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Subscribe to RSSEgyptian authorities on Tuesday ordered the arrest of seven Egyptian Coptic Christians and a U.S. pastor for alleged involvement in the production of an anti-Islam video tied to protests across the Middle East and North Africa, the BBC reported.
Akhtar Soomro / Reuters
Protests ignited by a controversial film that ridicules Islam's Prophet Muhammad spread throughout Muslim world.
The seven Egyptians -- one woman and seven men -- and Florida Pastor Terry Jones will be tried by a criminal court on charges of "insulting the Islamic religion, insulting the prophet and inciting sectarian strife," in the "Innocence of Muslims" film made in California, the BBC reported, citing Egypt's public prosecutor.
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An ex-con named Nakoula Bessaly Nakoula was escorted from his Cerritos, Calif., home to answer questions about his role in a controversial anti-Islam film. NBC's Mike Taibbi reports.
The seven Copts to be tried include Elia Basseley, who the prosecutor said is also known as Nakoula Basseley Nakoula. The 55-year-old, widely linked to the film, has been interviewed by U.S. federal officers probing possible probation violations. Also named was U.S.-based Morris Sadek, who has said he promoted the film that provoked outrage in the Muslim world.
Jones, who angered Muslims in 2010 by threatening to burn the Quran, also is accused for supporting the film.
The connection of the other five Copts accused in the case, who were not identified, to the film was unclear.
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The public prosecutor said in a statement that convictions could be punishable by death and called for the seven Copts and Jones to be handed over to Egypt. The statement did not say in which the countries the Copts were.
A judicial source said two Egyptian lawyers had raised the suit with the public prosecutor, who referred the case to a criminal court on Tuesday. The court will set a date for the trial, the source added.
Anger at the film has stretched across the Middle East, Asia and Africa. In several cities, protesters attacked U.S. embassies, blaming America for the video. In Egypt, protesters clambered over the embassy wall in Cairo and tore down the U.S. flag, and clashed with police in streets nearby for four days.
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For many Muslims, any depiction of the Prophet Muhammad is blasphemy, let alone one deemed insulting. The crude film portrayed the Prophet as a womanizer, thug and child molester. Clips circulated on the Internet for weeks.
At the consulate where four Americans died security consisted of one U.S. regional security officer and a local militia. Ambassador Chris Stevens often had little personal security detail. NBC's Lisa Myers reports.
The U.S. government has called the film disgusting and reprehensible, but said it could not act against it as that would violate freedom of expression. Egypt has urged Washington to take legal steps against those insulting religion.
Why films and cartoons of Muhammad spark violence
Sadek, who heads a group called the National American Coptic Assembly, told Reuters last week that he promoted the film to highlight discrimination toward Copts in Egypt, a reference to some opening scenes of the film about that issue.
Speaking from the United States, he also said he was sorry about the death of the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans in Libya in an assault on the Benghazi consulate, but added anyone who objected to the film should do so peacefully.
The seven Copts and Jones will also be tried over accusations they sought to divide Egypt, where about 10 percent of the 83 million population is Christian.
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Christians in the country have long complained about discrimination in the workplace and laws such as those that make it harder to build a church than a mosque. Egypt's new Islamist president, Mohamed Mursi, has pledged to treat all Egyptians fairly.
Egypt's Coptic Orthodox church condemned insults to Islam and condemned some Copts abroad who they say financed the film.
Highlighting how Egypt's judiciary deals with such cases, a Copt in the Sohag region south of Cairo was jailed for six years on Tuesday, three of them for insulting the prophet and Islam, the state news agency reported.
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Bishoi Kameel, an English teacher, was convicted for publishing pictures deemed offensive to the prophet on Facebook. He was also convicted and sentenced for insulting the president and another citizen.
Reuters contributed to this report.
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Re-elect Obama and watch this problem get worse and worse...
Yes, because Obama produced, shot, and edited the video...
Just stick to the story please.
Good luck with ever trying to come to the USA to get them. Matter a fact I am putting arrest warrants on those who believe in this pig named Mohammed that seem to drive people into savages.
I just don't get it. Why would Coptic Christians want to make a film insulting the beautiful Islam, a religion of love, peace and understanding.
Really? Beautiful Islam? Look at the images of the so called demonstrators, terrorists, etc. that will kill in the name of Muhammed, the so called prophet. Prophet of what exactly? Death, Virgins, Suicide, Terrorism??? This Muhammed seems to be such a wonderful example. This is why I can't stand religion in any shape or form, too many nutjobs believe this fairy tale nonsense. All it amounts to is hate and bloodshed.
Don't worry latekate, imjustjoshinya had the same angry reaction to a post below. The rest of us got your post. He joshes, but sarcasm escapes him.
Xabre, Obama told us all when he took office that he would change our foreign policy worldwide. His first attempt toward that end began on his apology tour to Egypt of all places. That's a fact only Obama supporters suddenly have forgotten. When will this President be called on his failed policies?
Amazing....
Desecration of the Prophet on a HEADBAND in the VERY FIRST PICTURE in this article.
Issue an arrest warrant for that guy, then a court may decide to stone him.
Send the SofS or the U.N. Ambassador to Cairo to "talk peace".
I guess all pretenses of maintaining a secular and impartial judiciary in Egypt are gone. Egypt has now completed it's transformation to an Islamic Republic. Thank you Obama for helping take down Mubarak and undermine what was the most stable and secular government in the Arab world. How is that Arab Spring you were touting working out for you now. Obama has done more in three years to help the Islamists take control of the Middle East than any Islamist had been able to achieve in over a hundred years. Next will be Egypt's abrogation of the peace treaty with Israel. Obama has done massive damage to the stability of the Middle East.
lol yea right egypt...
Hey TFNJ I voted up your XBOX comment cut me some slack lol. If she was being tongue in cheek then so be it and shame on me for not noticing. This whole Muhammed thing and the religious fanatics that are all over this world really freak me out. It makes me despise religion and I would like to believe there is a higher power, but man with all the violence and whatnot that comes with following a God or Prophet and the fact that each religion seems to belittle each other for difference of opinion and beliefs it just makes me say forget it all religion is a joke.
