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Subscribe to RSSFour U.S. troops fighting with the NATO-led alliance were killed in another suspected "insider" attack in southern Afghanistan. NBC's Atia Abawi reports.
Updated at 12:05 p.m. ET: Four U.S. soldiers fighting with the NATO-led alliance were killed in an apparent insider shooting in southern Afghanistan on Sunday, the Pentagon confirmed.
A Pentagon spokesman did not have further details, including which branch of services the Americans belonged to, Reuters reported.
The shooting took place in Zabol, a southern province where U.S. forces are based, and came a day after two British soldiers were shot dead by an Afghan policeman while returning from a patrol in southern Helmand province — a stronghold of the Taliban-led insurgency.
Local authorities also told NBC News that the four killed were Americans.
An International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) statement described the incident as "an insider attack suspected to involve members of the Afghan police."
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One attacker who was wearing an Afghan National Police uniform (ANP) was also killed in the fighting, a source told Reuters.
At least 51 foreign military personnel have been killed in "insider" attacks this year, attacks which have put a heavy strain on trust between the coalition and Afghanistan as they move towards handing security responsibility to Afghan forces by the end of 2014.
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The rise in such attacks has led to the training of new recruits to the Afghan army and police being suspended.
The Taliban indicates that deadly attacks on U.S. personnel in Afghanistan were in response to an anti-Islam video. NBC's Atia Abawi reports.
With foreign combat troops withdrawing from the increasingly unpopular and expensive war, the enormous cultural divide that still separates Afghans and their allies after 11 years of conflict has become more of a concern than ever.
The NATO-led coalition and its Afghan counterparts have created a special Joint Casualties Assessment Team to investigate every attack, which number at least 37 this year.
In more than half of cases, attackers are either killed or escape and the motive never emerges, making it more difficult for the coalition to stem the surge.
Adding to the toll of coalition deaths caused by insider attacks over the weekend, two were killed and nine wounded in Friday's attack on Camp Bastion, one of the worst attacks on a NATO-operated base all year.
Six Harrier jets were destroyed and two were significantly damaged in the raid on the camp airfield, carried out by 15 insurgents wearing U.S. Army uniforms and split between three teams, a NATO statement said on Sunday.
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Three refueling stations were destroyed and six aircraft hangars were damaged. Britain's Prince Harry was at Camp Bastion at the time of Friday's attack, but was unharmed.
US forces based at Kabul International Airport in Afghanistan take part in a memorial service marking the 11th anniversary of the September 11 attacks. NBCNews.com's Dara Brown reports.
All but one of the attackers were killed, with the remaining fighter taken into custody by coalition forces.
ISAF said the attack was "well-coordinated". A statement said: "The insurgents, organized into three teams, penetrated at one point of the perimeter fence. The insurgents appeared to be well equipped, trained and rehearsed. Dressed in U.S. Army uniforms and armed with automatic rifles, rocket propelled grenade launchers and suicide vests, the insurgents attacked coalition fixed and rotary wing aircraft parked on the flight line, aircraft hangars and other buildings."
With foreign combat troops withdrawing from the unpopular and expensive war by the end of 2014, the enormous cultural divide that still separates Afghans and their allies after 11 years of war has become more of a concern than ever.
The NATO-led coalition and its Afghan counterparts have created a special Joint Casualties Assessment Team to investigate every attack.
In more than half of the cases, attackers are either killed or escape and the motive for the incident never emerges, making it more difficult for the coalition to stem the surge in incidents.
Reuters contributed to this report.
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Trust a Muslim and you die that is the way of the world.
Mr. President, how's is that reaching out to the Muslim countries working for you? Let me tell you it's not working for me, I am sick of seeing our troops killed by so called Afghan police that we have trained. Get our troops out of Afghanistan!!! In fact get out of the middle east, they will kill one another off.
Muslims are like rabid dogs, you cannot befriend a rabid dog.
Those men died because of Roneys criticism that Obama is weak.. the man should be shot for comforting the enemy.
William - you are right, but people won't listen. Muslims are taught to put allah above everything else and to lie to gain trust - they don't care about anyone else. If you are not supportive of sharia law, islam, muslim beliefs, they will kill you while smiling in your face. That's just the way they were taught.
sharriannie - obama's reach out to the muslim world is working out great, he is a muslim and they are taking over all over the world. These little spats are just 'tests'. Wait until they decide they have enough power and the real character of all the nice 'peace' lowing muslims will show - hate filled murderers.
Yes, we trust these muslims as our 'major ally' and what it brought us: 51 killed so far this year alone by insider green on blue attacks, mostly Afghan soldiers that we train and give them weapon to kill us. A total of 6 were killed over the last 24 hours (2 British in first attack, and now 4 more). The only thing we benefit out of being there is a boost to the plastic bags industry.
Start arresting and detaining their families when one of these sh-t fingered backstabbers pull their triggers. Let them know (before they die) that their ENTIRE family will never see the light of day again because of what they have done. Put the onus on the shooter by making HIM decide to drag his family into his little Jihad too!!!
Then after we kill him, back a wood chipper up to his humble abode and paint his house with his remains....
Ridiculous. I was serving alongside Muslim Americans in the US Army regularly. Hell, we had a young 11b in our company that was probably the hardest working Private I ever met (and he also gave large chunks of his already crappy pay check to charities).
The religion alone isn't bad; its what happens when uneducated, bigoted people use it as a method of grabbing power. The same thing happened in Europe during the dark ages with the Catholic church. These days the catholic church does a lot of good work. Lebanon is a big mix of christian and muslim persons and they have been living together peacefully for a very long time.
Muslims are people. Period. No better and no worse than everyboy else. Their religion can be exploited for bad things just like most other religions.
Aside from that, many people here are making an enormous mistake in framing this as an argument that muslims are bad. You cannot fight a religion with bombs or guns; that is genocide. You can, however, fight bad cultural practices with education. There are huge advantages in our way of life compared to theirs; those become very obvious very quickly to people from those countries who come here. Safety, economic security, happiness and freedom. '
Sure, we have some bitterness between our political parties but for the most part we fight it out with elections... not suicide bombings. People have a tendency to prefer elections to violent revolutions.
The culture of the Middle East is the problem; not the religion. We have the more advanced culture; they will convert to our way of life way before we convert to theirs. In our country, Jews and Muslims work side by side and live in peace. Extremists are only allowed to exist in their cultures because their governments are often controlled by the same religious extremists who in turn propagate the intolerance of other ways of life but their youth are more and more like us.
