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Subscribe to RSSThousands of Libyans stormed the headquarters of an Islamist militia group in Benghazi Friday night in a deadly exchange. NBC's Ayman Mohyeldin reports.
Updated 5:20 p.m. ET: An Islamist militia was driven out of the city of Benghazi early on Saturday in a surge of protest against the armed groups that control large parts of Libya more than a year after the overthrow of Moammar Gadhafi.
A spokesman for Ansar al-Shariah said the group had evacuated its bases in Benghazi "to preserve security in the city."
In a dramatic sign of Libya's fragility, the crowd swept through the base and went on to attack a pro-government militia, believing them to be Islamists, triggering an armed response in which at least 11 people were killed and more than 60 wounded, according to Reuters.
Ansar al-Shariah is the militant al-Qaida inspired group that some allege played a role in the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi that left four Americans dead, including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens.
White House: Libya consulate siege that killed four was 'terrorist attack'
The invasion of its compound, which met little resistance, appeared to be part of a coordinated sweep of militia bases by police, government troops and activists following a mass public demonstration against militia units in Benghazi on Friday.
The two main Islamist militias in Derna, a city in eastern Libya known as an Islamist stronghold, withdrew from their five military bases and announced they were disbanding, residents said on Saturday.
"Abu Slim had three camps and Ansar al-Sharia had two. So it's five. Empty. All empty," Siraj Shennib, a 29-year-old linguistics professor who has been part of protests against the militia, said by telephone.
Thousands of Libyans storm an Islamic militia group's base to show support for the country's government. MSNBC's Thomas Roberts and NBC's Atia Abawi report.
While the late Friday protests in Benghazi were planned in advance though social networking sites and flyers, the storming of the heavily armed militia headquarters took many by surprise.
Demonstrators pulled down militia flags and set a vehicle on fire inside what was once the base of Gadhafi's security forces who tried to put down the first protests that sparked last year's uprising.
Hundreds of men waving swords and even a meat cleaver chanted "Libya, Libya," "No more al-Qaida!" and "The blood we shed for freedom shall not go in vain!"
"After what happened at the American consulate, the people of Benghazi had enough of the extremists," demonstrator Hassan Ahmed said. "They did not give allegiance to the army. So the people broke in and they fled.
Analysis: 'Manufactured outrage' behind Middle East protests
Abdullah Doma / AFP - Getty Images
An armed Libyan man flashes the victory sign in front of a fire at the hardline Islamist group Ansar el-Sharia headquarters in Benghazi on Friday.
"This place is like the Bastille. This is where Gadhafi controlled Libya from, and then Ansar al-Shariah took it over. This is a turning point for the people of Benghazi."
'Benghazi will be your inferno!'
Adusalam al-Tarhouni, a government worker who arrived with the first wave of protesters, said several pickup trucks with Ansar fighters had initially confronted the protesters and opened fire. Two protesters were shot in the leg, he said.
"After that they got into their trucks and drove away," he said. Protesters had freed four prisoners found inside, he said.
Continuing to chant anti-Ansar slogans, the crowd, swelling into the thousands, moved on to try to storm a separate compound where the powerful pro-government Rafallah al-Sahati militia was entrusted with guarding a big weapons store, and opened fire on the assailants.
Looters carried weapons out of the compound as men chanted: "Say to Ansar al-Shariah: 'Benghazi will be your inferno!'"
As parts of the Muslim world fire up with anti-American protests, thousands rally to support America in Benghazi, Libya, where the U.S. ambassador and three others were killed a week earlier. NBC's Brian Williams reports.
Officials at three hospitals told a Reuters correspondent they had a total of five dead and more than 60 wounded from the night's violence.
A trail of blood near two abandoned cars led police to six more dead bodies near the Rafallah al-Sahati compound on Saturday morning, police officer Ahmed Ali Agouri said.
"We came as peaceful protesters. When we got there they started shooting at us," student Sanad al-Barani said. "Five people were wounded beside me. They used 14.5 mm machineguns."
After Libya, renewed questions about al-Qaida
The withdrawal of Ansar al-Shariah across Benghazi and the huge outpouring of public support for the government suggests an extraordinary transformation in a country where the authorities had seemed largely powerless to curb the influence of militia groups armed with heavy weapons.
Nevertheless, Ansar al-Shariah and other Islamist militias have bases elsewhere in eastern Libya, notably around the coastal city of Derna, known across the region as a major recruitment centre for fighters who joined the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria.
'No to militias'
The militias, a legacy of the rag-tag popular forces that fought Gadhafi's regime, tout themselves as protectors of Libya's revolution, providing security where police cannot. But they now face public criticism and are accused of acting like gangs, detaining and intimidating rivals and carrying out killings.
Abdullah Doma / AFP - Getty Images
Thousands of people march in Benghazi during a protest against militias on Friday. The Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Consulate that killed four Americans was the spark that ignited growing frustration with the armed groups that have proliferated since the ouster of Moammar Gadhafi.
Libyan military chief of staff Youssef al-Mangoush said three big militias — Rafallah Sahati, Feb. 17 and Libya Shield — are considered "pro-government" and warned protesters against pushing for what he described as "counter-revolution" goals. The government heavily depended on Rafallah Sahati, for example, to secure Benghazi during the country's first national elections in July in decades. The militia took its name from an Islamist fighter who battled fiercely against Gadhafi's forces earlier in the revolution.
But most of Libya's militias still answer to their commanders before the state. Protesters, like those on Friday, want the fighters to be trained outside Benghazi and follow state army orders as individual soldiers and not as part of a militia. Many of the militiamen are unruly and undisciplined civilians who raised arms during the eight-month war.
Mohammed al-Megarif, head of Libya's General National Congress, ordered protesters to leave alone militias that are "under state legitimacy, and go home." Nearly seven hours of clashes ended shortly after his demand that was broadcast on local Libyan TV channels.
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Although the main demands of the marchers on Friday did not mention the attack on the U.S. Consulate, it seems to have provided a strong impetus for the authorities to rally support behind the country's weak government.
Some protesters carried signs reading "The ambassador was Libya's friend" and "Libya lost a friend," the AP reported.
"I don't want to see armed men wearing Afghani-style clothes stopping me in the street to give me orders, I only want to see people in uniform," said Omar Mohammed, a university student who took part in the takeover told AP.
The Associated Press, Reuters and NBC News' Ayman Mohyeldin, and Kari Huus contributed to this report.
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About time that the news reported factions in Libya that actually appreciate American presence there.
You do realize this is the same nation who danced in the streets everywhere when the Lockerbie bomber was returned home right?
How many film crews did you see at the protests against the U.S. embassy? Notice that they even refrained from chanting "Allah Akbar" which is mandatory for any muslim gathering. Why? because it would not play well to the American audience.
"O.K. guys make it look good and you'll get your $10 when the filming is done... the buildings are empty and the militias will be back tomorrow morning... so lets get this wrapped up....Everybody on 3,2,1.... "No Militias" now march and wave fists, good ,good....."
If you can't spot a staged march to lessen the criticism the Libya leadership has received and to ensure the foreign aid continues flowing in then you haven't been around long.
True support would have happened immediately in the wake of such atrocities... not orchestrated a week later and against empty buildings.
This is also the nation that is now democratic and deserves some time to settle in and toss out the insurgents.
Hopefully this is the trend of things to come and not the exception.
It's always hard to project the acts of a few onto the consciousness of the whole, but in this case I truly hope this sentiment is the one that permeates throughout Libya as a whole.
You wish pjam09!
pjam09
You seriously need to learn the difference between presumed or inferred information and actual facts. Virtually every "fact" you state is a second or third order conclusion that requires some conspiracy or special trick... in other words they're bull@!$%#... in other words YOU MADE IT UP.
Time will tell but this is an excellant start. Now if the citizens in all the other nations start standing up to and ousting the terrorists from their communities and especially from their religions as well.
A little fresh air helps to breath a little easier after the smoke has cleared.
Perhaps one day I really will visit Lepsis Magna, or Cyrene. Or Tripoli. I've already been to Egypt. I'd love to go.
@pjam
What is your problem that all you can do is spread doom and gloom. Yours must be a very sad, dark, scary world. It's like listening to the RNC all over again. Nothing but negativity.
Here's something positive for you pjam, you're a total joke. How's that pjam? Well, it's positive to me. I wanted to call you worse but I didn't want to get too positive, so to speak.
Yeah, and they are only doing that because they know how ineffective our President is on foreign policy and they want him to win.
I find it interesting that the mainstream media has downplayed what has been happening in the middle east, all the protests that have been happening, the burnings of the American Flag, the attacks on American businesses, the death of our ambassador, and three others.
The only story they report is this one, which I think the actions are great, but it's a little too little, a little too late.
@ pjam09.......... You are on target. The fact that THEY were demanding that the radicals give up their weapons is a "BIG RED FLAG". The media and our government is "baiting" us in advance to hit us with the same thing...... to give up our gun rights !
This really has me in wow, i hope it's genuine. To pjam09 seems like you hope it's fake, not everyone in the world who disagree with you are evil, more so with you who seems full of hate, hate just leads to more hate and bad things.
Woot Go guys go , Good hunting and Fight for your Freedoms !
Somehow, everything that happens in that area seems to become a problem for the U.S. Even things that appear on the outside to be "Pro-US". Come on people, you think this is a sing the extremism mentality is melting away? If you do, please find the nearest exit to your bubble and come into the real world.
Aralee - If by downplayed you mean I cannot go to any major internet news homepage, or turn on the TV or radio without hearing about what is happening in the Middle East, especially the inexcusable violent reaction to the recently posted Youtube video, then you are right. But then again, that is not what downplayed means. Try again.
I want to know how many times you've participated in protest in which the possibility that a powerful group would kill you was present? You do realize without great coordination and absolute certainty that large numbers would flock to this protest, that it could have been nothing than a bloodbath, don't you?