I'm just glad there is an article about the imminent danger in the Middle East, instead of the shock for a politician who said a true statement. A foreign country is now trying to deny someone's right to free speech, because of the offense to a religion. Which would mean that this country does not believe in free speech and religious freedom. Yet our government can't seem to decide whether they are an ally or not as they send the latest check of converted Chinese funds.
josh I would never defend Islam but you're new here so I will forgive you this time.
O'BEE k' NOBEE is one of them, ... uno-it-2.
If I recall correctly it was the Muslim Brotherhood and the Egyptian government that was calling for people to take to the streets in response to the movie. I'm sure the court will not issue any arrest warrants on their behalf for their part in promoting the sectarian strife.
Perhaps Vice President Biden can go there and explain.
the movie has nothing to do with the riots it is a ploy by the islamist to get the blasphemy law passed in the u.n. to bring a little sharia law to America
Ever notice that all the places that are rioting are complete $hitholes? Their standard of living is directly connected to their beliefs and rulers.
And yet they try to blow smoke up everyone's @ss and have them believe they are pissed about this movie. Naa
Naa, just sucks to be you, living in sandpits and crumbling cities.
latekate....you could put (sarcasm) << like this at the end of your post, as most readers do...we all know there are people who would say what you did in complete sincerity so make yourself clear when you post.
If the film wasn't made in Egypt then they have no legal grounds to prosecute. No other country claims that their judicial process extends to crimes committed off of their soil.
.... but then again I am not coming into this debate thinking that these people are operating under realistic standards.
From the article:
HIs "promotion" was peanuts compared to what the following Egyptian Tel-Islamist did in spreading the images all over Egypt and the Arab World: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/9545515/Middle-East-protests-meet-the-hardline-tele-Islamist-who-brought-anti-Islam-film-to-Muslim-worlds-attention.html
Figures that the American press would show no interest in how that silly little utube video got plastered in front of the Arab world. It took a British newspaper to dig into it more and uncover the UGLY face behind whipping up backward, ignorant Islamists into rioting, murdering mobs.
From the article:
HIs "promotion" was peanuts compared to what the following Egyptian Tel-Islamist did in spreading the images all over Egypt and the Arab World: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/9545515/Middle-East-protests-meet-the-hardline-tele-Islamist-who-brought-anti-Islam-film-to-Muslim-worlds-attention.html
Figures that the American press would show no interest in how that silly little utube video got plastered in front of the Arab world. It took a British newspaper to dig into it more and uncover the UGLY face behind whipping up backward, ignorant Islamists into rioting, murdering mobs.
From the responses, I'm guessing christians are mad because they can't burn people at the stake any more. Actually, it's kinda what this election is about. 47% are already marked for the fires in mitten's plan. When not burning those who believe differently that he does, he'll be sacrificing the blood of our youth in wars to appease his base and his god of anger, vengeance, and obscene wealth.
"What's so wrong with Love, Peace and Understanding?"
Much Love n Peace,
Da Pup
>:o):
Dude I see your the first to bring US politics into the discussion, your an A$$hole
Egypt lives off our food. Screw them!
How about the U.S. issue an arrest warrant for the Muslim cleric in Pakistan who framed that Christian girl with Downs Syndrome. That would be fair. There is about the same chance of that happening as Egypt getting their hands on Jones, and I thoroughly detest that so called holy man/pastor!
Batshyt crazy countries :
Egypt....check!
The Islamists worldwide, who are Protesting are in fact, protesting their own government. Yes, "Death to America" is one darn lame excuse. We have not repsonded to their tirades, and violence. Our Ambassador to Libya, and 4 others were just killed; it will mushroom very fast into other Embassies, or other American places in the land of violence.
The Islamists are miserable people; live in squalor, while the heads of State, the Sheiks, the Muslim Brotherhood kill them at any moment for nothing, stashing their pockets with our Money for Aid. The Leaders or Warlords are living in luxury, while the citizens are dying of slaughter, and have nothing else to do.
They are so stupid as to literally believe the writings of the KORAN and Mohammed. Tribal minds, mean tribal wars. Almost 30 countries are catching the "I Hate America" flu---
The US must take a stance and verbally put them in their place, letting them know that they can not manipulate us into submission, of which they already have by pandering to their wants.
They want a disciplined Leader who tells them "No", and the biggest worry is Nuclear Weapons will get in their dirty hands.
Iran must be stopped, from infiltrating into these countries, stirring up trouble with the mindless people. What do our Intelligence Agencies know? Did they know about the pre plan of the Libyan attack, thinking it would never happen?
The Muslim/Islam Religion is the largest in the World. Watch further Protests catch on in Somalia, Serbia, Croatia, and all other Muslim countries that are not on the list.
Obama has his hands full, along with Hillary Rodham Clinton.
What is the Answer?---It is out of Control, and soon will be landing on the United States doorstep with another major Terrorist Attack (hopefully not), or from the "Enemy from Within", following orders from Al-Qaeda, or other splinter Groups.
We should be worried.
They really don't understand freedom of speech in the Middle East, do they? The idea citizens can legally act outside or even against their govt's wishes is a foreign concept to them. I suppose the idea religion can be a subset of life and not the totality of it must blow their minds completely.
AG, they also seem to have absolutely no concept of loyal dissent...which is why Romney really should not have been criticizing the commander-in-chief.
They're theocracies AG99. You blaspheme and you go to jail. It's why we hear about someone being arrested in Pakistan or Kuwait every other week for saying bad things about their prophet on Twitter.
Certainly not. I imagine the picture of the guy with the 'My Life for Muhammad' headband effectively illustrates that.
@Cassandra.... "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else." -Theodore Roosevelt
You are absolutely correct - their religion is there life. They truly don't understand what true freedom is and why we cherish it like we do. Yes - freedom of speak is protected even for those that say hurtful and disgusting things.
So thankful I live in this great nation!
My life for my XBOX
Sal ... a president shouldn't be immune to criticism. But, at the same time, when there is a foreign crisis brewing, the president should be given deference in the matter. It isn't as if Romney had anything constructive to add to the situation ... he was just taking pot shots.
Barry, keep drinking the kool-aid. Did the other side keep quiet during GW Bush's term. No, I didn't think so because as an Independent, I was on the other side listening to Repubs say the same thing you just did. There is no time table for when a US Citizen should be permitted to speak their mind. And as a nominee for the office, Romney is now receiving security briefings just as Obama is. It is certainly his place to speak out. Deal with it. You just don't like it because he took Obama to task on his incompetent and amateurish reaction (or lack thereof).
