Afghanistan bans Pakistani newspapers, cites propaganda

Roberto Schmidt / Pool / EPA

Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai, right, meets Mahmood Khan Achakzai, a Pakistani politician and leader of the Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party, at the presidential palace in Kabul on Saturday. Afghanistan has set in motion plans to ban the entry of all newspapers from Pakistan.

Afghanistan has banned all Pakistani newspapers over what security officials say is anti-government propaganda aimed at Kabul, the Ministry of Interior said on Saturday, in a move likely to worsen already tense cross-border ties.

The deputy interior minister in Afghanistan is ordering the Zone One border police commander to stop all the Pakistani newspapers coming from Pakistan through Torkham borders.


The statement says the Pakistani newspapers are an easy source for the Taliban to convey their message, which can change the minds of Afghans.

The main provinces where the papers are distributed are the Nangarhar, Kunar and Noristan provinces.

Pakistani newspapers are usually filled with statements that the Afghan government does not properly represent its people and that its NATO-led allies are "occupying" the country, rather than offering security support, Ihsanuddin Taheri, an interior ministry spokesman, told Reuters.

Some papers have also published speeches by Taliban insurgency leaders, he added, at a time when the government is trying to lure the Taliban into nascent peace talks aimed at ending the 11-year Afghan war.

"We totally reject these statements and the ban is to show them this," said Taheri, adding the nationwide ban could only be reversed by a ministerial decree.

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Ties between Afghanistan and Pakistan have been strained by months of cross-border shelling that officials in Kabul have blamed on Pakistan's military. Islamabad accuses Afghanistan of failing to stop anti-government militants operating from mountain havens on Kabul's side of the border. 

On Thursday, the Afghan foreign minister told the U.N. Security Council in New York that diplomatic ties with Pakistan were under threat.

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Here's a thought. Maybe the two "peace loving Muslim countries" can just get together and show some brotherly love.

Nawww! My money is on "Death to them" from both sides.

Just carrying on an old family tradition. - Hank Williams Jr.

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#1 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:46 AM EDT

HEE-HAW, oakeeboy, yu shore gottit right! Whadda ya theenks they calls it thaa Mhoozilahum BRO-HOODS fer then. Rheelidgeuunz of PEESE n' jokezz, n' beeheddings, stonings, n' HONOR killings n' Shaareeeeaaww-low-Law, ... uno-it-2.

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:10 PM EDT

The Muslim Golden Rule of "Do unto others, before they do it unto you" is beginning to rule the area once again.

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#1.2 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:23 PM EDT

Oh, BTW. Something for the Obama lovers...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SpJL6CzXpY

  • 4 votes
#1.3 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:24 PM EDT

@John Doe-2241225

And how is that different from other countries? You are an idiot.

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#1.4 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:40 PM EDT

Selling newspapers in a country with a 37% literacy rate. Now that's the definition of tough job.

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#1.5 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:03 PM EDT

None of this really matters since as soon as the troops are gone, the Taliban will take over, and then the Afghanis and the Pakistanis will get along just fine, united in their hatred for America and the west.

Does anyone seriously think this won't happen?

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#1.6 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:01 PM EDT

John Doe; why would an Obama lover click on your anti Obama video (I'm just guessing it's anti Obama)? Please tell us your thought process there. You sure showed us...not. To "show us" we would actually have to care what you think - think about that one.

I'm going to open my own Fox News forum just so these lost souls will feel like they have a home again.

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:23 PM EDT

The inhabitants of the Middle East will never get it right as long as they cling to their archaic religious ways, their tribal mentality, and refuse to even contemplate compromise. Put a fence around the entire place(including Israel) until they mature a little more and can play nicely.

    #1.8 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:14 PM EDT

    So Afghanistan is finding out the Pakistanis are the same fair-weather friends we've found them to be.

    • 6 votes
    #1.9 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:19 PM EDT

    A pity that Afghanistan does not ban papers from their tolerant and peace loving neighbors in Iran as well!

    • 2 votes
    #1.10 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:05 PM EDT

    JP. You know nothing about liberal psychology. They're like months. Put up something shining and they flock to it, only to meet a shocking demise. You overestimate the intelligence of the average liberal, perhaps that's why you still support Pres. Obama.

    • 2 votes
    #1.11 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:14 PM EDT

    John Doe = FAIL

    I don't like either party - scrape away the fluff and it's the same idiots behind the curtain.

    I only vote on local issues - the Fed is beyond repair.

    • 1 vote
    #1.12 - Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:36 PM EDT

    J_P, I agree with you for the most part. There is little difference between the Republican and Democratic parties nowadays. Both will lie, cheat, steal, and do whatever it takes to get elected and stay in office. All the while lining their pockets with our tax dollars! Obama and his cronies are no different than the average Republican president would be. Only their rhetoric is.

    • 2 votes
    #1.13 - Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:04 AM EDT

    A small glimmer of hope in a VERY dark part of the world, Even if the prez of Afghanistan is corrupt on some issue he is at least trying to fight the demon dogs of the talebans and their brand of mass murdering sharia fascist law.For that we can give him 1 or 2 hurrahs!!

    • 1 vote
    #1.14 - Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:14 PM EDT

    Yeah, and he does not care how many American service men and women have had to die doing it!

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    #1.15 - Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:34 PM EDT
    Reply

    Well , you didn't really expect them to get along did you .

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    Reply#2 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:48 AM EDT
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    A bunch of nasty, stinkin', uneducated snot rags.....and we let those slimy scum do what they want. To hell w/ Pakistan, Afghanistan, and the rest of those sewer holes. None of them are worth a sh*t. Level them to sand so normal people can have some place to play. The Jews were an imagined and concocted enemy. These Muslims are the real thing....and we have the power to handle it.

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    Reply#3 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:54 AM EDT

    Islamabad accuses Afghanistan of failing to stop anti-government militants operating from mountain havens on Kabul's side of the border.

    Oh Brother. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

    Looks like the ISI is finally starting to scare the Pak government, if there actually is such a thing. Than again this might just be a "statement" to keep the State Dept. and Hillary happy. Gotta keep the $$$ rolling in.

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    Reply#4 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:01 AM EDT

    The only good thing about the November elections is that whomever wins, Hillarity's fat ass will be out of the limelight and she can forget her illusions of grandeur and go back to a well-deserved obscurity.

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    #4.1 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:53 PM EDT

    Well, ALL US funding to these countries needs to STOP NOW. if Obama sends one more penny to the muslim brotherhood he should be impeached. If he's relelected though NOBODY will have the balls to try and stop him. Choose wisely in NOV. your future and the future of your children and grandchildren will depend on it.

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    #4.2 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:28 PM EDT

    They could instead educate their people in critical thinking so they could better evaluate whether its propaganda or news--naw, , that wouldn't work. I forgot that they've left behind sophisticated education except for the wealthiest. Silly me.

