You ignore the fact that President Obama has set records every year he's been in office for the number illegals deported. Bush created this problem. Obama is fixing it.

sorry -- see my post above. Obama just changed the accounting method and the American public bought it. If an illegal gets turned away at the border, that NOW counts as a deportation, whereas it didn't before. And if they walk up to the border again, that is counted as ANOTHER deportation.

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Nice trick......

You're right Bob, he has set records when you count these as quoted in post #1.

"Obama admin now counts turning away illegals at the border as deportations and this accounting change allows them to claim they have increased the number"

The sooner we get rid of this gun grabbing, wetback loving, ederly hating, welfare bum supporting, muslim traitor, and all his tsars, (Clinton, Pelosi, Holder, etc.) the better off we will be!

BTW, I was hardcore Democrat for 40 years until Obummer came along. I converted in the first year of his administration.

Since OBAMA has allowed Latin America to circumvent US immigration policies, the greatest percentage of illegals in the US are Mexican and over 90% of the total come from Latin America. But lets not profile Latinos because that would show how racist Americans are.

Just how many illegals have been arrested and deported back to Mexico or turned over to US Immigration by Mexican Consulates throughout the US?

NONE!

Mexico feels no obligation to help the American people round up these criminals, but they are the first to yell and scream when they feel their people are being "profiled" as illegals.

wire557 - you are correct and thank you for your post.

Nice to see all the Republicscum losers are out in full force. So desperate. You might as well get used to Obama, he'll be here 4 more years. Don't like it, just leave. We don't need you.

Ohio BOOB

I think you and your kind should be the ones to leave...mexico perhaps?

And the cartels had so much respect for us before Obama? You channel visioned pin heads are going to be the death of this country, not them.

Mensoeeno, I don't know if you stuck in the 70's or 80' , sir for your information the year is 2012 and all the jobs went to CHINA long time ago, Due to corporate greed, NOT south of the border!!!

Dial#2 for Spanish and DREAM ACT for all the illegals illegitimates over the bodies of our DEAD US MILITARY...seats donated theirs to the illegals illegitimates!
Hilda Solize Dept of Labor card carrying member of The Race what would refer to themselves as the race?
And have a USA non profit to continue rewarding illegals and donating what they have stolen from us and ours...
EVIL vs One Nation Under GOD...
Moratoruim on immigration illegal and legal until we can stop being shoved over a cliff
And NO WELFARE after two illegitimates
And No TAX DEDUCATIONS after two..
Time to stop rewarding Heathen breeders via sperm donor exponentials from womb to tomb like the Octopsycho and her sperm donor Iraq semen cliinc...along with the Duggars psychos too...think that is alll there is to life: all while Planet Earth is supposed to be sucked dry for their own selfish, arrogant, psychotic, obsessions, oh kate n John cant get enough attention the heck with their sperm donor exponentials; Michael Jackson look at what his own father did...and the mother didn't see or do anything! What examples of profiteering upon the demise of your own childrens childhood never can be made up...

PS wrong...El Paso is manufacturing completely and where all the MExican female workers disappeared and were found without their body parts... yes factories are still there...and other locations:visit then talk!

so true......the thousands of police, lawyers, bails bondsmen and judges don't want the current system changed....they're making money of the drugs and crime. They don't care about the misery it causes.

And all that "saved money" will then be spent on rehab clinics to repair the lives of all those new and now legal drug victims.

Boy, what an idea!

Do you really think that these violent gangs will just go away and there will magically be no violence and crime if we legalize drugs...Please

Drugs destroy not only the lives of the addicted but the lives of everyone in their families that are victims of the drug users behaviors, From stealing money and jewelry from their parents and brothers and sisters to feed their habits to murdering their own family members, When they use up what they can steal from their own families they move on to stealing,robbing and even murdering other innocent people just so they can feed their habits.

Prohibition ended and the Mafia was stronger than ever.

Legalizing drugs is just an attempt at removing the responsibility for fighting evil from the hands of American politicians.

No offense Jeffery but do you see the contradiction there?

Prohibition ended and the Mafia was stronger than ever.

Yes and it made it much easier for organized crime to prosper, They no longer had to worry about violating federal customs laws by smuggling alcohol across the Canadian and Mexico border or thru US ports, Instead all thy had to do was go out and Hijack legal shipments of alcohol that were already within the US borders, They did not even have to pay up any front money because instead of buying it and smuggling it they now just stole it.

