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DUBAI -- Iran launched a submarine and a destroyer into the Persian Gulf from Bandar Abbas port on Tuesday at the same time as U.S. and allied forces held massive naval exercises in the same waters to practice keeping oil shipping lanes open.
Tehran has repeatedly threatened to close the Strait of Hormuz, a route for oil exports from the gulf, if Iranian nuclear sites are attacked by Israel, which believes Tehran is trying to develop an atomic bomb.
The United States, Britain, France and a number of Middle Eastern states are conducting a naval exercise in the gulf this week, focusing on how to clear mines that Tehran or guerilla groups might deploy to disrupt tanker traffic.
The exercises, with 25 countries participating, are the largest ever of its kind in the region, according to Britain’s Telegraph newspaper
The multinational force includes three U.S. Nimitz class carrier groups, each of which has more aircraft than Iran’s entire air force, the newspaper said.
The force is also supported by at least 12 battleships, including ballistic missile cruisers, frigates, destroyers and assault ships, which carry thousands of U.S. Marines and special forces, the Telegraph reported.
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Iran's refitted Tareq-901 submarine and Sahand destroyer were launched on the direct orders of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the official IRNA news agency reported.
Iran's 'strong fence'
On the other side of the country, Khamenei visited the northern coastal city of Nowshahr on Tuesday to watch naval cadets practice planting mines, freeing hijacked ships, destroying enemy vessels and jumping from helicopters, his official website said.
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"The armed forces must reach capabilities such that no one can attack the strong fence of the country and the dear people of Iran," Khamenei told army commanders, according to the Iranian Students News Agency.
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Iran's Tareq-class submarines are diesel-electric boats that were originally built in Russia in the early 1990s, according to the Nuclear Threat Initiative, a non-profit organization that focuses on security affairs.
Iran: 'Nothing will remain' of Israel if war starts
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday that Tehran was close to being able to build a nuclear bomb, fuelling speculation about an Israeli strike. Iran insists its nuclear program is peaceful.
Publicly, Iranian military officials have sounded relaxed about the U.S. naval exercise.
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"This exercise is a defensive exercise and we don't perceive any threats from it," Mohammad Ali Jafari, commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, told local media.
"We are not conducting exercises in response," he said.
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This could get ugly...
Only if a bunch of ugly-azz Iranian sailors end up floating on the water after trying something stupid with the USN.
You mean the mega rich oil companies who employ the Navy. I'm a navy man and trust me we will be their no doubt orders of the oil giants.
What do you call a small obsolete 21 year old diesel submarine that goes up against a US carrier battle group? A oil slick. What do you call a Iranian destroyer that goes up against a US carrier battle group? A reef.
We should have focused on Iran in 2001 instead of Iraq.
Thats right, be sure to make all the locations known of all of our ships. Not to mention the us's intentions on what we are doing. Great job. Ever heard of element of surprise?
Yeah, Seewhat,
I'm sure they had no idea we were there. /s
Go read this, especially paragraph 3. b.:
http://david393071.newsvine.com/_news/2012/01/03/9928679-iran-2009-to-2012-strait-of-hormuz
I agree with most of what this article says, just wanted to correct you on a few things. Russia itself is a big oil state , so they don't need iran's oil, but they are ally of iran and they don't want Iran to fall , that put the russian in danger strategically. also iran monitory is not dinar, it is rial.
Let this new toy of Iran's try to get in close to one of our carrier battle groups. I'm sure SUBLANT's hunter-killer boats would enjoy practicing on a live target.
"The multinational force includes three U.S. Nimitz class carrier groups, each of which has more aircraft than Iran's entire air force..."
Iran has no idea what they are dealing with...
Right now as it is, the entire country of Iran is creeping with Mossad, CIA and MI6.
Iran's borders and waters are surrounded by some of the most feared Nuclear Submarines of all times, even the Russian old KGB spies acknowledge the new US submarines arsenal are enough to finish all "life as we know it".....
One wrong move by these terrorists, and a cigar smoking US Nuclear submarine commander would not hesistate to push the RED button; not even Obama can save you....
Why tempt fate terrorists?
LOL, our guys could sink it on the first try, and make it look like an accident. Just send in the navy seals, catch it's propeller in a fishing net with an old WW II mine.
Or just blow it the hell out of the water as soon as it threatens any oil tanker, or U.S. Armed Services ship..
