The problem is that for the most part, it is the violent Muslims who are the vocal ones. Most of the ones against the violence stand mute and say nothing publicly against the violence. Yes, in one on one conversations with reporters they will say they are against the violence but few if any of them will stand up in public and denounce it. The shift towards a more civil tone on the part of a handful of Muslim leaders was only because of the destruction that was being done to their own country, not because they are truly against the violence. If they were truly against the violence they would be denouncing the Pakistani government minister who offered a bounty on the film maker, calling for the film maker to be murdered. So long as they remain silent when these death threats are made over nothing more than a person exercising their right to free speech, Muslims will continue to be seen as a violent and hateful people. Average Muslims need to be out there denouncing this Pakistani and calling for him to retract his statements or be prosecuted, not sitting there and endorsing his actions through their silence. As the is often the case, silence is seen as consent. Until mainstream Muslims start raising their voice publicly to denounce those committing the violence nothing will change. The violence will continue and the rest of the world will see this violent minority as representative of the feelings of all Muslims. We need to see more Muslims taking action against the militants like what we saw in Libya a few days ago. Then and only then will the world view of Muslims begin to change.

Yes, in one on one conversations with reporters they will say they are against the violence but few if any of them will stand up in public and denounce it.

Average Muslims need to be out there denouncing this Pakistani and calling for him to retract his statements or be prosecuted, not sitting there and endorsing his actions through their silence.

According to their religion, they must then be put to death. Honor you know. You are asking them to become "buffet" Muslims, kind of like the "buffet" Christians; "I'll take a little of this, some of that, none of that, oh I don't like that part so I'll skip that...."

Religion everyone, a reason for the ignorant to congregate and get violent the world over because humans need another reason to act stupidly.

Crazy Talk Kid,

"humans need another reason to act stupidly."

No, they don't need any reason at all to act stupidly. Humans are very good at acting stupidly. They act stupidly in all sorts of ways that don't even have anything to do with religion. What makes you think they need a reason for it?

Attention to all Muslims everywhere: Get your priorities straight, and NOW.

Someone makes fun of you or your God or Prophet: Denounce that, speak out about why that's wrong or hurtful to you.

Someone actually HARMS OR KILLS another human being because they or their God / Prophet were made fun of, or they just plain ol' got offended... Your reaction needs to be way, WAY stronger than "denouncing" it. You peaceful, law abiding Muslims need to take a LOUD, AGRESSIVE stand against others who claim to share your religion but commit these acts of violence...or you need to join them, and just as loudly. Why should you do that? So the rest of us will know which Muslim is friend and which one is foe. Because if you DON'T pick a side and make it obvious, your silence will be interpreted by all others as tolerance for (or outright approval of) the disgusting violence your fellow Muslims are clearly guilty of. Sadly, in today's world, there is NO SUCH THING as a "neutral Muslim". At that point, you are one of the bad ones in our eyes, and just as guilty as they are.

We are asking why the silent majority of Muslims don't come out to protest against the violent. Do we ask why the silent majority of Americans to come out and protest against the film? Doesn't that make it seem to the Muslims that we approve of the film?

They became aware that the cash flow was about to be stopped. That is the reason for the counter protest IMO.

The headline says "Many Muslims denouncing........ It's a start, but it doesn't mean a damn thing until it's the majority that denounce the violence. That isn't going to happen any time soon because the religious leaders can only stay in power by keeping their followers down and telling them that the only thing they need to know is their interpretation of the Koran (Quran, whatever). They will hang on to their power by whatever means they can. Oh well, one of these years Islam will mature and learn that it's survival depends not on violence against those that disagree, but more on tollerance and getting along peacefully with the rest of the civilized world.

According to JD in SD,

"the violent Muslims who are the vocal ones. Most of the ones against the violence stand mute and say nothing publicly against the violence. "

"a more civil tone on the part of a handful of Muslim leaders was only because . . . not because they are truly against the violence."

Muslims will never be ok in the eyes of anti-Islamic bigots. You criticize the majority of innocent Muslims whether they do or they don't denounce the minority who actually committed the violence. They'll never get it right in your view, will they?

JmB66:

So, according to your slant, every Christian tat doesn't hold all the violent tenets of Christianity, such as killing the Gentile who dares touch a Jew or stoning the harlot, is a "buffet" Christian. You do realize that many of the Old Testaments admonishments are clearly illegal in the US.

There is Benji using the Bigot word again not realizing the manner in which he is using it is actually showing him to clearly be the bigot. You can't pretend to have some kind of moral high ground when your below sea level in terms of human decency or understanding.

The reason muslims are getting a bad reputation is because of the highly publicized violent and ignorant behavior of large groups of radical muslims. We see a sea of people at protests burning the flag and chanting death to america. For some strange reason the Americans don't think too highly about that, it doesn't make them bigoted to look down at such behavior as inflammatory and dangerous.

It becomes hard to respect a group of people that become offended at such trivial and silly things and becomes even harder when the response to such small offenses becomes a huge mob of hateful people killing and smashing everything in sight. Even if it is not the majority of the religion, it is the religion itself that is reason these people become this insane. You also don't see a majority of moderate muslims speaking out against it, you really don't see the huge sea of people speaking of love and asking for understanding and a stop to the violence. But anytime it is about death and hatred the radical muslims come in droves.

Because we see this, this leads people that don't see the day to day activity there to view the religion and the area as caustic ignorant religious zealots.

This doesn't mean that the majority of muslims are the ones breaking windows and burning buildings and chanting death to america, however when that is majority of what we see , it leads us to infer that large amounts of muslims are dangerous caustic people.

if the Tea Party were carrying and using machine guns and RPGs, you might be silent about them as well... unless... of course... you're Tea Party (are you?)

No you don't stand silently when there is mass rioting and murders happening flagrantly in your streets. Especially when the cause is over a poorly done movie about your god, and people are dying and your upset about being seen as violent so you react in a violent manner to show how non violent you are.

