It's not necessarily true that Iran, if it obtains a nuclear weapon, would strike first. The doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction is still alive and well. I think the Iranian leadership is not suicidal.

I agree with you Steve, plus I think they would protect them from terrorists since if a group like AQ used an Iranian nuke they know full well we'll retaliate

If given the oppertunity a terriorest would strap on a nucular devise and blow themselves up.

By your logic, if a dog barks at you every time you walk by its yard, you should try to pet it. It won't bite.

For MAD to truly work, the opposing force must have enough weapons to ensure considerable or total damage to the other side. As far as Iran is concerned it will take them a vary long time to have enough weapons to ensure a MAD situation.

Heck, it is believed that china dose not even have the capacity for a true MAD stand off with the US in terms of being able to totally destroy US capabilities and cities in a strike. There are only 2 countries where true MAD is possible, that is the US and Russia. Since the Russian's actually want to live, it is unclear what, if any support they will give to Iran even though Iran is basically a Russian ally.

Putin seems to be a reasonably smart guy, so I doubt he wants his country in ashes over Iran. So, this brings us back to Iran, who, is largely trying to scare the heck out of Israel into not attacking.

You can only hope the leadership dont believe all that religious crap, lol.

Silly humans. Stop killing one and other. You aren't really that crazy any more. We aren't are we? It doesn't matter. Not here it doesn't anyway - here it's only life and death. After...after, it's all life - and you live with it forever. God is not as silly as we boneheaded individuals, I'm convinced that must surely be true.

aworldofhurt

WWIII huh? Just glad I'm to old to be drafted, don't think I could stomach odumbo telling me what to do

I guess it does come down to a statement like that for you folks, right?

And where might we be right now if "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran McCain" were president?

And what with Mitt's quick wit, what might Mitt bring?

I prefer Obama's slower more reasoned approach myself.

Yeah, all you crying hearts claiming that the leadership doesn't follow the mullah's rhetoric.

All I have to do is listen to Imamonkeydemonseed, that sums up what the Iranian leadership stands for !

I just can't understand this regime still exist !

No sane person should wish for war, but I must say I am deeply troubled by the statements in the article which seems to this Iranian douchebag attempting to offer justification for a first strike on Israel, and depending on how you interpret the words of an Iranian douchebag (and that douchebag slam is specific to the officials of the Ahmadouchebag regime and the loser mullahs pulling Ahmadirtyjacket's strings, not the Iranian people themselves, the majority of who only want a chance to live in peace and prosperity like the majority of us), a strike on U.S. military bases.

I particularly enjoy the statement Iran will not start any war but it could launch a preemptive strike Last time I checked, douchebag, if you launch an attack, you're starting a war.

I'm particularly concerned that our President can make all the right moves regarding Iran and North Korea and still end up Presiding over U.S. forces as the Commander in Chief for WWIII, because the leaders of these nations are not stable, sane people (in the case of NK the insane people are the military leaders; lil' Kim Jong, Jr. hasn't had a chance to establish his own brand of insanity yet, I personally hope he turns out to be the lil' Kim to straighten things out, but based on the history of North Korea, I won't hold my breath) .

The best we can hope for with Iran is that we can reach their next Presidential election without a military incident or war and the Iranian people can send Ahmawindbreaker and the replacement Ayatollah back to the minors and elect leaders who want Iran to rejoin civilized society.

Nemesis

There have been suitcase nukes and backpack nukes deployed by both US & USSR personnel during the cold war. Ever hear of the Fulda Gap? The choke point where a backpack nuke would stop the Soviet armor from proceeding into West Germany, until REFORGER could place enough reinforced armor/soldiers to try and stop the USSR advance - however, that was Cold war. I am sure there are still backpack nuke technology around now - hasn't your cell phone gotten smaller since the original 1980s version?

It's possible it only takes a kilo (2.2 lbs.) or less of nuclear weapons gradematerial with the proper trigger

The worst kept secret in the world is Israel's nuclear capabilities. If Iran were to attack Israel with a nuclear weapon, Iran would be wiped off the map in a matter of hours. Ahmadinejad knows this. Most of this hot headed rhetoric is for domestic consumption in Iran. The sanctions are killing the economy and the leaders need to divert their peoples attention from that.

As for the idea that "human life means nothing to these people including their own" -- the same thing was said about the Soviets in the 50s, the Chinese in the 60s. Nobody, no nation, wants to be wiped off the map. MAD has worked for more than 60 years.

The Iranian people must live in constant fear. Unless they have no clue about what would really happen if Iran should start hurling missles toward Israel for any reason. Yes, it would kind of look like WWIII to the people in the region. But it would only last intensely for about 48 hours. After that it would be mostly clean-up and putting up "Do not Enter for 100,000 years" signs around the country formerly known as Iran.

Oh no......ANOTHER International policy crisis for this administration.

Should I back Israel or continue "talking" with Iran ?

Wait a minute.....Gov. Romney's tax returns are more important.

Time to send out the surrogates to explain the White House's stance on this issue. Wait a minute, there's Ambassador Rice at the mike.

It is time the Iranian people woke up. Pass the word via social media to stage a "protest" (putting in lightly).

The rhetoric from Israel is the cause. Iran has no delivery mechanism to launch a long range attack, just like Pakistan. Isn't it time that we actually use our military as a defense, as opposed to an offense. Let the peoples of the region settle their differences while we pull out of the Middle East. The people of the region only know what their government claims--just like us.

Remember one thing Republicans --- last week on Meet the Press, Romney admitted that his policy on Iran and President Obama's are the same.

"We cannot imagine the Zionist regime starting a war without America's support. Therefore, in case of a war, we will get into a war with both of them and we will certainly get into a conflict with American bases," he said. "In that case, unpredictable and unmanageable things would happen and it could turn into a World War III."

This guy must be good if he can predict unpredictable things. This is a military guy trying to do political posturing, and it looks dumb. Since Israel does have nuclear weapons, this guy might think he is in the middle of WWIII if his nutcase dictator does anything stupid, be we won't feel a thing over here.

OK, this is getting serious however, if Iran does push Israel hard enough and Israel retaliates, Iran probably won't stand much of a chance. Our Patriot missiles have been perfected since the Gulf war. We also have many other types of defensive missiles that can intercept their missiles.

Oh man, I really hope nothing happens. Also, the strange part of the last year or two is the fact that everyone is talking about on December 21, 2012, something big is going to happen and if you noticed, Mother Nature's been waving her wand with Tsunami's, Hurricanes, Earthquakes etc... from what I remember along with mankind waving our wand of war, politics etc...

Iran NEVER said it would do a preemptive strike!!! NBC"News" - wrote this article.... with the help of a television's PARAPHRASING.....

This is what the Iranian General said:

The commander of the Aerospace Force of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps has said that an Israeli strike on Iran would trigger World War III.

Should Israel and Iran engage militarily, “nothing is predictable… and it will turn into World War III,” Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajizadeh told Iran’s Arabic language news network Al-Alam on Sunday, the Economic Times reported.
He added that Iran would deem any Israeli strike to be conducted with U.S. authorization, so “whether the Zionist regime attacks with or without U.S. knowledge, then we will definitely attack U.S. bases in Bahrain, Qatar, and Afghanistan.”

Link: http://www.tehrantimes.com/politics/101710-strike-on-iran-would-trigger-world-war-iii-irgc-general-

So, IF ISRAEL attacks Iran FIRST- the Iranian government will assume (rightly so) that the US is Israel's ally (we are) AND, therefore, Iran will strike back at Israel AND US Bases in the Mid-East as they are considered US soil!

NBC - could you at least get your facts right ONCE? There is NO talk of "PREEMPTIVE strikes" - only strikes if Israel strikes Iran!!!! ALSO NBC - It's "preemptive" NOT "pre-emptive."

So HOW did NBC go so wrong:

"Iran will not start any war but it could launch a pre-emptive attack if it was sure that the enemies are putting the final touches to attack it, Al-Alam said, paraphrasing the military commander."

Link: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/23/us-iran-nuclear-israel-preemptive-idUSBRE88M09C20120923

So a television station - decided to translate and PARAPHRASE the General...... If they would have quoted him directly - as I did above - this would not be an article!

@ Mari;

I foresee Israel having to strike, our idiot doing nothing responsible, and our military conducting a coo (sic) just to save our sorry arses.

You have a right to your opinion but please stop adresing OUR potus ,as an idiot.

Massively bunker-buster the SOB and be done with it. The sooner the better as our idiot-in-chief has invited this nonsense with all his weakness --

What you do not realize that over a year ago,Obama made a scret deal and sold Israel many newer deeper penetrating bunker busters. Obama is anything but weak. We are massing thousands of troops onto the Island of Socotra to give Iran pause to how measured their response should be. Obama has put Iran on notice that they have weeks if monrths to open up their programs, this is not just talk,and is being backed up by action. So next time you wish to call our POTUS an idiot and call him weak do your homework first.

Obama will be taken seriously by Iran. The PM of Israel has stated they are the "masters of their fate" not the U.S this was staetd in a face to face meeting at the white house with Obama. ie They(Israel) will go it alone if they have to. Anyone who says Obama is weak and doing nothing is just ignorantly ranting.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu has told US President Barack Obama that Israel must always remain
"master of its fate".

The point here is that Iran need take notice that Israel will strike alone, and think twice about their response toward us.

Russia and China have vested intersest in Iran, but are not allies, nor are Irans neighbors, so the possibilty of WWIII is unlikely. They will rant and rave,but are nowhere near ready for a major confrontation with America, Russia and China both have bright economic futures. War would surely hurt them more than help them.

Love2troops...Hey numbskull, why not blame the perps instead of trying to find someone else to blame. I suppose of you got a speeding ticket, it would be the cops fault or the road crew that didn't put the speed sign where you thought it should be.

Funny, everytime oil starts to fall the Iranian Goon Squad starts up the war rhetoric? I did notice some traders tried to push up the price but it didn't hold. Nice try Iran, didnt work..

Ahh, these silly Iranians and their empty threats. They can't be much more sophisticated then Iraq. They would be able to cause minimal damage before their military capability was crushed. There would be no WWIII. They have few friends to join with them. China and Russia would certainly not risk everything to help Iran.

Prayer couldn't even help Romney now kkwilson. He's a buffoon. He's beyond providential help. He's a chump. He looks like a sleazy vacuum cleaner salesman and his ideas aren't much more convincing than the salesman selling the new hoover that sucks the money right out of the middle class's wallet.

Coral Taxi - Great Post 1.49!

skip...#5. Just curious, is that what you were telling everyone when Bush was President?

If I may, I'd like to strongly suggest that you go back and view the slideshow in the article above showing every day life in Iran.

These are people, just like you and me. Yes, they are Muslim, yes their culture is different from our, but they are people doing the same things every day the you and I are doing. Shopping, playing, dancing, learning and living their lives.

If their politicians want to rattle sabres at the Israeli's let them. That's what politicians do. But don't condemn the Iranian people for what a few radicals do or say.

A friend of mine once explained to me how it was for him in Viet Nam. He said, "You got to where you didn't view the Viet Namese as 'people', you viewed them almost like they were insects or some kind of other life form." He said that was the only way you could deal with the culture clash.

Well, dehumanization of the 'enemy' is common. It's how we convince ourselves it's alright to kill them. But it's just a mind game, a justification, to pardon our inhumane actions.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again. We need to get out of the Middle East and all the Islamic countries. Thanks to our religion, their religion and the one thousand years of struggles between them we have grown to distrust each other. We don't understand them, they don't understand us and so far, all attempts at peaceful co-existence have failed.

They aren't bad people, they are just different. We aren't bad people, we are just different. We need to limit our interactions with them to neutral ground and allow each to follow their own path.

Get out of the Islamic world and let the French and the English deal with them. They are much better than we are. When it comes to the Middle East we need to mind our own business.

Don't condemn an entire people, for what their politicians say.

It would be a quick war.

Tired of Irans bull@!$%#! Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has the short dictator syndrome. Thinks he can rule the world. Think we should send in teh SEALS and end all of the crap that is going on. Obuma has not got the guts to stand up to the little fu##er. The United States needs a leader that is not afraid to stand up for the people and Obuma and Mr. Facelift just aren't cutting it!!!!!! Again, we need to take Ahmadinejad out.

Yes Iran you will manage to fight a two front war against the two greatest military powers since the Roman Legions and win. Your lands will be incinerated and cities razed to the ground. The Strait of Hormuz will be littered with the destroyed hulls of the iranian "Navy" and bodies of its sailors.

See anyone can write crazy rhetoric!!!

In reality the United States and its only ally worth a horses turd Israel will destroy you. We fought two wars recently each one with one hand tied behind our back, but Iran will be different as they will have and may use nukes. As long as our next President has some real balls the nation once known as Iran will be turned into a glass-topped parking deck.

