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Updated at 7:53 a.m. ET: CAIRO — It's been just over a week since hundreds, perhaps a thousand, angry and offended Egyptians gathered outside the U.S. Embassy's gates in Cairo. They carried Islamist banners and chanted, "The only God is God and Muhammad is his Prophet."
At one point perhaps two dozen of the more brazen protesters scaled the wall and breached the embassy grounds. They lowered and destroyed the U.S. flag and raised a black, Islamic flag in its place. They fled when security guards (not the Egyptian police) fired warning shots over their heads.
This amounted to little violence, but the act itself was the psychological equivalent of taking a beachhead. Within hours reports emerged that a similarly sized group had stormed the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya. Some were calling it a copycat protest, but it was much more perilous: Four Americans were killed in the melee, including the U.S. ambassador.
Within 48 hours the world would witness angry protests unfolding at U.S. embassies, businesses and symbols of power in more than 20 countries.
Protesters scaled the walls of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and pulled down the American flag during a protest over what they said was a film produced in the United States that insulted the Prophet Muhammad. NBC's Richard Engel reports.
This paroxysm of protest — and violence — had begun in Cairo. But what, really, began there?
Much of the mainstream media has played it as a spontaneous reaction to a disgusting film clip which denigrated Muslims and happened to be made and promoted in the USA.
But New York Times editorialist Ross Douthat argued it had nothing to do with a "genuine popular backlash," but everything to do with old-style power politics. For Jim Clifton, chairman of the pollster Gallup, it wasn't about religion or politics, but rather the desperate expression of young Arab males, deeply humiliated because they couldn't find jobs.
'Political manipulation'
Egyptian analysts seem to be more in agreement: Many protesters outside the U.S. Embassy were genuinely offended by the film. But the real driving force behind the protest — in Cairo and Benghazi — were radical Islamist groups who know how to exploit rage for political gain.
Actors and the assistant director of the film "Innocence of Muslims" told NBC News that the original spoken lines in the screenplay were dubbed over without their knowledge. NBC's Mike Taibbi reports.
"There are still a lot of questions that need to be answered," said Mona Eltahawy, an Egyptian journalist. "For instance, why after two months of being on YouTube did this film suddenly explode on the anniversary of 9/11? That is political manipulation and manufactured outrage that the right wing is all too happy to use.''
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By "right-wing" Eltahawy means ultra conservatives – often called Salafists – who practice a strict, puritanical form of Islam and make up the fastest-growing Islamic political and social movement in the world. On the night of the Cairo embassy attacks, the Salafists saw an opportunity to flex their muscles.
"A lot of people went to the U.S. Embassy not just because of the film, and after the film died down, it wasn't about the film anymore," Eltahawy explained. "They went because of anti-U.S. sentiment, because they know in this region how easy it is to fan the flames of anger."
French officials are preparing for a potential violent backlash as a satirical magazine defends its decision to publish cartoons mocking the Prophet Muhammad. NBC's Michelle Kosinski reports.
Dr. Gamal Abdel Gawad, a highly respected Egyptian political analyst, agrees.
"I don't think it was spontaneous," he told NBC News. "People were gathering in one place at a certain time of day, so there was some mobilization behind it.''
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And it's clear to Gawad who did the mobilizing. "Radical Salafist groups orchestrated it to express their views and embarrass the [more moderate] Muslim Brotherhood because of competition between Islamic groups."
Post Arab-Spring power play
What's enfolding in Egypt – and to a large extent in Libya — is not just a series of isolated power plays. In both countries the leaders who emerged from the Arab Spring are struggling to eke out a political center in order to govern their new democracies, while under extreme pressure from more radical Islamist — sometimes jihadist — forces. Everything is still at stake.
This has led some Egyptians — like Eltahawy — to worry that their 18-month-old revolution will be hijacked by the extremists.
"I'm hoping that this right-wing drive of the past days is the dying pangs of a group that understands that the revolution was started by us, the majority, and we remain very much the majority."
Crowds of angry protesters showed up in Kabul, Afghanistan and Jakarta, Indonesia. The violent uprising followed a deadly weekend marking the deaths of eight International Security Assistance Force members. NBC's Atia Abawi reports.
Gawad is more sanguine about the future. "The revolution is over. The president is in power, and Egyptian political parties are busy preparing for elections and campaigns. The radical groups can't get significant numbers elected," he said. Still, as dramatic scenes over the past week have shown, those groups — often armed — can wreak havoc.
Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi seemed to give ground to the Salafists, even leaving the country at the height of a standoff between stone-throwing protesters and riot police for diplomatic meetings abroad.
Finally, last Saturday, he gave the order to clear out the protesters and appeared on TV calling on Muslims to protect foreign citizens and property. Some called it a turning point.
Now that a Paris-based satirical magazine has published cartoons of a naked Prophet Muhammad, will Egyptians respond with silent indignation, peaceful marches or be the first to storm their French Embassy?
Jim Maceda is an NBC News foreign correspondent based in London and currently on assignment in Cairo. He has covered the Middle East since the 1970s.
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Salafist=Tea Party
Muslim Brotherhood=Rest of Republican party
Non-extremists=Dems
Sane Central, how sad you can't put your views aside and look at the high cost Americans and other foreigners overseas have paid.Simply because extremists are trying to destroy the process to gain freedoms like we enjoy in our country.
It's about time someone woke up and realized that the extremists have hijacked the political process in the middle east in an attempt to gain attention and grounds for their own purposes. Hopefully the majority of peaceful Muslims will step forward, along with leaders and help stop the perpetuation of staged violence. While those who are young and upset discover that they are being manipulated and aim their emotions at the instigators, not Americans and foreigners who had nothing to do with such acts. It is not up to us to solve this problem, but must come from those who within the culture. Because anything else will be looked upon as unacceptable by those very. People do best when they can identify with the ones talking. Let's hope such people will step forward as the world addresses this issue and applies pressure.
A bigger loser 'sane' you could not be! You must be upset that we were telling you that it was not about the movie and we were right.
Kinda like IMMIGRATION RALLIES manufactured by MEXICO to sneak the ENEMIES OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE into the United States in order to STEAL US RESOURCES.
Hey Sane Central...
Lincoln was a Republican. I guess he is also included in your version of the Muslim Brotherhood?
Your statement flows with arrogance and is grounded in ignorance.
And this is how a "manufactured" nuclear war will start with Iranians having nuclear weapons. Muslims are radical bloodthirsty and brainwashed by a deadman who is dust in the wind.
Re Sane Central. Your comment is about as irrelevant and off point as it could be, and only succeeds in revealing the extend of your personal political animosities, which are every bit as narrow minded and colored by bias as those of the extremists who populate the Muslim Brotherhood.
What the people of Egypt are going through is the process of moving toward a society where self-determination and self-actualization and individual freedom are allowed and respected to manifest themselves - without fear of one being killed for standing up and being counted as a reasoning, thinking individual - rather than having to falsely play lip service, for the sake of survival, to a one note party or religious line.
When such concepts as democracy and individuality are introduced into a society where they have heretofore been nearly if not totally absent only a total fool would think that the process is not going to be messy and often even violent. The forces who liked things the way they were and are losing their grip on power always fight tooth and nail to hold on to it - like rats who have been cornered and about to be exterminated.
Ultimately, no matter how vicious and violent the Muslim Brotherhood, Iran and all the other lowlifes of that region, who think they have the right to kill any who stands in their way will fail and find themselves cast upon the dung heap of dictatorial, totalitarian "isms" that all such as they have inevitably been tossed by cultures that finally decided "enough is enough".
In the meantime, all we can do as America and Americans is be supportive where appropriate and let them work it out themselves, as they will, in due course and at their own pace.
Sane Central
Your ackward comparison is about as pointless as comments from the blowhards who claim that Obama is a brotherhood member. Congradulations on matching their claptrap and posting for public consumption.
So an American Ambassador and 3 other Americans are dead…and what is Obama going to do about it? If he apologizes one more time…
Ummmm, what you say is true to the extent that we Americans just can't seem to shake off the "please disease", you know - always trying to cowtow, apologize to and "help liberate" these stone aged idiots from their "oppressors", real or imagined; since the warhawks are always looking for a "boogieman tyrant" under the mattress. They LOVE their Islamofascist theocracies over there. Obviously. What else explains the presence of the Muslim Brotherhood, Hezbollah, Hamas, et al?????
I disagree with you though that the course of events leading up to these violent uprisings are "manufactured" out of the blue, however. This has been simmering for CENTURIES. These goons are ALWAYS looking for any excuse to pick a fight with ANY civilization. We must, however, let them fight it out among themselves which will hopefully lead to their demise.
Something is wrong with you!
Carl-404329
Lincoln was a republican... but the republican party today is NOTHING like Lincoln. Last time I checked, Lincoln didn't introduce/support, or approve of bills telling me what my religion should be, who i can marry, and what women can and cannot do with their bodies.
The Republican Party of Lincoln is not the Republican party of today. You can't compare the two. But if you insist, Lincoln, while he disagreed with slavery, was not opposed to it politically (not for it either, but not opposed). Even the Emancipation Proclimation did not free the slaves- it only freed slaves in seceeding states, like Virigina. Other states which had slavery, but did not attempt to secede, like Missouri, were unaffected.
With this said, BOTH parties are just like the Muslims- they only care about their own agendas, which is lining their pockets.
Are You retarded?
Here's one for you. Human=-
hot ticket, You contradict yourself writing they do not manufacture these events then say they are always "looking for any excuse to pick a fight".
You sound like a Tea Party flip flopper in a losing debate. The other person does not even need to speak. All nuclear capability must be taken away from Muslim hands or the end of time is near.
I don't care what kind of excuse the press comes up for this cult, they killed, burned and looted on our soil. It's a shame the press keeps making it seem that they were just puppets in a bigger agenda.
Coming to a city near you....very soon!
This was all known last week but you needed to look at other sources besides MSN to find it. Obamas media was trying to cover for the failure last week by saying it was a spur of the moment protest over a movie. Turns out these were planned attacks and the US was wanred 3 days prior.
The Republican Party of today bears absolutely zero resemblance to the party to which Lincoln belonged.
But isn't it ironic how all you angry responders in reality are validating Sane Central's post?
While his post strays away from the contents of the article, the points made that minority extremists mold the view of an entire group is entirely accurate. Apparently only those who are independent voters can see that.
"Lincoln was a republican... but the republican party today is NOTHING like Lincoln. Last time I checked, Lincoln didn't introduce/support, or approve of bills telling me what my religion should be, who i can marry, and what women can and cannot do with their bodies."
Yes, and that is because he had a different platform he was going for.. Back in those days religion, sexuality and abortion wasn't a "right".. His platrform was the abolishment of slavery.. So, comparing the two is rediculous..
HOTTICKET.......excellent post!
According to the article, Jim Clifton mentioned that alot of the problem is that the majority of the people are very poor and uneducated therefore extremely frustrated and follow whatever the "clerics" say.
That's one problem not to mention the others.
Definition of irony: failed Democrat policy meddling and funding the Arab Spring caused this, and the liberal Proggiecrats equate those violent people to the Republicans and the Tea Party.
Liberal Democrats = Stalin
lmao! Mission accomplished.
I wasted my time typing x number of characters.
Look at all the time you folks wasted.
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Now tell me more about how Ramenie cares about 100%.
Keep a straight face, now.
Wow, some honest reporting for a change. I am shocked. Of course this is manufactured, interesting how, when a group of people have the opportunity to get educated they seldom fall for being manipulated. The less educated, the more readily manipulated for political power plays.
Most educated Muslims are for freedoms, it is the ignorant who become and support extremism and they are the useful idiots that are used to topple governments and countries. Look at what happened in Egypt, Mubarak had created a society that was more open, more freedoms for women and economic opportunity. Not perfect by any means, but now look at what is in power. Obama supported and supports the wrong horses and people get killed and extremists come into power.