Tea Party and Left-Wing civil rights protests have NOTHING on protesting a weaponized, fanaticized group in the middle east. Amirite?
this country is about as democratic as russia
In other words, this was nothing like getting together over the span of a few days to support the free speech of Chik-Fil-A, and it was nothing like the counter-protest of that protest, which also took only a few days. When you know your protest is not likely to end in your death, it's a little bit easier to get it started and see it through.
That being said, I am not trying to advocate my certainty in the authenticity of this protest, only that your argument is baseless and demonstrates a complete misunderstaning of context and nuance.
Seems RWNJ's are complaining that REALITY has a LIBERAL BIAS.
Pjam09, Aralee, get used to reality surprising you.
America has its own taliban.
It will take more then one demonstration with people taking turns holding up the same sign and one supposed organized Temporary take over of a radical groups headquarters to convince me that these people are serious about removing the radical element from their country so forgive me if I don't show excitement, it does have a staged look about it was the authors name Obama. now if they show persistence and achieve some lasting results then I might believe they have some Earnest feelings, till I see the vigor and the relentless and persistent pressure as in there other demonstrations I'm not buying into the program, its to little to late and not very convincing. it just doesn't have that real feeling about it, and America with the exception of a few in high places has realized that the Muslims like nothing better then to con and lie to the Infidels, and so do our people in power, the deal in the beginning was that these people would disarm after the revolution, why didn't they, that was the agreement for us to help them. they should get no more US assistance till they comply, Europe can deal with them as they please. as for the US we had a deal and they broke it then they committed 4 murders and acts of vandalism and terror. our reward for helping them.
Yea pjam,sounds a little like whats going on between the Democrats and Republicans in this country except a wee less violent in action but definitely not in words..how much more BS I can take I do not know but the lack of compromise is definitely disturbing and the sad things is thats exactky what both sides want,people to feel disturbed,get them outside of their 'comfort zone'...well we saw what happened when we voted inside our 'comfort zone' in 04 dayum near broke the piggybank.We will not do this again will we??.I hope not,and as for Libya,this is a genuine protest,how would you feel if armed men took your family away and shot them for aminor offense.People in Libya did'nt vote for that.I hope they want to be able to put their guns down and get down to actual government business,think they are as sick of idealist fanatics as much as the American people are..
This is the middle east..we all know they're not that smart..so don't tell me our CIA wasn't involved in this.
I think this is a case of a group of young and educated people who are tired of religious fanatics recruiting other young people and talking them into killing and dying in the name of their god and prophet. I think it ties in with the girl in Iran who slam-dunked that cleric's butt for telling her she needed to cover up. No matter how desperately these Middle Eastern countries try to suppress the Internet and other forms of quick communications, information still gets to the people who intelligent enough to understand what is really going on and who are controlling the mobs to promote their barbaric agenda. The people controlling these mobs want power, not for their god, but for themselves. Like Osama bin Ladin, they want to live in multimillion dollar compounds while their thousands of pawns do all the killing and dying.
Remember, these militants (no matter what our government has been telling us and what has been reported in our own State controlled media) were planning this attack for at least several weeks if no months. It took time for this counter protest to organize and build its numbers and support.
I love to read stories like this. It's heartening to see Muslims standing up for a normal life, even in the face of armed militant groups seeking only to dominate them. If they'd all stand up like that, groups like al-Qaeda and the Taliban wouldn't last the year.
LOI... to think some of you think this is US govt plot to take away your guns . It sounds more to me like some decent people who are sick of being terrorized by violent roving gangs . I am as liberal as they come and I know no one who wants to take guns away from lawful americans, only criminals. Wish there was an easy answer.
This is a great story, So far the US has not alienated the Libians with our usual heavyhanded approach. Well done Prez and Hillary!!
I agree AG99, and at the same time recognize it would be nothing but words if I said I would do the same, especially as a father of two.
If it is authentic, to protest in such a situation demonstrates a level of bravery I have never had to demonstrate in my own life. Each and every one of those protestors knows the price of their protest could be their life, and possibly the lives of family members.
This keeps up and many of the American right wingers will keel over and die. "pjam" at #1.1 above, is indicative of these fools craziness. Good for the people of Libya.
And Jeff, I am not as liberal as they come, and yet I do not and hope not to ever find it a necessity to own a gun. That being said, I have no problem with stable, law-abiding citizens owning them for sport, food, collecting, or whatever.
Like you, I find the rhetoric that the government is on the verge of taking away guns to be a great source of laughter. There is absolutely no evidence other than people making great stretches of the imagination as in this case, and other high profile cases involving weapons.
i would like to see this continue, but sadly it would take a whole nation to tell the religious leaders to f@#k off and thats not gonna happen, they are too set in their ways, and fear of reprisals keeps a lot of people from stepping up to the plate.....in othere words this looks good on paper, but its up to them to make it work, and we all know what the track record is.................not good
just another example that if we would let the middle east start policing itself things would turn out much better in the long run for us and them.
eric1964....well said...lets stay the hell out of there and everywhere else we are not wanted...stop the expensive ( in money and lives) nation-building crap and fix our own country.
Hard to deny anything you said there kilroy. Even so, if this protest was authentic, I applaud the resolve of those involved.
Wow, these idiots haven't learned that true democratic civic activism means posting comments at the bottom of stories on the internet...
Kudos to your wit sir, or madam. Your name is ambiguous (well, in the gender manner at least).
I hope this is exactly what it looks like....Libyans taking control of their own destiny and wanting to live in peace.
I think they know that extremist will only bring them the same problems they have had for years under a dictator.
IMHO,
America has its own taliban
Yes it does. They're called political ideologues and they infest both political parties. By the way, there IS a liberal bias to the mainstream media. If there wasn't, how exactly do you explain the fact that every poll that comes out of NBC, CBS, CNN etc. are all slanted towards Democrats hmmmm? They give you the exact numbers of people that they poll and there are almost always more Democrats than Republicans and Independents. Don't believe me? Look at the numbers they post on the polls themselves. It's right there in black and white.
I'm not even a Republican and I can see it. Take the ideological blinders off sometime.
As for this incident in Libya, time will tell whether or not it was genuine and whether or not it actually has any kind of long term impact. I would love to believe that this is a sign that at least some in the Islamic world have decided to take an active stand against the fanatics in their religion, but it is far too early to tell.
They have much to overcome.
Makes you believe that there is some hope for a better tomorrow. May this be a trend rather than the exception.
(Warning: Sarcasm) Yes Libya did this just for the benefit of the U.S. because everyone knows the universe revolves around the U.S..
It was done for the benefit of English speaking people.
Note the language on their protest signs.
Congrats to ALL the LIBYANS that finally decided to join the rest of the FREE WORLD---I wish you and your country well and IN the event that you find that YOU NEED and WANT our help I would bet that YOU WILL SEE MANY REAL AMERICANS offering to help you.
OUR Government WON't say these things BECAUSE they are totally screwed up but WE the PEOPLE of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA will.
I didn't say HOW many were MUSLIM--and IT doesn't really matter because YOU just wrote a NEW PAGE in your QURAN---and TOOK steps to insure your FUTURE--in a FREE COUNTRY.
GOD BLESS and GOOD LUCK--A Day that will go down in HISTORY!!
This is EXCITING news. It's nice to see EDUCATED, MODERATE Muslims FINALLY standing up to these extremists.
And to all you DUMB, SKEPTICAL TEABAGGERS posting above - Movements like this HAVE to start SOMEWHERE. I believe this is a genuine movement and the SILENT MAJORITY of DECENT Muslims are finally making their voices heard.
Guess this brings back bad memories (to all you TEABAGGERS) of a similar story in THIS country about 52 years ago. The BRAVE WOMAN'S name was ROSA PARKS and she had decided that she had ENOUGH of WHITE REDNECK, CONSERVATIVE, CHRISTIAN HYPOCRITE TRASH CONTROLLING THE LIVES OF AFRICAN AMERICANS & OTHER MINORITIES!!
Notice how the rt wingers always cheer if something bad happens to the United states and whine when something good happens to the united States?
So programmed that way since Rove and Norquist took over the republican party along with the extreme rt wingers Tea Baggers.
The night President Obama took office 14-15 republican politicians and Frank Lutz of Fox news met to pledge to vote against any bill that would make president Obama look good in the next election in 2012. pledged to vote against the country for 4 years to make president Obama a one term president. And obstruct they did in record amounts! After obstructing the recovery of America for almost 4 years, the repubs whine that the recovery which they tried to stop is not good enough! John Boehner even told his fellow repubs not to have anything to do with Lutz from fox because he was toxic, so they did not invite him to the pledge meeting.
Stand up and shout for the recovery of America, stand against the rt wingers who pledge to take the nation down.
Vote President Obama/Biden and Team Democratic Party 2012.
a lot of folks are missing the point, since America and our NATO allies's, France, England, Germany, Turkey, etc intervened in the genocidal wet dream of Qaddafi and assisted the Libyan people in gaining democratic control of their country, that their attitudes toward the alliance has changed and they are truly appreciative of America's support during their darkest hours. Its a young democracy, it has been under autocratic rule since forever, it will take time for their freedom movement to coalesce, but this is a strong step in the right direction.
Brent - Did you watch the video? Of course not. Not a single English sign in the bunch. Did you think that the English translations in the article represented the actual signs? Where are these English signs you speak of because I may have missed them.
Otherwise, turn off the TV. It's worse for your brains than drugs.