Iranian Soldier talking about U.S. military: Habib their weapons make ours look like slingshots.

Habib: Yes Achmed they do, especially our slingshots.

Semper Fi

Hog Lover

In reference to your post 1.7. The mullahs of Iran are those in power, they call the shots,old alphabet is little more then a hand puppet. Hooking up with allah is their ultimate goal.

You know what, you're right skip Nicholson, Oklahoma City. Ideally we would be out of Muslim lands completely. However, all the strategic alliances we have with more moderate Muslim nations, not to mention Israel would have to be uprooted and it would cause unimaginable chaos at an inopportune time. It's a nice dream, but not doable. Also we would have less of an idea of what the hostile countries are up to. Ballistic missile tech + nuclear warhead technology would be developed and disseminated among these crazies. I would give it 20 years before a nuclear weapon detonates somewhere as a result of US disengagement.

I can't believe all the suicidal nitwits who think you can nuke Iran into the stone age and survive yourself. The Earth is a spaceship and it supports life, at least at the moment. Nuclear war, anywhere on the planet, will end up killing us all. We might just as well blow ourselves up and let the rest of humanity die slowly of radiation sickness. All the tough talk on here is no different than the trash talk coming out of Iran. This isn't a game that can be won. Mutual respect and tolerance is the only solution.

To the Iranians running the Revolutionary Guards and the government, their fanaticism will just not let them comprehend that if they fire the first shot, for whatever reason, they condemn huge numbers of their citizens and ones of other countries in the region to certain death! They will have started the next war but will blame it on someone else like Israel or the U.S. I sincerely hope that the leadership of all countries will show restraint but I'm not placing any bets yet on who will be stupid enough to fire the first shot!

You're right softdude, you're pretty soft, not to mention naive. Iran doesn't care about the environment. They would nuke Israel first chance they get. There is no reasoning with Islamic extremism, no chance for mutual respect and tolerance.

@ages ; Thanks. My goal is the truth, not to boost any one candidate. Tired of all the lies about our POTUS on foreign policy. America is war hardened and battle ready. Russia and China are cozily on the sidelines and rebuilding , and building their forces back up, they are nowhere near ready for WWIII. American civilians are war weary, and rightfully so, this has alot to do with why we are being more patient.

Parents are tired of losing sons and daughters for a decade now, but this threat must be dealt with before it is too late. That is the problem with nukes time is of the essence.

It amuses me and frightens me at the same time the lack of common sense and intelligence from some posters that think they know about Middle Eastern geo-politics and the US federal governments place and responsibility in all that.

"If Iran has a nuclear weapon they are sure to use it ! Get 'er done !"

Just like the USSR was sure to use their nuclear weapons, right ? I believe only one country has used nuclear weapons in the past, and that country didn't even attack military installations, it was innocent children, women, and men.

Stop believing the propaganda machine and the national media, they don't give you all the facts or history behind something, just what they want the American people to believe.

What makes you an expert superskunk? I don't need the media to figure out that Iran is run by Islamic extremists who are one step away from suicidal. China, Russia, N Korea, they are atheists, and survival of their regimes is of utmost importance. Religious ideology is the danger here.

The Koch Brothers and Haliburton does business with Iran in spite of sanctions in place. I don't believe in using food as a weapon but Koch and Haliburton don't produce food. Stop allowing these corporations to play both sides of the coin.

I wonder if the "people" in charge in Iran (and in the entire region) are really people at all, and not some type of hyperagressive mutants bent on destruction, killing, and war. Since time began, they have been warring with each other, their neighbors, and anyone they come in contact with. The only things that have changed are the weapons they use. I'm certainly not saying the majority of Arabic people are like this, but most of the leaders seems to be. They aren't happy unless they are promoting destruction, torture, and killing of most living things around them. Its been like this since time began and isn't going to change. The leader of Iran seeems to have forgotten what has happened when the war mongers he admires so much decided to take on the world. He may destroy some areas, cause millions of deaths, and survive for a time. But he'll never win, he and his people would just lose the most. In any war, no one wins, the ones who lose the least are the ones still alive and standing when its all over.

skip Nicholson...

I'd love to live in a world that you imagine exists. One where all we have to do is be nice to each other and everything will be fine. Sorry, it didn't exist in the 30s when Nazism and the Japanese Empire were gaining strength and conquering nations. It doesn't exist now. Islam is the new Nazism and Imperialism. It's goal is to conquer and subjugate. The mentality is medieval. We are talking about people who riot and kill, blow stuff up and cut off people's heads, start wars over a book or a cartoon. Dealing with them, apologizing to them for having different values, negotiating with them, trying to talk them into being a nice, democratic society is foolish. For our government to do nothing is irresponsible. They are coming for us, regardless what we do.

@ Marty---Most Africans seem to be the same way. Watching the movie Blood Diamond really opened my eyes to what goes on in Africa. They are just animals to each other. Being ruled by Europe was flawed, but it had to be more humane for them.

Does this scenario remind anyone of a time, oh, 2500 years ago, when a Persian King decided to bully a smaller country? He showed up on their shores with close to a million soldiers, and had his A$$ handed to him?



"Iran will not start any war but it could launch a pre-emptive attack if it was sure that the enemies are putting the final touches to attack it," Al-Alam said, paraphrasing the military commander

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Back then it wasn't pre-emptive either. I would be curious if something was lost in translation...like, the definition of pre-emptive?!?

Iran's evaluation of what the rest of the world thinks of them is, in a word, a little off. I don't think it would lead to WWIII, any more than it did when Bush went into Iraq. I recall Russia and China bitching a lot, but neither felt it was worth the consequences. Both countries had interests with Saddam prior to the war, maybe not as much as Russia does with Iran, but I doubt they would enter in to conflict with the US if Iran decides to make good on all their posturing.

Great! let the mutual destruction start.Im for israel and all the towel heads to go away.Then with an radioctive middle east we well finally develop our own energy supply.Im sick of the whole region,our country has many problems and we keep spending money there.

@Military Man, I could see Russia putting a few planes in the sky around Iran to pressure and intimidate us, probe our resolve.

You're dreaming, Polka. There's a reason the US outspends the entire world on its military. We could crush the world if we had to, and still leave the US and all our friends' lands nice and habitable.

Everyone,

Israel has nuclear weapons and nuclear submarines, is there any outrage against them because of it? Is it out of necessity that they possess them to protect themselves? Perhaps. Iran has felt great pressure from within and outside since the US invaded Iraq and killed Saddam Hussein. George Walker Bush Jr. lied over-and-over again and killed thousands and injured thousands more with his blitzkreig while satisfying the prophecy of the "destruction of Babylon".

Jewish prophecy & dogma, Christian prophecy & dogma, and Muslim prophecy & dogma are all, obviously, at play here. A more godly (fair) distribution of wealth and a realization that science has now proven reincarnation are parts of the solution. But the appearance of GOD's Messiah - the Christ - is ultimately the only solution in the long run. His ability to judge and sentence the violent to non-human reincarnations, as well as prove the cross-ethnic/religious reincarnation has been taking place for ages. Transmigrating into your enemies place is now a given.

See http://7seals.blogspot.com & http://7seals.yuku.com

sandtrich, proof? solid proof that is, not some liberal media BS site. Also, I guess a ahmadinewackjob is going on a late nite show, wow the freedom to spread his BS.

Gotnorice

It would be a quick war.

LOL thats what they said about Iraq.

Skip Nicholson,

You know nothing of those people in the mid-east or what city or country those pics are really from... They are raised under Islamic (Sharia) Law, we as American's mean nothing to them, they damn sure mean nothing to me...

What do you mean "Our Inhumane" religion and treatment of them? What do you call what they do and have done to 'US' and their own people?

Unless you were in Viet-Nam do not speak about it... A friend told you about Viet-Nam...? I am a Two Tour Combat Vet from that War, the enemy was virtually everyone, some uniformed, some farmer by day or face to face but, dont turn your back to them. They even used small children to walk into area's where we were with bombs strapped on them...

So now just tell me who is the "Inhumane" during war...? Oh, I forgot, We 'waterboard' some of them, well, 'Pi$$ on Them' and any else who does not like it...

Just a few observations about these statements out of Iran:

1) This quote puts to rest all the arguments of the proponents of MAD when it comes to Iran:

"Iran will not start any war but it could launch a pre-emptive attack if it was sure that the enemies are putting the final touches to attack it,"

You can't have a MAD situation like the U.S. and Soviet Union, with countries that have no embassies in each other's territory, no back channel communication, AND no emergency hotline between the leaders.

(And I'm not even going to get into the Iranian religious insanity which makes MAD a desirable outcome to them!)

So in a situation like this where Iran says that it would launch a preemptive strike if it was sure that the other side was preparing to launch one, and where Israel would probably also try to strike first and not wait to be attacked, you will eventually have only one possible outcome: WAR.

The problem with Iran having nukes is that the only outcome would be NUCLEAR WAR!

Which would be the worst possible outcome, which I'm sure all the tree-hugging anti-war crowd can understand (even if they'd never admit it).

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2) This quote puts to rest the argument that Iran would never risk going to war with the U.S. because it wouldn't make any sense for them:

U.S. facilities in Bahrain, Qatar and Afghanistan would be targeted, he added.
"There will be no neutral country in the region," Hajizadeh was quoted as saying. "To us, these bases are equal to U.S. soil."

So what we have here is yet another Iranian leader talking like a total madman, threatening to launch a preemtive strike, and threatening that U.S. bases would also come under attack in any war (knowing that this would be seen as an attack on U.S. soil!).

Of course the fact that they already killed U.S. diplomats in 1979 and took others hostage for 444 days would be proof enough that the Iranian regime can't be trusted.

And to those who would claim that there is a mistranslation, or a misunderstanding on our part and that he didn't really mean it; the Iranian regime has already made dozens of statements to the effect that they might preempt any Israeli or U.S. attack, over the past ten months or so. See for example this article from Febuary from the huffingtonpost:

Iran Threatens Pre-Emptive Strikes As UN Team Begins Talks Over Nuclear Programme

(Or Google: "Iran Iranian threatens preemptive attack")

AND SOME PEOPLE STILL WANT TO RISK ALLOWING THESE LUNATICS TO GET THEIR HANDS ON NUCLEAR WEAPONS?!

Christ is coming! The puzzle pieces of prophecy are coming together every week now.

Damascus will become a ruinous heap! Israel is preparing for a strike on Iran. Just last week Israel is also preparing a pre-emptive strike on Syria so its weapons dont fall into enemy hands and are used against them. But Israel will be severely weakened at that point. The 1973 Arab-Israel war was on the The day of Atonement(Yom Kippur) 39 years ago. The day of Atonemnt this year is Sept. 26th.

Isaiah 17: 3-4
The fortress also shall cease from Ephraim, and the kingdom from Damascus, and the remnant of Syria: …And in that day it shall come to pass, that the glory of Jacob(Israel) shall be made thin, and
the fatness of his flesh shall wax lean.

Does Iran make there move with Russia on IIsrael at that time? when Israel is weak. possibly.

This week Russia is doing military ecercises near the border of Georgia. remember the invasion of Georgia in 2008.

Also Iran is Having their Largest ever military exercises to prepare for a possible Israeli attack.

So What Else is New?

Iran is saber rattling Western Society.

Very soon President Obama will have to deal with Nuclear Power Threats from the Dictator Ahdinemajad. Is this part of his plan needing 4 more years to finish the "Job"?

Dictators are emboldened now in this area, to rise the level of Anxiety/Fear for Israeli Citizens and the United States. This actual act of a Nuclear Warhead "Hit" from Iran will also come to the United States. The Dictators must be stopped; who else has Nuclear Weapons in this region, (Irresponsilbe)/Extreme Terrorists) made to slaughter all beings?

If Iran did set off a Nuclear War against Israel, Iran would be destroyed as well, including the surrounding countries. Ahdinemajad is looking for Attention from Obama, to get a reaction.

What is the Reaction from Obama? Can I hear what he has to say about the exploding Middle East and their Regimes--including Morsi, who told the US, they must respect Arabs.

Iran is a "key" country to tell them to go to H--------------------!

Well, don, you seeem to be taking on all commers. But here is a reality check for you. If we are going to remain in th e middle east to support our allies and the moderate regimes those regimes have to give us more support. They need to help finance our efforts (the saudis can afford it) and they need to let us go our jobs without tying our hands behind our backs while we try to defend them.

If Israel wants our help, they need to SHUT UP and let us handle it. If the Saudis want our muscle the need to PAY FOR IT. If the Libyans and the Egyptians want our money then they need to DANCE TO OUR TUNE and not take our aid money and then turn around a bite the hand that gave it to them.