They watch our TV, read our books, watch our movies, listen to our music and learn our culture all the time. When was the last time you read a Pakistani book that mentioned Pakistani values. We are already winning the war. For every terrorist who tries to come here to cause problems, thousands more of their people come here learn our way of life and return home. It's not the other way around.
They already got Bin Laden, keep spending there are hungry children in North America
Have another slice of monkey brain pie.
*Rolls eyes*
Monkey Brain Pie? Now I am really going to pay attention to someone that serves up Monkey Brain Pie!
and then to top it off... Rolls his eyes.
Now to the story...or should I say the PROBLEM... this craziness must end, now! We don't need to worry about looking weak and leaving...we look weak by staying and getting the crap kicked out of us by stone age ignorant savages.
WHEN YOU KEEP DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND EXPECTING DIFFERENT RESULTS... THAT IS INSANITY!
You make some good points Chris. Thanks for the insights, and thanks for your service.
Four more Americans dead in Afghanistan. Another resounding triumph for Obama!!!!
Chris, every religion can be twisted to fit the views of the believer. There is NO good or bad religion, just plain different beliefs. It rubs salt on the wounds when Hillary insists that as Americans are getting killed over Islam religion that Islam she proclaims is a wonderful religion. Again there is NO wonderful religion.
Recently a very religious man did some service work for me and gave me his interpretation of the bible. I can't say whether he is right or wrong, but I can say that absolutely nothing will alter his way of thinking. He is committed just like those believing that Americans are the enemy.
The real problem is that due to several events that American deems a success, our relations in the Muslim world has grossly deteriorated. They hate the drones. They ONLY see the innocent deaths and never believed there were any bad guys to begin with. They hate that the US invaded Pakistan to get OBL. They hate that the blind sheik is in prison. The list is long. We just can't think for a minute we can broker a mature relationship with that part of the world. There is too much poverty, ignorance, that can easily be whipped into a frenzy.
Obama has been incredibly naive. He is on record saying that Muslim relationships would improve a lot once he was made president because he was once a Muslim and lived amongst Muslims and understands them. Seriously, these statements were made while Obama was candidate Obama. The fact is they don't like him either as long as he is an American.
It's amazing that our own POTUS can make this claim about Americans but refuses to say it to the Muslim world.
The dysfunctional policies we have seen in the Middle East have finally exploded into violence unlike ever before. To blame this massive chaos on a 5 minute video insults our intelligence. This is purely a miscalculation of policy and as a result we brought an ambassador and three consulate officials home in caskets.
Barrack Hussein and Secretary of State Clinton are to blame. Being the main cheerleaders of the Arab Spring has now backfired on them as they obviously miscalculated the transition of once peaceful regimes into the hands of Islamic extremists.
The results of the changes are obviously out of our hands but the safety of American citizens is not. To have been so disconnected during the 9/11 anniversary can only be seen as a failure of simple safety policies. This is unacceptable. As a result the Middle East, Asia and Africa are more disorganized than ever.
Miscalculation that results in this level of violence is a result of incompetence. Incompetence is not the result of some video, it's because inability to grasp the complexity of foreign policy. Most of these countries are illiterate and dominated by religious extremists. History has taught us this is a volatile combination. Not being prepared for this shows the lack of experience, or more ominously, a disregard for protecting our citizens abroad.
As our domestic and economic policies continue to collapse this gross miscalculation can only confirm the need to replace this incompetent president. This is not the time for on the job training for a junior senator whose only previous experience was writing a few books about himself. This is the result of electing leadership based on emotion rather than ability.
2008 is exposing itself as the horrible mistake many of us foresaw. An Ivy League elitist with policies created in the faculty lounge will never be able to confront real life issues such as we have today. The disregard for so many problems can only mean that Barrack Hussein is incapable and will not become capable any time soon to lead our great nation out of the mess he has created.
Never letting a good crisis go to waste may be an issue to debate, the problem is when our leaders keep creating the crisis. This can no longer be allowed.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 for real Americans
It never ceases to amaze, that not matter what attrocities radical Muslims commit, their fellow Muslims will never denounce them and usually will rush to defend them!
@Chris735081,
Thank you Sir. For Everything.
Highway Star Even the muslims the State Department has been bringing in, who school their own off-spring in most cases, so they won't pick up American culture, say nothing. Go to your local social security office and they are there with their head scarves and ME dresses, 2-3 kids, applying or getting benefits. They never worked in the US and don't speak the language. Some drag their bags of taxpayer paid for pills and seek disability so they can stay home. Then they are allowed to build their ME style mosques. I have felt sorry for my children's futures since The State Department started this trend. What Trend? Immigrating uneducated, unskilled people and then allowing their relatives access. Maybe, Mrs. Clinton will take the last two months of here term to change this since her rude awakening in Libya, Egypt, Yeman, etc. this week..
Why people expect a different result from people whose country is occupied and destroyed?
You expect them to invite NATO soldiers for dinner? You are seriously delusional if you think either NATO or USA is in Afghanistan to help Afghans.
Chris 735081
Excellent post!
In the midst of all the ignorance, hatred and bigotry on this discussion thread you have injected some intelligent thoughtful points. Americans generally applaud a knee-jerk reaction to events in the world. I can sympathize with people who have sons and daughters in Afghanistan. I worry for my grandson and nephews, but I can't blame Obama for the war in that area. He didn't start them, but he was given the job to finish a war in both Iraq and Afghanistan. He has accomplished at least part of that.
I don't believe he is a Muslim, that's just right wing stupidity. I also don't believe he is a piece of c**p, that's just racist hatred, similar to the hatred directed against Abraham Lincoln when he engaged in a war to preserve the Union. Withdrawing from Afghanistan has already begun. If it were done faster the Republicans would cry out that it was 'cut and run', slower and it would be 'dragging our feet'.
Anyone who tries to implement change is going to run into resistance from those who think it should be done faster, better, or not at all. I believe Obama is doing the best job he can under the circumstances, and doing far better than any of his opposition could.
Hello folks, more soldiers killed in a foreign country that we occupy, I'm shocked I tell you.