The Islamic Terrorist Republic of Iran is outgunned,surrounded ,isolated and without hardly any support in the world. This nazi islamic terrorist type regime has held the world hostage for 33 years. They will fall much easier than the nazi German gangsters .If they try anything funny .they will be responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of their citizens,just as Hitler was responsible for the death of millions of his.They have to be stopped before they have a nuke bomb !! For the good of world peace and all of human civilazation...The world is now in a post Munich situation. The Islamic Revolution has to be overthrown soon!
Your reference to the "Nazi" era could be closer to the truth than many realize.
Nazi, haha you said Nazi. what are you twelve years old? The Nazi's were eradicated more than three generations ago. So the old "nazi" meme is so last century. Could you please come up with something a little bit more modern?
Iran means Land of the Aryans in Farsi. The current regimes grandfathers were allies of Adolf Hitler.
In 1933 Fundamentalist Islamic Representative of the "Islamic World" Amin Al Husseini signed the 1933 Forever Alliance with Chancellor Hitler.
After that Representative Amin Al Husseini started the Elite Muslim SS Brigades, that were used internal to Germany to round up the German Political Dissenters and the Jews. They were later used external to Germany to fight the US and US Allies, especially at the "Middle East" (including Islamic North Africa).
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=amin+al+husseini&view=detail&id=2AA98BED9D3E75309E65AF26036818D6DAA8B07E&first=46
Fundamentalist Islamic Amin Al Husseini co founds the Fundamentalist Islamic Arab League of Nations, Original Charter the Extermination of the Jews. And demands the implementation of his Pan Arabic Plan, the forced removal of the original inhabitants of Palestine by armed force, the Christians and Jews, to be replaced by the "undesirables" (prisoners) from Egypt and Jordan, this was also done by armed force for those Arabs that would have to give up their families, relatives, property at Egypt and Jordan; the dumb arse British even help the Arabs do this, prevent the Jews from settling on those Lands that even the Arabs did not want until after the Jews developed the land with irrigation; these same Arabs instead of developing their own Nations Infrastructure spent all their wealth buying weapons from the USSR.
Fundamentalist Islamic Amin Al Husseini demands the Fundamentalist Islamic Arab League of Nations exterminate the Jews (aka Israel). In the Wars that follow the Fundamentalist Islamic Arab League of Nations lose the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Heights, Palestine, part of Jordan, part of Egypt, etc.. As sore losers they demand their losses back in exchange for Peace (LOL).
To keep their hatred to continue forever, Fundamentalist Islamic Amin Al Husseini has all Islamic Nations have implemented his Mandatory School Curriculum of Chancellor Hitler's Mein Kampf taught as a success story that was sabotaged by the Jews, the blame the Jews for everything, "Protocols of the Wise Elders of Zion", the 109 Suras of the 114 Suras of the Holy Koran's Calls to All Islamic Believers to War Against the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers, etc.. When I was sent to College at Egypt to learn Arabic I was required to attend the Mandatory School Curriculum or be expelled; later on when I went to another College at Egypt to learn Islam (taught only in Arabic) again I had to attend the Mandatory School Curriculum, the Egyptian Families that I lived with stated that this is normal and starts from the first days that they attend any school.
Fundamentalist Islamic Amin Al Husseini influences the founding of the Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood that was so Fundamentalist that most Islamic Nations made them Illegal.
To this day Fundamentalist Islamic Amin Al Husseini is considered an Islamic Superstar and Hero.
All of those saying that we need to attack the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, with all of their Allies the Chinese and Russian Federation Military Units operating their 21st Century Weapons Systems, and providing Maintenance on these Chinese and Russian Federation Weapons Systems, TOO F**KING LATE.
The time to have attacked them was went US Ally Saudi Arabia was begging the US and or Israel to attack the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran; instead President Obama ignored (blew them off) US Ally Saudi Arabia. With US Ally Saudi Arabia so pissed off, "President Obama gave Iraq to Iran as a Gift on a Golden Platter".
bart martin I think you watch too much fox news and you are unable to see things beyound fox and main stream media. Althogh I agree that the current regime in Iran is opressive, they have not attacked any country. the world is held hostage by us and nato. Us has over 160 millitary bases around the world, if this is not a definition of taking the wolrd hostage , I don't know what is.
It will be very difficult for the US to justify a strike on Iran, because our intelligence community has stated that Iran is not working on a nuclear weapons program. Their consensus coincides with that of the Israeli intelligence. The people ones pushing for war are the hard liners in Israel and Zionists the world over.