      #4.3 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:26 PM EDT
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      As if we needed it, here's another clear indication that we (and our NATO friends) should get out of Afghanistan as fast as humanly possible. Send every C-5 Galaxy we can lay our hands on, load them up with everything, destroy what can't be airlifted out (let's not repeat past errors, allowing "allies" to hang on to weapons that come back to bite us on the butt later), and get the hell out.

      Try to maintain cordial diplomatic relations with every nation in the region, but don't get too cozy with any of them, don't share intelligence with any of them, and stick to humanitarian aid that we can actually control (don't give the sacks of rice to the army for distribution).

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      Reply#5 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:19 AM EDT

      Well, according to nbc, our rice is loaded with arsenic.

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      #5.1 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:39 AM EDT

      Iwonder !!! what mi lord ??????

        #5.2 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:28 PM EDT

        So good so true, those pale two face flat foot are always creepy creatures whom never tamed. doping them if possible would be good Ideas put wild animals to rest.

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        #5.3 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:34 PM EDT

        Sounds like a Plan.

        • 2 votes
        #5.4 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:44 PM EDT

        Better loaded with arsenic than arselick

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        #5.5 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:56 PM EDT

        LOL!!! Dried, ground pigs blood!!! And hey, how about contraceptives so they can't breed!!!!

          #5.6 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:30 PM EDT
          Reply

          The main problem here more than just the papers content, is that they can not trust their people to form their own opinions, which is really the fault of their government for failing to properly educate their people, and lift them out of the ignorance that plagues them.

          The Taliban realize this and try to exploit it at every turn. Most early recruited Pakistan Taliban were uneducated, poor, and were basically brainwashed to hate the west, and to be a thorn in the side of Pakistan that recieves aide from America to put them down. This is all relevant to a ill informed, and uneducated public.

          The propaganda they spread goes to the heart of the young Afghanistan with nothing to lose, and could easily bring him/her to Jihad. The solution is to show them Jihad is not the answer, but education, and freedom of choice are the answer, and this is the philosophy of the West, not to destroy or occupy, but to advance, and give choice to a people.

          The Taliban are the true destroyers and occupiers as they have proven during their evil takeover of Afghanistan.

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          #6 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:38 AM EDT

          Um coral, comparative tests have shown that 80% of u.s.a. americans are ignorant. Perhaps, we should begin at home?

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          #6.1 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:42 AM EDT

          Just gotta member now tho, >>>>> YU cannot >>> FIX >>>> STUPID!

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          #6.2 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:13 PM EDT

          @Iwonder;

          You could say we are all ignorant about something. You are just missing the point. I am talking about people out in the backcountry of Afghanistan. I am talking about those that do not understand our true mission is to give them choice, and keep the Taliban down,not occupy their country. You can not compare the U.S to Afghanistan as far as ignorance, we have social media,and keep up with current events daily. We are more informed than ever. I believe your tests are wrong.

          The main point you miss is that most can not read in their country,will you tell me 80% of Americans can not read? Your comparison is surely not a fair one, nor are the tests correct. Most who are "ignorant" in America are ignorant by choice, not because they are still living in the stoneages sir.

          Americans are not as ignorant as you would like to believe. Next time you use the word "Americans" please have the respect to capitalize.

          Literacy: definition: age 15 and over can read and write

          total population: 28.1%
          male: 43.1%

          female: 12.6%

          You see wonder not a fair comparison by any stretch.

          • 10 votes
          #6.3 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:15 PM EDT

          Hummmmmmmmmmm ... coral taxi many Afghan people may be uneducated but they aren't "Ignorant!"

          The "ignorant propaganda" that is spread here is alarming (and it's accepted as fact by many) and "ignorance" is a vice that seems to reach a highpoint in American Society ... because someone has a "formal education" does not give them a "free pass" .... because they have some higher education, does not belie their ability to "ignore the facts"(lack of knowledge, information, or education)

          "brainwashed?" lol .... you had better look at home for the "Brainwashed!" Americans are the most manipulated group in the world by "propaganda" ... it began in elementary schools, and churches and carries through their life by the media ... we are like sheep being led to the slaughter ...

          Soooooooooooo go back to the pasture and Baaaaaaaaaa with the rest of the sheep!

          • 9 votes
          #6.4 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:20 PM EDT

          Two things carol.

          1. Are you sure that the afghanis do not choose to be the way they are?

          2. The use of the small "a" in america was also intentional on my part. If I thought that it deserved to be capitalised, I would.

          The tests that I mentioned were comparing us with non-third world countries.

            #6.5 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:26 PM EDT

            Coral Taxi~~~~~LMAO ! ~~~~~~ "......... our true mission is to give them choice," BAAAAAAA! lol

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            #6.6 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:29 PM EDT

            @Iwonder;

            1. Are you sure that the afghanis do not choose to be the way they are?

            I am sure they do not want a return of the Taliban rule,but their actions toward us in the past few months will surely gain them the return of tyrrany, as we can not finish training those that could kill us at any minute

            2. The use of the small "a" in america was also intentional on my part. If I thought that it deserved to be capitalised, I would.

            So you intentionally insult my country? Do not claim it as yours as you obviously do not respect it. I believe you just joined your so called 80% sir

            .@moonbeams

            Coral Taxi~~~~~LMAO ! ~~~~~~ "......... our true mission is to give them choice," BAAAAAAA! lol

            Laugh all you want,but they have held successfull elections due to our men and womens due dilligence. Many Women and villagers risked death by the Taliban and trekked for miles to dip their finger to have CHOICE sir. We accomplished that mission.

            Now they are turning on us over ignorant trivial happenings that involve a few and have nothing to do with us or our true mission. They will regret this when the music stops and the women are kept hidden and uneducated, the men must grow beards. We gave them choice and their country back now they are killing us for it, if this is not the heighth of ignorance I do not know what is, so have fun with the Taliban, and don't pour the coffee ,cause we are not stayin.

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            #6.7 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:49 PM EDT

            Obama Administration prevents US TROOPS serving Overseas from VOTiNG in the 2012 election..google it

            Obama DOD announced they FAiLED to meet the 9-21-12 deadline to get Ballots to our American Soldiers risking life & limb overseas. MSM Dead Silent

            Eric Holder however has burned through Millions of TAX $ suing to Trample States rights. Eric has spent over 2 years trying to force NO ID VOTING. i.e. CHEATing

            Again we witness the 2 faced phony Obama Democrats. Who cares if I soldiers get to vote? Right Obama DEMOCRATS?

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            #6.8 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:19 PM EDT

            Obama is also sending billions of dollars to Egypt and Libya. Both countries have more money then we have and trillions in reserve. Both countries are controlled by the muslime brotherhood and al-qaeda.

            So why is Obama sending terrorists billions of dollars??

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            #6.9 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:23 PM EDT

            Frank, the money going to Egypt, and Libya started before Obama even ran for President. He might have suggested increasing their aid but that is all. I agree the US House and Senate should cut the aid we are giving to countries like that, including Pakistan to 1/4 of what they now get.

