Raging Capitalist, Your country started with the words, All men are created equal. Get a clue.

If Israel wants to attack Iran they are free to do so. If they want military hardware we'll sell them some. What we shouldn't do is let them dictate what we do vis-a-vis Iran.

Insane cracker, I am sure you remember that in 1981 the Israelis destroyed the Iraqi nuclear reactor. Ten years later during the Operation Desert Storm that saved a great number of American troops.

If it were not for the foreign aid the take from the tax payers of America that country would not exist, they have no resources, they have no industry, my working 60 hours a week is they thing that keeps Israel afloat.

Actually, in 2010, Israel had one of the strongest economies in the world. They're still in better shape than a lot of the world...their trade and commerce has nothing to do with your 60 hours a week.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/03/04/israel-s-philosopher-of-finance.html

It might be the best thing for Israel to attack Iran. I don't think the U.S. should get involved win, lose, or draw.

bodydouble...you see that weird little underlined text in my post? That's called a "link"...and if you click on it, it takes you to what's called a "web page." It talks about Israel's economy.

Hope that helps. Good luck.

I've heard it said that presidents are always reelected during war time. You don't suppose Obama would be willing to allow things to become so bad between Israel and Iran that Israel would attack Iran and the US would have to get involved just to keep his job do you? Hmmm

The US and Israel have always been allies. You would think Obama could make the effort while the man is in the US.

I say let the tax payers decide, those who want their taxes to go to rebuild America's failing infrastructure click on this post, those who want their taxes to go to Israel so they can pay their people to stay home on unlimited unemployment click on raging idiots post. I am tired of paying taxes so they can be shipped to a country who does nothing but bad mouth America and our president when ever we dont kiss their ass.

The public whining Netanyahu is doing is causing great harm to Israeli diplomacy, and its relationship with the U.S.

Both the Israeli and American defense communities are both firmly against a strike against Iran. Hell, even the Israeli public ain't convinced it's the right way to go.

Bibi is digging himself a big hole. He should step down for the good of the nation.

Does he not remember the difficulties in Lebanon with Hezbollah under Olmert's watch? Does he not remember eliminating the PLO in Lebanon and watching as Hezbollah rose up to take its place?

Idiot politicians like Netanyahu are not grounded in history, and end up repeating the mistakes of the past. Still, he panders to his coalition and clings to power.

He has to realize that Americans are not lapdogs of Israeli policy. When there is stiff resistance he should respect that.

Really, that many people agree with Pornfeds comment....sad

Can you say "October suprise"?

Because Israel sure can...

Raging Capitalist

I just lost my country.

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....Nah, just your mind.

Benjamin Netanyahu, needs to concentrate on his issues at home and stop trying to get the USA involved with his Hawish Stance on Palistine, and the people in Palistine!! If they, Israel, doesn't need to consult with President, Barack H. Obama, about their own Nuclear Weapons, and what they are up to when it comes to killing scientists in other nations in the West and Middle East. We are not going to go rogue for people that claim to be able to defend themselves without the aid of America and the West.

Israel is one of Amercas strongest supporters and I hope they go ahead and take out the Iranian nuclear reactors. All America would have to do afterwards is say we didn't agree with the Israeli strike and that is all folks. Israel doesn't want the US to fight for them. They are plenty capable of defending their country. All Israel wants is US understanding if they have to take action against Iran. I've been to Israel a few years ago and all the Israelis want is peace but if their security is threatened they take care of their business.

The US attacked Iraq and they weren't close to enriching uranium and creating nuclear weapons or even attacking the US. Yet if Iran gets nuclear weapons, not only will Isreal be in danger but so will the entire middle east.

Not very smart to put pressure on an incumbent during an election season. When it's over I am sure he will forget the work u put in to de throne him.

Knuckle head.

I do not see how Obama can win on this issue.

Republican challenger Mitt Romney has accused Obama of throwing Israel "under the bus".

If he does not jump into war with Iran over Israel, he is seen weak and afraid of getting involved. Letting our alliance with Israel suffer will send chills throughout the Nato countries.

If he does jump in, he is seen as another war mongering President dragging the US into yet another middle eastern war that we don't want. And what will Russia and China do?

What would you do if it was your call?

Either way, it's sure to have a direct effect on his re-election.

Man of Steel

If the Israelis really wanted peace They wouldnt be treating the Palestinians Like The Jews were treated in Concentration Camps in 1944 in Nazi Germany. Give them BACK THERE LAND and let them be a sovereign Nation. Is the Capitol of Jerusalem worth a nuclear War?

kolb

Insane cracker, I am sure you remember that in 1981 the Israelis destroyed the Iraqi nuclear reactor. Ten years later during the Operation Desert Storm that saved a great number of American troops.

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Yep, Hussien would have used nukes, so we would have fried his entire country in return what dildo logic!

Jax I followed the link and found no analysis of the Israeli economy, I saw that they get $3 billion a year from us, I saw that the reason things aren't as bad over there as they are here is because they RAISED taxes when the economic downturn hit rather than lowering them as the Republicans want to do here, but the article never gave an in depth detailed description of the Israeli economy other than the fact that they are a welfare state living off the American tax payers.

If you go to HuffPost, the liberals bloggers detest Israel. The democrat convention tried hard to marginalize Israel with their platform changes.

David Gregory said this weekend that every president has promised that Iran will not get nuclear weapons, but Iran continues. I get that the media no longer believes that promise can be kept by any president. It does not appear that Obama intends to stop them with any means possible. Yes, the sanctions have been stepped up, but that just draws out the eventual end game.

If Iran gets nuclear weapons others in the region will want them as well. Let's face it, the world becomes less safe if this promise by our previous and current president is broken.

It always boiled down to the need to use force to stop Iran and maybe even force as this point will not be enough.

I feel for Israel. Their neighborhood is less safe today than a year ago. I guess the Israelis could do as Helen Thomas once suggested and that was to go back to wherever the h....they came from. Liberals agree with her sentiment.

Kornfed

How the Democrats still get the majority of the Jewish vote astonishes me hehe

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Perhaps it may be due to that fact that the Democrats (versus the GOP) defended Jews over many decades of bias and bigotry. Now, are you saying that Jews are more dedicated to the state of Israel than they are to this country? I would hate to think that so, for that would make them traitors.

Ties between the United States and Israel showed new signs of strain on Tuesday, after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu criticized the U.S. for not taking a harder line on Iran.

Here we go, election time. Netanyahu is trying to line up voters for Romney, get his war machine in order.

OBAMA/BIDEN....2012!!!!

Questions periodically arise about whether or not Iranian President Ahmadinejad's statement that he wants to see Israel "wiped off the map" really means, in the original Farsi, that he seeks the elimination of the Jewish state. I republish here, then, a handy list of Ahmadinejad's statements on the subject. Judge for yourself what he hopes to see happen to Israel:

October, 2005: "Our dear Imam said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine... I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world. But we must be aware of tricks."

July, 2006: "Nations in the region will be more furious every day. It won't take long before the wrath of the people turns into a terrible explosion that will wipe the Zionist entity off the map...The basic problem in the Islamic world is the existence of the Zionist regime, and the Islamic world and the region must mobilize to remove this problem. It is a usurper that our enemies made and imposed on the Muslim world, a regime that prevented the progress of the region's nations, a regime that all Muslims must join hands in isolating worldwide."

August, 2006: "Our position on the Middle East is clear. We want the root of tensions to be removed. During these sixty years what was the root of massacres, crimes and conflicts?...The solution is clear and nothing has changed."

October, 2006: "This regime (Israel) will be gone, definitely..."You (the Western powers) should know that any government that stands by the Zionist regime from now on will not see any result but the hatred of the people...The wrath of the region's people is boiling... You should not complain that we did not give a warning. We are saying this explicitly now..."

November, 2006: "The great powers created the Zionist regime to extend their domination in the region. Every day this regime is massacring Palestinians...As this regime goes against the path of life, we will soon see its disappearance and its destruction."

December, 2006: "The Zionist regime is on the slope of disappearance and the freedom movement and the struggles of the Palestinian people have more success every day...It is the religious duty of all Muslims to stand by the Palestines...The continued crimes of the Zionist regime will only accelerate the downfall of this fake regime."

December, 2006: "I want to tell [Western counties] that just as the Soviet Union was wiped out and does not exist anymore, so will the Zionist regime soon be wiped out and humanity will be free."

June, 2007: ''God willing, in the near future we will witness the destruction of the corrupt occupier regime..."

June, 2007: ''In Lebanon, the corrupt, arrogant powers and the Zionist regime did all they could in an unfair 33-day war. But after 60 years [Israel's] greatness fell apart...The countdown to this regime's destruction started through the hands of Hezbollah's children...We will witness the destruction of this regime in the near future thanks to the endeavours of all Palestinian and Lebanese fighters.''

August, 2007: "Our support (for the Palestinian people) is unconditional. As for the Israelis, let them go find somewhere else."

August, 2007: "The Zionist regime is the standard bearer of invasion, occupation and Satan...When the philosophy behind the establishment of a regime is in question, it is not unlikely that it will find itself on a course of decline and dissolution."

October 5, 2007: "Canada and Alaska have vast lands, why don't you relocate them over there and keep helping them over there with (aid of) 30 to 40 billion dollars per year for building a new existence over there?"

November, 2007: "It is impossible that the Zionist regime will survive. Collapse is in the nature of this regime because it has been created on aggression, lying, oppression and crime..."

January, 2008: "I advise you to abandon the filthy Zionist entity which has reached the end of the line... It has lost its reason to be and will sooner or later fall. The ones who still support the criminal Zionists should know that the occupiers' days are numbered."

February, 2008: "World powers have created a black and dirty microbe named the Zionist regime and have unleashed it like a savage animal on the nations of the region."

March, 2008: "Gaza is the beginning, the real issue is elsewhere. They should know that both in the prelude and in the real thing they face a defeat and this time they will be uprooted."

April, 2008: "The time has come to see the weakness and collapse of the Zionist regime and its supporters. They are doing everything in order to save it, but they will not succeed."

May, 2008: "Those who think they can revive the stinking corpse of the usurping and fake Israeli regime by throwing a birthday party are seriously mistaken... Today the reason for the Zionist regime's existence is questioned and this regime is on its way to annihilation...has reached the end like a dead rat after being slapped by the Lebanese."

June, 2008: "(Israel) has reached the end of its function and will soon disappear off the geographical domain."

BodyDouble...are you always this disingenuous?

From that article, when it CLEARLY talked about the economy of Israel:

But I've read that the real reason Israel wasn't affected as badly is that Israeli institutions weren't invested in mortgage-backed securities.