The sane people in the world, realize the demonizing of Iran is just Zionist propaganda, similar to that which was done to Iraq.
WMD indeed! Remember, the mobile biological weapons labs they touted as WMD were really for filling weather balloons. The Niger documents were proved to be forgeries. Do not fall for Zionist bs again. They lost their creditability in Iraq.
Has anyone read how Larry Silverstein is now sueing Logan International and the United American Airlines for billions. His insurance against a terrorist attack was good for 4 billion dollars. I wonder if the defendants can put him on the stand to explain how Bldg 7 fell, despite not being hit by an airplane and his order to "pull it".
This trial could be good. If I were a defendant, I would bring up the engineers and architects testimony on 9/11, which tells how the WTCs fell in controlled demolitions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A3dW_gUwOg
RalphH? What does the "H" stand for Hezbollah or Hussein?
No one uses the term Zionist in the US and youtube videos are not a good creditable source of information. lose change conspiracy video was a huge laugh. Those "experts" were not experts at all and yes Bldg 7 fell despite not being hit by an airplane because it instead got hit by the freeking WTC building that was falling. The building was evacuated and deemed unsafe and later that afternoon fell (with zero deaths). Lose change is the most idiotic conspiracy video i ever seen. Simple High school physics proves how delusional the film is. Only those extremely gullible and uneducated could believe such a joke. Go back to highschool if school is not considered blasphemy where your from.
Actually, Don, I suspect that that H in Ralph H's name stands for "Hitler."
Ralph ,the WMD in Iraq were not found..But they might have been sent to Syria.Even without them there were grounds to invade Iraq because they violated the agreement to open up their country for inspections after they were expelled from Kuwait which they had tried to make disappear.For years they played cat and mouse games with the U.N and the international community.Their hand was called and the Hussein regime was overthrown .Iran is diffferent,The proof of Iran´s nuke bomb program has been proved by the intelligence of many countries and now the U:N .There is no doubt,that the enrichment program which can not be used for anything but a bomb is speeding ahead.This already is a justification to attack Iran Aside from that. Iran has committed terrorist attacks on 6 continents.This is also a type of declaration of war which would justify getting rid of the Islamic Revolution in Iran All this has also been investigated and is certain..This article is about Iran,but your pyscho babble about LarrySilverstone on Stein or whatver is not only irrelevant and has a lack of value ( which means it could be eliminated by Newsvine) but it goes along way to justify what many people on Newsvine suspect that the H might be for hezbollah hitler.hamas or hussein ) that that you might live in gaza or Iran where you work for the propaganda offices.Agian this article is about Iran,not Israel or Logan airport or the international "Zionist conspiracy" so at least buzz off from this article and go to the anti Israel anti Jewish bashing site or Iran or Germany in 1944 .where you seem to be happier. Have a good trip!!
All anyone has to do is watch the video. It clearly shows Bldg7 falling into its own footprint in a controlled demolition. It shows Silverstein telling them to "pull it", just before the fal of Bldg 7. If one building was rigged, they all were rigged.-- Let the truth be known. PBS in one city is showing the video of the architects and engineers explaining how the WTCs and Bldg 7 were obviously rigged with nano thermite, prior to them being hit. Bldg 7 was hundreds of yards away from the towers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YaFGSPErKU&feature=related
Let the truth be known.
Ralph,
What does cASSandra' name mean?
Every time she appears on vines anything related to the Zionist state of Israel she is quick to say the Jews are always the victims. Well the world knows that the land stealers of Israel are terrosits that want all of the middle east if they had it their way. Keep trying Cassandra we can't get enough of your bull@!$%#.
RalphH .. that building had no one in it when it fell and it was expected to fall thats why it was evacuated and deemed unsafe. The fires couldn't be put out safely and the suppression system lacked the water due to the massive damage to utilities in that area along with some design flaws. The EOC was relocated to the back up EOC and was activated without much of a delay ( a minor delay). There were no deaths associated to the fall of the WTC 7 building. If it was "rigged" it was done to do a controlled fall verses having the thing falling on rescue workers. i would have ordered it to be demolished if i was the Incident Commander.
rocky, I have NEVER said that the Jews are always the victims. And, Ab, since you ask who Cassandra is...She is a figure in Greek mythology who always predicted the truth but was never believed.
Cassandra wins the "Godwin Award" for the day!
