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Iranian women shout anti-U.S. slogans in front of the Swiss embassy, which houses the U.S. interest section, in Tehran on Thursday. Reports from the Iranian capital said about 500 joined the protest of the Internet-circulated movie "Innocence of Muslims."
While the motivation behind the low-budget video "Innocence of Muslims" remains unclear, the reasons it has helped fuel attacks and protests at U.S. diplomatic missions in the Middle East and Africa are both emotional and political, experts say.
While it is true that images of Muhammad are not allowed in Islamic tradition, that doesn't explain the violent reaction, said Hassan Shibly, an imam and civil rights lawyer in Florida who works for the Council on American Islamic Relations.
The reason for the prohibition in the Quran was that Muhammad wanted to discourage idolatry, he explained.
"The Islamic tradition forbade depictions of any prophet or any holy people so that people throughout the years don’t start worshipping the prophet," Shibly said. "God is supposed to be the focus, not Muhammad or Jesus or anyone else."
Images of God, whom Muslims call Allah, also are not allowed because Muhammad believed that no picture could capture the creator, Shibly said. This is why the walls of mosques are typically decorated with abstract art and calligraphy.
The film, which has been blamed for fueling protests at U.S. diplomatic posts, including the violence at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that left four Americans dead, and Danish cartoons that caused so much protest in 2005 caused outrage among Muslims because they were seen as ridiculing or criticizing the prophet.
Actors and the assistant director of the film "Innocence of Muslims" told NBC News that the original spoken lines in the screenplay were dubbed over without their knowledge. NBC's Mike Taibbi reports.
"For Muslims, Muhammad is a sacred symbol," said John Esposito, a professor at Georgetown University. "Muhammad represents and embodies the religion of Islam. He’s not a god, but plays the role historically that Jesus played historically."
Images like these are now making their way, via the Internet to Muslim populations who have never before been exposed to sharp critiques of their faith, which also helps explain the level of anger they have stirred.
Esposito said the reaction resembles those in the West earlier in history.
He pointed to the uproar over 1988 Hollywood film "The Last Temptation of Christ." Director Martin Scorsese's adaptation of a book by the same name showed Jesus struggling with lust, depression and doubt, and engaging in sex — in his imaginings — before snapping back to reality and dying on the cross. That movie was seen as blasphemy by some Christians, who — though not violent — were vocal enough to prevent the film from being shown in many parts of the United States.
Shibly stressed that there is no justification for the violence that took the lives of the four Americans in Libya, including U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens, on Tuesday. CAIR on Wednesday issued a call for Muslims to ignore what it called the "trashy" anti-Islam film and has condemned the killings.
"It’s so hypocritical for (the attackers) to do these acts in the name of the prophet Muhammad,” said Shibly. "Muhammad didn’t win over his enemies by violence, he did so through compassion."
However, he says that insults to Muhammad hurt deeply.
"Muslims love the prophets of god more than we love our own parents, more than we love ourselves," said Shibly. "When people attack Muhammad, it definitely hurts us on an emotion level. But, that said, it doesn’t justify the violence. That’s just totally unacceptable."
"Innocence of Muslims" features wooden acting, poor dubbing, awkward sexual moments and ham-fisted insults, with none of the production values of "The Last Temptation of Christ," or any serious exploration of Islam. Experts said it would almost certainly have remained obscure had it not ignited the protests and violence after being circulated in Arabic via the Internet.
So far, it remains unclear who produced the film, and who funded it. Initially, the maker was identified as an Israeli-American man identified as Sam Bacile. But by Thursday, published reports were suggesting that it was the work of a group of anti-Islam Christians.
The latest reporting suggests that Bacile is actually Egyptian-born Coptic Christian named Nakoula Basseley who lives in the Los Angeles area. The Copts are a minority in Egypt, and often victims of discrimination in the majority Muslim country, as well as attacks by extremists.
In a geopolitical context, said Esposito, the film plays right into the hands of extremists in the region who are using anti-American sentiment to advance their own goals.
"What we have here, and it’s significant symbolically ... on or around 9/11 (anniversary), two terrorist or extremist attacks in Benghazi and in Cairo. … They are attacking symbols of the U.S. They are playing to a population. … It would be anti-American, but (they are) using this (video) to legitimize what they are doing."
Shibly also wonders if the film itself was produced or circulated strategically to stir up well-known sensitivities.
"The sad thing is these people are doing it on purpose," he said. "And unfortunately these Muslims fell right into the trap."
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It's okay to put a cross in urine though
That's because it is not blasphemy against Allah under Obama law
uh..no. It's because in the US we respect your right to voice opinions, no matter how vile and disgusting they are.
What if Islam was the only religion in the world? They would fight without reservations or care who they harm and kill in the process.
What if main stream Christianity was the only religion in the world? We would still have wars and violence. Remember the inquisition and crusades?
What if Athiests ruled the world? Remember Kmer Rouge and Mao? Smoked MILLIONS
What if everyone lived by the Bible? True Peace and Security! Utopia!
All I see are easily manipulated tools.
Makes me want to make Mohammed movie, just because.
Yup...Blaspheme is for those of faith. I don't have to show respect, follow the rules of other faiths and their mythical sky fairies.
If the Muslims respected other countries and their rights and beliefs, we wouldn't have this problem except for the political swine who wish to propagandize everything with mercenaries during protests.
But, killing Americans because some American utilized his right of Freedom of Speech (the movie) shows that the Muslims don't respect any Americans, or the American Constitution!
So I choose NOT TO RESPECT Muslims and any of their feelings in the Middle East! I will take an ignorant page out of their ignorance and apply it to them!
That is how the Muslims work in the Middle East. No respect, little if any education about anything other than their religion and their society. No education about the USA and it's constitution regarding Freedom and Liberty for all.. Why would they ever care when they don't have any respect for other cultures like ours?!!
Their education is the problem in the Middle East. To many anal retentive conservatives, no change.
Talk about rewriting history. Mohammad spread islam by attacking other arab tribes and killing anybody who didnt convert to his "compassion." Just like the Christians did. And I dont consider it idolatry for non-muslims to depict Mo. Not much chance of a non-muslim being led to idolizing him because of that. This all comes back to the fact that islam was created to 'correct' the corrupted religion known as christianity, as they saw it.