This was an advantage but it wasn't enough. In the beginning of 2009, we were in a big crisis. Government revenues were going down, unemployment was climbing sharply, our exports were collapsing. We suffered different effects, mainly on our exports—but exports are about 50 percent of our economy. When our government was formed, right away we announced a two-year budget and a tax reduction in the long term [preceded by a tax hike]. And you see the recovery.

They had a tax hike and then a tax reduction in the long term...nice way of telling half the story, by the way.

the boys said:

The democrat convention tried hard to marginalize Israel with their platform changes.

Might have something to do with Shel Adelson and the other Israeli Likudists funneling money into Romney's campaign and the RNC.

And then Netanyahu expects to have the President's ear? Not bloody likely. Honestly, what the hell did he expect?

@Kornfed -

Liberalism is a mental illness!

Don't EVEN PRETEND to know what I am...., try reading a bit more outside of both left and right media!

Wil Royson....

That name looks familiar. Did Roy Wilson piss on your cheerios and this is your way to get him back?

I do not see how Obama can win on this issue.

Republican challenger Mitt Romney has accused Obama of throwing Israel "under the bus".

If he does not jump into war with Iran over Israel, he is seen weak and afraid of getting involved. Letting our alliance with Israel suffer will send chills throughout the Nato countries.

If he does jump in, he is seen as another war mongering President dragging the US into yet another middle eastern war that we don't want. And what will Russia and China do?

What would you do if it was your call?

Either way, it's sure to have a direct effect on his re-election.

I know! It's almost as though being the President of the United States requires some really tough decisions!

It's so unfair.

Don't EVEN PRETEND to know what I am...., try reading a bit more outside of both left and right media!

Oh, I'm not pretending!

I am sure that GOD is watching over all and that his eyes are on both the US and Israel. People never say anything about the ultimate decision that our President and their Prime Minister have to make concerning another war. If you bless the Jews you will be blessed. If you curse the Jews you will be cursed. I for one believe without a shadow of a doubt that there are going to be a lot of people world wide when this all goes to a full World War what is going to take place. If we want to still have favor from GOD we better listen to the message about taking care of the Jewish people. If not let the cards fall where they may. I just hope that you are all prepared to meet your maker. (And for some of you the Baker)

Kornfed

IndependentinSD

Why the Jewish people vote democrat is because they are smart people and they know the Repuglicon party is for LOW IQ voters and KKK members

Great explanation! That never dawned on me!

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........that's because you were looking West!

Insane cracker

We used to have the type of society that you want.

It sucked.

We changed it, because it sucked. We have unions because your way sucked. We have a social safety net because your way sucked.

We became a world super power AFTER we changed it.

I hate to say this, but I think Netanyahu is trying to spur one or both of the Candidates running for President of the United States to promise to attack Iran in order to get additional support this election cycle, and I hate to say it because that necessarily means that Netanyahu has no love or concern for the cost of blood and treasure that would be lost by the United States and the American People, and that would make me very sad.

If a promise to attack Iran could win an election, then John McCain would have become POTUS.

Man of Steel

Israel is one of Amercas strongest supporters

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.......Oh really, exactly how? Give me some good, verfiable examples of where andf how they have supported us.

In Nam? Nope, we got help from South Korea, called them the ROKs, and the story was that Charlie and the NVA wouldn't mess with them because they hated the commies so much and would really tear them up in a firefight

C'mon mouth, tell us what Israel has done for US, other than taking our money and screwing up our politics with AIPAC?

Raging Capitalist, Why did the Egyptians tear down our flag etc today? Because some idiot here depicted Muhammad in a disrespectful way. Over there any depiction of the "prophet" is forbidden. It is sure to p!ss them off every time and yet some idiots here still do it. Attacking Iran is not in our interests. They are going to have nukes. Plain and simple. The world is not going to help the US stop them. Russia and China keep selling them the technology. Europe is more broke than we are. It is in Israel's and the Saudis interests to stop them. Personally I don't want the US to go the way of many failed empires. Fighting unnecessary war after war. Like the Russian Czar did. We are not going to Pearl Harbor sites that are located all over Iran, in populated, heavily defended and in almost impregnable underground bunkers. If we do there will be a lot of response attacks and blow-back. One response will certainly be a dirty bomb attack in NYC and Tel Aviv. Conventional munitions will not get the job done and we won't use nukes. Even Romney won't do that. Why are we protecting those oil countries from Iran? The US gets only 12% of our oil from the region (Saudia Arabia). Our military is doing exactly the opposite of what we need. Keeping the price of oil artificially high.

Can we all agree to collapse Black Kettel's post at least!?

Get Real...

Obama's only motive here is to get re-elected.

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..............amazing piece of analysis.....and Romney's motive is?

Let me get this straight.....

The GOP would have us go to war in Syria......

The GOP wanted boots on the ground in Libya....

The GOP did not want to leave Iraq or Afghanistan...

The GOP now wants war with Iran?

The same GOP that scoffed when Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize?

The oil sanctions have only been in effect for two months. The value of the Rial has dropped dramatically in the last month. Iranian oil tankers are full and going nowhere.

The real solution to Iran's nuclear ambitions is regime change from within. If the sanctions don't get the Iranian people upset enough to start protesting against their government, we have the military power to bring Iran to it's knees, though it won't come easy or cheap.

I understand Mr. Netanyahu's concerns, however rather than verbally attacking your allies, he should place faith in America's word that we will act to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. The President doesn't need to sit down with Netanyahu every time the Prime Minister is inclined to point his finger at him and dictate our policy. It is Netenyahu whom is throwing Obama under a bus, and I believe he's doing it now to help Romney's campaign.

Romney's careless oratory in foreign policy has already alerted the Russians and Putin now says because of the rhetoric, Russia was right to view the missile defense system in Europe as a direct threat.

The majority of GOP fans in these forums are two faced. They seem to blame Obama for lacking the will to attack Iran, just when sanctions are beginning to take a big bite out of Iran. They seek to go to war at a time they keep blaming Obama for the nation's debt problem. By the way, the majority of the national debt was incurred under GOP presidential terms.

give the sanctions a chance, they are working... if Iran remains stubborn to the end and attempts to enrich past 20%, we'll know it, as will the Israelis, and that will be the time to take action. rather than bash Obama, take Netanyahu to task for dictating to America what it must do. If he wishes to take unilateral action, by all means, go for it....

In the long term jax, in the long term. In the short term they raised taxes until the economy picked up and exports increased, Israel exports were worth 4 billion USD in July of 2012. Historically, from 1988 until 2012, Israel Exports averaged 2 billion USD reaching an all time high of 5 billion USD in March of 2011 and a record low of 634.40 Million USD in September of 1988. Which means that the $3 billion we give them in aid is about the same as their exports.

If Israel wants to attack Iran they are free to do so. Kudos to them. If they want military hardware, tough. How does it feel to want? They have more than enough of our money and our hardware to do the job already. We should stay the F*ck out of it. We've been though enough asinine, useless quagmires as it is.

Fixed it for you.

Benjamin Netanyahu comes across here as a lily livered coward. Go attack Iran "Netti". I'm sure the invincible Israel can overcome any obstacle It might encounter. Being Gods elect and all that. Just saying................

piegan

Shame on Obama for snubbing the Israel Prime Minister. If it was a Muslim President that wanted to meet with Obama you betch ya he would make time. Obama does not like Israel period!

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Got news for you, a lot of people don't like Israel period, especially because of their territory confiscation policies.

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To all the American Jews in the USA, if you vote for Obama then you all are traitors to your brothers and sisters of Israel.

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....to which I say, when you vote, do you vote for the US of A, or do you voter for Israel? If the latter, then move there, and don't corrupt our country.

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Hey, do you guys remember that time when Obama sent an ambassador to Syria and said that President Assad was a reformer, and just a heck of a good guy?

That was after years of isolation because Syria had for years been sending terrorists over into Iraq in order to kill Americans. But them OBUMMER decided to send an ambassador to Syria after years that the U.S. didn't have one over there, because it would be seen as rewarding Assad's bad behavior.

Of course the Obama administration and the mindless liberal zombies told us that this was just "smart" diplomacy, and that they were going to influence Assad and all sorts of other B#ll$%^&.

Those were the days! Can you remember?

How is that smart diplomacy working out in Syria? 23,000 dead civilians later and still the liberals don't get it!

Of course Obama eventually had to take his ambassador out of there again. That was embarrassing...

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OBAMA HAS FAILED!

TIME TO KICK HIM OUT!

Raging,

not using Government is impossible. There is no way not to use public roads and services unless you live in the forest. You pay taxes in equality to your income; that is how it has always been done and will always be done. You do not ask those with the most financial trouble to pay more in taxes for using services that help them stay alive.

Those that are better off and live richer lives help those at the bottom of society that are not and do not; that is the American way, it is the Christian way, hell it is even the civil way. There has never been a modern civil culture that has cannibalized it's weak (talking human culture now).

Ray in Jax said:

give the sanctions a chance, they are working

Sanctions never work, except by punishing civilian populations.

The majority of GOP fans in these forums are two faced. They seem to blame Obama

Uh, most of the "hate Obama" people in here are Likudists and Neo-Cons.

The average Republican dislikes Obama, wants to see a balanced budget and shrink government, and I'm one of them. Unfortunately, Romney has oodles of Likudnik money and is not listening to his base.

The idea of a couple more wars is hardly popular with the average Republican except at the Federal RNC establishment level.

How about Sheldon Addelson , The guy that supports Romney on Starting WWIII, why doesn't he pony up some money for Israel, you Remember he was sorry he fought for the United States and wished He had fought for the Israeli Military. HEY SHELDON PACK UP YOUR MONEY AND MOVE TO ISRAEL YOU BENEDICT ARNOLD

Kornfed

O'bama hates Israel more than he hates God!

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................There is no God, you are proof of that.

Ray In Jax

The GOP did not want to leave Iraq or Afghanistan...

The GOP now wants war with Iran?

The same GOP that scoffed when Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize?

Ray, the dems VOTED for Iraq, and Obama pulled our troops out on Bush's schedule, so I'm not sure what you're talking about with Iraq.

Obama's kept us in Afghanastan, again, not sure what you're getting at.

I also don't see where "the GOP wants war with Iran" either...I think the GOP is more interested in why Obama appears to be avoiding Netanyahu on this very real concern of his. Interestingly, though, Hillary did say we'd "obliterate" Iran if they attacked Israel:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/apr2008/iran-a24.shtml

And yeah, we scoffed when Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize, as I'm sure a lot of the rest of the world is now, too. To claim he deserved that in what is tantamount to just not being Bush is pretty silly.