Johngis, it takes weeks to rig a building to fall in a controlled demolition. There were men allegedly working on the elevators of the twin towers at night, in the months preceeding the attack on 9/11. The elevators were in the core of the building.
Whether anyone died in Bldg 7 or not is irrelevant. As I stated before, if one building was rigged, they all were rigged and Bldg 7 is the smoking gun. Silverstein, as the owner, had control of security of all 3 buildings. Nothing could be done of that magnitude, without his knowledge.
Mike, I looked up the Godwin Award...and it is a satire on some people who are always wildly comparing some others to the Nazis. My comparison is based on Ralph H's long history as a stark raving Jew-baiter.
RalphH you really need to either work in structural frabrication or get a degree in structural engineering then you'll know how wrong your BS is. BTW I worked as structural frabrication "A" card journeyman for 10 years and you are full of it. You conspiracy idiots never account for one thing. We all saw the planes crash into the buildings!!!!!!
Silverstein- A JEW, no doubt. guess he was going to get his pockets fat out of the deal. Sick ba$tard.
If Silverstein is a Jew, he must be the dumbest one on the planet. Every time I have ever read of the owner demolishing a building for the insurance, it was done in the middle of the night when it was empty....thus avoiding upping the ante from insurance fraud to serial murder.
bart martin I don't know where you get your info from ,perhaps you should contact all 16 us intelligence agencies who concluded that as of 2003 Iran has stopped working on nuclear bomb and they are not looking to make a bomb. U.s and israel have killed iranian scientist, sanctioned Iran in a most inhumane way possible, surronded iran with their millitary bases in all the arab persian gulf, afghanistan, and azerbayjan, having two aircraft carriers stationed in persian gulf, and may more , these are action declaring war. as for iraq, as a matter of fact the iaea inspectors were in iraq when they were told to get out and iraq was attacked, and don't forget prior to that u.s had put some sever sanction on iraq that nearly a million children died from starvation, this is declaration of war. and as far far as iran uranium enrichment, Iran had agree to stop enrichment above 5%, If the u.s and the west provided them with the medical isotopes for the reseach and treating their 800000 cancer patients, but the west refused and declined their request. In order to make medical isotopes they must enrich uranium to %20. so they are w/in their rights and that is not justification to attack them. and why don't you explain to the rest of us how israel has over 400 atomic bomb, did not sighn the npt, has not allowed iaed inspectores ,kill iranian scientists and many more covert and false flags and they get away with it.
The one thing we know for sure is that the Iranian's X-Soviet sub will submerge;-D
Note to the author of this piece: There are NO Battleships in commission in any navy. The correct term is WARSHIP....DUH!
Walter Cronkite wouldn't make that mistake....
Correct, the last Battleships in commission AND operational were the Iowa class Battleships: Iowa, New Jersey, Wisconsin, and the Missouri, they were retired ten years ago or more. An easy way to tell if a ship is a Battleship is if it has 16 inch guns, 15 inch guns, 14 inch guns, 12 inch guns. The BB's with 14 and 12 inch guns were WW I and older. British WW II BB'S had 15 inch guns and very possibly 16 inch guns, US WW II BB's mostly had 16 inch guns but some older ones had 14 inch guns.
I think we are itching for a fight , and we have no excuse for it , except that Netenyahu have his Pants wet , and he wants us to go to war for him , we need to drop all these dumb sanctions , and tell Israel a country of 8 million people to live and let live , they have Nukes and if they are serious about Iran Nukes , well let them open their plants for inspections , I do not know why we a 300 million country have to obey these war monger leaders of Israel . we have the Saudis and Qataris ( Alqaida's masters ) telling to arm these Alqaida and Muslims brother hood thugs in Syria , so they can kill all the Christians in that part of the world , and create a safe heaven for the Alqaida thugs , and on the other hand they are financing these thugs to kill us in Libya and every where else , Is our politicians that stupid ??? or they are just getting paid , and do not give a damn what happened to our troops ?? some thing is going on, while they are investigating all these killing of our people every where , they need to investigate Hillary , McCain , Lieberman and Graham and every body that helping these thugs getting weapons and training .
We need to make the first move on this one. They have already showed their asses this past week, it's our turn. Don't give them a chance to pull off the first strike, we will lose big, but if we flaten them as they stand the lost of life will be minimal.
that is stupid. It sounds like you are playing a lot of xbox. live a real life
In any conflict with Iran, their navy would not even get the chance to leave port. Between the US Navy and Air Force, the conclusion is already written. Send them all to Davy Jones. "do you fear death?".