YO! BTGisdone:
Re: your statment about 'what if atheists "ruled" the world'...
You seem to forget that the vast majority of the millions who already have been "smoked" were "smoked" by religionists of one stripe or another. So please don't equate atheism with "smoking".
Also, please do remember that during the era when the Catholic Church "ruled" much of Europe, said Catholic Church devised truly cruel and barbarous tortures for those who dared to resist the teachings of the Catholic Church.
Religion ain't exactly what it claims to be....not by a long shot.
I thought the article failed to identify why this anger turns into violence. A better reason given on NPR is that the notion of free speech was non-existant in Libya and Egypt for many decades. Everything carried on the airwaves was government approved. The mindset of many is that, since this film originated in America, it is the consensus of all America. It is much like those who post here and say "all Muslims behave in this manner," so the rioters were thinking "All Americans behave in this manner." And while it is true that we aim our bombs with great precision and they bomb more randomly, if you are keeping score, we kill a lot more of them than they kill of us. In fact, we kill more collaterally (for which we are sorry about that) than they kill collaterally.
The truth is that there are extremists and misleaders. We have our own extremists and misleaders; they have theirs. Unfortunately, all too often, the victims are those of us in the middle who are not wacko haters. The best thing to do is for us to condemn our wacko haters and their moderates to condemn their wacko haters, and try to limit the spread of wacko hating.
trouble,
'It's okay to put a cross in urine though"
Our government just provides funding for the arts; it does not act as an art critic or determine what goes into or does not go into our art museums, and that is how it should be.
How about the 100's of millions smoked by Atheists in the USSR, China and Cambodia?
Seems atheists are as bad as theists.
noncoms "The mindset of many is that, since this film originated in America, it is the consensus of all America"
kind of like how dave feels about ALL MUSLIMS
Dave Simpson "But, killing Americans because some American utilized his right of Freedom of Speech (the movie) shows that the Muslims don't respect any Americans, or the American Constitution!"
it shows that THESE SPECIFIC MUSLIMS are ignorant and lack respect...not all muslims.
and reading lots of posts by lots of other americans since this happened (and even about stuff that happened in the past) tells me that american christian and middle eastern muslims apparently arent that different when it comes to blind hatred and ignorance.
stupid is as stupid does...we just send our govt over with planes and bombs, they dont have that at their disposal, so they just raid the closest thing american and torch it, or blow it up with a suicide vest.
it really isnt much difference...we're just more sophisticated in how we carry out our ignorance and hate...and we're richer too, so we can just drone bomb them all day long - based on what a handful of OTHER muslims did...
A big time work for choral groups throughout the world is the "Mendelssohn Elijah." In it Elijah dares the Baal worshipers to call upon their God and take their offering. This leads to lotsa loud singing. After Elijah wins the contest, he has his followers kill all the Prophets of Baal without a second thought. Nothing warms the heart as much as singing praises to an Old Testament Fascist. The music is good though.
Dave Simpson - You appear to be condemning all Muslims in your statement. That is the same as condemning all Christians for the video created by a ex-con Coptic Christian. There are lots of patriotic, American Muslims who actually fight for America and are our neighbor Americans.
Why? The answer is obvious, because Muslims are animals.
Sickos murdered innocent people...end of story.... spinning it any other way and you have a political or ideological agenda.
If you think a movie, or god is responsible, you are as much of an idiot as those who did the killings.
wj, I believe that the Prophets of Baal were killed because they had practiced human sacrifice.
Still doesn't justify murder. What a difference in cultures regardless of the religion. These third world sand pits do not deserve an ounce of our sympathy or aid. We should leave them to rot. Religion has nothing to do with the choice an individual makes as to how they should respond to an aggresive or insulting act. Even if the act of violence was commited by one the culture as a whole supports it through innaction. What if the U.S ambassador was an American Muslim? Would that have made a difference? Middle easterners hate America, It's people and everything about it beacause their cultures breed and dictate hate and violence. There are muslims in every country in the world but where do the acts of violence keep occuring. It's culture not religion.
@ trouble, # 1
Yep, that's what makes us different than them.
They cannot engage in political discourse, and their faith cannot take a little heat without their going beserk.
A complete article? Why not just say because they are backward people who are not fit for the civilized world yet. I don't care what they say, or what the Koran says, the violence they engage in shows us what their faith is all about, and the respect or lack thereof it deserves.
Just another poor excuse to kill, burn buildings and loot. What a pathetic group of humans. To kill for any reason beside protecting your family is wrong. To kill over a movie, cartoon or any other form of going against the cult of muslims is about as second grade as it gets. This crap reminds me of a bunch of non-thinking zombies that just kill for no reason at all. What a shame...
And still the libs don't get it. These nuts weren't upset about the movie, they were planning on doing this anyway and this was just an excuse. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that violence on 9/11 is a commemoration of violence on 9/11. That's the problem we have in the WH, they have spent more effort chastising the makers of the clip than they have condemning the violence against America. Heck, Hillary was apologizing for freedom of speech. Really pathetic. Fortunately, the next president knows how to be an American President. Romney's response was terrific and right on. Didn't know he had it in him. To bad the "mainstream media" is more interested in getting Obama re-elected than we getting at the truth. Now that the cat is out of the bag on them, no one will believe them again.
WHERE IS THE president???
........Our fearless leader, the chosen one, the messiah --only has the Barney Fife type of security....Americans can only shoot beanbags.. not even a bullet in the pocket...ask the parents of dead Agent Brain Terry!!
If armed Marines had of been the security, the headlines would be...Americans kill, rape and mutilate defenseless children and women...Ask Jon Kerry about his lies to congress in 1971!!!!. Anti-Americans show up in many forms...ETERNAL VIGILANCE is required and all due caution afforded by our leaders!!!!
Our fearless leader, the chosen one, the messiah --only has the Barney Fife type of security(except for himself)....Americans can only shoot beanbags.. not even a bullet in the pocket...ask the parents of dead HERO -Agent Brain Terry!!
If armed Marines had of been the security, the headlines would be...Americans kill, rape and mutilate defenseless children and women...Ask Jon Kerry ( UNFIT FOR COMMAND) about his lies to congress in 1971!!!!. Anti-Americans show up in many forms...ETERNAL VIGILANCE is required and all due caution expected to be afforded by our leaders!!!! THAT is too much to ask of the Chicago MOB!!!