            • 2 votes
            #6.10 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:17 PM EDT

            @lovestorant;

            Obama Administration prevents US TROOPS serving Overseas from VOTiNG in the 2012 election..google it

            Congress passed a law in 2009 designed to make voter registration easier for the nation's service members. The Pentagon defied that law, and the results are obvious. So is the military's decision to abandon its obligation to protect the rights of its soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines.

            You are kidding yourself the soldiers will get to vote. Obama was not the problem the pentagon was, so get your facts straight. There are new ways for them to vote now that will help them this year.

            Again we witness the 2 faced phony Obama Democrats. Who cares if I soldiers get to vote? Right Obama DEMOCRATS?

            Again we witness one bearing false testimony on our POTUS. Eric Holder was found not guilty of any wrong doing. You are insulting people, and you sir are the one who sits their and lies.

            • 8 votes
            #6.11 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:20 PM EDT

            @lovestorant;

            Here read on so you stop wrongly blaming Obama as you use your blogs for source.lol

            January 27, 2012, 6:27PM

            The Justice Department said in a filing on Friday that the primary schedule proposed by the Texas Republican Party wouldn't give enough time for military and overseas voters to participate in the election process in violation of the Military and Overseas Voter Empowerment (MOVE) Act.

            Here's the kicker: conservatives -- led by Texas Republican Sen. John Cornyn -- have long been on a crusade against the Justice Department for what they said was a failure to protect military voters under the MOVE Act.

            And you talk about Obama being 2 faced,lol, here is prime example of two faced.

            • 4 votes
            #6.12 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:33 PM EDT

            Well let me see coral;

            Genocide against native americans, to some extent ongoing.

            Enslavement of a race.

            A civil war with no constitutionality. More americans killed than all the other wars, combined.

            Reconstruction.

            Unwarranted war against spain.

            Thousands of libyans, mercilessly murdered. What do you think all those trucks, tanks and radar sites were manned by robots?

            Generations of citizens pushed into dependency by the government.

            A few reasons that it's not entitled to a capital.

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            #6.13 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:32 PM EDT

            Oh, and by the way, the afghanis kicked the taliban out with very little help from us and I don't doubt that they can do it again any time they choose to do so.

              #6.14 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:39 PM EDT

              IWonder-932455

              Well let me see coral;

              Genocide against native americans, to some extent ongoing.

              A straw man argument. Is there anyone out there seriously deluded enough to believe that if the U.S. government REALLY wanted to commit an act of genocide against a bunch of relatively unarmed civilians, that it could not do so in about 10 minutes?

              Enslavement of a race.

              Which race would that be? Are we not all merely different breeds of the HUMAN race? There is only one species of Homo Sapiens. Besides, the slave trade STARTED under colonial rule, by our British, Dutch, French and Spanish colonial masters and ended by decree of an AMERICAN president.

              A civil war with no constitutionality. More americans killed than all the other wars, combined.

              No constitutionality? A President's primary purpose is to protect and preserve the republic. The Confederacy was a threat to the republic, as well as being a disgrace to the freedoms guaranteed in our founding document.

              Reconstruction.

              Fixing what we broke is a reason to denigrate us?

              Unwarranted war against spain.

              Isn't 20/20 hindsight convenient, especially viewed through the prism of over 100 years of history and debate? Our best intel AT THAT TIME was that Spain sank the U.S.S. Maine in Havana harbor. 100+ years later, we now know different. There is no doubt, however, that the people of the Philippines were not sorry to see their oppressive Spanish overlords sent packing.

              Thousands of libyans, mercilessly murdered. What do you think all those trucks, tanks and radar sites were manned by robots?

              So Libya doesn't rate a capital letter in your mind either? At least their new President was properly contrite over the attack on our embassy. The locals in Benghazi are actually going after the thugs who have been terrorizing them for so long! THEY are the ones to blame for killing Libyans, not America.

              Generations of citizens pushed into dependency by the government.

              ...just liberals following the pattern set by their socialist-leaning peers in the EU. How's living on the government dole working out for you, by the way?

              A few reasons that it's not entitled to a capital.

              Lest we forget, the once-mighty British Empire once controlled 1/4 of the Earth's landmass, and as recently as the end of WWII still had its boot firmly on the neck of 1/5 of the Earth's population in India. Last time I checked, not one of those colonies invited them in. Let's ask the Irish and the Scots just how lovely the dear old Brits are, shall we?

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              #6.15 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:31 PM EDT

              Hey neighbor, "A President's primary purpose is to protect and preserve the republic."

              Perhaps that used to be true. And granted, it is still true of any good president.

              Good luck, come november, choosing between losers.

                #6.16 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:40 PM EDT

                Coral, I think Afghans are more smart than Americans. Otherwise they wouldnt be kicking Pak newspapers out of their country! US still thinks Pakis are faithful ally.

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                #6.17 - Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:08 AM EDT
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                I am surprised they actually have that many that can read?

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                Reply#7 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:44 AM EDT

                only the cartoon page looking for Mohammed...............:)

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                #7.1 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:54 AM EDT

                Ah- mm dont fool your self they're twofaced so you cannot tell.

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                #7.2 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:41 PM EDT

                Cynthia....two faced?........i cant think of one single politician that isn't..............:)

                  #7.3 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:59 PM EDT

                  ...and that disproves Cynthia's statement how, exactly?

                    #7.4 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:39 PM EDT
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                    I would like to see a ban of news of the middle east. Until they get out of their stone age beliefs. We have the air power to blow a middle east country totally level if they screw with Israel. We don't need our brave soldiers in the middle of these backward countries. It's stupid of us throwing trillions of dollars away on these middle east countries when we have no idea if they will be against us tomorrow. Our govt. have flip-flopped from supporting these middle east countries since the IKE's days. Our history shows we are screwed up on throwing our money away to these middle east people.

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#8 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:49 AM EDT

                    Hi Deb, this is the same deb who tends bar down at out local VFW isn't it? see you this afternoon..............:)

                    Oh and i agree BTW.

                    • 1 vote
                    #8.1 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:03 PM EDT

                    Our government, particulary the apologizer in chief, flip flop regularly. However, they don't hold themselves accountable and deflect by calling Romney a flip-flopper on a regular basis. Well, Obama is in office, he is responsible for the safety and security of Americans at home and abroad. HE is to uphold American ideas and values even though he doesn't believe in them. Right now THE BUCK STOPS WITH OBAMA AND HIS ADMINISTRATION, not Romney. Hold Obama ACCOUNTABLE. Send a message in Nov that says "get packing and don't let the door hit you on the backside on the way OUT!!!"

                    • 2 votes
                    #8.2 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:42 PM EDT

                    @ skrewdworld

                    So, give me source of apology on this?

                    Oh, you mean the jumping the gun like Romney who barely have all the fact and flip-flop on daily basis.