That is because Israel wants to lead us into another war and then have us supply them with the weapons. I hope we keep it widened.

TO: Kornfed who wrote:

"It is clear to me that liberals prefer Muslim fanatics..."

If there is a "Muslim fanatic" here, it must be you.

The first duty of the President of the United States is to the United States and the American People, of course, that is a point that Republicans will argue against every time.

Republicans seem to think, in every case, that everybody else in the world matters more than Americans.

Obama/Biden 2012

JaX, The Democrats voted for Iraq based on false information about weapons that bush and the republicans knew didn't exist. Where have you been?

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American Girl-724855

If there is a "Muslim fanatic" here, it must be you.

Why don't take your hate-filled self back to your own planet?

Care to elaborate, or are you just throwing oats out for the sheeples?

Israel has used America not as an ally but as an army for a very long time. I don't want to see Israel go, but I don't want Israel to think we're their for only their cause.

how do you right wing nuts know anything about God and what Obama hates. I hate your remarks which show you aren't Christians. I love republican hypocrisy.

TO: Kornfed who wrote:

Care to elaborate, or are you just throwing oats out for the sheeples?

I'll say it this way, I hate a traitor, and a traitor to me is someone who puts another country before our own.

Obama/Biden 2012

Obama won't try to do nothing about anything because he is against us anyway. Stupid muslim in disguise. He is just another wanting the good ole U.S. to fail so he can get the rest of his cronies here.

I'll say it this way, I hate a traitor, and a traitor to me is someone who puts another country before our own.

Should I ask how? Defending a long time ally of the US is a traitor now to the left? Amazing what we are becoming under O'bama.

Romney/Ryan - for "real Americans", the vacuous kind with no record of military service at all, and none planned for any of their family, as far as is known, little or no foreign policy experience, and a "1%" mentality. What are "real Americans".

As far as netan yahoo, what a war-mongering, fascist leaning, hypocrite.

JaX, The Democrats voted for Iraq based on false information about weapons that bush and the republicans knew didn't exist. Where have you been?

Great...the democrats with the same intelligence didn't know, but the republicans did. It's so funny to watch the left trying to rewrite history. Especially when it goes all the way back to Bill Clinton:

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."

President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."

President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."

Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."

Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

Still want to embarrass yourself with revisionist history? Tell me, where have YOU been?

Hey Jax, we were mislead with bad intel that Bush kept pushing as a reason to go to war. Also, we didn't end Iraq on Bush's schedule. The deadline was insisted on by the Iraqis' after Obama's campaign pledged to end the war. They used Obama's timetable and Al Maliki set the timetable, not Bush.

Obama has set the timetable to leave Afghanistan now that Osama Bin Laden is dead. Now we can say, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. The Taliban are no longer in power... Would you have advocated for a pull out before Osama was captured or killed?

We have pampered Netanyahu and have had many meetings including our SECDEF and SECSTATE, and other high end administration officials. Sitting down with Netanyahu now, after all his bluster and rhetoric, would give the appearance that Obama is being dictated to, something the GOP would love to see happen. I for one am glad he is showing spine on this issue.

Romney/Ryan - for "real Americans", the vacuous kind with no record of military service at all, and none planned for any of their family, as far as is known, little or no foreign policy experience, and a "1%" mentality. What are "real Americans".

As far as netan yahoo, what a war-mongering, fascist leaning, hypocrite.

Wow, where to begin? Obama has no military record, Biden got five, yes, count 'em, five deferements from Vietnam so you should probably think about calling Romney out for not serving in the military.

As far as the 1%, well Obama makes more than twice the minimum amount necessary to be in the 1%, and ironically, 7 of the richest people in Congress are democrats, so the democrats are hardly the party that's "in touch" with the common man.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/21/news/economy/richest-congress-members/index.html

And if you think Obama's treatment of Netanyahu on this matter makes him a foreign policy guru, well let's just say, you're a little lost, to put it kindly. But by all means, blame Netanyahu for all this...this really is all his fault.

Hey Jax, we were mislead with bad intel that Bush kept pushing as a reason to go to war

You must be referring to the elder Bush...his quotes are from Clinton in 98 :) Somehow, I think you are just operating off the talking points that you were programmed to spittle out.

What a joke. Obummer is too busy campaigning to do his job. Go figure he probably already had a tee time set up at the golf course.

How many years has Russia had nukes pointed at the U.S., yet you do not see us whining, crying, throwing a fit and starting a war with them for not reason. We have nukes pointed at them too. I bet you have nukes ALREADY pointed at Iran. Do as I say not as do...

What has North Korea done with its nukes? How many times has it issued threats and ignored international "red-lines"? Iran is SUCH a threat...when they only want the SAME weapons you have. If someone with a gun is bullying you, YOU WOULD WANT A GUN TOO.

The ex-head of Mossad and an Israel citizen BETTER KNOW THE FING 1967 borders. IF HE DID NOT THAT WOULD PROVE HOW STUPID HE REALLY IS. Why not ask him a question about U.S. borders and see if he knows the answer if he is such a great "obviously superior foreign policy leader like Netanyahu"? What has Israel done for the U.S. as an ally? NOTHING. Obama do not want to waste his time since he already knows WTF Netanyahu wants. HMMM, what could Netanyahu want to talk to me about... hmm I wonder.

I am still waiting for you to explain how people can make unlimited amounts of money and how to limit greed without taxes there JimSpence? I gave up checking back to see if you or any of your lapdogs would respond. Why is our government FORCED to print out money to infinity again? Until you can I would be careful calling anyone incompetent since you do not even understand basic FING math. 2+2=4 not 5, I should not have to explain this to a Jewish person.

I am voting for anyone who will raise taxes, Raise taxes in 2012!

clwyd-2621393

JaX, The Democrats voted for Iraq based on false information about weapons that bush and the republicans knew didn't exist. Where have you been?

“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

“Iraq is a long way from USA but, what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.”
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

“Hussein has .. chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.”
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

“He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.”
Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force– if necessary– to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.”
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

“He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do” Rep.
Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program.
He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.”
Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction… So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real …”
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan.23.2003

So, for almost 5 years the Liberals were gung-ho to attack Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction. Two of those years were during the Clinton administration where the discussion about WMD’s began, NOT by George Bush.

Of course, as usual, all the Democrats were against it AFTER they were for it.

HYPOCRITES!!!!!

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 for real Americans

Hey Jax, we were mislead with bad intel that Bush kept pushing as a reason to go to war

Then how do you explain Bill Clinton, Madeline Albright and Sandy Berger claiming Sadaam had weapons all the way back in 1998? Darn those pesky facts. I'm sure it won't stop you from trying to rewrite history, but I've already posted their quotes and the facts.

Also, we didn't end Iraq on Bush's schedule. The deadline was insisted on by the Iraqis' after Obama's campaign pledged to end the war. They used Obama's timetable and Al Maliki set the timetable, not Bush.

Wrong, yet again:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/26/obama-iraq_n_1032507.html

We have pampered Netanyahu and have had many meetings including our SECDEF and SECSTATE, and other high end administration officials. Sitting down with Netanyahu now, after all his bluster and rhetoric, would give the appearance that Obama is being dictated to, something the GOP would love to see happen. I for one am glad he is showing spine on this issue.

Interesting apologist viewpoint, saying Obama shirking his duties and ignoring the "pampered" Netanyahu is "showing a spine."

I am voting for anyone who will raise taxes, Raise taxes in 2012!

Liberalism is a mental disorder!

@Kornfed who stated:

Can we all agree to collapse Black Kettel's post at least!?

Does the truth bother you that much? - I give links, give ONE reasonable REASON why I should be collapsed by posting a real letter with the link? What do you supply only "no value" or "inflammatory" comments?

I haven't heard a sentient argument from you yet, I'm not one to call names, but others may say the word "troll." FYI: It's Black Kettle The ABC button is a spell checker, if you didn't know.

PS: sentient =

having the power of perception by the senses; conscious

Link: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sentient?s=t

Sorry, I don't intend to be rude like you have been to me, I'm just clarifying my answers to you the best way I know....

This story makes me wonder how much money Adelson paid Netanyahu to make this completely unnessisary political annoucement. It's very obvious it was only made to cause political damage to President Obama................. And Israel claims to be our friend.

@Kornfed who stated:

Can we all agree to collapse Black Kettel's post at least!?

Does the truth bother you that much?

Naa, I was reffering to its length. I have no idea what you were saying. I tend not to read propoganda over 3 sentances long.

I haven't heard a sentient argument from you yet, I'm not one to call names, but others may say the word "troll." FYI: It's Black Kettle The ABC button is a spell checker, if you didn't know.

PS: sentient =

having the power of perception by the senses; conscious

Maybe you should try to keep things simple. Look how long it took you to squeeze in that big word "sentient" Seems like a waste of time to me in order to sound smart.

The Insane Cracker Party

Thats right. After 60 years and $7 Trillion US tax payer dollars later......its time for israel to start paying its own bills and fighting its own wars.

That figure is completely fabricated. You havn't got a clue what you're talking about. You're merely spewing out garbage, rhetoric, hate and ignorance... or is it stupidity.

And whilst I too do not wish to give the Nation of Israel (cough...gag, It's Palestine) anymore $upport, it's ignorant assclowns like you that try to make a point with completely bogus numbers, that just makes me sick. You're a typical Liberal, and you've already lost all credibility and voice as an intellect on this subject matter, by your own stupid will to try and force your point of view.

The US has been "Directly" surving up between $3,000,000,000 and $10,000,000,000 ea. year, with some exception, such as in 2003 when Israel received well over $100,000,000,000. So, even if the US had directly contributed $100,000,000,000/yr. (completely untrue, and only a example to show the stupidity of your comment), since the beginning of the Nation of Israel (cough... gag, It's Palestine), that would make Israel 70 years old, but Nation of Isreal is only 65 yrs. old. So, it's like I said, you're full of shyt Cracker Boy.

Hello Kornfed, why all the pent up hostility? When someone judges you or you judge someone else you know that is just another form of projection don't you? It's like Ted Haggard and the people who bash gays, those are the people who end up getting caught with a d!ck in their mouth.

At least you stopped using "take your meds" every other post.

TrustVerify

Hello Kornfed, why all the pent up hostility?

Am I being hostile?

When someone judges you or you judge someone else you know that is just another form of projection don't you?

So what projection are you peddling?

At least you stopped using "take your meds" every other post

Look at my posting history on my account...I have never used that phrase in my life.

BigAl Las Vegas

This story makes me wonder how much money Adelson paid Netanyahu to make this completely unnessisary political annoucement. It's very obvious it was only made to cause political damage to President Obama................. And Israel claims to be our friend.