Let's say you've been in a totalitarian country for the last 40 years where anything said against the powers that be would cost you a hand or your head... then all of a sudden you're "free". Exactly how "loud" would YOU yell against a machine gun wielding extremist?

how loud? probably with a big BANG against a violent gun wielding extremist as the use of logic and reason does not work against someone who denounces it.

And what makes you so sure that this whole thing wasn't drummed up by a few extremists to try to affect our election? Or to commemorate 911? Or to cause distractions for their own gain? Simply stated, you can't be sure.

Because it wasn't just a few, these were thousands of extremists going crazy, and to effect the election? in what way? to get Obama out of office so what? Romney could win? that makes no sense and if they knew anything about the politics enough to the point to try to affect it here then they would know that Romney has no plans to not meddle with the middle east, they should know that it would only mean more problems there.

Lmarc...we don't all hate Muslims (do we?)..... Not all muslims, just Islam. Arabs/North Africans - live and let live...no problem if far away from me and mine. Arabs who follow Islam - yep, lot of strong dislike. Strong enough to want zero to do with any of it, regardless of what continent or island "they" may hail from. It is what it is.

JS in SD

The shift towards a more civil tone on the part of a handful of Muslim leaders was only because of the destruction that was being done to their own country, not because they are truly against the violence.

And

Captn Curtass

That isn't going to happen any time soon because the religious leaders can only stay in power by keeping their followers down and telling them that the only thing they need to know is their interpretation of the Koran (Quran, whatever).

These are only two of the "expert theologians" I referenced below in comment #14. As I mentioned there, the Grand Mufti (a religious leader) of Saudi Arabia (a country that does not have or allow these types of protests), has denounced the violence. While I am sure there are many doctrines of his that I do not subscribe to or understand, I appreciate him speaking out on this. I don't have the time to read all of your posts, but, methinks that this is not the only time someone has proven you two wrong. I know, I am so old-fashioned relying on facts. Even if you don't believe what I've written, there is a place where you can find redemption for all your hateful language...it called a Byble (Beeble, whatever). If you read it and take it to heart, you will find that your attitude towards other human beings is wrong. You will also find that you can repent, change your ways, and be forgiven. Of course, you don't want to do that. That would cancel your current "reservation" at that "hotel" where you'll spend the rest of eternity. I hear it's really HOT! You'll being mingling with so many famous people!...OBL, Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, Timothy McVeigh, Dick Cheney...the list goes on! Of course, you'll also be with a lot of the Islamic fringe that you want to attach to all Muslims. I know...I'm giving you a bad rep. If I were to snoop around a bit, I would probably find that you are an equal opportunist when it comes to hate. The sad part is, unless you have broken all your mirrors, you probably come face to face, a few times a day, with the person you hate the most.

The "talking points" of many individuals here are a little dated and extremely uninformed. Try sourcing some new information before regurgitating other peoples' propaganda. In EVERY corner of the world you will find beauty and in EVERY corner of the world you will find ugliness. Which corner are you living in?

So, according to your slant, every Christian tat doesn't hold all the violent tenets of Christianity, such as killing the Gentile who dares touch a Jew or stoning the harlot, is a "buffet" Christian.

No piglizard, according to my slant, I mean people like YOU. You just googled a bit to satisfy your own answer. Get back to me after you've studied the Bible extensively. And the internet doesn't count. Also, emphasis on your own words Old Testament..

99.9% of Muslims are peaceful until you mention Israel and the Jewish people then their tongue swell and boils and their eyes turn blood red. Just throw holy water at them and run for your life.

Unless somebody counted 1,550,000,001 Muslims protesting, to say the "majority" is clearly a false statement. There are 2.1 billion Muslims worldwide and in many of the countries where these protests are taking place, the Muslim population is very close to 100%. In Egypt there are 82.5 million people. Comparatively speaking for the region, the percentage that are Muslim there is low at 90%. So if the majority were protesting, we'd be talking about 37.2 million. If one were to estimate the crowds you have seen on the news and even counted them once for every time you saw a report regardless of where it was, the total number wouldn't even began to approach a majority of Egyptian Muslims or of any other mainly Muslim country. The reports talk about hundreds and thousands. You would have be having protests in the tens of millions everywhere if we were to even approach anything close to a majority.

Now if these protests were happening like this in some Midwestern town with Muslim protesters numbering in the thousands, you might be able to suggest that it approaches the majority of Muslims in that area. But we tend to forget that the demographics worldwide are considerably different than here in the US. Even here in the US our demographics vary widely by region. Keep this in mind. If current trends continue, by 2030, one in three people worldwide will be Muslim. Today it stands at 30%.

Are the majority of Muslims upset or view this thing negatively? Sure, that is potentially possible. I would wager to say the the majority of Christians get upset when thing like suggestions that Jesus was gay come out. Even more recently, the story about Jesus possibly being married has many upset. So if Jesus were described as Mohammad was in this crappy little film, it might be safe to think that the majority of Christians would be upset or see it negatively. From time to time we see some big protests here over things like abortion and we aren't even a religious theocracy. And sad to say, we have had a religious based protest or two that has gotten violent. And we are used to free speech.

It ia far to easy to sit back and make generalities about things we have absolutely no proof of. We Americans tend to look at things from our perspective and the people in those countries look at things from their perspective. How can we expect them to see it from our viewpoint when we can't even begin to understand their viewpoint?But what I see this article saying is that basically, the majority of people worldwide with any knowledge of the topic, see violence as an inappropriate reaction. If you can't see that, you might consider that you are holding some unjustifiable bias.

I'm OK with Jesus being married. It's not a big deal for me. Now, to suggest that Jesus was puffing and stuffing peter, that is a bit offensive. But I still won't riot and kill someone for making a movie about it.

