Nailed it- with one minor detail:

We pull COMPLETELY out.

“We’re to the point now where we can’t trust these people,” a senior military official said.

Really, Einstein? Twelve years, three trillion dollars and two thousand fooking lives later you come to THIS conclusion? WOW! Stop the PRESS!

Pfffffffft.

How about we pull out of Afghanistan and stop aid to them and Pakistan since we won't need to go through their country anymore. It's not our job to train their forces. Especially since it seems they don't want to learn from us.

And who is going to prevent the extremists from taking control of Pakistan's nuclear weapons?

But George Bush said mission accomplished? Yes, trillions of dollars started and spent on his watch and nobody seems to be able to turn off the faucet.

The shock and awe is how much money Bush wasted with years of bleeding the country dry on a war that has not been won for thousands of years. If we had one trillion dollars pumped into the economy right now what would that do?

Pull everything out now and let them fight for their own freedom.

Jaden, I'm not so sure that extremist are not in charge of the Pakistan nukes right now. After all, we have to go by what they tell us and we all know how reliable that is. ("Bin Laden? Never heard of him.")

The really scary part is not who's in charge, but who is going to use them. I can't really see Pakistan using them to attack any other nation because with nukes, you reap what you sow. My worry is a nuke or two get sold off to the likes of Hezbollah or Iran. Now that's a real worry.

The sooner we stop playing games over there the happier we all will be, use some tactical nukes to end this.

But George Bush said mission accomplished?

So everything that happens now in Afghanistan is still George Bush's fault, right? Ridiculous.

By the way, the "Mission Accomplished" thing referred to toppling Saddam Hussein's regime and capturing Baghdad. It had nothing to do with Afghanistan.

The reason our military has been hanging out in Afghanistan is to provide security for JP Morgan as they set up gold mines and the Chinese mine for valuable metals. You thought we were there to do good things?

http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2011/05/11/jp-morgan-hunt-afghan-gold/

But, but, has Halliburton got enough money out of the pipeline yet to make this a huge windfall event? Please don't let Halliburton risk any more capital!

Adam it is George's fault. He sent the troops, equipment, money over there and it is like Viet Nam. No win, time to go with the whole US country holding the bag. Yes I know he said that about Iraq but it is the same dumbed down mentality in Afganistan.

The truth hurts some but you just have to be honest about the first big step and who made it all happen.........

I wonder who is going to fill the "void". Let me see now....wait a minute...let me see now......

Oh yeah......(lightbulb goes off)......TALIBAN.

Just GTFO!

Seven2seven:

Bush was right that the mission was accomplished...........No one asked WHAT mission..............that was Halliburton/Cheney getting richer than ever now that you ask.

When you can't trust the people your supposedly fighting for its time to leave....these guys probably see the writing on the wall that when we leave the taliban is going to take over and retribute anyone who helped the U.S. they want to appear that they're anti american....But for our top brass to say that we now at the point where we can't trust these peope...where the hell have those brass idiots been?....Still blaming G.W.? geez guys get over it....

A good start. Now bring them all home.

We spent 146 million on just the new fords they (iraq & Afghan police forces) patrol in.

I thought we were in debt???

How many Americans could use 146 million dollars worth of pickup's to go to work in???

But Romney wants even more action???

And we are going to cut where to pay for this folly???

End foreign aid now. Remove our troops now.

Have you read the news about how much aid we're sending to Egypt and the ME? Romney does NOT want more action. President Obama has already created plenty of action in the ME. Read the news.

Scar, I agree with you 100%!!

Scar-481986.....

$ 146,000,000 is peanuts compared to what the Government gives away or is identified as Fraud, Waste, and Abuse in our government agencies.

A very good example: The $ 1,000,000,000 FAILED Boeing Virtual Fence complements of the DHS.

If all the Fraud, Waste, and Abuse was terminated in our government agencies, there would probably be no need for sequestration.

BTW: No President wants "more action". Just ask Mr. Obama. He wants to use his appeasement approach......see how well that has turned out.

“We’re to the point now where we can’t trust these people,” a senior military official said.

No $hit you idiot. Utterly amazing, now they figured it out. They can't trust these dogs! Wow, what a freaking news flash for the rest of the world. How about this, pull them out, let the Taliban completely take over all the cities. Then start dropping cruise missiles on top of them, day and night. And make sure you tell them that each cruise missile has been smeared in pigs blood to inflame them further. Then tell them you want to negotiate a peace treaty at a neutral site. Make sure all the head Taliban leaders are there. Then send in more cruise missiles on top of them.

Believe'nAmerica: Did I exempt Egypt, or any other country, in my post???Maybe you should learn how to read. If I didn't read the news, would I know about the 146 million dollar vehicle bill?? Why didn't you know about it , all knowing one????