Simple tactics 1 US carrier aircraft group takes out the Iranian navy. 2 US carriers aircraft groups takes out the Iranian airforce due to a 2 to 1 numerical advantage it would be another Great Marianas Turkey Shoot. Iraq's airforce wasn't up to the task and the Iranians don't have a safe haven country to run to.
You are right S3, which is why we have nothing to fear from Iran. Iraq was even less a threat than Iran, yet the war criminals, led by Bush, Cheney and the neocons in the Whitehouse, started a war against Iraq which featured "shock and awe". The American people swallowed the idea there was a threat and let our nation sacrifice our reputation as a nation of fairness and compassion.
We cannot let our government lead us into another war for Israel over drummed up intelligence and outright lies.
I'm just guessing that since there are no actual "battleships" on active duty for any nation on the planet, that, there are "only" numerous very capable large warships involved. They probability will be more than up to any task in dealing with Iranian forces.
I love the way the make sure they give the details on the whereabouts of all of our fleet and the type they are and how many Marines and air planes are on board. real smart. Jack asses
The most important item the Iranians have not addressed is what happens after they run out of missles and bullets because they used them all in the "opening salvos". And they will have to use everything they have. Do they think that when the smoke clears they will see the total destruction of US and Isreali forces?
Hardly. When the smoke clears, Iran will be sitting there with empty guns and staring at a force vastly larger and far more capable. No, this is a case of big bark, small bite.
One Nimitz class US carrier holds more fire power than the entire Irianian AF.
I do not doubt at all that the Irainians can cause alot of damage out of the gate. But they can't sustain a long term military engagement and if they think they could shut down the Strait of Hormez for any length of time they need to lay off the kool-aid.
Troy that's what we thought in Iraq and Afghanistan man , why do you want to put our troops in harms way for no reason what so ever , except that Netenyahu wants us to go to war , Iran have not threatened any body , they only answer to the Israeli's threats , what do you expects them to do , a tiny country of 8 million people wants to rule the world , and every body should start shacking , it does not work that way man , that's why every country looking for Nukes , to keep country like Israel from threatening them every minute they wish .
Israel is just setting us up. Always talking @!$%# and expecting us to bail them out. What exactully do they do for us. Are they keeping countries from blowing us off the face of the earth every 3 to 4 months, or is that what we do for them? Unreal.
troy1011
first iran has a millitary industry, and they do have many resources and they wont run out so quickley, but regardless of what they have or not have why are we exactly want to go to war with them?that is a question that we have to answere before all these bs. and 2nd look at the afghan people. they are withstanding the us and nato forces with $5 home made bombs. It is not how much you spend on millitary, it is the will of people who don't want their land to be occupied . why don't you check the recent war with iran simulation that pentegan ran recently. It is not as easy as you think.and the simulation did not put into facts that china, russia and the whole middle east my get involved with it. if u.s thoght it was easy, they would have done it long ago.
Without US help, iran can easily beat isreal's navy.. I am not so sure about air force though...
Even if they inflict similar casualties to easch other, iran still will come out on top...
Take out 2 million people from isreal, they are f*cked.
Take out 2 million from iran, it barely makes a dent...Plus, iran is already in middle ages somewhat, so no big deal economy collapsed, infrastructure demolished etc...
But for isrealis, its unlivable w/out internet access, let alone w/out running water in the WC...
No one will take out 2 million human beings from Isarel unless Russia launched a Nuclear war. Which would mean the US and India and others would also. That would be the end of the world. I dont think anyone wants that
Bibi wants it so bad he just spent this weekend on American TV beginning for it.
There are a lot of Christians who want that.
If Iran blows them off the face of the earth, that sure would save us billions of dollars that we could be using for other things. We need to leave all these countries alone. They dug their own graves. Why do we have to keep protecting them every time they threaten someone. No one is threating us on our land.
Why does Russia have a problem with Israel? I haven't heard that one yet.
russian's are iran's ally, so an attack from israel(which I have no doubt that Israel will use their nuclear bomb to penetrate iran's nuclear facilities, would endanger all species , not only in iran , but countries that border Iran including russia. all the arab countires, armenia, azarbayjan and some europian countries may even get the radiation. and there is no quick surgical operation. tehran has a 7 million population and the reseach facility is in tehran. so this will turn nuclear.