One way your establish those lines is you pull out and say.."Ok, you deal with it." and then renegotiate the contract on OUR terms, not theirs.

If we're going to maintain bases in the region the host country need to FINANCE the costs involved, NOT the American people.

Obama/Biden

And I apologize for the typos, there is a great big McDonalds ad blocking my comment block and I'm typing much of the BLIND. Thanks a lot NBC.

Skip Nicholson,

Welp there we go, Should have guessed it, a Crack Barack fan... I'll quit posting to you, all the facts in the world just falls on, deaf ears with blinders on the eyes...

R & R 2012!!!

And in other news, U.S. and Coalition bases said......"FAH Q".

Iran has every right to defend itself! Just last week, Israel has said it "WILL" attack Iran before the US Presidential elections! If that is not a threat...i dont know what is!

Israel needs to stop or they will effectively create WWIII. The US needs to toss Israel to the curb...they are the reason this country gets into so much mess!

You know nothing of those people in the mid-east or what city or country those pics are really from... They are raised under Islamic (Sharia) Law, we as American's mean nothing to them, they damn sure mean nothing to me...

What do you mean "Our Inhumane" religion and treatment of them? What do you call what they do and have done to 'US' and their own people?

Here are a couple questions for you CBurroughs: Excluding the World Wars and anything before it. Take all the countries in the world, add up the number of Americans they have killed or the number of Americans whose lives were devastated on account of these countries. Compare that to the number Americans have killed or devastated their lives (and/or city or country), which one you think would be greater? Did these people in these countries just wake up one day, throw a dart on a map and start hating America?

You sound like you know even less. Can you name a single country in the middle east where there is only one religion? (hint, even Israel has Muslims). Name all countries where Sharia law is strictly observed? I won't hold my breath for an answer.

Well Mr. Burroughs, you have a reading comprehension problem.

I never said anything about "our inhumane religion". I was speaking about dehumanizing our enemies so we can justify their slaughter. And all I said about religion was that for a thousand years we've been at war with Islam (we=Christians) and they have been at war with us. We have built up an almost GENETIC distrust of one another. I cast no more blame on one, than the other.

You, on the other hand, make my arguments for me. On the one hand you take issue for quoting a veteran and not experiencing the war first hand (which is true). But then you validate my statements with your "everybody was the enemy" type explanation.

Let me say, I appreciate your service and any scars you brought back from South East Asia I hope will some day heal and you will find peace.

I would also say, although I know you will not believe me, that I regret not serving in the Armed Forces and specifically not serving in Viet Nam. I lost many good friends and relatives in that war and I now wish I had shared the dangers and disappointments with them.

But I was "4A" sole-surviving son of a dead war veteran. My father was a World War II vet who died YEARS after the war was over from a head wound he received in Italy. He died just weeks before I was born. My mother begged me not to join the armed forces and take advantage of my 4A status and I have lived to regret that decision. Not that you care or believe me.

So, you are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. You are entitled to vote for whomever you chose as President, as am I. We are both Americans and sometimes it's important that we remember that and not try to belittle or "dehumanize" each other in the name of politics. Because, at the end of the day, we've got to work together to build a better America for our children and grandchildren.

And yes...

Obama/Biden 2012

You're dreaming, Polka. There's a reason the US outspends the entire world on its military. We could crush the world if we had to, and still leave the US and all our friends' lands nice and habitable.

The US force is finite and can perhaps be defeated in a just war. Regardless of the outcome, I will always support the victims, never the aggressors.

In the unlikely event of an Iranian first strike, I may not support it but I may only hope to see a decisive defeat of the imperial forces. It is more likely that the Israeli Empire will strike first.

The world is a dangerous place. As a Viet Nam vet, I hate war, any war; BUT, our country needs to be prepared for any situation. Whether it's saber rattling or not, we must be prepared for the worst.

If you remember, President Clinton cut back on military spending, he closed several bases around the country, some would argue the right thing to do at the time. Bush becomes President and 9/11 happens, right or wrong, we end up in Iraq. Bush then gets blamed for sending our troops into harms way unprepared, this was a direct result of cut backs on prepardedness.

If you're that soldier sent into battle, you could give a crap about who's fault it is that you don't have the proper equipment, all you know is your ass in on the line and your country needs to back you all the way.

This President wants to cut back on military spending to cut the deficit, I understand, but this is the dilemna we face experiencing a financial crisis; no easy answers.

One thing is for sure, there is a faction in the world that wants us gone from the face of this earth and they seem determined to accomplish their goal, we must not lose sight of this.

A brigadier general in the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is nothing but a low life relative of an ignorant Mullah, who knows nothing and has very little education. He is not fit to comment on anything.

Iran would THINK it's WW3, but it would just be the United States kickin Iran's butt.

Just what Republicans always wanted, war with Iran.

Obama/Biden 2012

@ mquira;

Israel needs to stop or they will effectively create WWIII

You could also say Iran needs to open their nuclear programs and sites to the world. When it is proven they are not trying to create atomic weapons then all will be good. Why would you ask Israel to stop its actions,and not ask Iran to show us what they are up to? Which would also stop confrontation, if they are being truthfull. Which they are not,this has been quite obvious for some time.

@ emanuel;

Compare that to the number Americans have killed or devastated their lives (and/or city or country), which one you think would be greater? Did these people in these countries just wake up one day, throw a dart on a map and start hating America?

They drew first blood this century, and when we are poked we poke back harder. Al Qeada and Taliban, and sectarian vilolence, have killed thousands more than us in the ME and they are still at it weekly. Why do you fail to mention that?

Did these people in these countries just wake up one day, throw a dart on a map and start hating America?

No worse they are raised to hate the West. Lack of education,and poverty, and the lack of knowledge that America is out to advance a people,and give them choice, not destroy Islam, as the Imams in the ME teach. You could not teach this to Muslims in America, ya know why Emannuelle, because they know better.

Germany and Japan learned this lesson(poking us) the hard way, let us hope Iran does not have too, for the sake of our fighting men and women and the people of Iran.

Sharia, or Islamic law, influences the legal code in most Muslim countries.

Iran should prepare to defend itself against the US and the Israel Empire in their likely combined aggression.

It seems that the US has committed itself to aggression regardless of the regime that holds power.

I hope to see the reverse.

Me too....sometimes the bully needs to get his own butt kicked! I live here in the US, but know that our government has overstepped the wolrds policies...we are now the terrorists!

We said Iraq had WMD's but lied...yet we still overthrew and killed their leader.

We think we can just do what we want? We can run over any country without consequences....we USED to be a great nation, but our politicians are bought and paid for and have aligned themselves with AIPAC because of $$$, for their own personal gains, but they will send OUR children to die in a war that is not even our own??? No...we need an ass kickin....as so does israel!

After reading the majority of the posts here I can conclude that about eighty percent of the people posting are retards. I don't know why I expected anything different.

Iran is not actively seeking nuclear weapons; even if they were—by restarting their shuttered refinement operations–it would still be decades before they had a bomb and delivery vehicle.

All this partisan talk is just annoying.

I puke on you!

Ignorant jackass.

Too bad we can't throw you OUT of this country on your hind legs!

You're a strinking freaking liar and not even American.

American Girl, Under that fake avitar you've chosen, your words sound more like they're coming from an ugly, bitter, welfare receipient! God takes pity on you, I don't have to! I can merely ignore your mean spirited ramblings and wacko lies! I'd wish you a nice day, but don't think you've had one for many years!

God takes pity on you

Speaking of "fake avatars"....

Right now, I think it best that neither Ahmadinejad nor Netanyahu try anything stupid. It could have drastic consequences for the world if something happens now of all times.

From Israel's standpoint, doing nothing is in a sense doing something stupid, since doing nothing gives Iran more time to build their bomb. As long as Israel does nothing, Iran forges ahead with it, so they are, in a sense, "doing something" as well.

Israel will act when they feel they have no other choice. My question is, will we have their back or will we leave them hanging out there by themselves? With this administration, I seriously wonder what the answer to that question is.

Nemisis

Post 1.13 "When did they make a nuclear weapon you can strap on" Well apparently you still think of nukes as the "fat Boy" dropped on Japan,we come a long way baby. By the late fifties we had nukes that could be fired from field artillery, by the eighties there were "suitcase nukes" lord knows what they have now.

Emanual

post1.91 In Saudi Arabia public display of any non Muslim religion is illegal. Is that close enough,though Islam isnt the only religion being anything else could be dangerous

My question is, will we have their back or will we leave them hanging out there by themselves?

We should stop supporting that nation of evil and declare neutrality now.

@mqira;

Me too....sometimes the bully needs to get his own butt kicked! I live here in the US, but know that our government has overstepped the wolrds policies...we are now the terrorists

The bully? I belive you have it backwards. We do not hang our women for supposed adultery, we do not kill our citizens and imprison them for life over their political views, we do not threaten our neighbors with destruction. The main thing is that we did not start anything the terrorist did, and Iran is provoking us at every turn.

We said Iraq had WMD's but lied...yet we still overthrew and killed their leader.

That is still up for debate. Iraqis killed Saddam, the one who gassed many of their innocent civilians, the one who tried to assasinate our POTUS, too bad for Saddam that his son was later voted in. He was no leader he was a tyrant that ruled with fear and violence. The world is better without him.

You wish for America to get their butts kicked, and then Call yourself an American? If you wish to live under Sharia maybe you should move over there.

we do not kill our citizens and imprison them for life over their political views

The government can under the NDAA.

we do not threaten our neighbors with destruction.

But the US threatens nations with its own aggression.

That is still up for debate.

Not it isn't. The US invasions into Iraq/Afghanistan are both wars of aggression.

You wish for America to get their butts kicked, and then Call yourself an American?

All Americans should hope that aggressors are defeated even their own nation's armed forces which I hope is defeated if they attack Iran.

The Reich Wing Neo Cons dont like the Truth?

I want WAR, WAR WAR shouts the Reich Wing Neo Cons, I dont care if they are YOUR CHILDREN who will DIE, I dont care if Iran is just mouthing off, I dont care if there are a Million Casualties. I WANT WAR WAR WAR

If you want more war vote Romney/Ryan

Oh be still my heart! I pray everyday that they (Iran) will give the world a reason to nuke them (Iran) off the face of the earth. Do you seriously think that anybody would miss them? Eviscerate Itan and be done with it. Just considerate a little cleeaning of the scum off the pond.

Polka14

I got their back 100% See if I'm wrong I'm just an ass, if you're wrong a lot of people are going to die.

polka...I hope you are there when it all breaks out. I say nuke 'em and get it over with!! GLAZE 'em over!!

"independent"...your an idiot!

Do you seriously think that anybody would miss them?

Do you think anyone would miss the plague known as the Israel Empire?

I got their back 100%

I back the just side and that isn't the American/Israeli aggressors.

I say nuke 'em and get it over with!! GLAZE 'em over!!

Then prepare to get nuked yourself. The world wouldn't stand for that kind of aggression.

For all of you who way that Iran would have no way to transport a nuke, the first nuke's stats are:

Weight
9,700 pounds (4,400 kg)^[1]

Length
120 inches (3.0 m)^[1]

Diameter
28 inches (710 mm)^[

That can be carried by a truck... stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

Sounds like a threat to me. They have weapons that can reach our bases over there. What is that saying? Then Israel is "upset" bout Obama's stance on matters? Stupid. Why do they keep dragging us into their mess? They better be glad we are on their side. Any given country over there could blow them off the earth.

Emmanuel,

First of all, where ever duty calls, it is for our men and women to win at any cost, the body count should be higher on the enemies side. I am well aware there are Muslims in Israel, so what does that have to do with anything? A Sharia Law/Islamic Muslim is the same regarless of locale. Remember 9/11!!! So, take your Islamic, warped self and mind over there...

Skip Nicholson,

To you, I Apologize for using the word 'religion' out of context in my post.

@polka;

Not it isn't. The US invasions into Iraq/Afghanistan are both wars of aggression.

We invaded Iraq to take out an evil despot, and make sure he did not grow to follow through on the plans he had. I guess trying to kill our POTUS means nothing to you? Saddam was the threat not us. Afghanistan had terror camps supported by the Taliban, which were used to plan attacks on us. They helped 9/11 happen, they started it, we did not just invade Afghanistan as agressors, we put down the Taliban that were trying to put us down. We take the fight to them, this has always been the way, maybe you would foolishly wait for a KNOWN THREAT to come to you,but we know better.

The government can under the NDAA.

Give me a break, this really happens in Iran. I do not believe I have ever heard of it happening here in modern times, nor do I believe I will ever see it happen. I am not talking about some wild protestor getting arrested, you know what I mean, true prison, not overnight for a disorderly,I am talking labor camps,torture,long sentences so dont go there.