Ido: yea , it's peanuts compared to 38 billion given to Pakistan to play nice , this decade. The 40+ million to clean up Vietnam ( a war how many decades ago??). The 300+ billion to rebuild Iraq. And the how many billion to rebuild Afghanistan?

Seems like the ONLY place you Neo Right won't build is in the good ole USA.

Bomb the Taliban to the stone age , and get our troops out NOW!!!

Now, now, just because 51 Americans had to die before the a$$holes in 'charge' would finally see the light is no cause to leave the area. Obama has it all figured out and will let the country in on it after he's visited with Letterman and Beyonce and Pimp the Limp or Limp Pimp or whoever is more important than national security and governing the country.

Obama has stated that the Taliban are our friends and is looking to negotiate with them, ain't that grand? Look how well his 'friending' of radical Islam is going. What's a murdered ambassador to Obama? Nothing much, far more important to sell Obama hoodies than to fret over murdered Americans.

Um, Scar, you need to look at Obama for all your complaints, he's the guy in charge, the one with the REALLY big checkbook these days. Sorry, can't blame anyone else even though you really don't want to blame Dear Leader.

Correction mygirl: I dislike both candidates.

That you might like Romney for ......Hmm .....which policy???

He's changed them all , depending on audience, for two decades.

But one I do remember. Opposing those against the Vietnam war, then going to France instead of fighting in it. What a measure in character.

Kindly point out a subjects he has not revised radically in the last two decades for political reasons

I await that list. I suspect it does not exist. Romney has the basic beliefs and backbone of a puddle of jello.

Seven2seven, it is people like you that allow B. Hussein to look the American public in the eye and lie and get away with it. No one is holding him accountable. I am sure in your mind this last terrorist attack that killed one of our diplomats and 3 others was somehow Bush’s fault. Of course B. Hussein claims it is all because of a 12-minute movie some kook made. It is the President’s failed foreign policies but he uses excuses to shift the focus, one of the only things he is good at, that, and apologizing. If B. Hussein had his way he would lock down free speech, make it a law that no one can make negative remarks toward Islam, cower to the Muslims. What about all the negative things that have been said about the Christian religion over the course of the past few years? Where were the Secretary of State and B. Hussein? Bill Maher made some of the vilest comments I have ever heard in regards to Christianity and what did B. Hussein do? Let me tell you, he took a million dollars from him for his campaign. So continue to make your ignorant statements and claims. I would like to say it is the Democrats or should I say liberal mentality but in all honesty that would be unfair. I know some pretty decent Liberals and they don’t buy into B. Hussein’s lies and blame Bush for everything that has gone wrong the last 4 years, they know better, they just disagree with the conservative way of thinking. They can engage in intelligent conversation and debate their ides without the name-calling and silliness that I have seen from some of these comments. So place the blame where it belong, if it belongs with Bush fine, if it belongs to Hussein fine but not all of the worlds problems were caused by Bush. B. Hussein has been in office for 3.5 years and the world is a much more dangerous place because of it, the United States has lost all respect and has thrown many of it allies under the bus in the process. B. Hussein has been a disaster of epic proportions and I can't understand why people can't see that. Do we have so many people so dependent on the government that they are scared to death to vote B. Hussein out of office because they may lose the free ride? The current state of our country is pathetic and will not change until we get some one else, any one else, to replace the current President and his administration!

Let's just pull out and Nuke the entire site from orbit - it's the only way to be sure!

Reagan once got the whole world to listen to him by seeming crazier than the Russians. Let's let them think we are going to slaughter millions of them to prove our point. If it comes down to it and they fail to listen to us and continue to kill Americans, we can always slaughter millions of them!

One giant step for all mankind. Let the savages fight among themselves until the realize the rest of the world is in the 21st century and they need to catch up...Way up!

Muslims - we must kill the Jews. When they are all dead, we must kill the Christians. When they are all dead, we must kill the Hindus. When they are all dead, we must kill the Buddhists. When they are all dead, we must kill the Athiests. When they are all dead, we must kill the Muslims!!!

Well I’ve waited 30 minutes for MYGirl to answer with no result.

So she couldn’t find a stance that Romney has not changed for political reasons.

What a astounding shock. (sarcasm)

Then , we have Obama , who promises to the middle class everything. Every 3 months before an election.

Yea, that China thing, he promised 3 3/4 years ago. Is now the news.

Public option in health care?? Yea , he kinda forgot the middle class in that too.

Three Nafta clones??

It would take more than a beer summit to like EITHER of these candidates.

Got love the party faithful. They remind me of college frat boys & girls. Guess they never grew out of it.