Now, now, don't sell Obama short. He's done plenty of damage to himself, by himself, as a direct result of his own actions, or should I say, in-actions. So don't go blaming Israel for trashing your's or Ron Ayer's puppet boy.

And I wouldn't call it an un-nessisary announcement. It is a fact that Iran is inching ever closer to obtaining it's very own "Fat Man", "Thin Man" and "Little Boy". And when they do, it'll be too late, and the dumbasses that didn't support action against Iran NOW, will be crying and blaming Bush for not acting on the matter when we should have. Barry Soetoro's just a coward, and hasn't got a clue what to do, except to look the other way, and hope nothing happens during his final few days playing president. After Jan. 2013, he'll be off to bigger and better things on the American Tax Payer's dollar.

I am so sick of Israel trying to push us into war with Iran. Let them go to war with Iran, I say go for it beebee. We have already been there long enough. Its time we put America first, We have rebuilt Iraq when there oil was going to pay for the war and pay to rebuild that country. Dick Cheney told us it would. The Rep's have run up the dept and then blamed it on Obama. The Dem's have told Israel that they can not just do what ever they want and think we will back them up. The Rep's think we have to kiss Israels Butts and that is not who we are. It is up to us to decided when to go to war with someone. I think the only reason we went into Iraq was because that is what Saudi Arabia wanted. Yes they are our so called friends, But we know the Saudi's were behind 911. The money came from there, and most of the people of 911 were Saudi's. We need to stop starting wars for other country's The only reason we were hit on 911 is because we always stand with Israel no matter what. And one other thing. OBL said all he had to do is drive the cost of oil over $100 a barrel and it would destroy the American economic, and he did and it did. The Greed of the oil company's did the rest. The Saudi King said the cost of oil was not that high for gas prices in the US to be so high. The Speculators ran the price up. That and only that caused the mess we are in right now. Pure old American greed.

Let's not forget 1967 when Israel deliberately shelled an American ship, Killing and injuring over 200 Americans...and got away with it. We don't "owe" them anything. F*ck Israel, let them fight their own battles.

I'm with bandit and good point!

"the White House has got back to us and said it appears a meeting is not possible. It said that the president's schedule will not permit that".

Once again Obama ignores a problem and hopes it will go away until after the elections.

The Israelis live in defense every day of their lives. They can not afford to make the same mistake twice. They gave up Gaza for a piece of paper, and what did they get? Rockets! One strike in the US would take out Rhode Island. One strike in Israel would take out the entire country.

One strike in Israel by Iran would also destroy Iran. You are asking us to assume that the Iranians are complete morons who don't realize that.

Even IF Iran managed to get a nuclear weapon, there is no place it could use it. Israel has enough weapons to turn Iran into a nuclear wasteland for the next 10,000 years, and that is exactly what would happen if Iran tried to attack Israel. The Iranians know it. The Israelis know it. And we know it.

Netanyahu is not worried about defense in the least. He wants to see the destruction of Iran, that is why we are told all the weird things about how Iranians hate their own children and want to see them turned into radioactive dust just so that they can take out Israelis.

Okee

What would you do if it was your call?

I'd at least meet with Netanyahu. Meeting with him isn't a declaration of war. Dissing him like this is, if nothing else, rude. This behavior by our president is shameful.

ROY WILSON-336103

Once again Obama ignores a problem and hopes it will go away until after the elections.

Maybe if Prime Minister Netanyahu offered to give Brokeback Barrack a big bear hug, like pizza-boy Scott Van Nuzer did the other day, he'd agree to a meeting.

I think our POTUS is still "evolving", if you get my meaning.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 for real Americans

Republicans in the US are idiots. As idiotic as the Democrats.

The only non-stupid voters and politicians are paying attention to those who actually work on either side of the aisle, not the ones who drive nails straight through their asses in the name of 'taking a stand' (which isn't taking a stand at all, because then they would produce results. Its actually being a 'tantrum throwing baby).

Iran should be bombed, because that is what they are asking, and Israel has expressed an interest in doing so, so they should. Israel is so interested in doing it, they should stop crying for help from the US. And Republican morons who say on one hand we should stay out, and on the other, we should back Israel, are just as dumb as a person who can't add 2+2. Sometimes the Dems are as dumb, but this one goes to the Repukes.

Obama doesn't have time for Israel but he does have time for an appearance on the David Letterman show.

Breaking news on CNN saying that an American citizen was killed in Libya today.

Egypt citizens storm a US Embassy and tear down a US Flag and replace the flag with a Muslim black flag.

Obama says nothing.

Oblunder is too busy to meet with Netanyahu to discuss a potential nuclear attack on Israel that could set off a war to rival that of WWII... Yes, our POTUS is too busy "campaigning" to discuss nuclear war! Too busy to assist Israel in her defense. Too busy to consider how an Iranian strike on Israel would lead to world chaos. And this is our 'President'? Are you kidding me? This narcisstic snob, this marxist traitor needs to find his way back to community organizing... He is either totally inept as a leader of the modern world, and another 4 years will not be sufficient for him to earn his degree in international leadership, or, he has a hidden agenda to drive this country into further turmoil.

Still nothing for me Jim?

One more question for you. Would 9/11 have happened if not for the country of Israel? Tks buddy.

Roy, the problem is that Israel want s to get us involved in another war and Obama doesn't want it so we can balance the deficit, 1/3 rd of which comes from bush's wars. have you seen what our wars have gotten us in the Middle East. Afghanistan- killing of Americans by training soldiers. Libya a riot and one dead at our embassy today. Egypt, the embassy attacked and the flag burned. We are not the world''s policeman even though you and the republicans think we are. We just can't afford it!

Romney/ Ryan Never. The two biggest liars in politics today! I aught to know I come from the Janesville area!

Tired-2176559

Still nothing for me Jim?

Is this directed at me?

JimSpence

Loved all your quotes of Dem's. Only one big problem, each of them were quoting from statements issued by the Bush admin. Dickey and Donney were part of the group from Ronnie Ray-guns term that gave the WMD (gas ) to old Madass in Iraq. That was the gas Saddam used on the Kurds, it was meant to be used against Iran. As proof of WMD Bush and company sited British intel. Only problem was Britten got its intel from us, ours was proved FALSE!

Don't forget old Ya-who does this every four years to influence our elections. Israel year after year takes land it does not own and gives it to settlers. It would be like me bringing an assault force to your house, bulldoze it and take the property for myself. You don't get time to move and my assault force will shoot you if you protest. This is what Israel does time and time again and then we (The US of A) are supose to pat them on the back tell them good job and give them another Billion Dollar check.

By the way your RED NECK is showing.

Obama is treading on thin ice with Christians and Jews...this might be the nail in his coffin!

A war with Iran will mean the END OF THE USA as a superpower period.

As this country has been at war in 2 wars for ten years with no end in sight

If you want $10 a gallon gas and a ruined economy by all means star another unfunded war.

clwyd-2621393 "Roy, the problem is that Israel want s to get us involved in another war and Obama doesn't want it so we can balance the deficit"

I don't think anyone really wants a war - least of all Israel, but they don't see any actions by Obama that are likely to make Iran halt their pursuit of a nuclear weapon which would create an existential threat to Israel's survival. Obama has been trying his approach for almost 4 years now, and Iran is four years closer to having the weapon. The truth is that Israel does not expect Obama to stop Iran, so they may have to do it themselves.

As for 'balancing the Deficit', you can't be serious. The Deficits under Obama are expected to be $5.333 Trillion for his first 4 years, which is 6.5 times as much as Bush's Deficits of $820 Billion over HIS first 4 years. Obama said he would 'cut the Deficits in half' during his first term, but they are bigger than ever.

I have yet to see Obama even begin to suggest anything to 'balance the Deficit' - he keeps calling for more deficit spending, and his people call the Republicans 'terrorists' for not giving him a blank check.

Some of the post here amaze me. To the one that stated that Korea has nukes and have not used them, so Iran could too and be put under the same control as Korea shows a total lack of understanding of what the difference between the two countries are. One country is a politically radical country that has a political ideology that tells them this is the best way for them and all other countries to live under, but if they get destroyed there is no future nor can they spread their ideology. Iran on the other hand is ruled by a radical Islamic element that does not care about life or death, they do not care if they will be unable to spread radical Islamic ideology because under their belief system if they can destroy Israel (or the Zionist usurpers as they like to say) they know because of prophesy that the great Imam will return and force the rest of the world to convert or die. Unlike communism which has no belief in the after life, the radical Islamic people believe that if they die a martyr then they will be set up for life. So to put the two countries into the same basket makes no sense.

The rest of you that think it would be a wonderful thing to see Israel go at Iran by themselves also shows your lack of forward thinking. What are we going to do if Iran does a massive attack against Israel with missiles both from themselves and from Lebynon, what if the missiles have biological weapons? Does anyone think that if one of these land in Jeruselem or Tel Aviv that Israel will have any other choice but to respond in kind with Nucliuer weapons? What will happen to the price of oil if there is a nuclier war, and can our economy handle such a drastic downturn on imports if the whole region blows up over this?

In the end it would be the start of WW3 if we do not come against Iran, turn our back and there is a great likelihood that the situation would rapidly escalate out of control. And for you that wish to yell, how would you feel if Mexico was developing Nukes and had a religious mindset that to use them against us not matter the cost would bless them now and give them eternal rewards, would you advise to stand down and let them go ahead and develop the weapons with the hope that suddenly they would have a change of heart? We all know the answer, you would demand action. So why are you so against another country acting in self defense or in a preemptive strike to prevent a nation that has openly called for the destruction of Israel from obtaining weapons that would put their own survival at risk?

It sounds like a cluster f__k to me.............

joethelib

JimSpence

Loved all your quotes of Dem's. Only one big problem, each of them were quoting from statements issued by the Bush admin. Dickey and Donney were part of the group from Ronnie Ray-guns term that gave the WMD

HUH????

Let me get this straight, you're telling me that all those Democrats went on blind faith and just went on what Rumsfeld and Cheney did 12 years earlier?

Clinton (Hillary and Billy Bob), Nanny Piglosi, Madeleine Albright (Clintons Secretary of State) and Sandy Berger (Clintons National Security Adviser) didn’t use any newer intelligence from 1988 until 2000 (when the first 5 quotes originated) when their terms were up?

Psssssst, Bush wasn’t president until 2000!

The quotes AREN’T for old WMD’s, they were talking about programs, development and BUILDING WMD’s.

Now, I can understand Clinton not having a clue, we all know he was too busy to govern while he was getting his knob polished by his 22 yo skank Monica nine times. But you think the rest of his administration was that incompetent they didn’t use their own intel?