Look I am pretty opinionated, actually very. I know, and I thing]k most Americans are pretty aware that the majority of Muslims are not violent, or anything close to what we have seen here in the last few years. I have many muslim friends and of course they are not like that. The problem is no matter your bias, is that Americans are getting killed over something ridiculous. Yet it is like our idiot protester here in Merica.OCCUPY! I can almost garuntee that the majority of the actual protesters hav not a god damn clue what they are actually protesting. We have enough problems here and guess what it is only going to get worse. We will be at war again and it will be soon. And yes it will be in the Middle East. I can honestly say that it makes me feel so much better as an American that are country is actually embracing our soldiers! Thats been a huge problem for me knowing Americans are making such a hasle about our troops. Our Brave men and Woman know what dangers they are going into, does it make it easier? Hell know it doesnt but th majorityare proud to serve and possibly die for the country they love!

It's just a few bad apples - most are peaceful... meanwhile over in Pakistan!

-pakistan-official-offers-100000-reward-for-killing-of-maker-of-anti-prophet-muhammad-film?

Very good post. Time people stand up for those who help keep this country free. If you have never served

you have no idea what the military go through, pit their paychecks against what the politicans are making

and see how different their lives are. No one has the right to condemn religion. I do not agree with a lot of it, it isn't Bible, but they are they ones who have to face God on judgment day. We can pray for all the misguided but they are the ones who will pay. Thank you for your post. M.Correll

The NBC reporters , who interviewed these Muslims , need to explain to them the following: In America they have freedom of expression and thought. Americans are free to criticize any religion or philosophy of life and they do. Christianity has been mocked by those who took a Christian symbol and immersed it in urine and claimed it was art. It was displayed in an art exhibit. Christians, while disturbed by this blasphemy , as you were by criticism of Muhammad, didn't riot and burn and kill over it. They did not issue fatwas to have the" artist" murdered.

America is committed to freedom of speech. You are going to have to accept this reality. They are not going to allow you to dictate the rules that govern their lives. They don't believe in Muhammad or in Allah. They don't believe you have the right to dictate to them how they think and behave. You believe that women are inferior to men and should be controlled by them. They do not. If you riot , burn and kill to force America to accept the Islamic view of women, they will refuse to accept your view. They claim the right to think for themselves and adopt a culture which they value even if you abhor it.

We need to tell the truth to Muslims rather than confusing them by deploring the exercise of freedom of speech in our society. Unless we stand up for our values they will never respect us. If we continue to apologize for them , they will continue to attack them until we have jettisoned everything that we stand for , such as : freedom of speech , religion , equal treatment for all under the law , equal treatment for women , separation of church and state.

"There they go again!"

I get so sick of people ESPECIALLY politicians (yours and mine) who say, "THE AMERICAN PEOPLE blah, blah, blah..."

NO...the AMERICAN PEOPLE don't blah blah blah. SOME, American people blah blah blah. We are clearly a divided nation (so sad) so stop saying we all believe this way or that way.

Gary said...

America is committed to freedom of speech. You are going to have to accept this reality. They are not going to allow you to dictate the rules that govern their lives. They don't believe in Muhammad or in Allah.

Please Gary...don't speak for me. Oh heck, why limit ourselves? Don't speak at all. While you may be atheist (and, I support you in that Gary), many Americans do believe in God (you refer to Him as Allah). It's even on our currency...in God We Trust.

Anyway Gary, while I appreciate the advice you gave to NBC and "these Muslims," I am curious what YOU are doing to make a difference? Hey Gary, if by some chance you aren't atheist, do you believe in Jesus? If you do, do you believe that what you are doing is being a good "witness?" Oh Gary, Gary, Gary. Don't worry...I'm gonna pray for you.

Not covered here on NBC, the interview with Morsi that he gave to the NYT. He stated that the West had to accomodate themselves to Arabs. He also bragged that he was 100% Muslim Brotherhood. Taqiyya comes to mind (no, don't go into semanitics here, I am using the commonly accepted definition) and until the Muslim community educates itself the violence and attacks will continue. While the initial claims for peace are stated, the violence and death threats continue unabated. No amount of rationalization will elevate a 'hope' into truth, actions are what are necessary and those actions need to be consistent and pervasive. Talking the talk while doing something contrary to the talk is essentially voicing a lie.

JS in SD

The problem is that for the most part, it is the violent Muslims who are the vocal ones. Most of the ones against the violence stand mute and say nothing publicly against the violence. Yes, in one on one conversations with reporters they will say they are against the violence but few if any of them will stand up in public and denounce it.

You may want to keep up with the news of the world. In Benghazi, a group of mostly unarmed protestors stormed the compound of Ansar Al-Shariah, the militant group responsible for the attack that killed the US Ambassador and others. Ansar Al-Shariah abandoned the compound after firing some warning shots into the air.

The protestors then moved onto the compound of another militia group in Benghazi, Rafallah Sahati. The militia opened fired on the protestors, wounding scores of them. There are reports of a few deaths amongst the protestors..

Doesn't sound like they're mute. Some of them even took a bullet.

Gary,

I've read all the official statements and I don't think anyone in our government was "apologizing". It is fine for the ruling party to point out that what an individual says, and what government policy is, are two different things. I don't read that as an apology. In our country you are free to have beliefs that vary from policy and you are free to express those beliefs as long as yoiu don't act on them in such a way that violates law. That very concept is very foreign to them and I'm sure most don't begin to understand it. To them, if you don't agree with policy, you'd better be ready to be punished for it.

I don't think that having an expectation that they should understand our principles and accept them, makes any more sense than us just accepting their principles. We shouldn't be surprised that sometimes they don't accept our ideas. They shouldn't be surprised that we don't accept all of theirs.

That said, we should realize that sometimes we have a tendency to try to force our ideas on them. We do it in international forums and we sometimes do it with military force. We might, for example, invade a country who we think might be trying to defend themselves by amassing certain weapons that we don't think they should have. We call it a threat, they think of it as a defense. We tend to be more "influential" than they are. They got the nut case in Pakistan who thinks blasphemy against Mohammad should be prohibited and punishable by international law. Fat chance of that happening, but we will probably be successful at internationally outlawing something they do out of their "tradition". We might call it human rights, but they could see it as infringing upon their religious law.

