The U.S. has deployed an FBI investigation team and drones to Libya to search for those responsible for the murder of the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans. NBC's Ayman Mohyeldin reports.
Updated at 4:15 p.m. ET:KHARTOUM -- Sudan has rejected a U.S. request to send a platoon of Marines to bolster security at the U.S. embassy outside Khartoum, the state news agency SUNA said on Saturday.
The U.S. ordered all family members and non-emergency personnel out of Khartoum as well as Tunis, Tunisia, posts, State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland said Saturday afternoon. The State Department also issued travel warnings to U.S. citizens in both countries.
Earlier Saturday, a U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the official was not authorized to disclose details on the troop movement, said Sudan's objection held up the deployment of 50 Marines. A U.S. official said the Marines had already set off for Khartoum but had been called back pending further discussions with Sudan.
Nuland earlier Saturday didn't speak about the Marines but acknowledged Sudan had "recommitted itself both publicly and privately to continue to protect our Mission, as it is obligated to do under the Vienna Convention."
"We are continuing to monitor the situation closely to ensure we have what we need to protect our people and facility," Nuland said.

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Smoke billows from the US embassy in the Sudanese capital Khartoum on Friday during a protest against an amateur film mocking Islam.
On Friday, around 5,000 people protested against a film that insults the Prophet Muhammad, storming the German embassy before breaking into the U.S. mission.
They also attacked the British embassy. At least two people were killed in clashes with police, according to state media.
In Tunis, four people were killed and 46 were wounded, the Tunisian government said, after police gunfire near the U.S. Embassy in the North African city that was the model for last year's pro-democracy revolutions.
Police fought hundreds of protesters who smashed windows, hurled petrol bombs and stones at police from inside, and started fires in the embassy and to a gym and a neighboring American school. A Reuters reporter saw police open fire on protesters forcing their way into the embassy building.
A U.S. official told Reuters on Friday that Washington would send Marines to Sudan to improve security at the embassy located outside Khartoum.
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"Sudan is able to protect the diplomatic missions in Khartoum and the state is committed to protecting its guests in the diplomatic corps," Sudanese Foreign Minister Ali Ahmed Karti told SUNA.
The violent protests in response to an anti-Islamic film have been spreading across the Middle East and the North Africa region, with attention focused on U.S. embassies and offices. NBC News' Jim Maceda reports.
Sudan beefed up security at some missions on Saturday. A riot police truck was parked in front of the deserted German embassy, which protesters had set on fire on Friday. An Islamic flag raised by the crowd was still flying. Three officers manned the main gate.
More than 20 police officers were sitting in front of the U.S. Embassy.
The film, which depicts Muhammad as a womanizer and charlatan, was made in the United States, and Muslim outrage has led to crowds assaulting U.S. diplomatic missions in a number of Arab countries.
U.S. authorities are interviewing a California man suspected of making an anti-Islamic film that has sparked violent protests across the Middle East.
Sudan has also criticized Germany for allowing a protest last month by right-wing activists carrying caricatures of Muhammad, and for Chancellor Angela Merkel's award in 2010 to a Danish cartoonist who had depicted the prophet, triggering unrest across the Islamic world.
President Omar Hassan al-Bashir has been under pressure from Islamists who feel the government has given up the religious values of his 1989 Islamist coup.
The Sudanese government had called for protests against the film, but peaceful ones. President Barack Obama's administration said it had nothing to do with the movie, which is little more than an amateurish video clip and appears to have been made in California.
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OK, just close the US embassy and send all of our personnel back home. It is time for a reality check in our State Department.
A reality check ? Is that what you call it when the POTUS is a complete and total traitor ?
OBAMA IS A SACK OF @!$%#T, AND WE MUST KICK HIM OUT OF OFFICE.
The same type traitor that presided over 9-11-01 and 3,000 US dead on US soil ignoring threats while focusing on how to punk the US public into invading Iraq again like his daddy? Yeah, that kind of smug traitor from a wealthy transnational family, the Bush Cabal.
We all know damm well..these idiotic animals in the middle east aren't doing this because of a movie clip, they just needed an excuse to riot! What does the German and British embassies have to do with the movie but they attacked them too?
The movie maker was born and rasied in EGYPT!
The embassy compound is US soil and we have a right to defend it. It Sudan does not want us to deploy our Marines to protect our embassy then we should bring all of our people, and all of the foreign aid they receive back home. They have already proven that they are either unwilling or incapable of defending the embassy by the fact that protesters were on the embassy grounds yesterday. It is time we stop Obama and his bowing down to third world thugs and do what is needed. Either the Marines go in, or everyone and everything, including all US aid money comes out.
Suck my clock Plork. I'd beat you to a pulp if you were in front of me.
I think this raises a question about the 1st amendment. It is illegal to shout "Fire" in a crowded theather, because people can die.
Should it be illegal to post hateful videos about Islam?
I am truly interested in debate here, I am undecided. There are arguments both ways.
But, the reality is, if you post a hateful video about Islam, people die.
I welcome comments from the left and the right.
Who brings automatic weapons and RPG launchers to a protest..a war yes..a protest no!
Your right
Ya, I wouldn't want to be facing a platoon of US marines either if I had plans to storm an American embassy.
If you send more money over to disfuse the situation what does that say about the US? It looks like ransom money to me.
I'm with JS on this.
The Sudanese don't want us there? Then fine, close down the embassy, pull ALL of our diplomats out of there, cut off ALL aid, and bring home ALL of our military personnel stationed anywhere near there. Fine with me. If they kill each other in any ensuing riots, so much the better. Bonus points as far as I'm concerned. I'm damn tired of our blood and treasure being spent on cretins in these ratholes who aren't worth a sh1t anyway.
DOU44, you don't have much of clue do you? GWB had not even been in office a month and you try to lay the blame for 9/11 at his feet? Get real! Slick Willy had been in office for eight years before that. His administration is the one that should have been keeping better tabs on Bin Laden and beefed up security!
A reality check ? Is that what you call it when the POTUS is a complete and total traitor ?
OBAMA IS A SACK OF @!$%#T, AND WE MUST KICK HIM OUT OF OFFICE.
Suck my clock Plork. I'd beat you to a pulp if you were in front of me.
The funny thing about Americans is, they occupy places where they are not wanted, use military force to impose their Western values on people who do not share those values, then they wonder why they are universally hated throughout the Islamic world-- and hated among many Western nations as well, since most of them do not agree with American imperialism, either. Yet in what has become an all-too-predictable pattern of narcissistic recklessness, Americans demand more of the same-- or at least, the Republicon faction does. Half of the Islamic world might well be living in the Bronze Age, but 21st Century Americans, in spite of their advanced technology, are every bit as stupid in the final analysis.
Pull out & let them kill each other..............
So the Taliban have finally figured out how to use the internet...
GTR5
Agreed. And this applies to all countries where they attacked our embassies and personel. They have to either do this or chip away pieces of our Freedom of speech, since it seems some people think he didn't have the right to express his opinion about Muhammad and Islam (i.e. I see some people ready to deliver the guy who made the movie to extremist muslims, and blaming him for the actions of murdering fanatics).
Stop sending them money too.
@ Ave Satani
Ave Satani: Yet in what has become an all-too-predictable pattern of narcissistic recklessness, Americans demand more of the same-- or at least, the Republicon faction does.
I'd say the narcissistic recklessness does not favor one or the other, I'd say that what's got us in these situations year after year. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the voice's inside Country aren't being heard any longer. Greed is what is destroying our country.
I'd empty a magazine into you if you were in front of me.
Where does it end silly head?
"Violence begets violence... The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars."
vote up if you know who said this...