It’s getting that nobody appreciates a good ransacking and pillage of their countries anymore, what is wrong with these people? We helped them burn their pesky books (I think they are called the Koran) and even in our biggest act of humanitarianism our soldiers provided their dead emaciated soldiers with their own moisture ( I think it’s called urine) to moisturize their skin from the hot desert air. We have even given them one of our most precious metals and generously (I think it’s called depleted uranium), the gift that keeps on giving for generations. These people don't appreciate nothing I tell you!
And what are we if not magnanimous in looking out for their best interest in building up their economy? From a modest 185 tons at the start of American intervention in 2001, Afghanistan now has produced 8,200 plus tons of opium, a remarkable 53 percent of the country’s GDP and 93 percent of global heroin supply. Where’s the gratitude?
We in our short span as a country have bombed over 65 plus countries and have been at war for 216 of our 236 years. Can you hear those proud unenlightened American sheeple, “USA, USA, USA”!
Bring on Armigdeion. Bomb them Ayrabs. $mitt Robmey is the man to do it. Its the lords work!
HEY PJ.....Thanks for taking a break from Al-Jehzerra long enough to make another mindless Muslim post!!!!
Chris-735081 I don't agree with you that it is a cultural thing. If it is cultural thing why do we see the same behaviour by all these mooselimbs in Indonesia, Philippines, Malaysia, Xingiang (China), India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iran, Iraq, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Nigeria, Kenya, Sudan, Somalia, Chechnya, Australia etc. These are people from different parts of the world and the only thing common to all of them is their religion. Their religion is what drives them to these extremes. Let us not try to be politically correct by parroting the words "It is a religion of peace". We need to say it like it is and confront these people bluntly. We are taking too much of their nonsense.
Chris.... I understand your sentiment however you missed the point. The US is not against a "religion" but a line in the sand must be drawn when those IN the Religion use it as a pretext for violence. The Nazi's was a "ideology" that we didn't agree with but hey they had their own politics and was coming out of their own "great depression" but a line was drawn when they were using that as a pretext of genocide... WWII. Then the Japanese felt that emperor was god sent and was destined to rule the world. It culminated in the dropping of not one but 2 atomic bombs.... They are considered a economic "ally" to this day. I'm not advocating blood shed.. but a line must be drawn... the "they are people" is not the question... Of course they are.
They have loves, hates, aspirations just like here in the US.. the question is: "What are you doing as a people?" I'm telling you and all on the vine... The US may be war weary... but we are not "tired" of war. I'm a retired soldier... Medic I (unfortunately) seen some pretty horrible things during peace time.. the Para Olympics just concluded as you see many there... war vets, injured in war... I'm not saying a perpetual fight, and I long to return to the time when Egypt and other "Muslim" countries were vacations spots but... a line must be drawn...
We can argue that "line" should be the US not to give in to bloodshed just to "keep" our place in this world.. that we should "attack" with Art, Education, Reason.. but when the enemy is "attacking" with Suicide bombs, Killing Americans because....???? They are Americans?? and they are at the gates.... You can't "preach" to them.. you can only draw a line in the sand...
You can argue WE through the first stone. But when that "stone" is a American exercising free speech.. Not in Tunisia, Not in Egypt, Not in Libya but in the US and "they" Kill us.. ????
When is it too much, when can I respond... A line in the sand MUST be drawn..
Hello Flame, the lines have been drawn, their called sovereign countries borders!
Why is it other countries feel like they have to defend their territory? Could it be that they know we have no problem invading their sovereignty just as we have done to countless other countries. Since World War II, 90% of the casualties of war are unarmed civilians. 1/3 of them children. Our victims have done nothing to us. From Palestine to Afghanistan to Iraq to Somalia to Syria to wherever our next target may be, their murders are not collateral damage, they are the nature of modern warfare. They don't hate us because of our freedoms. They hate us because every day we are funding and committing crimes against humanity. The so-called "war on terror" is a cover for our military aggression to gain control of the resources of western Asia.
This is sending the poor of this country to kill the poor of those Muslim countries. This is trading blood for oil. This is genocide, and to most of the world, we are the terrorists. In these times, remaining silent on our responsibility to the world and its future is criminal. And in light of our complicity in the supreme crimes against humanity in Iraq and Afghanistan, and ongoing violations of the U.N. Charter in International Law, how dare any American criticize the actions of legitimate resistance to illegal occupation.
Many of our soldiers don't fight for America, they fight for their lives and their buddies beside them, because we put them in a war zone. They're not defending our freedoms, they're laying the foundation for permanent military bases to defend the freedoms of Exxon Mobil and British Petroleum.
We in our short span as a country have bombed over 65 plus countries and have been at war for 216 of our 236 years.
Highway star - stop drinking cool-aid. Tell me like an adult what's wrong with what I said.
I have said it before, and I will say it again. NEVER fight a war in some other persons back yard. Build your own country, secure your own borders and take care of your own first. Help only those who help you and fire back on those who attack you.
In the Middle East,as well as Viet Nam, you Never know friend from foe. And letting possible foes come in as friends is down right stupid. sorry
Teapartyrus, Wow!! You must be really smart with that kind of deep thinking! Now go back to your Gay and lesbian site and leave the straight people alone.
Doesn't sound like we are winning in Afghanistan. Six Harrier Jets destroyed and two more "totaled" at a cost of $15 million apiece comes to $120 million. Add another $22 million for the other things destroyed in the attack and you've got $142 million in just one attack!
And even Abrams tanks are being quietly withdrawn from Afghanistan. The losses in Afghanistan far exceed those in Iraq and are a closely held military secret, but we do now that the wide flat lightly armored bottom has made them so vulnerable to IEDs that they are being quietly all withdrawn to try to save them. There are already about 3500 Abrams tanks lined up in a California desert depot and more are joining them every day. Anniston Army Depot (which repairs them) is full to capacity with tanks in need of repair/refurbishment/upgrade. At theis point the Pentagon is seriously considering asking for a complete replacement for the Abrams because it has performed so poorly in Afghanistan. (The GOP House, on the other hand is forcing them to take another 1,000 Abrams tanks that they don't want.)
Time to dede out of Afghanistan. We lost in Korea, we lost in Vietnam, we lost in Iraq, and we are losing in Afghanistan. We even lost in Lebanon. We need to stick to people we can beat --- Serbia, Grenada, Panama, etc. We did best against countries like Grenada which had no military. But even with Panama and Grenada the results were so disappointing that the Army and Marines replaces hundreds of senior and mid-level officers.