Nothing justifies the violence and killing associated with something like this. But we should be aware that some of the violence and killing by our hands probably isn't thought of a justifiable by them either. For the most part, we in America can see no religious justification for violence and killing, although there are probably a few who may actually believe otherwise. That aside, our laws aren't religious law, but instead civil law. That is something different for them, in theocratic countries. Now I am quite certain that some Muslims do believe that sometimes violence and killing is religiously justified. I think that for the most part, those who believe that are in the minority, but they are a real segment of their faith.

What really makes a difference is that in many of these countries, religious law is civil law. In a theocracy often the "politics" are about differing religious segments. Which interpretation does the law support? It is going to vary somewhat based on who is in power. And it is likely to often be a bit unclear as it relates to certain beliefs. That means that to some, they will feel both legally and morally justified in their actions. Of course we surely don't have to accept that, but we should at least be aware, that as wrong and illogical as it seems to us, it may be perfectly logical to some of them.

That doesn't really change anything, but what it does do is say that we shouldn't be completely surpised by such incidents.

I bet you if he went up to the Muslims that stormed the embassy, and burned the flag, and asked them

"Is violence acceptable?"

They likely would have said, "I 100% disagree with it." Just because they're saying it doesn't mean they believe it. I dealt with these people in Afghanistan and Iraq. They never say what they believe, its impossible to get any information out of them. They only say what they think you want to hear.

American cameraman. Oh, he wants us to denounce the violence so we will, regardless of what we actually believe. Please people, don't be so easily fooled.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=VQ3KOZCM91c

The painful truth.

JS in SD; grow up! That bubble you live in gets smaller every day. Do you ever have a positive thought in life?

I love these posters here who say the media sensationalizes stuff they don't like - but jump in the pond right up to their necks when the media reports on something they like.

People world wide want the same things for their families that we do - to prosper, they don't put politics and religion above family. Watch Al Jazeera news and the documentary Control Room - gee, they look and act just like we do...what a shocker...NOT.

Saying the few represents the many is pure ignorance.

PS; J S - the guy you pointed out is a railroad minister = loose cannon, not an official government representative.

Seems a lot of people here are forgetting that some Americans were murdered, supposedly over a tiny youtube flick that they, personally, had nothing to do with. Perhaps it's because the guy who wrote the article forgot that. Sounds like American Muslims do regret, however, that fellow Muslims were also murdered. How nice to hear. I know this is going to come as a shock to many of you, but Muslims also murdered 3000 Americans in about an hour, about a decade beforehand, on the very same day. These killings were actually anniversary killings. At that time, there were no youtube videos poking fun at the prophet Mohammad. Frankly, Americans spent little time pondering anything about Islam, back then. So yeah, I guess this all sounds just like Christian fanaticism, right? A thousand people dead here, a thousand people dead there, all because somebody made a youtube flick poking fun at Jesus. What country do you all live in (and yes, this is an atheist asking)? It's not the same thing. We can and should expect better than this.

If the people in Libya are protesting al quida militias, why are they carrying the al quida black flag that says in Arabic "there is no god but allah"? Check the video on NBC front page that shows them "demonstrating" in support of US that NBC states the video is about. Could it be the protestors are fooling the infidels again?

Go to Google and type in "Picture of al quida flag" then see first 2 links.

Being the radicals hate us so much we should give them something they will love us for. For each demonstration a Tomahawk cruise missle should be sent to its centermass.

I am a Christian. There is no need for me to believe or even care about the Muslim cult, because it is built on the back of a warlord that dominated the Middle East through violence. Seems these people worship Mohammed more then they worship God. What sense does that make.

Mohammed was pretty smart in how he set himself up as a prophet instead of a diety, building off the Old Testament and just adding a few things here and there--then using force to make people believe it. Anyone ever wonder why it is illegal to images of Mohammed. Because in that fasion he can be anything they believe him to be--larger than life--a diety, so to speak. By depicting his image, you make him a man.

These people are lemmings.They can spin it however they want, but if a video gets you bent that out of shape then you truly show yourselves to be the animals you really are.

Sorry. I don't go for the P.C. crap.

FYI - Sign me up for the next CRUSADE.

God made idiots to have big mouths so that other idiots would follow them like lemmings, hopefully off cliffs or into the sea to drown. Like many of his plans for man he wasn't completely successful and many survive to become politicians, radical clergy, cult leaders. They appear in every race, creed and political leaning. The louder they call the more they should be ignored. Resisting the call is how we prove ourselves worthy of his God's grace. He also pronounced that 'the meek shall inherit the earth', which was his way of telling us to use our numbers to overwhelm, quiet and defeat the fanatics.

There are millions of peaceful Christians and Muslims throughout the world, who do their best to live what they believe. The violent Muslims DO NOT represent Islam anymore than the KKK represents Caucasians or the Black Panthers represent African-Americans. Violence sells newspapers and gets news shows ratings; no one cares about watching peaceful demonstrations....

Cut out all aid.

So you have 5 people that decry crazy Islamists and a handful in Libya. Big deal. Show me the pictures from around the world of peaceful muslims having huge protests against Islamic extremists and then I believe this useless story. So who is really behind this disinformation story is the real question.

Nobody has seen the video. It is not the video so much as the idea of the video that is causing the problem. The video was an act of hatred, and you don't have to have seen it appreciate that.

But of course everyone agrees that violence is an inappropriate response -- except for those idiots actually doing the violence.

A strange game - the only winning move is to not play.

"Oh no!" says Ido... "Muslims acting pro-American won't do".... scratching his head while he tries to figure out how this will make President Obama look bad. lmao

Could you tell us where exactly their good book says to kill all non-believers?

Have you even read it?

Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensivewarfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

@ Byron Raum

Could you tell us where exactly their good book says to kill all non-believers?

Have you even read it?

the above post from Whereisthesense says it all..maybe YOU should read it yourself.....

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).

@ whereisthesense ... BRAVO in the the STRONGEST TERMS!!!

BRAVO in the the STRONGEST TERMS!!!

BRAVO in the the STRONGEST TERMS???