Nothing is ever going to change with these Muslim @!$%#s until the Western powers along with Russia and China unite in a common goal, ditch the PC crap, and annihilate this pestilence like we dealt with the Nazis. These vermin are no different from the Nazis, they just embedded a religion as part of their political system.
Terry-753375
... they just embedded a religion as part of their political system.
You mean, like the American Christian right embeds religion as part of OUR political system?
How dare you think that your mythology is better than theirs!
Keep all mythology out of our political system, Please!
Ban Biker4life for making death threats.
In fact he should be investigated.
This is America, not China.
News Flash!!! Neither one is my mythology, genius. Also, I can dare any damn thing I please. Furthermore, I am not constrained by a bunch of political correctness that kisses a bunch of liberal and Muslim butt.
reply to We can do it who wrote this:
I think this raises a question about the 1st amendment. It is illegal to shout "Fire" in a crowded theather, because people can die.
Should it be illegal to post hateful videos about Islam?
I am truly interested in debate here, I am undecided. There are arguments both ways.
But, the reality is, if you post a hateful video about Islam, people die.
I welcome comments from the left and the right.
My answer is- there is no way you give up free speech rights no matter how murderous these ass-holes are. My God man there are muslims on streets in washington DC preaching the overthrow of the US government and nobody does anything to stop them because it is supposedly free speech. Muslims have no right to murder people because someone insults their religion. F them.
We should close our embassies in these places and cut off all aid. We should use our money at home. If they don't want us in their countries, then let them have their wish....but they do not get our money either. We should also remove all their people out of our country. There needs to be hard lines, an iron curtain. They are too savage and uncivilized for us to have discourse with them. I find it ironic to see them holding their cell phones and Ipads as they record their violence at their demos. They never invented any of that stuff. If they did not take our inventions, they would still be in the stone age. They did not produce Tesla or even Thomas Edison, or Graham Bell. They did not do the science that developed nuclear power or space exploration. We did...us wicked infidels. if they think we are so awful, they should stop using our inventions.
Let us separate their world from our world totally. Let us get to work developing wind and solar energy so as to not need their oil anymore. Let them go broke on their plot of sand.
Steve-3200687
Thank you for posting your opinion. I tend to agree with you.
My concern is the possibility of a clash of civilizations. Would it be worth it?
Is it better to be right, than to be pragmatic?
These people have got so used to the United States handing them money, that when they stop doling it out we are really going to have a problem. I say, America first. Quit handing out our money. They are already saying that SS is not an entitlement. Well until our goverment started giving every country in the world that has an oil barrel money, Social Security was always thought by all of us that have paid into it for decades to be an entitlement.
As the Southeast is to the United States so the Middle East is to Earth.
The video was made over a year ago. The attacks occurred on 9/11. We know the video was just an excuse. If not that video, then something else as seen when they attacked the German embassy because of another incident.
It is odd to me that when the going gets tough, all those in the democrat party that want to keep religion out of government, immediately ask for God's blessing. You cannot have it both ways. Remember 9/11? Everybody flocked to religion to get some sense of healing and both parties often invoke God in government statements when some sort of horrific event occurs. Stop the hypocrisy.
I don't care if the Muslim world wants to have a strong religious say in their government. It is their country and their right. I respect that they spend so much time worshiping and honoring their god.
MY HUGE issue is that NO religion is better or worse than another. So for Hillary to say that Islam is a wonderful religion is utter nonsense and supports Romney's charge that this administration cowers to the Muslim world by constantly apologizing and frankly just in a defensive position all the time. It is just another religion that is easily twisted by fanatics.
I do not support organized religion myself because of the hypocrisy and this notion of one religion being better than another. However, I 100 percent support the idea of a religion being a guiding hand in a very difficult world. Lots of good does come from all forms of religion. Unfortunately the bad is so grotesque that it shades the good.
Time to ask all these countries where we have an embassy if we are welcomed by the people. If not, time to go. BTW, stop all aid to all countries which should clear the air about who is really friendly and who are just being paid to look friendly.
Ed Nav, so Bush didn't take office until July?? Wow, so now we know why he didn't know anything about the situation at hand. Amazing, do you have a clue as to when a new pres takes over?
And the only reason we are engaged in the Mid East is because of the huge Oil interests that the right wing wants to have at any cost.
Close the Embassy down, shut down the Sudan's Embassy in the U.S., and no tourists visas for people from that Country.
The boys, you are heavy on left wing hypocrisy, holy cow man, you might want to check to see where the rest of your fingers are pointing. It does appear that religion is and has been for more than 1000 years a major war mongering subject. Why do we keep fighting these wars, why don't we pull our embassy's? It has nothing more to do with anything except you driving that SUB down the road, it is about nothing more than Oil but we don't seem to want to talk about it. Pull our embassy and see how long it takes before we start screaming about the price of oil. Get off oil, get out of the medeast, problem diminished.
The easy answer to this Sudanese stupidity is to send 50, "suits," with their, "luggage." The Embassy is U.S. soil, and we can send diplomats if we want to.
If the lying liars on the left believe that the right wing only cares about oil, why is Obama cowering to these fools? Why isn't the DEMOCRAT leader telling them all to literally pound sand? The "right wing" controls nothing. All of this is happening with the LEFT WING in charge!
When will the leftie dimwits wake up and realize that their leader is a puppet at best, and a completely incompetent buffoon or criminal at worst?
Obama actually tweeted out a message just before the caskets landed on US soil hawking his hoodies to fundraise for his losing campaign! This idiot has no sense of leadership, decency or decorum, and is the most embarrassing President I have ever witnessed. He makes Bush look down right respectable.
As for the fool who blames Bush for 9/11, please, that attack had deep planning during the Clinton years, and Clinton took a pass on killing Bin Laden when he had the chance, so enough of this deceitful argument, we all know you are completely full of bull droppings.
Our congress is all right wing nut jobs. This is all happening with in office
I do understand "religious sensitivities" but as POTUS: (Caution: RANT apology in advance...sort of)
1. No Apology.... WE the US did nothing.... how is it that a American INDIVIDUAL with freedom of Speech, on American soil posting something on the web is a "understandable" reaction to not only riot but KILL Americans?(whether we agree with him or not). We... Americans, are now slaves to another country religions.... (I here the Libs say Christianity should be "removed" from government yet we need to watch intolerance OVERSEAS?)
2. I agree to pull ALL our Embassy Personnel, Ambassadors and MONEY from the host country till a apology and the perps are brought to (at a minimum) trial in their host country... OR
3. Send our forces loaded for bear to "Protect" our overseas Embassies no matter what "guarantees" they give until they learn to "manage" their people.
Bottom line.. The USA is not beholden, Restricted, Cowed, Deterred by ANY FOREIGN Entity... I thought that is what it meant to be a Sovereign Nation.
Have they not Burned our Flag?.... Why don't Americans "mount" an attack on the Arab Embassies on the US soil (I'm not suggesting that, WE have better sense and tolerance... just listen)
Have not they burned, Destroyed Christians and their Churches? Why Don't American Christians "rise up" in the name of our "Prophet"? (Because ours says Don't do such things, Love your enemies.)
Have not they Killed our Ambassadors, Troops.. strap bombs to selves, women, kill innocents not involved in war, turned against us AS WE SPEAK as we train them to defend themselves? But we should show restraint. ( I understand war "restraint" but.... I don't understand "muzzling" our citizens because it "MIGHT" offend someone OVERSEAS....) Who is REALLY the ENEMY?....