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"Our government just provides funding for the arts; it does not act as an art critic or determine what goes into or does not go into our art museums, and that is how it should be."
If you fund something, you are supporting it.
Who gives a crap what the Koran says. Not me. And muslim believers have no say in what I think, see, feel, and watch. I insult you and your Prophet Mohamed if I want.
Damn! That last line made me spit my evening coffee!
Its stupid when anyone commits violence against people that werent even involved in the event that they disliked to begin with. As to blaming all muslims or all christians etc, there is enough blame for everyone. Many muslims had their own crusades just like the catholics, and the protestants had the salem witch burnings, of course the atheists had hitler. In the end what we have is a total disregard for anyone not like ourselves. Right now in america its the gay rights/ conservative, illegal immigrant, legal immigrant etc. There is always an excuse for violence. However I will always say this one, ANY CREATOR that is not evil would never have one of its creations murder the other creation for any reason less than survival. People often try to take the tiny bit of information in the bible such as Elijah and Baal and assume they know not only the full truth of something thousands ago that we barely have paragraphs of information to judge with, but also are as all knowing and all seeing as the God that ordered something we would consider wrong.
Being christian I would have to say that I believe in God and that he cares and is good, and that if he ordered a deed I consider to be evil, that perhaps there is more to the story than the tiny portion I know. The same time I would say that if I were muslim I would never accept that my God be he Allah being a good being and a creator, would ever tell me to hurt my fellow creations. Plain and simple he would want them converted, and you cannot convert the dead. That is unless its the zombie apocolypse and the zombies can be converted.
The problem is that there is too much hatred in the world ane we are all too easily incited to violence given the right recipe for hatred. Right now the world is in a mess and there is plenty of already existing anger and some cruel evil people pretending to be muslims are inciting the people that are hurting angry muslims into a riot. Once a frenzy starts its usually easier to add flames to the fire, than to put it out. Its just like the FFRF group constantly going after christians. They are just fuel to the liberal/conservative fire in america. They dont go after statues of Atlas, Zeus, Poseidon, etc yet claim christianity to be mythology. So either they are prejudice against christians, liars, or bigots. Personally I feel that if they dont want christians in america, give us our own Israel, let us leave and see whats left of this country without us. I forsee alot more drugs, crime, hatred, greed, lust, and all the things christians in their imperfect lives struggle against. I dont know where they will turn for charity when a disaster hits since 80% of it is christian, but I'd rather just be given somewhere to live as a christian and let them have their hate to themselves.
Sadly this is everywhere right now. Everyone is fighting against everyone else either for politics, religion, nationality, legality, race, sex, or something. I really dont want to fight, but to be left alone and allowed the right to live in peace, however that wont happen as long as someone else thinks my peace offends them. It seems that since we are bothering each other no matter what we do, its only a matter of time before it explodes in our faces internationally again and we have another world war or something. I hope not for all our sakes.
Muslims worldwide need to grow a thicker skin.
If they do not, then perhaps they can look forward to a blast of the best from the west, with tasteless cartoons and videos ridiculing these supposed sentitivities. Right now they are 'inviting' cartoons and videos showing their prophet doing and saying all manner of nasty things to children and domestic animals.
They bring their faith into disrepute with their acts of gross cowardice and mob violence.
Yes i look forward to the wave of better made mo hummid movies. Lets pull out of the middle east,now.
Muslims are the first ones to rape and pillage at the drop of a hat or cartoon. Why do we keep trying to friend these whack jobs. If we use the technology we have and just flatten a few of these hot beds it would make the world a lot safer. Instead we let new generations of extremist grow. Somebody wake up our Government please.
The sleeping Giant is off riding a Unicorn or something.
dont these people have jobs or families to support it seems to me these people have way to much time on their hands and are constantly rioting about something . I dont say protest because these idiots are violent .
Americans did not make this movie it was coptics from eygpt , so why are american flags being torn up/set on fire / americans being killed ........ leads me to believe these people are truely the worst of the worst.
hey muslims GROW UP , educate yourselves , get jobs and start treating each other and others with respect . Your killing each other off ........... you will become extinct ..........well maybe that could be a good thing cause you are all way to violent and I am tired of having to explain to my grandson why your killing yourselves off/ have no respect for women at all / and why you marry little girls / why you feel the need to mutilate your girls/women / why young peope are killed for listening and dancing to music/ why a muslim cleric would tear pages out of a koran and plant them on a 14 year old girl who is mentally impaired and on and on . I am really disgusted with muslims and thier religion it is not a peacefull religion it is a religion for men to do anything they want and get away with it .
That's ironic. You said in the US we respect the right of voicing opinions, only to immediately qualify that with how "vile and disgusting" some opinions are. You don't seem to have quite the respect for voicing opinions you disagree with. You mean to attack and silence these opinions, even as you speak of this principle of openness. Hence, "vile and disgusting."
So you disagree. It was the thought of "vile and disgusting" that grew a mob and murdered innocent citizens, not just the movie. You didn't kill people, but do you not see this hypocrisy?
I'm with Dev....don't these people have other things to do??? What kind of a boss excuses you to go down to the consulate and riot?
Oh yeah, Go Muslim! Religion of peace!
It just makes you want to start a line of marketable Mohammed and Allah ragdolls, doesn't it, then send a ____ing case to all these idiot countries?
Actually we should market a toilet paper with each sheet embossed with a different verse from the Koran . . . showing that we can be just as intolerant as extremist Muslims.
When they stop burning and rioting, we will stop selling the Koranic toilet paper . . . fair deal?
Why does pictures and movies depicting Mohammed in a bad light inflame the Middle East. It's call inferiority complex. Islam is touted as the supreme religion of the world. The other religions are false according to their scriptures. What these pigs won't tell you is the truth about Mohammed's actual appearance. That's why you cannot have images of him. I have seen an old engraving and it was not flattering. He was one ugly bugger. Of course they want to compare him to the Son of God, Jesus Christ. And we all know that would be the ultimate insult. So lets compare the messenger to Jesus.
Jesus converted his followers by free will alone. Mohammed gave you a choice. Pay Tax, convert, or die.
Jesus did not own slaves. Mohammed did.
Jesus did not call dark skin people (blacks) names. Mohammed called them "Raisin Heads."