READING some of the other posts I find it astounding that MANY LIBERALS seem to think this is theOBAMAS DOING---HE and his joker Biden had NOTHING to do with this happening in LIBYA---IF anything OBAM and his other MINIONS should be ashamed of HOW THEY ACTED over the last 2 weeks---
THEY ALL OWE us--WE the PEOPLE an APOLOGY FOR ALL THE LIES and BULL SH*T SWILL that they have TRIED to pass out AND accept the RESPONSIBILITY for their ROYAL SCREW UP --NOT paying any ATTENTION to the ADVANCE WARNINGS that were passed to them---IN MY BOOK OBAMA--CLINTON and ANY OTHER what "TOUCHED" those WARNINGS and did NOTHING is JUST as GUILTY of MURDER as the TRASH that PULLED THE TRIGGER---
ONE WORD to DESCRIBE what YOU---OBAMA and YOU HILLERY are---DESPICABLE--and FURTHER YOU OBAMA DO NOT DESERVE to be in OUR WHITE HOUSE---
NOVEMBER YOU ARE OUT OBAMA--and NOVEMBER can't COME SOON ENOUGH!
SHAME that YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN HONEST OR TOLD WE the PEOPLE the TRUTH ----OBAMA!!
This just in. A note has been received from a Mr. Arab Spring. It says "The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated."
pjam09, you realize that when they cheered the Lockerbie bomber Qaddafi was still in charge and not going to the welcome could have gotten them killed right?
Wrong thread earthycat. We are not talking about religion, rather a group of Libyans who rebelled against a terrorist group. Take your logical fallacies and ignorant bait to the herds. They are more likely to bite.
jsucusmc69 - man, there must be a wrong sign or something because you seem to be lost too. Most of the intelligent discussion here has nothing to do with your scapegoat Obama, rather a group of Libyans who have risked their lives to rebel against terrorists sure to squash the freedom they seem to desire. I'm not sure which thread you are looking for, but it does not seem to be this one.
Not everyone, and especially those who give this country true hope, are interested in your tired and contrived partisanship.
and earthycat, yeah, you have the choice to deny Christ and God, and though that may not bring you death, it will bring you eternal hell, so what is your point there?
and where did Christ specifically point out Mohammad, a prophet who lived 500 years later, as one who was false? That Mohammad is a false prophet according to Christ is a leap in imagination that only men have made. I will reserve the judgment for God, as Christians are told to do.
Earthcat 777.... that about sums it up! Thank you... I'm coping it to distribute!
Go up and read the collapsed comment by pjam09. Then think about how quick these things really happen.
Wow, I wonder where the SofS came up with so many people in such short notice to over-run the militant "base".
Next news headline: "This was all spontaneous and had nothing to do with the terror in the region."
Awesome.
It's great. If they can come together and do this (30K!), can you imagine how many soccer fans would show up to cheer for a National Libyan team? Wonderful to see, I add my wishes for their peace and prosperity.
I take that as a positive sign that people are getting sick of factions causing unrest and they want to move forward as a society....now we just need to get our crazy conservative/GOP/Tea Baggers under control in our country so we can begin to also move forward. Its time that our masses of realistic thinking people put out the fires that the GOP have started and work together...its been long enough and enough is enough. Its time we rebuild and heal our nation TOGETHER without obstructions...Aperson can choose to be part of the problem or part of the SOLUTION. Reality can be a tough thing to swallow and hopefully when obama is re-elected we will have choked down the aftergurth left by the unnecessary attacks inflicted by our own GOP on us. Lies are much harder to maintain than the truth and eventually it unravels like what is happening with republicans now..maybe we can fix this now? or we will become the third world country..Im prayin and voting for america and obama...and reality, facts and reasoning...we all know this.
pjam09 A very good assessment after all Libya and Egypt are controlled by the muslim brotherhood and al-qaeda. Sure they have a "government and military" but the muslime brotherhood is running the show.
Those of you that doubt this ask yourself. What would I do for 2 Billion dollars??? Thats how much money Obama is getting ready to send them starting in October.
Would you gather a few thousand people and make a video showing your support for the people giving up $2 BILLION dollars???
Consider this. Since Obama helped the muslime brotherhood overthrow the governments of these 2 countries he has sent them $2.5 BILLION dollars. Both of these countries have money and resources beyound imagination ( Libya debt free with billions in reserve) yet Obama has sent them $2.5 BILLION dollars of your money borrowed from the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve is a private bank just in case you did not know.
So once again we are posed the question.
Why is Obama sending billions of dollars to terrorists that control 2 of the richest countries in the world???
FORWARD?????
Starsailing, what is the problem with actually discussing the content of an article rather than constantly spewing the same thing over and over again???? So sick of hearing about how great and wise you think Obama is and how evil and nasty all republicans are. Throw out the old broken record already!!!!!
This, more then anything goes to show they aren't all the militants... And it's a positive step, first they got rid of Gadafi, the extremists remained. Get rid of them, and it's a positive step in getting back their country for all those who simply want to be able to live their lives without all of that hanging over their heads.
And bensgpa, you HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. You'd be hard pressed to find many a huntsman, many who are for gun rights in the main, to be in favor of either arming terrorists, millitants, or seeing those who intend to kill as such, armed to the teeth, complete with bomb vests designed to blow everyone up. Wanting a right to self defence doesn't mean they'd be the first in line to go selling a gun to people like Timothy McVeigh or the guy who shot up the Sikh temple in WI; let along to an Al Quida type group. Seriously? OMG, I have seen very few who want the right to hunt, or protect their loved ones, actually rally for the arming of insane crimminals and terrorists :o
Interesting Story But Mostly Irrelevant.........This New CBS Story Link Is Much More Relevant!
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/report-never-anti-american-protest-benghazi-only-planned-attack_652761.html
Even CBS Now Admits Back Door Barry & Billary Have Been Blowing Smoke Up The American People's A$$ From The Get Go On This Al Qaeda Staged Benghazi Attack.
Remember Both Barry & Hillary Said It Was A Spontaneous Mob When They Knew It Wasn't, They Both Claimed It Was Without Warning When They Knew At Least 48 Hours Advanced.
And Yet The Obomination Sure Took Advantage Of The Dead Americans Photo Opportunity Now Didn't He? All The Sad Faces and Flag Draped Coffins Making bin NOBODY Obama Look SOooo MACHO!
The Problem Reaction Solution Paradigm (The Hegelian Dialectic) 1) The government creates or exploits a problem blaming it on others 2) The people react by asking the government for help willing to give up their rights 3) The government offers the solution that was planned long before the crisis
http://www.indexoftheweb.com/911Why.htm
Wall Streets Political Minions Caught Red Handed Hard At Work Stealing Our Freedoms Once Again!
Don't Believe? Watch This New PBS Documentary!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l-8PFk8j5I
Obama (Bush & Cheney) To The Hague In 2013 For Not War Crimes & Crimes Against Humanity!
Sue says "This country is about as democratic as Russia."
Comparing a country whose fledgling Democratic system is a few months old to a county that has been "democratic" for 20 years.
That's a Hell of a good start.
Libya has been the most successful overthrow in favor of freedom in the entire Middle East - Do not discount progress with thought unthinkable only two years ago.
American narcissism... it's always, always all about us-- even when it isn't.
The CIA wasn't Redacted this. What next the Mossad.
The Sh!t On a Shingle (SOS) does not have that capability.
Just a Hypothetical.
Imagine an Agency created by US Congressional Mandate. That has all the input from CIA, NSA, DIA, NRO, USAMRIID, DARPA, NASA, CDC, the USN Intelligence, US Army Intelligence, USAF Intelligence, USMC, Law Enforcement at all levels and their International counterparts; as well as being able to use their assets if necessary.
So Redacted to come up with a solution.
So one of this Agency's Deputy Directors, Redacted. that were loyal to the previous Government of Nation X, that are now disenfranchised.
Like I stated this is all Hypothetical.
If you have ever had any dealing with Arabs you would know, Lying is how part of there DNA...They never say what they mean and Never mean what they say....Just like B.O.
It gets very tiresome to live with extremism. It gets very tiresome to live under fear and autocratic bullies. It is not only tiresome, it is deadly. Perhaps these people are very tired of living and suffering under brutal terrorists and, rather like some brave people who live in gangland enclaves and who work to take their neighborhoods back, perhaps these people wanted to take their lives back. One can only hope that this becomes a growing trend throughout the middle east. Time will tell.
It's not very often that I log on and can read something good going on in this world.
This got me to smile.
To the peaceful people of Libya. Thank you! And may your god watch over you and keep you safe.
Some Libyans are showing that Not all Muslims are for the extremist militant. Glad that they can look past a stupid movie or cartoon and not take those kind of offensive insults seriously. It is freedom of speech for the Muslims also, and anyone can say what they want as long as they do not endanger another fellow human. i.e. yelling fire in a crowed theater that causes people to get injured or killed while attempting to exit the bldg. The smart Cristian and Muslims understand that only the beneficial text provided by the bible and Koran should be followed. The rest is just something to read about, and not act upon.
Something GOOD has happened. Average people stood up against armed haters and prevailed.
Is this not what the right was screeching for? Muslims standing against terrorism?? Well, here ya go. Oh, what's that??? It was staged?? It wasn't real??? WTF is the matter with you?? Even when something good happens all you can spew is gloom, doom, and hate. Oh, and ya, It's Obama's fault.
Maybe it's time, actually WAY past time, the Peace loving Americans stand up to all the hate and greed in THIS country.
No more greedy bankers stealing your homes, no more Romneys to steal your pensions and put you out of work. No more war on women, No more war on _______,(fill in the blank) NO MORE WAR!!!!
We still have the Vote. USE IT!!!
I'll be voting for Peace, which rules out mittens n Lyan.
Much Love n Peace,
Da "Libby" Pup
>:o):
Killing is easy, it's living with it afterwards that's the hard part. I worry most about people who have no problem killing people. That's my point of veiw as a person who has lived through war.
A dozen Libyas were killed or wounded defending those Amricans on the night of the attack. After 9/11 countless Muslims clerics and leaders spoke out against the extremism, and many continue to. These facts don't make it into the headlines very often, but a simple internet search will find them.
The attack on our ambassador in Libya was most likely an act planned and carried out by extreme terrorists. But at the same time many Muslim nations are protesting a certain film that you all have heard about. Don't you think that every American leader should condemn that film as not representing American values, just as Muslim leaders condemned the 9/11 attackers as not representing Muslim values? Or do you think, as some comments that I have read, that that film of extraordinarily inflammatory lies does repreesnt your values?