Many on the Vine could give two dead fleas that I'm a CHRISTIAN... I've been insulted, my Jesus made fun of, My God called fake, fairy-tale, made up, non-existent I've been called an idiot, knuckle dragger, flat earther, non believer in "hard Science"... almost no tolerance toward my beliefs on the Vine and else where but.. no one told me to get on a left leaning blog and "spout" my drivel and expect "respect" but I respect the Vines opinions, comments , criticisms because... THIS IS AMERICA... I can turn off the computer, watch my Anime choose not to comment..... I'm going to church tonight without fear and it is my Choice. Why should we tell ANY of our own citizens.. From the KKK to the White House to include the CHURCH that "you shouldn't say, do, show "that" to Muslims or their Prophet because it will offend them and you get our troops and VIP's killed." (WHAT???)
Romney/Ryan 2012.... Why? because This is a FREE COUNTRY... at least I pray and hope it will continue to be.
These people have proven themselves to be worthless and achieve nothing other than war and violence.
The time has come to stop being the monetary suppository to the anus of the world.
Clinton didn't a pass on Bin Laden, Bin Laden got out of the line of fire by going to Afghanistan and hiding in the mountains. Bush was given info about Bin Laden planning something but he failed to listen to what he was given. The FBI and CIA had pertinent info that they failed to share and the FAA had alerts on the terrorists. You can call it miscommunication but I call it something else. Bush had his own agenda otherwise the invasion of Iraq for weapons of mass destruction was BS. I'm going to give the Administration time to find out exactly who to go after and what to do.By the way what are leftists and rightists I'm an American military trained with my own damn brain
GTR5,
"OK, just close the US embassy and send all of our personnel back home. It is time for a reality check in our State Department."
For a change I find myself agreeing with you, which isn't often. We should break off diplomatic relations with Sudan, cut off any foreign aid we are giving them and close our embassy in that hopeless region of the world.
Ummm... We can do it- did you actually read my post? Do you actually think that was me making a threat?
Try reading it again, the whole thing, and maybe try looking at it as someone who is not make a threat to anyone, but instead making a point AGAINST violence.
I realize that we are writing and not typing, and that sometimes things are lost in the translation from spoken to written. But sheesh.
The embassy is US SOIL
And we have to ask permission to send marines there to defend it?
HEY AMERICA!.....You know all that talk about "Isolationism?" ....As much as the Republican war mongers, their corporate buddies and numbskulls like most in the Pee Tardy HATE the sound of isolationism, I think it's about time to try a little........
We can still "reach out" and touch those who need reaching out to and touching. It isn't pre-war 1939 America. The world has gotten a lot smaller and a lot faster as far as knowing just 'who' is doing what to whom.......get the Hell out of those crap holes and take our foreign aid when we leave. Whack 'em by remote control.......the Taliban and the Pakies HATE those drones....I kind'a like 'em.
I honestly didn't know we needed permission on the number of personnel at our embassies.
biker4life
I apologize. I did indeed read your entire post. I read the entire previous thread, and to be honest it was not clear what your intent and context was. Again I apologize.
I would suggest you be very careful with your words in the future. The country is very divided right now, and many people including gun owners are on edge.
Let's not give angry people the idea that violence is a valid response to their anger.
Peace brother (or sister)
THEY DID WHAT----WHO the FVCK do we have running OUR COUNTRY--a bunch of pussies!!!!
[ A U.S. official said the Marines, "were on their way, but turned back" when Sudan rejected the U.S. request.]
SO NOW we KISS the A$$ of another THIRD WORLD sh*t hole---OUR EMBASSY is the same as CHICAGO,WASHINGTON DC or TAMPA---WE have the INTERNATIONAL RIGHT to add to OUR SECURITY FORCE---so WHICH COWARD in the OBAMANATIONS ADMIN is responsible for this!!
MAYBE the COWARD in CHIEF!!!
People you need to understand this---THE FILM is just an EXCUSE----everything thats going on now was PLANED---PRE=PLANED to jump off on 9-11. THIS MOVIE has GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH IT OTHER THAN AN EXCUSE!!!
Obamas "Im SORRY for AMERICA" TOUR was where this started---IF you look real close this smells of MUSLIM BROS,TALIABAN and Al-Quida---also note that THERE IS NO NEWS about the GOVT of IRAN and its quest for NUKES!
ALL SMOKE and MIRRORS ---and another thing to look at is the POSSABILITY of a "FALSE FLAG " move by OBAMA---Won't go into it but LOOK UP FALSE FLAG and LOOK real close at the EO--EXECUTIVE ORDERS and what the OBAMA can do with a PEN!
THE SUDAN is as CORRUPT as the DNC and the TRASH in our WHITE HOUSE so I HOPE that when it comes time for THESE MUSLIME TRASH to seek MORE AID form US WE have someone in DC with the BALLS to say---SCREW YOU!!
Im surprised at the MUSLIME OBAMA---YA and HE isn't even as BLACK as he has tried to make out------
HE ATTEMPTS to pass himself off----HE is an AMERICAN/ARAB---and A MUSLIME !
My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. He is the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya , his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). Go to:
http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?Barack_Hussein_Obama_-_Arab-Americ
WHAT WE NEED to do is CLOSE ALL EMBASSIES,CONSULATE missions PULL ALL of our PEOPLE OUT--and CUTOFF NOW all AID to these MU-SLIME BAG COUNTRIES!
OH and almost forgot.....THERE is EVIDENCE to the fact THAT the British government knew that an attack was emmenent on 9/11 and notified the obama administration of this fact. Obama failed to act on this by securing the embassy and and as a result we now have four diplomats murdered by these subhuman muslims. The question is why did obama fail to act?
BEFORE YOU START TO TRASH ME READ what I WROTE and look at the links!
SEMPER FI to the 4 HERO'S who were murdered -----YOU WILL BE AVENGED!! And to those who did this VICIOUS ACT---GOD might have mercy on you but WE AMERICANS WON'T---that YOU CAN BANK ON!!
Negro? Really?
Swallow, my apologies as you are correct. My brain was thinking one thing while my hands typed something else. That still does not change the fact that Clinton had been in office for eight years and done nothing about Bin Laden. There is more than enough blame to go around.
Apology accepted We can do it. It is evident by the collapse of that post that you were not the only one.
This is a comment thread on a news article. It's not in any way a personal interaction, or a vehicle interaction, or any sort of actual public interaction with unfamiliar people. This isn't 'real'. Nothing anyone says here (no matter how much they want to think it is) is 'real'. I'm comfortable in that context with my post. I'm not going to cow to people that don't get it or want to create drama where none exists. But I appreciate your perspective.
@We Can Do It: The problem is not with the right to free speech; it's with the muslim religion. It is at it's core a cult of Muhammad incompatible with democracy. And as for whether Christian mythology is superior to theirs: in terms of being factual it isn't.
But it doesn't beget violence; and this is the issue at hand here. I'd sooner see the muslim religion go than give up the right to free speech.
ARE YOU PEOPLE JUST STUPID, OR DID THE DOPE FINALLY SERIOUSLY DAMAGE YOUR BRAINS?!
Does anyone remember the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan? Dec. '79? Did anyone watch the movie "Charlie Wilson's War"? (not that it is a factual account, but it does mention something about US involvement in Afghanistan) Does anyone know what the US involvement in Afghanistan was from 1992 to 2001? How about none?
Yeah, we helped 'em kick out the Ruskies, and left 'em alone(JUST LIKE YOU DOPE SMOKIN HIPPIES WANTED US TO DO, REMEMBER BILL CLINTON?), and what did they do? Trained the people, that attacked us AND KILLED ALMOST 3000 PEOPLE. Do we really want to leave 'em alone again? These people need a keeper. I have finally figured out why they still have Kings and Sultans, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO ANYTHING FOR THEMSELVES. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO A DEMOCRACY.