Jesus wants to have a personal relationship with his believers. Mohammed believes that's blasphemy and not possible.
Jesus went to prepare a place for us in heaven. Mohammed on earth prepared living hell to his subjects.
Jesus died for our sins on the cross to wash us of those sin. Mohammed says not so fast, sins cannot be washed away.
Jesus believes that deeds alone does not guarantee you paradise. Mohammed believes you can murder your way to paradise if necessary.
Jesus does promise you 72 virgins. Mohammed says those virgins are there and go to the most righteous.
Jesus practice tolerance to all peoples of the book. Mohammed does not believe in the book.
Jesus received his message from the father. Mohammed received his message in a cave, claiming that the Archangel Gabriel spoke to him.
We made propaganda posters in WW2 when we turned our attention to Japan. But nowadays everythings so damned politically correct. Sick and tired of giving a **** about these Arabs. FIX YOUR COUNTRY YOURSELFS and let us fix ours by focusing on home and getting the creative juices flowing again. RON PAUL
If only we can see the same effort from the protester against those Muslims that crash planes into building, strap bombs to their bodies, and blow whomever they please. Instead we see them protest a cartoon or film that someone decided to make up. Analyze this: Think back to when no one knew how to write and read, it was many gods that humans believed in; their knowledge base was limited. There are a lot of Muslims that are highly educated, don't blow themselves up, contribute to society and only take the best information that the Koran provides. Then, there are Muslims that need to get educated; there is so much to learn about life, and all the things around. Those Muslims lacking an education need to do something constructive, not destructive, stop listening to those uneducated imam that know only hate and follow the Koran to the letter. The bible like the Koran has many words in it, and highly educated people do not followed those text to the letter, they use only the content that makes life peaceful and better; then discard the rest. i.e. In the 21st century with the amount of info we now know, society should not do an eye for eye or kill people because they run their mouth.
While I get the part about Muslims not wanting pictures of Allah or Mohammed because of Idolatrous reasons...the problem I have is that you can make an Idol without images. When PBUH 'Peace be upon him' is recited every time someone refers to prophet Mohammed...that seems like Idol-try to me.
How is wishing "peace" upon someone the same as idolatry? Showing respect to the memory of someone isn't the same as worshiping that person. Many people think of departed loved ones and wish them peace and happiness in whatever kind of afterlife they envision.
My problem with all of this is the immature mentality that some Muslims seem to have. One obscure person in America does something that they don't like, and they throw tantrums and run to "daddy", in this case, demanding that the President of the United States do "something" about what "so and so" did. That's ridiculous. Keep in mind that not all Muslims think like this. Many in Libya and elsewhere are greatly embarrassed by, and apologetic for, the behavior of these thugs.
I think you have a group of people looking for any excuse to be angry and violent, so the movies and cartoons are merely their excuse. If it wasn't that it would be something else. This way they can blame others for their inappropriate outbursts. Islam is a religion of violence and dominance, and the sooner we all realize that and quit trying to appease them, the better off and more secure we will be.
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You missed one
Jesus only got nailed once in his life and that was to a Cross
lol
Why films and cartoons of Muhammad spark violence- Because fundamentalist Islamists are f**king idiots made bat $h*t crazy from living in a G*D D@MN oven !!
I'm sorry if that offends the easily offended, but I have NO USE for anyone who resorts to violence because they discover not everyone agrees with their particular beliefs !! Of course, from what I've seen from a half century on this rock, it doesn't take much to set off Jihadists and if it weren't cartoons or movies, there's no doubt it would be something !!
More muslim apologist claptrap from MSNBC.
They try to justify how these islamic jackasses act by saying there was vocal protest when "The Passion of The Christ" came out, but only give an "oh, by the way it wasn't violent".
That's right, muslim sympathizers, the protest wasn't violent, because Christianity isn't based on violence the way islam is.
Jesus Christ was the son of God, a man of peace, who preached tolerance and love. Muhammed was a pedophile and murderer, a man who preached violence and terror, just like his followers today.
It's simple. These ignorant neanderthals still live in the 12th-14th century. Remember at that time we Christians burnt people at the stake as well as every book we could find. We grew out of our ignorance and church dominated violence. We embraced human dignity, rights and freedom...including the rights of women and all races. These guys, or little mental juvenile boys, need to grow up and join the 21st century. BTW the apologists need to address the real issue...they are neanderthals...not saintly religious zealots! There can be no explanation or rationaliztion for their actions...murder is murder.
I never saw any apology. Do you think the film was good? Just saying.
"Muhammad didn’t win over his enemies by violence, he did so through compassion." - Shibly
These are the teachings of Mohammed: "On unbelievers is the curse of Allah."
"Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter."
"Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme."
"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it."
So....
"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed and tolerance with them. ... We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant." - Karl Popper
Many are. They are indoctrinated from birth into their own culture, just as we are, but many have no education and many cannot even read the Qur'an but are dependent on imams to tell them what to believe.
However, ignorance isn't the problem. Stupidity is the problem. Stupid people are easily manipulated into a violent frenzy by those who aren't so stupid. It has nothing at all to do with education or exposure to modern Western ideology. Look at how many young Americans enlisted to die in the desert sand at the behest of an alcoholic egomaniac. You can say they were young and easily influenced, but where were their parents and grandparents? Incredibly, they were egging them on and crowing about how proud it made them. Putting little bumper-stickers on their cars while their own children were slaughtered for the likes of Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfield.
Neanderthals? Seems we should have less excuse than people who have never learned to read and write.
Stupid crosses all cultures, religions, geography, and centuries.
because what it was in that movie or cartoons true about the life of mohmed, that is why it hurts so it turn to violence instead of answering back
Yes... and that would be art in this case. The NEA has also provided funds for displays of religious art; they don't discriminate which religion or how it depicts religion or what.... it just funds 'art' in general...
So long as it is billed as art, displayed as art, referred to as art, and treated as art.... it's just art. It's not going up in some courthouse, it's not some looming religious or anti-religious symbol over a public park.... when the message a display conveys stays within the realm of artistic expression - and doesn't become an icon of endorsement, then it stays in the appropriate realm.