Time will tell, however, until there is a concerted effort to remove the extremists by the majority population, the extremists will gain ascendancy, generally because they don't hesitate to kill the opposition.
Kill them all and send all the Mexicans and Central Americans over there to run the oil wells. Solves ourr immigration problems and solves the the rest of worlds issues with muzzies.
Just another liberal clown, much like the one sitting in the white house.
FedupwithFed, please show me any apology that has been made by the President. A link would help.
I don't believe you will be able to find any that are relevant to this situation.
This part of the World, is acting out what they have been like for thousands of Centuries.
What is so new about the Middle East Uprisings?. Most are most likely pre or already ordained Terrorists, born in the womb of a Mother with a gun in it's hands; taught by their fathers that America and the Free World are enemies, haters, and must be brought down only by death.
The "kids" who are the fronts for the coward Terrorists, are disposable. Everyone is disposable there.
It would be a good idea to study the brain of an Islamic Terrorist, or rather permanently destroy the teachings of the Koran. Know that is impossible.
Genetics. The barbarians of the ME/North Africa are animals. They are brought up that way.
With a stronger expansion of Terrorism across the World, they will soon be on our doorstep---27 countries are in uprisings at present..
Will Obama be waiting for that 3:00 am call. He must be Direct, and publicly admonish their behavior. They are in control of the West now--
Can you see this?---Frightening. Save your life.
What a bunch of crap!!! Of course anyone with any sense would know it was an attack planned on the anniversary of 9/11. The Obama apologists didn't want it to appear that he was caught asleep at the wheel. This democrat administration doesn't care about the American people. They only care about covering their butts. Wake up America...you have an incompetent in the White House who doesn't give a hoot about you...or their Ambassador in Libya...or the American soldiers in the middle east...or Israel...he just cares about himself and dems staying in power. Obama has lived off the public gravy train his entire life and he and the dems have the nerve to paint Romney has the one who has victimized Americans. And the lead dem...Clinton...was a sexual predator when he was in the White House. Now he's their hero. It's insane and now America is a joke in the world.
Carl-404329: "
Hey Sane Central...
Lincoln was a Republican. I guess he is also included in your version of the Muslim Brotherhood?
Your statement flows with arrogance and is grounded in ignorance."
And your statement demonstrates you are ignorant of the history of the political parties in this nation. Go do your research and you'll learn that most of the South were Democrats well into the 20th Century, but the parties flip-flopped with Democrats taking on progressive civil rights causes, leading most southern Democrats to flee the party. Strom Thurmond is one of the most notorious examples of that, switching from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party. If Lincoln were alive today, he'd be a Democrat.
Where are all of the deserved votes for The Good, the Bad and the Ugly?
Whoooo, you rascal, you really pulled the wool over those peoples eyes.
You wasted the same amount of time as they did, individually, ya dummy..
Come back when you have something sane, relevant, original or at least interesting to post.
Yes, now the question is what are we going to do about it. This can't go on. A change in policy is forth-coming. Do we maintain a presence in areas where violence can be done to our people at whim? I say no. Without hostility, we should go.
Explain This.. " No one comes to the father but by me " (Jesus Christ).
So who's prophets are they?
If the only way to God is by Jesus Christ, how do Prophets rate?
So much for Susan Rice's claim that the attacks were spontaneous.
Iamnotyou...Prophets are Just prophets,,but JESUS is the LORD.
Prophets only proclaim the coming of one higher than they are. John the Baptist was a Prophet. He Proclaimed the coming of Jesus.
I am a little fuzzy on the Suicide bomber murder thing.. how do they think that they get 72 virgins in Heaven after committing the unforgivable sin and go to hell?
Re Sane Central. Your comment is about as irrelevant and off point as it could be, and only succeeds in revealing the extend of your personal political animosities, which are every bit as narrow minded and colored by bias as those of the extremists who populate the Muslim Brotherhood.
What the people of Egypt are going through is the process of moving toward a society where self-determination and self-actualization and individual freedom are allowed and respected to manifest themselves - without fear of one being killed for standing up and being counted as a reasoning, thinking individual - rather than having to falsely play lip service, for the sake of survival, to a one note party or religious line.
When such concepts as democracy and individuality are introduced into a society where they have heretofore been nearly if not totally absent only a total fool would think that the process is not going to be messy and often even violent. The forces who liked things the way they were and are losing their grip on power always fight tooth and nail to hold on to it - like rats who have been cornered and about to be exterminated.
Ultimately, no matter how vicious and violent the Muslim Brotherhood, Iran and all the other lowlifes of that region, who think they have the right to kill any who stands in their way will fail and find themselves cast upon the dung heap of dictatorial, totalitarian "isms" that all such as they have inevitably been tossed by cultures that finally decided "enough is enough".
In the meantime, all we can do as America and Americans is be supportive where appropriate and let them work it out themselves, as they will, in due course and at their own pace.
We should go and take all monies and resources with us. Close our borders to all imigration for the forseeable future and concentrate on helping our own people out of joblessness, homelessness etc... This article at the same time admits the recent violence has nothing to do with video's and cartoons and down plays it all. Dont think this is over by a long shot. Nor do I think tha the "muslim brotherhood" are moderate and uninvolved in all this mess. NO MORE $$$$ to the muslim brotherhood period, ever. We have children living on our streets, without homes, families, education and having their basic needs met. Time to prioitize. America 1st!!!!!
Susan Rice was as clueless as they come, willfully ignoring the fact that the demonstration was known well in advance of it taking place, that the Muslim Brotherhood was using the local media to call for the demonstration, and not only failing to increase security forces at the embassy, but actually WITHDRAWING security forces from the embassy to facilitate the demonstration.
How she got the word "spontaneous" out of all that is beyond comprhension.
Typical media whore at her finest, find a camera and spout meaningless jibberish to grab the spotlight.
Right wingers in the middle east = Right wingers in the US. Whoda thunk it.
1) The article is wrong. The signs say "There is no God but Allah"
2) Janine and Iamnotyou: So says your religion, but, obviously, not everyone believes in your religion. Furthermore, crack a dictionary and quit making up deifnitions. Prophets do NOT proclaim the arrival of one higher than them. They proclaim GOD's WORD. If God has instructed them to proclaim the arrival of one higher than them, THEN that is what they are proclaiming. Or did I miss something and you are saying that Moses was not a prophet (which he was)- or did I miss something in the Bible and didn't read the one who's coming Moses proclaimed? Quit spewing crap.
3) Skrewdworld- the last 2 times we ignored the world, it tore itself apart and dragged us into it, costing millions of American military lives, and billions of innocents' blood was shed. Isolationism doesn't work (but giving our enemies money doesn't either, so yes, I agree the USAID should spend its money on better things).
4) There should be no question at all that the Muslim Brotherhood initiated this bloodshed. Before the MB got its hands on the video, it had about 30 hits. Afterwards, there were millions. THEY gave this "movie" free publicity for the EXPRESS purpose of inciting riots. They played it over and over on Egyptian TV. They sent out tweets in arabic demanding Muslims go to the American Embassy and protest. HOWEVER, they are not 100% to blame, either. The sheep only did what they were told and took it up a level instead of thinking for themselves (like Janine and Iamnotyou). This is what makes them dangerous (and people like these two potentially dangerous). The Muslims (and the "producer") never bothered to look at the fact that, yes, by today's standards, Mohamed would have been a pedophile (his wife was 14) but he didn't live today- he lived in ancient times, when 15 was over the hill, and he most likely wasn't much older than his wife. After all, the Bible states the Jews wandered the desert for 40 years, and none of the original generation that left- none of the children- saw the Promised Land. That means that none of the children who left Egypt lived to be 40 years old. Even as recent as Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet were 15 and 16. So you can't judge him by today's standards.
This is also why Religion and Politics should NEVER be mixed. The religious leaders should be focused on their people's spiritual wellfare, not their societal or economic welfare. Furthermore, when mixed, if one suffers, so does all 3, eroding at the people's faith in their religion, despite the fact the two areas shouldn't be connected at all. Politicians are, by nature, greedy and ambitious, and use whatever manipulations and machinations to achieve their goals. Adding religion only corrupts the religion. After all, what does the spirit care where Israel's boarders end and Palestine's begin? Why would God or Allah want us killing each other? From what I've read, Jihad has two parts- spiritual/internal, and physical/external. The internal is constant, while the external must be approved by a legitimate religious authority and used for self-defense only. Where was the defense? They were on the attack 100%. They didn't even attack those who were involved in the film- they killed South Africans and others from the Eastern Hemisphere- not even people from the side of the world that offended them! Prophet Mohamed has indeed been insulted- by the very Muslims who claim to cherish him.
How sick can one get over the middle east and their chaotic ways, with their poor leadership.
Shawn--you nailed it on the easily led. Why is it, when was it, that people stopped thinking for themselves? I realize it's very easy to take orders, but how far does that reach? Does taking the orders from someone somehow relieve responsibility for one's actions? I know there was a study after WWII about the Germans just taking orders and doing what they were told to do. "I was just following orders" was the mantra. It was the late 1930s, so I know it was pre-mass media era (relatively).
I'm wondering if it is the nature of humans to blindly follow without questioning? I recall that some of the crusades were of this persuasion as well.
Perhaps the things we should be teaching our children is think for themselves; make decisions; and accept responsibility for those decisions. We might also teach them the value of things, such as their lives; the lives of their loved ones; their possessions, homes, country, etc. Although these things are merely transient belongings, they do have intrinsic importance.
I don't know if these are the answers, but maybe it's a starting place. We can only go so far with our own, but I would hope that others might embrace this viewpoint as well. Until we start somewhere, we will continue to suffer from the fallout of corrupt leadership and blatant ignorance.
I think this article is in error. It was a backlash for us starting 3 wars and we are still there. Yes, even in Kuwait today! The Arab World is sick of us being the occupiers of their countries and so am I!
The good the bad the ugly@ So you are saying to just look away and wait for them to come to terms with there new government is in place and they are use to their new freedoms? Blow off! Not while they are killing people from the U.S.A. and other countries now. Where do you get off with that bull. So now they will be after France. I am at that point where I say nuke their a-s and get this done for good . Not for God ,but to stop them from killing anyone else. Give the people enough notice to leave and let them have it.
Shawn1999 - Thank you. That was probably the most well thought out, educated comment I've ever seen in these usually politically biased, small minded comments sections.
Shawn, Moses the Prophet Proclaimed God and HIS Laws. Obviously it's YOU who needs to read some more.
I read about the Pakistani who died from the fumes of the American flag he was burning.
Who wants to join me in sending them more flags?
I guess once the WH conceded what the rest of us instinctively knew, that this was not a spontaneous protest, but the acts of terrorists, NBC and the others were given permission to report the truth. But, this is not surprising. After all, it took about 2 weeks before NBC reported on the Van Jones "incident." There, the guy was hired, followed by outrage, followed by him being fired (resigned), without a word from NBC. So, NBC had to report on the whole incident at once. Of course, if you only got news from NBC you'd have been scratching your head wondering WTF (no accident). As fewer and fewer people trust what the main-stream media is reporting, they will eventually go bankrupt. Heck, they've already dropped the mantle of objective observer and blatantly admit that they support Obama and the dems. I guess enough people knew it already, so why bother pretending.
The crowd also chanted "O'bama, O'bama, we are all Osama's"
Given the fact that the O'bama administration had been bellowing the phrase "Osama is dead, and GM is alive", and the fact the the date was 911, might just have clicked something off in our just wanting to report the truth media. Instead, they decided to regurgitate the vomit that O'bama presented to them. True reporting is dead.