What are you praising, a bigot who uses cherry-picked Quran verses as a pretext to spew anti-Islamic hatred? If its not anti-Islamic bigotry, then why not also denounce the many equally violent and repulsive verses in the Bible?

Bigot? I cherry picked the verses because the person asked specifically for verses that say to kill non believers in the Quran. So that is exactly what I did, Just as I could have easily done that for the bible as well, and have done several times before. However, It was not asked to find verses of killing of non believers in the bible.

I find your immediate use of the word bigot in such a such a situation to make you clearly the one that is bigoted, and ignorant at the very least.

Check your own self before making baseless accusations on others.

And Americans say 'persecution (removing free speech) is worse than slaughter of anyone and everyone to protect it (we'll nuke your ass)' - and, 'then conquer we must, when our cause it is just - and this be our motto in God is our Trust.'

Is there a big difference b/w Us and Them? Not really, no.

Benji2 ... that was one weak-a$$ comeback.

But I will actually agree with you on Christianity owning just as much baggage in the "violence-in-the-name-of-God" department. That wasn't the question on the table, however. Whole other thread.

;-)

pachu,

Here is the problem. Most, if any, in the middle eastern world will never get to see your message. The literacy rates in these countries is low, and in places like Afghanistan at 28% extremely low, with the flow of information totally controlled by the government. The only "knowledge" they have of the western world is what their government wants them to know. Couple that with the power that the Islamic clerics wield in this uneducated populous and it's easy to see why things like the "outrage" over a stupid video happen.

It is only with education, and a world view, can people really learn to laugh at the world, and at themselves!

I see that yo have a good heart. I'd really like to agree with you. I'm a liberal., and we also get played but our governments too. But religion has a particular way to indoctrinate. It gets inserted before anybody gets a chance to develop critical thinking and education can't overcome this indoctrination. How many well educated people believe in creationism? how about discussing the possibility of climate change? I hope that many of the well educated Muslims can convey the message. Unfortunately, what I heard from them is telling us that we should silent the idiots. Which are the options? Do we censor our society? jail our idiots? live in fear?educate them when we can hardly educate our own children? I don't know.....

MikeO76 -- and this is exactly why many of our politicians are downgrading education as a priority (or at least doing their best to keep the masses uneducated; you may have noticed that education is in a downward spiral and very soon only the wealthy will be able to send their kids to college). They don't want us to know what's going on, then we'll begin to believe everything we're told and not have the ability to question and search for the truth.

In George Orwells' 1984 they used to call it the 'Ten Minutes Hate'...

Yes.

I just want to say a big thanks to you, the authors of this article, Ayman Mohyeldin and Paul Nassar.

As someone else said, the article is nuanced. I also find it quietly informative and thoughtful. It contains words and ideas that are so unknown to many Americans that it could not be more important that they are conveyed at this time.

I appreciate you explaining the intricacies within the people of Islam. It is so good for us to know these things and to be able to relate to people of this faith on a personal, one-on-one level, which is exactly how I felt after reading it.

Being able to see other sides within the same conflict is the only way we will be able to stop lumping all Muslims together, putting them under some unhealthy groupthink spell. Once we are able to relate to those who look and/or think differently than us, the better we will be able to know that Muslims are all not one, big autonomous group to fear.

And that is exactly how racism of any kind ends.

Keep up the good work and thanks again.

Malarson and all readers of this comment section

I just want to say a big thanks to you, the authors of this article, Ayman Mohyeldin and Paul Nassar.

If the people in Libya are protesting al quida militias, why are they carrying the al quida black flag that says in Arabic "there is no god but allah"? Check the video on NBC front page that shows them "demonstrating" in support of US that NBC states the video is about. Could it be the protesters are fooling the infidels again?

Go to Google and type in "Picture of al quida flag" then see first 2 links. Ever get the sense that NBC/Media Groups are trying to infuse their thoughts into your beliefs? A quote from NBC news talking head "it's our job to interpret what the news really means... and pass it on to you..." Sorry, I know how to interpret the facts, not innuendo.

All of the above...mostly...greed and jealousy

You're making the exact same error you attribute to all Muslims. A few very vocal Muslims act out violently and a large portion of other Muslims speak out against it. Yet you now say 'all' Muslims condemn 'all' Americans. And they don't.

Stop using the same wide brush. It makes you no better than those you condemn.

Just because we don't get a lot of reports on Muslims condemning the violence doesn't mean they aren't. It simply means our news organizations don't report it. And when it is reported people like you refuse to believe it.

a few try 10s of thousands that is more than a few

Hi dsb, people 'refuse to believe' anything and everything...you see it every day - it is like they are made that way.

dsb.

Please learn to read before posting. I never said "all" muslims. You may read my comment again if you wish. Maybe this is what you, in reality, wish I had said. Remember it is those who stand in silence and do nothing while evil is committed on innocents, are either cowards or on the side of the perpetrators. The lowest rung in the ladder to hell is reserved for those who, in a time of crisis, do nothing.

Seven-341804 replied to DSB

Please learn to read before posting. I never said "all" muslims

No, Seven...this is what you said...

I find it interesting that muslims...

You must be one of those people whose parents are afraid of diversity and they home schooled you huh? Is that how yuu got ur learnin'? You funny Seven...you picked a name you probably can't even count to. Did you really tell DSB to learn to read? I think she (he?) read correctly. You see...in public schools we learn that you put a word like SOME Muslims or CERTAIN Muslims or MANY Muslims to indicate a number less than the whole lot. When you omit (am I going to fast for you?) a word like that, I don't think you need the word ALL...I am pretty sure that it is implied (and I am not delusional...I was a C student). It would be the same as saying Americans buy guns and shoot people in schools, and malls, and theatres. That is a false statement. SOME Americans...

The lowest rung in the ladder to hell is reserved for those who, in a time of crisis, do nothing.

Followed closely by ignorant people who had available all the resources, to become educated, and chose to ignore them. I dunno...only God will judge so your situation is not for me to decide. Still, I think Sister (or brother) holier-than-thou, may be fooling themselves. Again, I don't know you so it's not for me to say. The only thing I get from your comments is that you like to throw accusations out that you, yourself, are guilty of. You tell DSB that he or she can't read and you can't construct a proper sentence omitting words, not capitalizing the word Muslim, etc.