We invaded Iraq to take out an evil despot, and make sure he did not grow to follow through on the plans he had. I guess trying to kill our POTUS means nothing to you? Saddam was the threat not us. Afghanistan had terror camps supported by the Taliban, which were used to plan attacks on us. They helped 9/11 happen, they started it, we did not just invade Afghanistan as agressors, we put down the Taliban that were trying to put us down. We take the fight to them, this has always been the way, maybe you would foolishly wait for it to come to you,but we know better.

The invasions were based on lies including the idea that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and would use them against the US somehow. That was a bold lie and it worked. The US is the threat to world security and are the real terrorists in the world. Those invasions further ruined both those nations and many civilians died. We shouldn't "take the fight" to an enemy. That is aggression. You wait to be attacked in order to have a just cause.

you know what I mean, true prison, not overnight for a disorderly,I am talking labor camps,torture,long sentences so dont go there.

All that is in the NDAA so that is why they are building the FEMA camps.

Truetexan

The answer is what would be your Mother, Alex for 200

As usual the 92% of US Citizens that have NEVER Served in the US Military start posting nonsense.

Those that have never worked in the Nuclear Weapons, Missile, Chemical Weapons, Biological Weapons Career Fields suddenly know all about them.

Those that never learned Islam, Farsi, maybe cannot even find the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran on a map know all about everything. And your posts prove you know nothing.

The few of us that have survived ever since the US Military Training Teams to US Ally Iraq during the Iran Iraq Wars and Operation Cyclone attempt to tell you things and you, just like the US Politicians (All Political Parties) refuse to listen.

Coral Taxi,

I am winning our discussion. Most Americans TOO LAZY to do the Research.

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Hello folks, our country is broke and weary of war. If Israel wants to start a war, let them finish it alone. The U.S. and Israel are trying to concoct false flags to start another war but it won’t happen. The elite are ratcheting up the rhetoric and the warmonger sheeple are getting sucked in to the propaganda. Let’s take an objective look at the Iran situation. Ask yourself, what would happen if Iran attacked an oil refinery in the US? Of course we would go into Iran and bomb their country. Well, we bombed an Iranian oil refinery and they didn’t retaliate. We issued sanctions on their oil and export industries and they didn’t retaliate. Israel is killing their scientists and they didn’t retaliate. Why is that?

While appearing vulnerable they took control of the most sophisticated drone on the planet downloaded and deciphered the encrypted information and have our Military intelligence (I know it’s an oxymoron) people worried that top secret information has been compromised.

Do you believe that the Iranian’s have the capability to bring down a state of the art drone and have it land where they want it to and down load and decipher complex encrypted code? It appears that Iran has been getting help and lots of it from a very sophisticated source or sources. The US already declared war on Iran by issuing sanctions and covertly bombing them but they don’t dare overtly go in because it would jeopardize China’s oil flow, piss off Russia, Turkey and the local Arab countries. This would also force Iraq to support Iran. We got kicked out of Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan is trying to get us to leave their country. The Middle East is kicking us out which means we are running out of staging areas and NATO support for an attack on Iran. The US tried to concoct fraudulent excuses to stir up public support to go into Iran. There was the laughable assassination ruse of the Mexican drug cartel and the more unbelievable law suit stating Iran was part of 9/11. There were also claims that Iran attacked Iraq, there are claims Iran is hacking our banking system, etc. The elite are running out of false flags. Iran is out foxing the US because they have the world divided and we can’t command an organized response. The UN Security Council voted against the US a few weeks ago. China and Russia have gone on record that if Iran is attacked they would support Iran. The world is getting fed up and bored with our Imperialism and the elite who orchestrate war.

We have been fighting urban wars of attrition for over 11 years now and we are broke, our allies are broke. We have spent close to 3 Trillion dollars in Afghanistan and Iraq. We can’t afford another expensive protracted war a half a world away and the US citizens are sick of war. There was 85% support for Ron Paul amongst our troops because they are sick of war and he promised to end the wars, too bad the RNC robbed him of his delegates. The lengthy wars have depleted our manpower, equipment, and our political capital.

Recently the Census Department of the Federal Government reported that “50% of the nation’s population were living below the poverty line”. Our nation’s wealth has been exhausted by war so that we could secure profits for the banking, oil, and Military/Industrial cartels. We never saw a dime of it and never will because the 1% elite feel they have a Divine Right at our expense. You know their motto, privatize profits and socialize losses. They truly can’t squeeze much more from the peasantry but they will try.

Our government has been trying to get Iran to do something stupid so that we can attack them but they won’t do it. Iran isn’t Iraq or Afghanistan. They haven’t done anything, aren’t weak and they aren’t bluffing. They are asserting their right as a sovereign nation and have the support of some very powerful countries. If we attack Iran, the war will be at our doorstep and then we will see how brave you who espouse war respond. When you live by the sword, you die by the sword.

We used to be The Land of the Free and Home of the Brave now we are the The Land of the Detained and Home of the Cowards! Stand up to Israel and don't allow them to order our country to start WW III!

@POLKA;

Those invasions further ruined both those nations and many civilians died

Those nations now vote their leaders in. Chaos ensues in all baby Democracies including ours. The pay off in the long run is rule of law, something that will take decades if ever to take hold in the ME. We did not ruin these countries, we took both countries out from under the rule of tyrants and gave them choice, the rest is up to them, and at this moment I am concerned.

I would rather have choice and some chaos, than opression and order. Those risking death by Taliban,or Al qeada, just to dip their finger and have choice, which is millions, feel the same way also. Who are you to tell them different ?

@ "independant"...At least I am a higher form of life that has a mother. Pond scum like yourself has none.

Those nations now vote their leaders in.

Iraq is an Islamic theocracy now thanks to the US when before it was secular. The militants and terrorists want to do the same in Syria as they did in Al-Misr. Afghanistan is the same as it ever was and the Taliban will return to ruling that nation when the imperialists withdraw.

You think "giving" a false sense of choice is worth 100,000 dead? I would disagree.

Another Iraq WMD situation, so the US an control Iranian oil.

Polka.....you should move to Iran.

If you are an American citizen residing here in the US, you should be at least thankful for the right to voice opinions, however critical, about the government. And tell me, for every single decision you've made in you're entire life, was it ALWAYS the correct one? You've never made any mistakes? If the United States is defeated, you will be paying the price as well. I for one disagree with many of the past, present, and future policies of the US government, but I was born in the US and am a proud American, just as my immigrant parents are. Stop thinking only about the present.

If you are not an American citizen, then as I have stated previously, move to Iran. Would you then have the same opinion of the Iranian government if it made the first strike? More interestingly, I don't think your post would even be up here. You would either be too scared to say anything, or probably killed by the government for opposing its views.

@ "american girl"...Your not much of an American are you. Anyone who wishes America harm is more of a TRAITOR! SOOOOO why dont you pick your favorite country and move your happy a$$ there.

Thanks Burroughs, have a good life.

Polka14 - After reading your comments, one might conclude that you are in dire need of counseling and good quality medications... ?

The present day situation goes back at least 1,000 years - with different players.

Israel has a right to exist. End of argument. However, if another country/countries in the region do not agree with that fundamental right, they might take action. (NOTE: There is a history of that actually happening.)

Therefore, the country of Israel arms itself very well - to be prepared for any eventuality. If an avowed enemy publicly states that their goal is to wipe you off the earth, what should be your response?

Forewarned is forearmed. Preemptive action might be necessary for survival.

The leader in charge in Iran is nothing more than a "SNARF." That is a person who is so short, that he blows sand in his shoes when he farts. He might be mentally ill, suffering with illusions of grandeur disorder.

You sound like an enemy of Israel and the United States. I hope you live in Iran. If so, maybe the last thing you will see is "MADE IN ISRAEL" on the tip of a cruise missile as it lands in you lap. That would be a fitting end.

@ polka;

Iraq is a Democracy, not a theocracy. There is no religous leader with the final say, or chosen by succession.

You think "giving" a false sense of choice is worth 100,000 dead? I would disagree.

They chose their leaders, and will again. This is no "false choice" .

I think having choice is worth as many lives as it takes, and fortunatley for us so did our forefathers. Lest ye forget we spilt much blood to become free.

This should give speculators a reason to raise gas prices.

These events are all part of a complex set of middle eastern dynamics. Unfortunately, many Americans seem totally unaware that the vast majority of Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. The definition of an infidel is a 'non-believer?' In the event some may fail to understand the significance of that Islamic command, all followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of their faith so they can have a place in heaven. In effect they have been commanded to kill everyone in this chat who is not a Muslim.

Islam's Sharia Law which promotes a prime directive found in the Koran ordering followers to: "Seek out, find and kill all non-believers." Muslims are overtaking and destroying countries like France, Holland, Belgium, Norway, Sweden and the United Kingdom. It is this very Sharia Law that dictates beheading, female genital mutilation, stoning of women for adultery, honor killings, forced and arranged marriages, women cannot leave their house without a family male escort, separated swim times at pools for males and females and complete subjugation of women by men. Homosexuals are to be killed. Abortion is haram and not allowed in Islam, but Muslims are allowed to kill their daughter if she refuses to marry the man they had chosen for her. Muslims also hold to a belief that that it is permissible to steal money and property from non-Muslims in order to distribute it, but if they steal from each other the offender's hands are to be cut off.

The challenges for America are obvious. Time is running out for a diplomatic solution to the nuclear program that Israel regards as an existential threat. We’ve come to a very critical juncture where important decisions do have to be made. Iranian leaders have given “no sign of reacting” to sanctions and “no sign of showing flexibility at the negotiating table!

A nuclear-armed Iran would be able to “commit incalculable atrocities” and that the window for diplomacy to avert that “is now almost closed.” America has reached the tipping point in a global conflict in which victory for freedom over world tyranny lays in the balance. Iran is one step away from establishing a nuclear terrorist empire.

In reality, the greatest threat to our nation and the free world is now Iran and Obama‘s foreign policy. Once Iran has nuclear weapons, there is no question they will use them against Israel, America and American interests around the world. Those in the intelligence community say “End this dangerous game. Destroy Iran’s terrorist nuclear facilities now. America, Israel, and the Free World will not survive a nuclear-armed Iran.“

Others say the threat of a counter attack that will ultimately destroy Iran will hold them in check. However, experts in understanding radical Islam suggest Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, hopes to use a nuclear war in a misguided and mentally unbalanced effort to set in motion the return of the 12th Imam.

It is said, “There is a radical difference between the Islamic Republic of Iran and other governments with nuclear weapons. This difference is expressed in what can only be described as the apocalyptic worldview of Iran’s present rulers.” In other words, Iran doesn’t fear retaliation if they attack Israel or the United States because a final global struggle against an evil enemy will present them with the privileges of martyrdom as taught in Islam.”

Death is not a deterrent. Ahmadinejad seems to believe “that the hand of God is guiding him to trigger a series of cataclysmic events which could precipitate the return of the 12th Imam and that these cataclysmic events to prepare the way for Shiite Muslims’ awaited messiah.

This is why many in the intelligence community believe Obama‘s misguided and weak foreign policy combined with what is perceived to be mentally unbalanced leadership in Iran, presents the greatest threat to our nation and the free world in our history! Without strong leadership in the Whitehouse and unless we face Iran now, it has been suggested it will not much matter who will be President in 2013.

@ david;

I am winning our discussion. Most Americans TOO LAZY to do the Research.

The argument was who was more informed, Afghanistan or Americans even as far as their own country. Granted there are alot on the vines that speak of what they do not know, as I said before you should politely correct, not critiscize, and insult. You obviously have a wealth of knowledge on the ME, You should argue more on ideologies, and philosophies,with those in the know, rather than being critical of others ignorance,lets turn this page and call it draw. At least you are keeping it shorter, more will read it this way.

Iran's leadership can't do math very well or at all. The US has three planes on aircraft carriers in the area to every one the Iranians have. Add Israel's too that means 4 or 5 to 1 advantage of aircraft. One US or Israeli pilot is worth at least 4 Iranian pilots. The advantage of nukes is like a 300 to one when they get some. Right now it is 20K to none. Can they get off a first strike? Sure. Can they survive it? No. Our strike can include a 100 cruise missles and all 100 can be nukes. More missles than targets.

Coral Taxi - as I said before you should politely correct,

Did that and yet they still repeat the same uniformed things over and over and over again.

Coral Taxi - At least you are keeping it shorter, more will read it this way.

And that is the other tragedy, as complex matters cannot be made into one liners or Political Sound Bites.

By the way about the Deep Penetrator Bombs, it has already been stated that "someone" would have to target those so that they can accurately place each bomb one after another on the same location to "dig" down to the Iranian Nuclear Facilities below 250 feet.

It is way past the time to even attempt to do that. The time to have attacked is when the US Ally Saudi Arabia was begging the US and or Israel to do something.