Sal ... can you name a time when GWB was contradicted and criticized while a crisis was unfolding? As the dust was still settling from the twin towers, did the Democrats start blasting the president? No. During a crisis, this country needs to speak with ONE voice. As a former CEO and governor, I'm sure that Romney understands that, which makes his actions even more baffling. There's plenty of time to criticize the next day or the next week after the immediate crisis has passed.
Off with their heads for insulting the prophet, according to Muslim law.
AG990, >>>??? WHAT minds are you talking about??? NO those are NOT brains rolling around in their heddz, they are just the "Loose Marbles".
ISLAMISTS THREATEN TO EXTERMINATE EGYPT'S 10 MILLION COPTIC CHRISTIANS OVER FILM
The Christians of Egypt were the largest group of Christians in the world, 300 years before the birth of Mohammad.
In July of 2012, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton denounced "both the Egyptian government's failure to curb rising violence against Coptic Christians and its involvement in violent attacks." Clinton, who visited Egypt in July, said she had had "a very emotional, very personal conversation with Christians who are deeply anxious about what the future holds for them and their country." Her talks did little to calm Coptic fears. Since the start of the Arab Spring, 200,000 Copts have fled Egypt and thousands more left after Clinton's visit.
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/331973/islamists-threaten-to-exterminate-egypts-10-million-coptic-christians-over-film-2/#zvS45vADSiDxcL9A.99
AG99 .... It is you who does not understand freedom of speech. Any speech or expression that could lead to a breach of peace or cause violence is not protected by the first amendment. With any freedom comes a responsibility when that freedom is exercised. The film maker was not acting in a responsible manner and that resulted in many deaths and untold violence.
The first amendment also guarantees freedom of religion, maybe you should read the text of the first amendment and do so with the help of someone who can explain it to you subjectively.
the Shia brand of Islam is the most controlling. Members are required to seek "guidance" from a religious mentor or mullah everyday on the choices they make in their lives. Talk about mind control. Muslim countries are not among the worlds most backward nations by accident. The attitude of "keep 'em barefoot and pregnant" applies to the entire population along with keeping them ignorant. Other wise these "holy" men would be out of work. People who are really secure in their beliefs do not need to "go postal" over something as insignificant as this amateur movie.
Voiceinmyhead: Did you even understand my post? Apparently not. Perhaps that voice in your head is distracting you.
My point was these people don't understand there's a difference between what a citizen is allowed to say and the official position of his government. They think our government must endorse this film or it wouldn't be allowed to be produced. They don't understand the concept of freedom of speech (or religion). And neither do you, to judge by your comment.
These radical people are insane maniacs. Out of control, blood thirsty thugs who hide behind a "theology" to justify their violence. This is criminal behavior, not normal, healthy, human behavior. They are not protests, they are riots and terrorist activity. They are like spoiled children having a tantrum, and our government is walking on eggshells trying to appease the little brats, afraid to stand up to them for fear of appearing "intolerant". Utter nonsense.
You see how aggressive and controlling this bunch is. They are not of the mind to compromise, agree, discuss, negotiate. We must not allow them to dictate to us to breach our laws and constitution just to "calm them down."
Again, for those of you wanting to tar and feather this film maker, remember that in the name of "art" as well as in a hateful spirit, many films and sculptures have defamed Christianity, and all we heard out there was how we should not censor this type of expression, no matter how inflammatory. BE CONSISTENT.
AG: They don't understand freedom of speech. And Obama and Clinton think the same way. I couldn't believe that a representative of our government was apologizing because we allow free speech. I suppose we could issue warrants against their government officials for issuing arrest warrants against US citizens for behaving in a perfectly legal way.
For the life of me I can't figure out why anyone thinks supporting these thugs is a good idea.
AG (and others) - solid Au comments. I love America, and I'm beginning to love Americans again now that I'm reminded we are not brainless twits (well, maybe some).
Dear Egypt,
GO and Fk Hallamela Allah, From now on and hence forth any Reference until you under stand and all nations under stand we Have paid in blood for our freedoms,
YOUR God Allah will be referred to as Allah-Mella-Halla
America !
Egypt asking Washington for help??? HAHAH yea Washington doesn't even listen to its own people....if they ever did listen to EGYPT its time for us Americans to march into Washington and protest against this crazy Government that keeps sympathizing with an enemy that has waged hate and intolerance for centuries.....GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS WASHINGTON!!!
From the article:
HIs "promotion" was peanuts compared to what the following Egyptian Tel-Islamist did in spreading the images all over Egypt and the Arab World: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/9545515/Middle-East-protests-meet-the-hardline-tele-Islamist-who-brought-anti-Islam-film-to-Muslim-worlds-attention.html
Figures that the American press would show no interest in how that silly little utube video got plastered in front of the Arab world. It took a British newspaper to dig into it more and uncover the UGLY face behind whipping up backward, ignorant Islamists into rioting, murdering mobs.
ULDog
the Shia brand of Islam is the most controlling. Members are required to seek "guidance" from a religious mentor or mullah everyday on the choices they make in their lives. Talk about mind control
Kinda reminds one of the republi-con party here in the states except their "mulahs" are the likes of Beck, Limbaugh, Trump, Palin, etc. I bet if the two groups, right wingnuts and Muslims, ever sat down together, shared a few brews, they'd find out there really isn't much differnece between them.
Well Wolf, I think that if religious extremists of any label gain control or undue influence in government (yes, I'm thinking of evangelicals here!) then we face our own homegrown version of the taliban. What could I possibly mean? When laws are passed that force the religious values of one group on the whole, what else would you call it?
Time to list Islam as a terrorist organization.
I have a bounty on Moo-ham-mud's head. It is 3 cents. Oink, Oink. That little blasphemer's time is up.
@Voiceinmyhead, it is you, who does not understand the limitations on the First Amendment. Just because Free Speech is not absolute, it is not limited just because it may incite these animals in the Middle East. This is why our government has not taken action, and I suspect they have legal experts, who know a bit more about the law than you do.