                    • 1 vote
                    #8.3 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:57 PM EDT
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                    John Stuart Mill proved long ago that the benefit of freedom of the press is that it assures the continuing growth and relevance of our most cherished institutions:
                    “The peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is that it is robbing [us.] ...
                    If the opinion is right, [we] are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, [we] lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error.”

                    • 5 votes
                    Reply#9 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:50 AM EDT

                    NO VOTE in 2012 election for Troops overseas~ Where is the media outcry?

                    Obama DOD announced they FAiLED to meet the 9-21-12 deadline ~ Ballots were NOT SENT to US Soldiers in time for them to vote in this election. google it!

                    However Eric Holder & powerful Obama Democrats have spared no expense of TAX $ trampling on STATES rights by suing them. After all Those NO ID VOTERS are really important!

                    Obama hates our Troops as much as he hates Republicans ~ 47% of the populatin~

                    • 4 votes
                    #9.1 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:25 PM EDT

                    A free press is irrelevant in a country with 70% illiteracy. These people swallow whatever hate and insanity spews from the mouths of their mullahs hook, line and sinker. They pray when they are told to pray, they eat what they are told to eat and they hate who they are told to hate. 99% of the people protesting across the Muslim world right now have no idea why they are protesting other than their church leaders told them to. They have not seen any YouTube video. They have not read the cartoons in any French magazines. They are being lied to about the very fabric of reality itself by the only authority figures they have any respect for, and their ignorance has set the Middle East on fire.

                    • 2 votes
                    #9.2 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:54 PM EDT

                    @ Love2troops

                    And here we have a propaganda of ours own, it was the Pentagon decision, take it up to them. You have been corrected and keep spouting misinformation.

                    Romney doesn't care 47% of the US that including seniors, disable, children, veteran.

                    • 1 vote
                    #9.3 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:14 PM EDT

                    Love2Troops,

                    I believe this is misinformation. Voters who are registered in their states can vote absentee either on-line or hard copy by mail. We do have internet at bases. DoD doesn't need to provide ballots to everyone. Example, military with Colorado residency, email stating on-line absentee voting is available on=-line starting 22 September. Military member votes.

                    CuonDNyguyen,

                    What you are quoting is also misinformation.

                    • 1 vote
                    #9.4 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:46 PM EDT
                    Reply

                    Don't worry folks per Obama's brilliant Foreign policy, Hillary has already stuffed two bags full of money and is warming up her broom........:)

                    • 8 votes
                    Reply#10 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:51 AM EDT

                    Yup, our presence there is solely due to Obama and Hillary, and not the military industrial complex IKE warned about, backed by some of the most powerful private corporations in the world.

                    Must be nice to make-up completely unfounded ideas to fit into the imaginary narrative you've created. Thing is, it doesn't jive with reality. Our continued presence in the Middle East has much more to do with businesses than politicians. The politicians (Obama, Bush, and Clinton - that's right - we've been in Afghanistan for far more than 10 years) are just the tools of the corporations.

                    • 5 votes
                    #10.1 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:02 PM EDT

                    disgusted-356628,

                    It's called humor. Get to know it. Make it your friend.

                    • 4 votes
                    #10.2 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:09 PM EDT

                    I it was an attempt at humor, but it failed. The bigger failure is the insinuation that American throwing money at the Middle East is a development of the past four years. Sorry, I'm calling out the BS.

                    • 4 votes
                    #10.3 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:14 PM EDT

                    hi bill, some people are just wound too tight no sense trying to explain things they simply cant understand .

                    if they prefer grinding their teeth and pounding their......"keyboards" .....let em............:)

                    • 1 vote
                    #10.4 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:15 PM EDT

                    Go ahead scooter, explain away. I've seen you do nothing except make sweeping, opinionated generalizations. So lay some facts on me brah.

                    In addition, as I have "explained", your comments seem to show you are unaware of exactly how long, and for exactly what reasons we have had a strong presence in Afghanistan for DECADES now.

                      #10.5 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:17 PM EDT

                      And Bill, your logic makes no sense. So if I say, "Obama is the greatest President of all time because he has saved the world, even when little Shrub handed him a turd sandwich", then it is OK to dismiss the absolute absurdity of my point simply because I threw some lame, childish attempt at humor in on the end?

                      Or was it scooter's use of verbal irony! That must be it! Verbal irony shields him from criticism of his POINT, which is completely baseless.

                      This is coming from someone who will not be voting for Obama in November either (can't say I'm voting for Romney, though).

                        #10.6 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:22 PM EDT

                        what your not going to BEND forward? .......................:)

                        • 1 vote
                        #10.7 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:27 PM EDT

                        disgusted-356628

                        And Bill, your logic makes no sense

                        Translation: "Bill, your logic makes no sense to me." My "logic" was to point out that Tramp's comment was humorous. The fact that I see that, and you apparently don't, doesn't alter the truth of my statement

                        Or was it scooter's use of verbal irony! That must be it! Verbal irony shields him from criticism of his POINT, which is completely baseless.

                        I'm glad you can recognize irony. ScooterTramp's point (if there is one .... I'm never sure) is ironic in the written (not verbal) characterization of Obama's foreign policy as brilliant. Whether or not that is a baseless claim is certainly open for debate. I believe that Obama's foreign policy is not brilliant. How about you?

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                        #10.8 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:47 PM EDT

                        disgusted-356628 - Yup, our presence there is solely due to Obama and Hillary, and not the military industrial complex IKE warned about, backed by some of the most powerful private corporations in the world.

                        So, disgusted-356628, you are saying that President Obama and SOS Clinton are in the back pockets of the US Military Defense Industrial Complex.

                        Instead of some sort of Political Sound Bite, how about actually researching the US Military Defense Industrial Complex. Starting with President FDR's Nationalizing of US Businesses and US Industry to create the US Military Defense Industrial Complex to manufacturer "War Materials" to sell to England, France, Russia, China, etc. that got the US out of the Great Depression in 1939 before US Entry into WWII, 1941.

                        Now let's talk about the US Jobs, the current US Military Defense Industrial Complex employs directly and indirectly almost a Hundred Million Overpaid Too Expensive US Civilians. This is why by paying a "Fair and Living Wage" of Labor costs like $275 to manufacturer a $25 Hammer the US Taxpayers pay $300 for a Hammer for the US Military, the same occurs with the USAF Toilet Seat.

                        You think that President Obama and Secretary of Defense Leon Penetta do not know this, 2012, "A 10% (US) Defense Budget Cut will result in a Million (US) Citizens becoming Unemployed.".

                        The US Military Defense Industrial Complex is NOT some faceless entity.