Mr Tom-
I was with you until the third paragraph. Religion is their excuse for violence. They may have been offended by the video but that was just an excuse that we can wrap our heads around. The truth is they hate us. They have been taught to hate us from birth and don't live in a country where they are encouraged to think for themselves. We need to wake up and stop trying to win them over as friends. They aren't. They hate us.
because Islam lives in the 4th CENTURY....... the earth is flat, women are tools, & murder is all in the name of another.....
And we couldn't care less, if they didn't have oil!
darciesdaddy,
"If you fund something, you are supporting it."
I think that goes without saying, but what is your point? Are you saying the government should not support the arts?
Cassandra... didn't know that about Baal worshipers. But did that justify Elijah inciting a massacre or at the least mob rule at Kishon's brook? Is there something in the water south of the Mediterranean that drives crowds to overreaction even now? I have little use for religions but do recognize that they play a large part in people's identities and with that should not be mocked. Unfortunately, we constantly find ourselves caught in a crossfire of bat-crap crazy fundamentalists and the first reaction is to drag them down to Kishon's brook.
(please note that the theology express is from a 19th century Oratorio and not the Bible which I cannot read without becoming upset after just a few sentences.)
Ignorance, pure and simple... Over a billion ignorant, uneducated, uncivilized people who live in the dark ages...
It's called a peaceful religion? That a bunch of poo.... Do any off them work? and is our tax money supporting this kind of action?
wje37fcsm,
"(please note that the theology express is from a 19th century Oratorio and not the Bible which I cannot read without becoming upset after just a few sentences.)"
I think you may have been reading the wrong parts of the Bible. I agree that there is a great deal of violence, sordid sex, bigotry and other unpleasantness in the Bible, but it also contains some of the most beautiful poetry and lofty thoughts that have ever been expressed. It's really a mixed bag.
Ron: Please don't insult the neanderthals!
Losmuertos - Don't get me laughing now. LOL You did however miss a grammatical error I made when I said, "Jesus does promise you 72 virgins. Mohammed says those virgins are there and go to the most righteous." I meant to say, Jesus does not promise you 72 virgins.
That's a good point, no pun intended.
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Don’t get you laughing? Why on earth not? It’s good for you, you know. Why if more people in the world spent their time laughing they’d spend less time killing each other. As for your grammatical error, I guess it’d be too late to say I noticed it but didn’t consider to bring it up huh? Lol
Oh and personally I would have to say I don’t think Jesus never had sex, indeed personally I think he used to live next door to a brothel, after all how else could you account for him always being broke and going around saying “love thy neighbour”? lol
Why bikinis and revealing clothing against Muhammad spark sexual violence and make the victims responsible for the acts of their attackers in Islam
lilian101
Why?
You didn't say.
The biggest reason is that Muhammad told people to fight for their religion and to kill anyone who insults it.
The biggest reason is that muslims have a hard time distinguishing between fantasy and reality.
The biggest reason is they're stuck in the 7th century violence of their cult and batshyte crazy!
denver bill 2 yeah, it only took to Western Christians around 1800 years with the advent of the Enlightenment, Islam is less then 1400 years old, so just wait another 4 centuries.
This guy is an Imam and doesn't even read the Koran or Hadith. It seems the entire Muslim world is in denial of their own scriptures, except for people like Bin Laden who actually read and quote from it. The Koran is full of imperatives to attack, plunder, subjugate, enslave or kill unbelievers. From all accounts, including the Hadith, Mohammad was a spiritual warlord who commanded an army. I would say the radical Muslims are the ones who claim the compassion.
The practice of violence continued after the conquest of Arabia. Byzantium and the Persian Empire, the Levant North India and Spain were conquered by the compassion of a cold hard blade of sharpened steel, and nothing more compelling.
We've stopped being so naive Mr Hassan Shibly. Tell us the truth and address it. We don't want to hear your lies lest we lose trust altogether. There is justification clearly written in the Koran and Hadith for these acts considered deplorable by modern standards.
Address the truth but not with lies!
Charles the Hammerhead is correct.
The Koran and Hadith do actually contain the imperatives he lists, and Muhammad himself led armies of conquest from out of the Arabian Peninsula, ultimately conquering much of the Byzantine world, ancient Persia, North Africa, and even parts of southern and eastern Europe. Just google the Great Siege of Malta and the Ottoman capture of Otranto in Italy in 1480 by one of Mehmed II's pashas. In particular note the Otranto case where every surviving adult male (and these were regular people, not soldiers) had to swear fealty to Islam or suffer beheading as the Koran-prescribed punishment for infidels. Almost all of them refused, leading to the murder of 800 townspeople by beheading.
Luckily for western civilization, Don Juan of Austria led a victorious coalition navy over the Ottoman fleet at the Battle of Lepanto in 1571, turning them back for good.
ISLAM IS EVIL AND THE SCOURGE OF THE WORLD IN THE 21st CENTURY. WE MUST STAMP IT OUT OR IT WILL STAMP US OUT WHEN IT GETS THE ABILITY TO DO SO.
MONKEE see/MONKEeis do, uno.
This is what happens when you give technology to animals and barbarians.
Charles the Hammerhead hit the nail on the head, so to speak. Thank you Charles for correcting that bit of claptrap from the Imam.
The only thing that keeps Christians from killing in the name of God is the 6th Commandment.
Read your history. Arabs codified algebra in the 9th Century, and westerners copied it from them. Twenty centuries later they are copying (or buying) technology from us. So I would say we have progressed and they are stuck in neutral.
LOL.
So, your picture of some gung-ho American kid freshly enrolled in the ROTC and eagerly awaiting high-school graduation so he can go fight the ragheads doesn't include fundamental Christianity?
Nothing has ever stopped Christians from killing. They are as blood-thirsty and eager to murder as any other. They particularly enjoy committing acts of unspeakable torture on their victims before murdering them in the most painful way possible. Just read some history books, or follow the Christian doings in South Africa. Or doesn't any of that count?
The imam is just using another recommended tool: Lying to the 'infidels'.
If I'm not mistaken that's in their "holy" book along with the killing stuff.
I don't care what the hell your religion is. There's no excuse pertaining to religion that justifies burning down cities and killing people.
The sorry governments of the countries involved let religious agitators do what they want to do. The governments should provide security for foreign embassies and not let a film or cartoon be an excuse to stand by and watch anarchy.