You are wrong that "any speech or expression that could lead to a breach of peace or cause violence is not protected by the first amendment." That is just not true. An example would be if I called you an a-hole (I am not, just calling you dead wrong). Clearly could breach the peace, and VERY CLEARLY legal and constitutional.
The movie was created not for fact just to upset and cause violence which it achieved it's intended purpose.
I think the people who created this movie are indeed guilty of intent to create violence.
I know about freedom of speech I think we should be more concerned about what the movie makers intentions were then it becomes more easy to see what they are guilty off.
As more people come out and tell what the movie makes intentions were I think if they can not find them guilty in a criminal court they could find them guilty in a civil court which is not perfect but might bring some peace to those who were damaged by this movie.
I didn't even know of the film's existence until the riots, the murders and the mayhem that resulted in the Muslim world. They have now made the movie part of the historic record. So I watched it.
Just as Theo Van Gogh's movie was largely true, so is this movie. The "innocence of muslims" is a statement that a Coptic makes about the incessant mob attacks on his culture, and the destruction of lives and properties. In the movie he doesn't blame the Muslims per se, but rather he blames the mental condition on the unspeakable influence of "X". The X symbolizes Mohammad. Then it goes on to portray the Mohammad in actions faithful to the recorded scripture in the Hadith. What is implied is that the modern islamist violence and actions are not due to extremism but are a result of following the imperatives and actions of the prophet himself.
In the scenes alluding to the justifications of Muslims to attack the Copts, Muhammad is seen murdering Kinnana and is about to rape Saffiyah, which he did in the Hadith. The genocide of her tribesmen and father are not shown in the movie.
In another scene his sycsophant followers vivisect Omm Qirfa by tying her legs to camels and ripping her into pieces. She was a woman critic of Muhammad. He kills or enslaves the members of her family and tribe which is not in the movie. The movie gives her a renewed voice.
Then there is the marriage to Aisha, a 6 year old who had no choice, but was sent away by her father Abu Bakr to be Muhammad's companion when he was 53.
Then there is a scene showing Muhammad and his followers as caravan raiders claiming that Allah gives them the right to kill subjugate or despoil unbelievers. These are imperatives that appear multiple times in the Koran and Hadith.
The glaring irony is that the actions of the muslims world wide CONFIRM the charges leveled in the movie. The deaths of diplomats, workers, and un-involved are exacly the sickness the film is pointing out.
The film makers, like the murdered Theo Van Gogh, made points that can no longer be ignored, even if it means a greater war. "GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH" was an appeal to the greater mind by Joseph Addison in his astonishing play Cato, and later was quoted by Patrick Henry in his famous speech. American and the west cannot compromise the protected rights of expression. Blasphemy laws are cruel, obsolete laws intended to offer undeserved protection for the tyranny of religious cult vanity.
Neither Hollywood nor the BBC had the courage to tackle the existential subject that these film makers did. Although the product was mediocre, and even laughably poor at times, and the stories are presented in a biased way, the production is a message against intolerant self serving violence and terror inherent in Islam since its inception. Stop the knee jerk condemnations and watch the movie. The Copts deserve a voice. They were once 100% of Egypts population now they are a mob-attacked minority of 10%. Mohammad's imperatives worked.
If the movie was so wrong, it should have been ignored. But instead it seems to reveal a vieled element of truth.
They are not guilty of anything, What part of freedom of speech and expression do you not understand.
According to your standards if I became upset about what you just wrote and I rioted,burned and murdered then you are guilty of inciting me.
Even trade Egypt - hand over those who damaged the U.S. Embassy & you can have back your Egyptian scum.
Why haven't the Egyptian courts issued arrest warrants for the rioters? One thing that separates the western societies from much of the rest of the world is the "Rule of Law". Third world countries believe in as much law as you can afford. Unfortunately, it seems that the U.S. is sinking in that direction.
The rioters were sanction by the Egyption government, the brotherhood.
You can surrender your own freedoms but you do not have a right to surrender anyone elses, Let me be perfectly clear, I do not agree with what the makers of this movie or Jones did but I will defend their right to do it with my life, Your intent at appeasement by handing someone over to a foreign country for an act of free speech that occurred in this country borders on treason.
Lost: what part of the movie did you not agree with? Mohammad's life is not really a "mystery", and movie with any ounce of realism would be seriously offensive to Muslims. According to one earlier post, the movie does not stray very far from what the Koran itself records about the "prophet".
Otherwise, I agree with your comment.
I'd love to hear some of Obama's speeches during his "Arab Spring tour" to compare with all the violence taking place in Egypt!!!!
"...will be tried by a criminal court on charges of insulting the Islamic religion, insulting the prophet and inciting sectarian strife," LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And we're trying to bring democracy to these nut jobs!!??????? I hope this video is on Netflix so i can put it at the top of my queue. Oh, and Muhammed sucks balls!!
Which shows you are no better than the people you are trying to insult.
No, which shows they can say anything they want about my God, and I can say anything I want about theirs - because this is a civilized free country and they are in a dictatorship cesspool of uneducated hypocrisy - a place where women must be covered and men are excused for raping and beating them when they step out of line. Trust me, I am way better than that.
Oh, you live in a world where dictators are elected and you're better than other people because you can get away with insulting others' faith. Just so long as we're clear.
Except your first idea was to come here and spout insults like a child back. Not the best indication of someone that is 'better than that'. A good person shows they are adult enough not to resort to their tactics.
ohlawd: Exactly.
The way many of these people practice Islam is an insult to Islam and they should all behead themselves.
I'm with you Mike. The people that pander to these lunatics will end up regretting it someday. Muhammed does suck balls. Man it feels great to type that. I'd love to burn some Korans just to make a radical Muslim cry. In all seriousness though I don't really condone being a stupid rock chucker from the Middle East and burning stuff but I do agree that Muhammed does suck balls.
Raise your hand if you thought a handful of years ago that Pakistan was our allies...
My point is we've been deceived over and over by various Muslim countries and we keep falling for it. Egypt is absolutely effing up here by going after these guys. It's too bad they can't control the radical idiots on their own.
Isolationism...maybe it's about time?