MarkMo: when you make pet names of the President. It does not reflect well on your thought process. The biggest threat to our freedom is the Patriot Act. And BOTH parties signed on. Let me guess, you want to start a American Christian Taliban??Along with the KhanKubla?? I'm sure someone will make a great video about you.

We really need a none of above voting option to control BOTH the far rights & lefts .

It is time to just pull all our troops out. It does not matter whether we do it now or a year from now or even ten years from now. The minute we leave the country will descend into anarchy. The Karzai government now has limited control within the capital of Kabul and no control what-so-ever outside the capital. The control lies in the hands of local warlords and tribal leaders. Many of these are aligned wit the Taliban or other extremist factions. A soon as the US pulls out the central government will collapse. Eventually, the Taliban will once again gain control, either through bribing local leaders to go along with them or by killing off those who will not cooperate. It does not matter how long we stay, the results will be the same after or departure. The military and local police are already so infiltrated by the Taliban and other extremists groups that the local government has no real control over them right now. This is why there have been so any of these blue on green attacks. It is tie to just cut our losses and stop wasting any more American lives. We should just pull out and let them kill each other. On the way out we should make it clear that if there are any attacks against the US or US interests originating in the country that we will simply turn the entire country into a parking lot and be done with it. There will be no proportional response, there will be total annihilation should they do anything to attack the US or US interests.

President Obama promised the American people he'd bring all US troops home. But he also signed and agreement with the Afghan government that he'd keep several thousand troops in Afghanistan until the year 2024 (12 more years). Does this mean he broke a promise to Americans and that he is now going to also break a promise to Afghanistan? Hope and Change... Hope and Change... That doesn't occur without real action and truth! When a man lies, he murders some part of the world!

Sadly the Afghans have not quite figured out that their real enemy is Pakistan's ISI who fund the Taliban insurgency. But NATO will be long gone before that dawns on them. Of course, if we really wanted to stomp out the Taliban we'd negotiate the use of several divisions of North Korean troops - that impoverished democratic republic needs the foreign exchange and their troops would 'enjoy' the live firing excercises. Nor would they give a kangaroo's fart about collateral damage.

jaden-461877

In my opinion what we have to do about any country like Pakistan and their buddies in Afghanistan, having nukes with bad intentions. We don't just threaten their rotten leadership that have control over the weapons, we get the news out to their citizens that if they cannot get their bad guys under control and a nuke goes off ANYWHERE, we will carpet bomb them with nukes. Totally erase them and their culture. Let them fight their own wars with their leaders. They all know they cannot wipe us out before they disapear from the planet.

It's the fire with fire approach. It's pretty clear that diplomacy isn't working.

I say this with the understanding that is the only way we will ever get those ass holes to wind it down.

I would use that approach as all of our servicemen, equipment and money is leaving their country.

Scar: Mygirl isn't at your beck and call, I respond when it suits me, not you. As to a response, let me put it to you this way, ABO. Romney at least has some business experience which is far better than the current tax and spend darling in office right now. You obviously haven't been paying attention to the current news cycle (of course if you only watch MSM you won't get much that is unflattering to Obama) however, the nations credit rating downgraded again, Bernanke issues an open ended QE, Obama says nary a peep, at least Romney told him not to. Our dollar is now worth less than the Euro, what does that say to you?

The Middle East is in an uproar and if anyone believes that a stupid utube video is the real cause, that person needs a head examining. Radical Islamists just killed an Ambassador and the last time that happened was under Carter. To make matters worse, the MSM ignores the timeline and is only now coming out with the news that the administration had 48 hours advance warning and did NOTHING! Romney said what needed to be said, no apologies are necessary for allowing free speech in this country. Hilobama are apologising and nattering away, using draped coffins for a photo op while Obama's campaign tweets sales on Hoodies.

The list is too long to go into all that Obama has done or, more importantly, not done (national security briefings of far less importance than Letterman and Beyonce) for one post, suffice it to say that a change is desperately needed from a know failure, a failure who's re-election will truly destroy what little economy is left. Note that there are now almost nine million collecting disability. That number means that sixteen people are working to support one person on disability. The debt keeps growing astronomically, Obama's adminstration FINALLY released the numbers for the cuts and no amount of borrowing or printing or taxing is going to cover the debt.

I would suggest that you get over the anti-Romney mantra and get a clue about boy wonder in the White House. I don't care what Romney may or may not do at this point. The known quantity here is Obama and he is already a disaster and we cannot afford four more years of his 'on the job' training.

I supported the Afghanistan operation. Right up until we killed Osama Bin Laden.

The lives lost since then, I am told, is because of our commitment to the Afghanistan government, and I hear we have a history of abandoning governments that we committed to.

And exactly which countries complain about that?

