drones?

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#12 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 9:09 AM EDT

                      The only ones I feel sorry for in an incident like this , except for the families of our soldiers who have died, are the innocent children caught up in this mess.

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#13 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 9:14 AM EDT

                      How differently this is reported - the NATO facility is adjacent to US and Italian Embassies and the children (most of the victims) were there peddling to personnel at the gates their various merchandise. Then on the same street a motorcycle suicide bomber has clear access to all personnel entering/exiting. There seems to be a total denial/illusion of facts on the ground- safeguarding/securing foreign personnel and trading with children peddlers with no regard to their safety either. After all the suicide bombers is it too much to ask the security people to put up barricades to stop thru-traffic? Having sentinel? Asking the kid peddlers to set up shop elsewhere?

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#14 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 9:21 AM EDT

                      Pretty dumb statement by this reporter and his editors "The blast was the latest example of how militants are able to strike the heart of the Afghan capital even after more than a decade of fighting Western forces with far superior firepower." I've got news for you don't you think that the Taliban, other small warped group or individual could do the same thing OUTSIDE the gates of the of the White House or any government installation in the USA or for that matter any country. One reason we are much safer from this kind of attack here is our military is doing yeoman's work over there!

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#15 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 9:23 AM EDT

                      "One of our mujahideen targeted an important intelligence office used for recruiting Americans and Afghans for spying," Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told Reuters.

                      Makes you wonder when the radical right-wing religious zealots here in the USA, will start using suicide bombers at abortion clinics and other places they oppose? How intelligent is a suicide bomber to be so taken up with a religion as to kill themselves so they can kill others indiscriminately?

                        Reply#16 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 9:35 AM EDT

                        It's promising to see an Afghan man crying over something other than the precious Koran for once. There may be hope after all. He looks fairly civilized, no rat nest hanging off his face, nice haircut, clean pants.

                          Reply#17 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 9:40 AM EDT

                          And we have killed and injured how many of our young men and women for this 12th century hell hole? We cannot fight this kind of enemy just like we could not in Viet Nam, Korea, etc. When people are willing to commit suicide for their cause you cannot win against that kind of mindset with out wiping out every man women and child. We have not and will not be able to fight that kind of war especially with the wimps we have running the government and military with their hearts and minds approach. Fight to win or get the hell out.

                            Reply#19 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 9:53 AM EDT

                            That's what you get when you try to fight a war in Obama's politically expedient style.

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                            Reply#20 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 10:06 AM EDT

                            HEY! Same Things Happening HERE, with shootings and Suicides! Call Them Crazy? YES! Call Us Crazy? UBETCHA! ITs a CRAZY WORLD!

                              Reply#21 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 10:17 AM EDT

                              Why is the USA retiring from Afganistan, can't win this war?Another Viert Nam.

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                              Reply#22 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 10:24 AM EDT
                              Comment author avatarJawad Yousofvia Facebook

                              Hi tech. weaponry and sophistication are not made for Guerrill war fare. The American armada s made to fight major wars. The second NATO constraint is that the Taliban are not foreigners fighting abroad. They are native to the land not waiting to leave. They are very small targets for the super power. Technology and sophestication of weaponry play major role in any war, but the will to fight is a decisive one.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#23 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 10:25 AM EDT

                              Jawad Yousof,

                              Tell that to Coral Taxi and all the other Newsvine Posters that cannot get their idea of Conventional Warfare out of their no experienced brains.

                              Also the Politically correct term is Asymmetric Warfare; the sheep do not like the implications of those things they themselves would refuse to do in a Guerrilla War, while being like Chickenhawk Coral Taxi sending others to fix their political mistakes.

                              • 1 vote
                              #23.1 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 8:12 PM EDT
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                              "The Taliban took responsibility for the attack, saying they had despatched" Despatched? Don't you mean dispatched? Who writes these articles? If you do not need a degree in journalism to have this job, please notify me as I am unemployed. I can read and write English and could be an editor for the wire service. Please email me as huked on phonex werked fer me. Last year I could not speel coledge gradiate and now I is one.

                                Reply#24 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 10:30 AM EDT

                                Not to mention that Afghanistan has been essentially ungovernable and unconquerable for thousands of years. Alexander the Great tried and failed. Victorian Britain tried and failed. Soviet Russia tried and failed. And so has the United States and NATO. There is no rational reason that we should have expected otherwise, given this history. Of course, we consistently fail to read and understand it.