Based on previous estimates (that were wrong) it was Decades for Iran to create a Nuclear Weapon. They had help from the Russian Federation, Pakistan, North Korea, that advanced that to even earlier than what was recently stated.

ClearVoice—I'll be blatant—you're an idiot.

First, you obviously know little about Islam or Iran—I suggest you educate yourself.

Next, Jihad is nothing like you describe; nor are they taking over and destroying the countries you mention.

Further, Sharia Law is not the only judicial code system that espouses beheadings, genital mutilation, stoning woman, ect, ect. In fact, if you actually look into it, you'll notice that many of the things you describe are common to other cultures and beliefs.

Additionally, time is not running out on a solution; as Iran is not actively seeking nuclear weapons or close to developing them at this time.

A nuclear armed Iran would be no different than a nuclear armed Pakistan, India, North Korea, China… Oh wait. The only reason Iran wants nuclear weapons is a deterrent to outside aggression from a nuclear armed Israel. We saw the same dynamic in the Pakistan-India fiasco. They're merely deterrents to invasion, which is what we're seeing with a non-nuclear armed Iran currently.

Further, your slippery slope argument is without basis. Do you really believe that a nation such as Iran will commit suicide by using nuclear strikes on any other country through military action or proxies? Again, why don't you learn about Iran a little bit?

Nuclear terrorist empire? Freedom versus world tyranny? The fight of good and evil? You're one naive son of a bitch if you really believe this; there is no clear cut good and evil in this world.

Those in the intelligence community say "End this dangerous game. Destroy Iran's terrorist nuclear facilities now. America, Israel, and the Free World will not survive a nuclear-armed Iran."

I can assure you that you're misguided.
The rest of your post is just fear mongering, unintelligent, nonsense; really, take off your partisan hat for a moment and think for a bit.

William...you look to be a fairly young man if that is your picture. I would suggest to you, (and I'll be blatant) that you REALLY should grow up a little and LEARN a little more before you spew what YOU deam as facts. I HAVE done research on islam and he IS correct!! YOU take the partisan hat off and research!! You will find , only if you look, that that is a religion (way of life for them) of hate. They care nothing about this life but how quickly to end this life for their 12th imam (I know its spelled wrong) to appear and their version of the here after comes. They want a holocaust. What he posted is NOT fear mongering nonsense. You are the one who is misguided.

William Bentley

Your childish wishful thinking has nothing to do with the reality before us and your obvious geopolitical ignorance presents a danger to you and all those who read your dribble!

I can absolutely guarantee you your perspective is incongruous with conclusions reached in government think tanks! Your suggestion that a nuclear Iran is no different than a nuclear armed Pakistan, India, North Korea, China is a patent falsehood born of pure utter ignorance !

It is clear you have no connection to the intelligence community and perhaps no intelligence period!

Coral Taxi - The argument was who was more informed, Afghanistan or Americans even as far as their own country.

Unfortunely, from doing our US Military Asymmetric Warfare Humanitarian Assistance Mission including teaching at the schools that we helped the build, the Afghans still have a higher motivation to learn than Americans, develop their learning and research skills; since they usually do walk a few miles to get to school while dodging being caught by the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban (that usually cut off body parts).

To teach them about America we usually assigned them research projects to do in class, as to give them homework if they are caught they will usually be killed. Many wanted to become Translators with their hope that they can get out of Afghanistan.

After our current Mission to another Nation at US AFRICOM, we will be returning to Afghanistan to continue our US Military Asymmetric Warfare Missions before the end of 2012, and will remain for more years of consecutive tours long after the US Military Conventional Warfare Forces abandon US Ally Afghanistan 2014.

Wouldn't That be Nice.... But That Ain't Going To Happen! Now If Israel Wants To Make It Out That Iran Started World War III.....Now They Just Have To Schedule A Drill!

If Iran Attacks Israel First Russia & China Probably Won't Get Involved (If They Ever Would). If Iran Attacks US In The Process We Will Be Justified In A Total Response Ourselves.

Otherwise Just Like Russia & China America Needs To Stay Out Of This Mess Unless We Can Prove Iran Went Psycho And Attacked US Along With Israel.

Then All Bets Are Off And Take Your Family To The Nearest Nuclear Shelter......Oh I Forgot The Federal Government Doesn't Build Those For Most Of US Anymore Just For Wall Streets Elite!

Again This Story Is Just Another Of The Endless Propaganda & Disinformation Not War Leading Up To Wall Streets Latest Hot War.......I Just Hope A Miss-Calculation On These UN Globalists Part Doesn't Result In The Death Of US All!

Psst If It Does All Of You Die Hard Obama Supporters In The Inter-City Will Be The First To Go..........Flash Bang And Kiss All Of Your A$$'s Goodbye!

"Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind. " ~George Orwell

Well I work for the government and served in the military. The facts I've stated are correct and without partisan bias.

ROFLMAO----THE first part is to the POOR EXCUSE of skin who calls herself "AMERICAN GIRL"

RE: 1.100--1.97--1.102---1.106---

WONDER if AND WHERE your from---YOU fit into several categories---I will leave that up to MY FELLOW VETERANS and VINERS to filll that in HOWEVER --IN my book --YOU ARE DISGUSTING! YOU DON'T know a DAMM THING about what YOU are commenting on and I suspect YOU are an OBAMA SLIME-BAG PLANT!

NOW as to theOBAMA---A MUSLIME in my book--31 years practicing ISLAM---

OBAMA practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

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COWARD and LIAR---THE most RECENT is the LOSS OF 4 REAL AMERICANS in LIBYA---

NOW IF you can PROVE ME WRONG BE MY GUEST---DON'T think your off the hook because I will be watching and I BET that MY CREDENTIALS are a WHOLE LOT more advanced than yours are!

"They told (us) to open up the Embassy, or "we'll blow you away." And then they looked up and saw the Marines on the roof with these really big guns, and they said in Somali, "Igaralli ahow," which means "Excuse me, I didn't mean it, my mistake"." Karen Aquilar, in the U.S. Embassy; Mogadishu, Somalia, 1991

"The above was brought to you by a DHS-CERTIFIED TERRORIST---A VIETNAM COMBAT MARINE-AMONG OTHER PLACES---a VETERAN with an ATTITUDE" jscusmc69 65-2005 USMC RVN 65&67

caps are for emphsis only and not shouting!

@ 1.104----YOU are running a close second to the POS---American Girl---you both must be the same socks!

When you have an ARAB/AMERICAN-MUSLIM COWARD in our white house ---theobama has already STATED that HE will stand with the MUSLIMS---ISRAEL knows that they MIGHT NOT be able to count on a LONG TIME ALLIE. AND of these ISLAMIC TRASH in IRAN really think that they could GET AWAY SCOTT FREE with an ATTACK on ISRAEL---they should LOOK REAL CLOSE at the MOTTO of ISRAEL---"NEVER AGAIN".

YOU are looking at a COUNTRY that will go down in flames BEFORE they allow ANYONE to slaughter them again--and THEY ALREADY HAVE NUKES.

The above was brought to you by a DHS-CERTIFIED TERRORIST---A VIETNAM COMBAT MARINE-AMONG OTHER PLACES---a VETERAN with an ATTITUDE" jscusmc69 65-2005 USMC RVN 65&67

caps are for emphsis only and not shouting!

ADMINAJERK and HIS HOGMULLAS should THINK again prior to doing anything STUPID...THEY will loose--AND IF ISRAEL did TURN them to GLASS---SH*T HAPPENS and the world will be a better place! SAVES BULLETS LATER!!

After the statements from the Obama administration concerning the nature of the attack in Libya, Obama has zero credibility. As it is now crystal clear that he will lie to the American people about a terrorist attack ( calling it an part of a spontaneous protest) in order to save his election campaign. He will even go so far as to use a BS cover story concocted by the terrorist as the basis of his lie. Can it get any lower than that?

Truetexan

I will take pond scum over a TEA TURD everyday of the week and twice on Sunday, Tea Turds stink and they always get flushed down the Krapper

William Bentley

You are sadly mistaken and President Obama doesn't even agree with you.

I dont care WHO you work for william, you have NO facts. Anyone who has been listening to what the little hitler in iran says OR has done ANY research what so ever knows better than what you have posted.

@"independant... HAHAHA You arent smart enough to know what you are talking about. It shows. You must be fresh off the leaches slime at the bottom of that pond. You can smell pond scum from miles away. Just responding to scum like you makes me need a shower. Loser today...loser for the rest of your life. Just another member of the a$$ party.

jscusmc69....Two Small Problems With Your Nuke Them To Glass Theory.....Russia & China!

I Just Hope All Of You Wall Street Not War For Fun & Profit Supporters Aren't Wrong Because All Of Our Children's Lives (But Not Most Of The Elites OR THEIR CHILDREN) Depend On Your Kind Of People Not Screwing The Pooch!

Historical That Has Been A VERY BAD ASSUMPTION For That Is What They Seem Best At....Screwing The Pooch!

Don't Believe? Watch This New PBS Documentary.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l-8PFk8j5I

Anyway You Look At It.......It Was By Design Or Neglect!

"All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting." ~George Orwell

William Bentley

You are sadly mistaken and President Obama doesn't even agree with you.

Then please present me with facts to the contrary; find the international inspections that have taken place in Iran and threat assessments for Iran's nuclear program.
I don't really care if the President agrees with me; his advisors do, and the military leaders do. I don't like the President as much as the next person, however, I'm not going to sit here and talk @!$%# about our democratically elected leader. Isn't that what you and your ilk tout? Democracy and freedom throughout the world; why then is there this need to bash our own elected leaders?
Please also refer me to a time in the history of civilization that external pressures ever caused a cultural shift that lasted? The only real changes come from internal pressure.

I dont care WHO you work for william, you have NO facts. Anyone who has been listening to what the little hitler in iran says OR has done ANY research what so ever knows better than what you have posted.

Again, post some links to this "research", you know, actual reports and breifings.

Little hitler, cute.

Hell, you haven't even said what parts you have a problem with.

Israel has a right to exist. End of argument.

All countries and all races have a right to exist. That includes Iran. Now it's the End of argument.

@William Bentley

I see a lot of posturing, denying and vows of idiocy in your diatribe. What I don't see are supporting facts. Support of Israel=100%

@Polka

You reaallly need to move to Iran or anyplace besides America. See if you like that a whole lot... Just don't come back please...

Well Pam, please point to a location in my post that you deem is incorrect and I'll respond.

Scary bastards! Ain't no fun when the rabbit's got the gun huh?

The middle east is imploding and Barry is still in campaign mode!

WHY would anyone even consider voting for him again?

"There will be no neutral country in the region," Hajizadeh was quoted as saying. "To us, these bases are equal to U.S. soil."

The present day situation goes back at least 1,000 years - with different players.

Israel has a right to exist. End of argument. However, if another country/countries in the region do not agree with that fundamental right, they might take action. (NOTE: There is a history of that actually happening.)

I disagree with that right. The land that is now the Israeli Empire was stolen from their rightful owners.

Therefore, the country of Israel arms itself very well - to be prepared for any eventuality. If an avowed enemy publicly states that their goal is to wipe you off the earth, what should be your response?

The republic of Iran has stated that they seek the end of the imperial regime, not the nation which they have the right to support the liberation of Islamic soil by the way.

Forewarned is forearmed. Preemptive action might be necessary for survival.

The Israeli Empire isn't even threatened. They threaten Iran.

You sound like an enemy of Israel and the United States. I hope you live in Iran. If so, maybe the last thing you will see is "MADE IN ISRAEL" on the tip of a cruise missile as it lands in you lap. That would be a fitting end.

I am an enemy of American aggression and the Israeli Empire. Nice death wishing though. I don't hope for your death.

-ISRAEL knows that they MIGHT NOT be able to count on a LONG TIME ALLIE

An ALLY huh??? That is why the empire attacked the US in the 1970's??? With those "allies" then who needs enemies???

truetexan, western

Why dont both of you get out your moms Basement and get a JOB. Moochers like you That Give TeaTards a worse name. There hasn't been 1 welfare check you haven't cashed? Right...... Go back to The Hills of Moochers Holler, Time to check back in the Computer to the Library, Keep hoping 1 day you will be able to see the city, Nighty Night

So if I am hearing this right, they plan to preempt a preemptive strike?

Doesn't that just confirm the obvious, that they have wanted to spark this war all along?

An ALLY huh??? That is why the empire attacked the US in the 1970's??? With those "allies" then who needs enemies???

People always forget about Israel attacking the US special mission ship during their conflict in the Middle East.

So if I am hearing this right, they plan to preempt a preemptive strike?

Doesn't that just confirm the obvious, that they have wanted to spark this war all along?