I know heat rises but I still think it's going to be pretty hot on that second rung!

JohnJohn,

First, I chose the name Seven because I am a Native American and it is my real name, the numbers were put in randomly by this blog. Secondly, I choose not to capitalize the word muslim because I do not consider it a religion or worthy of having it capitalized. islam is a virus. What else spreads without reason, at random, without respect for human life, and leaving nothing but destruction, death and despair in its wake? Also, half or more cover their faces so they cannot be identified. Only criminals wear masks. I would like to continue a war of words with you, but I try to make it a practice not to attack someone who is obviously unarmed. Either you are part of the solution or part of the problem. Pick a side, or stand mute like a cowardly idiot.

Seven wrote:

I would like to continue a war of words with you, but I try to make it a practice not to attack someone who is obviously unarmed.

and

I chose the name Seven because I am a Native American and it is my real name.

Dear Seven (Is your full "Native American" name SEVEN WORDS?) You (and intolerant people like you) don't have the vocabulary to have a "war of words" with me. You prove that every time you post by your repetition and ridiculous ending.

Pick a side, or stand mute like a cowardly idiot

What was the last BRAVE thing you did? You just shriveled up here and didn't even try to defend yourself.

I choose not to capitalize the word muslim because I do not consider it a religion or worthy of having it capitalized.

Oh....oh....oh...I am soooooo sorry. Had I known being stupid was your choice, I wouldn't have mentioned it...well, I wouldn't have mentioned it had you not tried to point out someone else' reading skills. If it walks like a Hypocrite and talks like a Hypocrite...

Only criminals wear masks

And this Halloween....we are going to round up all the children and put them in prison where they belong.

I would like to continue a war...with you

Is that a threat Seven (teeth missing?)? I don't mean to stereotype you like you do all Muslims, but I am really afraid that a savage indian (I chose not to capitalize it because I lost too much money at the casino that pays no taxes) like yourself has threatened me with war. I'd ask you to "take it back" but your people are notorious for that so I won't give you the pleasure. By the way, what are you hiding behind all those feathers? I would tell you to chill and take a drink but everyone knows that is all your people do. Shall I continue? I am truly sorry to go there, but, how does that make you feel? Maybe you have no feelings but a lot of people would be very hurt by that.

That made me sick to write that but I am trying to prove a point. No wait...I AM PROVING A POINT. Hate speech is disgusting. What makes me even sicker is when someone from one belittled group of people belittles another group. You are a very good example of a very bad disposition.

I know you'll read this. I don't expect you to respond (unless Dorothy can help you find some courage). Ugh.

Seven also wrote:

First, I chose the name Seven because I am a Native American and it is my real name, the numbers were put in randomly by this blog

Am I the only one who reads this as, "I am just a sheep. I do not have any of my own thought which is why I allowed this blog to name me. I am too lazy to figure out a name of my own or to write my own words which is why I cut and paste other people's words each time I comment"???

I left this out earlier. I got so into proving my point, I left something else out. I don't consider this a "war of words." I think this terminology speaks volumes about you. When performed properly, I consider it a discussion or a debate. I read what you wrote and I respond accordingly. You read what I wrote and them you tell me I am misguided and then you argue why. Unfortunately, I don't believe you have the capacity for that so you are just wasting MY time. That, however, is MY fault. Fool me once...fool me Seven...

john john 365

Just because seven does not agree with your viewpoint is no reason to send slurs. It makes you sound as if you are rabble rousing and takes credence from whatever message you are trying to say - that is not a "debate" but it sure sounds like an "attack". Try doing it a litle more civilized and perhaps you can. But if not -"... if you can't attack the message, your ploy is to attack the messenger."? a quote from Saul Alinsky

Jack from Jax...you are about 10 hours too late but you are right about one thing....slurs are bad. Unfortunately, I believe you are wrong more than you are right (should be your political party's motto)..."We're on the right....but too often wrong." I'm sorry...did you feel like that was a slur? To me, it was more sarcasm.

At any rate, if you read the whole string, you will see that I was defending another poster who was being told she was illiterate by Seven. Exactly what you accused me of, is what Seven was doing. She couldn't defend her "broken record" ramblings, so she tried to deflect and put it back on DSB. I, unfortunately felt like another voice needed to point out that Seven was wrong. I did so, and I believe it was effective. The racial rant was to prove a point as I was beside myself to find out that Seven identified with a group that has been notoriously persecuted. I find it sad and felt compelled to respond. Am I proud of pulling out all those stereotypes? No. I admitted that just after.

Still, I started out by saying you were (late to my party). That is because I looked around last night and saw who was posting what and what posts were getting the "thumbs up." There are a lot of Bevis and B-head type one liners that get 40 votes. Then, someone who puts a lot of thought in a post is lucky to get one vote. If I take the time to write something, I don't really care if you vote on it, but I would like to know that somebody read it. I realized last night that this is really not the venue for that.

For example, there is a guy here that goes from one story to another writing the same thing about the al quida (or something like that...I won't attack HIS illiteracy). He says, "Look at the protesters holding the Al Quida flag." Then, he proceeds to tell people how to do a Google search. Really? Are people that dumb that they do not know how to perform a Google search? Maybe the guy who wrote that has a limited capacity and he thinks everyone else is just as slow. Do you know what guy I am referring to Jack from Jax?

Do you see any slurs in this comment? I don't think of them as slurs, however, I did make a few little "digs." Now, I just looked up the actual definition for "dig" and it says to hurt or make fun of someone. I don't want to hurt anyone. I do, however, enjoy making fun of people I think deserve a little poke.

Finally, I am sorry that you don't see that the main purpose of my posts are to provoke thought. Again, I realized this last night as I had spent a lot of time writing and realized this is not the right place for me to get my point(s) across. It appears that most people here are conservatives whose only goal is to regurgitate talking points and pat each other on the back. Good luck with that. (I am curious though...is the Fox news website filled with Liberal comments? I have never been to it but find it so weird that so many people come here to bash NBC...it would appear that conservatives far outweigh liberals on a liberal website. I really AM late to the party. I feel like I am the star of that old British Airways commercial screaming, "Where is everybody?")