Keep up the good work.
People want to see the other side of the coin. They want to see our troops on fire and dragged through the streets or see childrens heads spattered against walls or women raped. because it angers them and they want to be angry at something, anything so they have something to focus on other than their miserable existence. When the news delivers that, they're content with posting in all caps lock and abusing the exclamation points.
But when something like this happens and we see that people are willing to side with the US, they don't want to see it. They want to see the blood and gore and hear the awful stuff so that they don't have a reason to sit back and realize that an entire country is not full of twatwaffles because that totally undermines their belief that we should kill every single one of them.
Nobody heard of the film trailer till the event happened with the ambassador...and shazam it happened on 9/11, add to that warnings from our in-tell on Libya, Marines without live ammo, and the killing of some other terrorist nasty in a drone strike earlier and this makes sense....the film does not.
Why did nobody riot over Religulous? It has 20 minutes of rant against Islam.
Our values stand with free speech and publicly putting the maker of the film on camera and showing his address is the nastiest thing we could do----free speech is only hard when it is not of your view, yet it must be supported. The Founders would agree.
Atop that the article here is deflated at best-----hope then let down from the opener that caught most peoples eye, peppered with glimmers of hope, then some honesty.
"Although the main demands of the marchers did not mention the attack on the U.S. Consulate, it seems to have provided a strong impetus for the authorities to rally support behind the country's weak government".
So what does this mean other than trying to make us feel better about a sodomized and murdered AMERICAN ambassador and a president who should of followed in-tell and not done his usual; skip in-tell meetings and go out campaigning mentioning briefly during one stop a minute of remorse before breaking back into jokes and rhetoric. That is not spin, it is the truth and where is the media on this? What if it were Bush?
This is awful and there is no joy in Mudville here in this piece or there in that place. There is failings all around and fingers pointing every which direction......when did congress authorize the invasion of this country???? What exactly WAS a "kinetic military action"?
People ask who will spin this.....how about this, when will the Obama administration exact out punishment that is swift and not point the finger at someone who can't defend themselves.....like a person speaking out about the murder of Coptic Christians by muslims and the grating hate he reasonably has for them?
By the way----the add that is running over there by the pres and Hillary IS giving this thing fuel....a film nobody has seen. Uh-huh....and a tree fall in the woods....and nobody is around.
Well, I guess this could be a good sign and I hope that things really continue to go like this. But I doubt it. In the end, i'm still a firm believer that we need to cut all of these Countries off once and for all. Let them have their Allah and their whatever else and let's just cut 'em loose. Just my opinion though.....
Now we have every reason to PANIC! X_X
The anti-American wingnut lunatic fringe of gun-nuts, fake "militia," and other assorted deranged right wing extremist freaks had better take notice of these events, because they are exactly the sort of push-back they will get if they continue to escalate their armed opposition to Constitution and rule of law, which includes their support of election thefts by monied fascists.
No more OK Cities. No more effort to establish a permanent one-party dictatorship.
Is there anybody who believes that it is possible to have 1.6 billion people of any kind, all have the exact same opinions, dispositions etc?
not all Christians are good, not all Jews are good, not all Muslims are good. and in kind, not all christians are bad, not all jews are bad and not all muslims are bad. The biggest problem we have and biggest weapon the right wing anywhere, has. is the ability to convince the population that they are in one box or the other. that is "us against them". that "your with us us or against us". they divide us. we all need to fight back morally and verbally. And tell them that we are Americans, and we will not be packaged into neat little boxes. And we need to stop thinking people of other nations all fit into neat little boxes too.
It amazes me that this should happen, as there are very few Muslims who don't hate us. The Gulf War-Kuwait, Afghan War, Iraq War. To most Muslims and this American we Americans seem to love wars, even when unjust. The problem is that it has cost us $4,000,000,000,000 and the wasting of 7,500 American lives. Thank you bush family for this disgusting display for America. Thank you Libyans who still support us regardless!
My belief system puts this a bit simpler:
It's what you do that matters, not whose Name you do it in.
NBC National BULL@!$%# corporation
This liberal website and propaganda arm for the white house is only printing stories that help oba-mao-alini aka oblama.
They avoid any story that could hurt their man.
You want more CHAOS and financial collapse go ahead and vote for the DIVIDER in chief and the most pathetic president since carter.
FOX unfair and unbalanced B@11 C^@p Network of Lies! Terrorist like announcers who are getting more out of control!
The Chaos comes when the DO Nothing House and bonehead Boehner leave after voting down the Veterans to Work Bill, Let the Farm bill expire and think they have done anything this year for Americans. There is you Divider. I hate republican and teabuggers. Vote them out so they don't return next year to DO Nothing Again!
Carolinaputz- This should be front page news, yet since someone is appreciative of the US there are only little stories about it. Just goes to show that the media is biased and promote anything anti US.
This is of course cia but still it is good. Nothing is truly spontaneous. The fact that the they would even screw our vets is truly evil. Call them up and left them in the 47% then talk trash about them. We need to put the democrats back in control they make good job http://www.huffingtonpost.com/colin-gordon/job-creation-political-parties-_b_1901015.html
the 'good' folk in Libya know who butters their bread... the USA! And to make sure we took notice, their signs were in English. The libbie posters don't see the irony! But of course they are the base for Barack Hussein Obama
Romney/Ryan 2012 Lets end the sham of the last 3.5 years!
HA ....it seems like at long last the "silent majority" has finally come out and spoken .....
Isn't this what everybody wanted ?
Well it happened - right ? .....30,000 muslims came out on the streets and chased the hate mongering terrorists bastards back into their hole.
30,000 muslims who consider USA their friend...
But I see that the hate mongering rightie scum posting on this board seem completely unmoved by this unprecedented development ....they keep parroting the same "all muslims are bad and they hate us for our freedoms" bull@!$%# ....One such moron is the one who has posted right above my post....
I think it is time for the sane decent peaceful people in this country too to come out on the streets and beat back these rightie scum back into their holes before they become the kind of problem that the middle east is facing with their religious nuts ...
Sorry Gunga Dinwit.... it is the libbies who love the violence and despair, so they can fly in a create a little government dependency.... the libbie anwer to all problems. Their hatred of anyone who doesn't subscribe to that socialist agenda is proven by your bitter post!
No one does hatred like the left and Barry O is the leader of that hate! I weep for our kids who will have to unwind obama's mess!
I'd like to see this sort of thing happen in the US. We have to many cities and towns and neighborhoods under siege from Gangs. The cops don't want to win the fight because a high crime rate and gang activity keeps their budgets increasing. They do just enough to make people think they're trying but they aren't going to shoot the goose that laid the golden egg. The only way we will get rid of these gangs is to put them in the ground once and for all.
Contrary to GOPTP and Christian extremist rhetoric people in the Muslim world are for the most part very much like all other people.
It's worth noting that we MADE a lot of our own trouble with a long-term policy of insisting that every nation be involved in the US/Soviet rivalry, even if that meant propping up dictators and supporting tyranny in other nations. If you think otherwise review the history of Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
Hummmmmmmmmmmm ~~~~~ Tck tock ~~~~~~~~~~ the pendulum goes back and forth..... A good sign ..
The middle east & north Africa are ready for democracy ... it will take a little time, and it will be different than what we have, (ours has evolved from 800 years of western conflict & culture ....) theirs may be religious based, as their culture is.
Let them work it out .... it may not be what you want it to be .... but it will be theirs ... not yours..
LMarcT - Thank-you for injecting a bit of common sense into the discussion.
Everybody is so sure they know what is going on in Libya today, and what will happen tomorrow. Many are certain that the U.S. support of last year's revolution was a big mistake, one which they, or their favored politician, would never have made.
Nobody knows how the post-Khadafi Libya will evolve. But one thing is certain, Khadafi was not going to remain in power forever. Some other power structure was bound to evolve at his passing. Right now the Libyan people, which is a somewhat tribal society has decisions to make about their future. We can try to influence the course of events. We cannot control it.
The same is true of Tunisia, of Egypt and of Syria.
Free Market fan, So you support us still being in Granada, Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany S. Korea, Japan etc. That is not libby talk that is right wing conservatism! That is real Free Market!
READING some of the other posts I find it astounding that MANY LIBERALS seem to think this is theOBAMAS DOING---HE and his joker Biden had NOTHING to do with this happening in LIBYA---IF anything OBAM and his other MINIONS should be ashamed of HOW THEY ACTED over the last 2 weeks---
THEY ALL OWE us--WE the PEOPLE an APOLOGY FOR ALL THE LIES and BULL SH*T SWILL that they have TRIED to pass out AND accept the RESPONSIBILITY for their ROYAL SCREW UP --NOT paying any ATTENTION to the ADVANCE WARNINGS that were passed to them---IN MY BOOK OBAMA--CLINTON and ANY OTHER what "TOUCHED" those WARNINGS and did NOTHING is JUST as GUILTY of MURDER as the TRASH that PULLED THE TRIGGER---
ONE WORD to DESCRIBE what YOU---OBAMA and YOU HILLERY are---DESPICABLE--and FURTHER YOU OBAMA DO NOT DESERVE to be in OUR WHITE HOUSE---
NOVEMBER YOU ARE OUT OBAMA--and NOVEMBER can't COME SOON ENOUGH!
SHAME that YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN HONEST OR TOLD WE the PEOPLE the TRUTH ----OBAMA
In reply to disgusted, post #1.42.
I do not watch much television, though with football season back, my TV will see some more use.
I did just happen to tune into the CBS This Morning show. I estimate 45-50% of the carried signs to be written in English. I saw them with my own eyes.
Maybe you should get facts before opening your disgusting mouth!
The stronghold the militias were driven from contained abandoned armaments.
The protesters began looting and at the dark of night, small arms fire rings out as everyone starts shooting in confusion.