Please, the media is here for entertainment. They have misquoted a general playing lip service to his community. What would the US do under threat of attack by a superior force; we would play the same lip service even if we had no intention of actually doing anything.

Iran had no intention of sparking any war; but they can't lay back and take threats to their sovereignty either.

William Bentley

You have earned a position of honor and respect in my mind!

However, while discussion at this level hardly represents "canoe" or “penumbra" level security, it is obvious you failed to muster the requisite intelligence before commenting. An officer would have been trained to understand there is a tension characteristic found in every war fought by America in which the military has an operational requirement for information to be made available only on a need to know basis.

While you may have attempted to offer your comments without partisan bias, they unfortunately represent a serious deficiency in either requisite research or analytical acumen. Going forward, it is important to remember it is almost always more important to respond from a basis of operational intelligence than one based on a knee-jerk emotional reaction. Such emotion is a natural human tendency, but these are highly sensitive matters of national security meriting the utmost in responsibility and self discipline.

Ahmedinajad has repeatedly and continuously stated (in Persian, not English) that the objective of his government and their Mullahs is to bring about the cataclysmic global war that their satanic demented religion mandates before the 12th Imam can return as the universal global religous leader of Islam. The threat of WWIII is not an idle one, Iran has been steadfastly pursuing the means of waging it on a global scale for a very long time. Nuclear, chemical and biological weapons are a part of this. The rest of the world has allowed the best opportunities for ending this psychopathic rampage to slip by for decades and it may be too late to stop the inevitable global war that Iran and Islam desparately wants to start to precipitate the advent of their precious satan-spawn 12th Imam.

Prior to our entry into World War II, the USA blockaded the Straits of Hormuz to prevent Japan from getting Persian Gulf Oil.

Let's not forget that in 1953 the CIA led a coup d'état to over throw the Democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran because he was going to nationalize the oil industry which was overwhelmingly supported by the people and parliament. They then installed a puppet government. Yea, I think they have a right not to like or trust the US.

Let's not forget that in 1953 the CIA led a coup d'état to over throw the Democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran because he was going to nationalize the oil industry which was overwhelmingly supported by the people and parliament. They then installed a puppet government. Yea, I think they have a right not to like or trust the US

It was the US and British that spearheaded the coup; it eventually led to the Cultural Revolution in the late 70's that put the fundamentalist in power.
External pressure rarely works for very long, real change needs to come from within the country of question.

@allen30151418.... I want to have whatever you are smoking

lets see - Iran attacks Israel - Israel kicks ass as they always do but this time with a new twist as they turn Iran into one large pile of glass. Iran compuinds their ignorance by attacking a US installation and we carpet the glass Iran in iaranian bodies - sooo the done side would be less radical muslims in the world - sounds like a win win scenario

don_draper

What makes you an expert superskunk? I don't need the media to figure out that Iran is run by Islamic extremists who are one step away from suicidal. China, Russia, N Korea, they are atheists, and survival of their regimes is of utmost importance. Religious ideology is the danger here.

You don't need the media, you're right about that. What you may want to look into is some history, US history and Iranian history, and when and where their paths have crossed. Not the history you're taught in school, most of that is garbage, and what isn't is just part of the story.

Our country is run by christian extremists, but it doesn't mean that all Americans are religious extremists.

If you think religious ideology is the issue here you are way off base. Part of the reason there is tension between our government and the Iranian government started with the 53' coup, when the democratically elected PM, Mohammed Mossadegh, was ousted during Operation AJAX. Which was a MI6/CIA cooperative to get rid of democracy in Iran because it threatened the UK control of Iranian oil. From 53-79 Iran was run by a puppet government controlled by the MI6 and CIA, which also happened to be a military junta. The Iranian people got sick of the puppet foreign controlled government which led to the revolution in '79.

Since then they have observed the US military empire take over and occupy most of their neighboring countries.

Let me ask you this, how would you feel if a foreign countries military took over and occupied Canada and Mexico ?

I agree they are run by a fundamental muslim regime and they are a little off, but they aren't the threat we're led to believe they are. Our country is run by a fundamental christian regime that are a little off, our country just happens to spend on military for what seems like global conquest proportions and enjoys destroying democracy outside this country.

real change needs to come from within the country of question.

If Iran can be left alone long enough to do that. If you look at their history outsiders have been trying to control Iran for a long time because of their oil. Britain more than anyone else. I can understand why they revolted, we would have too. They were invaded and occupied by Britain and the USSR during WWII for their oil. Had their government overthrown in a coup because of their oil. They should have the right to govern themselves and control their oil. But we as Americans have been fed a bunch of propaganda.

IndependentinSD, sounds like you are describing yourself more than others in post #1.164!

hey creek dog someone's paying attension to the times yea it's getting kinda late and i think that if it comes about the way it sounds and war happends it won't matter much who wins we'll all lose and it won't matter at all./ superskunk you paid atension in history class just like viet nam cia involved had air america and ran it mostly in nam and it cost a lot of lifes

Bossing America around.........who does Iran think it is......Mexico?

A strong military is what keeps this country free. The men in this country have never backed away from a fight when it comes to our freedom. When you beat the crap out of a bully, they learn to leave you alone.

@ lacywild

Ahh yes, because it is so important to spend more money than the combine amount of the next 5 top countries in the world.

The question is, with all those military and fight power, who are we going to attack next?

The Soviet collapsed because they spend more than half of theirs money on military and we are currently spending over 20% of ours each year on military. With an increase to 1.8 trillions, that will be more than 50%, which part should we cut to cover that? And how long can it last?

Only a fool would ignore history and repeat the same mistake twice.

of course they aren't running that story Moderate, it's so full of misinformation it ain't funny, did you get it from Fox?

Naughty, you better go read up on the attacks that occurred under Reagan, if 4 Americans dead cause you to disrespect the office of the presidency then I wonder how badly you'll start disrespecting Reagan

lacywild, is that why we had to fight the British twice? the Germans twice? the communists twice? the Spanish/Mexicans on several occasions? the Native Americans untold numbers of times? seems like we ain't teaching as good a lesson as you think or your answer is just plain erroneous

Cuong....based on your name, it is very likely that the USA was involved in attempting to liberate you, and may have even opened the doors for you to immigrate to this Mighty and PROUD nation. If not you, then perhaps your parents?? So what is your problem with Military Strength of our Country??? Many of our Finest Citizens are Voluntary participants in that strength.

@CuongDNguyen the number was the next 17 countries combined, though that number may have increased in the past year

Iran has a constitution that explicitly demands its followers to kill, plunder, or subjugate unbelievers like me. It demands that they make war with the unbeliever until disbelief is no more and the world is for their God alone. Their hatred of Jews is even greater than their hatred of me. It is religiously justified in verses of their constitution.

I follow a constitution that has no such wording and no such imperatives and does not threaten Iranians or followers of any religion. Is it worth protecting?

The Iranians are about to build a nuclear bomb to back up their threat.

Does the Iranian government and people expect that I will accept the implicit threats inherent in their constitution, and the real threat of modern weapons and not defend myself?

Iran has mental rabies and are the source of World War III if one is to be fought.

Love2troops, more soldiers have died under conservative rule than under Democrat rule by about 10x, and before you start talking about fatal blunders on 9/11 you better go read up on what happened to the Marines in Lebanon under Reagan, besides, you have no clue how much money would have to be spent, nor the logistics involved, in beefing up the defense of every single American installation in the world since we had no clue what the target was except that terrorists don't usually stage an attack on 9/11 anniversarys

well over 300,000 organizations have exemptions to ACA including all individuals currently with insurance coverage, Bush expanded and relaxed the SNAP program when he saw the looming financial crisis and knew that people usually prohibited from it would need it, Republican governors including Romney wanted the work requirements changed so they could meet the requirement better and with a waiver they have to INCREASE the number of people leaving welfare and going back to work

truth is a lot better than what you were spouting off

@Moderate in madison

Ahh yes, when you have nothing, you attack the person directly.

A little history would show you that the US ignored HoChiMinh at first when he pledged for help. Otherwise, Vietnam's constitution would be much similar to US and we wouldn't be communist like now. It also help a little to let's you know that US gave Vietnam to the French, which the cause of the fight in the first place.

After all that, they then fear the spread of communist and then come back to help South Vietnam and then gave up half way. How is all that military strength help you so far?

Fast forward to the present, how is the threat of communist now? Did it destroy the world, causing massive chaos or topple the US and its allies yet?

Oh, I guess you just clueless about all that, right? What are we seeing here? Almost the same thing, the spread of Muslim, the fear monger and the military build up.

Obama's diplomacy is a very good example of how not to deal with Islamic idiots...look what happened in Egypt, and Lybia...Obama's kissing backside is really the best way? During the middle of the crisis in Lybia where was Obama?? In a city he said no one should go to ..... Las Vegas, colllecting money for his campaign..the man is a dud....

@ lacywild

The US is helpless? Which reality did you come from? We have more carrier than any country in the world, more weapons, more NUKE. In fact, with all the NUKES the US is stockpiling now, we can destroy the world several times and still have more NUKES than any countries combine.

Is that what you call helpless? Whoa, I guess we need to spend more so we can destroy the world not several times, but several hundreds times over.

Nguyen. I never said the U.S. was helpless. Try reading my post again. I said only a fool would leave themselves helpless. Americans aren't fools. We will defend freedom and no military can compare to ours. You can bank on that one.

Cuong....Communism FAILED because of the USA resistance worldwide. Our Military Strength has served to keep us FREE from Communism and Dictatorship...it has also provided you with a HOME in the USA away from Vietnam "communist like now".

Cuong

You must have read Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, because you sir, attack the messenger with innuendos and name calling such as fool, et alia.

There is no problem to debate a subject rather than become venomous.

@Moderate in madison

Did you read? If the US actually helped, Vietnam wouldn't be communist in the first place, we would have democracy. The US has several chances to help, but they didn't, that is a fact.

Ahh yes, we stop the spread of communist with military strength, help the world from the brink of destruction and stop all the chaos and wrong in the world.

Are we planning to do it with Muslim now? If they are not following what you said or your ways, attack them?

@jack from Jax

Messager? More like Propaganda machine.

So, I guess the fact that he post about how heroic the rescue of me and my parents while ignore the better part of history and how it leads to the rescue.

Which part did I insult him or name calling? Calling him clueless from the fact that he doesn't even know about all that is considered an "insult" now?

Yeah, CUONG, The USA did help South Vietnam....WITH OUR LIVES AND BLOOD......Where the hell were the South Vietnamese??? Cowering under their beds, and leaving the country, that's where.

Cuong

You misunderstood my suggestion - use facts during a debate - just don't pull items out of the air or memory, because memoty sometimes fails to be accurate. This is what I said above:

There is no problem to debate a subject rather than become venomous

[quote]Keith Brackett

of course they aren't running that story Moderate, it's so full of misinformation it ain't funny, did you get it from Fox?[/quote]

Keep your head buried in the sand like a good little ignorant liberal.

Wow, you sound nothing like a moderate to me "Moderate". I'm an independent and watch all the news services. Fox has just as much biased garbage as any other.

If the Pedophile Arab regime prepares a preemptive strike, the Israelis will order a PRE-preemptive strike.
The Iranians need to be dealt with NOW.....our president is not acting like a president.

Keith Brackett says "more soldiers have died under conservative rule than under Democrat rule by about 10x".

Really? Ever added up all the soldiers killed in WWII? Wasn't a Democrat in the White House for all of WWII?

WWIII??? Bull!! That that dog won't hunt. It would require a confrontation and hostilities between the US and Russia/China and that will never happen over Iran. Russia and China may complain at the UN about us attacking Iran but that is about it. Hell they may even veto a vote on the US attacking Iran, big deal. In a war with the US, Iran will be all alone, and they know it. I really think those damn Arabs should be the ones taking out Iran instead of us, it concerns them more that it does us.

If the Pedophile Arab regime prepares a preemptive strike, the Israelis will order a PRE-preemptive strike. The Iranians need to be dealt with NOW.....our president is not acting like a president.

Iranians are not Arabs. They're Persian. There's a difference.

If you don't know that, then your judgment about something as complex as acting presidential is equally suspect.

They all suck.

Israel has been crying imminent threat for years now. Let us not forget what happened the last time we had the wrong information and how many gave their lives as a result. Personally I prefer a president with a cool head and the hesitation to put our troops in harms way un necessarily. Now do those who think this is an immediate threat willing to put their sons and daughters in the front lines? Do they believe it that strongly? If so, lets do it and I will be more convinced.

lacywild

A strong military is what keeps this country free. The men in this country have never backed away from a fight when it comes to our freedom. When you beat the crap out of a bully, they learn to leave you alone.