Bring home everyone, circle the wagons, stop sending money to these savages. Let them figure it out on their own. They sit on top of the means to help all of their people and what do they do, ask us for help and then attack, and then lie about who attacked. People, these people are stuck in the dark ages and have been for about 800 years, what the heck is going to change in our time? Let these sandy bastards blow themselves up, or behead each other or what ever they want to do. Maybe they'll figure it out eventually but I doubt it. When you have a population that is uneducated and easily manipulated into thinking what their leaders want, your chances of getting rational results are minimal. Why do we keep trying to help them? Beats me, we must figure that the starving children in our own country don't matter? I guess our own homeless aren't as important as raising up a generation of terrorists to attack our children when we are gone. Awesome policy USA!!! This is just like me paying my neighbor's rent for him, even though he steals my paper, his dog poops on my yard, and he throws rocks at my windows.. I pay his rent and let my own family starve.. I pay his bills and let my debt pile up, because hey, It's only money right. And then when I stop paying for his shiz, I'm the bad guy because there is no more free handouts. Get a clue America, that policy would end my credit and put me out on the street, me and my family. So why are we sending them money? I'll tell you, OIL!!! Don't we have our own reserves under our country? Oh, I forgot, we like to use up everyone elses first. This was a nice little rant. have a nice day folks...
good bad and ugly - wtf. They haven't worked anything out in the last 1400 years. What makes you think they will now. They raise their kids to be dark savages in the name of allah. Crazy.
Raving Middle Eastern lunatics have always been the source of terror and violence!
What do we expect from people that think Western Civilization is made up of Infidels.
Mitt Romney must be taking a page from the lunatics... Romney accuses Americans of being Infidels TOO!!!
Too bad Romney can't fly to Iran and run for President! He's fits in perfectly there!
Iamnotyou: As far as Jesus being the one and only way, Jesus never wrote anything like that in the Bible. In fact he never wrote anything in the Bible. In 325 at the Counsel of Nicaea members of the Roman government and Messianic Jews got together and decided what books would be in the Bible and what it would say to benefit the kings and elite families. Even the dating system we use was not invented until about 525 years after Jesus, "The Anno Domini dating system was devised in 525 by Dionysius Exiguus". Also if you bothered to read the Quran, you will find Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and all the prophets and gods of the "chosen people", some of who chose themselves to control and own the monetary system. This is not anti-Semitism by no means. If you study WWII you will find that Wall Street including many Jews backed Hitler because they were scared and hated communism, which is known as Marxism after Karl Marx, a Jew. Also some disgusting Jews made the Haavara Agreement with Hitler and were owner/employees of the Bank of International Settlements (BIS). BIS did business with Hitler right through 1945 and ended up with the gold teeth fillings and wedding bands from Holocaust victims in their bank accounts. So the moral of the story is, God, Allah etc. are just brainwashing propaganda designed to get you to give up your individual spirit, money, freedom, mind and body to an infinitely greedy death cult that rules over much of the planet to this day. They use religion to get you to submit thinking it is your own free will. They use their monetary system monopoly, police power of the state and they profit from financing and selling weapons to both sides of every war since 1913 and then some. Please arise and join humanity.
Mike - Left wingers in Russia = Left wingers in America. Whoda thunk it.
Shawn - not sure of all of your facts. From all that i've read, Muhammad's youngest wife was 9, not 14. even by that days standard, that was a child.
Gee didn't our "messiah", the illustrious odumbo say it was over a video when everyone else it was premeditated?
How can this be?
I guess you you can't expect much from a president who doesn't know how much our national debt is to know much of anything. But hey, let's vote for him anyway.
A vote for odumbo is a vote for Americas downfall.
After the bombing in Lebanon in 1983 a statement was made to the Congressional floor on the matter of protecting embassys in volatile nations around the world. It was encapsulized in a one minute address that, if it had been embraced then, could have affected the outcomes today. It could have saved the lives of our Ambassador to Libya along with the others killed. No one was listening then and apparently no one is listening now. Commonsense - in one minute. One. Minute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XjbsUBGpTQ&feature=player_embedded
Shawn 1999
Thank you for a quality comment. In the article, I am left with the question on "Manufactured Outrage"! I can't imagine a society where woman are manipulated and forced to cover their hair and often their faces in the name of a religion that suffers from credibility while we question if they would manufacture something like this. I keep reading and hearing how full of love and caring the followers of Islam are. Do you suppose flowers are growing in the "Arab Spring"?
And now the rest of the world is reporting that Ambassador Stevens was raped and tortured. Were there any survivors rescued from this mess? Where is NBC, oh forgot, NBC is in Uncle BO's tank. I keep forgetting President "Peacemaker" will let us know with another endzone dance when he 'drones' his next mussie suspect. This is a WAR and we are retreating. Don't stop running till you get to Kansas, you may be safe there.
Duh!!
Half of the world had this figured out when it was going down. Now it becomes true, what a revelation.
How is the Arab Spring working ?
Nothing is going to change in Meddle East towards the US. Muslim dislike US, dislike our Religion, dislike our way of life. Our policies toward ME are wrong. they don't want us even we pout billions of dollars , because nothing is going to change, we are wasting our money , Obama foreign policies are a failure. The only thing we must care is about security , that Iran do develop nuclear weapons and Pakistan don't turn over theirs to Taliban and Obama's policies do not leadus to that goal.
What a JOKE---AFTER listening to all the SWILL coming from MEMBERS of the press/?news?--AND following everything that is comind out of OUR POOR EXCUSE of an ADMIN---WE need to let these poeple know that "WE the POEPLE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THEOBAMAS LIES" . ALL we get is COVER-UP and COVER HIS ARAB BUTT--YA I said ARAB as NEW INFO is coming out about him AS well AS the LIES that MO said at the convention.
I DON'T BELIEVE AND WE SHOULD NOT for one moment that these MUSLIMs is telling the truth---IF he was HE would have said WHERE the "FOREIGNERS came from---THAT gets the HEAT off him and LIBYA AND EGYPT----I SAID this LAST week --12 SEPTEMBER 2012--and will keep on saying it.
SOME in the British government knew that an attack was eminent on 9/11 and notified the obama administration of this fact.
Obama failed to act on this by securing the embassy and and as a result we now have four diplomats murdered by these subhuman muslims. The question is why did obama fail to act?
People you need to understand this---THE FILM is just an EXCUSE----everything thats going on now was PLANED---PRE=PLANED OVER SEVERAL MONTHS to jump off on 9-11. THIS MOVIE has GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH IT OTHER THAN AN EXCUSE!!!
Obamas "Im SORRY for AMERICA" TOUR was where this started---IF you look real close this smells of MUSLIM BROS,TALIBAN and Al-Quids---also note that THERE IS NO NEWS about the GOVT of IRAN and its quest for NUKES---OR ISRAEL !!
ALL SMOKE and MIRRORS ---and another thing to look at is the POSSIBILITY of a "FALSE FLAG " move by OBAMA---Won't go into it but LOOK UP FALSE FLAG and LOOK real close at the EO--EXECUTIVE ORDERS and what the OBAMA can do with a PEN!
The Muslim world is playing with the government of the United States and the government of the United States, with the help of much of the American mass media, is playing with the American public.
Any American who believes that these attacks on the American embassies in Cairo, Libya and throughout the Muslim Middle East were triggered by a particular Youtube video is sadly mistaken, to say the least. At any given time, there's any number of hateful videos on Youtube! Videos critical of the Muslim religion have appeared on Youtube before. Furthermore, it's perfectly clear that these attacks, particularly the one that led to the assassination of the US ambassador to Libya, were planned for some time and therefore were in no way a "spontaneous" reaction to the particular Youtube video being named. It is not the job of the US government to take responsibility for the statements of any crackpot who wishes to post on Youtube.
The masterminds behind the present Muslim anti-US violence would like us to believe that good upstanding Muslims were innocently browsing Youtube and were horrified when confronted with this terribly insulting video they could just not ignore. In fact, what had to actually have happened was the exact reverse of that. The planners of the coordinated attacks that are just beginning to escalate against the United States were designed by those who planned them to commemorate 9/11. They began with the plan to do violence against the United States, then set about searching for the proper vehicle on which to pin it, and they found a good one in the said Youtube video. They’re playing us, pure and simple, and that an individual who was shrewd enough to get elected President of the United States should be so ridiculous as to be played in this manner is an extremely serious matter. This is not the first time that his arrogant incompetence has revealed his lack of concern for the loss of American lives. How can we forget the attempts by the Obama administration to cover up the events surrounding the murder of ATF agent Brian Terry as a result of the incompetently designed operation known as “Fast and Furious”?
Whereas many idealist Americans fail to analyze Obama’s incompetence, those who wish to harm us have assessed our President very accurately. Those who wish to do us harm know an opportunity when they see it. That opportunity is called Barack Obama’s presidency. They’re laughing their rear ends off.
THE OBAMA IS NOTHING BUT A COWARD and HE IS NOT BLACK!!!
HE is an AMERICAN/ARAB---and A MUSLIME !
My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. He is the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya , his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). Go to:
http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?Barack_Hussein_Obama_-_Arab-Americ
I find it hysterical that someone would take the bible as fact and then tell someone else that they should read more. Try reading something other than the bible, you would be surprised to find out that even Moses read books on other religions and where the inspiration for the commandments most likely came from.
"Lincoln was a republican... but the republican party today is NOTHING like Lincoln. Last time I checked, Lincoln didn't introduce/support, or approve of bills telling me what my religion should be, who i can marry, and what women can and cannot do with their bodies."
Yes, but religion, sexuality and abortion were not issues in that time period.. Lincolns platform was abolishment of slavery.. So, your comment is ridiculous.
Actually, you are also wrong. The signs say "There is no God but the One God." The translation of "Allah" is "The One God." This is an assertion of monotheism, nothing more.
The difference today is that we have the most powerful weapons in the world. We can take on the entire world if necessary, simply by force of our nuclear weapons, and not even have to involve our army.
The "billions of innocents' blood is an exaggeration." You are off by a factor of at least 20; even so, yes, it's a horrendous loss of life, but it is doubtful that earlier involvement could have done anything, and it's also doubtful that we have managed to save a lot of lives, blundering around in conflicts as we have.
And why doesn't the "author" of this article include "administration officials" using this same reaction ?
Heck, the only thing they are doing is carrying "the torch" to distance Mr. Obama from the situation. The SofS and the U.N. Ambassador should have known better, however, they are just the "small fish" in this administration and parroting what they were probably TOLD to do.
It is high time this administration started telling the TRUTH on ALL issues.
Now the Progressive media and pollsters are blaming someone else: "young Arab males, deeply humiliated because they couldn't find jobs". What a frigging joke. Maybe they have been told what to say also.
Looks like the Progressive media and the surrogates will do anything to deflect the causes of the ME violence.
Voted for Mr. Obama in 2008 ? Embarrassed yet ?
BTW. where are the Progressive surrogates on Newsvine today ?
JSMucus69: Obama definately does not act as a Muslim. Obama is just as much of a mouth piece lap dog for monetary system monopolizing, war profiteering faction of ZioNazis as Bush was. Bush was president when Obama voted for the bankster bail out as senator. Obama has shown that he has totally submitted to the AIPAC Zionist overlords of the synagogue of Satan death cult. So you get on here parroting hate for a Jewdeo-Christian religious sect called Islam as if you know something. I'm an atheist anarchist pagan, yet I know that Jesus said to "treat others as you wish to be treated, the least among us shall be our masters, and love your enemies". You don't have to worry one bit about Muslims attacking and killing you because you write and therefore act like a brain dead sheeple. Go ahead write another 20 comments each with 10 paragraphs full of spew, your words will only keep explaining that you are a devote follower of the Synagogue of Satan, Revelations 2:9 beast. I guess I should not even bother trying to explain this to a bipedal primate with parrot like capability and no ability to think or reason for themselves. Maybe war with Iran leading to WWIII and final judgement day of extinction is good? I once desired for humanity to become the essence of the universe becoming eternally aware of itself; I now think extinction is the best way to go. If I were a stronger person, maybe I should give up my life to make sure I can protect the universe from the evil infinitely greedy wasted sperm that thinks they are so righteous as to kill one another in the name of an anthropomorphic mythical stick figure? God = Allah = Satan and Jesus brought a Sword, (Gospel of Matthew 10:34)
This article is exactly opposite from what the Obama admin is trying to feed to the American people.