                                Should we have gone in to clean out the Taliban and al-Qaida? Absolutely. But we went about it the wrong way; tried to remake the place in our image and create a stable governing structure. Can't be done there. The proper strategic approach was to blanket the place with airborne and special forces troops to clean out the terrorist bases and destroy anyone who took up arms against us. Stay six months to do this, then leave with the warning that future terrorism traced to the place would bring the same response. Simpler, more terrifying and ominous, and more effective by far. This cycle might have to be repeated from time to time, but it has the virtue of never presenting a long-term occupying force around which opposition can crystallize. And ordinary Afghans aren't stupid, they would tire of seeing repeated waves of destruction and would eventually root out the cause of their serial miseries: The militants themselves.

                                  Reply#25 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 10:41 AM EDT

                                  @gb

                                  Not to mention that Afghanistan has been essentially ungovernable and unconquerable for thousands of years

                                  We go where we want when we want in Afghanistan. We took the power from the Taliban and have given it back to the Afghans. They have had elections remember? I believe it is time to leave, not because we can not "conquer" or "govern" (we are doing and have done that)but because the people have not given us the full help and support we need and are slipping backwards, this will be to their detrement when the Taliban take back over,and there is no music,no school for women. They have failed themselves,we have not failed them.

                                    #25.1 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 1:18 PM EDT
                                    plorkDeleted

                                    @ Plork

                                    I believe it is time to leave

                                    Did you miss this part of my post sir? wow

                                      #25.3 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 3:07 PM EDT

                                      GB-62811 - Not to mention that Afghanistan has been essentially ungovernable and unconquerable for thousands of years.

                                      See Coral Taxi I TOLD YOU SO, TOO LAZY.

                                      GB-62811,

                                      Do the Research pertaining to 20th Century "Little America" US Ally Afghanistan prior to the USSR 40th Army Occupation.

                                      Coral Taxi - We took the power from the Taliban and have given it back to the Afghans.

                                      Do not say "We", you Coral Taxi being a Chickenhawk were not a participant of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arxKhJIjIiY

                                      And after suviving that going to Northern Iraq to finish eliminating them after the escaped us at Afghanistan as the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban and Al Quada; and became Fundamentalist Islamic Ansar Al Islam, as 2002 Operation Hotel California. And at the last minute before we could completely kill them with extreme prejudice the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran gave them Fundamentalist Islamic Sanctuary. Later on they returned to Afghanistan via Iran as the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban and Al Quada, some moved on to Pakistan as the Pakistanis Taliban, Redacted of Pakistan.

                                      The only "We" is you oinking is we, we, we all day long.

                                      plork - Yeah, as long as we're in an armored convoy and we're willing to accept that an IED might turn us into hamburger at any moment. And as long as we stay within whatever perimeter we happen to be assigned to. And as long as we don't feel like going souvenir shopping by ourselves, especially at night. We're really in control there, huh?

                                      More proof for you Coral Taxi, like I said the average US Citizen does not know sh!t about Afghanistan as an Asymmetric War.

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                                      #25.4 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 8:02 PM EDT
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                                      If, counter to Islamic Law, a suicide bomber kills children are they still considered a Martyr? You can write it off as unintentional, but unless the bomber is blind he or she cannot fail to see the children in the area.

                                      The Japanese Kama-Kazi in WW2 hopped up on Sake' before their final journey, do the Taliban overcharge their "Martyrs" with Opium before the final ride so they have no sense of morality?

                                      As "The Whistler" of movie fame once said: "What is it that separates Image from Mirage"; The Taliban twist the truth and drive these poor souls from the humdrum of daily lives with the Mirage of Martyrdom and eternal glory.

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                                      Reply#26 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 10:50 AM EDT
                                      Comment author avatarPaul Rathwellvia Facebook

                                      Several articles have been written on how much damage our bombers have done to property and innocent lives of citizens. How much the Afghan have suffered because of us, yet little is ever said about how much damage their own people cause. It's always our fault and not theirs. They protest our presence but not what they do to their own citizens. The perfect example is bombing a NATO base and not hurting any soldier yet kill and injure civilians. Let's solve their problem by carpet bombing the entire country so they can have a real reason to complain! Or better yet, bring our boys home and let them fight among themselves killing and injuring each other over scraps from the table. Who knows, maybe after we stop allowing poppy bi-products from entering our country as we watch their economical structure collapse they MAY stop supporting the insurgents and seek peace.

                                        Reply#27 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 11:01 AM EDT
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