Bull@!$%#. We havent been "bullied" in more than half a century nor has our freedom been threatened.

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Dark is the Light for American Dogs, Aggression is the Last Gloom - Al Qaeda

it is not a time to cut defense budget nor a time to disarm. There is a real danger of war even if we bury our heads in the sand. It very well could include conflicts with Russia. We however will protect our allies such as Israel make no mistake. Attacking a US base is suicide and stupid, Using a Nuke is also suicide and stupid. Iran has said it will target US bases, It has also said (multiple times) it will "wipe Israel off the map". People say Iran is not stupid well.. I disagree based on the official statements they have made in public and to the world. If Israel does not act it will be held hostage in the future by Iran thus starting a new arms race in the middle east. (worse place ever to have an arms race) Iran will not just launch Nuclear Missiles at Israel it will use its proxies. Iran will give its proxies the power to attack US bases and ships throughout the Middle east with Nuclear weapons. As Mitt and i think Obama have stated in the past a nuclear armed Iran is not an option. It is a direct threat to national security

What part of "we are broke" don't you military pukes understand? If SS and medicare need reformed, and no one wants to pay more in taxes to support anything the Pentagon needs reformed too!

I have to agree with something that CuongDNguyan said and something that lacywild said. Cuong mentioned the industrial war machine. It reminded me of the quote from General Dwight D. Eisenhower when he left the office of the President of the United States: "Beware the military industrial complex."

The thing that I agree with lacywild on is what she said about a strong military is what keeps this country free (#2.2). I agree with that whole post she gave.

So how could I agree with both lacywild and Cuong???? This: We need to keep a strong military! We also do NOT need to continue allowing ourselves and the world to be manipulated by what Eisenhower warned us about! This is ONE STICKY SITUATION we as a species are in at this juncture in history! And I'm really not sure what all can be done about it. I think that with this next election almost upon us, We the People need to consider the fact that both Dems and Repubs have gotten us where we are today--and going back a LONG TIME--into the 1950's at least. Both economically and also in terms of the precarious military situation the whole world is in. There are no easy answers at this point, I realize that. But the first step is in recognizing the manipulation from both sides when we see it.

l Cuong-Well if you feel so unsafe over here (USA) then maybe you should go back to Vietnam, I'm sure things are just great over there. They will probably take you back, unless you defected.

Obama thinks we can all be friends if he just apologizes. Of course the recent unrest in the Middle East proved that Obama knows nothing of foreign policy. WWIII is inevitable, and Islam is all about hatred and violence, and they will never change. The US with people like Obama are doing their best to appear concerned, while they do nothing to prevent it from happening. It is one of the most violent uncontrollable regions of the world, do you really think western nations wouldn't relish the opportunity to wipe it from the face of the earth? All Iran has to do is light the fuse, and the middle east will be destroyed for the good of the world.

Coral Taxi,

I am still winning our discussion. Most Americans TOO LAZY to do the Research.

*****************Newsvine "Get Smarter Here" NOT*******************

Opinions not Facts, Popularity not Substance, Emotions not Logic, Laziness not Research, Academics not Experience, Censorship not Freedom of Speech, Ignorance not Knowledge, Appearances not Results, etc..

Read the posts of: CuongDNguyen, Lisa C-5522681, Mike-416, Frank-512516, Linda-3523748, Terry-753375, george pauljohn, IRESPOND-2315268, Keith Brackett, Common Sense Ed et al.

And the worse part is that other Newsvine Posters proved their opinions WRONG, and still they repeatedly post the same nonsense, and people still vote for their non factual opinions.

@Seewhat I mean188

Reading comprehension much? Please point out where I said it.

English is my 3rd language and it seems I have a better grasp of it than you do.

The point I said about is, when the US have 2 chances of solving it so simple with diplomatic skills, they refused to do it. Otherwise, Vietnam would be almost similar to US and not communist today.

Then when they finally decide to do something, they go in gun blazing thinking military strength can solve it, then they failed and abandon a big chunk of people who helped them.

This happens again and again not just with Vietnam. It will happen again with all the "attack first, ask later" or those who think diplomatic are not necessary.

how are we gonna pay for another war?

*crickets*

Hello david475776--I'm wondering which of my opinions you believe is wrong. Could you be more specific? I do enjoy research, as time allows.

well as an alternative obama could done his qashqai, bow toward mecca and apologize for those evil Americans as his muslim buddies take turns sticking one up his ass as he pulls another muslim gang bang

Why did the New York Times have more Intelligence on the middle East Crisis than the Congressional Intelligence committee?

Why did International Reporters (Univision) ask more relevant questions than the US media?

Why is Obama skipping meetings at the UN (during this mideast unrest) and going on "The View"

Why did egomaniac Obama decide to Cancel His Speech at the UN?

Could it be he is too AFRAID to defend America on a world stage? Does he worry he might piss off The MUSLIM Brotherhood? Whose side is Obama on anyway?

Is Obama too Afraid to Tell the IRAN we stand with Israel?

Anyone who thinks that Iran wouldn't destroy America if had the ability to do so is just plain out of their mind, and Iran's ability to produce fissionable material is just the first step in their ultimate jihad.

beatlejuice~

no it isn't because he's smart

Love2troops

Is Obama too Afraid to Tell the IRAN we stand with Israel?

No we dont. I am not willing to put our troops lives on the line for another country - no matter if its Israel.

Any other time you cons want nothing to do with the UN - now all of a sudden you do?

Mike-416 - No we dont. I am not willing to put our troops lives on the line for another country - no matter if its Israel.

Do pay attention to what your god says:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57518495/campaign-2012-obama-vs-romney/?tag=contentMain;cbsCarousel

If you don't like reading then watch the videos.

If we gave them Montana, then they would shove all of us poor Americans into tightly controlled tracts of land, followed by surrounding us by walls. Then when the Arrian nation members in Idaho start to speak out, the Israelis will launch a preemptive strike on their coal power plants.

montana probably would be a good place.

been there, done that.,

LOL. The over 23 Million Illegal Aliens at the US already did that, ever heard of Walled Gated Communities.

Hablo Espanol, no then tough, you don't belong at the southern US.

Most of the Illegal Alien Advocacy Groups at the US have stated their intent of Overthrowing States to form Aztlan.

DON'T GIVE THEM MONTANA!!! too much good fly-fishing. give 'em america's weiner, aka Florida.

Obama WH sent AARP over 70 E-Mails collaborating on how to promote (dishonestly) Obama care AARP is TAX EXEMPT - WH broke the law.

Eric Holder sends Media Matters over 70 Emails collaborating on how to "go after enemies" Media Matters is TAX EXEMPT Holder broke the law

Obama Democrats you may buy into all this HATE/DiViSION the dishonest media will only get worse. As it stands now There are no less than 5 incidents of LAW BREAKING within the Obama Admins.

If we do not have an HONEST Media now Think how bad it will get! At least visit DRUDGE REPORT while your getting news. See hat stories the Obama Media Omit

To R Kirlan...........Iran acknowledges that WW 2 happened, they do not agree that the Jewish Holocaust happened.

To Love2troops..............Tax Exempt entities are prohibited from engaging in PARTISAN politics, meaning that they may not publicly support any candidate involving political parties. Tax Exempt entities are allowed to engage in support, or opposition, of legislative ISSUES, as long as no candidate is endorsed/opposed.

Thus, it is perfectly permitable for AARP to promote legislation, or to oppose legislation, which affects senior citizens.

CPO,

Don't bother the haters with facts. It just makes their heads hurt.

Mike & Cpo...

You both glossed right over the 70 E-Mails from the WH ~ Therein lies the LAW - yes they can support certain policies NO they can not get together with the DEMOCRAT WH and collaborate on tactics-stories-propaganda.

If GW Bush BROKE THE LAW & sent 70 E mails to The Heritage foundation PLANNING a strategy to basically be a commercial for his policies, you would be Howling

If Carl Rove BROKE THE LAW and sent 70 E-Mails to the Drudge Report stating Specifically what stories to run or not run depending on how it would reflect on

GW Bush again you 2 faced double standard Obama Dems would be howling.

You have no credibility ~ you worship at the Messiahs feet. Ethics/Laws/Decency/Honesty Be damned!

george pauljohn:

At least the media told us about Cheneys "secret" meetings, but odumbos I had to search for.

And I'm still waiting for to hear something about obamas interview with UniVision,which by the way didn't go so well for him.

I just want an adult with a clue as president.Someone who might actually have some meetings and twist some arms in congress to help move the congress along,every other president did this!Obama leaves it all to Harry Reid and he sucks at his job.

Love2troops, sometimes the laws need to be broken to tell the truth and to save America, when and if the Dems. do it they do it for love of country!!! When Retardicans do it, it is to limit freedoms and turn America into a totalitarian state. Anything done to defeate republicans is good for America, no questions asked!!! Anything to support conservatives is akin to treason!!! Or atleast it should be!!!

love2troops

Obama WH sent AARP over 70 E-Mails collaborating on how to promote (dishonestly) Obama care AARP is TAX EXEMPT - WH broke the law

OK, how about some documentation to back this garbage up. It all sounds like a straight copy and paste from the tp chain email which aren't known for being honest or truthful.

Love2troops

Mike...kudos to you. This is exactly correct...we put our children on the line for another country? People in this country have beed "programmed" to think we need to defend israel...and that israel does no wrong...but fail to recognize that israel has conducted many "false flag" attacks...even on the US. I dont support this at all...i do NOT stand with israel...as a matter of fact, if israel attacks iran...i hope iran counters and shuts israel up for good! I am not saying iran is a "model" for a civilized country....but then again, with all of our illegal wars...niether are we! If israel attacks....they deserve what it coming. Many of israeli citizens do NOT want to go to war with iran...many israeli citizens are friendly with iranian citizen. As for Americans....many dont want war....especially israels war....many do NOT stand with israel...and niether do i....does that make me an anti-semite??? ignorant fools would think so, but NO, it makes me aware of the bullcrap that is going on!

RKirklan--it's the Holocaust that Amidadwhatshisface denies, not WW2.....

the truth of the matter is that WWIII will come and the news media are lying to us! They are part of the Govenment conspiracy

for one world government and religion, Antichrist will come!

The ONLY" hope is to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, I did NOT say "RELIGION!"

have a good day.

Frank-512516 - it is to limit freedoms and turn America into a totalitarian state.

PATHETIC Frank-512516, you are WORSE than the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists, you will defend President Obama Wrong or Right to your Death.

President Obama January 21, 2009 Patriot Acts (Plural US Laws) Eliminated All US Citizens Constitutional Rights. Shown on January 22, 2009 During a Staged News Media Event signing his Patriot Acts 04:38 minutes of 11:55 minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLSeD19m3UE

To close a loop hole President Obama signs into US Law his 2012 NDAA, US Military Indefinite Detentions of US Citizens.

Obama Signs NDAA, ACLU Disgusted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IeuE16LLDY

mqira - Mike...kudos to you. This is exactly correct...we put our children on the line for another country?

Do pay attention to what your god says:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57518495/campaign-2012-obama-vs-romney/?tag=contentMain;cbsCarousel

If you don't like reading then watch the videos.

Coral Taxi,

I am still winning our discussion. Most Americans TOO LAZY to do the Research and even TOO LAZY to even listen to the Interview to the person they are attempting to defend.

*****************Newsvine "Get Smarter Here" NOT*******************

Opinions not Facts, Popularity not Substance, Emotions not Logic, Laziness not Research, Academics not Experience, Censorship not Freedom of Speech, Ignorance not Knowledge, Appearances not Results, etc..

ever since Fox News did away with their comments section, NBCNews comments section has devolved into a junior high hissy fit. some people need to get a grip.

I'm just curious. Does that " WE " include " YOU " . Are you willing to put your A$$ on the line ? Only two types of people who want war, those who have never been in one and those who know they will never have to fight in one.

Yes, I would be willing to put my a## on the line. But, please tell me where in my post did I say I wanted war. I have lost family members to war, why on earth would I want to repeat that experience. Whether any of us want war or not, someday it will come. The problem is that it may come sooner than later because of the nutcases in Iran.

JonCar

It sounds like you support the 1%. The 1% that will go to war are the volunteer military members now. Since 1973, it has been voluntary and I was one from 1969-1993. Served in 2 wars and a few conflicts, however, I never volunteered for war, nor did I want it. However, I knew my responsibilities because I love and believe in the USA and put myself on the line. If our nation is/was at war, then you can bet that the 1% I speak of will do the same and get involved.

Which percent are you?

Defensor Fortis

Obama & Hillary spend $70,000 Tax$ to basically say "Sorry" we have free speech in America

Why has Obama bent over backwards to reassure the MUSLIMS, yet as I type he has not had the guts to reassure his own Country. (I think its his country)

Why did Obama & the media condemn Mitt b4 they even mentioned our slaughtered Ambassador & the 3 Marines?