Jesus and Allah were both child molesters! I may or may not agree with this statement, but it is my right to say it, and no other country should be allowed to try someone for something that did not happen on their lands. What did happen, no matter how awful the film was, it is protected and not against the law in the U.S., freedom of expression, and speech.
imjustjoshinya: Thanks! I think you're one of the few intelligent folks on this board who read between the lines and understood my post.
Mike...another moron, read the first amendment, do so with an adult present so they can explain to you the responsibilities associated with those freedoms and their limitations.
These protestors are not worth the time of day. Hell let those pieces of sh*t issue an arrest warrant for all of us in the US of A as they believe were all responsible. Such a misguided bunch. There prophet was the lowest of the lows for righteousness sake but yet he is held in high esteem...I pity them probably more than anything else but at the same time why not just pull out and let them to themselves...We don't need to be there...They will do just fine eliminating and finding excuses to behead each other. There religion is built on lies because there sick prophet was the best of all liars. I could quote many bible verses identifying Islam as the fourth and final beast or the legs of iron in Nebuchadnezzar dream however you have heard it all before. All of these fanatical mudslimes will some day burn and roast in the lake of fire for all eternity...I guess they are so disillusioned that they don't know the truth when they hear it...
Voiceinmyhead......the biggest moron of all (probably those voices in your head). You sound like just the kind of "American" to succumb to a witchhunt like this. Not that I agree with any of it sometimes, but if the Westboro Baptist Church can picket military funerals I think anyone should be able to make a film about any religion even if it doesn't shine a good light on it. Nobody did anything wrong by making that film (in this country anyway), and it sickens me that anyone would think otherwise.
No longer Muhammad, he is now known as Alla-Mella-Halla.. till they get it.
That being free speech
Yeah, I have to side with Mike on this one. Not because I agree with what was said about Mohamed (I totally disagree with that part of it), but because any person claiming that God is so unhappy with a comment (that the speaker of it needs to die) should leave it up to God to recall that person. We all return to God anyway (imo), in fact I don't believe we ever leave.
In other words - does God suck balls? Go to God and ask - "Do you suck balls?" God might say "Hmm...watch this and tell me what you think". If you have a problem with God sucking God's balls (and, remember, you are part of God), then all you prove is that God displays 'being of two minds' everywhere in this creation.
Let's imagine that God put two little bits of God (each isolated in head of bone) side by side (and then a whole bunch of other bits). One day one bit says "God sucks balls". The other bit says "You've offended God and must be killed!" But the first bit says "I'm as much a part of God as you are and I can say whatever the hell I please!"
And here we are. By design. And it is tragically funny once you see it.
G-Dog........as long as the 2 bits are in America and protected by the 1st Amendment its funny!
this just can't be happening a foreign country is issuing arrest warrants for americans practicing thier 1st admendment rights?i guess that goes with the president of mexico trying to tell us we must restrict our 2nd admendment rights!!this is getting a little much!!!!
Ya I was thinking the same thing. I assume the arrest warrants are just formality - how could they extradite someone who is here legally and made a video in the U.S. that broke no laws?? You can say anything you want about anybody you want in this country and its protected by the 1st Amendment.
Um. Yeah. American laws have no direct jurisdiction in Egypt. The same way Egyptian arrest warrants have no direct jurisdiction in America. This is more of a matter of course and should Terry Jones ever set foot in Egypt, he's up @!$%# creek.
Extradition, while an option, is reserved for crimes even the 'home' country cannot abide by. This is unlikely to happen here.
I guess this is one way the Egyptians can show they understand the film was made by individuals and not sponsored by the US population/government in general?
And before people jump all over me, I am not condoning it, just trying to understand the rationale behind it.
Hey MzWheezer that's the point - we don't need to understand the rationale behind it. Those folks had the right to make the film - they didn't violate any laws. So we don't need to scratch our heads and try to understand what they did or why they did it, just like we don't need to do it with any other film that challenges things like our churches, politics, corruption, etc. Films like this get made every day that upset people. I would assume the film was made because many are sick and tired of being held prisoners by their religion - but again - it doesnt matter what I think - it doesn't matter what anyone thinks. The only thing we need to be concerned about is protecting these individuals based on their rights of free speech - assuming they are here legally and are citizens of this country.
Mike: Clearly you do not understand the 1st Amendment. Please seek advice:
YOU CAN NOT "say anything you want about anybody you want in this country and its protected by the 1st Amendment." NOT TRUE!!!
There are MANY restrictions on FREE SPEECH. Libel, Slander, Fighting Words, Treason, Terrorist Treats, etc.
Try again, too bad ignorance isn't against the 1st Amendment.
Education is power.
Shelly, you are correct, Mike and the posters who act as his advocate have no knowledge and post ignorant rants.
Let's invite the Egyptian government to come over here and arrest these people themselves, while I absolutely detest the actions of this Brother Jones and the scum who created and disseminated that 'hate film,' I'll still stand to defend the rights of American's who abide by our rules of law. This could be a great opportunity for average Americans, who live with our Constitutional protections, to demonstrate to the Brotherhood exactly what we mean by 'protecting' our rights.
And, about the young inspiration to all of mankind wearing the 'My life for Muhammad' headband, perhaps we should invite all of the people who believe this way, to assemble in a staging area where we might assist them with transportation to their 'paradise.'
The government of Islam is the Quran and, just like those who live by the sword, if you live by the Quran, you could be pretty damn certain you will die by the Quran.
The German Evangelical Alliance kicked Jones out in 2008 citing theological lies and Jone's attention seeking disorder. Well Jones has attention now.
Shelly: Yes, you are correct. So enlighten me, can you tell me what 1st Amendment laws this film violates please?
Seattle Sunshine: I couldn't have said it better myself. "This could be a great opportunity for average Americans, who live with our Constitutional protections, to demonstrate to the Brotherhood exactly what we mean by 'protecting' our rights."
btw shelly/voice: You people sicken me who tout "America, land of the free home of the brave" and then turn on a dime and disregard the Constitution because you're so busy cowaring under a rock when you should be fighting for our RIGHTS on this issue - no, not the filmmakers, I don't give a S H I T about them and am hardly an advocate, but I understand what our Constitution was meant to protect and you people use it as a beacon of truth one day and toilet paper the next.
.....and I want your answer to my question Shelly so hurry up with that.
Mike Alla-Halla-Mella , what is it your asking your question is a rambling of words ??