Pakistan who blames us for killing Bin Laden. And Afghanistan, who we help, yet get our troops killed by their failure to control their own forces (and that is the optimistic version).

We should have had everyone out a month after killing Bin Laden. Except for whoever we need to launch drone strikes at the people who never give up. The fact that our guys are getting killed training and helping their police and military is stupid.

To: my girl

RE: " Note that there are now almost nine million collecting disability. That number means that sixteen people are working to support one person on disability."

You seem so full of facts, however you've forgotten the most important fact, which like most news slanters, is that the aging baby boomers, the largest age group {born from 1946 - 1964} in the population are now in their late 50s and older. While many people are no longer able to retire at 65 and continue to work til their 70s because of the of economy, those that are disabled and unable to work are often unable due to their age. You insinuate other reasons, otherwise you would have mentioned the disabled were older or returning veterans.

"mygirl" missed some other telling facts as well. It matters dearly what Romney "does and doesn't do at this point," because he's asking us for the keys to the castle.

And during three days of convention and partying in Tampa, there wasn't a single word about the war in Afghanistan -- much less the slightest acknowledgment of our men and women in uniform. Not one. Tampa's crickets were louder than the GOP's respect for military service. Whatsa' matter, the taxpayer money pipeline to your defense contractors has slowed down?

And then a United States official was assassinated abroad while on duty. Romney pointed fingers while the rest of the nation mourned. Even his advisers ran for cover; and there's an apt editorial cartoon portraying Mitt pasting his campaign sticker on Ambassador Stevens' headstone. Touching, all that empathy and patriotism of his.

But hey, in the interim all of us were treated to the spectacle of how "little he wears" when Ann and Mitt go to bed. The "Emperor" has no clothes.

Go figure.

When will the Obama administration realize that telling their allies in Afghanistan that they're leaving at a certain date, doesn't inspire confidence.

So what are the Afghans who have to live in that country going to do when they know that the Americans are on the way out? They start making deals with the Taliban in order to survive on the day after.

.

OBAMA'S FOREIGN POLICY HAS FAILED!

OBAMA'S ECONOMIC POLICIES HAVE FAILED!

TIME TO KICK HIM OUT!

“We’re to the point now where we can’t trust these people,” a senior military official said.

About time to face the facts.

brenda1964

It's not our job to train their forces. Especially since it seems they don't want to learn from us.

Not only is it not our job, but on top of it they (the afghans) use it against us. I understand they hope to enable them to fight the Taliban (and other insurgent groups), but it just doesn't seem like a good idea to train potential enemies.

Other then that they also need to cancel the $4 or $5 billion they are giving the afghan military every year (and if what I have read is true, they are supposed to send them this amount for many more years).

COYOTEHUNTER (#1.15)

I will NEVER FORGET nor will I EVER FORGIVE George W's, Cheney's, the Republican's, and the New Conservatives' (neocons') responsibility for the fiascoes of Afghanistan and Iraq! I haven't the time to remind you, all, of the lies, distortions, half-truths, and failures of THOSE PEOPLE! All of them should be hanged in public, literally, and all executives/managers of Halliburton and the rest of the money-grubbing leaches should be imprisoned for life.

The Republican Party is an acrimonious cancer and I will NEVER vote Republican again! NEVER!

From the article:

The escalating violence — including a NATO airstrike that killed eight Afghan women and girls gathering firewood — is straining the military partnership between Kabul and NATO as the U.S. begins to withdraw thousands of troops sent three years ago to route the Taliban from southern strongholds.

My sincerest condolences for the family of those women and girls. It should never have happened--NATO forces should be making sure of their target before we kill inocents. Just another reason for them to believe we are infidels, when the majority of our efforst are trying to change the minds of those who believe we are barbarians. They have killed our innocents--we have killed theirs.

With the Taliban gone and a provisional government in place, I support getting out of Afghanistan now. We have helped them make progress--womens rights are becoming more common, girls can now learn to read (though there is a dearth of teachers) and this summer an Afghani woman marched in the Olympics parade holding her country's flag and competeing for her country and countrywomen. We have started them on the road, only time will tell if those actions bear fruit, but I do think it's time to let the baby's hands go and let them take their first shaky steps on their own.

Oh, and NBC: it's 'rout' the Taliban, not 'route'.

So we pull out.While we're at it,let's take no more muslims from ANYWHERE

I want to do away with ALL the CHRISTIANS too while we're at it. Why discriminate? Let's rid of all brain-dead religabots no matter their faith.

“We’re to the point now where we can’t trust these people,” a senior military official said

This made me spit out my OJ. What gave him this idea?