I can guarantee you this, "If we pull out of the countries that are rioting (which is what they think they want, not realizing how dependent they are on us) and stop the aid going to these countries, within a decade, and certainly within a generation, one of them will set off a nuke(or some other WMD) inside the USA.
THESE PEOPLE ARE DANGEROUS, AND IT IS BY GOD DAMN TIME WE TOOK THEM SERIOUS. We have three options;
1, Bury our heads in the sand and make believe that this is only a fringe element and is not indicative of Islam as a whole (15 or 20 or more embassies under siege at the same time does not seem fringe to me, seems fairly organized and ubiquitous). And continue down this path, of aid and help, in hopes that Islam will soon evolve past its "kill 'em all stage" as the Christian and other religions have. Maybe it is time for the liberals to open their eyes from their smoke induced haze, and realize "We can't all just get along" (I wish we could, but as long as we have, and they don't, they will be envious)
2. Retreat back to our borders, and hope that they don't find us or will leave us alone. (Well, they already know where we are and they didn't leave us alone in 2001, what makes you think their opinion has changed)
3. Eradicate Islam.
I know what my choice is, but you have to decide for yourself. Can you LIVE with your choice?
As a side note, we did eradicate huge Fascist and Communist Threats under the strategy of Peace through Strength, not through hearts and minds. You might want to take that into consideration when making your decision.
These events are just like Latin America in the 50's and 60's and 70's, and 80's, and 90's...........etc!
YANKEE, GO HOME!
Small question to Democrats:
How well is that Obama outreach to the Muslim world working out?
Please be honest
.
OBAMA HAS FAILED!
TIME TO KICK HIM OUT!
Where we leave a vacume, the Russians and/or Chinese will move in with their agenda. I don't like that idea.
With that statement, I agree. We have the right and the duty to protect our diplomatic corps abroad. If the host country will not cooperate, we should evacuate.
With this part, I heartily disagree. The Obama administration has not bowed to anyone, least of to all third world thugs. In fact, no American president has been tougher on terrorism, no one has removed more terrorists from the field of battle than President Obama.
We should stand behind him now and trust him to do what he has already demonstrated he does so well in defense and foreign policy matters. Foreign aid to a country like Sudan might be the only leverage we have.
JD in SD, I have read many of your comments on various topics, and have found you to be rational and open minded. I hope I can convince you that your opinion about President Obama's 'apologizing' is not correct.
So...which part of the First Amendment do you want to scuttle: freedom of religion or freedom of speech?
Can you see how they are inter-related?
Your question reminds me of an incident that occurred in Central Park in 1989, known as The Central Park Jogger Case. A woman went jogging late at night, alone, in NYC's Central Park and was viciously assaulted by a gang of thugs.
Why a comparison with this incident? Because the woman HAD EVERY RIGHT to go jogging in Central Park, any time, day or night. We all have the right to live our lives unmolested by acts of criminal violence. Nevertheless, it was foolish of her to ignore the possible--even LIKELY-- consequences of her choice. She put herself squarely in harm's way. I do not blame her in any way for what happened, just so you know, but I also feel she should have protected herself, as we all should.
The film-maker had every legal right to freedom of speech (although that might be tempered if he was on probation for previous criminal offenses), but knowing his motive was not so much about expressing an opinion as it was about hoodwinking, insulting and inciting violence... where, then is his moral high ground?
What are rights for anyway? Aren't our Constitutional rights intended to balance the freedom of the individual with the needs of society? Life isn't always black and white... it's almost always gray.
Mankind needs freedom of speech like we need air, but the film-maker should be condemned in the strongest possible moral terms. That is my opinion.
Talk to Michael Moore about hate videos.
Is it true rthat Muslims here in america were asked to come to the DNC and pray for two hours, but the Catholic Bishop's offer was turned down al? of this on the last night of the DNC when the change of Venue occured?
@Kaybeetoys #1.56
You may wish to check out this video, you may think it is a sign or show of respect, but the Muslims in that region see it as submission, because I do not see the King returning a bow. The PRESIDENT IS THE MORE POWERFUL MAN in this context, yet he bows. He bows to no one. Or he shouldn't. You should learn about Arabic culture. They see American as weak because of this man, Obama. (If one can call him a man)
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I'd like to see your facts on that statement, My cousin, a Marine Colonel, currently stationed in Afghanistan, with 3 previous tours to each Iraq and Afghanistan, (that's six total, and on his 7th, for you liberals) Would very much like to dispute them. I think you are confusing, "reported to have" as opposed to "Actually to have", by the MSM.
WE have nuclear weapons, WE have B1 and B2 Bombers, Money is not our only leverage. Threat of Violence, Peace through Strength, that is what these primitives understand.
We should stand behind him and push him out the door of the White House, he has no business there.
@ Menoseeno #1.53
And how is that working out for us? Drugs and Violence? Sounds like a good plan. Let's leave 'em alone, and they will leave us alone, right?
And how is it is working out for the people of these countries? Have you Wikipedia-ed gun deaths per capita,
#1 Colombia 52/100,000
#2 El Salvador 50/100,000
#3 Jamaica 47/100,000
#4 Honduras 47/100,000
The USA is at 10/100,000,
Trust me, I wish my cousin, my other extended family members and friends could come home from "over there". I wish we could leave them alone. I wish we could "mind our own business". But it is too late for that now. These people have a burr up their butt for us, they hate us.
If history teaches anything, (reference WWI and WWII) we can no longer be Isolationists, even if we want to be. Ever thing is interrelated now, one thing affects another. And sooner or later, one of those things will effect us again. I suggest we be a bit more proactive and less reactive this time. And maybe Thousands of American Civilians won't perish.
But hey, this only comes from our constitution, and it is irrelevant anymore isn't it? Maybe you should decide who side your on, words matter. And I am seeing a great many Americans, committing treason here and else where. I know you don't think so, because to you, we are the ones at fault, the big 'ol meanies from the USA started all this a hundred years ago. (Well they(the Muslims) were at it before we were even a country)
Think about that for awhile.
We meet again, DumbFarmBoy!
Actually, I believe my having lived in three Middle Eastern countries taught me quite a bit about the history, culture and religions of that region. I certainly know far more about Arabic culture than the run-of-the-mill American.
First conservatives call President Obama an apologist. Then they complain he has launched too many drone strikes. Next, we hear he had little or nothing to do with the demise of Osama bin Laden. Then, the GOP complains Obama has angered Arabs by killing bin Laden. Romney says he wouldn't have 'wasted' all that effort on getting one man.
Republicans complain that Obama ordered regime change in Egypt and Libya, that he 'orchestrated' the Arab Spring. Then they complain that he has been soft on Iran and ignored Syria.
Now you're telling us that Arabs think he's weak? Do you know that, or is it just another baseless criticism?
Are you getting whiplash from all that flip-flopping?
Face it...there is NOTHING Obama can or could do that would ever please you. If he walked on water, you'd say he couldn't swim.
Barack Obama is the President of the United States and we should all be grateful. He has the cool head and strong heart needed to prevail in a crisis. Let him do what has to be done. Save your drama for an issue you can discuss with knowledge and clarity.
So close the embassy. It might make it a little harder for our covert ops there. No more CIA agents masquerading as embassy personnel but so what.
Kaybeetoys
LMFAO! So True
@ kaybeetoys #1.64
We meet again, DumbFarmBoy!