"Shelly: Yes, you are correct. So enlighten me, can you tell me what 1st Amendment laws this film violates please?"
Mike: You crack me up. How much extra time do you have on your hands?
What is really funny is I agree with just about everything you have said except the one statement. Free speech has limitations.
I would have responded sooner, but I wanted to see how many sheep would follow you, making blind assumptions without reading what I wrote. No facts, just jumping to conclusions based on your ongoing posting and reposting.
Now I have my answers.
1. You are a troll.
2. There are a lot of sheep that will believe anything they read regardless of the facts.
3. You have issues if you think people HAVE to respond to your posts. Feel entitled much?
4. I agree that those who killed our people and think they have jurisdiction here are not rational and have no business telling us how to live in this country.
5. There are limits on the 1st Amendment, know your Constitution (what it really says, not what some troll says). AND NO I NEVER SAID ANYONE VIOLATED ANY PART OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT DID I?
MIKE: ONE MORE THING. I am a retired Vet, hiding under a rock??? You are a troll and your rantings prove you have serious issues.
I don't think even Obama would appease those warrants...
Shelly........Agreed the 1st Amendments has limitations. When you babble insults, you lose credibility I am a Vet that had enough after 4 years, there are Vets that would hide under a rock. That being said, Thanks for your service!
Can we offer them the members of the Westboro Baptist Church as a token of friendship?
IF only we could! Talk about a bunch of whackos!
And they can have Terry Jones too!
And when one of you says something that offends them should we give them you also.
I do not condone anything that these individuals have said but I will fight for their right to say it.
And I would laugh at their beheading. I guess that's what separates you from me.
What separates me from you is even though I do not agree with what they or you say I would not turn you over to some extremist simply because they did not like what you have said.
Will you be laughing when you are attending you own beheading because someone feels the same way about what you have said.
Only a fool relinquishess their freedom because of fear
Glad I live in the USA!!
Arrest this, I dare you.
Lets extradite them immediately and see the fair and just treatment they will receive at the hands of the Muslim community.
What the hell, there is no way we turn them over to Egypt where they can be murdered for exercising their right to free speech? Religion sucks...If our Government allows this I will be shocked. How about get our man Bowe Berghdahl back and leave the rathole that is the middle east once and for all and quite catering to these stone age imbeciles over there?
i dont think any "right wing nut" would let that happen let alone most dems either.
Well now aah dunno fer shore bout whether OBEE might jus give'um to them or not. Seems like I remember HIM by-passing the Senate & Congress in order to send'um all almostttt one BILLION dollars - - - Ooh but wait now, >>> thaa $$$$ wuz to rebuild their Mosques all accross Ishaallamikk nations, wasn't it ! <> THEREFORE tell me WHY he wud not extradite them to his mhoozilahim Bruthurs??? Yesss? and yur answer for thaa 64thousand dollars izzzzz?????
Turning them over to Egypt is exactly what I would do and no less than they deserve.
Voiceinmyhead you have been watching CNN and msnbc for too long...your mind is clouded over and you are in a possessed mainstream media dream state...In my book both Terry Jones and the producer of this Innocence of Muslims movie are courageous heroes and deserve a medal of honor... who cares if these worthless pieces of flesh become all pissy over a movie and book burning that exposes the truth about their sick and deviant religion...I wish there were a whole lot more in this country to do the same instead of appeasing there sorry asses which is what Odumbo is doing...
That is why you are not and probably never be anyone of any importance, You would sacrifice the right of free speech because it offended someone in another country, lets see...I seem them trampeling all ove signs with depictions of President Obama on them shouting OBama Obama We are Osama...Should we turn President Obama over to them as it appears he has insulted them.
You are free to surrender your freedoms but you are not free to surrender mine or anyone elses.
Glad the Christians don't go after every poorly homemade video of the "Birth of Christ", "Crucifixion of Christ", & "Resurrection of Christ" - no one would be left to celebrate Christmas & Easter!
Has Egypt arrested those responsible for attacking and damaging our embassy?
Joe, >>> SHhhhhhh, be quiet or yu'll wake'um up again. They bin sleeping long-side'a Rip Van Winkle for lott'sa years uno. So long (beards-n-hair) they even kinda lookz like' im.
Some countries have a evil dictator for a reason. Savages can not handle a democracy. Why do you think NATO or the UN has not helped overthrow the Syrian government.
This is a war of ideas, as well as; a WAR. Time to quietly assess our options and not beat our chests in anger. We should continue with the drones, without telling everyone who we are after or who we killed. No time for political points. United we stand. Can you see the ground rush yet? This is a free-fall. How far are you people willing to retreat?
I admit I didn't read the entire article, because all I can say is F*** YOU! If arrests are in order for insulting your religion, then be sure to arrest those who put the crucifix in a urine filled jar! Put on your big boy turbans, and learn that the whole world doesn't live by your radical ideals, nor do we kowtow to your threats! WAKE UP OBAMA, will you back their call to TURN OVER U.S. CITIZENS or will you FINALLY uphold the Constitution and DEFEND them?
You had me until "wake up Obama" - then it fell apart.
I could tell by the bold large font that it wouldn't be worth reading, so I skipped to mike's post and saw my suspicion was correct.
Why did it fall apart at Wake Up Obama Mike? He is right, the POTUS needs to wake up and grow some balls and tell Egypt the can kiss his ass and start fining these stone age countries rather than pandering to them.
This whole arrest warrant thing literally just happened within the last 24 hours. I'm guessing that, as president of the United States, Obama is too busy to waste his time "getting tough" in some TV speech about a ridiculous thing like this.
There are a lot of silly things that happen throughout the world. Do you expect Obama to respond to everything? That's just stupid.
I have no idea why my type came out bold, but if you're not outraged at these current events, you're really just not paying attention. Oh and WA-Moscow....too busy doing what, hanging with Beyonce and JayZ, or going on Letterman? Get real...YES, we expect him to respond to someone calling for the death of US Citizens!
O'BOY - SAL, You kinda remind me of ol, Givv'um Hell-Harrsy-s.Truman!!! & & & YESSSSS I like that a lot! YES I SURE DO!!!
WE don't need ANY more JAKKKKKASSEZ like them coming up w/912's !!!