This may well be a propaganda run-up to a false flag attack in which one of Israel's Dolphin submarines, admitted by Germany to be armed with nuclear-tipped cruise missiles, sneaks up along the Iranian cost and fires an attack at a US ship, quite possibly the soon-to-be-scrapped USS Enterprise. So, ahead of hearing the Big Bang and the inevitable screams from Israel's presstitutes at ABCNNBBCBSFOX, just use your common sense and ask yourself why Iran, trying as hard as they can to avoid a war, would initiate such a foolish attack? As a reminder, Iran has not started a war in over 200 years, a claim neither Israel nor the United States can match.
Thats what I personally worried about; isreal's only focus right now is how to get US to attack iran... Looking at isreal's history, they will do anything to (There is no limit to how low they can go) achieve what they think is good for them...
They jacked around US thru jew looby and got us into wars in some freaking places we have no business with.
But people of US is now more informed and can smell the stink coming form isreal..
So nate yahu is terrified with the prospect of attacking iran and get whacked in the process, with US in the sidelines, saying, "Clean up your own mess a-holes"
isreal will lose dearly; many men, billions etc, form which they can not recover... If , they manage to survive the assault by iran..
Whole thing can be avoided by isreal acting like human beings.
These stupid isrealis actually believe they have a right to attack iran for "presumed nuke development" where they themselves actually have them...
Only because the stupid Iranians and many others believe they have the god given right to genocide anyone who is Jewish. their so called right to genocide ends at the barrel of the US war machine. Not on our watch and the US isn't going anywhere. The blood lust of these extremist is a sick disease. Iran has sworn to genocide Israel in public and does not try to even hide it. Special thanks to Raytheon, lockheed, vought, GE and others the homicidal blood lusting fanatics do not have a chance.
you think iran is only interested in killing men? they want to Genocide and do things under their insane cult religion equal if not worse than the "rape of Nan King" but in all honesty Iran is no match for Israel.. thank God
Gee Johngis, if Iran doesn't like Jews, why do they have thousands of them living happily in Iran? They wouldn't have to go to Israel to start a genocide. They could start right in their own country. The truth is, their problem is with Zionism and the Likud government of Israel, not Judism.
OK, Rivero, so there are two possibilities:
1. The Israelis will attack the poor peace-loving Iranians or
2. The Israelis will attack an American ship, pretending to be Iranian. They might, however, avoid attacking the USS Enterprise, since both Kirk and Spock are Jewish (AKA William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy).
radar will not allow some one to sneak up the coast line- but indeed the idea of starting a "false" attack wouldnt surprise me at all.
It wouldn't be the first time israel attacked an american navy ship and tried to blame it on someone else. Never forget the USS Liberty!
All of this will get very ugly very soon. People think that this probably will pass. Not at all because we will be in another war very soon. Israel will make certain of that. Get use to misery because it will be coming very soon.
Absolutely. IF we do not get our noses out of there and leave these Middle Eastern countries to their own destruction then we are going to have to play "Police Of The World" again. Israel likes pushing buttons....Israel needs to defend themselves then if they can't stop pushing buttons of the fanatics.....and drag the US into it. NO, the US should have learned by now that the Middle East is not our friend and will kill every last one of us if they get a chance, after they break us (taking all that foreign aid money to build their armies and train troops to kill us).........time the US worried about the US and it's citizens and stayed out of everyone else's business. We are becoming another dirty, broke down, broke third world country thanks to all these squabbles, chest thumping, bar rattling skirmishes.
Exactly let them wipe each other out. We need to cut loose the cancer known as Israel and let them fight their own battles with out the U.S help. We made to many enemies at the cost of being friends with Israel. They did it to themselves by butchering men women and children all for land. Well now they will know what it is to be the chosen people.
Yes, they are just starting a bunch of crap so we have to fix it for them, now that we are already over there flexing our military muscles, these animals are going to get itchy soon. Some fool is going to try something. Thats Israel-you truly are not our enemy or our alli, or you wouldnt start sh!t you couldn't finish on your own.
OMG!!!! they launched "a" submarine!!! We dont have a chance!! Quick Mr. Obama get our fleet (and the other 25 countries participating) out of there before they are wiped out. We dont stand a chance!! Our Nuclear Subs are no match for the Russian made Diesel Sub....not to mention our 3 aircraft carriers....they will be sitting ducks
jeff,
iran is not threatining US, they are trying to show isrealis what they have in store for them...
which they know that we will be there to back their stupid a$$e$ up. Thats why they don't care because they know our military strength is nothing compared to ememies. They are like " fusk it we can do whatever we want" The US is tied around our pinky finger and will be there no questions about. They are using us. WTF do they do for us??