Jay Carney says this is ALL about a film, not policy.... LIE
What was the ambassador doing there in the first place? He was trying to facilitate a recovery of American Weapons we gave to Libyan "rebels" who were actually terrorists. This whole thing has been botched from the beginning. Why do you think we didn't interfere with Syria? Because Libya went so wrong.
Now the Obama admin needs to divert attention and say, it was all because of a film.... Please.
It does not surprise me that this violence was manufactured. Groups like al Qaida, Taliban, Salafists, are quick to grab any tool to manufacture outrage.
Byron, and shawn 1999--both of you have made some good points! And there is that difference of 'the most powerful weapons in the world' and plenty of WMDs that we are not the only possessors of. But do we really want to irradiate, poison, further screw up our planets' environment? Not to mention that innocent civilians get killed? And yes, we have blundered around in foreign conflicts. Quite candidly, it looks like the human race has REALLY screwed things up. Perhaps with global warming and all the weather problems and environmental problems we are facing, in another few years everyone will be so busy responding to those challenges that it will take the wind out of the war-mongers sails......
The Good the Bad and the Ugly
It is obvious what course the people of Egypt and Libya will take now that the muslim brotherhood and al-qaeda are in charge of the country. It is now a democracy which means they will only have the choice of radical islam or radical islam. We are a republic. Hence the terms Republican or Democrat.
Obama knows terrorists are in charge of the country.
Do you feel Americans should continue to send them billions of dollars??
@ 2.36---MNSICK----I really DON'T give a DA*M how you choose to post my name and I really don't care WHAT you think--HOWEVER you are totally WRONG in what you said----OBAMA has done MORE to DESTROY money making business than ANYONE EVER--and as far as GW goes--IT is NOT HIS WATCH!!
May GOD have mercy on YOU and HOPE you have a long life!
"I don't think it was spontaneous," he told NBC News. "People were gathering in one place at a certain time of day, so there was some mobilization behind it.''
Waitaminute!!!! That's not what Susan Rice told just about every media outlet the following Sunday morning! So, the manufactured outrage against this "film" was exactly that, manufactured. It would sure be nice to hear the truth out of washington once in a while, but alas. I'm afraid it isn't going to happen in our lifetimes...
"My Life for Muhammad." Yep. That about says it all. All in the name of Islam and to hell with civilization.
If you have everything taken away then all you have left is your unregulated anger.
Being ANGRY at the USA is the only thing a Muslim won't get killed over by the Muslim system of RULES.
If Christians killed over the slander of Jesus, we would have killed ALL the Muslims at this point.
Which by the way is not how Christians act.
Muslims lack maturity and self control.
The French know how to stir the pot. HAHA
My Lord are you ever stupid.
MNSlim: A padded room and psychotropic medications are waiting...
But we can send financial aid over there, while the Republicans are busy saying no to our people here. And let's not forget that this same GOP are very busy squandering our workers' tax paying money for exemption entitlements favoring the 2%.
I watched the (so called movie) and it is a disgrace to even call it a movie. I reminds me of an ABC company movie to do just exactly what it did.... create kaos and anger!!!
then they tried to say it was made in hollywood,
Hi Iamnotyou: There is the One, God, and the follower, Jesus, whom it pleases God to call "son". To get to the father you must go by the son - you will never get between them (they are that close). I don't know how prophets rate, I haven't studied such things...but all are part of God. All and everything, alive and infinite. Thanks for asking my opinion, but remember...I will always be wrong and right whenever I attempt to answer - even if I'm trying my best.
Just noticed above - to what 'slander of Jesus' do you refer? I'm totally ignorant of this enmity, but can't imagine I'd feel it important knowing what I know.
Hey NBC how about actually doing your job and start asking Obama to answer the questions about his ideological outlook and his vision of the role of government, redistribution, taxes, deficit spending, payment of the debt and balancing the budget, etc... rather than allowing Mr. Obama to hide behind Jay Carney.
And while you are at it, you can also ask Mr. Obama why he insisted upon sending his team out to say the terrorist attack on our Consulate in Libya was simply a spontaneous protest of a film, when the Director of the National Counter Terrorism Center testified before a Senate Panel that it was actually a planned attack coordinated by a guy released from Gitmo with ties to Al Qaida? And , amazingly, Obama repeated the lie the night before on David Letterman. Perhaps he missed the intelligence briefing while he was talking to the Pirate or the Pimp With A Limp. Or he simply wants to perpetuate the life to keep the truth from impacting his campaign.
I never thought I would see the day when the President of the US would use the same cover story (read lie) terrorist were using, as a cover for an attack on US, in order to keep himself from suffering a setback in his reelection campaign. It is one thing to bloviate, misdirect, and misrepresent your opponent's position. But it is quite another to use a lie, fabricated by terrorist to cover an attack that resulted in the murder of an Ambassador and 3 other Americans and the capture of sensitive security information, to act as a cover on news the President does not want the public to hear, because he is afraid it will negatively impact his reelection campaign. This is the lowest of the low, It is an unprecedented breach of the trust the American people place in our Presidents. Simply disgusting
Obama’s policies since he became President have revived suspicions that he is secretly a Muslim. He's not a Muslim. He's a naif. But so are a great many people in Washington. They are like high school kids who, when asked by an inquiring reporter what they intend to be, say with absolute conviction: "An astrophysicist." This despite not having any understanding of what kinds of study that would entail, and most of them are incapable of such study.
The previous Administration ended up squandering money on the sentimental messianism of what metamorphosed into a Light-Unto-the-Muslim-Nations Project, where "freedom" would be brought to "ordinary moms and dads," in Bush's unforgettably comic formulation. “Freedom” was defined as mere head-counting at election time, not as a resulting advanced Western democracy with guarantees for minorities and solicitude for individual rights, and with the Shari'a as the ultimate authority -- the Shari'a that in letter and spirit contradicts the most important principles of advanced Western democracy.
Then the plan became something less ambitious, which was, and is: Iraq as a state that would remain unified, and even become prosperous. Why "unity" in Iraq is good for Infidels has never been explained. Nor has it ever been explained why Iraq should not be seen as the ideal place in which to observe, and do nothing to prevent, the pre-existing sectarian fissure between Sunni and Shia from widening, and having effects outside of Iraq (in Lebanon, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Pakistan) and even drawing in, from outside, men, money and materiel from co-religionists on both sides.
And this business of making sure that Muslims should become "prosperous" because, you see, if they are poor they tend to sign up for the Taliban and such-like, would, as a policy, if continued, logically force the entire Infidel world to supply endless aid to all the Muslims who forgot to be born with oil and gas under their soil, and to do this forever and ever, lest they become...."dangerous." And, paradoxically, those who are truly poor, and have no rich relatives as the Muslim poor do, would see aid that might go to them go instead to Muslims, as a bribe to keep those Muslims from becoming...."dangerous." The confusion, the illogic, the sheer craziness of American policy is something we can't wait, alas, for sober historians to analyze and hold up for ridicule. We need to change that policy, now.
Obama is a naif, for what else could he be? He had a biological absentee father whom, he knows, was called a "Muslim." He does not know, apparently, that to be Muslim fifty years ago in Kenya meant, and means today, something very different from being, say, a Muslim from an Arab country, where ethnicity reinforces rather than plays against Islam. The easygoing syncretistic Islam of its practitioners in West Africa and East Africa may be under assault from the Saudi-financed true-blue Muslims who are attempting to engage in ideological epuration, and thus making Islam in sub-Saharan Africa ever more dangerous because ever more true to the real thing, undiluted by time and custom and distance from the Middle East's fanatics.
But to take this, or to take Obama’s stay from the ages of 6 to 9 in a most atypical school in a fancy part of Jakarta four decades ago in Indonesia, as showing that he has some real knowledge of Islam, is even more naïve. Indonesia is the one Muslim state that was conquered not by Muslim warriors, but by traders from the Hadramaut who came to Java and established trading entrepots on the coasts. They then turned these into military centers, as was natural for Muslims, and then slowly expanded them, but in the main sought to win power through converting the leaders of Java and Sumatra, who then ordered their subjects to convert. And the continued presence of the monuments of the Hindu and Buddhist past, the pre-Islamic sites such as Borobudur, as with Persepolis in Iran, keep reminding people that they were not always Muslims, though of course the purest Muslims would just as soon raze to the ground any reminder of the pre-Islamic or non-Islamic elements in Indonesia.
Obama is a dab hand at presenting himself as thoughtful. He's a good speaker. But he keeps failing, and looking absurd, in the innocence, and arrogance, of such proposals as an "Islamic summit" where he, Barack Obama, would attend and presumably preside. He should try to exercise his imagination, and picture the reaction of sensible people to some Muslim leader claiming that, because he had, say, spent a few years as the son of a diplomat in London (or perhaps, like so many rich Gulf Arabs, gone to boarding school in London), he was going to call a "Christian summit" of leaders from countries in Western Europe and North America, and iron all those little differences and misunderstandings and misapprehensions out.
I really think whomever printed up those headbands made a mistake. They were supposed to say " My WIFE for Muhammad "
We all know he could never have enough of them.
Anyone that REALLY believes that this was over a film, all I can say is..WOW!
Next week it will be about the University Of Arkansas using a Razorback as their mascot...
Or maybe a Jimmy Dean pork sausage ad....
Or maybe..just maybe..because it was a Thursday....
The excuse should never matter..all that should matter is the RESPONSE.
New White Lions. All cultures go through growing pains in the process of moving away from dictatorial, autocratic systems of government and the cultural biases that helped sustain them.
Have the people of this region spent an awful long time bogged down in a quagmire of intractable, even dictatorial religious attitudes that leave no room for individuals to feel free to seek the truth without fear of reprisal? Even unto death? You're damn straight they have.
You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet and right now that is what the Egyptians are doing. In the end all the petty, hateful would-be potentates of the Muslim Brotherhood, Iran or wherever, are going to find that all things that are born of and purely sustained by the wills of human beings and that are out of sync with truth, kindness and intelligence are doomed to fall, as there is nothing about them that can naturally sustain them beyond the limited power of the human mind - in the case, the engine of hate for all things that are not them.
Iran is doomed; the Muslim Brotherhood is doomed; it is only a matter of time, and if, in the meantime before they naturally die out they don't behave themselves and start hurting innocent people, well there is a cure for that; it is called death most final and deserved.
Submerged Lumber Guy: Dude, Islam, the Quran that is, has Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus in it, maybe you should read it and then the Bible sometime? Like bigotry racism and genocide much? The next time you read Mien Kampf don't take it so literally. Arabs are Semitic peoples too.
Their right wing and our right working togeather to start wars in the world!
This is the palpable expression of Muslim "love" for Muhammad. Riots, murder, arson, assault and rape. These are all things that Muhammad loved and used repeatedly against political enemies and the tribes and nations around him. They are the methods loved and cherished for 1400 years for promoting Islam.
Why is anyone surprised??? Islam is a 7th century personality cult religion started by a cult leader, Muhammad, that has continuously spread itself through sanctioned genocide, murder, pillage and rape of anything and everything around it for 1400 years. It was started by Muhammad, a psychopathic cult leader, a murdering adulterous mysoginist bigamist child raping pedophile. Like every other Satanic cult leader, he just couldn't contain his lust for blood, money and sex.