So tell me Jack...did I try to defend my point here or did I just "attack the messenger" because I didn't have anything to say?

Anyway, it is a beautiful day out and I am wasting it by trying to get someone to understand something that they clearly do not want to understand. Cheers.

JohnJohn,

Thanks for your point of view. You asked me to defend myself so here goes. Like I said before I am a 63 year old Native American. I am also a Vet with two tours of duty in Vietnam with the 101 St. Airborne Rangers. You asked if I was missing teeth? Yes, two of them. One of them is still embedded in my spine from having a grenade blow up too close to my face. It killed the guy standing next to me. You asked for the bravest thing I have done? Holding my childhood friend's head in my hands while he died, and while he was dying he made me promise to apologize to his little sister and mother. He had promised them before he left the US in 1967 that he would not get killed. Brave, nope, I was so scared I urinated on myself while the bullets flew overhead. I have never been that scared in my entire life. It has been over forty years and I still cannot stop the screaming I hear in my head everyday. Now the only brave thing I do everyday is look at my face. If anyone should be wearing a mask, it should be me. I don't get any government money because I am not disabled........only disfigured. You asked so I am telling you. I fought in a foreign country for the freedom of people who could not do it for themselves. I ask nothing in return except that people should be allowed to be free thinkers and voice their opinions, no matter how stupid, cruel, rude, racist, or insensitive they are. People sometimes say, "Talk is cheap". I am here to tell you that is just not true. People have died so others can say what they want. You want freedom? Then learn to stand toe to toe with someone who has a completely different perspective on an issue and let them voice their opinion. You can disagree with someone while still having respect for the person. This is freedom of speech, thought and opinion. I fought for it, some died for it. I disagree with some of your thoughts, but I will defend your right to say it with my life. I already have. And as for your "cut and paste" comment. The quote, "With the gift of intelligence often comes the great epiphany that you may be totally wrong about your beliefs." Well that one is mine and it took me 63 years to figure it out. That is why if you Google it, you will not find it. Think about it. You have every right to think what you want. I helped make that a reality.

Wow. NOW, I will say Brava without any sarcasm. First, let me say, thank you for your service. Having a sibling who was a cop who died in the line of duty, I appreciate the sacrifice that you and your friends have made. I was just on my way out the door, but now feel compelled to write you back. I am proud of you for your service but also proud that you responded to me (and without the help of Dorothy!).

I have many family members who served in various wars but I have not. How do you feel about Vietnam? Are you bitter at all? If it were me, I would be. I don't like wars. I guess I understand the need for a few of them, but most seem very unnecessary.

I know more than a few people who are disfigured and they are beautiful people. It was your words about all Muslims that were ugly to me. I have many Muslim friends here and around the world who are amazing loving people. I have a female friend who is mixed race but has an Arab Muslim father. She is often afraid to leave her house when she hears of troubles in the world. The things you have said here, she is afraid she will have directed at her when leaves her house. Is that fair? Should this loving caring person feel bad when she has never wronged anyone? Should she be demonized because some extremists did some bad stuff? Are all Saudis devils because 19 people from their country were pure evil? I always follow that with (my "cut and paste") should all Christians be demonized because Timothy McVeigh was Christian? He wasn't a Christian, by the way. He was no more Christian than these people who orchestrated 9/11 were Muslim.

Real quick...I want to reiterate something. Being disfigured or obese or black, or DIFFERENT does not make you ugly. Ugliness comes from within. I often think about loved ones who were taken from us tragically. I think, "hmmm, if I could just see them again...I wouldn't care if they had all their limbs blown off or were paralyzed...If I could just put my hands on their disfigured face and tell them I love them..." Anyway, I hope you were just kidding when you talk about being brave to look at yourself. I don't know your story or your pain so I can't say for certain but I believe your "inner beauty" can grow outward and erase any "blemishes" you may see. I don't mean to trivialize your appearance by calling it a "blemish." I am just saying if you put good stuff out there, people will be drawn to you and only see good stuff. (And, I am a sometimes a hypocrite...cuz I occasionally forget and do ugly things.)

Anyway, I really do have to go. I really do appreciate your response. It was intelligent and actually referenced the conversation. That is what I actually meant by cut and paste. Whether you are the author of the original words or not, I have a feeling that some here have a large document filled with different words from the web as well as words they wrote. Instead of having an actual discussion or pulling from their own lives to make their point (like you just did), they rely on their talking points and I find it boring.

Anyway, I am sorry that I went a couple of places I am not proud of. It made me think that there is probably a better way to get my point across. I will ponder that and I hope you will find a Muslim that you can respect and appreciate. I shouldn't have told you that we capitalize the word Muslim and you should do the same. While it is correct that in English, we capitalize the word, you are doing it the way that actually honors Muslims since they do not use capitalization in the Arabic language. Good on you!

Take care…

I love how Christians think their religion is all about "love thy neighbor". Is that why "god" endorses sexual bondage in Exodus 21:7-11? And prescribes death to rape victims in Deuteronomy 22:23-24? I could go on much longer.

I'm certainly not defending Islam, which is a barbaric stupid religion. My point is that Christianity is too, if you actually read the silly doctrine.

Brian, you are wrong on what Bible says about rape victims:

^Deut25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. ²⁶ Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death.

It might also be a good idea to remember that to be Christian, we have to be New Testament Christians, believing in the teachings of Jesus . . . and these teachings do not include Exodus and Deuteronomy. While Christianity has its beginnings in the Old Testament, one can't be a Christian unless one believes in the New Testament (which, in many cases, overrides the Old Testament).

The Old Testament is a bunch of stories to teach a lesson, too bad too many make it literal like backwoods, stone age religious fanatics.

Tell that to the Jews..they would tell you otherwise!