I want to do away with ALL the CHRISTIANS too while we're at it. Why discriminate? Let's rid of all brain-dead religabots no matter their faith

Libs really hate Christians dont they hehe. Guess what, O'bama claims to be religious too.

Obama said he had begun to sense God beckoning him to submit to his will and dedicate himself to discovering truth. So one day he walked down the aisle at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago and affirmed his Christian faith. Remaining a member of the church for 20 years, Trinity, Obama said, is where he found Jesus Christ, where he and Michelle were married, and where his children were baptized.

Why looky here, he is a Christian to boot!

@kornfed,

Careful Sir................Facts can be dangerous :)

Darn Pesky Things Anyway;)

Repost.

Newsvine why is it everytime I respond to kornfed this happens?

You know can't post right now Bubblegum nonsense and it does anyway

One of NBC's "military analysts" commented this morning that one of the most difficult operations for the military to "accomplish" is a "withdrawal under pressure." In civilian terms this is called a "retreat."

The US is racking up a startling record of post-WWII defeats --- Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and now Afghanistan. Even small defeats such as Myanmar and Lebanon and Mogadishu. And some of our "victories" are so tainted that they seem almost dubious. In Panama, "special operations" forces performed so dismally that they were completely re-organized. In Grenada, opposed by only lightly armed police and unarmed construction workers, the military's performance was so bad that many military careers ended as a result.

The basic problem is that no country, including the US, and in some cases especially the US, cannot impose their will on other people without absolutely and ruthlessly destroying them such was done with Germany and Japan.

The people beating drums for a war with Iran do not seem to realize that we have lost or screwed up virtually every major military operation since WWII. This would not bode well for a war with Iran where we would once again lose.

(BTW I am an old intelligence analyst and a Vietnam vet (67-68) so I am not anti-military.

Newsvine why is it everytime I respond to kornfed this happens?

It is my aura...my gravitas!

"It is my aura...my gravitas!"

LOL :)

I can always count on you for a smile. Hope your day goes well.

Just shut up about Democrats and Republicans. Not because people don't have the right to speak. But because it makes a person sound totally stupid.

Republicans got us in Afghanistan.

Democrats kept us there

Republicans will keep us there.

So stop LYING or at least use the brain. We were in Afghanistan, rightly, right up until the mission everyone knows is the reason, killing Osama Bin Laden, was accomplished. Your personally favorite politician will not do better, because both dumb only voting Republicans and dumb only voting Democrats don't have the balls to tell their candidates to leave or they won't vote for them.

Time to GTFO!!!! No need to color it, no need to have more American lives lost because our government hasn't gotten that we are not wanted there nor should we still be there. Bin Laden is dead, let the Muslims kill each other into oblivion.

Seven2Seven:

Stop with blaming Bush owning this War!--it was fading after he left Office, but the new Government here seems to think the US should stay there, even though more soldiers have been killed under this President's watch.

The War since Jan. 20th, 2009 has been amped up--with promises to get the troops out by this past summer. Well?

Obama, and only Obama OWNS this War/4 years into Office---it is his responsibility to move out of there with the help of his Military Personnel/Joint Chiefs of Staff---He is the Commander in Chief.

Bush---hah! Whining will get nothing done. Move to the present, please.

Pull out, end aid, attack the US and the cycle starts all over...

is it possible?????

Seven2Seven:

Ok, let's say for the sake of arguement that the current situation is STILL Bush's fault even though Obama had 4 years to do something/anything.

My question is: What do you think the proper response is to 4 planes taking down 2 towers, the pentagon, and all those innocent people? He may have been clueless about the budget, fair trade, and job creation, but the war did not happen because he had nothing better to do.

Loki - First of all, none of those planes had one person on them that was from Iraq. Second, it was 2 planes that took down 3 the WTC buildings, which had been insured by Larry Silverstein in July for over 4 billion dollars. The question is, how did 2 planes take out 3 buildings, when one of the buildings wasn't even touched by a plane and only had some small fires? That building called Bldg 7, fell straight down into it's own footprint in a controlled demolition.

It was rigged to fall that way Loki. 9/11 was an inside job, with Zionist involvement. The reason was to provide an excuse to go to Afghanistan to rid the country of the Taliban. The Taliban were preventing the building of the TAPI gas pipeline, which would transport Israeli owned gas to India.

MOSCOW — A
plan to build a regional natural gas pipeline
across war-ravaged southern Afghanistan, long thought to be
impractical given the dismal security there, moved a step closer to becoming
a reality on Saturday.

The leaders
of Turkmenistan, Pakistan and
Afghanistan and India’s energy minister signed a preliminary agreement in
Turkmenistan’s capital, Ashgabat, to proceed with plans for the American-backed
pipeline, the Russian news agency Itar-Tass and other regional media reported.