@Mike-424215
"Time will tell but this is an excellant start. Now if the citizens in all the other nations start standing up to and ousting the terrorists from their communities and especially from their religions as well."
Totally agree with you Mike - including ousting their religions. This could equally apply to the USA - particularly the Tea Party (christian right infested) Republican Party.
If this story is accurate then I find no reason to think it was staged. It states the intent of the protest was originally to be peaceful until they were fired upon. Then they proceeded to protest a militia the govt deemed friendly. As for the number of days it took to protest. It was only recently that the govt admitted they didn't have the power to prevent the militia's from organizing such attacks. More than likely the people did protest on their own.
IMO, there appears to be a coordinated movement to establish govts like Iran throughout the region. Like Egypt, Libya will be overrun by the Islamists who are intolerant and oppressive.
In many ways I agree with disgusted in that these people are once again putting it all on the line for what they believe is right , and I applaud them for it . We only diverge when it comes to religion since I'm an atheist and he is obviously not , though I fail to see where that comes into play here .
I really do hope this idea of not allowing fanatics to control the masses will spread throughout the country and beyond , this in my opinion is a good start but it is something that has to come from within with no outside influence or it will never stick . Good luck Libya !
One thing that does sadden me though after reading this thread is how many people want to twist this into some sort of personal agenda , like bringing Obama into it or gun control into it etc ...
Those who remember my comments of past know I'm not exactly a fan of Obama although I'm also not a fan of Romney either so I guess I'm sort of neutral in that I think we are screwed no matter what .
The problem is that the militants are the ones who are armed. Kind of by definition, the moderates are not. The moderates also have jobs to worry about and families to take care of whereas the militants get paid - their JOB is to be militant.
Our habit of painting all of Islamdom with a single brush has worked against us. The leaders of Muslim countries are playing a double game - they tell us about the horrible militant problem they have, at the same time, they are telling their public how they are protecting us from the great Satan America.
By and large, the Arab spring is going to work in our favor, even if there's going to be chaos - assuming these countries manage to elect people whose authority comes from the legitimate consent of the governed and not from playing the US and the public off against each other. It is in our best efforts to support true democracy, even if the people who are first elected are anti-US. If we approach them honestly, it will not be difficult to show that their suspicion of America has no basis in reality.
Of course, this also means ignoring the xenophobes on our own side. Much depends on the upcoming election.
That's it in a nutshell! I remember when Isaac was threatening Tampa Bay and the RNC! You'd think it was Christmas because the liberals were jumping around for joy, praying for a hurricane!
Such hypocrisy... the left thrives on hate, yet continues to accuse the Right of being hate mongers, lmao!
Meanwhile our country is going down the toilet and obama plays side kick to late night talk hosts and spends more time entertaining Beyonce than attending White House security briefings. If he had been up to speed on the 3 DAY warning our embassy in Libya had of the trouble, maybe the ambassador and the others would still be alive. Obama through his neglect should be held responsible for those deaths!
The masses of nations that are friends to the US are seldom shown by our media, only the radicals of "organized chaos" make it to our TVs. They don't represent the true feelings of the nation any more than the OWS demonstrators represent the vast majority of Americans. Good story! Power to the Libyans who truly cherish freedom!
Carolinaputz: 'About time that the news reported factions in Libya that actually appreciate American presence there.'
Texson55: 'The masses of nations that are friends to the US are seldom shown by our media ....'
There you goes American jingoism. When will you realise that not everything is about America, that people elsewhere in the world can act for their own sake rather to please communist, jingoistic America?
So let's be clear NBC, the compound wasn't attacked by average street-level protesters, nor was it a spontaneous or "surprise" attack. If you were honest you would say it was a planned dog-and-pony attack by the government which likely forewarned the Al-Queda group that it was coming (as evidenced by virtually no resistance nor casualties in the fight for their compound). The government used a protest -- which similarly also often happened to promote Kahdafi in his day -- simply as a backdrop. This backfired when the average street-level protestors realized what was happening and that the government was behind it and turned on the pro-government militia in a fight where all the casualties occurred.
SURELY JIM SILVER, you will enlighten us with examples of liberals jumping around hoping and praying for a hurricane during the RNC. How over the edge can you be? Democrats WANTED the RNC to go on so the world could see just how fragmented and out of touch with reality the Republicans are! And they exceeded our expectations, especially poor ol' demented Clint. But, if that is another piece of nonsense that will fit into your little bitty box of weird beliefs, try to stuff it in there. After all, truth and reality just won't fit in it anymore. You might also refer back to 2008 when James Dobsen did precisely what you just claimed the Dems did - he called on his followers to pray to God for some sort of natural disaster to befall the DNC. So I'm beginning to see where you got your ridiculous idea in the first place. God knows, you're obviously not clever enough to come up with it on your own.
Now, about Obama not attending security briefings. Do you have clue one about how the president - any president - gets his security briefings? Your post indicates you don't. Security briefings COME TO THE PRESIDENT, THE PRESIDENT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO ANYWHERE! Got it now, numbnuts? You must think that when the president is out of his office, he uses an un-listed landline phone number so he won't be disturbed.
Honest to God, you guys get weirder by the day!
Funny thing is, jim silver, I do not recall any Democratic public figures jumping around for joy, nor any widespread celebrations by voters; it was pretty much a non-event, from start to finish.
What is curious is why any intelligently run political party would schedule a national convention in Florida, during the heart of the hurricane season.
Then again, who did they nominate for President? That might be a clue.
It is going to be a long, sad October for you and other conservatives, with a sadder November.
This event brought to you by Mr. Obama and paid for by the US taxpayers..
Islam is a cult of hate and as such should be illegal under US law.. Calling for murder and violence is the evidence.. Stop funding this cult of hat worshiped by idiots..
This Christian is glad you're so proud of your bigotry. It helps everyone see just how fringe and deeply twisted is the Conservative mindset.
How will Romney spin this?
How will Obama spin this?
And who will be the first to try ?
How about this?
"America can not lead from behind" is bs Mr. Romney
Apparently when we help a group instead of "nation building" we get some friends out of it
@K9kamper
I already knew how Romney spin on this. Attack first and check fact later, that is how he did it.
This is the one who you want to lead this country, attack first, get fact check later and make excuse for it?
I've spent two years in Iraq and to be quite honest this is a very nice surprise. It's a bit hard to stage 30,000 protesters (estimated) for something like this. I hope this is the direction that this country (and all of the Middle East) start to move towards. It's a nice surprise and I hope it sticks.
Spin this? Huh?
Don't get it. But, whether this was spontaneous or pre-planned it doesn't matter.
What matters is that this response, hopefully not only produced for Westerner's viewing, is viewed all throughout the middle east. Let people know that the oppression they deal with starts from within. It's OK to stand up for the freedom of your own HUMAN RIGHTS.
F*CK Radical Islam..... Get a hobby.
Barry might have commented on this but he's visiting the Kardashian's right now... hoping to secure another Entertainment Tonight sound bite!
Parac, I agree with you. This was not a staged uprising against the militants. When people in these countries get upset you see their true feelings come out. They really liked Stevens and hated that he was killed there. This is good to see. I am unhappy with the negative feelings that I see from the right. They are always angry and don't want to work with anyone for a better America. It is all about what they can get out of the country instead of what they can do to make it better. Romneys comments that were televised showed his true feelings about America as a whole not just the 47%. He is out for power and money and the people just don't matter unless they have the ability to give him that. Discard SS for older people? A plan which has always worked and will continue to work to protect the elderly. Cut medicare and give people vouchers which will in no way pay the costs of their health care? Get rid of medicaid which makes sure there is a place for old people who need nursing home care? Just think about it. Does anyone really believe this is what God would want? Does anyone really think God is saying "if people can't manage to save enough for their old age, just let them die in the streets"? People were put here for one reason and one reason only, to help one another. If you can't do that, you have failed in your human responsibilities. A great change comes after this election. The best choice for this election is Obama and Biden.
Emptychair - Wrong thread. Intelligent, non-partisan, reality outside of hyped mainstream media politics discussion going on here.
You can always spot a GOP FAUX News or BSNBC drone because they do nothing by spout empty rhetoric and create lame slogans and puns to rattle emotions. Problem is, you provide no substance.
@ # 2---BETTER question is HOW MANY LIES will the OBAMANATION and his MINIONS attempt to hand out.
ROMNNEY was the ONLY ONE that condemned what happened AS SOON As HE HEARD--ALL that CAME out of the CLOWN OBAMA and his fool CLINTON were SPIN and BULLSH*T--same from ALL of his MINIONS --
CLOWN OBAMA can't lead SO HIS SPOT is in the rear---BEHIND the REAL MEN !!
"The above was brought to you by a DHS-CERTIFIED TERRORIST---A VIETNAM COMBAT MARINE-AMONG OTHER PLACES-and SANDBOXES--a VETERAN with an ATTITUDE" jscusmc69 65-2005 USMC RVN 65&67
Why doesn't Romneywitz come out and ADMIT that he's really a ZIONIST JEW - NOT a mormon.
The BEST thing Romneywitz could do is don a Yarmuke and run for ISRAELI PM since he apparantly loves the CULTURE of BACKSTABBERS, CONNIVERS, and MANIPULATORS more than the USA!
I am not sure why some boneheads feel the need to rip on Obama in this thread. You may not want to give him any credit, but at least with Libya, I do not see any mishandling on his part. Your insults sound petty,
Same goes for the Romney digs
Like so many have said, what a wonferful story!!!
Hey You!!!! Fake jarhead!!!!! Yea @!$%# bird I'm talking to you!!!! Either you were a @!$%#bird or you were never in my Marine Corps. You should be ashamed of you're self insulting a the President of the United States of America! Apparently you never learned about being a Proud American or that insulting the President of the United States of America, you are insulting every man and woman serving this great country of ours as well as every individual who has died for this country!!!