                        President Eisenhower was a hypocrite, as without President FDR's US Military Defense Industrial Complex, General Eisenhower would have had to conduct the Normandy Invasion with small wooden row boats and donated weapons; so General Eisenhower would more than likely have failed, never became SACEUR, never became Famous and then never became President. Do you want to discuss General Smelly Butt too. President Eisenhower was also the President that allowed the US Labor Unions as owned by "Italian Organized Crime" to take over the "Work Force" again, after President FDR had previously, since the Great Depression, Suspended All US Labor Union Activities. The US Labor Unions then claimed that they had started President FDR's "Middle Class" and instituted Nationwide all those Federal Nationwide US Labor Initiatives of President FDR like Work Place Safety, Women in the Workplace (Women Work Force During WWII), Maximum Hours workand Minimum Hours Sleep (US Military Sleep Deprivation Studies), Federal Apprenticeship Programs, Universal Health Care for All US Citizens, Safety Committees, Skills for Pay Programs, etc. and those measures recommended by the US Military War Department Studies (especially the Study to decrease the numbers of Catastrophic Accidents at Munitions Plants and Factories).

                        In 2009 President Obama as Commander In Chief Ordered his US Military Defense Budget Cut of the USAF (F-22) and USN (One USN Aircraft Carrier Strike Group). US Congress screamed about the 95,000 direct US Civilian Jobs that would be lost pertaining to the F-22 and the indirect US Civilian Jobs that would be lost. The hundred thousand members of the affected US Labor Unions that maintain the one USN Aircraft Carrier Strike Group threatened to drive down from Virginia and Strike on the Steps of the Whitehouse; in 2012 President Obama backpedaled on the elimination of the One USN Aircraft Carrier Strike Group in his 2012 State of the Union Address. However, what he did not state was that the USN CVN-65 (USS Enterprise) Aircraft Carrier Strike Group would be Decommissioned and scraped after their Last Mission (Deployment).

                        Everyone born at the US after WWII are beneficiaries of the US Military Defense Industrial Complex; as President FDR figured out that "US Consumerism" would NEVER get the US out of the Great Depression and that the Sales of "War Materials" could and did. In President FDR's Presidential Papers, he later admitted how his "New Deal To the American People" Failed; and many other non related Projects Funded directly by the few remaining "Rich" actually succeeded. The idea of Taxing the Rich so much was also a Big Mistake as most of the Rich Fled the US, the start of extensive Banking at other Nations, and Investments at other Nations.

                        I keep using the example of the iPhone, iPad as Made In China versus just One F-15 Made In the US as sold to the US Ally Saudi Arabia. I was ROTFLMAO about the News Report saying that the Sales of iPhones would "Boost" the US Economy.

                        Also of consideration, the US Military Defense Budget does include those US Infrastructure Projects/Programs of the US Army Corps of Engineers. So when President Clinton Cut the US Military Defense Budget, Gutted the US Intelligence Agencies, and his Cut to the Bone Reduction In Forces of the US Military; this resulted in the US Army Corps of Engineers not having the Funds to Modify, Rebuild, Build New, Retrofit, etc. the Levees at New Orleans before Katrina, there was also a significant number of US Army Corps of Engineers no longer available as RIF'ed. And of course that Gutting of the US Intelligence Agencies left the US Blind and Deaf to World Events leaving the US open to the 9/11 2001 Attacks according to the US Congressional 9/11 Committees Investigations, Findings and Recommendations, and former President Clinton saying, "I'm So Sorry".

                        So now we have President Obama repeating the same mistakes and expecting a different result. President Obama as Commander In Chief Ordered Reduction In Forces of 90,000 US Military and 108,000 US Civilians employed by the US Military to be thrown on Unemployment. He and Secretary of Defense Leon Penetta stated the effects of a 10% US Defense Budget Cut, and yet are demanding a 11% (US) Defense Budget Cut. And has proposed the Closures of US Military Installations also, just like what President Clinton did before President Bush (43) 2005 BRAC. President Clinton's Closure of 14 US Military Installations resulted in the surrounding Towns and Cities to suffer near Great Depression Era Economies, with the US Contractors leaving those Areas, then the US Civilians employed by the US Contractors leaving, resulting in a significant loss of Local, City, State Taxes; then those paid by these Revenues fleeing, the loss of these and the US Military Personnel on these US Military Installations then ended up causing the loss of US Civilian Jobs of Fast Food, Retail, Car Dealerships, Utilities, Restaurants, Service Stations, etc. (loss of Local, City, State Business Taxes). This is why when ANY Politician regardless of Political Party mentions US Military Installation Closures it is always "Not at My State". Those of us still in the US Military that had the unfortunate pleasure to witness the effects of a US Military Installation Closure know all the details from Firsthand Experience and not the glossed over Politically Correct Historical nonsense.

                        So, those screaming their emotive opinions should be screaming to: Close the US Military Installations in their State. Demand that the US Military be allowed to kick out the Overpaid Too Expensive US Civilians employed by the US Military and fill these positions with the below minimum wages US Military like it was before; starting with the Pentagon. Allow the US Military to Purchase things from the Chinese and Russian Federation Militarises, that still take people out and execute them for Manufacturing Delays, Contract Disputes, Cost Overruns, Under Bidding on Purpose (Contract Fraud), etc. as to how they can spend less and get more quality products manufactured using current 21st Century US High Tech Automated Processes that are not allowed in the US due to the US Labor Unions written opposition to Fully Automated Plants/Factories since the 1980s (the difference being Handmade versus a CNC Machine with continuous Laser Measurements). This is how the Chinese and Russian Federation can spend Chinese Yuan and Russian Rouble of the equivalent of $0.10 while the US must pay $2.00 for the same "fasteners" (nuts and bolts), that may actually be relabeled as Made In the US after being repackaged from Made In China.

                        Before you say no, or name calling, go look up the US Congressional Records post WWI, Great Depression, post Vietnam RIFs and US Military "Drawdown" till Current. The Ongoing Study about the Effects of the Closure of Fort Ord, 1994 to Current. Effects after President Bush's (43) BRAC. President Obama's RIF and US Military Defense Budget Cuts. US Military Foreign Military Sales (including additional sales of US training, retrofits, upgrades, maintenance, manufacturing of repair parts, etc. at the US by US Civilians for decades).

                        Back on topic, how many of you actually have lived at Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, Iraq, Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Indonesia, Philippines, Peru, Brazil, Guatemala, etc.. Sure rely on some non participant writing crap from other peoples non factual opinions (also non participant's sensationalized Pulitzer material).

                        Coral Taxi,

                        I am still winning my argument, that Most Americans are TOO LAZY. And their: Popularity instead of Substance, Emotions instead of Logic, Opinions instead of Facts, Academic Idealism instead of Experience, Excuses instead of Results, etc..

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                        #10.9 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:59 PM EDT

                        David -

                        Many many Americans have lived in those and a slew of other countries. I have lived in (of those you listed) Turkey, Libya, Peru, and visited a few more of them. Of those not on you pet list I have also lived in El Salvador, and Panama, and visited at least six more. Your comments are not relevant and your guesses wrong.

                          #10.10 - Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:12 PM EDT
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                          There's a bunch over here that need to be banned.