Our Christian ancestors burnt plenty of people during the Inquisition, not to mention the Crusades. Islam is a younger faith, give it some time and more blood.
Islam and all religions are trash... it all starts with "I believe" which, IMMEDIATELY upon the use of that word, you cause CERTAIN CONFLICT with those who do NOT BELIEVE as you.
Religions of all forms are why we have wars or are excuses for war just like this whole article explains.
I believe this and if you do not I am going to persecute, deny, denounce, defame, slander and/or kill you until you BELIEVE what I think. Get it??? ...all religion sucks major donkey balls and Islam and Mohammed do the most SUCKING.
Go ahead and hate your brother. Go ahead and kill your friend. Do it in the name of heaven. You can justify it in the end.
When us AMERICANS are suspicious of a muslim our KISS A$$ IDIOT GOVERNMENT says we are RACIAL PROFILING! We are in fear of our lives because they are the RACE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING ALL THE KILLING ALL OVER THE WORLD!! And our UNPATRIOTIC GOVERNMENT says were profiling!!
I dont know why were in the middle east either.If its oil it would be cheaper in the long run to work on getting our own,here in the usa.If you add on the cost of our military,gas is more like forteen bucks a gallon.
IT's a good idea to have separation of church and state. All churches should be allowed. There should be freedom for religion. But no State that wants to be advanced should be guided and constricted by a religion. And why is it always the westerners responsibility to know all about Muslims and figure out a way to always let them do what they want no matter what extra costs and trouble and loss of freedom the westerners have to endure to facilitate Muslims. But there is no requirement for Muslims to recogonize other cultures and even when in the countries of other cultures they do not have to assimilate to the home country's culture ? So for example, they don't have to recogonize freedom of speech as it exists in the west. Is the stupid video causing the trouble right ? NO. IT is trash and it was intended to insult and inflame because the perps who made it and distributed it know the Muslims can't handle it and wanted to torture and insult and incite them. And the nimnods took the bait. And they killed people who had nothing to do with the insult. In Fact the nimnods killed people who took risks and worked hard to help them free themselves from their oppresser. But such is life, the stupid people get to rule, because the temperate people are always trying to accomodate and figure out workarounds so as not to be "causing" trouble. We just keep going from stupid event to stupid event.
Exactly! Talking about hypocrisy
It's okay, they just need more of those films and images to get used to it.
It's the fear of making these statements and hypocrisy by treating them differently than blasphemy against another religion that has led to violence.
You have to balance the right to free speach with common sense. Free speach does not give a person the right to shout "fire" in a crowded theater when there is no fire. The people who made this film knew exactly the reaction they would get from it. They did not care that it would generate a reaction that could get people hurt or killed. Based on past experiences they knew their film would be more inflammatory than anything done in the past. I saw the trailer for the film and I was offended by it. While I do not condone the violence I can understand why it happened and the flawed logic that drives Middle-Eastern Islam. Though that still does not make their actions right it still comes back to the guy who yelled "fire" in the middle of the theater knowing poeple would get trampled in the process. I have no doubt that they will try and prosecute the film maker when they catch him. Charge will be: inciting a riot.
So, R. B., we have free speech as long as we don't say anything critical of a certain religion?
No, we have free speech ostensibly to make our lives better. A person or group of individuals who knowingly antagonize fanatics who think we're their enemy to begin with, thus bringing repercussions upon innocent people and the entire nation, doesn't make that happen, now does it. You also have the right to exercise your free speech by going into your yard and yelling "I don't like hornets!" six inches from a hornets nest. Good luck with that.
Completely agree.
And they need to understand that their rioting and violence makes us "offended". It seems that Muslims are the only group that is allowed to be offended for any reason or no reason at all. Stop all aid, financial and military to these countries until perpetrators are brought to justice!
I am so glad. In our civilized world we can accept religion for what it was originally created for; a controlling measure. As population grew so did greed, envy, and many more human frailties. What better way to control a growing population than to create fear through an austre being that will rain down punishment for infractitions against each other. Eventually the unseen being in the corner no longer had the means to control through fear any longer, due to man being able to rationalize natural occurences with science. The next controlling fear factor became written laws enforced by police. In todays world there is no fear of law or right from wrong, otherwise there would not be murders each night in most major cities. If I have no fear of ramification for my actions then I can do whatever I want. Thus we have Muslims using religion as a reason to act as no other human group acts. That is why we are lucky to have our Muslim president. He is able to understand thier motivations and condone them. Praise Barack Hussain Obama.
Darcie,
We have free speech as long as you are willing to pay the price for what you say.
Try telling your boss he's an idiot. It's your right to say it and his right to fire you. But it is certainly your right to say it.
Try shouting "I have a gun" in a crowded subway. It is certainly your right to say it and it's my right to protect myself and tear your head off. Oh yeah, it's your right to say it!
I could go on and on, but you get the gist - you can say anything because you are protected by the Constitution. However, you are also accountable for what you say and your free speech could cost you more than you bargained.
Films and cartoons that insult a religion are wrong, period! I see nothing wrong with peaceful protest from those offended. If protest develops into bloodthirsty riots seeking revenge by killing then these people should be turned to ashes. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust kill our countrymen and die you must. One MOAB bomb would get someones attention that you do not go on a killing spree anytime you want!
Sounds like a psychological problem. No wonder there's so much trouble involving Islam.
Sounds like they are worshipping Mohammad. Why is it every time Muslims go crazy and burn and kill people , they are labeled Radical? If you look at the pictures of these people, they are children ,women and grown men, look like regular ole people to me. I guess when they decide to kill and burn they are called ,Radical Muslims, tomorrow they can go back to being called Moderate Peace loving Muslims. It's all so confusing to all of us who actually live in the 21'st century.
Sounds like Brainwashing via a little useless black book. Muslim should just keep to their own and live in peace with themselves. And if they feel like starting sh1t, then we can quickly. Seriously, these people need to move into the 21st century and stop being so narrow minded. The world does not revolve around Muslims and Islam...they just need to get over themselves already.
A religion that leaves other people alone? That's a new one.
Sounds like Brainwashing via a little useless
black bookbible.Muslimchristians should just keep to their own and live in peace with themselves. And if they feel like starting sh1t, then we can quickly. Seriously, these people need to move into the 21st century and stop being so narrow minded. The world does not revolve aroundMuslimschristians andIslamchristianity...they just need to get over themselves already.The name of the religion is interchangeable in your rant.