United
States officials hope that the line, called TAPI, will not only bolster
Afghanistan’s economy by generating transit fees but will strengthen ties
between the archrivals India and Pakistan.

The
pipeline, which would be about 1,080 miles long, would carry gas from
Turkmenistan through Afghanistan and Pakistan and into India.

The agreement signed on Saturday, however, is just an early step in the pipeline
project. The government backers of the plan have yet to secure financing for
construction or to agree on commercial terms for the sales, according to news
reports from Russia and Central Asia. The project’s cost estimates range from
$3 billion to $10 billion.

The agreement also does not address how the pipeline would be protected in
Afghanistan’s Helmand and Kandahar Provinces, which have been Taliban
strongholds. The Afghan government has said the pipeline would be buried and
local communities would be paid to protect it.

they are just figureing out these knuckleheads cant be trusted OMG I could have told them this years ago .the time for apologies are OVER the hell with them they will never change . PULL our troops out NOW and stop the cash flow . the people who really need the money dont get it anyways .

the american goverment and every american needs to grow back our backbone back and kick these diseased minded people out . god forbide anyone speaks badly of muslims that live to kill, make little girls marry and rape and kill women , cut womens genitals off, who kill without a second thought .....why arent they apologizing to us ???? how many have they killed with suicide bombers cause they dont even have the courage to be real warriors ... they are cowards all of them .

it is time we stood up for ourselves if we dont it will be a dishonor for any soldier that has ever fought for this counry, fought for us to have the freedoms we enjoy all your greatgrandfathers ,grandfathers, grandmothers, mothers, fathers ,uncles, aunts ,sisters and brothers have done for us putting thier lives on the line for us and now we are just going to sit with our thumbs up our butts? come one people we need to stand up and show these people we will not take anymore of thier crap. do you people think you can live through a war in this country ?? I dont think so ! they are waiting for the right time and it will be far worse then 9/11 much much worse . if we dont stand up against their nonsense , what will happen to our children , our grandchildren . think about that my fellow americans .

That whole "enemy of my enemy is my friend" line of thinking is part of how we got into trouble with Afghanistan in the first place. They were the enemy of the Soviets, and as we seem to have had a a history of doing, we offered them tons of aid, weapons, and training without asking, "By the way, who else do you not like?"

When you make it a practice to kill your "friends" family ...... you gotta expect he's gonna stab you in the back when he gets the opportunity ...

We should have never been there .... and should be leaving on the first "jet plane"
... after destroying every piece of armament and equipment that we still have under our control ... we should leave nothing but burning hulks ..

To Voiceontheleft: just those who would behead and kill innocent Christians and other believers. Who else promotes killing other God-fearing people in the name of God?

I thought that Afghanistan was the ALMIGHTY OBAMA's baby. The day we leave that God-forsaken country, ( the date already announced by our fearless leader), we should drop ever last ounce of Agent Orange on their poppies (which supply 90% of the heroin in the US). This has to be a country and its people that GOD completely forgot about

I'm a bit confused, Hatefoe. What does your comment have to do at all with what i said?

voiceontheleft hmmm I think we 're doing the right thing" last" better late than never. I think the President is in on the spoilt.

All investigation's will end 's up with one pointed finger. If that is the way they decide to play games they're need to be taught some lessons and wear headaches bandage, give em the impossible.

moonbeamracer

When you make it a practice to kill your "friends" family

Actually you are describing the Taliban, eventho there has been collateral damage due to NATO operations, they try not to kill civilians. The Taliban on the other hand intentionally kills civilians and use them as shields, they couldn't care less about them.

voiceontheleft: just making sure that we identify who the real "enemy" is when we talk about them. The enemy isn't the country or every Muslim.

Time to pull out.

Maybe an asteroid will wipe that septic boil of a country off the map.

Bush Junior got us into the sewer of the world.

ANY American President would've gone into Afghanistan after 9-11 to take out the al-Qaida garbage that had set up HQ there. The mistake was staying too long and trying to turn it into a modern nation. You can't build a modern nation dominated by a backward, medieval religion.

GW's BIG mistake though was going into Iraq. Our fool's errand there was to overthrow a dictator in order to bestow democracy upon them. That particular folly continues unabated in the Obama Administation.

No American President With A brain that didn't rattle when he sneezed .. would have gotten our troops evolved in Afghanistan!

moonbeamracer: Really? Are you old enough to remember 9/11? The entire country was outraged. Any president who didn't go into Afghanistan once the plot was known to originate from there would have been destroyed. He certainly wouldn't have been re-elected.

Now Iraq, on the other hand, as Adam stated earlier, was a big mistake. I remember sitting in a nearby command post watching OIF unfold, thinking, "Are we really going in there? This is nuts!"