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                          Reply#11 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:57 AM EDT

                          yep how dare these ragheads take all the 7-11 and motel jobs that rightyly belong to the Mexicans.......er i mean..... Americans......:)

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                          #11.1 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:03 PM EDT

                          I don't see your unemployed friends lining up for those 7-11 jobs.

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                          #11.2 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:06 PM EDT

                          gee disgusted, bet your a real fun guy to have around, with a handle like that it really really shows, will you come to my next party? please, please, oh pretty please..................................:)

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                          #11.3 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:19 PM EDT

                          Dude, you can't throw smiley faces in at the end of your posts as a way of hiding the fact that you are here stirring the pot of negativity. I happen to be great at parties, but my BS detector is strong, and you have yet to add a single point of substance to this thread.

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                          #11.4 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:24 PM EDT

                          ok you want substance? how about this little tidbit, do your really believe ANY-ONES rants and tripe on here are going to change one damn thing? even one mind? so why not spread a little humor into peoples days who enjoy it? don't like it fine, its your CHOICE, you can alway CHOOSE to block me or go with the ever present "collapse this post" option that is the primary weapon of CHOICE for most on here (especially on weekends) when they read something they don't agree with. those who think consider that sort of nonsense censorship BTW. so in closing as W.C fields would say...

                          Go away son ya bother me.........................:)

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                          #11.5 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:36 PM EDT

                          No, no collapse, no reporting. Not my style. I come to these threads for discourse and relish when I find quality discourse - our nation was founded upon it and it is sorely needed right now. In all seriousness, it is obvious you do not come for that reason, but I just can't conceive of someone posting something on a forum and not expecting responses. Sorry mine were not the ones you wanted. Take care.

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                          #11.6 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:41 PM EDT

                          no problem disgusted, no two people are the same.i enjoy different opinions. generally i don't respond but boredom is an ever present enemy when im not on a contract, so this gives me something to do. one can chose to laugh or cry, i choose to laugh. but hey keep in touch, and have a great weekend. think i will send ya an invite except it or not....your choice.....later

                            #11.7 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:49 PM EDT

                            I enjoy your sense of humor, in particular post #11.5!!! LOL!!!! I pictured W.C. saying that famous line and had a great chuckle!!!! Thanks!!!

                              #11.8 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:49 PM EDT
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                              hey hillary, i don't like my neighbors either......hows about dropping me off some money? oh that's right ....we don't care about this country.........just the towel heads, i forgot the "WE pay THEY play" rule.....never-mind.......:)

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                              Reply#12 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:00 PM EDT

                              That's right, Hillary cares more about the Middle East than the US. Your personal insight is so keen and it is obvious you don't simply parrot what you hear from pundits that are nothing but entertainers. News flash - your idols who feed you your thoughts are the ones who truly care more about lining their pockets than informing, and thereby improving, the minds of the citizenry.

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                              #12.1 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:05 PM EDT

                              Yeah, this is another one who's learned everything he knows from a Fox News pop-up book.

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                              #12.2 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:11 PM EDT

                              And I will not defend those on MSNBC or CNN, because they are not much different. But yes, I think it is obvious where the specific source of this particular line of thinking is derived from.

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                              #12.3 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:16 PM EDT

                              sorry dont have cable guys...........

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                              #12.4 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:22 PM EDT
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                              Why should we care what the Afgan read or not read? Do they know how to read?

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                              Reply#13 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:09 PM EDT

                              Because we know how important the free exchange of information is to a healthy nation. We're backing the Afghan government, and it's trying to suppress critical publications. Not a good sign.

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                              #13.1 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:13 PM EDT

                              The Afghan government is as corrupt a bunch of misfits and wannabe despots as has ever been assembled in one place, and the Afghan people know it. Hamid Karzai was a brutal thug who sided with the Soviets during their occupation, and with the Taliban when it was convenient. He was a convenient figurehead for our initial anti-Taliban operations only because he was the warlord in charge of the area surrounding our bases in northern Afghanistan. If we had come through the south, the political landscape in Kabul would be completely different than it is today.

                              These Pakistani publications are subversive, muck-raking hate rags that have absolutely no basis in reality. There can be no free exchange of ideas in a society that is willfully ignorant. If you have to rely on other people to not only read your news for you, but to then tell you what it means, you are not thinking for yourself.

                                #13.2 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:18 PM EDT
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                                Hekkk, theyyyy cannnot read, they only look at the pictures uno! & the French cartoon caperzz of their leederz like Mhoohummuddy n' EYEatollaaaah KOOK-ahhhMEENEEY, N ARRRRMeeenieeahaad.

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                                Reply#14 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:17 PM EDT

                                ok i give up....too many meds or lack thereof?......................:)

                                  #14.1 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:25 PM EDT

                                  Come on people, Denko95 is being humorous by talking with an accent. Can't you get it? It's pretty funny.

                                    #14.2 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:54 PM EDT
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                                    Moslems and Pakistanis in particular never have any love in their hearts.Please look at the latest news that proves Pakistani Army, their spy agency and their population are terrorists and have been for since beginning of time:

                                    Islamabad: A Pakistani minister today announced a bounty of USD 100,000 on the head of the maker of an anti-Islam film that has sparked violent protests, shocking many people with his announcement.

                                    Ghulam Ahmed Bilour, who heads the Railway Ministry, said the reward would be given to the person who kills the filmmaker.

                                    He contended there was no other way to protest and instill fear among blasphemers than to murder of the filmmaker.

                                    He also called on members of the banned Taliban and Al Qaeda for their support, saying members of these organizations too will be rewarded if they eliminate the maker of the blasphemous film.

                                    Mr Bilour's announcement, made during a news conference in the northwestern city of Peshawar, caused consternation as he belongs to the secular Awami National Party (ANP) that rules Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province and is part of the ruling coalition at the centre.

                                    Political leaders expressed shock at his remarks as the Taliban has killed scores of workers and leaders of the ANP.

                                    His remarks came a day after violent protests across Pakistan resulted in 23 deaths and destruction of property worth billions of rupees.

                                    Surprisingly, Mr Bilour acknowledged that he was committing a crime by instigating people to murder but said he was prepared to be a criminal for this cause.

                                    "If there is a case lodged against me in an international court or in this country's courts, I will ask people to hand me over to (foreign countries)... I want to show these countries that we will not tolerate such things," he was quoted as saying by the Pakistani media.

                                    At least 30 people have died so far in unrest connected to the film in over 20 countries. More than 20 people have been killed in violent protests in Pakistan.

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                                    Reply#15 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:25 PM EDT

                                    So what's his next step? Track down every poster on the internet that says anything negative!!! Wow, scary!

                                      #15.1 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:52 PM EDT

                                      The Pakistani Railway Minister also said there needed to be a GLOBAL blasphemy law so that anyone who says anything about Allah and his prophet are killed. Wow, really? Thankfully people of other faiths feel their God is big enough (hence the reason they are divine) not to care what a human says and don't try to kill everyone. LOL!