Corona, if Christians rioted and murdered people everytime someone said something derogatory about Jesus, half the posters on this forum would be dead.
darciesdaddy,
Excellent comment! However, there are those who still try to compare Christians to Muslims. Even the author of this article tries to compare the Christian reaction to "The Last Temptation of Christ" to the Muslim reaction to this hack job anti-Muslim film. Then the author has to qualify his statement by admitting the Christian reaction was peaceful, while the Muslim reaction included murders and riots. Not much to compare in my book.
Why do we continue to treat Muslim extremists as though they had the right to foam at the mouth and bite every time someone offends their religion? We expect better behavior from kids in our classrooms than we do from many Muslim adults unless those Muslims are Americans.
Is their way, what is your problem ? They live far away from us on the other side of the world, if WE don't put a foot inside they territory we are fre of problems. Period.
So now we find out from our Foreign Policy Pro Prince-i-dent, ole Slack Jaw, that Egypt is not our Allie.
Wow!!
Such a pro. If he had only gone to the Security Briefing, he would have known how to answer that question.
Somehow this must be GWB's or Romney's fault.... It can't be Dear Leader's.
Egypt under Mubarak might have been considered an ally but we hardly know enough about this revolutionary government to say. Politics say to call many countries friends or allies who clearly aren't such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan it's being polite as we buy their cooperation even when they seldom give it. Obama's statement that Egypt isn't an ally was based on him telling the truth something you probably don't recognize following comments by people like Romney and Ryan.
Hello Texas S-
Apparently you are one of the total idiots that believe that W and now Romney would be any better. What are his plans for foreign policy? That's right, he doesn't have any because he doesn't know how (talking about the republicants by the way, just in case you couldn't figure that out.) I live in Texas too. So let's elect a couple of very spoiled boys and their wives who don't know the meaning of middle class because they are just THAT SPOILED!
It starts from the top down. Mulim leaders USE their religion to put money in their pockets and bombs on backs. If the leaders decide to pull back on this insanity, their followers will as well. Till then, we can blame the simple idiot who is told to do things by people they respect or blame the people who continue this 1000nd year old ignorance. When an image of a person no one can rightfully say they have EVER SEEN becomes something worth killing over, you have a culture of ignorance that can only be changed from the top. At this point, a brown dot on a white piece of paper could be called Muhammad in the Snow, and someone might die.
Intersting - Ricci Ricci!
Sounds like a lot of Democrats and Republicans! Following our lame leadership and fighting and blaming the other party rather than demanding more of OUR leadership! 300 million in the U.S. and these two clowns are what we have to choose between?
Yes, they have many clerics which inflame their followers and have no problem with blood on their hands. Our leadership runs to Vegas and pander for more money to run more ads to convince us to re-elect while his wife yuks it up with Jay Leno. We've turned politics into another form of American Idol - just a get the greatest most important job in the world without any substance - and I mean that on both sides of the aisle; BUT I know I'll get the hate from both sides claiming I'm a Democrat/Republican dependent on your leanings. IMHO - both parties are failures to do the job they are elected to do and instead we grow weaker while the idological idiots grow stronger.
Because islam is full of crap.
Do they really worship a meteorite?
right on!
That's what inside that cube building in mecca.
Because (insert any religion here) is full of crap.
I corrected your post. You're welcome.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is full of meatballs!
Big, meaty balls, for all to share.
Slathered in tasty sauce.
Pasta Be Upon Him!
Do any of you people who feel the need to defend Islam by posting some atrocity by any other religion know that comparing murderous actions by Muslims today can't be excused because others long dead did similar. When an athiest or Christian committed murder it seldom had anything to do with their religion. We've evolved and they've devolved. I wonder how many would be so understanding if they were outside their door firing rifles and threatening murder. Stalin or the Khmer Rouge didn't kill millions due to religion but to hold power. People need to quit defending this behavior because if they ever achieve a large percentage of the population we'll be fighting them right here.
Want the truth? Religion kills. Rationality and science evolves.
Larry-367607, I don't think that Islam itself is the problem, it's the 1%ers that give it the bad name. If everyone judged Christianity by the Westoboro Baptist Church...
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
-- Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50
And unless the west wises up, and ceases the delusion of political correctness and moral relativism, it will slit its own throat under the banner of tolerance by accepting and opening wide its arms to those who would be its undoing.
Right - http://www.historynet.com/muhammad-the-warrior-prophet.htm
granted I am getting old and forgetful but as I remember World History, Mohammad gave his conquests a choice, convert or die. That is so compassionate.
The new Caliphate - coming soon to Europe!
no wonder it is called the religion of peace , infidels will be at peace after they are killed in the name of the prophet
They look to me like a bunch of spoiled brats throwing a fit for attention. No offense.
Why???? Really???? Because Muslims are extremely brainwashed. Millions have been "educated" and I use the term very loosely, in Madrassas around the middle east . . . every facet of their lives is controlled by clerics and Imams.
I would not want to see a picture of Mohammed - no interest in seeing a pervert with a six year old child "bride". As for the people who claim to revere him so - what kind of person would honor this behavior? A megalomaniac who told his followers to lie, cheat and steal from peole who did not follow him, and that it was honorable to do so - is this the kind of animal you want for a leader? Maybe that tells about the attitude and thinking of his followers.
WychDoctorGeorge,
"I would not want to see a picture of Mohammed - no interest in seeing a pervert with a six year old child "bride"."
In the first place, she was 9; not 6. In the second place, Joseph, the father of Jesus and husband of Mary, would have been imprisoned for child molesting if he had live in 21st. century America and placed on the list of sex offenders as a sexual predator. Did you not know that Mary was probably only 13 years old when she was betrothed to Joseph? That was the custom at the time. Fortunately for them neither Muhammad nor Joseph lived in 21st. century America. But if Muslims wanted to get even with Christians for the pedophile slurs against their prophet, they could point out that Joseph, the father of Jesus, was also a pedophile.
Mickey,
Is your last name "Mouse"?
Logic4U,
"Is your last name "Mouse"?"