What about Islam's reprehensible violence and treatment of children and women surprises anyone??? It's founding "prophet", when he was 51, went to his first cult follower, Abu Bakr, and demanded to marry Bakr's daughter, Ayisha, who was then 6 years old. Bakr objected but Muhammad, the self-proclaimed oracle of Allah, claimed that he had been having erotic dreams about her and that it was Allah's will. Muhammad's first rape of Ayisha occurred when she was 9 years old playing with her dolls and other small girls who were friends. Muhammad was 54. If anyone could ever be characterized as Satanic, it is Muhammad who was a demagogue child raping psychopath. Is there anything about Islam, created in this image, and its "day of love" that is nothing but rioting, murder, arson, assault and rape that is a big surprise???
What a life these people must lead. Every waking moment spent on how to kill and destroy all you can't control. They respond this way because there is no consequence for their deeds. People will start responding when it's too late and they try to overtake everything they can. I guess the French are in hot water now! You have to ask yourself, what has the world come to when we need to prepare for war over a cartoon or some lame mini movie. All their actions do is turn more and more people against them and their sick religion. Keep on going fellas. Maybe you will kill yourself off and save the rest of the world the time and trouble. Lord knows you aren't worth the time or the effort!
No consequences? There are rewards. Isolation is what they need and demand.
LouC--- "I guess the French are in hot water now!"
France has been living with their Muslim problem for a long time. They have, at least, had the backbone to do something about it when uprisings occur. (So have the Australians !) I think the Muslim insanity affects the global community more and more each day. Because of that, nations could forseeably come together someday soon and say "no more!" Perhaps, the time will come when nations will enforce extradition and demand Muslims return to their country of origin before unraveling the host country.
New York Times editorialist Ross Douthat claims the cause is "unemployment"? This is nonsense. If it was unemployment then they would be striking for more jobs, not attacking a foreign embassy. There are many unemployed in the US, are they attacking the Egyptian embassy? The New York Times has the highest proportion of out-of-touch left wing journalists of any major publication.
There is a religious mentality that we in the west are largely removed from. The majority culture of the Egyptians is religiously focused. They have very little literature, music, theater, etc that is not religiously anchored in some way. This is the result of 1300 years of Islamic dominion. The Salafists originated in the middle ages. To survive in a culture where a religion is the state rule, one must show faith and fidelity to the religion. The competition for power in a theocratic state is who can be more restrictive, who can be more judgemental, who can be the 'real Muslim', and not the 'Jack-muslim' influenced by the west. It becomes a struggle for intolerance. Like in Hitler's Nazi Germany, it was the radicals that always rose above the rabble and won the favor of the real Nazi. A sympathetic person was sent to the eastern front as a powerless private.
Let us not forget that Muhammad Atta was a brotherhood member. He spoke for the hatred and bigotry of the Muslims for the unbeliever. He was not protesting the unemployment in Egypt, he was showing his fidelity to the imperatives of the prophet by attacking unbelievers, shouting "Allah-hu-Akbar" as he crashed his plane full of passengers into monumental architecture full of civilians. If he were alive today he certainly would have been at the embassy protest.
The Salifists are in a competition with the Brotherhood to continue Muhammad's war with disbelief. 911 was the date chosen to show their contempt for infidel America and nothing more, and terrorism was agian the method.
One of the scenes in the movie shows how their prophet Muhammad dispatched his critics who affront his vanity. Ironically the protests are murderous acts of terror committed by Muslims attacking critics of the same prophet. The movie is starting to make sense because it created the predicted response it was condemning. That makes the movie rather prophetic!
As Obama's brothers are Moslems so to be him. Saying he is Christian by going to listen to a Moslem cleric turned Christian Minister proves nothing! All this supposedly Minister preached was hatred for us and our way of life! Sounds just like a Moslem cleric! Could it be?
Obama would never go to war with Iran! Making war on your brother is forbidden in the Koran! That is, unless you are removing a Dictator so a stricter Moslem regime can be installed!
Hammerhead@ It is true that a true Muslim is a peaceful religion. This is no longer the case. Some where in this we have the anti Christ and we should put them down now. Some people feel that it is the pope. I don't know. There are a lot of hidden secrets in that religion too. Although the Pope talks peace not war. But then they have fought wars too in Gods name. Who is the true religion anyway. I was taught the you do not pray to idols and there should be no pictures of Christ or his kingdom in his church. Also Women shall be silent in my church. With so many false Prophets out there . How does one really tell? I call my God The one. For a lack of a better word or lord the creator.
These "islamists" are using bully tactics to the exteme... If you can't defend your religion agains a video and a cartoon sketch, then maybe it's time to rethink your religion?? Just a thought. When bullies don't like what someone says or the message they got across and they can't defend themselves against it or let it roll of their back like so many other words, they attack. Just like the muslims ALWAYS do. Re think your religion guys. Time to come out of the dark ages and get in with the rest of the world or get destroyed like the Nazi party... (Yep, I just compared muslims and nazis with no real basis for why, I just did because both represent evil in my eyes)
Sandune: "Also Women shall be silent in my church."
Sounds like you should join the Muslims. They agree with you. Also they agree with the "no pictures" part. Isn't it interesting how "extremists" or "fundamentalists" of any Religious sect have more in common than not...Things that make you go, "Hmmmmm..."
Lucy (LouC) you got some 'splainin' to do: If you bothered to read the Quran, instead of parroting hate, you will find Adam & Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses and all the mystic Jewish charters are in the book that is nothing more than a Bible commentary. Your "Lord" is their Lord. Who really attacked US on 9/11? How many innocent Arab women and children died since then? Did you know that there are even atheist Arabs and they are a diverse population? I guess not, because your comment identifies you and many others posting comments here as bigoted, racially prejudice, judgmental puppets of war profiteers and monetary system monopolizers, whose god is Mammon. There is no god, but Allah is fashioned after a dead tribal alpha dude that the Jews stole from the Sumerians. Get a clue...
Sanddune--Two things. First, Jesus said that all the law and the prophets can be summed up in these 2 things--love God with all your heart, strength, spirit, soul, mind; and love your neighbor as yourself (your neighbor being anyone in need of God's love--which are all the people in the world). Love is defined in 1st Cor. 13. That's pretty much it in a nutshell, and for the Christian, is the yardstick to measure everything by.
Second, I disagree with the 'women shall be silent'. That has been taken out of context of the one particular church it was referenced to. Unless your church has some feminazis in it who are trying to take over everything, it doesn't apply.
"There is no god, but Allah is fashioned after a dead tribal alpha dude that the Jews stole from the Sumerians. Get a clue..."
That statement alone, makes you an idiot.. Have fun on the short bus!
Laughlaus or whatever: Your ad hominem is funny. You make me laugh. I'm sorry if I offended you by attempting to explain that Islam and Chrisianity both have Judaism origins. It is obvious you are not able to see the world and the universe with your own eyes and need a mythical middle man that ancient tribal elders fashioned after a dead alpha. So the only thing you can do is try to defend a mythical mystery you don't understand. They used transference and association with this character to usurp his wealth and power for themselves. Look up the history of god. You will find what I wrote above does indeed explain the origins of the Jewdeo-Christeo-Islamic god also known as the Abrahamic god and religions. Being called an idiot by you is a great compliment. Thank you.
Very well said Ms. Annie. Hopefully someday...
MNSlim: You identified yourself as an "atheist anarchist pagan." That explains it all. Please provide your rationale for the "synagogue of satan death cult" and dig the hole even deeper for yourself. You also write: "They used transference and association with this character to usurp his wealth and power for themselves." How so? How do you know this? Did the voices tell you so?
It is now time for Mr. Obama to apologize to the nation for having Susan Rice , Jay Carney and Victoria Nuland and himself lie to the American people about the nature of the attack. Hillary can apologize on her own. Self evident, indeed, except when you don't want it to impact your campaign, right Mr. Obama? And a big apolgy is also owed to Mr. Romney by Mr. Obama and the media.
Okay Basil Romeo, you asked. Just because I read the Bible and quote from it because so many who believe in it never read it does not mean I need to further explain that I don't believe in god, I believe that a government under the god mammon is corrupt and I worship the nature of the planet and the universe. All Jewdeo-Christian-Muslim sects of Abrahamic religions believe in a final day of judgment for humanity. This religio-philosophic world view of doom, gloom and extinction is not conducive to our homo sapiens species collectively living up to our true potential. In geological time frame it is highly probable that the Earth can support our life form for millions of years if we stop acting like lemmings, fruit flies in jar Earth or even as the dominant mold in a Petri dish. The war's and genocide that can be attributed to leaders who use religion to ruse the people and get them to kill other people are in true accurate history regardless of if there is a creator or not. Therefore I stand by the synagogue of Satan death cult statement as an accurate description of the results of Abrahamic religious indoctrination. If this messes too much with your faith then maybe it is not a strong as you thought? That said believe as you choose, I do.
Why is it that the Muslims worry and make a big deal over a film,why do they not try and straighten out their own conduct in witch they have so much violence....that it is just sick..cry me a river for these idiot Muslim's..the film probably portrays them in just the right light as they care about no one or anything for that matter..praise to the film makers
So long as Muslims are following the Quran, their conduct is correct, there is nothing to straighten out.
Remember, 'it is god's will!' Joblessness for example, starvation, disease, pestilence, over-population and, sword manufacturing, among many other examples are all part of Allah's plan. You know of course, because you read it in the Quran or on the internet. (I actually found it on on a dusty old 5 1/4" floppy I found in my grandmother's (peace be upon her) attic; that Allah has made no errors or mistakes, everything is planned. Amongst his plans were his solutions to joblessness and overpopulation, and hunger so he created the sword. It was his plan that soon, people would tire of the sword so, in his plan, he created the RPG and AK-47. There are many other things I discovered on this old floppy (it must be the truth because my grandmother saved it!), Allah created the internet, Al Gore was a false prophet, angry mobs of young Arabs were given more energy and hatred than old men living in white houses. It was all in his plan, and more is yet to be revealed. In the meantime, sit back and enjoy the show. And, yes, he even created Rush Lipbalm, FOX, Dick Changling and the virgins.
Get on your knees and grab your ankles for it is this position that he wills you to remain.
Shame on me!
O, most merciful and most fair, forgive me and do not punish me for I am simply a fool in sheep's clothing!
Seattle Sunshine
The word for Allah's will is Insha'Allah. By closing all economic activity to accomodate the 5 daily prayers, they have shut down productivity thereby creating failed businesses and unemployment. This is Allah's plan so that angry young men will blame the infidel for all their problems, take up the sword, (or rather, the RPG), and kill the infidel wherever they can. Allah-hu-Akbar.
Allah gave them no introspection, so they can't examine where 1300 years of Sharia Law has taken them. They are so sure it is the way to success that they believe their own failures are due to subterfuge and conspiracies hatched by evil Masonic Jin and Jews. Again, it is all in Allah's plan.
It is all part of Allah's plan. I have no doubt of that, just like them. But as to how it's accomplished, well ...I don't think many people have the code here or there. I'm amazed that can be the case, but then I remember it is by design. Humorous to say the least.
Egypt's issuing a warrant for a US Resident made me think of the Cop who went bonkers at the end of the old movie "It's a Mad, Mad, ... World" and started to attempt to assert his authority not only over vehicle traffic but aircraft passing overhead, trains, etc.
No kidding newmuch. It's John Belushi losing his temper so severely while ranting that he falls off his chair. It'd almost funny if not for the carnage when they incite rioting. Saw Rushdie, he doesn't seem worried - but I wouldn't want to be inside a large population of people who might kill over something like this that might happen any time. Noooo.
newmuch and G-Dog--you 2 gave me a good laugh!! Kudos!