                                        #15.2 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:53 PM EDT
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                                        denko95,

                                        How did you pass first grade?

                                          Reply#16 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:31 PM EDT

                                          1970-the idea of making that area into a glass table top wasn't so bad after all.

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                                          Reply#17 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:35 PM EDT

                                          cept for the fact the prevailing winds were likely to blow radiation all over causing mutations....could you imagine a bunch of six legged lions tigers and bears....oh my... and what if it effected women and they grew a couple more breasts, then we...... hey...wait a minute.......nevermind, it may have worked after all..............:)

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                                          #17.1 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:42 PM EDT
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                                          So much for "spreading democracy."

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                                          Reply#18 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:39 PM EDT

                                          Eliminating the newspapers may seem like an effort to stop information from getting to the people so they will stay enslaved to those in power.But I believe you can't stop what has already started.Not everyone believes Americans are evil. It is the youth and extremists getting the attention. Which our media is showing us. It isn't showing the good work being done by others in those countries unfortunately, through independent news sources. But the country is made up of many more people than that. And the steps towards more freedoms has already started.

                                          Based on the comments of many here, it would seem if these countries should destroy themselves, down to the last soul, many people would be very happy.It is easy to make sweeping statements and label everyone in a group or country with the same title. Just like it is easy to stick the same label on whites and blacks in our country or educated and uneducated. Then we don't have to stop and consider we may be wrong.

                                          When villages get bombed,those who die, may be pro-Americans. It makes things more complicated. No, much easier to just stick everyone into the same box. Heaven forbid we might end up caring about those little children, that young teenage girl, those elderly folks trying to live peacefully. I guess, our tolerance for each other is the best example we can demonstrate to the world in the end. Just take a look at how well we let others share their opinions.

                                          "All that's necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing.” -Edmund Burke

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                                          #18.1 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:54 PM EDT

                                          I want a second opinion. Remember, beauty as with every thing, is in the eye of the beholder. The only ones that don't believe Americans are not evil are those partners in crime, all others don't believe, they know they are evil. Remember what happened when the retard pervert of Texas refused to stop 9/11? The whole world celebrated, even those we expect to side with us. Of course others took to heart that balone, threat from the retard pervert about if not with us, you are against us, ergo, since they have families, they decided to keep it low, but at first it looked like the world had seen the seocnd coming of Jesus, that happy were they. For a nation that supposedly loves law and order and "peace" we seem to be too busy waging war, taking over oil fields, torturing, killings, committing genocide for us to notice that nobody likes, loves a tyrant. If the Nazis were loved by the world, then you might be right, but I doubt that the world can love a despot. Just preaching democracy isn't going to cut it any longer. Think outside the box.

                                            #18.2 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:31 PM EDT

                                            Hell no - your use of genocide here is entirely misplaced and inaccurate. The small percent of illegal acts committed by some military members is not enough to paint us as evil tyrants. The large majority of our military are not engaged in those activities. You are generalizing and I bet you have never served or you would know better. If you have something to say about Bush or any other leader, how about leaving the name calling out and talking about something of substance? Eh?

                                            Congress, both sides of the aisle, voted to make a response with a show of force after 9/11. Unfortunately, this is an ideology that will not go away like Nazism. This is different than anything else we have encountered. What would have happened had we taken a different course of action, like no military action again the Taliban or Al Queida is an unknown. Hindsight is 20/20. I doubt choosing no reaction at all would have prevented further attacks. The mindset of the terrorist leaders doesn't care about those things. They vent their wrath anyway based on very simple ideals, that we are all infidels.

                                            Winddancersong, I agree with you. The reality is, some people in Middle Eastern countries want freedom, but are also torn by their cultural and religious ideals. I salute the good things we have done in trying to provide freedom of choice for some of these nations. However, this is a battle that we will not be able to win; it is not a conventional battle. We cannot force democracy on them. And not every country will get to a democracy that looks like ours. The people of those countries have to decide what they want, to make a balance between tradition, religion and freedoms. They will have to chose their own path.

                                            I believe that 10 years is enough and we need to get our military people out. We cannot afford the expenditures. And we cannot afford any more deaths or permanent injuries. The Middle East is complicated. Not all Arabs are Muslims, those who are Muslim are Shiite or Sunni or some other sect and don't get along, their countries have been at odds with each other. The only thing they generally can agree on is killing anyone who insults their religion. They will need to work it out amongst themselves. We can expend energy on protecting our citizens within our country and monitoring events, not backing anyone. But our troops need to come home.

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                                            #18.3 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:17 PM EDT

                                            One thing for sure, Kemo Sabe you are not. I haven't seen you in these latitudes, ergo, you don't know that when I say something, I'll back it up with data. I just don't "refudiate" others with just baloney, slogan peddlings. I have always say that the adage about beauty is in the eye of the beholder is one, if not the wisest one of the whole bunch and you prove that point to a tee. Genocide is not considered genocide if it meets with your approval; if genocide were to be left to the criminals or their descendants to approve or disapprove, then the Nazis didn't commit genocide either, because they, along with others, denied ever took place.

                                            There are plenty of sources out there that clearly indicate, show the many times, since its foundation, genocide has been committed by this "Christian and democratic" nation.

                                            Actually when I was looking for the worse of the worst, guess who I found in their midst and you will be surprised who is, was, because I didn't think he was supposed to be there: Nixon. Now, remember, some media just want to lightly bring facts to the forefront, cause they have papers, TV ads, commercials to sell and they can't slap the hand that feeds them, ergo, they compromise or lie, but the truth is never be known with them. Well, they have Nixon with 70,000 innocent civilians killed. Other sources, internet sources, have his civilians killed in the millions plus and G.I.s killed at 58,000.

                                            Let me cut and paste what others say about genocide and that you, so conveniently and obviously want to avoid. "The American impulse to genocide began with the birth of the EuroAmerican ruling class in 1783. For over a century it was aimed at native Americans and imported slaves and lasted until the ‘frontier’ was filled by EuroAmericans. Native Americans were almost extinguished and corralled into concentration camps and African Americans were held in an updated form of slavery, Jim Crow. The genocidal impulse continued in the conquests of the Spanish American war, the first of many US wars of imperial aggression. In the Philippines the US invasion and occupation killed over a million civilians from 1899 to 1902. (1)" And this is just the beginning.

                                            The rulers of the US never looked backed and throughout the last century piled genocide on genocide in their quest to be the Novum Romanum Imperium. During WWII in the skies over Europe the USAAF and its junior partner the RAF murdered well over half a million German civilians and 67 thousand French civilians in deliberate attacks aimed at civilians. In Japan, exclusive of the murders at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, 67 Japanese cities were firebombed from January to August, 1945, killing half a million civilians.