USMC Retired 22 years
...mmmk
Once Again The Obomination Administration Is Attempting To Hide The Cover Up Of Bad Boy Barry's Setting Up A Photo Opportunity That His Al-Qaeda Supporters Manufactured Over OUR DEAD BODIES!!
Remember The Head Lines Just A Couple Of Days Ago.......Ambassador Rice: Benghazi attack began spontaneously....
And This Information.......
According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and "lockdown
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/revealed-inside-story-of-us-envoys-assassination-8135797.html
Of Course The American Dinosaur Media Doesn't DARE Cover This Story....Well TGFTI...And Here Is Some More....
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/01/us-usa-syria-obama-order-idUSBRE8701OK20120801
Obama inks 'secret order' to aid Syria rebels ... Syria : Obama approved covert CIA support for al Qaeda Rebels....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXTaRVf0BuU
Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444517304577653680320732176.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Pro-al Qaeda group seen behind deadly Benghazi attack
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-09-12/africa/world_africa_libya-attack-jihadists_1_qaeda-al-zawahiri-al-libi
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Next Let US Send Obama Bush & Cheney To The Hague For Not War Crimes / Crimes Against Humanity In 2013 And We Need To Start Working On Undoing The Damage Wall Streets Terrorists Have Done To US!
Really, you must have been US Military Conventional Warfare not US Military Asymmetric Warfare.
After President Clinton's US Law, H.R. 4655, "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" became US Law; Justification Section 2 Weapons of Mass Destruction; Section 3 Overthrow of President Hussein (aka Regime Change).
About a hundred thousand Shia were hired as assassins and insurgents to Overthrow Sunnis President Hussein. Of course they were not the brightest people around since they were Fundamentalist Islam (only knew the Holy Koran, as from where they learned to barely read and write). So it was obvious that they would get caught then turn each other in as deals with President Hussein's Intelligence Agency and Iraqis Military. The hundred thousand were caught tried and executed as Traitors. We barely escaped. President Clinton spun this to "Dictator Massacres his Own People". So after this failure, President Clinton as Commander In Chief orders that airstrikes and cruisemissile attacks of the urban poor areas of Baghdad, his justification that if the Iraqis Government is destroyed there will be no one to negotiate Peace; in writing we opposed as we knew that you do not f**k with the poor of Islam.
After the attacks the Islamic World Declared the US "The Great Satan". Many neutral Islamic Believers started to join the "Islamic Holy Warriors" aka Islamic Jihadists.
An example of what we would do today, would be to twitter, facebook, etc. that Taco Bell and McDonalds would be giving away free everything on a specific time and date at specific locations (chosen because they are usually the most crowded). We would also do things like printing up posters that state the same. We would spread rumors for the Radio Stations (when people are listening that morning in traffic).
Redacted.
That would be a small example of Asymmetric Warfare (Insurgency).
These are glad tidings, i can only hope for this protest against violence to take root and grow until the violence is a rare occasion and the norm is peace and growing prosperity.
If the president found a cure for cancer, these trolls would claim he stole it from Romney. lol
This is what I'm talking about: Pay attention USA they where not POLITICALLY correct but right! THIS is how you deal with extremism... you counter protest. Yes we want order, nonviolence, peace... but peace is not free nor static. The Libyans (who desire democracy) took to the streets and let them (terrorist) know that they are not going to "let" them run THEIR country.
Instead of "apologizing" not wanting to offend what do you think would have happened if ANTI-TERRORIST protest here BY US MUSLIMS would have happened ... Those in Libya realize that if they don't do something, their country go right-back to "Gaddafi" style government and they lose... Here in the US... I feel we have cowed to the point where we denigrate our own citizens for "offending" instead of saying "We are the USA.. OUR LAWS.. OUR FREEDOM of SPEECH, RELIGION. WE ARE NOT THE PROBLEM!
are you kidding me! Our President doesn't have a clue about the country he's supposedly running! But if he said he found a cure for cancer... the libbies would believe him!
Fortunately the rest of us know everything he says is a lie, even the words 'and' and 'the'! Lies to keep him and his socialist friends in power to finish his plan to knock the USA down a few notches in the world and make more of our citizens dependent on his government! Get a clue! Take your head out of the sand and see what's happening!
Romney/Ryan .... more than ever!
jscusmc -
You, my mindless friend, are a discredit to the corps! I was Army, and we used to think Marines were misguided but most had half a brain. Now I see you, and I realize we were wrong, by about a quarter of a brain.
What a lunatic.
Libya unlike Afghanistan has been a civilized country for a very long time. It’s understandable why more educated and moderate Libyan people don’t want a cancer like Al’Queda occupying their country.
We need to give the countries that have just gained their freedom time to find their way. Democracy doesn’t just happen overnight it must be won and then protected in order for it to flourish. It looks like the Libyan people are beginning to understand that…... Good for them.
BTW: In response to the negative right winger posters that are incapable of finding good in ANYTHING, I would like to say this; You people are just like Al'Queda and come November we the people will take our country back and run your hate filled butts out of town just like the Libyans did to their local terrorists.
What came to mind after reading this story:
I'm happy to see people who have existed under such horrific conditions for so long finally realize that this is no way to live. I admire those willing to risk their lives to demand a better way of life for themselves and their children because when it comes down to it, although being killed would be a terrible thing, at the very least they would be out of their misery. I hope this wave continues because now they and/or their children have a fighting chance to have a brighter future.
What came to mind after reading comments on this story:
The U.S. is in BIG trouble. Whether these people are posting such hateful rants because they truly believe what they are saying or they are posting the opposite of what they really think just to stir up trouble, elicit reactions from the other side, and/or whip up people who agree with them into a frenzy, they are amongst those who are simply damaging our country.
We really have to stop all this ridiculous nonsense and get it together as a nation. I'm stunned at how many people on here consider their opinion -whatever that might be- the only correct view, and even after posting something nice and/or reasonable, follow it up with a spiteful jab at the other party. While so many of you sit there smugly judging another country and whatever party you don't agree with, you are completely missing the fact that our own nation is so badly divided and spinning out of control that we are quickly approaching the point of no return, all because you somehow think that disrespectfully bickering with others day in and day out will help your cause. Ironic how a few thousand people in Libya coming together for a common goal of making their country a better place have just set an example for us, huh?
While I admit that sometimes I come across an article that gets me going enough to jump into the fray and voice my opinion, I don't sit and call people names and put down those who disagree with me. I just don't understand how people keep up the hate day after day because I'm exhausted just reading some of this stuff! Like someone mentioned above, our own neighborhoods are becoming war zones. Why? Because everyone wants to point the finger at someone else. Everybody wants things perfect, but so many are too lazy to get out and take part in the actual work themselves.
If you want to see something fixed, doesn't it make sense to go out and volunteer to help rather than hover over a keyboard each day and complain about it? I realize everyone's entitled to their opinion and all that, but the First Amendment doesn't make being a jerk to others excusable. There really is more to life than politics, and by carrying the water of any particular party, you are wasting your life.
And no, I'm not being a hypocrite because I'm on here right now. I'm simply stating my observation based on what I see here in relation to a story I read during my daily review of the news and current events. At least I can say I dedicate much of my time to volunteering at my kids' school, helping cancer patients, being a foster parent, and helping people through my church with their various needs. In other words, I make an effort to change things for the better when and where I can instead of constantly fighting with others.
I know, right?!? What a concept!
Well said, toughcrowd!
EmptyChair-EmptySuit banned, multiple of Barry Kardashian, also banned.
Thank You, to the Educated People of Libya...
Thank You, to the people of libya who had the courage to stand up for themselves. they did it the right way too, banded together with the police and ran them out of town.
This is a feel-good story perpetrated by the Obama owned media to lull the American people into a false sense of security. All the while sending billions of dollars to these people that still hate us despite what they would have us believe, instead of taking care of our elderly on Medicare and social security.
It is possible to take care of the elderly and still work with other countries to make a better world.
Yo, IMAGOOD: I suppose you think FOX Noise is the normal media, and every other news is biased. You need to stop sniffing that stuff and get back to reality.
I hope they are for real and they continue to stand up for what is right!!!!! Still think Americans need to get the hell out of these countries, stop all funding and let them deal with their issues while we concentrate on fixing our own country!!!! There's one hell of alot wrong within America right now that needs to change!!!!
Amen. Why are we still in these countries and why have the soldiers in Iraq NOT our military but hired out mercenaries funded by our tax dollars????
Imagoodshot...You sound just like that narrow minded war monger Devil Dick Cheny ... Your other comments would give anyone reason to take an instant dislike to your mindset. Stability in the Middle East is essential to the interest of Libya and most of the nations surrounding them. It sets an aspiring goal for the other countries to strive for. It fosters a chance for at least understanding and tolerance among people who have different opinions, views and religion.
Intolerance is one of the things that drive our own citizens to acts of hatred and threatens to destroy our democracy. We should learn from these people and drive the militant radicals from our own society as well. I would like to see our industrial war machine dismantled down to something more reasonable and an effort to rebuild our own nation initiated. Why should we paying to build more tanks when we have thousands of them sitting unused in military parking lots?, likewise we should be investing in doing things more efficiently rather than continue to support a cumbersome giant like our military industrial complex has become.
I'm sure we're supposed to believe that "Libyans" were somehow able to overrun this Islamist compound with a combination of creme-pies, ho-hos, and twinkies, right? No chance that the Islamist armed group was simply overrun by another armed group, right?
Nah, couldn't be because this is the Middle East after all and anyone who isn't al-Qaeda is sure Pro-American, Pro-Western, Pro-Israel, Pro-Secular right. Yes, yes...its this supposed "silent majority" we've been hearing about for so long.
You people need to learn how to interpret news. This isn't the first time theres been a reaction in the Middle East against an Islamist group. Its been happening for years in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya, the Palestinian Territories...and yet, strangely, these places are all on the list of areas where Westerners would be more or less dead upon entering.