Well good for you, then you should know about these people. Tell, me why, since you lived amongst them, why do they wish us dead? Tell me, why do the governments and the Mullahs, Clerics, Imams or what ever, only say they denounce these attacks? Why won't the Saudi, Libyan, Jordanian, etc, Governments post a reward for the capture of these "criminals"? Why won't these same governments commit (The Saudis can damn sure afford it) troops, full armies, to the conquest of these terrorists? Why didn't the Pakistan government cooperate more once the bin Laden raid was over? If these are peace loving people, why are they not helping us to defeat these people who denigrate their religion? I saw that the Pope spoke out about this, where are Muslim equivalents?
Let's get back on subject, First, "DO YOU AGREE THAT OBAMA BOWED TO A KING?" and Do you agree that if he did bow as a show of respect, the King should have returned a bow? So, if the King did not bow back, would you say that he respects Obama?
And you will never hear ME complain about killing too many Muslims, at least in the context of Drone Attacks. And it was not the GOP that complained Obama AUTHORIZING, (get your facts straight) the killing bin Laden, I only heard it from liberals like Maddow and Schultz. And I never heard Romney say that, what is your source?
Nor have I read or heard any reports about this, again, what is your source? I have read reports that question the President's wisdom in supporting the Muslim Brotherhood, a known terrorist supporting organization, according to CIA and Mossad, if you believe those guys. And the way the US is involved in this mess.
No, I do not know it for fact. I have to trust what my friends and extended family tell me about the region. I have absolutely no desire, (I have heard the stories from people who have been there), to go there.
You are talking about other people and unsubstantiated reports that I can not refute. and you are asking me about flip flopping? I am afraid I do not flip flop, although, on rare occasions, I have been know to change my position based on facts and reasonable argument.
Nice paraphrase of Margaret Thatcher's Quote "If my critics saw me walking over the Thames they would say it was because I couldn't swim." Please do give credit where credit is due.
I should be grateful a self proclaimed Communist is in the White House? I should be grateful an incompetent fool is making foreign policy? that will have repercussions decades from now?
Have you read this man's book? Do you know who he really is? Do you know what he really stand for?
google "why-did-obama-use-n-word-to-describe-his-grandfather/#ixzz26glExPFr"
PS @ Kaybeetoys... You didn't refute my argument. You did not show or give evidence that the Muslim World consider Obama a strong leader, and a man not to be trifled with. You simply state that you have lived in "three Middle Eastern countries", (I will take your word for it). And then go on to change the subject, and try to obfuscate the debate with tangential arguments.
Also, you may wish to research a man named Neville Chamberlain. You may wish to compare him to a guy named Ronald Reagan. And see which strategy is better at avoiding war.
I also have a cousin who is in the foreign office and she has been to several Mid East States, and has told me many stories, and she is currently oversees in a US Embassy in the Middle East right now. BTW, she is a liberal, so I am getting both sides of the issue.
My sister, who visited France in the late 70's had only very bad things to say about Arabic men. About their manners, how they treated women, and how bad they smelled. (I am sure that has changed since the 70's) lol.
And let me ask you one more question, "Do you love Obama as a leader?" anyone? chime in.
And there is in fact one thing Obama could do that would please me. He could lose the elections. Granted I would still be stuck with Romney, but a RINO, is better than a Commie.
And I know you are too smart for this, and that you consider it a work of fiction, (even though he reads directly from Obama's book) you really should go see 'Obama 2016'. I would say it was as factual as "Bowling for Columbine" or "An Inconvenient Truth", and probably about as offensive. ;-)
You make an excellent point.
I think someone should explain to the President of Sudan how accurate Cruise Missiles are. That the guidance system is so precise that you could get it to fly up the @ss of the Sudanese president from thousands of miles away. I think he will get the message.
Oh. Really?
Damn straight send the Marines in to guard the embassy. No other country has control over whether we guard our own damn territory.
And Embassies are indeed sovereign territory of the country of the embassy.
Send 'em in to protect against an Libyan style attack regardless of what the host country thinks.
I often fall on the middle-left side of many arguements, but when it comes to this kinda stuff - WE MARINES step up to do our job - no hesitation, no questions, and we don't $&#* (#$(# wait until we're asked.
Sgt, it's not US soil until you are actually on embassy grounds. Try dropping the Marines in by chopper although Sudan will then yell about invading their air space. I have no doubt that our Marines can handle security but we can't just storm the country to get to our embassy. I dpoubt that the Sudanese police can handle the demonstrators, especially thodse with military weapons like grenade launchers. You know, everyday demonstrator things.
USA Message to Sudan: "don't want US Marines, okay, we'll send a squadron of USMC FA-18s and they'll be delivering "presents" for all of your folks - some 500 pounders, some 20 mm and lots and lots of Roman candles in the shape of air to ground missiles. Then let us know when the 50 - 200 Marines can come by to "sweep up"
Yes we can and tried before in Iran.
They have diplomatic immunity while there. Sudan by international law can't stop them. Sudanese laws are null and void regarding embassy staff, marines or not.
jack from Jax I would like to see your reaction if China would like to send over 50 Chinese elite forces to its embassy for whatever reason. You don't seem to know much about diplomatic rules. You are a guess, your embassy is your sovereign soil, but to get there you need authorization from your host country, for instance see if Julian Assange can leave the UK? As soon as he steps out of the Ecuadorian embassy to go to the airport he is on British soil and would get arrested, well as soon as our 50 Marines land in Sudan they would be surrounded by the Sudanese Army and forced to return.
If we don't trust that Sudan can protect our embassy we should close it and leave.
It won't be that hard; the embassy is sovereign territory so we just launch an air operation to deliver them.
CH-53Es loaded full could get all the marines we need on deck inside the walls with ramp and/or zip line delivery. Of course massive air cover is required to do that so there would be fixed wingers and assault helos plowing the road.
Pretty sure we've done that and pretty sure it doesn't go well for the combatant that tries to stop us. Not terribly worried about the Sudanese 'air force' or any ground forces.
That is if we are defending lives that are surrounded and under siege. If no lives at risk, just get out until they simmer down.
I love all you john Wayne/Chuck Norris tough guys sitting behind your keyboards talking trash. Send in the Marines, nuke 'em, etc. Get off your fat ass,move your beer gut and volunteer your sorry self to go over there and fight. I did my time in Vietnam. Biggest waste of a year and a half of my life ever. For what? So you could buy some cheap junk and so an increasing number of Americans can vacation and retire there. Stupid Americans. Think we are the tough guys of the world.
btw - @*#% on it - that's not a real good example. The Iranians had taken over the embassy, with 52 Americans held hostage as human shields within the embassy.
In this situation, we hold the embassy and embassy personnel are free to assist the marines in their entry and perimeter defense of the embassy.
Which means for air assets:
Vaporize anything outside the wall, protect anything inside it. Much higher likelihood of success than the Iran rescue mission.
But to be clear- we are nowhere near the situation we had in Iran.
@oneiron - I bet you won't say that face to face to a marine!!!! And I guess that makes you a bigger PU$$Y, being that your talking trash behind a keyboard and not a marine!!! What did you do in Vietnam, serve drinks...
Hey oneiron- How's ten years active duty, 2 tours in the Persian gulf and a war do to qualify me? And I'm still fighting fit- no beer gut here. I don't need to challenge anyone to a fight who talks trash, but I'm more than qualified to discuss this subject.
I'm not really advocating for unilateral military action, just defending our personnel if the embassy is in danger of being over ran. But I do see your point about being over the buckaroo mentality. Actually living through that kind of thing tends to put you off it for good.
Hay, its simple, these nut bags attack U S property, their
government will not protect our people, we go in and kick a$$ from one end of
town to the other, they want our protection but don’t dare ask them to allow us
to help our own there.