                                            In recent decades Democrats and Republicans have used the US military and CIA to invade and attack Afghanistan (daily), Bahrain, Cambodia, Chile, Cuba, El Salvador, Grenada, Guatemala, Haiti (repeatedly), Iraq (repeatedly), Iran (repeatedly), Korea, Laos, (repeatedly), Libya, Nicaraguan, Pakistan, Palestine (dialy), Panama, Serbia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Vietnam and Yemen. The most horrendous genocides since WWII was committed in Vietnam and surrounding countries when Democrat LBJ and Republican Nixon murdered millions of civilians and over 58,209 GIs and wasting the lives of hundreds of thousands of others. In the last part of the last century Bill Clinton ordered the deaths of half a million Iraqi children (2) and Bush’s invasion and attempted occupation cost half a million more lives. (For a more complete look read Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II by William Blum, Peter Scott and Larry Bleidner)"

                                            To tell you the truth, I wasn't looking for Nixon, because he came at the end of the movie and he inherited the war from LBJ, but don't go tea partier on me and said: Aha, Nixon was not, because I already told you I didn't even know he was one.

                                            Actually, I was looking for the retard pervert from Texas, because and Ivy League study has him killing over one million plus innocent civilians and here is the kicker that so conveniently and obviously you decided to hide, or to ignore, but whatever the real reason is, was, the retard pervert and his cadre of war criminals better don't go to Europe ever, cause arrest warrants are ready to go the minute one of those war criminals ever put foot in their soil. If that is not an obvious corroboration of genocide, then you are more stuopid than I give you credit for.

                                            Since you seemed to be too drunk with that kool aid, let me cut and paste what others more knowledgeable in the subject say: "Iraq is a clear-cut case of genocide".

                                            According to the Convention:

                                            Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, such as:

                                            a) Killing members of the group;
                                            b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm;
                                            c) Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or part;
                                            d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
                                            e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

                                            Complicity in genocide must embody:. But let me leave it there, cause it's too damn long to paste, but if these other sources that investigate and know better than you don't convince you, then not even the second coming of Jesus would, so why even try? I just want to try to rebut or so you can better understand, let me use "refudiate" which by your comments it's right up your alley and it will be easier for you to dig, dig it?
                                            On all other issues, you are preaching to the choir. In penance for lying, consciously or unconscioulsy, say five Our Fathers, 10 Hail Marys and call me in the morning and I'll send other more intelligent people to tutor you on world history and current events. In history, you get a zero. Or if you prefer I'll give you an F. Remember, you can have your opinion, but not your own facts. You're welcome!

                                              #18.4 - Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:15 PM EDT
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                                              The economy being what is, prices rising wages frozen, shortages, etc I came upon a unique plan I think we all should try.

                                              Just write, personally, to President Obama. Tell him you hate the U.S., you have been offended by something or other and in less than 24 hours you will receive a written letter of apology and 1.2 billion in aid.

                                              Seems to work for all of the countries in the Middle East.

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                                              Reply#19 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:39 PM EDT

                                              I surrender... no c-ment, maybe later.

                                                Reply#20 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:49 PM EDT

                                                What are the chances the ISI is hiding Mullah Omar and/or Ayman Zawahiri?

                                                  Reply#21 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:05 PM EDT

                                                  Take a good hard look at that picture, it may never happen again...The two biggest theives rulers there are. Together over the last 5 years they have sucked over 12 billion dollars of your hard earned tax money,and there countries are in constant turmoil...How's it feel to played for a sucker by these con artist

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                                                  Reply#22 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:10 PM EDT

                                                  Get the hell out of the hell hole extending from Morocco to Pakistan! Let them all kill each other, their Allah will sort them out. If we would have a rational energy policy here at home/Canada/Mexico....buying us 1--+ years while we still work on alternative fuels/technology that actually makes cents (I said cents on purpose quizzlings)...we could flip these Arab @!$%#s the fickle finger of fate and bid them farewell. But Obama won't tap our resources, he prefers us to be beholden to the "Brotherhood."

                                                  For the love of Pete, this is not rocket science. Get outta there! Also...if you're scratching your head how we are going to get out of this gawd-awful mess called the 16+TRILLION dollar sledgehammer...duh...develop our own energy resources instead of spending BILLION if not TRILLIONS over seas. Take OUR untapped resources (oil, oil shale, oil sands, coal, natural gas...nuclear power (hey the French run 80% on nukes)...and the revenues taxed on our OWN resources will be the ONLY way we'll ever get this 16 trillion lb gorilla off our back. It's going to be you younger folks that are going to suffer the consequences brought to you by everyone from FDR on forward. Throw in Dick Nixon for getting us off the gold standard, season it with a little Bush and a whole lot of Obama policy...and what you get is a recipe for disaster (and one hell of a belly ache.)

                                                  Wake up America...the answer is right under your feet! Screw the Arab world.

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                                                  Reply#23 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:14 PM EDT

                                                  just more Mideast hype perpetrated by our own media i have it from a "reliable source" that one of them put an Mitt Romney sign in their yard and..................:)

                                                    Reply#24 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:23 PM EDT

                                                    Troops serving Overseas will NOT GET TO VOTE IN 2012 Election because of Obama~ MSM still sniffing out Romneys taxes! google it !

                                                    DOD "accidently" Forgot to mail out the Ballots by the 9-21-12 deadline.

                                                    Eric Holder hard at work defending the voting rights of NO ID VOTERS. Holder using tens of Millions of OUR TAX $ to trample States rights by suing them.

                                                    As to our soldiers risking life n Limb.....Obama (DOD) says tough sh*t Soldiers!

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                                                    #24.1 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:32 PM EDT

                                                    We all know the Military is primarily R Is that why Obama DOD "forgot" to mail 2012 ballots to Troops?

                                                    Doesn't the MSM care about the Voter Suppression?

                                                    Gee was that poor ambassador a Republican also? Typical 2 faced dishonest Leftest Democrats. Notice the MSM let Obama hide under their dress on this story. (again)

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                                                    #24.2 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:38 PM EDT
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                                                    America stood up and declared itself independent from Britian in 1776. If these countrie want Independence from their insane Religion they need to stand up and do it themselves. If not they deserve what they accept.

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                                                    Reply#25 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:33 PM EDT

                                                    Well you got that right!!! We'll never force our version of a free country, of democracy on these backward stoneagers. Why are we still trying???? We need to get the hell out and fix our own country!!!! Same with Mexico too. WE need to stop letting them get away with entering this country illegally and expect them to fight for their own freedoms in their OWN country!!!

                                                      #25.1 - Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:57 PM EDT

                                                      skrewdworld

                                                      We'll never force our version of a free country, of democracy on these...

                                                      Should we be forcing democracy on a country? Not every society has the type of cultural environment that will support and sustain democracy.

                                                      we have had eough

                                                      If these countrie (sic) want independence from their insane Religion they need to stand up and do it themselves.

                                                      The world is a lot more complex than it was in 1776. Afghanistan is a multicultural nation comprised of people with ties to all of its neighbors.

                                                        #25.2 - Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:13 AM EDT
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