4 more dead and these squarely rest on obamas shoulders. why hasnt he brought them home?
first another credit downgrade and now this. how much longer are americans going to let this guy be president? he is killing this country with his policies
We have operators who are stationed throughout the country. They blend in (somewhat) because they have gone 'native'. They directly and indirectly kill many of who we consider enemy (please don't ask me who that is...I do not know the roe). Then there's our uniformed soldiers, sailors, marines and air force. They are exacting a pretty heavy toll on the enemy also. Infrastructure is being built and once-in-a-lifetime medical care is being provided to people in need. I don't need to be told this. I know it. I lived it for 20+ years.
The 'enemy' (tailban or whomever they happen to be) cannot attack in force. Therefore they do what smaller and lesser equipped forces do: infilitrate their 'enemy' and kill them from the inside. They consider our above tactics plus a bunch of others in the same cowardly light as we see their actions. Two sides...same coin.
Politics aside, some of you wingnuts on both sides need to get things in perspective. War equals death. And it isn't going to stop. It never has and it never will. Not as long as there are at least two people in close proximity of each other. Yes, we need to get out of Afghanistan. As for the deaths being 'useless' and 'careless' or whatever you're calling them, you're wrong. When you put your weapon on the ground and hold a small child who has been given life's second chance, or, just the total opposite, your purpose has been intimately defined. If you can't or won't understand this, then I feel sorry for you.
"Every man's death diminishes me, therefore seek not to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee."
You are ONE GIGANTIC AZZHOLE - how can one person hold so much stupid in them without exploding! You shouldn't be out in public without someone watching you........carefully!
Chris-735081
Chris, the culture of the Middle East IS their religion. It is also their law. This is a powerful weapon when indoctrinated into the illiterate mind.
To believe that they will somehow “come around” to our way of thinking is misguided. There are over 1.6 billion Muslims in the world with the highest concentrations in the nations we see these riots occurring in. No one is claiming that all Muslims are bad. But if 10% of them are, where is the outrage of the 90% who aren’t?
This is similar to the problem we have with illegal immigration here. No one believes that all immigrants are bad people, but why do they insist on harboring and assisting those that are bad? If those that are good don’t feel it important to expose the illegal’s, especially the criminals, then we can’t have any respect for them.
76%-80% of Americans are Christians. When some idiots make fun of our religions we don’t go on a rampage and kill innocent people or take over embassies or consulates. Of course there are the occasional miscreants who have an agenda but we don’t have riots, vandalism, mayhem and murder like the Muslims do.
Knowing this we must either heighten our security in all these dysfunctional nations or remove our citizens from harm’s way. This is where leadership must be proactive rather than reactive. This misguided notion that some video just happened to cause upheaval in dozens of cities around the world is ridiculous. These are easy terrorist targets. The fact that it happened on the anniversary of 9/11 was not coincidental, it was premeditated.
Today we lost 4 more of our brave troops. The new buzzword is “insider” attack.
BULLS**T!
This was a murder or, more accurately, an assassination. This war on terror, military kinetic action, man-caused-disaster, counter insurgency or whatever politically correct nonsense we want to label it as, is a disaster.
Yes, we must maintain our sphere of influence globally but we also have to let the radical elements that we will not be sitting ducks waiting to address their out of control religious outrage. We as a nation are tolerant to a fault compared to the rest of the world.
We allow illegal’s to come to this country and we send emissaries to other countries, the extremists take advantage of the system and think because we are tolerant that we are weak and helpless. That type of arrogance offends me as it should every other American citizen.
Our only response, if they don’t conform to rules of civil society, must be force. Increased security in the Middle East, and associated nations, should be a no-brainer. Especially on anniversaries like 9/11. Our government must be firm and unapologetic.
Thank you for your service. We can only pray this violence doesn’t escalate with more deaths and casualties. In the mean time we need leadership willing to lead rather than make excuses.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 for real Americans
time to get out of afghanistan...... Bin Laden has been killed and our presence there is NOT wanted or appreciated and our young people are being killed for no good reason
Chris 735081:
Thank you for posting. It is nice to see some sanity in these comment pages, unfortunately it appears your views are in the minority concerning the Middle East.
There are so many ignorant Americans who want to just nuke the Middle East. That kind of attitude never solved anything. It is so easy to hate "them," (whoever the flavor of the day "them" might be), when in reality we are ALL in this world together....like it or not.
The recent attacks by these muslim terrorists are not just because of a movie. However, the fact of the matter is that whether any of us like or agree with this movie the right to make it is covered by our right to free speech (a right Americans have fought and died for). We should not have to apologize for this. Besides, the guy who made this movie was born in EGYPT (not the USA). It's clear to me that he released the movie just to antagonize muslims and incite violence. That being said, it is totally unacceptable for these muslim terrorists to use this movie or anything else as an excuse to attack our American citizens. It is TERRORISM! They are proving that the negative things that have been said about them are true. Why does the USA continue to give aid to these people when they are against us (even going so far as to kill us)? We have American citizens in the USA that are homeless, starving, and can't get the medical care they need, but we are giving these very things that our own people don't have to people in other countries that have no appreciation for what we have done and continue to do for them! Enough is enough! We should remove all our people from their countries, remove their people from our country, and cut off ALL aid we send to them.
jack, that is a really stupid remark.
"They'll greet us as liberators."
The only reason we are remaining in Afghanistan is the TAPI gas pipeline. It is same reason we went in there in the first place. That reason was to remove the Taliban, so a gas pipeline can be built from Turkmenistan - Afghanistan - Pakistan and on to India. Israel is the owner of those gas rights and would be the main beneficiary of the pipeline, along with the American companies who are building the pipeline, probably Haliburton. (I must look that up, because it is just a guess).
No more wars for Israel. Let us get out now and screw Israel's gas pipeline. Our sons and daughters are being killed in Afghanistan for Israeli greed. You sure as hell don't see Israeli troops in Afghanistan.
Oh, the TAPI pipeline was the reason for allowing and assisting the hi jackers on 9/11. We needed the excuse to go into Afghanistan and rid the country of the Taliban.
The pipeline is coincidentally scheduled to be completed in 2014, the same as our troop withdrawal.
How much wasted money...how many wasted lives....until we get the Hell out of there and stop the stupid 'nation building' crap the Bush started?
I would be willing to bet that if every Congressman and the President and his cabinet had a son or daughter training Afgan troops over there, we would be out of there by sunset tomorrow.
Am I wrong on that?
Nice post RalphH!