Redvirginia says ,"They don't like our religion.'What religion is that anyway? Iamnotyou,Says that the only way to God is through Jesus.So here we have two prime examples of religious zealots who believe that their religion is the right one yet they are bashing Muslims.Muslims think that their religion is the right one.The pot once again calling the kettle black.
As a former interpreter of the Farsi language they were chanting death threats to America and their leadership for murdering Bin Laden. Who came up with this film excuse? I've listened to many of the the interviews on free to air tv where you hear them live and the film wasn't heard. And on 9-11, it was pure vengence. It was a coordinated attack.
Funny how we commemorate things differently. On the anniversary of Bin Laden's death I color my beard, watch porn, then take a dive in the ocean.
G-Dog-787120
Thank you for the comment. I will still be chuckling to myself at lunchtime. - Buzz
Hey Pat - could you please listen to the tape where Ambassador Steven's body is being dragged out of the compound? The new leftist spin is that they were shouting praise that the Ambassador was still alive. As a non-Farsi speaking person, it certainly appeared to me that they were celebrating something very different.
Do you think it's possible that the film was used as an excuse to rile up the extremists? I'm sure they could have found another excuse but why was the film translated and put at this time. Would love to see who was behind it getting out.
well your able to understand the language and are telling us the truth. Thank-you. OUr government should do the same.
Excuse me, but why would Egyptians and Libyans be speaking Farsi, the language of Iran? Just asking.
Are you really "Just asking" or criticizing or attempting to denigrate Pat G information.
Fact: Ever since President Obama's March 2009 Iran Policy, seen by the Fundamentalist Islamic Ayatollahs of Iran that actually control everything as President Obama's negotiating from a position of defeat. The Ayatollahs of Iran ordered Overt and Covert Actions to Overthrow the US Allies Worldwide.
Of the most significant was their increases of the Iranian Special Forces, Quds, training the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists "Holy Warriors of Islam" in Asymmetric Warfare* at the Fundamentalist Islamic Autonomous Kurdistanis Region of Northern Iraq, Syria, Southern Turkey and Northwestern Iran. Among the hundreds of thousands of these Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists "Holy Warriors of Islam" were the Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood, Fundamentalist Islamic Pakistanis Taliban, Fundamentalist Islamic Afghanistanis Taliban, Fundamentalist Islamic Hamas Foreign Fighters, Fundamentalist Islamic Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada International Franchise, Fundamentalist Islamic Hezobollah, etc. all fully funded by the Trillions USDs per year of the Mandatory Islamic Tithes of the 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers Worldwide as funnelled thru the "Non Established Financial Institutions" of the Imams at the Mosques Worldwide.
*Since most have no clue as to what Asymmetric Warfare actually is, that is the Politically Correct term for Special Warfare, Guerrilla Warfare, Fighting Dirty, Cheap War, etc.; and not using Conventional Warfare, Conventional Warfare based on the Civilian Rules of War to make War "Civilized" with the 1907 Hague Convention (resulting in WWI Trench Warfare, and the Honorable Death of running into machineguns) and the 1949 Geneva Convention (resulting in charging up hills into machineguns of the Korean Conflict, Vietnam (cannot violate National Boundaries regardless of the enemy using Asymmetric Warfare and not recognizing National Borders except to their advantage).
The Strategic Goals of Asymmetric Warfare automatically negate all the Strategic and Tactical Goals of Conventional Warfare; especially in the Insurgency Mission, inciting the People of a Nation to Fight for your Cause(s) to Overthrow a Enemy's Established Government. There are also the Psychological Warfare aspects of Asymmetric Warfare to permanently shape the Future of Nations. It is typical that Asymmetric Warfare to NOT be "quickies", years to win like Conventional Warfare, and may take Decades to permanently win that War. Usually, Asymmetric Warfare will "play" the Conventional Warfare enemy to obtain their Asymmetric Warfare Strategic Goals, especially to "Gain the Local Support", "Gain the National Support", "Gain the International Support", "Defeat the Enemy's National Will to (maintain the) Fight".
It is usual that those conducting Asymmetric Warfare must be completely experienced in all aspects of Conventional Warfare, as well as Asymmetric Warfare's Counter Insurgency Mission.
The current US Military is 3% of 1% of the US Citizens of the US Military are trained in Asymmetric Warfare; the majority of the US Military are Conventional Warfare to benefit the US Citizens as demanded by the US Politicians (US Jobs, directly and indirectly employed almost a hundred million US Citizens by the US Military).
And yes, the required language at the Fundamentalist Islamic Autonomous Kurdistanis Region is the Kurdistanis version of Farsi. Just like most areas of Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. that border the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, the language used is Farsi, also many of the Fundamenalist Islamic Jihadists as Worldwide Foreign Fighters use Farsi, not Arabic. example: While at Iraq, I told the Brits at Basra, that they need to learn Farsi and NOT Arabic as at Southern Iraq as Arabic is the "oppressor" language of the Sunnis Arabs while Farsi is the language of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia of Southern Iraq; did the Brits listen, nope, until after they started to get attacked by the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Militias of Southern Iraq.
Also like I stated before the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran MUST brag about what they are spending all their Oil Wealth on, to the Iranian people. So they advertise on their News all the 21st Century Weapons they bought from the Chinese and Russian Federation; what their Special Forces, Quds, are doing external to Iran; how Iran is expanding it's Strategic Sphere of Influence throughout the World; how their Allies, the Chinese, Russian Federation are supporting them; etc..
Piece by piece the rest of the video is slowly being released in the US of the attack on the US Embassy at Libya; the full length video was already shown on Iranian Fars, Arabic Al Jazeera, etc. showing the start of the attack with those carrying RPGs, AKs, etc. and the US Ambassador being dragged alive from the safe room, raped (sodomized), beaten to death, held up for photos (you don't get head wounds like that from smoke inhalation), then finally taken to the doctor.
But, nope, this Administration will not admit they Overthrew a Former US Ally President Gaddaffi, and put into place the very same Islamic Jihadists that were killing the US Military at Iraq; the Fundamentalist Islamic Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) aka the New Government of Libya.
Not going to happen.
Hey Buzz, yeah, I get a good one off once in a while. I think I'll be re-telling that one myself if the opportunity presents itself.
“Innocence of Muslims”
I finally found the low budget film “Innocence of Muslims” online and watched a few minutes of it. It was hard to believe that such a film could create such uproar and violence as what is being experienced in the Middle East. My first impression, it was a poorly written and produced humorous satire. In the U.S. we are use to comedies and humorous satires mocking every subject on the face of the earth. Christians have become a custom to non-believers and believers of other faiths criticizing or insulting their savior, Jesus Christ. Even if offended by the remarks, they usually disregard them for what they are and who it came from. Musicals such as “Jesus Christ Superstar” depicted Jesus Christ in an anachronistic or abstract manner, a recently discovered Coptic 4th century script suggested Jesus was married to Marry Magdalene, Muslims claim Jesus was a prophet like Mohammed rather than the son of God and yet Christians do not attempt to kill these individuals or seek vengeance against them.
When Americans heard of the Arab Spring Uprising, they were happy for those brave individuals who sought out and demonstrated for freedom and individuals rights. Americans were hoping by doing so, Middle Easterners would gain personal freedoms, be allowed to vote for and chose their leaders, and experience the liberties and freedoms Americans experience and cherish here in the U.S. They knew from their own past, gaining freedom was a difficult and sometimes bloody struggle which all seeking it had to be totally dedicated to and willing to die for. It saddened Americans to think those seeking freedom from oppressive leaders would allow their newly founded freedoms to be compromised and quieted by extreme radical groups such as al Qaeda and/or the Taliban who enforce their own violent laws and extreme versions of Sharia Law upon innocent men and women; brutally and violently inflict punishments, without justification, upon them; force them to live in fear from death; and control them with fear tactics. It was also sad to consider all those who stood up and died for freedom, did so in vein because the freedoms they so bravely fought for were replaced with more severe restrictions and oppression than what they had previously experienced under the oppressive leaders of their countries they had expelled. Americans knew it was up to Middle Easterners to decide for themselves what was best for them and not interfere in the process.
It was not the policy and practice of the U.S. to interfere with internal civil wars within countries by the population living there and their leaders, regardless how much Americans sympathized with the people. It was the policy of the United Nations to intervene in internal civil wars when the leaders were committing massive genocide against their own people. To show its displeasure with the killings of innocent people, the U.S. placed sanctions against the leaders of those countries. It was unfair for the people of such countries, to turn against Americans and strike out at them by attacking their embassies, businesses, and citizens living there when they were not supporting the wrongful acts against such people, but sympathizing with them..
In cases such as Syria, President Basher Assad, wasn’t favorable towards the U.S. and other industrial nations because of all the sanctions put against him. He has since allied up with Iran. President Assad wasn’t attacking and brutalizing his people because he supported American ideology or American anything else, he was desperately attempting to hold on to his power and viewed the protesters as threats to the nation’s stabilization. The ongoing conflict in the Middle East appears to be Muslim groups against other Muslim groups wanting to force their ideologies upon each other for power and control, Middle Eastern countries in conflict with other Middle Eastern countries, extreme radical Islamic groups wanting to gain momentum and power, and internal conflicts brought about by high unemployment and lack of resources.
For the faithful, Exodus 20: 13 Thou shall not kill. God disapproves of shedding blood in his name except when it is for the protection of the innocent from being brutalized or killed by others. Those who encourage others to kill in the name of God, don’t represent the laws of God, they represent their own ideologies being forced upon others at the hands of death. God does not turn a blind eye towards the plight of the innocent. When the time is right he will punish those who murder the innocent with his own hand of justice. They will know and understand the wrath of God when they receive his punishment.
Still think it's about the movie? How naive.
It's about a lot of things, the likes of which we'll nor the Muslims themselves, will perhaps never fully understand. On a more fundimental level, we are seeing a clash of cultures because of a recent expondential increase of the level of communication; videophones, internet et cetera, combined with the huge rise in population over the past 40 years in Middle Eastern nations which were mostly at one time sparsely inhabitated. Thanks to Western aid through sharing with the Muslim world our advanced techniques in: medicine, nutrition, sanitation, water management, soil science, et cetera, along with a windfall of revenues from oil, and the industrial world's dependency on oil, we have helped spawn a higly populated dangerous geographic region, because it is still living in the 15th century ideologically, at best.
As it is now, and for the forseeable future, any significantly larger encroachment of a Muslim people into a Western Nation will be toxic.
Linda,
Like you, I was curious about the "Satanic Verses" by rushdie and I have to say, these idiots need to develop a sense of humor. To me it reads like a fairy tale or some dream inspired from recreational drugs.
These people cannot be judged by our western standards. They have lived in a brutal world since birth and been programmed under the most determined form of mind manipulation the world has know. It has not changed much since the Muhammad determined to control the world.
The western world tried for hundreds of years to bring the religious based government into the realm of "civilized" society. The governments were willing and the royal family of the Ottoman Empire was willing and made efforts to educate people and to bring some sort of literacy to the masses, but Hysteria and deliberate ignorance prevailed. The true believers willfully murdered even their own blood relations for the will of Allah and his profit. The history of the decline of the Ottoman Empire shows the ruler willfully being strangled by hand, slowly as punishment for sins against what the true believers believed in. This shadow of impending death is what guides the whole Muslim world.
I wonder how many times the Islamic CULT has murdered its own? Given that fact, is there any doubt that they would hesistate to murder the world? The fanatics remind me of a severely depressed man that would rather kill his girlfriend than allow her to live without him. That is why the Ottoman Empie was called the "Sick Old Man" of the East.