Travis is too stupid to know that Libya is in North Africa, NOT the Middle East.
Let's see what will the Repukes say about this? That Obama should have prevented the whole takeover of the consulate to begine with; too late, too little. No good deed by Obama or resulting from anything Obama has done or said goes unpunished by the Potty of No. In the end the GOP is just a pathetic bunch of people who have had their day and refuse to go quietly onto the dustheap of history. Just like Al Quaeda and the Taliban that they so much resemble.
The 30,000 may have to pay a price for standing against violence. Let them have their praise.
So far--based on Faux News's website--they've chosen to just ignore it and pretend it didn't happen.
obama is a simple person, and willl never stand up for his country....that should have been his life less body dragged through the streets of libya..you stupid liberals are also part of the middle east problem..cheese eaters.
you dumb liberal female trolls lol
I wonder why Faux News ignored something positive... Oh! I know! LOL
I hope to high Hades not, Andy- but I fear you're right.
RightWing74 - that is a disgusting statement.
RightWing74 your tea party ass needs to just shut up period. Hell you don't even pass the simple test. Pathetic maybe.
@Anita
That's because rightwing is a disgusting troll who just joined and is all about lies, hatred and what ever other brain dead thing comes into their empty head.
LI Mom and Derrick Dickerson haven't checked their own facts or are liars.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/21/libyans-march-against-militias-after-attack/
Lil' Debbie, I thought I'd heard all the variations on Republicans, the Party of No. thanks for the new ones.
Miss Debbie,
I do believe that security should have been ramped up. I will admit though that having spent two years in Iraq assigned to a force protection role that I always think security should be ramped up. I will state what I mentioned previously though that this is a very nice surprise and I hope it is a trend that continues.
Right Wing - The Republicans, Democrats, and Independents who do give this country hope for the future have no time for your childishness. I am not an Obama supporter by any means, but I'll stand by anyone who stands against the mindless flock mentality you represent, regardless of its left or right leanings.
Sorry to burst the libbie bubble, but Fox News did have a good report on this including video which the libbies prefer to boring talk!
The real question is , why do republicans hate America so much? have you ever heard a single positive thing from them, ever? I have not. so sad.
Right wing you need a slug to your brain jack ass
RightWing74 is also too stupid to know that Libya is in North Africa, NOT the Middle East.
Sounds like the rhetoric from the left during the beginning of the Iraq war----he said nothing short of what libs said of Bush. The comments are endless on that one, yet here we have a president who never got the permission of the congress to take out a dictator who kept the peace. If we are to "nation build" how about the Ivory Coast? They cut off the breasts of nursing mothers so they can't feed their children and where is the outrage?
BTW Qaddafi said it was Alkaida that was at the root of the problems there and what did we do? He was taken out and sodomized by a gang of rioters. This is all so sad. The comment of Rightwing74 is extreme, but it is NO different than what was said of Bush......it wasn't right then nor is it now, nor is it the view of the Teaparty, and if lower taxes bothers so many of you why not go and live in glorious socialist workers paradise of China or Russia and SHUT UP! There even YOUR free speech is illegal....just like a film makers, depends on who is in power.
When World War II ended, Ho Chi Minh addressed the crowd with a speech that sounded like it was stolen from America's founders and American planes flew overhead and the crowd cheered. Then my hero Truman decided to let the French back in the country. It looks like we got this one right.
Ho Chi Minh wrote up a Constitution that read a lot like the US Constitution. But US leaders turned their back on him and ignored him . I believe we would have had a much better ally in Ho and would never have had a 10 year war in Viet Nam . Live and learn,... well sometimes...
Crap. Ho was a ruthless Marixst totalitarian torturer of the worst kind.
digdibyb:
But he was no better than who was running the South. I have
to think back; wasn’t he practicing some sort of slavery?
The Soviet Union had a constitution that had far more rights enumerated, but they had a catch-all clause that meant that none of them meant anything. When the philosophy of the system is "socialism over everything else" that is what always happens.
Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Iran, Iraq 1, Iraq 2, Afghanistan all have the strong ties to right wing conservatives, lead by Nixon's long career, WWII by the same reasoning was tired to Henry Cabot Lodge Sr.
With WWII the Pax Americana idea grew too strong for conservatives to resist, the rest is Oil and politics. War as we should know is much easier than peace, many of these wars have a familiar 'look' to them, where the enemy and ally look the same. The sameness of both sides was instrumental in making the Civil being the worst to that date. It not also beyond notice that the ideas about war are progressively more brutal, and dehumanizing.
Imagine how much more effort it would have taken to show the free world, the value of enjoying freedom. But it was so easy to create puppet dictators we could control, and even easier to make dictators who would for ever and always be our enemies. It will take a greater judge than I, to hold accountable those that strive for the death of millions, just for few a years bathing the luxury, power and to create a legacy of greatness that for the most part is illusion.
Amercans do not know their history, and do not know enough to see how may have been difference.
The prince peace left the matter of forgiveness to a future he did not know, in death we learn about life, too late to spare the innocent.
If we have another 1,000 years as we have done in the past, there will be no need for humanity at all.
The Ocean will rise but mostly from tears.
A man who attacked civlians in act meant to terrorify them (terrorism) into surrender is your hero? Don't give me the moral eqiuivalency crap about how many more troops we would of lost, or that there "were no civilians in Japan"...those bombs killed far more people that both sides were estimated to lose, BY FAR. Innocent men, women, and children became not just victims of their own BS govt, but ours too.
The sooner you give up nostalgia for war crimes, the better off we'll all be.
BTW...Vietnam was never any threat to our domestic population, and they unified under Communist rule after we failed at nation building over there (like we'll fail in Afghanitsan, Iraq, and fail at propping up regimes with bribes we call "aid" in Libya, etc.). Since that time, we've been good trading partners with Vietnam...peaceful. We attacked them based on a lie (the Gulf of Tonkin Incident), and we killed MILLIONS of their people and lost 60,000 of our own. We bombed FARMERS constantly...go watch the footage of us Napalming women and children on rice farms.
Nationalism and statism are the blinders of a mental disorder. It's wrong to murder civilians (or people in general) and extort people...unless your government says it's okay. Well, I guess I see your morality...if the govt says its legal, then it's moral...lol. As long as it's YOUR govt, not anyone elses though...right?
BTW, those crowds cheering...yeah....those are the same crowds cheerleading for the extermination of Jews, the lynching of blacks, the subjugation of women, the PATRIOT Act, the NDAA, the wars of aggression and occupation (under the guise of humanitarianism), the propping up of foreign regimes with our extorted "tax" dollars and the overthrow of other regimes who more often than not are no threat to our domestic population, and the election of new sociopath every 4 years who will murder innocents and use force and threats of force to coerce conformity. All throughout history those cheering crowds existed...and you're one of that crowd. A crowd of sheep who cheerlead the govt's every atrocity because it is your god, and it's YOUR govt as opposed to THEIR govt. The god of govt overrules other gods...hence why those crowds cheer murder and extortion.
Ask yourself: Why are so many "Christians" for the death penalty, when the govt killed Jesus with capital punishment? Why are so many "philosophical" types for it when the govt killed Socrates? Why does their religion say murder is wrong, and yet they support wars of aggression and occupation, and sometimes even capital punishment? When did Jesus say "blessed are the warmakers", not "blessed are the peacemakers"? When did Jesus call for taxes (as opposed to charity and NO THEFT)? If I "taxed" you, wouldn't that be extortion? And why then is it not extortion morally when the govt does it?
It's clear who is your highest god...the god that overrules the ones you claim to worship...and it's the govt. You're not Christians...your god is govt. You're not athesits...you have a god, called govt.
Cognitive dissonance is a disgusting character flaw. Willful ignorance it another. Both are symptoms of nationalism and statism.
Christ was killed by the church-----the state washed it's hands.
Statism suck----certain enough, and nation building----democracy building has not aided us in any way yet we prop up dictators. Global economy or not, it is the harsh reality and things will have to change in Washington FROM THE INSIDE by our votes from the outside.
No Ballots for TROOPS overseas~! MSM dead silent
Obama DOD announced yesterday they had failed to meet the deadline to get Ballots for the 2012 election to US servicemen serving out of Country!
However, Eric Holder is still hard at work spending Millions of TAX $ suing 4-5 States to secure NO ID VOTING........
Tell me again what a bastard Romney is? Tell mme again how OBAMA "cares" more than Romney! Google it!
Ho Chi Minh was a US ally during WWII and immediately asked the USA for help in his efforts to keep the French out of Vietnam. After WWII all of the European colonies were given their freedom except for Hong Kong and the French colonies.
The USA went for neutrality on this issue at first but later started secretly helping the French. The first Americans to die in Vietnam were "Earthquake"McGoon and his unnamed copilot shot down at Dien Bien Phu in April 1954.
It was an all American war from that moment until 1974. We made our own enemy.
How many people did Ho kill for his revolution? And Stalin? Che?
Evil IS......no other comment needed.
How many did our Founders kill? Translate per capita.
Autodetermination is not evil. Setting up a state with a violent overthrow of another state is evil (statelessness being good). If people want tyranny, let them put up with it. Afterall, we are putting up with it here, and it gets worse everyday (hence why I'm moving out the country).
Vietnam was none of our concern. We didn't invade Russia for what Stalin did, nor should we.
It's not our job to welfare the world a military, and play Santa Claus to the world by stopping every genocide. Stuff happens, and bad stuff especially...
...but how is that cue for us to claim "defense" by offensively getting involved in other people's conflicts? Let them kill each other. If we were doing it here I wouldn't want any help from abroad. If the state was so murderous and repressive, sneak out like the Mexicans sneak in. If they have no one to extort ("tax") they have no funds to be repressive.
If you think other people should be extorted to fund your "heroic" efforts to stop genocide (as opposed to donations funding it - which would quantify its actual morality), then do it rationally:
You can't go if...
...the operation would cost morel ives than it saves. A ratio must be put in place to decide how many saved vs estimated to lose.