This is crap, Obama should tell them, fine, but let one person enter that compound and we will take that as a declaration of war, then we will send a hell of a lot more than 50 marines in!
DO NOT send the Marines send the congressmen and senators whom allow this to happen
Sounds like a good Ideal Rocky...
The U.S. embassies and the ground are U.S. property. No country has the right to tell any other country how and why they should protect their property no where it is located.
Send a USCG Cutter up the river to Khartoum as an typically American show of force.
send em anyway
Yeah, you go first rambo.
"DOU44
Yeah, you go first rambo."
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Rambo was a pussy and a Movie character. He's a fantasy.
The very first reaction of every $*# #*@) current and former Marine was 'What the F? Let's go boys - no one does that to our embassies.
Those in the familyof the Marine Corps don't have to be asked. WE step up and do it. We don't need the permission of some third rate country to protect our own territory (and embassies ARE). If I were still active - I'd be freaking volunteering for that duty. And I don't know a single Marine that wouldn't.
Me either. My son is a Marine and they are truly some of the best people on the planet. Keep them in your thoughts, prayers, mantras......whatever your belief system. They are keeping the rest of us free to express our differing opinions. Semper Fidelis! (Always Faithful) To the Marines posting on this site: Thank you for your service! Marine Mom
Marines will do what the Commander in Chief tells them to do.
They always have and they always will.
Dou 44 Im not a rambo However I did do over 6 years in the Marines. And if I was in that Embassy as a diplomat or employee and considering the current situition outside the embassy I would hope that the sudan security forces would be able to provide for my security. However I would also feel a little better if they beefed up the Marine detachment Just in case. So no not a rambo just a concerned citizen.
IfITellUWhoIamUcanWireTapMe?...that my friend is one really weird sign-on, very paranoid and yet funny. I mean I'm not judging you, I'm just curious...you really think that "they" don't already know who you are? Or is it kinda of asking the question...and I understand completely if you ignore this...it's just one of those things that catches a person's attention and triggers their curiosity. And By-The-Way...I agree with your statement about the Marines.
Mohammad is a child fukking pig. EXPEL ALL MUSLIMS NOW. We should kill every last one of them and erase Islam from this Earth for all time.
You are unstable and a savage unfit for living in a social setting.
You get Plorks sloppy seconds DOU44.
You are just an overly emotional semi-literate teenager with access to a computer. How much did you parents pay for it?
I voted you up DOU44, but that was a funny comeback Wildcat,you're still a retard however.
I agree with Mike...fuk Sudan. send in the Marines.
close up and leave. f them
If we do not provide our own defense, then WHy are we there??!! Close it down, put our people where they are wanted, use our money at home!!!! This the sort of common sense that BOZOhussen just does NOt comprehend!!!
Our commander in chief to weak to do that. He will just apologize and tell them how much he respects their relgion.
I guess he was showing weakness when he made the call to go into Pakistan and get Bin Laden, even though there was a chance it wasn't even Bin Laden that was in that compound? Real weakness, Huh High Rolla? Come back when you have a valid point. You right wing nut jobs make me sick. If it was left up to you, we'd be fighting forever.
Well, the let's send in Romney. Maybe he can use his Bain Capitol experstise and convince Sudan to break up into little countries to be outsourced.
It's spelled, "too", you idiot. I notice that all of the people who express raging comments about demanding President Obama out of office seem to be really ignorant and are incapable of spelling correctly, nor are they able to see straight because we have a black Commander in Chief, and really, this is the sole reason as to why people such as yourself are jumping out of their skins. It's okay for the old white men to send 3 to 4000 troops/kids off to die in Iraq as those same old white men lied about the reasons for waging war against Iraq while wielding a 9 iron on a quiet, surrene, green lush golf course somewhere down South, isn't it? You are all in-bred idiots. Why don't you just go marry your sister or a first cousin and just stay in the hills, swamps or wherever you breed and eat Spam and ketchup sandwiches as a delicacy, or is it squirrel? You're not interested in high speed rail, anyway. Tell Rush and Big Foot I said hello, by the way. Ignoramuses, you all seem to be.
Liars that think Obama has apologized for anything won't be shot down by facts bigD.
Semper Fi. Wish I was younger and still in the Corps. I'd be volunteering for the duty. Bet most all of us former's would as well.
F any country that says no to the Marines. Send 'em in anyway. We need to insure protection of our embassies and thier personnel.
Look formermarinesgt, let me remind you that if any former or current marine says "lets go" you guys only say it against pussy ass countries. If it where Russia or china you guys would be staining your panties.
Added to that you only demostrate the brutes that you are, while there is violence over there, that does not mean we just should start bombing their asses back to the rock period. All you brutes need is a punk ass crooked politician to order you to go and murder and you guys will go like the sheep that you are, no questions, you just go
Now that you have been told what you really are, go and clean the barracks,clean the @!$%# smeared toilets,polish all them boots from your company and then give me 50 push ups, cheers
Enchilada, mighty "brave" talk for a one eyed fat man" Hey Guapo, no cojones to show? Join the Marines and then you get to talk "chit" too!Instead of being a "wanna be mal muchacho"
Sorry Hi Rolla the Bin Laden raid trumps anything anyone in that office did since Grenada.
He made the promise while campaigning. He shifted the military and CIA priorities to finding Bin Laden. He put the team together to analyze the actionable intelligence. When presented with the intelligence (which still lacked any sort of direct ID of OBL) he made the call. Against many advising against it, including his VP. Best odds he was given were 50/50. He launched an air assault into a country that was technically an ally, but probably the shakiest ally we have ever had and didn't give them any warning. He ordered the back up aerial stand by which ultimately made a huge difference when the black hawk went down.
I'm not a fan of many things he has done or not done while in office, but on this there is no doubt.
He got that one right, and you can't change that.
System Down: I have voted D and R throughout my life. I do NOT currently agree with many policies of the Obama administration. Don't necessarily agree with Romney either. But I will tell you one thing. I will NEVER vote for a Democrat EVER again, due to the nonsense in their talking points about how "if you don't agree with Obama it is because you are rascist...". That is the bigeest bunch of BS and a cop out I have ever heard. The idea that he is so 'brilliant' that if anybody is against him it is because he is black. I would vote for the Green Party, Socialist Party or Tea Party long before I ever vote for a Democrat again. I could talk for pages about how offensive that is to many people but bottom line: They lost me forever with that BS
Mike430, are you in clown school?
Actualy Obama banned waterboarding and according to the former head of the CIA it was waterboarding that got the information about the courrier. As a former combat vet and member of the 82nd airborne I can assure you that the speical forces that were sent in had a better tha 50/ 50 chance. In fact One of the choppers went down and they still completed the mission. That was 100% Seals training and experience that did that.
As a Persian Gulf war veteran I agree that spec ops had much better than a 50/50 chance of success. The 50/50 was if OBL was even there. Obama's plan to have a back up contingency group in the air is what made the down chopper nothing but a speed bump in the operation.
Considering the security OBL had (or lacked) I would say we presented an overwhelming force scenario. More like 95% chance of success.
Deservedly the SeALs get all the credit for the success of the operation. Obama just gets credit for launching it, but would have gotten all the blame if it had failed. That's the breaks of being POTUS.
Agreed. Close the embassy and cut off any and all aid and relief. Send a message loud and clear that all Muslim nations can hear.
Even though "the movie" was on YouTube for months prior to the collective indignation of thousands of Middle Eastern Islamists all coming together on the eleventh anniversary of September 11th (through wild coincidence, no doubt), we are being told by our government and our media overlords that we must blame the movie.
You see, if we blame the movie for the burning of our foreign outposts and the brutal murders of four Americans (including our Libyan ambassador who was reportedly raped), we won't blame the burners and the looters and the murderers and the rapists.