C'mon Obama Democrats that has to make your blood run cold.......doesn't it?

Who is Obama trying to reach out to? Certainly not the American ppl. Nope Obama went on Univision 1st.

jack from Jax,

It is ALWAYS the 92% of US Citizens that have NEVER Served that say "Wee":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saIXzCoGHbU

Lacy,

You seem to forget that the US is the bully now. We have been since 1945 and the rest of the world is tired of it.

Ron Paul had the right ideas,pull out and leave it to the countrys there to get along.Close bases overseas and but out.Our country is broke anyhow.

Love: "ballots to the Soldiers".... You really did not expect them to be delivered? Even with over a month left we can't get them there? Oh, I recall -- we don't know where are soldiers are. Isn't the Commander-in-Chief, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Generals supposed to know where our troops are located? This is not unlike the stuffing of ballot boxes, with illegal and ineligible votes, or using taxpayer money to buy votes from the poor. It is just another example of Obama using his executive power to try to rig the election.

If an absentee ballot was sent to a soldier's mother or father, today, the ballot would most likely get delivered to the soldier in plenty of time for the election. If Mom and Dad knows where their kid is I would think the Department of the Army, with it's computers would know instantly what Regiment, and what unit the soldier is with and where that Regiment and unit is presently located. I am so sick of the Obama administration's, lies, ethical violations, defiance and obstruction of the Constitution, etc., that I could puke.

This is a matter for a Congressional Inquiry and a Freedom of Information Request, but forget the Request. Remember "executive privilege" (Putin has that too.)

If anyone should vote its the military.

ron17571 - If anyone should vote its the military.

From experience, you vote you may as well as tender your Letter of Resignation. Absentee Ballots are NOT anonymous, and become a Public Record accessible by US Congress.

I have seen many US Military doing the Duffle Bag drag after a US Political Regime Change. Their US Military Career abruptly ended, especially the junior US Military Officers that don't know, and we cannot tell them (undue influence).

Gil-2872519 - praying for US covert support?

Good you do that. If you knew what the Ayatollahs of Iran have established as their Military, you would know that is highly unlikely, especially as US Military Asymmetric Warfare attached to the CIA's SAD/SOG. How many US Military do you think know Farsi. And do not even tell us to use Iranian Translators, the Brits attempted that and the Iranian Translators/Guides turned their dumb Brit arses in. If you attempt to use any Iranian that has family or relatives at Iran you are just asking to get caught.

The thing is, Iran's leadership is gambling on the fact that if Israel attacks Iran first, we as their most important allies have to jump in to save them (after all, the Republicans say that backing Israel comes first over all else, right?). The second thing is that the geography of the region means more US casualties (since they appear to be threatening to strike US Bases as well), which means a provocation by Iran to get revenge.

I just hope Israel doesn't attack before the election is over, else Obama may be forced into a "Damned if you do damned if you don't" situation where either option forces him to lose the election.

That said, an interesting thought occurred to me, but I'm probably wrong (and hope to God I am): is it possible this whole scheme could've been set up by some war-hungry extremist on our end to sell out this country?

It's not possible. There's no way one of our own would set up an elaborate scheme to get us all killed before this year's over.

I seriously need to whack myself on the head a couple of times with a nice large sledgehammer.

I see Obama starting a war before the election,the resulting oil prices well destroy what is left of our economy and the resulting riots well make martial law and suspending of elections possible.Our president wants the destruction of our country,either that or his actions are that of an idiot.

Israel attacks Iran, with our open support, on November 7, 2012. The Iranians will be forever denied future access to the Strait of Hormuz.

Once again the 92% of US Citizens that are NOT currently Serving in the US Military are coming up with the most nonsense.

Iran 2009 to 2012 Strait of Hormuz

http://david393071.newsvine.com/_news/2012/01/03/9928679-iran-2009-to-2012-strait-of-hormuz

Peggy The Frustrated,

You need to read President Obama's Book, Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance

And not the cliff notes version or someone else's interpretations.

As to what President Obama's Vision of the US is.

Many more war toys in the region now. With many more enemies. This will be VERY ugly. It is very likely to make WWIII. With today's economy the world's (would be leaders) will see it as the answer to their problems.

Orlando: your statistics may be correct, but nevertheless, they are irrelevant because the situation today is vastly different.

For starters, Israel has never fought a war with Iran (although the Jewish state has fought with Iran's proxy Hezbollah). Secondly, according Dr Kissinger "Israel has never fought a war without US backing". What if the American people are sick and tired of losing so many American lives due to Middle Eastern involvement.

What we see unfolding today between Iran and Israel is a completely different scenario to any previous Arab-Israeli conflict. I truly wish for a permament and just solution to this madness.

And Lebanon..don't forget Lebanon Orlando. Israel also fought Egypt, Jordan and Syria at the same time in 73' too...they won that one as well.

Don't f**k with them!!!

Those who believe Iran is not trying to build WMD are the same bunch who

L I E D to the American ppl about the PREVENTIABLE MURDER of Americans overseas.

Susan Rice = Baghdad Bob and if BHO wins She is at the top of the list for Sec State.

Obama can not meet with World Leaders in the UN next week HE has to appear on the "VIEW" ROCK STAR Obama is too "cool" to take questions Too "cool" to meet with Mid East Leaders......BHO is just way toooooooooo COOL to be bothered. MSM will hide him. He knows it

Peggy The Frustrated - I ate, slept, and dealed with death 24/7 for 15 yrs part of my service. It stays with you even when you are on leave, time off. I retired in 1994 and it still lives within me 24/7. USAF, RETIRED

LOL. I have heard that BULLSH!T so much from all the REMUs.

You darn sure were NOT a USAF STT like those routinely attached to us.

The only death you lived with 24/7 is getting sick from the food in the Dining Facility.

You sound just like the USN on ships or boats getting their participation medals for launching cruise missiles during their love boat cruises. Unlike the other USN that are routinely attached to us including the USN Corpsmen.

DON'T FORGET THE KURDS.

They are intensely pro-american.They are in a military alliance with Israel.They have excellent,long standing relations with Israel.They've built democratic institutions in Northern Iraq,a booming economy and are tolerant of other faiths.The Kurds destroy every stereoptype about muslims,proving that it's the extremists who are the heretics.

Not one US soldier was killed in Kurdish Iraq.That's because - man for man - the Kurds the best fighting in the mid east outside of Israel - The Pesh Merga --- 200,000 on active duty another 200,000 in reserves.Over the last several years they have been receiving heavier weapons and training from the US and Israel.

They're almost finished building an airport capable of handling the largest military aircraft.

And they've been at war with Iran for decades.

The Kurds are not looking to get dragged into a regional war.They've won some painfully hard earned independence in N. Iraq and don't want to lose it.But they continue to strengthen ties with the US and Israel as well as their military.So,if they are dragged in,they're ready to play a role.With Syria falling apart such a war might offer the Kurds the opportunity to take back Kurdish Syria,in the very north.That would give the Kurds the one thing they must have to declare independence and create a state - access to the Aegean Sea.But should that come to pass a new nation of 35 million pro american,historically democratic,tolerant and economically progressive muslims would be born.And they would be an ally of Israel.

Now wouldn't THAT be a change???

Yep, according to Iran. But then they still live in caves so they may not know much about WWI and WWII.

The best thing Iran could have done was ....remain silent.

No.. What was said:

"We cannot imagine the Zionist regime starting a war without America's support. Therefore, in case of a war, we will get into a war with both of them and we will certainly get into a conflict with American bases," he said.

U.S. facilities in Bahrain, Qatar and Afghanistan would be targeted, he added.

"There will be no neutral country in the region," Hajizadeh was quoted as saying. "To us, these bases are equal to U.S. soil."

They're playing chicken with the U.S. knowing Obama will blink.

That's what I thought too, onebadb. It makes the most sense, but then that begs the question: why now of all times? So close to election day....

I smell a rat....

Peggy The Frustrated - Pakistan hates Iran.

Shows how much you don't know.

December 21 2012??

Who knows.. Why would a silly video provoke all the stupid stuff in the Middle East?

I'm a Christian and when Christ is demonized I don't go burning flags of other countries..

North Korea wouldnt support that. How would N.K. troops even get to Iran? They can barely feed the people who are not in the military. N.K. troops wouldnt make it out of harbor.

North Korea would have no interest in helping Iran. To be perfectly honest, North Korea seems to be trying to better it's image. Helping Iran would do nothing but hinder that.

so true...

Ripklawe - North Korea would have no interest in helping Iran.

Go research the Technology Trade Agreements between the North Koreans and the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran.

LIVE FREE....or DIE

Well perhaps the US should send all "fighting age" citizens a "Do you hate Iran and want it wiped off the map?" letter!

Check here: for YES, I hate Iran - Check here: for NO, I do not want a war with Iran

Please return in postage paid envelope...."

Next - all of you who want to murder, kill, have another war - you can, you WILL fight it, you are automatically drafted.

If the war-monger in you doesn't like that option (you fighting against Iran) - then I suggest, you stop speaking through your foot, put your life where your mouth is!

Have no fear - those of us who do not want a war, will conduct everyday as business as usual -

I'll even help - send me a zip code - I'll send you each branch's recruiting station in your area!

Sir Vival,

To figure out a viable solution you have to know how most of the mess started (not some ignorant political sound bite or emotive non factual opinion).

Do you know how to create a Causative Timeline.

Black Kettle & Sand Creek...lest we forget,

LOL. President Obama as Commander In Chief Ordered Reduction In Forces of 90,000 US Military Personnel and the layoffs of 108,000 US Civilians employed by the US Military.

So if sh!t breaks out with the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, President Obama will do as he promised (Verbal Contract) to force the 92% of US Citizens that have Never Served to do their "Civic Duty" by instituting the Selective Service and or Mandatory Compulsory Service; that was his solution to stop the 1% of the US Citizens of the US Military from repeated Deployments and Long Tours, as "US Military Service is a Civic Duty" and "US Citizenship is not an Entitlement". I was laughing my arse off at the expression of McPain.

And most of us will be at the VFW laughing at you after you get your Selective Service Card.

You can laugh at me all you want - last I heard, you need two legs to join the military...I think 4'10.5" actually qualifies as a disability too, there is the high blood pressure problem, the chemo....the age limit

I may not be having the time of my life - but I won't be getting a card...don't you have to be a citizen too? I am, but I can flip over to hubby's country in a heartbeat.

I hope you are not correct (I know your facts are)... I just mean that I hope that no one but those who WANT to fight - have to fight...and even then...I hope there is no war, period!

Black Kettle & Sand Creek...lest we forget - You can laugh at me all you want - last I heard, you need two legs to join the military

Not really, I had one person with a fiberglass spring thing instead of a leg.

Black Kettle & Sand Creek...lest we forget -...I think 4'10.5" actually qualifies as a disability too,

Not really, only for Aviators.

Black Kettle & Sand Creek...lest we forget - there is the high blood pressure problem,

Nope. My younger sister.

Black Kettle & Sand Creek...lest we forget - the chemo

Depends on side effects.

Black Kettle & Sand Creek...lest we forget - the age limit

When my people say "The Old Man", they are not kidding.

The oldest person currently on Active Duty is about 70 years old.

From what I do know, if a War with the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran does occur too many people Underestimated the Enemy. We already know who's side the over 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers Worldwide (most being Fundamentalist Islam) are going to be on; we also heard what the Chinese and Russian Federation Military Leadership has stated (and their Politicial Leadership verified) as well as their current activities to secure their gains of the US And US Allies Losses Worldwide, did I mention the deals Iran made with South America.

I would I agree with you. Just let me get daughter out of Isreal first.

we do not need a muslim asskisser either

Persians are the original master race. They believe they are the good and we are the evil in the bible. If they attack I just hope the eye of god is ready and we use it to destroy them.

RedBlue560clk - We do not need another cowboy attitude in the White House. That is what got us into Iraq when our fight is with Al-Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden.

Another one that does not know squat about why we went into Northern Iraq after we went into Afghanistan October 2011: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arxKhJIjIiY

How about this instead of Political Sound Bites; go research Ansar Al Islam. Sargat Iraq. President Clinton's US Law, H.R.4655 (pay special attention to Section 2 and Section 3) that became US Military Operation Iraqis Freedom

gwarth2.. leave mythology outside of politic

De2Or2010,

Your Ignorance is ignorance; no right to believe anything can be derived from it. - Sigmund Freud

Forward to Ur anus, March.

De2Or2010 - NO MORE WARS! NO MORE WARS! NO MORE WARS!

Tell that to President Obama about his Secret Wars (not Iraq nor Afghanistan) funded by not previously Budgeted for Discretionary Spending.