This is Crazy. We should know by now that we can not work with Afghanistan. A smart person would pull out TODAY!!! We should not waste time to train these people. We should pull out of the whole middle east and only return if Israel is attacked. America needs to do it's own "house Keeping". We have to rebuild our infrastructure back to WWII levels. We need to get rid of foreign infiltrators and their domestic allies who willingly took their 30 pieces of silver to betray the U. S. Until we do these two things we are not ready to expand anywhere. You can not run the world until you can run your self. You can not run America if America is as filled with holes like Swiss cheese.
I idiot with a vacuum cleaner took out a 2 billion dollar sub up here. Ten years and it's no better. So I have to wonder why some thing it's a great idea to do it again somewhere else. We had no better luck than the USSR had years back.
If all the killing and rioting worldwide in the name of Allah is not enough to convince the world that Muslims are a dangerous cult that is out to kill all infidels and non-believers...then I don't know what is. Wake up people!
It's too bad that many Americans will defend these terrorists! Some didn't learn much from 9/11. I guess it'll take having their lives disrupted/destroyed by a terrorists to wake them up. For example if somebody like the Jihadist in Chicago succeeds!!!!
@skrewed,
So we should just bomb Iraq like we did when the Saudi Arabians took down the WTC????? That would have been what we learned from 9/11!
And the "jihadist" in Chicago, was, with FBI assistance and encouragement every step of the way, going to blow up a neighborhood bar where his ex-girlfriend worked???????? Great example. Some jihadist. Same thing happened in Tuscaloosa recently but the "jihadist" wounded 23 people --- I guess because he lacked FBI financing and guidance. Didn't wake anyone up in Tuscaloosa.
You go invade and occupy a Muslim country, it is highly likely a Muslim will shoot back. Try that with any other country see what happens. Muslims are shooting back because we are in their country.
Thank God... er, or should I say, Thank Obama, that US troops will only have to stay in Afghanistan until 2024, since it was President Obama who signed this agreement with the Afghan government. Think about it, we'll get to hear about US soldiers being killed by Afghans for the next TWELVE years. Or maybe after a while, the news media will just not report these deaths, like they don't report soldiers deaths in other countries we have troops in which have been there for so long.
President Obama, why are we waiting until 2014? There is nothing to be gained here. Or maybe you might take a moment in your eloquence to explain to me/us what is to be gained here? When will we have a president, republican or democrat, who will look at a mess like this (be it Afghanistan, Iraq, or even Vietnam), and just say the war must end. My view is that our leadership is plenty smart enough to know what we all know, that this war will have no good end, and that all the lost lives (at least from this point on) will truly be wasted lives, wasted because our leadership lacks the courage to END THIS WAR NOW!
If I were allowed to talk to the Joint Chiefs, I would ask them if they would consider a temporary total withdraw from the middle east as a tactical retreat. Some times in military situations a temporary retreat wins the war in the long run rather than stand the ground that you are loosing. Many military conflicts have been won by tactical retreats fallowed by a stronger assault later when you are ready. One thing we need is a new President in the White House. Another thing needed is a new law to be passed giving the military and Intelligence Community the power to run their own wars. Politicians need to learn to let the soldiers run and do the fighting of wars. When politicians run wars you always loose a war we could have won. Viet Nam proved that beyond all doubt. I am sure the war in the middle east would have been easily won had the right people had the controlling hand namely the Military and Intelligence Communities.
Let's analyze that. The people involved in 9/11 were for the most part from Saudi Arabia. No doubt those same people bitch and moan about the TSA checks. People forget in days.
Clearly attempting to take over a country doesn't work.
Sound like a conservative in Congress, noting new here.
You are mistaken richmjones - obama is a democrat, obama is a muslim, obama turned his back on israel, obama is sending our young men and women to get killed by muslims. All the killings are going on because obama is the us president. plain and simple.
Dear AConcernedReader
You are a bigoted fool. Obama is a Democrat because the bigoted fools took over the Republican Party (which is why I quit being a Republican after 40 years). Obama is NOT a Muslim but your feelings only validate your gullibility and stupidity. Obama has not turned his back on Israel but rather realizes that the fanatics who control Israel will not only destroy Israel if not controlled, but destroy the rest of the world. (I also suspect that if you didn't hate Muslims more, you would likely prefer to hate Jews, since "they killed your Christ.") Obama did not send our young men and women to get killed by Muslims, but instead was trying to finish the task that Bush #43 screwed up since he was more obsessed with his War of Revenge against Saddam for the failed attempt by Saddam to kill Bush #41. Afghanistan was the cesspool of Al Qaeda, and if Bush #43 had not been so inept, the war in Afghanistan would have been over in 2004.
And my hostility to you and all of the inept Republican buggers is because my son served a year in Afghanistan with his National Guard because of your ineptitude and gullibility. (He is back safe, and with awards to show for what he accomplished, but it was not easy being "the daddy" while he was there.)
JymAllyn,
I just wanted to say that I'm thrilled to here that your son is back safely. Please thank him for me and I hope that all is well for your entire family.
The fact that the sheeple can still blindly follow a man like Obama, despite the sad state of the U.S. economy and our diminishing role as a world super power has led me to the conclusion that "we are so screwed"!!!!
Are you Middle Class?
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2012/sep/14/romney-says-middle-income-between-200-and-250k/?partner=popular
Elect Romney and the killing will just escalate, the man is a fool and a liar, who knows nothing about foreign policy or statesmenship. The Mormon Moron, who believes in Joe Smith's cult.
You sound so stupid!
Sounds like your a real foreign and military policy moron robertlevy. Either that or your a stooge for the idiot administration we've got in office now. I think I'd rather have a mormon in office that what's there now.. Think about it if your able to think.
And what is the alternative, the current president? Are you even attempting to say that Obama is a "Statesman", our allies of the past are now as alienated as they have EVER been. Our Status as a World Leader has been degraded to the point of being ridiculous and we are as close to hostilities with the Russians as we have been since well before the collapse of the Soviet Union. So what, you are actually trying to state, that Obama's Administration has been successful in Foreign and Domestic Policy building and execution. We are and continue to be diminished as a World Leader by Obama's lack of Presidential stature, integrity and perspicacity. He is simply a social experiment that has proved to be a miserable failure. If you can't see the reduced standard of living that has progressively eroded the lifestyle of families in our country and all around you then you are either blind or a fool. Some honesty if called for
Well said!! I agree totally Obama has eroded this country to the point of no return.He has failed miserably and hopefully America will wake up and get rid of this loser.