The European powers helped the Islamic government to build its first school but was affraid of the extremist within their culture and forbid women from receiving an education. Ignorant people are easier to control. I remember when sitting through boring lectures in college, the prof. would always ask, "Is there any questions?" My thought was, "If I understood what was just said I mught be able to ask a question". These people are not smart enough to relize they create fear and fear breeds hostility.
Ignorance and massive violence is the culture that is cultivated through Islam. We have seen it is Christinity as well but in our society, we do not ALLOW the fanatics to rule the laws. The laws rule the fanatics in the west. Therein lies the rub. How do we expect a whole indoctrinated culture to change to allow the rule of civil law to control the fanatical religion?
Since force and the threat of death is the foundation of their religion, that is the only way we will be able to convince them to change. It sounds brutal, but brutality is the way of Allah. Read the passages of the Koran, and you might be able to understand. When it speaks of perpetrating great bloodshed and killing over an enemy, and then say that Allah is merciful in the same verse, what is wrong with that? Nothing if you are Muslim, it makes perfect sense, since the blessings of Allah is not in this life, but in Heaven. To a westerner though, death is death, and mercy killing is not one of our principles to live by. Trying to mix the valuse of Islam with western values is like trying to mix oil and water.
Lazarus
Linda-2906871,
Do you honestly believe all that. LOL.
Someone needs to make a movie, "Ignorant Americans".
I keep telling all of you ANYTIME you hear "Killing his Own People", start researching in detail exactly who the "Own People" really are. Especially, when you hear the term "Dictator" used with that, as "Dictator Killing His Own People".
All the now Overthrown Established US Ally Governments were screaming at the US about the Increased Activities of Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists at their Nations, and what did President Obama do, started to call them all "Dictators" as this was against his March 2009 Iran Policy. Even his Appointed and Confirmed by US Congress Registered Democrat General McChrystal was telling the News Media of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran's Involvements to Overthrow the US Allies Established Governments Worldwide until President Obama warned him to shut up and gave him a Letter of Reprimand.
And General McChrystal should know from Experience, since he was US Army Special Forces (US Military Asymmetric Warfare*), previously Commander Special Operations Command, previously Commander Joint Special Operations Task Force Iraq, and US Army Ranger. During his "in briefing" as the new Commander of Afghanistan, General McChrystal was shown all the captured weapons, ammunition, and detained Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists especially the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadist Foreign Fighters (that do not know Pashtu, Dari; but do know Arabic and Farsi); afterwards he told President Obama, President Obama's Polticial Appointees, SOS Clinton, etc. and they ignored him (as this was against President Obama's March 2009 Iran Policy); so as his Duty as a US Military Officer he informed the Public, as the Representative of the US Citizens of the US Military (US Congressional US Military Officer's Commissioning Certificate), and the Representative on the Battlefield of the US Citizens (US Military Officer's Oath of Office). This is also why President Obama could not charge General McChrystal with "Insubordination" under the UCMJ; and had to make a Deal for General McChrystal to Retire as a Four Star General instead of a Three Star General to get General McChrystal's Letter of Resignation or there would be a Public US Congressional Hearing to relieve General McChrystal of Command, that would disclose everything about "This Adminstration Does Not Know What It Is Doing" permanently destroying President Obama's Political Career. There was a previous Deal by President Obama with General McKiernan; and later on with General Petraeus.
*see my post#6.7.
YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH
ROTFLMAO.
To david-475776--I read your above #7.4, your #6.7, found the info you gave to be very interesting, even enlightening. I also clicked on your name, and wound up reading what you wrote about Afghanistan. The world is in such a mess, and it seems to me that we are SOO Screwed! - and I mean all of us humans. It's really sad. All of it. At this point, I figure that all I can do is to educate myself to the best of my ability, be the best influence I can be, and be a part of the rebuilding if we humans get the opportunity to rebuild. I'm 61 years old so that rebuilding part may be posthumously. No one is promised tomorrow, only today (or part of it). Thank you for your posts!
Isnt every islamic spontaineous uprising staged? Its a way of exercising their people to take their minds off of the fact they are starving because their leaders all spend all the money on weapons and try to dominate the world so they can act superior to women. No God would ever preach that.
Obama doesnt even send a stern waning for the killings and burning of our flag but does tell egypt that he will hold our billions of dollars of us aid for them until after the election!Think about that,we as a country are having a hard time,jobs,gas.economy,taxes on his health care and we postpone billions in aid for people that hate us????Stop all the aid help America first!!!!!!
Absolutely right tax weary!!!!!
TW, you're the first 47 percenter to speak out about our rights for more government support. We'll save a loaf of bread for ya! You got gubmint cheese?
TIC
Seattle Sunshine--hahahahahahahaha! You so funny!
Seriously, tax weary1 has a good point! There are millions of children, elderly, and truly disabled Americans that need help. And many more infrastructure projects could be funded with those dollars. And some of those dollars could even be spent (gasp!) paying down the deficit! But it is a complicated mess, what we have going on in the Middle East. Unfortunately, as I have learned in some of david-475776 posts, it is very complicated and it appears to me like maybe we have dug ourselves a hole between a rock and a hard place, The devil and the deep blue sea.....
The media has enjoyed the focus on a few noisy and anti-american protesters. As things are shaping up, the same media will have plenty to cover when the Israelis, abandoned by the west, take it to Oblowmywad and Iran, we should have helped the revolutionaries their instead of letting the basturds hang the protesters in the street
Great idea tom mc - let's help all "revolutionaries" throughout the Middle East overthrow these oppressive regimes so that the freely-elected "democratic" governments can return the favor in spades as they have in Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Tunisia, etc. I still say Democracy is not for everyone - only for those countries that understand that democracy means letting people express their beliefs (religious, ideological, whatever) and respecting those differences without killing each other.
America does have to stop trying to get these animals to even understand much less accept our type of democracy. IT's not going to happen for decades, perhaps centuries from now. Get out of the Middle EAst and let hem fend for themselves. Make America 1st again and let's take care of our own people and our own problems. Shut down the borders to all immigraion for the time being and send home ALL here illegally.
"But the real driving force behind the protest – in Cairo and Benghazi – were radical Islamist groups who know how to exploit rage for political gain."
Kind of like the Democrats and the takeover of the Wisconsin capital building by busing in union members, or more recently the "shock" of having a politician acknowledge that they pretend they are victims.
Failure leads to oversensitivity - leads to overexagerated responses to anything that can be seen as advantageous - leads to screaming and yelling to gain attention - leads to repulsing more civilized people from them - leads to even more failure.
some of the oldest civilizations on earth, and they have not done anything constructive since the piramids. and those were built by slaves.
Look at Latin America. What a bunch of deadbeats.
The pyramids were not built with slaves. The regular labors worked on Infrastructure projects (of which the pyrmids were just one)
These were the general publics taxes. And the heat construction took place at the times where the populace couldn't plant or harvest.
The artists that did the decoration were provided for as were the scribes, soldiers, etc
They may not have been slaves by todays standards and research indicates that they were not the Jews as depicted in Hollywood films but more likely indigenous peoples from Egypts poor villages however is it unlikely that they really had much choice as to whether they wanted to work on the pyramids or not, The discovery of tombs containing suspected workers in which were also found bread and drink suggests that the workers were respected and provided with beverages after their death for the afterlife but the fact is that they died while working on the Pyramids and probably did not have much of a choice, It could also be argued that the fact that they were buried in close proximity to the Pyramids and were buried in a standing position is because they were slaves and were expected to serve and pay homage to those burried within the pyramids even into the afterlife.
Oldest, maybe, but civilized, I don't think so. More like barbaric.
The pyramids weren't government work projects?
Someone told me that pharaohs decided that all those poor unemployed masses, had no jobs, because there were none available so, if you were willing to work in exchange for bread and Nile river water, they would allow you a better life. The pharaohs soon learned that their projects would take twice as long to complete as a full 46.9 percent of the downtrodden masses wanted better water and, bread without weevils.
And that my friends is how the Arabs were able to afford two story mud huts that exist to this day. Only the cleverest of thieves and *grave robbers, could have *amphora water in their cribs.
*Grave Robbers - were the earliest form of the death tax collectors.
*amphora - was a pottery vessel, specially treated with ox blood, used to store water. Some amphora, like plastic bottles, are still found on beaches around the world.
Where was I going with this? Anybody?
dsb,
I can refer to history to say you are wrong. show me some historical refence to validate your usual unfounded blanket statements.
Egypt was a like all other cultures in the time and all were based in slave labor generated through wars and conquest. For God's sake, read a book.
Lazarus
This was about 9 11, the Obama admin. try to spin it about the movie, 4 people was killed where was the marines that suppose to guard these embassy.
marines are not allowed to engage.
right on randy!!!
If you caN NOT BELIEVE bozoHUSSEN'S CORRUPT MACHINE, YOU CAN YA BELIEVE??!!
obama got on TV and lied to the Prez of Mexico about him & Holder giving guns to the Drug Cartel.
how about the Whoppers BOZOhussen & Over-the Hill'y are saying about the killing of the USA embassy staff... it was an over -done riot about a movie, that NO one has even seen...It had nothing to do with BOZO shouting " I Killed Osama and saved GM"...it just happened on 9/11.. NOTHING to see here..
Move along....Where is the American Journalism?? OUT drinking KOOLaid with the sheep leader---
OoooobbBAAAAAhhMMMaaaa-- put on your flower pot hats and sing along!!!Drink it UP, Drink it GOOD...BbbbBAAAaaahhhaaa!!!! the chosen one has fixed everything!!! Bad BUSH!!!!BBBAAAHHHAAA!!
The way these people protest at the drop of a hat, you'd think they were getting paid for it.
They more than likely are. Their unemployment rate is high, so if someone gives you money o protest and riot, you do it.
Just like the takeover of the capitol building in Wisconsin last year... pawns for political overlords.
President Morsi knew what was coming and took no action to prevent it, nor did he try to do much for a long time afterwards. What you are getting here is a projection of Western political punditry on to a sectarian and tribal society. The authorities cited just parroted back what they thought would be the most soothing bromides to foreigners. This schema is about as useless as trying to plant cotton in the Arctic.
Funny how all the Obama supporters who believed it was all about the movie are nowhere to be found. Let me be the first to say I TOLD YOU SO.
What are you talking about?
grandpa - Naive liberals who live in fantasy land because they can't deal with reality.
Grandpa, apparently they aren't talking so much about you and me as themselves. Obama supporters deal with reality very well over all, I'd say.
Are you people at NBC for real? Perhaps you consider me and others to be nothing more than "hicks." A little over a week into this Muslim mess and NBC has the gall to publish this "story" that was, at least approved and edited, by Team Obama. I thoroughly enjoy your use of numbers ... how in spite of actual film footage that clearly shows large angry crowds in and around our embassy in Cairo, you still manage to word your story to imply that number of rioters were nothing more than a boy scout outing. Then to deflect concerns about the administration's foreign policy in the Arab world, you blame this small group of protesters as being right wing conservatives (sounds familiar) as opposed to the moderate, friendly, peace loving Muslim Brotherhood (who just happen to want to establish a strict, fundamentalist Islamic country governed by the rule of Sharia Law).
As a side note, I love how you also describe this "anti-Muslim film" as disgusting. Although I have not seen it, I will take your word for it. Based on this, I then have to assume that whatever is in the film must be really bad because I don't remember NBC in any way describing a catholic crucifix in a jar of urine, as being anything other than "artistic expression." Get up the good work.
Gunner 1077900
Great Insight. I have no idea as to why the US does not acknowledge the "other" reasons for last week riots/carnage at US Embassies either
They can't admit and acknowledge without DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT. This would have to include NOT sending anymore money to the muslim brotherhood and that Obama fully intends to do.