Why do you ask? Is it because you don't believe that Joseph would be classified as a pedophile if he lived today? If that is the case, I would say it is you who are Mickey Mouse. Go and learn a thing or two about ancient Israel. I would recommend The Day Christ Was Born by Jim Bishop or The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah by Edersheim for your reading pleasure.
Every civilized country, (which means no muslim countries) in the world should post thousands of pictures of insulting pictures of Mohammad to show them we won't be intimidated. When they found out the world won't be intimidated they'd eventually give up. Pressuring those who post such pictures or make such movies to stop them merely emboldens them to react similarly every time they detect a slight.
tuff............apparently muslims have to problem going to strip bars and get lap dances beffore they fly planes into our buildings.
And they dont have hookers. They have "temporary wives." Seriously, this is what they call them.
I have no problem with them getting lap dances. My problem with them is, they drink Chivas and Coke. That's alcohol abuse.
He pointed to the uproar over 1988 Hollywood film "The Last Temptation of Christ." Director Martin Scorsese's adaptation of a book by the same name showed Jesus struggling with lust, depression and doubt, and engaging in sex — in his imaginings — before snapping back to reality and dying on the cross. That movie was seen as blasphemy by some Christians, who — though not violent — were vocal enough to prevent the film from being shown in many parts of the United States.
Though not violent.......key words!
And the difference between civilized and heathens.
I am confident the majority of the upset people have an eduction and common sense of life. They should not be so easily tempted by a few individuals in this whole world in making this film, to currupt them into evil hatetred and violence. It like the devil itself is pulling all their strings and leading them over a cliff. The few people responsible for this film are wrong, not the USA or the world. It seems the crowd is just looking for another war and another reason to hate. Perhaps they should read their own religion.
Apparently you have not read any of the articles describing the reaction in Afghanistan and other Muslim countries to having their girls in school, teaching said girls to have radical thoughts like being able to own property instead of being property, allowing women in Iran to wander about Islamabad with (horror of horrors) their faces and even heads uncovered.....
Do some reading, then come back and see if you can type that with a straight keyboard.
Look at the book Jesus NEVER! said to kill anyone for anything. He even said he would forgive blasphemy against him, Not so with Muhammad.
Muhammad was a douche bag...and couldn't grasp the concept of turning the other cheek so he pulled a knife instead.. there you have it...
but, richard, in that same book, GOD says there is a requirement of death for dozens of offenses, from the big ones like murder, to things like cursing at your parents, working on sunday, or not being a virgin on your wedding night. giving a 'my beliefs are slightly less bat@!$%# than theirs' defense is kinda sad, and misinformed.
Jesus and Muhammed are different sides of the same made-up, misogynistic, fear-mongering coin.
The proper thing for the West to do when Muslims get violent is to stand firm and continue speaking against Islam. Science is on the side of us Kufars, and through Science, we can defeat that barbaric religion.
Our government does't want us to PISS on DEAD MUSLIMS so we will PISS on them BEFORE WE KILL THEM!!
Muhammad is a false prophet, His first wife was nine years old when he married her.
Absolutely. A religion that regards a child molester as a "Prophet" is no religion of peace.
Yes, and Jesus rose from the dead. It's all a bunch of fairy tales....
Fairly tales about astronomy, yes. The "rising from the dead" refers to the sun's apparent movement from dec 22 to 25-- 3 days and in front of the Southern Cross. Hmmm. ;)
I am no Islam, but I pray for the Islam community they find peace and not be led into evil by just a few individuals.
Prayer is waste...and that's one of the problems. If people just got smart and realized they're being duped, this wouldn't have happened.
They can have a nice day, far away from me.
Stephen,
"if people got smart". Really? I guess your view is that if someone believes in a higher order, they are stupid....or just plain dumb. Is that you point? Nice to know that you have a clear view of what is appropriate in the area of belief and what is not.
Peanut, whom can have a nice day to just stay away from you? Christians or Islam lunatics?
I am not particularly religous, but the idea that people who believe in a higher power in a peaceful fashion are not as good as some liberal "intellect", makes me nuts.
If I have you two slotted in the right place, you seem to prefer raging murderers in the name of some dip-sh*^ over a Christian, Don't even bother with the holy wars and all that trash....it has been a while.
Anyway, that whole bunch of Muslim feaks can drop from the face of the earth and not be missed.
M Wilson;
He never called them stupid......but it certainly is scary to any rational person that adults who believe in magical thinking and fairy tales present with the developmental age of 7.
So just because "it has been a while" you will dismiss millenia of killing and slavery? That's very big of you.
corona, again you try doublespeak. Muslims are STILL continuing millenia of killing and slavery. You dismiss/ignore that. That's very big of you.
Wilson-- yes. ;) We have the right to assembly but not the obligation.
I think the violence against the depiction of Mohammed is just an excuse. Islam is sworn to eliminate all infidels, and so any excuse is a good one. You gotta love "tolerance". Especially when it works in your favor!!
Mob violence in the name of organized religion clearly shows that both terms are often oxymorons- regardless of the faith being ostensibly represented.
Mobs aren't organized- and no religion worth having preaches violence.
The truly religious sincerely pray for the enlightenment of the sinful- they don't up the ante with reprisals.
Shame on those abandoning what they profess to believe in for the sake of hatred- however well earned.
I disagree. Most religions include requirements to destroy the preceding religion(s). This is why genesis had the previous deity (snake) as the bad guy. And moses' crowd backslide by worshiping the a calf (aka, a baby bull cuz that old religion was "childish"). Part of islam's creation charter was to destroy the christians who had corrupted the "true" religion of God. Obama isnt the first leader to blame everything bad on his predecessor.
truly we need to transport all islamic people back to the desert or theres going to be alot more and worse occurences in the future and they breed 10 to our western 1, that will in 100 yrs be detrimental to the us and europe. Brittain already has sharia laws in certain villages
Islam is out by default.
So are the jews. Take a look at the following Mitzvahs (Commandments) if you have doubt:
"596. Destroy the seven Canaanite nations--Deuteronomy 20:17
597. Not to let any of them remain alive--Deuteronomy 20:16
598. Wipe out the descendants of Amalek--Deuteronomy 25:19"
"Destroy the seven [...] nations, not [...]let any of them remain alive." - That's just pure genocide
Likewise, 598 spells it out just as well. So preaching violence is required.
Personally, I'll stick with my own tenants - "Do harm to none, thine own self included."