No matter who is in the white house the killing will go on, the Americans are so stupid there is no democracy in the US, They all control you... What a bunch of idiots...
Warran - indirectly I have to partially agree with you - obama is the cause of the muslim uprising and he must be a proud muslim. he is an inside mole. As long as people like obama are elected into the Us presidency, stupidity rules. Those who voted for him are anti-American and want to see the US fail - however, I wonder if they realize what they are doing? Probably not, considering the mentality of those who would vote for obama in the first place.
As long as we have half the people in the US who don't have any 'skin in the game', expect to get free handouts (food stamps, unemployment forever, ect), you know, the 'entitlement babies' who expect government to do everything for them, we're screwed. These people will vote for a fool like Obama who, if you read his own books, look carefully into his background, his education, his friends, his political philosophy, and follow his policy agenda, you will see what this guy is really up to! The problem is, too many people don't care; they just look at him like a 'star' on some TV show. It's pathetic and it's going to destroy America. But remember Obama's own words, 'We will fundamentally transform America'. The q uestion his many supporters asked is, 'transform America to what'???? He is slowly using his power to implement his 'agenda' to transform America to just 'another' country because he believes we deserve to be punished for his' preceived idea' from his father (Dreams of my Father) that America is 'guilty' of being a colonialist power which did 'evil' to the rest of the world.
Entitlement babies? Do you know how many soldiers and their families are on food stamps? How many people collecting social security have lost their sons and daughters to this war? A lot of the lower class has more skin in the game then you'll ever know.
What a JOKE. Their holy book says to kill all infidels. What more do you need to know?
Hole book.
Posters three and four just have to make ridiculous comments about politicians instead of sticking to the topic of the article!!! When will you idiots wake up and freaking realize that now more than ever it's the time for Americans to pull together, take care of their own and stop being divided before the terrorists of this world destroy the United States as we know it????
It is ok for Romneyto critcise obama's handling of the situation? Then it is not ok to criticise Romney's stupid remarks? Who is being ridiculos?
yes it is ok for Mitt to speak up, thank god he has the balls to do it. It is time for everyone to speak out and be down right rude to obama, maybe the dumbass will wake up
skrewdworld - your remarks are part of the problem as to why US citizens do not pull together. you critize Mitt for speaking up but you don't mention all the lies of obama nor his failures. What about obama's childish rants about blaming obama's failures on bush? Obama is in charge - what happens under his watch is his responsibility. obama takes credit for the death of Osama Bin Laden. You must be so proud of your Obama - will he take the blame for all American currently being killed by muslims? I doubt it. When Americans stop supporting stupidity like Obama, illegals, muslims, and crazy behavior - perhaps unity can occur. Until then, don't count on it.
Dems need to wake up!
What is more striking, though, is more U.S. soldiers have been killed and wounded during President Barack Obama’s first term in office than former President George W. Bush’s two terms. And the anti-war mainstream media that regularly counted the number of deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan under Bush, for the most part, has been silent on the number of deaths and casualties that have resulted under Obama.
Under former President George W. Bush, 575 American soldiers died and fewer than 3,000 were wounded in Afghanistan. This means under Obama, at least 1,405 soldiers have died and nearly 15,000 additional soldiers have been wounded, which means 70% of the deaths and nearly 80% of the injuries in Afghanistan have occurred under Obama’s watch.
In 2010, Obama sent 33,000 additional U.S. troops to Afghanistan as part of the “surge,” and Americans have been received with more hostility with each passing day. In June, Obama announced he would accelerate the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan, and America would transfer security duties to the Afghans in 2014.
Because Obama is a Democrat, the media has been reluctant to shine more of a light on Afghanistan's destabilization under Obama. Perhaps the media is afraid that such reports would make Americans question whether Obama has mismanaged the Afghanistan war like he has the economy. Or maybe the media does not want to report on anything that would make Democrats seem weak on national security, as was the case when Bill Clinton was president.
For whatever reason, the mainstream media is not reporting the striking increase in deaths and casualties in Afghanistan under Obama, again helping Obama through their omissions.
Robertlevy where is your proof, this president is not only a fool but a dam liar, look at the promises he told you liberals, is Gitmo Closed, is unemployment under 8%, how about jobs, more people on food stamps, gas has almost doubled, how about his apology tour, I guess its working. this idiot as president does not have the balls to own up to the fact his policies have failed, all he does is put the blame on someone else, he had four years to correct the problem. He knew dam well what he was walking into, if he didn't, I guess he was not fit to be President. Oh by the way Clinton would be the last person I would pick to vouch for my integrity. Didn't he look the American people in the eye and say"I did not have sexual relations with that woman" What has this so called Black president done for the black community nothing.
@didom "I guess he was not fit to be President."
And I think that sentence says it all. I will say it, as it seems that many are apprehensive about stating the truth of the matter. This country got caught up in all of the wrong things during the last presidential campaigns and ultimately the elections. We as a nation wanted to believe that if we turned away from the traditional way "politics and elections" are run; and so we turned our backs on the "usual players" and the threw our support to the, what we incorrectly perceived as an outsider, that we could expect a new, progressive, honest Presidency. And that was because we all saw Obama as this New Chance at correcting Old Problems because, for one, he is a black man, and at times, a fairly well spoken Black Man. (turned out that was only when he read from the TelePrompter), but he was nothing more than the same old crap in a new package, so to speak, because if he were not, he would have never been allowed to run for the Presidency. He was sanctioned by the "power brokers" that run the "machine" that is politics in the United States, and that is the real problem. But we got caught up in the hype and the desire for a "real change", and the fact was the we ended up with a President that simply is not capable of the thoughtful intellectualism that is required in the Office of The President. Rather we got a president who promotes himself with events such as "A Party with Beyonce and Jay Z for Barack Obama" I don't know about anyone but myself but I for one DO NOT SEE THIS AS BEING PRESIDENTIAL. Just as I didn't see Obama's politicization of the death of Trayvon Martin during the social uproar to arrest a man who didn't actually break the law and by adding his statement "This could be the Son I never had", by making it a personal attack on the President in the subconscious of the public. And in doing so he dropped the Presidency down to the level of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. My point, is that we have been conned people. We voted for change and progressive thinking and we got nothing. We got a novice that rode the hopes of the people for a better society if we just got past the "race issue" and we did just that, only to find out that the person we were putting our Hope in was a FRAUD and there is LITTLE IF ANY DOUBT IN THAT. OBAMA WAS NOT THEN AND IS NOT NOW FIT TO BE PRESIDENT. Just ask didom! I would state that I actually agree with every aspect of didom's statement regarding Obama being a LIAR, in that he has not delivered nor attempted to deliver on the bulk of his promises, that makes him a liar and we deserve better.