It's not the liberal media's job to ask the right questions, they just want to whitewash any radical islamic violence.

If you don't believe, you will write anything, as you have done. You are not being forced to follow the Bible

so why do you let what so many of us believe in speak out against their belief? There will be a day when you will wish you had learned to trust the One who is there when you need Him? I feel sorry for people like you, you might not care about yourself, but if you have a family, I hope you consider them. M . Correll

Knowledge without wisdom is foolish. Wisdom derives from experience in life.

With the gift of intelligence often comes the great epiphany that you may be completely wrong about your beliefs.

Well...don't fret about it too much Seven (I am sure your IQ is at least somewhat higher)...even if Santa didn't "gift" you with intelligence (Santa still considers bigotry to be naughty), you do have extremely great "cut and paste" skills. Brava...Brava!

JohnJohn, que pasta? I'm glad you shared your incite with us, but you limited yourself to one page this time. Maybe there's hope yet or it really was Saturday night and you really did have something better to do as did I. Troll on my friend.

Seven, he had you on the hook for a while there, and you put up a good fight. After reading your last post, it's obvious that you snapped the line and swam away. Remember what he used for bait, (the writing style is unmistakable) and don't get caught again. Be well.

Hey (Internet) Captn,

Where did "que pasta" come from? Is it because I have a picture of a cute little Latino boy looking so happy because he is holding an ice cream? I haven't seen anything written by you that makes me want to "read" you, so I don't know if this is YOUR writing style...or is it a lifestyle? While you are here, take a look at him. Somebody that looks just like him will be your president someday. Unless, of course, your head explodes when President Obama is reelected. Oh the joy...I am not Latino but I just cannot wait for that day.

Take another look at that little boy. Do you see the innocence? Muslim children are innocent. Christian children are innocent. Jewish children are innocent. ALL children are innocent. It is a shame that some of them have to grow up in families that promote hate, do drugs, feel superior to others, etc. We are products of our environment. That is why I was thinking I am largely out of place here. I do not understand why so many conservatives would want to "troll" a liberal leaning news site. At any rate, I heard a quote from a "housewife" tonight that I enjoyed. She said, "if you hang out with garbage, you will stink." I don't mind stinking if there is a good reason. You are not a good reason, Cap.

Anyway, whereas I do not agree with Seven's hatred of Muslims, I respect that she came back, to comment #8, and answered me. You, on the other hand really didn't say anything, did you? Oh, right, you called me a troll. Takes one....

So, that is it. Oh by the way, I always admit the truth. I had nothing to do and nowhere to go on a Saturday night. I am glad you felt you needed to tell me that you had something better to do. Your life is so full...I hope you enjoyed the tractor pull, or cow tipping, or whatever you were up to. Hasta...

It's classic Carlin from when he did his Hippie Dippy Weatherman routine back in the 60's. I'm surprised that with your wealth of knowledge and truth, you didn't know that. "Heavens to Murgatroyd, even".

People in these countries have always lived under totaleriatian governments where the media was controlled by the government. They silly have no concept of a media and free speech. Therefore, they see anything coming 'from' America as being ok'd by our government. That's why they blame all Americans and our government.

I know it's hard to imagine but if that's all you ever knew, if that's all your parents ever knew, then you would believe it too. Before completely condemning them you should know more about their society. I'm not saying it's right, but I am saying that's the way it is. Only time and education will make a difference.

Too late... I don't want to know any more than I already know about "them". Life's too short. There are so many far more worthwhile people and ideas to learn about. They are masters of their own destiny, let the muslim world fix themselves, however many more hundreds of years it may take.

And lease tell me where you have been looking for this 'evidence'? Do you live in the Middle East? Or do you travel there? Or do you simply get all your news from the media here in the west?

Exactly HOW do you make your determinations?

Then you aren't opening your eyes if you see no evidence.

What evidence do you speak of..? Until the moderate Muslims separate themselves from the fanatics in some way other than standing by and doing nothing to overtly protest the violence and killing, I have no way of determining who is who. When KKK, skin-heads, or other fanatical groups go pubic, in this country anyway, the masses react against them. Why is no such thing happening anywhere in the Middle-East? The silence of the masses is essentially tacit agreement as far as I'm concerned.

It's really hard to answer. I don't want people to die for what I do believe. I lived under dictators and censorship. I can tell you, I rather die than live under the constant treat to be killed because somebody didn't like what I say or think. Writers, cartoonist, publishers and common people have been threaten by these cowards. Now is because Mohamed, next? a woman on bikini?

Ain't skeered...bring it on. I don't live in fear of the extremists.

It's time for the Muslim radicals to see the full destructive power of these United States. Our leaders and army have liberated entire nations of tyranny and opression. We can find a way to snuff out an idea.

would you be there to help protect the people? Just wondering. I think we need to all take a hard look at ourselves. That film should never have been made. Racism is hate. If one doesn't believein anothers religion \they should just keep their mouth shut. Not all people from one country or another agree with the the terrible faults of others. If you condemn all people of a race for what others believe in, then you are wrong.

Have a good day but remember there is good in people of every race. Don't blame them for what the others do.

It is just a film. Nothing more nothing less. You have a choice to watch or not watch. If you allow it to bother you then you have given the response that was wanted.

All Muslims need to be painted with the same brush. Their religion is not compatible with any others.

Here's the unbiased truth Rah13. It wasn't the movie. That is a lie. And if you believe it was the movie like Obama wants you to then Rah 13 you probably think the economy is okay and there is still enough time for Obama to do what he said and cut the deficit in half. Sorry Rah13, the "unbiased truth" still evades you. And you see only what you want to see, not reality.

Rah13,

It's what we do. Deal with it.

Rah13

I finally got around to watching this video. It's pretty much a poorly made and obviously low budget. However, the general focus of this video was accurate. Muslims don't like to talk about their hero mohammad's earlier occupation (before he decided to start a religion) which was as a brigand that (with his gang of cutthroats) regularly robbed and murdered for profit and the taking of slaves

unbiased reporters at NBC? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

thanks for the laugh today! I needed that.