How come we see headlines about radical Islamist killing Americans and Christians. Yet here in the states we don't see the headlines of Muslims in the US putting down these extremists? We (Christians) have our own extremist in this Phelps guy. Every time he opens his mouth, you see Christians every where saying his God isn't 99.999% of the Christians God. What his god is . . . . a joke! The fact that it is a Baptist Church casts wonder to every other Baptist out there. What do they believe in?
Phelps is a cult, and I wonder just how long we are going to put up with malicious religion!
If you had bothered to look and read you would have seen the article about US Muslims coming out against the riots.
Plus you could have read statements by Musim clerics from all over the world decrying the violence.
But reading or hearing these statements might have resulted in a change of world view by yourself and others of you're ilk. And you can't afford to acknowledge the truth so you close your eyes, ears, and mind.
America will put up with 'malicious' religion as long as we remain a free country, which continues to wane in light of policies that diminish individual rights under law. If you do not choose religious belief, so be it. If others do, and in fact religion in America is far less malicious than your post, so be it as well.
It's great that the Egyptian leader went on television to denounce the uprising and request all muslim's to protect foreigner's and foreign property. The problem is it took him so long!
His response to such act's should be the spontaneous response that is talked about. That anyone need's day's to condone such act's of violence to such a trivial and blatant but harmless act of disrespect is the problem. Waiting and being indecisive in response only give's the crowd's the idea that they are in the right.
This should be the point that all the brave soul's who risked their live's for freedom and found courage in fighting against murderous regime's. Now more than ever need to find that same strength and unity to fight these radical's who are now changing the opinion and support the world had for the courage of standing up and confronting the risk of death to be free. Now it is time to either rid the world of those who will steal what was gained or for ever lose world support in what is alway's a continued battle and vigilant watch that come's with protecting freedom.
There was a news item the other day stating that science will eventually explain everything, and will make the notion of a god unsupportable. Here is hoping this is true, so that there are no more acts of violence, wars, hatred, etc. in the name of religion. Although, I am sure these people committing such nasty acts over religion will do the same over any "offense" no matter how minor.
Some day science will tell is much of the 'how' the universe works. Religions attempt to explain 'why' the universe works.
I don't belong to any religion and agree that religion has been used as a catalyst to foment violence. But religion is simply the tool old men use to gain and retain power.
I fail to see how learning the 'how' threatens the 'why'.
But religion is simply the tool
oldmen use to gain and retain power.I agree with what you said but I had to correct one thing, It is not just old men, Religion is used as a tool, Just as Patriotism,Fear,Hate,Money, Poverty, Greed and a number of other things are used to unite and incite a group of people to do the biddings of others.
Striking down freedom of religion will end all disputes between people? There are no issues outside religion? Are you speaking of a hypothetical world that exists on another planet?
Jodi--if we all woke up the same tomorrow, there would be another reason for hatred/bigotry/war by noon. That's a modern take on an old quote, but it applies here. Remember, Stalin was not religious, yet he murdered millions. It's not whether a person's world view includes a religion or not--it's how that person interprets and acts out on that world view.
lost...spoken like someone who would BOOO at the DNC when GOD & Israel are put back on the platform!!
lisa...do not forget Hitler's Socialist state -NAZI-murder of Christians and Jews!! the koran is a book of murder and hate...
Hi dsb, if you tune in, I have to chime in here just to say that, obviously, with my particular view (I don't belong to any religion either - can't think of one that would want me) the how and the why are the same thing. Obviously I say-but only to me, but yes science will ever display the astounding.
Jodi, science proved the existence of God to me. I reasoned it out, I didn't get it from a book (although, ...there are books on the subject) I don't care if you believe it (me) or not - it just doesn't matter. What matters is that we curb our tendancy toward hostility and violence and improve our own dispositions with understanding and humor.
Wow, what a bunch of rocket scientists you have at MSDNC. I guess it is getting pretty hard to keep pushing the ridiculous assertion that this whole thing was a spontaneous uprising over a ridiculous Youtube video. Now you start to backtrack. I wonder if there are any real journalists left out there?
Looks like the middle eastern right wingers are just as crazy as the American right wingers.
Mike - Left wing or right wing doesn't equate to tail feathers. It is the middle that contains all the mechanisms that run the body.
When journalism became 'entertainment' it turned into one big show. They create the plots, apply the makeup and instruct the actors in the delivery of their scripted lines.
" I guess it is getting pretty hard to keep pushing the ridiculous assertion that this whole thing was a spontaneous uprising over a ridiculous Youtube video"
Who cares why it started? It happened. Let's deal with it--you sound as angry as the Islamic mobs you're criticizing. Ironic it's the right wingers in the Middle East who are causing these "riots."
It may indeed be "the middle that contains all the mechanisms that run the body" but the right and/or left extremists of any society can hijack that body easily. Witness these Mid Eastern right wing riots today.
Does everyone really believe that all of this violence is due to some stupid film that is so minor that it had to be put on you tube? I dont believe that for one moment. I would guess that 99% of the radical muslims leading the violence never heard or saw the film until the media spread its liberal wings. They are using this film as a reason (as if they ever needed one) to attack the USA and put the blame on us. As long as we have a President who likes to bow to foreign leaders and took a muslim name a long time ago we will be weak targets for all muslim terrorists to attack and kill their American enemies.
Yes! Obama and his cabinet, supporters, NBC and liberals in general believe it if Obama says so. Then again, they are so eaten up with the guy they will believe anything. He tells a lie and they not only support it, they swear to it. This has been the story of his presidency.
Hillary at the State Department and honest Democrats in gneral that continue to support the farce in office disappoint me.
You are so tight Buzz and I'm thouroughly disapointed with Obama, Hillary and all the dem leadership that continues to hold to the falsehoods they've been spreading about this. WE can say so with our vote in NOV. NObama in 2012.
Here Buzzbinder, skrewdworld, and Mr 29 exhibit the perfect outcome of FOX's "manufactured" news, uninformed and misinformed performers, with a large dash of snarky......
This article is late. Other places I've already indicated that what happened was done according to "The Hegelian Principle". I ran across the ideas in that principle online by accident. If you have not read the principle, you might want to read it. You will learn how we are manipulated everyday by the elite using it against us.
There are too many wrong things in the Islamic world. First of all, the people are so used to being suppressed and led that with freedom, even a little, they really do NOT know what to do or how to act. Evey little thing is a big thing and stupid things (a dumb cartoon) are major things and real things (genocide in Syria) are unimportant things. Since most of the thugs (dictators) are gone, those scrambling for power (radical Islamists) need something to bully their way into power. They ARE using the fact that people do NOT what to do with freedom or how to act by funnelling it into anti US and anti west protests. Like the communists in Russia who stole the revolution from the Bolsheviks, these radical Islamists hope to seize the moment and take their countries and cultures back into Islamic slavery, ruled by dictorial Imams and and midieval religious law. Who will win? What will happen? Who knows. It IS time for the US to get out. Take our money (trillions over the years), take our troops (endless interfetence and wars), take our goals (imposing democracy and tolerannce), and take our ideals (separation of church and state and diversity) can come home. Let them figure it out. As for Isreale, they don't want peace and they never thank us for anything. They can take care of themselves. If there back is ever against the wall, they WILL take out a few capitals. I wouldn't blame them just like I do NOT hold anything against the US for dropping two A bombs on imperialist Japan after Japan invaded and committed the most atrocious crimes against the Chinese, Koreans, and other Southeast Asians second only in human history to the German Nazis. So, let these people either GROW UP as a culture, as nations, as a reiigion OR let them slide back into their closed, backwards, midieveal world. The west and the US can take some responsibility for coddling dictators and itnerfering (overthrowing the Iranian government back in the 50s and installing the hated, brutal Shah or Iran) BUT the political, military, and religious leaders of the Islamic world must take a lot of responsiblity by imposing a mindset that hates education, science, freedom, diversity, and forward thinking. The world is changing. What will be the outcome? I don't know but the US has eiher been part of the problem or if we have helped at all, it is time to get out and let things work themselves out. We can NOT save everyone or make everything work to our liking. As is said as part of any 12 step program to take a look inside and solve our own problems: Let Go and Let God.
I'm right beside you Bill. There is no fear once one 'knows' God is real--how could there be?
ANYONE who thinks these riots were spontaneous- put on your Dunce Cap and go to the corner, hanging your head in shame at your naivete. Politics have become the tool of religionists as much as religion has become a tool of politicians on the right wing. We have the same problems here with our right wing "christian" politicians. It seems like the only reasonable answer is to suppress these fanatics worldwide and bar their access to power.
A good start here in the USA would be to stop the special relationship churches have with the government by making them pay taxes like everyone else and also make them register as official lobbies or political parties since they want to involve themselves in politics.
Merlin - What other suppression would you like to legislate into law? Your right to free speech because it's bigoted?
Merlin - And cutoff Planned Parenthood for their relationship with the government through the receipt of taxpayer funds for abortion and who lobby to promote unfettered genocide against the unborn. And the Unions who work with government to further their agenda of manipulating the funds of their members to promote a political agenda to control politicians. And corporate buddies who coerse government through financial support to further their own interests to affect outcomes through skewed legislation - to name just a few - none of which are addressed, as is freedom of religion - as foundational rights under the law of the land. To suggest that freedom of faith implies one who holds it must be silent, and further should be roundly marginalized, is about as dictatorial as it gets.
Only 3% of planned parenthoods function involves abortions--none of which are funded by our tax dollars. Besides if you're against abortion you should be FOR Planned Parenthood--they help women "Plan" their "Parenthood" and that means birth control!
Planned Parenthood also helps millions of women with their healthcare. Planned Parenthood saved my sister's life. She had cervical cancer and without the help of Planned Parenthood would be dead today.
Give it a rest.
Merlin, you can't tax churches. It's the separation of church and state thing. This is what is really means. Keeping government out of churches, not keeping churches out of government.
Merlin The church is made up of people. The people that go to church are taxed. So indirectly the church is taxed.
No, the churches do not pay taxes. When our forefathers gave them the privilege of tax-free status, most all of the churches were poor themselves, yet they did acts of mercy, helping the poor. Today, you see great structures with big screens. The problem I have with churches is when they ask their parishioners to vote a certain way. Then they are stealing your vote through the power of not just pursuasion, but thru guilt and fear.I have witnessed it and when I did, I realized that power-grab was by a church with political leanings and flexing its manipulative muscle. Anyone who dares to claim they have God in their back pocket is a charlaton, in my opinion.
Howdy K.M., I strongly agree with you. With pockets, right away you need something to put in them. Influencing someones political vote by making it sound like "God's will" is snake-belly low. Anybody who believes in God should know they are as much a part of God as anybody else (so why in the hell should they listen to a scaly smoothy explain things to them?). Saw Joel Osteen (or Olsteen?) on TV by accident and rediscovered why I find all these charlatan's so repugnant - the big money makers don't seem to be 'in it' for other people to me...and yet they claim to believe in God. Wow.
Pay taxes like everyone else? Wtf does that mean? 46% of Americans pay no Federal Income tax. Over 50% of all Corporations pay no Federal Income tax. Educational Institutions don't pay Federal Income tax or local property taxes so why should churches be taxed and colleges get off scott free? I mean besides anti-religious bigotry, which is a staple of the many bigotries held dear by Progressives.
let me get this right...its ok for muslims/islamists to degrade the christian God, burn the U.S. flag, etc.. but when somebody does it to them it turns into worldwide violence??? and believe me, if those idiots over there were allowed free speech, they would have TONS of films and cartoons degrading the christian God...can anyone say 'hipocrit'...truth is, they're just always looking for reasons to kill first and come up with a reason later...join the 21st century u ignorant cavemen!!!!
Wonder which billionaire that has to get Romney into office is paying for this. Probably those brothers or that idiot from Vegas. Rich will do anything to get their way - that does not stop at murder.
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Which Middle-East @!$%# hole are you from and what anti-American Islamic Group are your writing for?