PULEEEEEEEEEEZ Joethe, you’re not really that naïve are you? I even give them more credit than that.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Try as you may, you’re arguments are indefensible. You should really stop, you’re making yourself look more insignificant than you already are.

By the way, your PENCIL NECK is showing.

Try to keep up Spanky.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 for real Americans

If you bless the Jews you will be blessed. If you curse the Jews you will be cursed... If we want to still have favor from GOD we better listen to the message about taking care of the Jewish people.

That's cool. I'm Jewish. I would like to begin accepting donations of all sorts. I do enjoy italian food, large boobs, I'm good at golf, I think $100 bills are prettier than other bills, I enjoy traveling, need to be tucked in at night, and prefer sports cars to sedans. That should be good for a start. Thank you! I mean Shalom!

Redhead, maybe because bibi was rude to President Obama the last time they had their meeting. Turnbout is fairplay. Let Israel fight its own wars but remember. Day of Infamy, Dec 7, 1941. The day Israel attacks Iran will be another day of Infamy.

Tbenton

Good post.

The problem with Liberals/Progressives is that they think we can just isolate ourselves from the rest of the world and keep borrowing and printing more and more money for their dysfunctional Keynesian economic model. Their delusion is to just keep taking from those that have and keep redistributing to those that don't until everyone either runs out of money or tells us to take a hike.

Their sacrosanct entitelments and social programs are crippling us to the point of insolvency, so their new bogeyman is the dreaded Military Industrial Complex. Granted it needs to be pared down but not today as the middle East is a powderkeg. As the main supply of oil would be shut down, our and the global economy would crash harder than ten Great Depressions.

But then again we can all just buy a Chevy Volt and hope it doesn't incinerate us.

My oh my......

Mr. Obama's International Policies at work.

I can hardly wait to hear his comments about the "radicals" storming the U.S. embassy in Egypt, the killing of a U.S. "official" in Libya, and the "terrorist" who died at Gitmo. Maybe he could include these into one campaign speech or talk about them at a fireside chat with a Liberal opinionater.

Meanwhile, Iran and North Korea will just have to wait until after the election. <<whisper, whisper>>

Romney-Ryan 2012 to take back America from the Progressives and the Radicals.

Does anyone really want Whatayahoo to suck us into another war?

Democrats don't care about Israel. Democrats only "officially" care about Israel when its time to get re-elected. Once the election is over, they'll have the "flexibility" they need to remove any mention of Israel from their platform.

I think the Democratic Party has shown a steadfast commitment to Israel. As for me, I could give a crap about Israel.

Go ahead; try and pay me to care about Israel and Iran - lets see how much $$$ it takes for me to care about these countries...bet you don't have enough $$$.

Think of all the things you could have learned while wasting your time on this stuff - you could be a master of all trades with the time you lost (forever) on useless political information. Oh well; this will teach your wife for not letting you buy that new table saw.

Just give the Israeli's Nevada. It's similair countryside and Sheldon Adelson could make a fortune fleecing them like he does the Californians. Heck, if they get bored they could start a holy war with Utah.

kornfed, spider, Roy and JS, all on the same thread - now all we need is Backcountry and we'll have the cincofecta.

Obama is going to do nothing. Why? Because he is muslim. Everyone knows it. You don't cut defense aid to Israel by two-thirds while at the same time increasing aid to all the muslim countries in the area.

When are you people going to realize this? Iran and all the muslim countries has wanted to destroy Israel for sometime now and the only reason they can give is because they don't like Jews. Obama is a pawn when it comes to muslim countries. They know they have ties to him because of his upbringing.

jesus. does anyone have a damn clue here??

israel is going to attack iran and drag us into war.

it's very clear.

get the damn facts straight., and then you are allowed to post yur damn opinion u damn idiots

news flash for the right wing "jimspence' when democrats said Saddam had plans of making wmd's it was true. When the democrats said he had them it ws true. but by the time Bush became president, IT WAS NO LONGER TRUE. THE UN had already confirmed that Saddam dream was dead. the last of his bomb making materials where in warehouses waiting to be shipped out. however, bush failed to secure them during assault and the iraq people robbed them to make IED's which killed and maimed our guys. So mr. JIMSPENCE. go @#$% yourself. you lying piece of sht.

Obama is just setting the stage for the Antichrist.

Didn't anyone see Obama 2016? That last bit didn't want to mention the word "Armageddon" , but christians knew everywhere that was what it was leading up to.

Attacking Israel is the first step to armageddon, in case anyone doesn't know bible prophesy.

now i understand why you are unhappy lol

Unhappy, you might need to get back to school.

I recommend starting in second grade.

And do real conservatives a favor. Don't pretend to be one.

Where are your links? Do you speak Farsi... I guess you missed THIS LETTER that Iran's Pres. Ahmadinejad took out in the NYT (New York Times - Full Page) 2006

At least I can supply a link:

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/11/29/ahmadinejad.letter/

Black Kettle and Sound Creek:

You are so full of it. I guess you didn't see the what happened in 2011.

U.S. official: 'Multiple' sources strengthen case against Iran

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-10-13/middleeast/world_meast_iran-saudi-plot_1_plot-iranian-officials-saudi-ambassador?_s=PM:MIDDLEEAST

Here's a little excerpt:

President Barack Obama weighed in on the alleged plot Thursday, saying it is "not just a dangerous escalation, this is part of a pattern of dangerous and reckless behavior" by the Iranian government.

Obama called it a sign that Iran has "been outside of accepted norms of international behavior for far too long" and said the United States will work with international partners and will take steps to ensure that Iran "pays a price."

Derek: It's nice to know that you are interested in my education. But you don't have to worry. As an engineer, I am inclined to think critically.

For some reason Romney felt it necessary to bring Sheldon Adelson along with him to Israel after his unsuccessful attempts to provoke a war with England (the second part of that statement is sarcasm for the halfwits among you).

The SAME Sheldon Adelson who is under investigation for violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act for bribing government officials in Macau.

The SAME Sheldon Adelson who promised to spend an "unlimited" amount of money to help elect Romney and who is an ardent Zionist (not to mention who would save a couple of billion a year in taxes under Romney's tax plan)

It's not much of a stretch to imagine that if enough of Adelson's cash was on the table that Netanyahu would agree to publicly try to draw the United States into committing ourselves into another Middle East war and attempt to influence the outcome of the election as long as Romney would agree to do just that if he were elected.

Netanyahu's Likud party is nothing but a foreign branch of the NeoCon wing of the Republican Party and is only in power as part of a coalition government. The majority of the Israeli military and government officials, the majority of the Israeli public and the overwhelming majority of American Jews are opposed to a first strike against Iran under the current circumstances.

If Israel Feels Threatened By Iran Just Let The Israeli Finish The Job!

But America Has Enough Not Wars For Fun & Profit We Don't Need To Get Involved Unless Provably Attacked Ourselves!

If Bumbling Barry Gets US Involved In Another Corporate Not War In Iran Or Syria..... Forget The Election IMPEACH The Bumbling Clown!

Obama's not going to get many Jewish votes anyway I say if they want a war fight it themselves.

Obama's not going to get many Jewish votes anyway

Yeah, probably only 65%-70% or so....

When Obama wrote Dreams of My Father, it showed his fathers passionate belief in the destruction of the United States as a way to help the Moslem world! He also wrote that he held his father’s beliefs close in his own heart!

Obama has went out of his way to promote Moslem interests in the world up to and with the us of America's military might to place the Moslem brotherhood in a position of power in different countries! He did this knowing that once in power they would be against us!

If one takes a good look at Obama's actions it seems quite clear that Obama would do anything to drag this nation down.

Obama surrounded himself with people who hated our freedoms and our way of life while living off from its bounty! His preacher was a former, so he claimed, Moslem cleric! Who claimed God dammed America! Others, who advised him, were terrorist, like Bill Ayres. His greatest mentors were known communist!

When you examine his life and his passions up to this point, it’s not hard to see what he is trying to do! The destruction of this country is his number one goal!

An engineer? Do you make the toy train go, "Wooo WOOO?!"

There seems to be a consensus here that American troops were involved in Israels wars in 1948, 53, 67, and 73.. can someone provide more info please?

Someone needs to tell those ingrates in Israel that they do not control the U.S. or can tell the U.S. what to do. It is the U.S. taxpayers that are forced to pay for Israel, not the other way around. We don't owe them anything.

What? Right NOW is when Obama should be demanding a face to face meeting with Netanyahu! To heck with anyone else meeting him and to heck with any schedule conflict!

If Israel starts anything with Iran, whether we like it or not we will, as in the USA, be at war with Iran also. What is this crap about 'schedule conflicts?' This is kind of important to us all....

Yahoo is having a tantrum...his buddy mittens (from business school...came by to see him and get some $$ for his failing campaign)...I really wouldn't be surprised if these 2 had "something" to do with all of the "issues in the Middle East"...

This is a blantant attempt to stir up trouble to benefit each of their failing positions (greed and power)

yahoo is being questioned AND challenged by many other people of Israel...the Purpose of the UN is speak of these issues with Iran . USA has been in several unwarranted, unpaid for wars; courtisey of the gop... let the UN them deal with yahoo.... sanctions have been in place do punish Iran, we don't have to kill OUR Soilders and OUR Economy just to benefit the gop war money making machine for themselves cheney,haluburton, etc..

sad to use this excuse as shovel ready jobs for Americans ..I say we outsource that to the UN>

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Israel does whatever they please and then runs to the US to hide behind our skirts. We need look no further than our experience in Iraq - the coalition did not include Israeli troops. If Obama is not licking Netanyahu's boot, good for him. Our whackadoo fundamentalist rw neighbors slober over their every word and Israel laughs at them while boasting about their superiority.

Um Pedestrian,

I was involved in that little get-together. The reason Israel wasnt involved was because if a single Jewish company participated then the whole damn middle east would have attacked us the US. That's the reason and any thinking person understands it. They offered we respectfully declined.

Iran's not going to do a thing, as every other backwater commie/dictatorship country which has a nuke.

None of these countries with the bomb have ever done squat with it.

A solution to this problem would be to have a neutral 3rd party country like say India or Brazil "guarantee" Iranian sovereignty in exchange for FULL access to all Iranian sites at any time, not this mickey mouse thing they have goin on right now.

Let the U.S. and Iran come up with a short list each of ten countries. I bet it would work, but is there the will to do it?

They did NOT offer, Voter. That was their excuse. They continued to do exactly what they wanted while Americans died in Iraq. Perhaps if they thought they might actually have to defend themselves instead of letting Big Brother USA do all the killing/dying, they might try to get along with their neighbors instead of being a$$holes. They take our aid money and have the nerve to tell us how to run our country.