Are you kidding??? Clinton started this whole mess. Bush W. was in office only 7 1/2 months when we were attacked. The terrorist has been planning this for over 3 years while Clinton was too busy doing other things in the Oval Office. Remember?

Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 1600+ American dead ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 17000 Americans wounded ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 566 billion ($566,000,000,000) spent to date on Afghanistan war ~~~~~~~~ 808 billion (808,000,000,000) cost of war in Iraq ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ American deaths in Iraq Over 4400 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ American Wounded in Iraq between 33,000 & 100,000 ~~~~~~~~~~~ The Middle East in chaos from the vacuum and instability directly caused by the overthrow of Saddam Hussein ... American loss of prestige on the world stage ...beyond repair for fifty years

Add to that that as a nation we weren't able to prevail in either conflict with the most powerful Military machine the world has ever seen ... doesn't bode well for us as a nation.

You seem to think that was a good deal ... I don't!

Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm

Any president who didn't go into Afghanistan once the plot was known to originate from there would have been destroyed. He certainly wouldn't have been re-elected.

And any president that makes war for that reason should be stood against the wall of the House office building on Constitution Ave in sight of the capitol and publicly shot! Americans don't go to war and lose their lives for a President to be reelected!

I'm sure that former President Bush would take exception to your comment.

Since I have been alive long enough to remember WWII, and do have more than a passing knowledge of the area under discussion.

I remember with great clarity the preliminary missteps ( probably knowingly) in the area ... (counter to the intelligence they were receiving) during the Nixon Administration and later compounded in President Carters administration in regards to Iran, and Saudi Arabia. The decision to allow Reza Shah Pahlavi to be over thrown by radicals was the beginning of the end for American long term interest in the area.

You don't enter conflicts you can't win .... the "prof is in the puddin" and the United States is being chased out of Afghanistan call it what you will to save face ... but your being whipped .. ..

.Afghanistan was a no win situation from the beginning ... regardless of how you fought the war ... Americans cannot even imagine the hardships these people have endured simply to exist! These are really durable, tough, people, whose life is beyond even the comprehension of Americans.

There is available a 1925 movie that is available on Youtube about a tribal group that portrays what one of these groups, The Bakhtiari, life is like, if you can watch the movie in its entirety (8 parts) and say " I could live that life" your one in a million!

Contrary to the previous opinion, Iraq was winnable, if you were willing to do what it takes to win a real war, and America is not!

We aren't loosing wars because of our fighting men, we're loosing wars because we aren't willing to do what it takes to win!

"Yea though I walk through the valley of death, I will fear no evil, Because I am the meanest cruelest SOB in the valley" I give no quarter .. I will destroy and kill everything in my path, I have no mercy, everything you possess is now mine, your life has no value to me .. resist and die! Submit and I might let you live. ... Horrible & cruel ... but necessary to win battles & wars !

The United States of America is unwilling to do that today ... we are just to civilized

...I think you mean "we are just too sissyfied" for effective war .

moonbeam,

Don't you mean?

Mongol General: Hao! Dai ye! We won again! This is good, but what is best in life?
Mongol: The open steppe, fleet horse, falcons at your wrist, and the wind in your hair.
Mongol General: Wrong! Conan! What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.
Mongol General: That is good! That is good!

Either way moot point as our Military Forces are exhausted and without a draft I doubt they could take any more nor should they. Even if it was started today it's too little, too late.

Just bring our people home...............Please!

moonbeamracer... 9/11, who do you think was responsible???? what would have been your response???

I HATE war, but I am not foolish enough to believe that if we pull out and stop aid that all will be better.

You put a lot of thought on looking backwards (results), can you share how you would have handled it looking forward (they say that is much harder, give it a try).

Thanks for your thoughts.

From what I understand, they need the water AND the fertilizer (they use theirs to build bombs). Flush twice, it's a long ways.

I'll be flushing a few cherry bombs down the toilet then with a long fuse so when it gets there they will get a nice surprise!

I understand your resentment...Dearborn, in your state, is under complete muslim control and it is spreading. We need to pull back, stop this life and money wasting 'nation-building' crap and take care of our own country and our own people.

Allen

You are so right. Let's take of our own first for a change. Personally if it was up to me I would send them all packing back home.

Michigan so true- It takes so much and so long for America to wake up. Hope they pulls out now bring our weary troops home sweet home...

Then give those yellowbelly crawlers a Throphy for their kind hospitalities.. Give them the best they would'nt forget for their rest of their lives.