Iran just wants to be seen as tuff. They know they are back a$$word cowards.
Because Is(not)rael has us on their side. They could (Iran) blow them off the face of the earth with another country to back them up if they wanted. I'm sure anybody would be glad to join in just because we Love Israel. WTF. SMH And everybody else over there hates us.
circumcellion I would not call a country that withstood a war for 9 years with iraq (who by the way was given everything accept atomic bomb from the u.s and europe including chamical bomb which he didn't hesitate to use on Iranian) and lost nearly a million people a coward nation.
A Diesel sub probably a surplus" Akola" class attack sub left over from the cold war,give our boys some minor, but fun target practice...my guess, they will try and use it eventually to launch a nuclear missile/torpedo at America...kind of a transparent plan, one that is doomed beyond failure as our Navy has been training to fight these type of attacks for the past 70+ years ....who knows they might get lucky ...but i doubt it. Anyway it will be a suicide mission for the jihadis deep six-ed into the Laurention abyss.
They'll never make it to our shores.
It's true, Irans sub probably poses no threat to us. But those shore based Chinese Sunburn missiles make our navy a bunch of sitting ducks in the Strait of Hormuz. Iran has many thousands of conventional missiles, that will send the cowardly israelis whineing and crying down in their little ratholes and shelters for months to come. And Russia won't be very happy if some of their nuclear scientists are killed by israel or the us. Russia and China have already sent some very strong signals that we should not attack Iran! And we disregard them at our peril. Not to mention that america is broke and can't afford another war for israel.
scott ,are you really that naive ? with your overtones of being a skinhead,we have developed more counter measures than china or russia can dream of, guess you never heard of phalanx,as for Iran...they sink one of our ships with a lucky shot, what are they going to do about our bombers,attack subs,missile cruisers and that big can of whoop-ass we open on all tin plated dictators?,their buddies russia and china will slither down their festering holes,and give the U.S. a good tongue lashing (AFTER) TEHRAN is reduced to rubble. Most of the Arab world would not shed a tear.
Yep, keep pushing their buttons so that instead of bringing our troops and personnel out of Afghanistan and iraq we can just move them to around the Persian Gulf for our next war.....errr altercation...situation?
Bring all our troops and personnel home from the Middle East....close off travel to and from these countries...stop all aid to these countries...and allow them to kill each other off.
Use the money we save to rebuild America and aid US Citizens.
It seems with all the threats Iran has made, if they actually put a submarine near a U.S. Navy ship, then there is only one option, - Or is the U.S. Navy going to call Sec. of State Hillary Clinton for directions?
Sorry Riley you can't just go blasting any ship in the ocean that makes you feel insecure. There are rules and we and the Soviets followed them for years.
We will say we are sorry. They have already declared an act of war, by the recent attacks. Our fleet can do alot of damage. We can wipe out anything coming at us, from air or sea. tHEY DON'T HAVE A CHANCE. Thanks Israel for getting us into this mess. ba$tard$.
Ummm, Riley. What threats has Iran made? I must have missed it.
Ummm, SeeWhat I Mean. What recent attacks, by whom? What declared act of war? The dumbing of america is evident in many of the posts on this board.
Why does Israel needs Nukes submarines ??? Why do they need Nukes ??? a small country like Israel have over 200 Nukes thanks to us , why do they needs them ,hell if the Nuke any country next to them , they will be destroyed themselves . I tell you why , Israel will attack Europe and the US if they feel like they are not getting their way , Germany just gave more Modern Submarines , Israel cried about Saddam , till we went and destroyed Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of people , and we lost heroes that died for no reason but GREED. AND NOW , HERE WE GO AGAIN . I JUST HOPE OUR GENERALS WILL OVER RULE OUR DUMB CIVILIAN LEADERS THAT HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE DOING , SORRY , BUT LOOK IF IT WAS NOT FOR MONICA , HILLARY WILL NEVER BEEN A SENATOR , PEOPLE FELT SORRY FOR HER AND VOTED HER IN , NOW SHE IS TRYING TO RUN THE WORLD , LOOK WHAT SHE IS DOING IN SYRIA , ARMING ALQIDA OFF COURSE ALONG WITH OUR WAR MONGER SENATOR MCCAIN, AND TRAINING THESE THUGS , THE SAME THUGS THAT ATTACKED US ON 9/11 , AND IN THE LATEST LIBYA ATTACK , DO WE EVER LEARN ANYTHING ???? NO , NOT WHILE THESE DUMB ASS'S RUNNING THE COUNTRY .