You see, if we blame the movie for the Middle East burning, we won't blames the Islamists who are doing the burning and looting and raping and murdering.
Which means we won't further connect the dots and blame Obama's failed Middle East policy; the Obama Doctrine of backing away from the region and allowing events to unfold as America stands idly by -- as the Islamists in the Muslim Brotherhood grab hold of power in Egypt, a country that was once our largest and closest ally.
Blame the filmmaker.
Hunt him.
Out him.
Demonize him.
Burn the straw man!
And all at the direction of a president of the United States who has sworn to uphold the Constitution, you know, the same Constitution that treasures the right of free expression and speech above all else.
Ah yes - the 'we can't blame the racist bigot who made an intentionally incendiary movie that was intended to cause this kind of problem for lighting the rag on the jar of gasoline - we can only blindly blame 'them dirty mooslims'....
The simplistic idiocy of believing that line of crap AND the lie of 'Obama's failed middle east policy' makes me wanna throw up.
1) NO ONE IS FAILING TO BLAME THE ATTACKERS FOR THIER ACTIONS - please get this through your thick skulls people.
2) WE ARE INCLUDING THE IDIOT WHO MADE THIS INCENDIARY MOVIE FOR INTENTIONALLY CREATING THE SITUATION THAT ALLOWED OUR ENEMIES TO USE THE SITUATION FOR THIER ADVANTAGE - in simpler terms - this movie was the proverbial 'yelling fire in a crowded theater'. It was done INTENTIONALLY in order to create the problems it is doing.
You blindly blame Obama for failed policy - of which there is much arguement that you are wrong, but in essense you are telling us that the actions of the idiot who made the movie while knowing what the impact would be - is free of blame BUT because you disagree with Obama, Obama is directly resonsible for his own actions (or lack thereof).
You're creating a straw man while you argue that everyone ELSE is creating a straw man.
PATHETIC
I can't believe you were a Marine. What is that dribble about anyway? Your saying we can't dare offend the muslims? Then what do you think about all the offensive stuff out there in movies and real life about the Catholics and Mormons? The muslims are the only one who kill on a whim. The only ones who destroy everything around them. Over nothing. Stupid religion anyway you look at it. Just way more primitive and violent than any other religion. Any faith that threats their women the way muslims do will always be my enemy.
form.&.bad...I call BS on you couple of panty- wanna be!! All any one with REAL service has to do is listen to your dribble!! Under BOZOhussen is the only time in this Free Country that We the People have to fear our own government!! NO respect for the flag or the Star Spangled Banner...Janet Naples(she has gotta be Mafia) as Homeland security head tells us that We need to fear vets more than MuslimTerrorists!! She sues Arizona for trying to secure it's border, she is NOT Pro-AMErican!! Holder &BozoHussen trade machine guns to the Mexican cartel for drugs, and then claim national security and executive privilege when congress starts to investigate!!! tell the parents of murdered hero Brian Terry your slop! Even your KOolaid drinking buddies at the DNC do NOT believe it...
Try in on someone else.....you , like your messiah have failed!!!
Former Marine Sergeant...I don't know about you, but when I raised my hand at the enlistment ceremony I took an oath to defend the United States and the Constitution, etc.. So, with that in mind and the fact that political and religious speech is protected (even flag burning and calling the Pope a fascist, etc.) it's incumbent on those who believe in oaths given and a word taken, that the moron who made the video/movie had a right (and no common sense) to make a movie criticizing Muslims. Of course, we don't agree with him and we all agree that it was a boneheaded stunt that met his own needs of self-gratification, but if we string him up, don't we have a right to shoot that minister who demonstrates at funerals? If that guy who made the video deserves to be put in a wood chipper feet first, then how do we find the people smart enough to draw the line of who goes in the wood chipper next? That my friend is the crux of the matter and until we can assure ourselves we know where to draw the line for who's next into the wood chipper we're better off sticking to the oaths we swore to defend with our lives.
What? The horse is already OUT of the barn? DANG!
Since when do we take orders from Nand Siggers?
Out of our minds: God, your beautiful ! I love it
out-of-our-minds - you're pathetic.
when will the media ask obama, why he campaigned right after the killings in lybia, why obama didn't send in more marines after learning of the threat 48 hours before it happened, why he didn't know egypt was an ally, why he sent mixed message to that of his embassy concerning the 'video'. these questions will never be asked...although the media will 'gang tackle" romney on his comments.
BOBAMA;
Answer: When Hell freezes over! POTUS-44 is the "Puppet" for GE/Universal/Disney/ABC/CBS/TURNER/CNN?Soros/SEIU et al. Their NOT going to ask a "Puppet" any hard questions, it is against their own agendas to do so.
Now I'm NOT saying that Romney would be any better (he would be the "Puppet" for Fox/Rush/Koch et al)...the whole two-party cesspool is broken and needs to be replaced. The sooner the better.
Now about Sudan: We should send in the US Marines just to show that we can, then we should pack-up-our-@!$%# and leave the Middle-East and tell them we don't need their f@*king oil...we have more than enough here in US - we just need to harvest it. As we leave the Middle-East our checkbook comes home with us!!!!!!!!
Agree! Now can someone tell me why we don't do this? Seriously, a real answer, I want to know. If we are worried about the ecological impact of drilling, refining etc why don't we care that they do it over in the desert? I mean, it effects the global environment and not just their little part of the world. Right? So it shouldn't matter that we do it here or they do it there, at least ecologically. Why do we remain dependent on these barbarians who hate us? We have plenty of resources why not use them? Can someone explain why we don't?
BOBAMA-2264244 - "when will the media ask obama, why he campaigned right after the killings in lybia, why obama didn't send in more marines after learning of the threat 48 hours before it happened, why he didn't know egypt was an ally, why he sent mixed message to that of his embassy concerning the 'video'. these questions will never be asked"
The answer to your question is 2 words - Executive Priviledge, followed shortly by sealing his golf game card as a matter of national security. Besides, why prevent a photo op and an opportunity to make a political statement? I mean come on, let's be honest here. Disaster, tragedy, and a phony appearance of caring is easily good for a few thousand votes from mindless sheep that couldn't find thier way out of thier own ass with 2 extra hands holding the cheeks open and a neon light pointing the way to EXIT ONLY.
I personally believe Obama had a Bush Moment in regards to 9/11. I am sure some libtard will spin it to blame Bush or Cheney or hell I don't know blame the entire Republican Party for not signing a blank check to bribe our enemies with...
Redhead, look at the disastrous results in the Gulf of Mexico from the oil spill and the effects on one of the most productive fisheries in the world and the people who made their living on it. 700+ dolphins dead too. Ecosystem effects for decades, if not more. It definitely is worse when it is on American soil, at least for Americans who depend on the natural resources that are affected. I am not supporting what is done in the desert of the mid-East, but we have better environmental regulations here in the US to protect things like air quality and water quality for all citizens, not just the rich. Large and small aquifers and surface water supplies can also be poisoned by spills, fracking, coal mining, etc. We need clean water. Of course, shipping oil also results in spills. The best answer is that we need to continue to support clean energy, because we have amazing resources in wind, solar, tidal, and wave power that we could exploit without harming human health and doing less damage to the ecosystems that provide us with clean air and water (e.g., the ocean, river networks, wetlands, forests). But even if we are energy independent, we would probably continue to be involved in mid-eastern affairs due to our alliance with Israel and the fact that a lot of nations have nuclear weapons in the region.
Woodrat -
Thanks for answering my question. I understand what you are saying, and it makes sense that we would exploit their environment before we ruin ours but there must be a way for us to extract our own resources without hurting the ecosystems you speak of.