These people have been condemned by their own actions. There is no defense for their actions hiding in the first amendment.
Speak the true words of Alla-Mella-Halla , let them know that from now on , they will see our FREEDOM of SPEECH !
Actually, Sal, what I think Obama wants to do is actually give the filmmaker to the Egyptians - if he can figure out how to do that without losing the election.
The sad thing is, half of the liberals on these blogs would cheer his treason on.
I condemn you for trying to restrict free speech in my country and I sentence you to return to egypt...Oh thats right...silly me you already are in egypt...haw are ya muhammed
Egypt is also demanding the release of the blind cleric that was behind the 1993 WTC bombings and the Obama administration is contemplating that action
Tell you what Egypt, you turn over the scum that burned our embassy and murdered our ambassador and we'll turn over Reverend nut case Jones. That's a fair deal. Other than that, good luck with your case.
wrong country..
lol i find it ironic the GOP is talking about free speech, when they went out of their way to try and get certain rappers music (2 live crew, Tupac, etc) banned themselves! They even tried to have tupac charged for murder because some dumb kid shot a cop and claimed he was listening to a track of his. (and theres video of the interview the DOJ did with tupac while he was in Rikers waiting for the rape trial on youtube..hilarious!)
Tupac...hahahaha I believe in free speech but I can still think if there were no Tupac, Biggie, Eminem, etc..we might be in a little better place.
This just goes to prove you can not buy your friends as has been seen with the whole middle east up in arms ready to kill Americans for the action of one not even born here. So with that said based on the action of a couple dozen middle easterns that came to our country and flew planes into our building should we have not turned the middle east into nothing but a large sand box? at least we would not be dealing with this BS against us --- cut off the money and get out
I guess being anti-Islam is a crime in Egypt.
Being Anti Islam is a crime anywhere on Earth, especially in countries where it controls the governments. Death is the punishment for sin and to speak against Islam is a sin.
Here is a reality check.
Do you enjoy your freedoms especially the freedom of Speech? Would you Die to keep your freedoms?
Did you catch the picture of the Boomba that was wearing the really cool headband? It is not for show, it is a very real statement. 9/11 was a test of our resolve. We had a president then who declared war on the enemies of America, and the one we have now spends all of his time either apologising or send them money as if friendship can be bought.
Barry reminds me of the frog that gave the Scorpion a ride on his back. The frog was surprised he was bitten even though he showed the scorpion kindness. The scorpion said as the Frog was dying from the sting, "You knew I was a scorpion before you gave me a ride."
The religion of peace: Qu'ran- Sura's
9:5. Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun {unbelievers} wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat {the Islamic ritual prayers}), and give Zakat {alms}, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is
All-Seer of what they do.
8:67. It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allah desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.
9:29. Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
9:33. It is He {Allah} Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it).
A little love from allah.
Lazarus
OOooooh Noooo Larry, Muuhummmuddizm izz a rheelidgeun of Peace yuno! Jus ask ANYbuddy who their Sikk Savior Mhoohummuddy wurshippz, & why he izz such a pedophile, womanizer, murderous thief, etc.
Honor "KILLERZ" = ALL Mhoozzellizzumz.
Larry-5534379:
Here is your reality check Lazarus!
Mathew 10:34 “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Mathew 10:35 “For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.”
Mathew 10:36 “And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.”
Mathew 10:37 “He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.”
Isaiah 13:15-18 "Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.
Jeremiah 15: 1-4: Then the LORD said to me: "Even if Moses and Samuel were to stand before me, my heart would not go out to this people. Send them away from my presence! Let them go! 2 And if they ask you, 'Where shall we go?' tell them, 'This is what the LORD says:
" 'Those destined for death, to death;
those for the sword, to the sword;
those for starvation, to starvation;
those for captivity, to captivity.'
3 "I will send four kinds of destroyers against them," declares the LORD, "the sword to kill and the dogs to drag away and the birds of the air and the beasts of the earth to devour and destroy. 4 I will make them abhorrent to all the kingdoms of the earth because of what Manasseh son of Hezekiah king of Judah did in Jerusalem.
Deuteronomy 20: 10-14: make10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies.
I guess that is were we got the 19th century chart topping hit, "onward Christian soldiers marching as to war with the cross of Jesus..."
Compliments of the Bible... pretty peaceful, huh?
"Bring It !! "
How about an arrest warrant for Mohamed for being a child molester? Remember the admitted 12 or 13 year old wife he had?What is the matter with these people? We really need to close the USA to anymore Muslims this is getting to stupid. They want freedom but not true freedom. Freedom their way does not work for me.
She was six when he married her although he claimed that he did not consume the marriage until she was nine!
While he waited for her to "mature" to 9, he was probably doing a mule like that Iraqi guy in that video on Youtube.
The religion of peace: Qu'ran- Sura's
9:5. Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun {unbelievers} wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat {the Islamic ritual prayers}), and give Zakat {alms}, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is
All-Seer of what they do.
8:67. It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allah desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.
9:29. Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
9:33. It is He {Allah} Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it).
A little love from allah.
Lazarus
To be fair, every old religion is like this. Proverbs (a book in the Bible) tells people that give into gluttony should take a knife to their neck.
It's true that the Bible has gruesome, barbaric passages. But how many contemporary mostly-Christian societies behave like the Islamic world? How many Christian groups are running around kidnapping, torturing, beheading, and just plain killing people? How many Christian groups commit acts of terror? How many Christian societies go into a frenzy and call for the killing of other people? Other than America, I can't think of any.
Nazi Germany, Yugoslavia (slaughtered Muslims in Bosnia), etc.
the Nazi's believed in eugenics and evolution of the human race through genocide.
Maybe someday soon the majority will realize religion is just a tool to try to keep us in line and that it has spread far more violence and damage than good. I mean in this day and age these businesses, I mean Churches, are still robbing their followers blind. It's disgraceful and too bad so many people have the sheep mentality.
If my Momma said so it must be true.
Go to the Internet and Google "Executions". You will see how the love of Allah translates into modern society.
You will not see christians executing anyone for many reasons. The first and foremost is that society deposed the Divine powers of the Pope so killing people in the name of a Christian God became very risky business. Many wars were fought to prevent this from ever happening again. The Pope Pious supported Hitler, and if the Germans would have won, we would no doubt be facing similar things as with Islam, but Germany lost and freedom won. Otherwise,all of the other abuses of Christians and others is ancient history.