Well blow me down. Game of Battleship anyone?? Lets make it three contestants with the U.S. drawing a bye. Let Iran, Israel and Egypt's American gifted subs go at eachother.
Smarterthanathirdgrader. That makes way too much sense. Gosh, if we did something like that it would make us like "Australia!" And, of course we all know how in danger Australia is and all about their gas shortages and budgetary woes(sarcasm.)
At least they are smart enough not to let these animals into their county. Look at us. Freedom of religion my a$$. Thats 200 plus years old when all we had to worry about were the amish, quakers and a few Native Indians to name a few, no real threats. (until the natives got tired of us pushing them around telling them what to do with their land and people) We could control them. Not these savages. We let them here. Now look what we are up against. Mosques everywhere you turn. On the news recently several mosques visitors car windows were smashed out here in Virginia. Good thats what they get. Hope they had insurance.
Ha Ha When were the Amish and Quakers a threat. The Mormons were never even a threat. The U.S. cavalry, and citizens attacked them several times though. They retreated several times farther west each time. The Mormons did protect themselves though, but they never actively attacked any town or Army.
As for the Quakers and the Amish, that was straight up bunk. They only lived separate because they were different. You need to read more history. Michener wrote some pretty good stuff about the Grenzler Dutch in Pennsylvania. Try starting there.
Israel has 400 4th generation fighters and Iran has less than 50 and most are not in operational status. Their navy is a joke and T-72s and M60's are worthless against M-1s.
You armchair admirals may want to read this article before embarrassing yourselves any further.
It appears we can't post links here. So you armchair admirals and generals might want to Google USS Stark, Sunburn missile, SS-NX-26 Yakonts missiles, before further embarrassing yourselves with a lot of hot air!
Before reading my message, note that I am a hippy.
A human being living in the land of Iran should be mad for reasons not understood by never-having-dealt-with situations as theirs.
Look at it from their view: What if in the 1950's, Iran overthrew our president and installed a puppet government for their interest? What if Iran invaded Mexico and Canada while their fleet was sitting inside the Gulf of Mexico? What if they demanded you stop making nuclear things while Iran had nuclear arsenal up the ass? What if they controlled all opinions --for good or bad -- of the world and told everyone that the US is bad? What if in the late 1940's they brought millions of muslims to the province of Quebec and said that it is now their land? Would you not be infuriated? Would you not want to kill the Muslims that took already-declared-land from Canada?
If anyone goes up against this comment(which I feel it's inevitable), let it be known that I am not a Muslim. I am American like you.
the god of Abraham,the true and living god, their is none beside him,is a defense and shield of Israel.shalom.
Keith Browne That's crock of BS , God does not and will not protects countries that attack and threat every body , and destroy people lands and homes , and God does not have Chosen people , Because if he does , I am giving up my Christian faith and all the CHRISTIANS SHOULD DO THE SAME , Our Jesus taught us , that we all God's Children's , even the evil ones , No Chosen ones , that's a crock the Jews and your Conservatives preachers ( which they should become Rabbis ) want you to believe , they even forged some of the Bible to make convenient for them , I was Born and raised a Christian , they crucified our Jesus and now they claim they are the Chosen ones , Wow Its like some body killing your son and claim to be your favorite person , what a crock , you all need to get over that one . and to all of you Christians that believe that , you all should become Jews ( If the chosen ones let you , off course they are very picky ) and leave Christianity to the ones that believe in Jesus as the son of God , and that he died for every body , NO EXCEPTIONS .
my turn-5304605.please read Romans chapters 9 and 10 thank u in advance.
The Bible was written 30 years after Jesus left us , and most of the people that written the Bible were Jews , so I do not believe everything I read , Just like I do not believe Eve ate that apple and fed it to Adam , and I do not believe that Eve slept with her own kids , sorry buddy I am a Christian , but that's what My Jesus gave the brain to think , unlike some people .
Last time the Iranian puddle pirates decided to toy with the USN, they lost in about 5 hours.
This time, it won't last that long...
All those props in the water .... Almost sounds like a Lake Fork, Texas weekend fishing tournament.