Iraq was not a real war sir. Since Korea all wars fought were Political Wars. The only one that made any sense was Bush one kick in ass to Iraq and leaving Kuwait really appreciative and welcoming towards the United States. That was how to do it. How ironic his party dumped him for a next term. Just a shame Bush 2 had to mess it all up. Bush 1 listened to Powell and got out with a real banner flying behind him. Even we Vietnam Vets were smiling. It put a whole new emotion in our hearts. President Obama did same when he got Bastard bin Laden. But if Bush did it right the first time Afghanistan would have ended at Tora Bora. President Obama with a man like Powell in his grasp would have become a God. But when you buy crap it takes time to wipe it off. 8 years of crap and with 3.5 years of cleaning what crap the other guy left and then a congress that wants to make him look bad so he won't be reelected then you want to make this President the scapegoat. UH UH. My fellow Vet. I am totally not understanding why people in their 70's and up watch FOX News and make Fox's thoughts their own. It's sad. But I guess being from another era it's tough just getting by the man's skin color never mind his intellect and position.

I agree its a nice thought to think we can change the ideology through diplomatic actions but it doesnt seem to be working. I dont favor war either (combat vet myself) but if we are gonna do the war thing do it with a total conviction, not the coddle the enemy for a political agenda. Let our forces do their jobs for what they are trained for or bring them home.

Awesome post. I ESPECIALLY like the last two sentences.

mathuin for President or at least Chairman of the Joint Chiefs .

Marvelous , absolute best solution ever.

Mathuin

Very well put and truthful.

You should apply for general. Submit your resume to my shreddar. I will be sure and call you back.

Worry about your neighborhood. Stay out of world affairs.

BRYAN brainless..........bugger off loser....stay in YOUR own neighborhood....

Yes it should be done without warning and with immediate effect a swift removal. I am holding my breath until.

Most of all we've got OB which is a major Goal.

RE: "I want my tax dollars out of this barbaric country NOW!"

I don't care about the money I'm far more concerned about our people and their safety.

Yeah no problem. It wasn't a member of your family that got Murdered. Right??

I don't believe it was ever about "civilized."

I'm no fan of Bush, but I believe it was about going after the hot-bed of terrorists that took over the country and also helping the victims (women & children) that were casualties in the mix. However, it would have been a LOT cheaper for the US had we just sent aid and maybe rescue those who wanted a life of freedom.

There was NEVER an end in sight. Bush left the BS for Obama.

Time to tuck the tail and get the hell out like the Russians and French did years ago.

Amen, you said it just right. Do you suppose anyone in Washington looks at these posts for a general feeling on issues like this? I didn't read a single post that sees any value of staying in Afghanistan, or currying favor with Pakistan. There needs to be a jet trail behind our troops and material - now.

Lots of us have been saying this since day 1 Obama was elected. Not just out of Iraq but Afghanistan/Yemen too. Over and over we write the same thing. Drone Haliburton too and get home. I personally hear guns cocked all over this Globe right now. These are very dangerous times, coming from All sides. We need to shore up and become Defensive only for what will come. We look like sitting ducks over there and we're making everybody mad. Even UK and Germany say they don't trust USA any more. Like I say drone Haliburton and get home. This is no time to Occupy the World for the Market & Banks. Blind Insanity. Train people to go to war with us?Give and sell them weapons? Blind Insanity.

Jan-644445,

If anyone in Washington is reading these posts, they don't seem to feel a need to respond to the American People. I don't know anyone who really thinks we have anything further to gain in Afghanistan. I retired from the Army four years ago, but stay in touch with many of my friends who are still in. None of them are optimistic about this situation. And now that we can trust none of our "allies", staying one day longer than absolutely necessary smacks of sheer lunacy.

U.S.A. TRUE they've learned a lot it's high time they get to hell out of there.. come home get some good food amd rest snd wait prepared for the exrremist enemies.

It's crazy to leave our troops over there to help them and then they have the balls to turn against us after all we've done for them. The blood of our fallen troops are screaming out for justice. Bring all our troops home, guard our own borders. And let the rest of the world take care of their own damn problems.

LOL! Nuke the whole area. That would be like 50-100 volcanoes erupting. It would destroy half the life on Earth and the Russians, Chinese, Israelis and Europeans would probably retaliate. So, you would effectively be ending life on Earth. I must admit, that would solve the problem. IDIOT!

Haliburton, contractors and CIA. The great vision of a giant Trade Market with no Human Rights and forced labor in the mines, Corporate expansion and more Hardees and Mcdonalds. Fear of Iran/Russia/Syria/Pakistan/China and everyone else..even Saudi A. Can't defend ourselves from anything in that position. We are less safe now than during 9/11. We made it Worse!!

Give me a break; given the choice Romney would send more troops in so his friends in the Arms & Oil Industries could make more money and donate more to his campaigns.

When will these danmed Politicians learned that their job is to legislate, we're not paying them to be re-elected.