...the operation will cost too much to save the NET lives you plan on saving. A cost per life must be assessed as "worth it". (We can't logically spend billions for 1 life, and we know it costs a non-zero amount per life saved NET, so there is a cost-benefit analysis here).
...the operation cannot force troops to go. Our troops aren't play things on chess board. They have a job...to defend US, not the world. So you have to weigh the negative impact to our own defense capabilities if we get involved, PLUS ask the troops to volunteer since technically stopping foreign genocide is NOT in their job description. And don't tell me "they have no rights, they sign them away". That denotes you know nothing of Natural Rights Theory (where rights were deduced from), and have zero arguments that are respectful of the troops (and that goes the brainwashed troops and ex-troops who thinks it is GOOD that troops "have no rights").
If you wanted to show how moral ANY war or intervention was, all you have to really do is quantify it fiscally and in terms of manpower. Simple ask for volunteers and force no troop to go otherwise, and only fund it by donations (which are tax deductable). Then every cent is donated, not extorted (that's therefore moral), and every troop is there of their own free will because they think it a worthy cause (again, moral). That quantifies the justification.
If you refuse this quanification you clearly have to logically believe 1 of 2 things (or both):
1. Our troops are cowards who won't fight in self defense of their populace
2. Our people are unpatriotic and would sooner save their money than fund a self defense effort to preserve their freedoms
Both of these reasons for funding the military via force (extortion, aka "taxation"), and forcing troops to fight without their direct consent in every conflict they take part in (don't confuse signing up for the job of defending your country with consent to murder people who are no threat to us for what is an OPINION that it's "humanitarian" - an individual determintation, not an objective fact), are horrible arguments. If you think so little of your fellow countrymen, or the troops, why do you still ive here?
I'm moving out the country...not because I believe those 2 nonsense things, but because the majority of people seem to (based upon how we fund and order our troops into conflicts on the penalty of jail or loss of pay if they refuse).
Now this is what I like to see. The Libyan people marching for the USA and against the terrorist. Maybe, just maybe, there is hope yet for the moderate Muslims of the world.I was beginning to believe they did not exist.They need to know that they have nothing to fear if they stick together and let these terrorist know,they are not afraid and will not let them ruin their democracy. One thing we have learned in America is, FREEDOM AIN'T FREE!!!
alot of the reason we have not seen a response from the moderate muslims in the world Joe is because we have not allowed one. doesnt anyone remember when we where pushing to go into iraq, that a bunch of middle eastern countries said no we can handle taking saddam out of power. we would like to put a coalition together of only middle eastern countries banded together and backed by the UN to do it. imagine if we had of listened to them, all of the american dead, and tax payer dollars we could have saved.
Marching for the USA? LOL
I'm skeptical. Show me more than just the one guy with the t-shirt and everyone else blurred out. Show me the whole crowd (purported to be 30,000 by the A.P.), Show me the signs they were carrying. Show the crowd confronting the Ansar al-Sharia supporters, or vice-versa. Some video would help too.
This story, as it stands now, shows one guy in a t-shirt and everything else to be taken on the good faith of the reporting. Sorry but I don't trust in the good faith of the manipulating media any more.
Wow... could we be seeing something new stirring up in the Middle East...a backlash against the jihadists
interesting
Amunaka . . . I am hoping so too
shut your mangina up...your pos idiot pres wont do s**t but keep lying to you sheep...
Hey, Right Wing.... chill....They only asked a question. I don't believe it at all. I think this is all media hype from Libya. Consistancy is the name of the game. Let's see who and how many "follow suit".
Lybians, for the most part are an educated people, by arab standards they are secular and independent.. To throw them into the same box with say the pakistanis for example would be a mistake, No doubt, there are some extemists there, like anywhere. Hopefully the moderates will win out.
I hope so too,after all these years they deserve it
Maybe we should rise up against our own Right-Wing extremists.
Hope so but not with any real conviction on it, we supported the overthrow of dictators for the muslim brotherhood, and brother, they AIN'T moderates.
Just ask Daniel Pearl.
What does Daniel Pearl have to do with Libya?
Bravo to the 30,000 and all those that supported them. They were very very brave even though I bet they were really really scared. These are the actions I support. They spoke up for an American. Wow!!!! I am glad he was good to them.
This is good.....REAL good!
Hope it works out for them. And us.
Talk about refreshing!
OK I think it's great...now lets stand back and see what happens ...our government needs to let these people settle it themselves...SemperFi good guys
This is encouraging but you are correct. We need to let them work it out. These changes in mid east countries are huge and will not be accomplished easily, or in a straight line of continuous progress. We need some patience now.
Many thanks to those courageous people from a grateful American! I will continue to pray for peace for your country!
I expect this feeling will be deflated within a day or 2...maybe a week, but it will fizzle out as the true radicals are now the people in power. This is a very gray matter.
Change takes time. These people were courageous ! Time will tell.
That should have been obamas life less body dragged through the streets of libya!!!!
you need to be kicked out of this country, since, regardless of any political standpoint you may have, Obama is an American just like you and me
I knew there were moderate voices somewhere. Thanks for speaking up.
This should be front page news regardless of politics.
Looks like there might be some Sane people left in Libya after all. If the people themselves drive off these Al Sharia people, then there is Hope for their country. No sense in getting rid of Gadhafi and then letting the Taliban and Al Qaeda take over. They would be in a worse spot than before.
Liberal female c**ts are the dumb women in America who have never been out of this great country and experienced anything.
poor n**ger obama cant get his story straight lol what a f**t puss
You're a pretty disgusting person.
Libya under Gaddafi also had the best living conditions in Africa, had it's own gold reserve, and was debt-free! Every time we go to war to kill a "dictator", I always look at the gold, the fiat currency, and the oil. There's a pattern....Iraq, Libya, Syria....countries that want to end their dependence on the U.S. fiat buck aka Debt Money, end up in war with us. We attack them. Follow the money. Iraqi gold Dinar? WHACKED. Libyan gold Dinar? WHACKED! United States of Africa? WHACKED! It seems as though, if the U.S. can't control you from afar using their Debt Money, the CIA will be directed to rid of the "dictator". They'll start with China, too, because they are dumping the buck. Who's next? Can we afford it? I don't think so. Our Government is already monetizing our debt, again. The cliff is coming. Can you see it?
Conspiracies! Just because you think they are out to get you doesn't mean they aren't.
Rightwing74 is finally the hate speech I have heard of from the right.....and I'm a conservative, yet it is the same speech that was heard during the Bush years with effigies instead of chairs hung from trees. Nonconstructive and poorly said.....however, the ambassador did get the same treatment as Gaddafi which is truly sad in and of itself.....sodomized and murdered, yet Obama says so little except apologize to those who hate us anyways.
Tempers flare and words lash out without being constructive.....and it HURTS those who have the best interest of the country at heart which is NOT the governement OR Obama....it is America's people herself.
Obama is the president and the commander in chief, and regardless deserves the respect of the office even though the man is disrespectful to many Americans.
You didn't build that.....I am my brothers keeper while my step brothers child dies in a hospital, and give her a pain pill.....the list is endless.
Hillary said it right, it is NOT unpatriotic to disagree with the president, but hateful is the tool of the left, not the teaparty, and not useful here. Even more the tactic of OWS which is of the most foul.
By the way, only congress can declare war, NOT the president and it is NOT a Kinetic Military Action.....it is a bomb that kills people.......we need accountability, not a president ruling by mandate.
Unprecedented! This is amazing. Good for them!
I appreciate and enjoy those that are thankful for a Muslim population that wants a better existence with the rest of the world. Let's be human before we are other things.
` NO 2012 Ballots for Troops serving Overseas~!
Obama DOD announced yesterday that the FAiLED to meet mailing deadlines to assure our Servicemen could vote overseas...(google it folks)
While Eric Holder has spent millions in TAX payer money suing States to secure NO ID VOTING ~ No one in this Admns seems to give a sh*t about our TROOPS.
I think the ballots were available as of 9/17 so not sure what you are so upset about.
I'll betcha $5 these folks are supported by our "special ops/CIA for a public "face" for our media to satisfy/appease our need for rationalization of just who or what it was we were cheering about before as WE removed their leader who wore really funny uniforms and we needed to control their resources and dammit...he begged to differ. This is dog and phoney act...get some popcorn and don't take any of it too seriously...you are being misin"formed" and fooled...again
If you notice, the article first says "hundreds of protesters" then a couple of paragraghs later it says "30,000". Which is it? NBC is telling so many lies they can't even keep them straight from one paragragh to the next.
Your lack of comprehension makes me cringe. The article stated that an estimated 30,000 Libyans marched to the compound and hundreds of them stormed the compound. There are plenty of hundreds within 30,000...
CIA involvement? if true, who cares? not me. It beats the rats involved in Stevens' death. People who kill diplomats show that they have no respect for peace, no boundaries for hatred and no common sense overall. If we were like them we would already have nuked them (and that is the problem with Iran's leadership).
So what if the CIA may or may not be involved. No one and especialy you are not privy to such information anyway. Not everything bad that happen in the world involves the CIA, Washington, George Bush, Dick Cheney, the "secret US president", aliens, my dog....etc. Really, they do not obsess over what is going on with groups of people as you do. Try replacing the word, CIA, with cucumber then read what you post and then think how crazy it sounds.
I am wondering the same thing since back in 50's took down Iran's elected President and Iran never forgot. The information always comes out years later.
This is good and encouraging news. I don't see any negatives in this at all, except for the wounded and dead.
plork didn't R E A D the article.....just comment. NBC, get it right and be R E A L journalists for once!
How will this look for Obama....murmur murmur murmur......bzzzzzzzz.......Obama drone spotted.
Miklkit-----we still have a dead ambassador and only a breif acknowledgement from THE ONE.......whens the ocean gonna recede?
Critical times hard to deal with, will be here.
Yeah George, tattoo it on your forehead.