Wrong, Pedestrian-in-SF! I was there. Where were you?(Oh I forgot, in SanFran). They did offer. I know you hate the Jews and espouse anything you can to slant others to hate them, but you are lying. Show me your dd214 then you can talk to me.

@Pedestrian-in-SF - you sir are truly ignorant of geopolitical issues. Israel DID NOT get involved because WE did not want them involved for OBVIOUS REASONS. For Israel to have become involved would have solicited sympathy from other muslim nations and eroded the frail alliances we set up.

Just like back in Desert Shield and Desert Storm when Iraq launched those scud missiles into Israel. Israel had every right to counter attack, but did not, because WE ASKED THEM NOT TO. We sent patriot missile batteries and targeted any and all land based and mobile scud launchers that even moved to a position to strike Israel.

Keep in mind, especially for IndependentinSD that the UN Partition Plan in 1947 included land for the Palestinians and the Jews. In fact, the partition plan favored Palestinians, granted them more land than what was proposed for Israel. It wasn't Israel that launched that attack in 1948, but sure as hell was Lebannon, Jordan, Syria, and Egypt. Israel prevailed and as a result took the captured land. In 1967, the 6 day war, saw the same perpetrators as in 1947 scheming to attack Israel again. Israel, instead of waiting to be pounced on again, launched attacks North and South, capturing the Sinai, the Golan Heights, and the West Bank and Gaza. Jordan formally acknowledged the existance of Israel and they have lived in peace since. Egypt did the same in 48, and was given back the land in the Sinai that was captured. Also, my uninformed friends in the Road Map for Peace, Israel abandoned settlements and evacuated entire communities from the west bank and Gaza. But was that enough? NOPE sure wasn't. Instead what they got was militants firing Quaam Missiles from Gaza into Israel. In 2006, militants abducted an Israeli soldier, so what did Israel do. They re-entered Gaza and built the West Bank Barrier. So don't blame Israel for defending itself. They were quite happy with the land granted in 1947. It was the Arabs that started the fight that Israel finished (BY ITSELF - Without US TROOPS).

The braindead rhetoric claiming Israel is starting the trouble is about as foolish as forgetting the capturing of the US EMBASSY in Tehran, in which OUR CITIZENS were held captive for 444 days. And how soon we seem to forget that while Iran certainly may not have openly started any wars since 1804, they have certainly instigated, had proxies, and supported elements that have.

It is true these people in Persia and the Middle East have been at war for thousands of years. And it has NEVER been a result of anything other than Religeon. And you have to ask yourself 1 simple question. If your neighbor is threatening to burn your house down, do you wait until you smell gasoline and see a match, or do you do something about it before hand...

I guess we will have to borrow some more from China to pay for Israel's war with Iran. Folks wake up!! We are broke. If we must and only if we absolutly must... a surgical strike is about all we might be able to afford. So give the sanctions a chance to work. If Israel cannot wait then they are a free country.

If Israel goes at it without USA< it wont be a surgical strike, it would get really messy.

Also, if the country was broke, we would be seeing results on our dinner tables, instead of just on TV.

Israel wants to go to war with Iran.... let them be on condition that we stop giving financial aid. Their economy is in much better shape than the US, we should be using that money to build the USA instead of other nations.

The USA is in financial bind right now, companies scale back expenses and salaries to keep the company afloat and employees working. The USA can also do that with our foreign contributions.

If our policy is not to talk to terrorists. then why talk to netenyahooo?

Only the brain damaged fail to see that Obama is not Israel's friend and he would abandon them to their fate and wouldn't mind at all if they were overrun by the muslim hordes. He, of course, would issue the usual politically correct protestations over the slaughter of Israelis but wouldn't lift a finger in their defense.

However, Obama will become incensed should the Israelis take it upon themselves to exercise their right of self defense and only the upcoming elections and his need for the Jewish vote temper his open distain for Netanyahu and Israel.

Who's going to pay for military action with Iran on behalf of Israel, Spidy? Not Israel.

Gee, spider, how incredibly stupid you are.

what going on,{can you spell} is the u.s was just in 2 war and president isn't going to get us in a new one, the prime minister knows this but he wants the u.s in this fight and the president is to smart to fall for that, so israeli will have to fight its own war itself, but am sure {can you spell} you would be more than welcome to sign up with the israeli and help them fight that war and if you are to old have your kids sign up, like i said you will be more than welcome......that is what the hell is going on......

Since Netanyahu has no backbone, evidently Israel can't deal with it by themselves, even though they should.

The constant threat to strike Iran without actually doing it for the past many months weakens Israel, it is sad to watch.

It's like the boy who cried wolf.

If the people of Israel want American support before attacking Iran, that may be their way pushing back the wild ass hawks in their government. If the people thought Iran had to be stopped, like yesterday, they wouldn't care about the U.S. . They have handled things in their neighborhood themselves after all. So I am taking it that they ( the people) are not that crazy about attacking Iran right now.

Setting a deadline is brinkmanship. If the government of Israel wants to go to the brink, that's up to them. We have enough on our plates right now.

Obama wants iran to have nuclear weapons. He wants iran to blast israel. obama doesn't want the US to have a foothold in the middle east via israel. This would increase the middle easts chances in the event of war against the US. Why would obama want us to have an advantage by having an ally in the region? obamas own book states he'll stand with the muslims come hell or high water.

I can't believe the US has a communist muslim for a president and people by in to his bull@!$%#.

Israel needs to just go a head and cut losoe on iran and any other middle eastern country that gives it grief and get this ball rolling so we can start illiminating obamas friends. obama showed his true colors when he went on his muslim apology tour back in 2009.

The last time we went to war for israel was with Iraq all because of faked WMD intel from israel that Bush bought hook, line and sinker

So did obama. He endorsed the whole damn thing in the senate. Now he back peddles showing how two faced and what a hypocrit he really is.

obamas true policy and agenda and to bring the US to its knees at all cost. Watch if he gets another term in office. He's going to start his attack on the private sector freezing and lowering wages on the middle and lower classes of people. He's a real man of the people alright! Flood the jobs markets with low wage illgal workers, then bring our wages in line with that of those illegals. Watch and see!

Good point Rufus... what most people outside of politics do not understand is an ultimatum. If our leaders were foolish enough to issue one, and Iran crosses the line, we have no other option but to attack. By not issuing an ultimatum, we have the upper hand and can attack anytime we think it's in the world's best interest.

The President is on the right course with this issue. Never should a president bow down and allow another country to dictate terms of our policy. That is leadership.....

"The Skunk"....Bowed to all the other third world thugs, but he squats to pee in front of a real hardliner....Obumbler may be a good talker, but his actions are very weak at the best....yeah I know he gave a simple yes to a common sense question about getting bin laden, but that sure don't make him a man...Don't want my potus to bow to any country/man....he must be bigger than that, doesn't mean he has to push the nuke button, but he better have a backbone....I'm not to sure about mitt either...

GLCSR,

That is the worst garbage I have ever seen on this newsvine! I can't believe you fascist can rant and rave your garbage in regards to the POTUS. It's one thing to disagree but completely another to write a bunch of BS. If you are such a great American, why don't aren't you POTUS, or a Senator, or a Congressman? Or a solider? Or anything but the sorry excuse of a citizen you are!

I'll tell you what, Iran is no pushover like Iraq. So if you want a war, get ready for allot of blood and lost lives. I doubt very much you would even be patriotic enough to go fight. There would be a very good chance we wouldn't win! Where is the draft when you need it. If people had to serve they wouldn't be so fast to get us in a war.

cause republicans hate America for it's freedom

They think they can influence the election and get Willard the draft dodging war monger elected. Obama isn't getting the Jewish vote anyway but he'll still win. I'd tell them to f*** off for trying to screw him over.

I know, right! Israel has no reason to fear Iran. So they get a nuke, BIG DEAL! Can't they see we're trying to run an election?!??!

Sheesh!

Jax, one of us is wrong. I don't for a minute believe Iran will attack Israel with nukes. Ahmedinejad knows it would be the end of Iran, period. He won't do it.

Yes, for Iran to have nukes will change the balance of power in the region, but how many lives is that worth? Please be specific.

Yes, for Iran to have nukes will change the balance of power in the region, but how many lives is that worth? Please be specific.

Where did I mention any amount of lives?

If you want to ask "how many lives," maybe you should ask Hillary?

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/apr2008/iran-a24.shtml

Jax, Iran is not going to acquire a nuke. I realize a GOP fan boi such as yourself is loving this story, because you think it makes Obama look bad. What you fail to realize or acknowledge is all of the efforts that have gone into building a coalition against Iran and the covert action that has delayed Iran's progress to allow sanctions time to begin to bite....

As for Iran not attacking Israel, RonB might want to do a bit of research into the 12th Imam, or the hidden prophet. Ahmadinejad has repeatedly spoken of this. They believe that if they provoke a large enough war, or disaster, the 12th Imam and Jesus will descend from heaven and help them defeat their enemies, and Islam will rule the world for 1000 years at the side of Christ. I believe for this specific reason, Iran would indeed make good on it's repeated threats of destroying Israel.

Jax, Iran is not going to acquire a nuke. I realize a GOP fan boi such as yourself is loving this story, because you think it makes Obama look bad. What you fail to realize or acknowledge is all of the efforts that have gone into building a coalition against Iran and the covert action that has delayed Iran's progress to allow sanctions time to begin to bite....

Well there you go, ladies and gentleman... Someone call Netanyahu and the rest of the world immediately. "Ray in Jax" here has spoken! He's the expert and knows in his own mind that Iran is not going to acquire a nuke.

Truly...Netanyahu and everyone else is worried for nothing, because Ray In Jax here, is being kept abreast of this covert action that keeps Iran from building a bomb! Please, everyone, calm down, and stop over-reacting!

Whew!!! We can all sleep better now, thanks for clearing that up for us, Ray In Jax! You're swell.

A US official has been killed and others wounded in Libya as an armed mob protesting over a film they said offended Islam attacked the US consulate in Benghazi.

The same happened in Cairo, Egypt. So this is what you'd like us to support?

They won't acquire a nuke because we have built a global coalition that is dedicated to ensuring it doesn't happen. I'm sure the time will come when we do have to go in and risk American lives and treasure to prevent it, but they'll never acquire the bomb.

Netanyahu is playing politics and simply trying to make Obama look bad so his ol college friend Romney gains poll points.

I'm glad you'll sleep better tonight.... you are welcome....

They won't acquire a nuke because we have built a global coalition that is dedicated to ensuring it doesn't happen. I'm sure the time will come when we do have to go in and risk American lives and treasure to prevent it, but they'll never acquire the bomb.