Here it is 5:48 am in Va. and I wake up the see this headline. I will have a sick feeling all day today until I hear from my daughter or her husband who are both serving in Afghanistan. I am very proud of them, both of them joined 6 years ago, this is my daughters 1st tour and her husbands 3rd. The events of this week has made me realize that it is time to get the hell out of there, the middle east is a backwards hell hole that can never be fixed. The worthless piece of crap that is sitting up in that white house should have never been placed there. It is time for him to get a backbone and keep his promise of getting our people home. Daniel, what you said is all truth and why so many people drink his kool-aid is beyond me, I am a democrat who did not vote for that fool and for all the reasons you stated in your comment
That is ok, because I am a Republican who WILL vote for our President. I wouldn't trust those other two idiots with zipping their own pants.
Hopefully my democrat vote for the republican will void your republican vote for the democrat
Do you believe in what the president does or wnts? If you are republican then your desires are more likely in line with Gary Jhnson or another third party candidate. It is unlikely anything will ever change untill we start voting for the candidate that most close ly reflects our values rather than vote against the major party candidate that we don't want... That is not the way the dydtem is designed but undoubtedly the way it has been manipulated by the major parties. No more do you hear what the candidate will do. We hear mostly why we do not vote for the other candidate. Even the primary.
Patrick, you and the rest of the people who vote for this fool are truly deluded. If you truly care about America, please read his own two books; go see 2016, and do some research to see who this guy 'really is and what he wants to do to America'. You and so many people don't know crap about your 'beloved Obama' because you never took the time to critically look at his background, his education, who his friends are, who his mentors have been, what his philosophy is, and what drives the man. If you do, you will be 'shocked'!
Plantlady99, I hope you hear from them soon, and I thank them and all others for their service to this country. Sometimes. when all this rhetoric heats up, we tend to not think in terms of the very real danger each individual serving anywhere is in. We get so caught up in R's vs D's, and trying to prove our point, and you are there with simply one thought in mind, the safety of your loved ones.
Plantlady99...those who, unfortunately, lost their lives in Afg. were all British. (I am presuming, since this is a US publication, that your family members are Americans?)Their camp was stormed (The British Camp) by insurgents. Those killed were attempting to repel the attack from inside the camp (BASTION) They were just idietified by the British Foreign Service this morning. To my knowledge, there were four male British soldiers who lost their lives. R.I.P (See DAILYMAILUK.COM or SundayTelegraphUK.COM) I will pray for the safe return of your precious family and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for their service.
I will not say that I am happy that they weren't american because any soldier that dies is one too many. I pray for the families of these fallen men because when a soldier dies it still hurts us all. I did hear from my daughter and was able to skype with her so she can see the son she left behind with me. This is the hardest thing I have ever had to deal with and I wish this on no one. When you see a soldier, just thank them please
plantlady99......I also (as I indicated clearly in my post) am deeply saddened by any loss of life in the Armed Forces of any nation. I have 2 sons serving in the United States Marines, alongside your family. You don't have to explain the difficulty to me. I am very happy for you that you heard from your daughter. May God bless our troops and bring them safely home. They're the real heroes, doing what they are called to do, irregardless of the circumstances, the "sensibilty" or the consequences. Too many people sit complacently behind their computers and take it for granted.
resqmedic, Marines, my father is a Marine ( Ret. Gunny) , The Few, The Proud. You know what it feels like. My kids are Army .Thank your son's for their service from an Army mom
Ditto that Plantlady99, Semper Fi! The few, the proud! and thank you as well. God bless.
Never work alongside of the enemy. Thought we would've learned that in Vietnam.
Nothing evidently. Now we got both candidates saying they'll not only want us to waste more American lives thru 2014, but, leave 20-25,000 troops in-country after. How did that work out for us on April 30, 1975 after we left 10,000 troops in Vietnam in 1973 ????? Think about it. Our country is being ran by total idiots who are not veterans and who are clueless.
I will say this daily to our gutless leaders in the whitehouse - IT IS TIME TO GET OUT! Let these people kill each other. Fecal debris generally finds its own level.
Yep. GTFO!
After all your interference, f you. You take responsibility. Bunch of idiots...
Warren, who or what the hell are you talking about? Most of your post are one liners
@Airborn7: How did that strategy work on 9/11? I did not support the war in Iraq, but I certainly support the war in Afghanistan. That area of the world is a breeding ground for terrorist activity and if we leave Afghanistan alone, the Taliban will just take it over again and we'll have to struggle with the whole bloody mess again and who knows where that will stop?
No argument; much of Pakistan and Afghanistan are hell holes of violent backwards ideologies and religious radical nutjobs... which is exactly why we can't just leave them to their own devices. They won't just kill each other. One nutball side will just take over and then its straight back to screwing up our country too.
Hand over the reigns in Afghanistan as scheduled but if they fall down on the job, we shouldn't hesitate to pitch in until the Afghan government can stand on its own two feet without succumbing to violent religious radicals.
Chris, I too did not support the war in Iraq but felt the war in Afghanistan was needed but it gets so hard to support it when the people we are the to help turn on us. I want my kids home, I never really knew what sleepless nights were like until now. It isn't just my kids that I worry about I know 6 kids there now that are like my own kids. I just feel it may be time to leave
We are there ONLY because BOZOhussen -the chosen one, and Over-the-HILL'ry want us there!! He promised 4 years ago to have us out, but sent many more troops...why is any American blood being shed for those in-bred tribal murderers..NO more tax $$$ for those who are not With US..Like LBJ did, this is oabamas Vietnam!!
From the book of love..the devil mohamed said..Qur’an (3:118) – “O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand.” This verse not only warns Muslims not to take non-Muslims as friends, but it establishes the deep-seated paranoia that the rest of the world is out to get them.
Qur’an (9:23) – “O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers” Even family members are not to be taken as friends if they do not accept Islam. (This is the mildest interpretation of this verse from the 9th Sura, which also advocates “slaying the unbeliever wherever ye find them”).
Wake up America..any who believe such hateful ideologys, can never be your friend!!