If we can go to the moon we can surely figure this out, right?
I'm not suggesting we wouldn't be involved some way out there but the less we need them the better we are. We can still support Israel without having to be energy dependent on the middle east.
Why aren't Muslims tearing up here in the United States?
Cause they're in the minority here.
Because we have successfully thwarted several of their attempts here within the US...so now they are seeking softer targets and they have found them.
They have also found a weak LEADER who the are now testing and finding him to be a coward, DO NOT expect this to end soon or peacefully.
We should ALL be watching and communicating with Israel VERY Closely - and Odumo won't even meet with Israel PM!!!!!!!!!! Totally INEPT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Close the Embassy down, shut down the Sudan's Embassy in the U.S., no tourists visas for people from that Country, and NO MORE FINANCIAL AID to that Country or any others, who act in the same manner. The U.S. could use the money more beneficially here in our own Country.
Wait till they hit about ten percent of the population, Mr. Binkie. The US will never be the same after that point. It might happen sooner. They have sworn to destroy Western civilization. We've forgotten that. They haven't. What you've been seeing the past few days is just a preview of things to come.
Because doing time in federal prisons is no fun at all. Those Sadies Hawkins nights in the slammer are hell, not a virgin in sight, and Muslims's can't dance worth a damn anyway.
Mr. Binkie...I hate you and love you all at the same time. I hate you because you have the coolest sign-on and I wasn't clever or witty enough to think of it first (damn you), and I love you because you were smart enough to grab it. I mean...I'm at a loss for words right now...I need a nap.
Could it be that Muslims here in America are, by and large, Americans, just like Christians, Mormons and Baptists here are also Americans with American thoughts and values. We understand American values, we do not understand tribal Middle Eastern thought processes and values at all. It was the same thing in Viet Nam except the Vietnamese people are not as ruled by violent emotions as the tribal semitic peoples of the Middle East. We needed to get out of Viet Nam, just like we need to get out of the Middle East
GTR5: I agree with you. There does not seem to be any reason for us to maintain embassies in these countries any longer. Our soldiers and civilians are just sitting ducks there. Furthermore, the people who made the film in California which instigated these attacks made the film only to anger the Muslim world and draw us into supporting Isreal's imminent attack on Iran's nuke facilities. I am all for free speech, but this film was ONLY intended to draw the U.S. further into the fray. We should close all those embassies. What are they accomplishing since 911 anyway?
Don't want those troops there? Fine. That leaves us one of two choices: either send the troops anyway (what are they going to do, try and stop them? Bwahahahahaha...) OR break off diplomatic relations and all financial and material aid (c. $910 million) and tell them to pound sand.
We'll probably sending them a big check, so they'll allow the Marines. That's how it works there.
F**K Islam. Throughout history has done nothing but cause problems. All you libtards have to say is that christians did the same thing.....Do you see christians acting this way today..no. We want to blame everything else but what islam truly is. Oh their not educated, or their feelings are hurt. Sorry, I dont buy it. This was not because the lame azz movie. This is in retaliation for Bin Laden. Plain and simple. Although our current administration wants to keep playing this movie card to appease the situation. I say we take these bastards out once and for all. And if you think the muslims that live in our country are peaceful.....just wait. I personally invite as many that one to come to my home and see whats waiting for you.
Welcome to the club. Sounds like your eyes have been open for a while.
Repeating the lie that Obama or his Adm ever apologized, where does that get us?
I do realize that the "memo" went out to all GOP pundit's and the fox news talking points are the only ones allowed, but come back to reality.
There are 1 Billion Muslims around the world, and so reacting to the small minority of extremist's get's us what?
No they weren't. We know this, why do they keep repeating this lie? What they did Friday was jump on the bandwagon and riot because everyone else was. This movie is a red herring.
And so what if they don't want the Marines there? They can't do the job correctly so we have to. Send them in anyway. Sheesh could we look any weaker?
Yes, the movie is a red herring, nothing more. Muslims are insane and any excuse is good enough for them to slaughter. We have a stupid administration that panders to Islam believing that it will have the desired effect. It won't. Ever. Islam is poison.
We have to ask their permission ? Pussy President !!!!
If this isn't an indictment of how Pathetically Weak and Unrespected Hussein Zero and his Disgraceful administration is, nothing is. Sudan telling the US NO? Hussein will probably do his usually muslim Bowing routine. Good Riddance again to this Useless POS. Throw All the TRASH out of Our White House in November. Disgusting is a compliment Hussein and his Deluded followers deserve more than anyone.
Russia would say no as well. And? Should Sudan send 50 soldiers to its building in DC?
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is there rioting at their DC Embassy? Your statement is invalid. It was because Sudan did not provide adequate security for the US Embassy.
You idiot, Sudan can tell us anything they want. You Romney people say that you believe in the Constitution and free speech, but that's only when others say what you want to hear. Besides, you have no respect for our sitting President, so I have no respect for you. You sir are the one that's disgusting.
WOOOHOOOO!!!! BOB YOU ARE SOOOOO SMAAART!!! Tell me, how do you manage to walk around all day holding up that BIG HUGE BRAIN OF YOURS???
* MORE YEARS!!! GOOOOBAMA! ...because when Americans are soooooo utterly retarded that they are unable to even comprehend the meaning of the word "sovereignty" they don't deserve any embassies!
When Sudan starts pushing you around you know your global status has sunk so low that earthworms are peeing on you.
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I'd like you to read this article about one of the worst attacks on our armed forces. The POTUS was none other than the right wings champion Ronald Reagan. 241 American servicemen lost their lives to a suicide bombing 220 Marines, 18 Sailors and 3 Soldiers. His response was no retaliation, he did however remove all American forces. I'm an independent slightly left leaning voter. This is just one example of American foreign policy mistakes that our leaders have made for many years. The list is so long I'd wear out my keyboard. So our current POTUS joins the club of puppets controlled by Corporate America's lobbyists. As for our current decay of the American dream you can thank R.R. His income reform act of 1986 opened the door for the trickle down economy which started the decline of the middle class and created more working class poor Americans. Funny how history repeats itself now we have Mitt Robme to further the decent of our middle class. Lets take a gumpisim stupid is as does, you don't what your gonna get from a box of candy.
My computer expertise is limited to the on off button the article I refer to the 1838 Beirut barracks bomb attack on wikipedia. Sorry for the confusion .
I would empty our our missions everywhere and take the money with me. Stop buying oil from the middle east and lets see how long it will take for them to kill themselves off. This religion and people are barbaric in nature and will remain so.
US oil corps have made drilling proposals. Not going to be another Foxnews thugfest invasion against this third world country- sorry cowboys. China's big petro firms are already there drilling away. US war bots are lost souls.
There is really only one practical solution. We hand over the people responsible for the movie to the sand-@!$%#s; after all, their sheer stupidity and hatred along with their obvious intent to stir more hatred deserves as much. The sand-@!$%#s will deal with them appropriately and leave the rest of us alone until the next @!$%# does something stupid.
So, are you not for freedom of speech? If you have no values then get the **** out of my country idiot. Good ridence.
I say we give them WTFYFF instead. He wants to hand over those who yell the loudest about injustices of Islam ?
Maybe he'll feel differently when five guys are holding him down as his head is pulled back by his hair, and a sword is cutting through his neck.
I'm angry and sick to my stomach from all the violence stemming from the "religion of peace", and I'm just as sick of those who seek a restrained response when these atrocities occur.
Lets give them Obama, and WTFYFF, and anyone else who sympathizes with their violence.
GTR5: Sounds logical to me