Can you please keep me in the loop regarding the status of this covert operation, that for some reason, you know so much about? In fact, please post it in all threads here on the vine dealing with subjects that pertain to Israel, Iran, the US, the middle East, nuclear proliferation and Obama's campaign. And please call Netanyahu and tell him he's worrying for nothing, the poor guy just doesn't have all this intel that you're obviously privy to.

And therein lies the problem. All of us sane, rational people can sit around behind the comfort of our computers and protected by thousands of miles of oceans and say "gee, this Ammadinnerjacket guy would be nutzo to use a nuclear bomb, deeerrrrrrr." Well yes, that's the point. He is nutzo, and would absolutely use a nuclear weapon if he is able to build one. His regime has publicly vowed to wipe Israel off the map (not a threat, a promise). His leader, the Iyatola, has said the same, many times, publicly. His regime openly supports anti-Israel militant groups with financial aid and weapons. This is not a situation where logic and reason will prevail.

Not to spark more debate, but let's consider something totally possible here - but first, let's kind of agree of a few FACTS.

FACTS - Shi'ites and Sunnis are constantly at each other's throats. We see this in "sectarian" violence. We see it in power struggles involving all the middle eastern countries and the way they deal with each other. I think we know this to be a fact.

Fact - Radicalism and extremist views are flagrantly tossed around in the name of religeon. We know there are very few "moderates" in the muslim faith. Within the hierarcy of the Muslim faith, we know and have heard that anyone who is NOT a muslim is an infidel. I think we can all agree on this.

Fact - The region has been at war with each other for thousands of years, stemming from religeous edicts to fanatacism to asymmetrical type warfare. Provences include warlords and elders often waging battles against each other (thus the birth of what we know today as the Taliban). Read your world history concerning the rise of the Taliban if you doubt this truth.

Now what can we deduce, if we use history as a guide. Well we know the US and USSR had a very protracted nuclear arms race. We know Pakistan and India both engaged in a nuclear arms race. We know given the historical evidence, we can expect a nuclear arms race in the middle east should Iran (Shi'ites) produce a bomb. The Sunni's would likely need or desire to follow suit. We know governments in that region are overthrown (Egypt, Tunisa, Yemen, and Syria in the midst of its own civil war) We know, to the victors goes the spoils of war. So do we really want to see a nuclear arms rush in the middle east? Especially given some of the Rhetoric coming from Iran and it's anti-west stance. Do we want to see radical fundamentalists with their fingers on the trigger of a nuclear weapon?

Now we can argue about whether or not Iran is wanting nuke energy for peaceful purposes or is really trying to covertly build a bomb. The issue then becomes one of trust, taking them at thier word. But can we trust Iran? If history has taught us anything it is NOT TO TRUST IRAN. And why should Israel, whether or not the intended message from Iran was either Israel to be wiped off the map, or the Regime in Israel to be wiped off the map, really is a question of semmantics, considering that the israeli government is Israel, just like OUR GOVERNMENT is THE US. The people of this country don't make the decisions, but suffer the consequences of the decisions that are made. Terrorists, enemies of our country in times of war, don't give a damn whether they are killing soldiers, government people who started the garbage, or innocent civilians, as we are all considered AMERICA. So the same holds true for Israel, for ANY COUNTRY. The national identity of a country is the government which leads them.

So I would submit this as a topic of thought and consideration. Whether or not the fight is Israel's or not, whether we believe they should go it alone or intervene, ultimately do we trust Iran, especially given Russian and Chinese opposition to stricter sanctions? Isn't it seemingly clear that Iran is just another in a long list of proxies for battles between the bigger states? Just like the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, and our support of the mujahadeen (to become Al Qaeda)? Just like our support of IRAQ during the Iran/Iraq War? The only difference is NOW we are talking about nuclear material capable in small amounts to cause widespread devistation, whether or not it is weaponized, and being produced by a country that already refers to us as THE GREAT SATAN. Just consider that...

Here's where you lost me, Will: We know there are very few "moderates" in the muslim faith.

"We" don't know any such thing. Where's your data?

What are there, a billion Muslims in the world, give or take? What percentage of them have killed, or advocated killing, or burned a flag, or advocated burning it?

Come on, get your head out of your own religious intolerance.

@Nika4

I second that!

Great points Nika

We should have left Saddam alone....he intimidated the Iranians!

Too bad so many democrats didn't think that way at the time, huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."

President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."

President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."

Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."

Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seing and developing weapons of mass destruction."

Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."

Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

Too bad we had a leader pushing bad intel on the world to justify his goal of toppling Sadam. As early as Jan 2001, Bush ordered the military to draw up war plans for Iraq.

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/new-documents-show-bush-administration-plan

Thank God for declassified docs....

And here I thought the repubs and G.W. started it all.....

Too bad we had a leader pushing bad intel on the world to justify his goal of toppling Sadam. As early as Jan 2001, Bush ordered the military to draw up war plans for Iraq.

None of which explain why Clinton and friends thought Sadaam had weapons. Are you ever going to address that, or are you just going to laughably claim that only the republicans knew something the democrats didn't...and as far back as early 1998?

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

Jax head: when the dems said he had materials to build wepons, he did, when the dems said he had plans to build, he did, but by the time Bush became president, THEY WHERE GONE, the UN had already confirmed there was nothing left. the last remnant of his wmd's was special high yeild explosive that the UN had locked in a warehouse ready for transport. Bush failed to secure this when he invaded and the stuff is what they made the IED's with and killed an maimed our guys. FU

None of which explain why Clinton and friends thought Sadaam had weapons.

Clinton didn't invade Iraq. I know it's hard for you to understand that Democrats aren't to blame for everything that Republicans actually did, but that's a fact.

Jax head: when the dems said he had materials to build wepons, he did, when the dems said he had plans to build, he did, but by the time Bush became president, THEY WHERE GONE, the UN had already confirmed there was nothing left. the last remnant of his wmd's was special high yeild explosive that the UN had locked in a warehouse ready for transport. Bush failed to secure this when he invaded and the stuff is what they made the IED's with and killed an maimed our guys. FU

Oh yes!!! They had them when the democrats thought they had them, but later, when Bush was president the democrats STILL thought they had them, they didn't? Right!!! Sadaam kicked the inspectors out in 1998, but those same inspectors confirmed there were no weapons after that?? How did they do that when they had been expelled, exactly? Oh that's right! 1441 was around BECAUSE Saddam wouldn't let them in!

Please...keep the comedy coming!!

Wait, I'm not done embarrassing you yet...because, your laughable claim is, and I quote:

...but by the time Bush became president, THEY WHERE GONE, the UN had already confirmed there was nothing left

Then how do you explain all these democrats saying Saddam DID have WMD's in 2002, you know, when Bush was president?

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seing and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have alway s underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

Darn those pesky facts! Wow looks like the dems were certain Saddam had weapons in 2002 and 2003, huh?

Clinton didn't invade Iraq.

Thank you captain obvious. You're a genius.

I know it's hard for you to understand that Democrats aren't to blame for everything that Republicans actually did, but that's a fact.

I know it's hard for you to understand that the democrats VOTED for Iraq, but the FACT is, they actually did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

Clinton and his friends as you refer to them believed Bush when Bush said that they had infallible evidence, as it turns out from a drunken German, that Sadam had purchased yellow cake uranium from the nation of Niger! Too many people believed their lies! Too many lives were lost.

That's why Cheney and Skooter Libby sacrificed and outed Wilson's wife Valerie Plame, a CIA operative specializing in that area, because she sent Wilson to investigate and Wilson in a NY Times article stated that the yellow cake story was not true. By then.....we were at war.

Clinton and his friends as you refer to them believed Bush when Bush said that they had infallible evidence, as it turns out from a drunken German, that Sadam had purchased yellow cake uranium from the nation of Niger! Too many people believed their lies! Too many lives were lost.

Vera, what "evidence" were Clinton, Albright and Berger believing back in 1998? Funny how no one wants to address this.

How was Bush, or ANYONE else supposed to believe, or NOT believe any intel given to them when Saddam kicked out the inspectors in 1998? Why don't any of you revisionist-history-rewriters answer this question? EVERYONE (including the dems) believed in the years that Saddam wouldn't let the UN inspectors do their jobs, that he was developing WMDs. Funny how the left wants to forget these inconvenient facts.

Are you surprised? I am not surprised.

We have forgiven many loans, including such countries as France for WWII rebuild. They, France isn't a third world country. They own all kinds of interests here in the states. Perhaps your too young to remember De Gaulles remarks about returning this and his atitude towards the US and our sacrifices for their country.

As above if Israel can't help us in other regional conflicts, they have no business giving such rediculous allegations as the president is snubbing the prime minister, or expecting more from us. Let them deal with this issue if they want to start a war.

really: i agree. why do we continually prop them up.i think having us as freinds gives them courage to run rampant.if it is the "holy land" and they are "chosen" people,cut them loose.no money no weapons no protection.let god watch over them.lets see some faith in action.

Radical muslims upset about Pastor Terry's movie stormed the embassy, not Egypt. Egypt is a central point for peace in the region. Are the neo hawks now suggesting we don't need Egypt either? May God keep them from power, please!

A US official has been killed and others wounded in Libya as an armed mob protesting over a film they said offended Islam attacked the US consulate in Benghazi.

And the same happened in Cairo, Egypt. So why do we support them?

Should we drop support for Egypt, the only middle east country that has a formal peace plan with Israel, based on the action of some radicals?

All this is to help Israel. He has to placate them so they will not attack Israel when Israel attacks Iran.

Get it together folks! Before Israel can attack Iran, the US will have secure an agreement with all the other Middle Eastern countries that they will not attack Israel in return. Most of these countries have no relationship with Israel already, so Israel could not do this for itself. Even though some of them hate Iran but the will sooner join with Iran than Israel. So Bibby had better not be in such a hurry to go to war or he might be at war with the whole Middle East.

Actually, politics make strange bedfellows.

Sunni and Shea hate each other just as much as they hate Jews, and some of the Sunni governments just might be scared enough of Iran to work with Israel.

You might want to check on Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates.

Israel does not have to wait.

If they strike, they are automatically covered.

Like it or not.

Obama is smart not to meet with Netanyahu at this time. He has sent many members of his administration to Israel to allay their fears, convince them we have their back, and even include them in our war plans should it come to that. Meeting with Netanyahu now would only serve the appearance that Obama is allowing another leader to dictate his policy.

Netanyahu and Romney go way back, college days. Could it be Netanyahu is playing a game of brinkmanship to aide Romney's aspirations? One has to wonder...

Israel is our buffer in the middle east.

Why is that so hard for some people to understand?

They are first line defense for the US in the region.