Yes, it's time. Whatever we planned to do when we went in is either done (Osama's dead) or not going to happen.
We are wasting our time in these places, they are only killing NATO troops because we are there, once we leave they will start turning on themselves and that sounds o/k to me. If we had never got involved in the first place they would have been too busy killing themselves to bother with us.
There is a distinct border between civilization and the jungle and we are fools to think we can change it.
Mr Obama.........please set forth an very close exit date for all foreigners, military and businesses to exit these Middle Eastern countries.
For decades, they prove and show us that have no regard for women, children or life itself.
I guess the video created anger amongst the Muslims for the truth it portrays.
We also need to track down and identify all Muslims in this country and keep a close watch on them.
Don't worry about the Mexican illegals...........it's the Muslims that need to be sent back !!
There are Muslims serving in the forces so why don't we round them up and send them to serve in Muslim countries, bet they won't murder them.
Great idea. Round up US citizens and force them into a war zone. As you must be 12, did that work during WWII? Germen/Americans never got killed in the ETO. Nor did Italian/Americans.
It's really dificult to phantom that the people in Afghanistan seek "merikin democratic principles so much that they're even killing for it. They must want it bad. You dumb asses get the hell out of there and let them democratic all they want....they've just been doing it for thousands of years. You dummies aren't going to teach them anything. However, on the flip side of the coin.....if I had someone giving me money for free....I'd play along too, to a point.
I'd have to stop at some point, as I wouldn't be able to count, laugh, and walk to the bank all at the same time. Sort of like walking and chewing gum at the same time.
Ungrateful Savages! And the worst country ever! Scum of the EARTH and lower than Whale @!$%# at the bottom of the Sea!
What a filtered version. The insurgents/terrorists altogether 15- were in 3 separate teams when they got entry into the bastion DRESSED in US Army UNIFORMS. They destroyed 6 US fighter jets and damaged 2 others- airplane hangars dedstroyed,coalition refueling stations (3)destroyed. They ki9lled 4 ISAF soldiers.14 terrorists killed- 1 arrested. Saturday Bastion no US forces killed-the 2 were Brits. How on earth did they get US Army uniforms? Who are their laundry people-they are not Afghanis-since they have been recruited by US elsewhere. This is a total breach of basic safety and security and if the terrorists can get US Army uniforms in bulk- all NATO/ISAF forces are in real peril. Where's the C-in-C?
American failed foreign policy! Wake up and smell the cheese you idiot....
Locals wash their uniforms, locals work on the base. My daughter told me this.
How in the world did 15 people divided into 3 teams do that much damage? Destroyed 6 Harrier jets; killed 4 troops, destroyed a couple of aircraft hangers, etc...& all dressed in American military uniforms. Hell, if they were dressed in Santa Claus suits, I can't understand how that much damage could have been done.
Once the US realizes it's failed foreign policy, it might wake up. Hilary Clinton has done the worst job ever. She should be trialed and hanged. This will hopefully rectify the anti-Americanism.
There is more to it than that. Hillary should pull her people out of these embassies,but she won't. Reason? Obama saves face and she's running for 2016. Sacrifices have to be made, to further the Progressives agenda.
Ron Paul
Too late for Ron Paul, so who is your next choice?
Pull out all of our Troops and carpet bomb all of Afghan ,Oh I forgot we are there to protect the president of Afghan and his bumper poppy crop to continue the drug trade around the world,It's all about money and power...
you are so very right R Givens
we've carpet bombed afghanistan, the soviets tried it, didn't work.
Bomb what? The desert. After 10 years of bombing nothings changed except the debt piled up. After how many wars of "carpet bombing" will it be realized it doesn't work. War isn't clean and simple. Everyone thinks it's 1993 all over again. A week and we all go home.
we desperately need some leadership and to make afghanistan into a big hunk of glass
I don't think we have to "glass them" 4 million gallons of pigs blood will do it. If they get that stuff on them they will kill themselves and each other because they have all been "stained". Coat the land in pigs blood and bacon
Lets have a billion towel head march in Iran and drop a big one followed by pig shi-t
Is it hateful to want to annihilate hateful and violent people?
What did BO say a few years ago on his tour of the Muslim world in a speech,? I believe he said, "I know because I am one of them."
Pull them out BO BO, you are killing our troops to satisfy a corrupt Afghan government. Let them kill off each other after we split and come home. It's always been that way there in scumsville.
I don't mean to be negative but WTF?
Like most Americans, I'm tired of all of these AntiAmerican attacks. It doesn't matter what we do, or who we help, to them we're always wrong. I, for one, think like most REAL Americans that we should cut every bit of aid to these people and let'em starve. We have our own poor and hungry to take care of and they should come first. This government we have now is the most embarassing bunch of do nothing politicians we've ever had, and if we, as Americans don't change it we will die on the vine quicker than we are now. I'm sure I'll be heavily chastised for my post, bit I don't care, this is my opinion and as a true American I am entitled to it.
Great post and very true
I have yet to hear a good argument of why we can't cut all aid to the middle east. Why can't we?!? Anyone wanna guess?
Let them see what it's like without us so they can direct their hate to the right people....their own government!
I also feel we need to pull all our troops and diplomats out of the middle east and stop all foreign aid to these countries. Radical religion of any faith anywhere in the world is the underlying reason as to why people cannot seem to get along. As far as i am concerned we would all be better off with no religion. We could get along if EVERYONE practiced one simple rule. "treat others as you would have them treat you".
For Ron T. @ #24:
You the man!
What's even more sad is both candidates advocating we keep 20-25,000 troops in Afghanistan after 2014. We kept 10,000 troops in Vietnam after 1973. How'd that work out for us on April 30, 1975 ???? Think about that. There hasta be a hidden agenda, because this has gotten well beyond insane for even having a single soldier in the whole middle-east or south asia. We should let it implode. Let'em kill each other. It's the only thing they are good at.
Perry-2713557
The ONLY solution to ending our war in Afghanistan is to turn the security of the country over to its next door neighbor China.
China has the available military force, China has the engineering skill to develop the rare-earth minerals in NE Afghanistan, and China has the cultural discipline to deal with insurgencies.
We outsource everything else to China. It is now time to outsource this war.
Besides, China won the war in Vietnam. Its time they won a war for us.
Actually, that's not a bad idea. China will be exploiting their minerals anyway. And their opium. They should take over Pakistan as well.