The fact that Islam is the fastest growing religion today is a serious thing given the means they are expanding. Conquer, convert or die. Look at the Arab Spring and see who gained control of Egypt and others and see how they immediately went fanatical. Google the news agencies from around the world including the middle Eastern countries and see how Christians and others are being murdered for the sake of Allah.The only reason there is some sort of hesitancy on the part of Muslims is the US and Israel would pounce on them. Otherwise I would expect a literal blood bath.
Lazarus
There is little reason to believe there is any sort of hesitancy on the part of Muslims. Look around a bit more Laz.... there is a literal blood bath out there. In many places around the world Muslims are killing un-believers in the name of Allah every day. What went on in Sydney, OZ, last week-end, with the Muslim rioters attempting to kill Sydney police, is just a new example of how it is creeping into the western world. We've seen it a number of times already in America, some successful and some thwarted but, the Muslims in the free world are pushing their luck pretty hard now-a-days; at some point, Muslims in this country may, again, go a step too far and may not be able to undo the wrath of pissed off and fed up Americans.
United States Army against native Americans.
How come you didn't quote verse 9.6, the verse immediately after verse 9.5, perhaps because if you did your entire argument would fall apart? Here, let me remind you.
"And if any of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection [...]" [Qur'an 9.6]
Also, did God command the Muslims to fight any and all disbelievers or just the ones who were actively pursuing, fighting, and persecuting the Muslims? It doesn't seem like you understand the context the verses were revealed in or you're just being willfully ignorant. If God commanded Muslims to kill all non-believers, why did Muhammad live peacefully with Jews, Christians, and Pagans, and how does the Constitution of Medina fit in? Also, why did he have a Jewish and a Christian wife?
Egypt is the most populous country in the Middle East: 80 Million 10% are Christians; there are 2000 churches.
If the overwhelming Muslim population was motivated by hate and forced conversions, there would be no Christians left in Egypt.
Larry-5534379:
Here is your reality check Lazarus!
Mathew 10:34 “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Mathew 10:35 “For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.”
Mathew 10:36 “And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.”
Mathew 10:37 “He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.”
Isaiah 13:15-18 "Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.
Jeremiah 15: 1-4: Then the LORD said to me: "Even if Moses and Samuel were to stand before me, my heart would not go out to this people. Send them away from my presence! Let them go! 2 And if they ask you, 'Where shall we go?' tell them, 'This is what the LORD says:
" 'Those destined for death, to death;
those for the sword, to the sword;
those for starvation, to starvation;
those for captivity, to captivity.'
3 "I will send four kinds of destroyers against them," declares the LORD, "the sword to kill and the dogs to drag away and the birds of the air and the beasts of the earth to devour and destroy. 4 I will make them abhorrent to all the kingdoms of the earth because of what Manasseh son of Hezekiah king of Judah did in Jerusalem.
Deuteronomy 20: 10-14: make10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies.
I guess that is were we got the 19th century chart topping hit, "onward Christian soldiers marching as to war with the cross of Jesus..."
Compliments of the Bible... pretty peaceful, huh?
Egypt does not have the legal right to condemn any u.s citizen to death over a movie. Egypt should prepare itself for war if it ever believes it can go after u.s civilians.
Actually most of those are Egyptians, and it doesn't say if they are American citizens or not. Hmm, if they aren't, they better apply for citizenship or asylum really quick.
It is all for domestic consumption. If we really want to put the fanatics in their place, ignore them. Getting angry with them just dignifies their position.
Barry,
You sound like you are speaking about the boogie man hiding under your bed. Read some history and you will see this boogie man does not go away. Did you read where the 18 people were beheaded for listening to music? Does that sound like a thing that will go away if we ignore it?
Are you capable of abstract thought? Imagine what terror these people were in as they were having their necks chopped on with machettes. Are you willing to allow your neck to be next?
Lazarus
That may be true in the U.S. but under Islamic Law "the penalties for blasphemy can include fines, imprisonment, flogging, amputation, hanging, or beheading."
Source: 'Islam and blasphemy' in Wikipedia
For some reason, I am unable to post a direct link to the article.
Student: Talk is cheap, when are you signing up?
How soon before the fanatics start killing Egyptian Copts, guarantee it will start sooner rather than later, this despicable video has almost ensured Coptic residents will pay and pay dearly.
Good luck extraditing film producers, will never happen rightfully so. Muslims living in the middle east haven't a clue what Freedom of Speech is or Freedom of Religion, they've never experienced it and probably won't anytime soon. Those concepts are alien to the mind set. No easy solution. We have to deal with Egypt and the democratically elected MBH no way around it.
Terry Jones probably should go into hiding. Talk about an easy target for a hate crime. He may need to pull a Salman Rushdie.
You can say what ever you want for the most part and get away with it, but sometimes you may want to be careful who you offend.
he's gonna need some nun bodyguards.
True, never purposely insult (offend) a fudamentalist Muslim. Or their dead prophet. It will always lead to hatred and violence. It's time to stop these fundamentalist terrorists from bullying the rest of the world. They don't even practice the teachings of the religion they supposedly fight for. They are noting but terrorists in disguise looking for any reason to kill innocent people. If they get offended by others' speech and expression, they need to go live in a cave where they will be isolated from perceived insults. The world has no place for terrorism hiding under Mohammed's robe! The only people who need to be arrested are those responsible for the deaths of American diplomatic personnel. I don't agree with Terry Jones. He is in the same class as these fundamentalist terrorists. But he did nothing to insult their dead prophet. The teacher is dead and has no feelings.
Is there any difference between this movie and a ethnic/racial slur. Don't we all condemn the racist Nazis, KKK, and Skinheads who use racial slurs against Jews and Blacks to insult and incite?
They have a 1st Amendment right to spew hate, and all good Americans have the right to condemn hateful provocation.
Does that mean you will no longer use "the protocols of the elder of Zion" as a source. As you did recently on a seed of mine?
kpr37:
I wasn't able to link as that time; there are enough pedophilia verses in the Babylonian Talmud that I could present to you... would you like some?
and do you disagree with the above post?