All they want is to be left alone.

BUT if there is a threat, they are the ones who act first.

Israel cannot help with conflicts against other Arab Nations since they all want to destroy Israel. What would have happened if Israel intervened in Iraq or Afghanistan?

Isreal is capable.

And they use force only when needed.

No one will touch Israel.

But Iran, if it is not stopped.

Same thing that happened when America was founded by wars on how many different fronts? The difference it made is how many governments have threatened to attack our homeland after we've shown how we react? And how many threaten to attack Israel on a daily basis?

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Israel is our first line of defense in the region??? ROFLMFAO. What have you been smoking? Name one time they have EVER done anything FOR us, as opposed to attacking the USS Liberty or some other self serving action.

They keep Iran at bay.

And the Liberty was a mistake.

The Liberty was a mistake.

Just like our helping out a country that insists it could do just fine without is. There economy is doing just great so we give them over 8 million dollars PER DAY.

For what?

The next thing you will be telling me is that we the US are giving millions and millions of dollars to these highly profitable oil companies?

We are doing what?

The US needs to stop giving money to companies and other countries. Period.

Israel wants to attack Iran? Great. Go for it. Fight your own battles and pay your own bills.

Israel is like another poster said...They are like the "friend" that shows up, drinks all your beer, eats all your food, sleeps till 3pm on the couch after watching TV all night and makes you wonder why again they are your friend.

The US needs Israel like a fish needs a bicycle.

Their economy

Vready, you need a refresher in history if you are suggesting that the attack on the USS LIberty was a mistake.

The Israelis knew exactly why and what they were attacking. It was a mistake in the sense that they displayed what sort of friend they were. We should have severed all aid to them right then. but the vast jewish american contingent here wouldn't allow it.

Imagine you are a citizen of Florida and the UN comes along and says your land now belongs to the Cubans that have been "displaced" by Castro.

Precisely what happened to the Palestinians. Just substitute displaced European Jews for Cubans.

And to think the Palestinians had the gall to be upset!

A US official has been killed and others wounded in Libya as an armed mob protesting over a film they said offended Islam attacked the US consulate in Benghazi.

And the same happened in Cairo, Egypt. And why do we continue to send them billions of our money?

Total U.S. aid to Israel is approximately one-third of the American foreign-aid budget, even though Israel comprises just .001 percent of the world's population and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes. Indeed, Israel's GNP is higher than the combined GNP of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, the West Bank and Gaza. With a per capita income of about $14,000, Israel ranks as the sixteenth wealthiest country in the world; Israelis enjoy a higher per capita income than oil-rich Saudi Arabia and are only slightly less well-off than most Western European countries.

Since 1949 the U.S. has given Israel a total of $83.205 billion. The interest costs borne by U.S. tax payers on behalf of Israel are $49.937 billion, thus making the total amount of aid given to Israel since 1949 $133.132 billion. This may mean that U.S. government has given more federal aid to the average Israeli citizen in a given year than it has given to the average American citizen.

U.S. government officials argue that this money is necessary for "moral" reasons-some even say that Israel is a "democracy battling for its very survival." If that were the real reason, however, aid should have been highest during Israel's early years, and would have declined as Israel grew stronger. Yet "the pattern...has been just the opposite." According to Zunes, "99 percent of all U.S. aid to Israel took place after the June 1967 war, when Israel found itself more powerful than any combination of Arab armies...."

Israel has a lot of bankers friends in America. and some probably make and sell sell weapons and wouldn't mind doing a little business. And being in America is much safer than being in Israel, next to Iran. I think Netanyahu should just know that America will do or is doing what's right for Israel if need be. I'm sure Israel has air missile defense capabilities in case of a nuclear strike and if Iran was to do anything stupid they'd be erased off the face of the earth. And the rest is all sowing circle talk.

You are proving my point exactly. Do you even know when Israel was founded, or by who, how, and why? I have nothing against Israeli or Jewish people, but they don't belong there. They founded their state the most hostile place they could, and they expect the rest of the world to bail them out and help the stay secure there. America was founded by the colonists fighting against several races, civilizations, and countries from the eastern sea, the north, the west, the south. We did receive help from the French but that was France's own decision out of fear England would control the Americas. I'm not saying the U.S. should turn a blind a eye, but why do we have to take the lead in solving Israel's problem that they created for themselves? We are tired of wars, economic struggles, and losing our loved ones on a daily basis.

Hey critic, if you truly believe we have 'turned a blind eye to Israel', then you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about. I'm not even gonna attempt to school ya on everything we have done to give them aid and ensure their security, because I believe you would turn a blind eye on any facts.

Try keeping up with the news.... We have done more Israel than any other nation on earth, and those policies have been ongoing for the last four years.

I bet you would be pulling for Iran!

The Neocons would love for Israel to drag us into another war in the Middle East. If we are drawn into a war via an Israeli strike on Iran these fools should be the first ones to march on the front line!

You mean, "neocons" like Hillary Clinton when she said the US would "obliterate" Iran if they attacked Israel?

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/apr2008/iran-a24.shtml

Wow! Hillary's a neocon. You learn something new every day!

Yes thats it Obama is not a pawn of Israel like Bush was. Obama is only a pawn to all the failed countries of the so-called Arab Spring.....what a joke. Oh and by the way how sensitive was it for the idiots in Egypt to rip up the US flag and try to storm our embassy on 9/11? That's what I thought, dolts.

100% with ya jarhead! I could not have said it better.

Marine that sounds nice , but we have a leaderless president that doesn't understand the ramifications of not being diplomatic, possibly WW3 esp. when the world looks to America for leadership Obama turns his back and acts like a temperamental guyyyy. The Jewish State is saying what line have you drawn , date, sanctions aren't working, if Iran doesn't respond to the pleads of the UN where do we go ?and Obama turns his back.

America will be drawn into the war any way our oil comes from that region, Iran said it would hit US targets if it attacked, Russia said it would get involved , Obama has shown no leadership in light of the seriousness of this matter maybe he feels it will go away,America needs to do is something instead of nothing to let the world know where we stand.

America leaderless, unsure, and adrift since 2008 ....

Russia says attacking Iran would be "disastrous": Ifax
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MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia warned Israel and other nations not to attack Iran over its nuclear program, saying the use of force would be disastrous for the Middle East and have consequences far beyond the region, the Interfax news agency reported on Thursday.
"We warn those who are no strangers to military solutions ... that this would be harmful, literally disastrous for regional stability and would set off deep shocks in the security and economic spheres that would reverberate far beyond the boundaries of the Middle East region," Interfax quoted Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov as saying.

Should we really be worried about what Russia thinks. Aren't they the country supplying Assad with weapons to kill his own people. Russia is NOT our friend.

No one is booing god or Israel.....

communists? Really McCarthy?

Yes, the democrats did boo God being put in the platform. LIAR

mutually assured destruction

LOL listening to Megadeth are we?

The day that any country uses a nuclear weapon on the US will be the last day of its existence. The American public would tolerate no less, and would seek to impeach any president who did not respond with the full might of the military.

On the other hand, it would be far easier for Iran (or any other country) to sell a nuclear weapon to a terrorist group who can then try to smuggle it into the US and detonate it on US soil. While the investigation and manhunt would be the most intense in history, the possibility is that Iran might try to get away with it, figuring they would have deniability.

It could be the last day of our existence. Duh.

what an act of blatant Anti-Americanism and disrespect, for Netanyahu to insult our nation like he did on 9/11. He has no respect for Americans, or for our mourning. None whatsoever. Then again, right after 9/11 happened, he crowed about how 9/11 was "good for Israeli" - it "benefitted Israel". Sickening!

I'm sick and tired of Anti-American countries always with their hands out for our money and our military help. No more American troops dying overseas! Enough!

Michael - A nuclear bomb has a signature. Your scenario is plain idiotic. Ir an doesan't have a bomb and isn't working on a bomb, according to all our intelligence agencies.

Exactly right: If anyone doubts our being a lap dog for Israel,they need to google and read HR 4133. We constantly put Israeli interest before our own people. Israelis enjoy free education, universal health care, low to 0% home loans and many benefits that are too good for the American tax payers. Get the Israeli lobby out of our country. We need to be addressing the problems of our own people.

Netanyahu and Romney have a business history and are quite friendly. Netanyahu is saber rattling during a critical time in his friend's political campaign. Danny Danon (Israeli Knessett) was on Morning Joe today. He stated the US has not been supportive of Israel. This is not just bluster. It's politically calculated to muddy the waters and to influence the presidential race in Romney's favor.

Michael L,

I agree with you one hundred percent. However they would need to make this a law or constitutional change and it should also be worded that the members of congress children are drafted and sent into combat with others not some easy paper pushing job. George W. who was so passionate about Iraq yet his daugthers were vacationing in Greece while our military men and women were risking their lives for these tramps. His Tramps should have been forced to spend 40 hours a week volunteering at Walter Reed so they could witness first hand their piss ant fathers devestation to our military men and women who lost body parts,became blind or could not ever walk again thanks to their bastard fathers war for his miserable daddy.

Get real the Democrats will cry for days if anyone wants to make military service mandatory,it should have never been stopped , maybe we wouldn't have all these problems with gangs, crime,ect.

violence is your only answer because your just like any right winger. the most powerful man of all time defeated the Great English Empire with no weapons at all. He brought the queen to her knees, His name was Gandhi. the most powerful weapon we have is unity, which is why republicans keep us divided.

At least if you're a super wealthy republican you can simply avoid any draft by doing missionary work in France. Anyone notice none of his sons found it necessary to perform missionary work when there's no draft but Willard had to spend 31 months at it despite his pro Vietnam war stance? Apparently this missionary work is only essential when there's a war on.

Larry your comments are like all liberals one side and devoide of facts or intelligence. What great works for charity are any of the Obama's doing? We elect a president we do not demonize his children so please grow up and develope some character!

Amen Michael my family has served, deployed to Iraq and Afganistan will have to admit Joe Bidens son also served but if we go to war again we do need a draft Let all Americans do thier part not just the middle class and the poor

It seems that every time there is a blow up in the world the NeoCons get a testosterone rush and send other people's children to war.

If we had a draft you'd be able to hear the Neo-Cons trampling over everyone's heads to get their kids deferments from serving. The thought of their beloved children looking into the business end of an enemy's weapon would be too much for them to handle.

As the proud daughter of a man who was a prisoner of war in a German camp my dad hated war and the thought of sending anyone's child into harms way unnessarily. Most of the NeoCons have never served at all. They have never suffered personal grief in this regard and perhaps that is why it is so easy for them to think of war as a remedy of first resort. It's so easy to be a Chicken Hawk!!