Do you really think that these violent gangs will just go away and there will magically be no violence and crime if we legalize drugs..........YES, a lot of this violence WILL end

Besides the BILLIONS of dollars in taxes and revenue AND all the jobs!!!

What are the local street gangs going to do for money once illegal drugs become legal?

Are they going to go back to school to get their elementary grade diplomas?

Or are they going to start charging the average citizen protection money like the immigrants of the early 20th Century?

All of you are all idiots. Every one thinks that they are better than the other. I served my country, and love it just as much as any other that has done the same. The real killers of our future is oursekves. All are so bent on hating the other that we will always have wars, killing,death unjust, etc. No matter how you try to stop one injustice it raises another. You can hate Mexicans, Jews, blacks, and whom ever you chose. Look at your hate and that is what causes all injustice. Whites, if you look at yourself you think all others are less than you.Can you say Hitlerism? Blacks if you consider yourself "African before American" than why are you here. Mexicans the same for you. This goes out to all others that consider themselves something other than American first!!! I am a mix of races so I Consider myself American. Born, Raised, Bled for, and will most definatly die for MY country. I do not say we are a better country, but we are what we have made ourselves. We the people are what give power to the ones we love to hate. So go climb in you little lives that you think are so perfect, and deal with the reallity of "OUR" world.

uh menoseeno

And all that "saved money" will then be spent on rehab clinics to repair the lives of all those new and now legal drug victims

um right now thats already happening no matter what and guess who pays for it?

also its hard to make a profit of of legal items

and when one goes to jail for pot use they learn a whole new bag of tricks in prison

the mafia keeps going strong because the mafia is deversified on their illegal gotengain, they dont rely on 1 product to sell

every counter you came up with has little value of the true nature of street crime

one thing for sure when legalized where would you think one would purchase it, a criminal?

not

this is why we need to legalize it so criminals cant sell the crap thus eliminating one product from them, and of course the criminal will look to obtain other ways of getting cash because a criminal is a criminal, but selling weed wont be one of them

KEITH BIODROWSKI-1213062:

Since pot is the gateway to all other drugs, legalizing it makes the other drugs seem less harmful.

Pot is only one of the many drugs being brought into the US.

The government will never be able to control the use of pot because they can't control the border as it is. Mexico's pot will always be cheaper to get and since you've just legalized it, it will be flying across the border with no one being able to stop it.

Are you going to buy the legalized, heavily taxed American grown pot or the cheap Mexican drug cartel stuff?

It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

Cartel Ragweed just isn't as good as the stuff we grow in the US. That's not going to change when the good stuff is legal. If pot is legalized and the hard stuff stays illegal, there is no way the Cartels will be able to replace the tens of millions of pot smokers they lose, with new customers for hard drugs. The market for hard drugs is already saturated, hard drugs are cheaper than they've ever been. The only thing they will accomplish by turning out more meth and coke, will be to further drive down the price of meth and coke. There are about 800,000 hard drug users in the US, if I recall correctly, but the important thing is that the number of hard drug users has remained the same for decades. It won't go up when pot is legalized.

Legalizing pot will, when it happens, starve the cartels of the major source of their payroll. 70 billion dollars worth a year. They'll be struggling to keep the thugs they have on payroll already, let alone recruiting new thugs for a thousand bucks a week. The need to fight over smuggling routes for millions of tons of bulky pot, will disappear at the same time, so violence will decline after the initial bloodbath when the top dogs decide to sacrifice a bunch of goons, because they can't pay them anyway.

They'll find it not worth the effort to smuggle it in and sell cheaper than what you can get from the dispensary, because most people won't bother even looking for a black market connection for dirtweed, they'll just go to the dispensary and get a choice of good strains. When it's legal to grow and sell the pot we grow in the US, the only way to make money off of what Mexican farmers grow will be to build a rope factory.

I consider decriminalizing hard drugs to be a separate conversation from legalizing pot. Pot is just as different from hard drugs as it is from alcohol. Those of you who advocate doing both should be patient. It's more realistic to support legalizing pot as a good start, and go from there. Trying to piggy back all drugs on the legalization of pot will just slow the legalization of pot. I for one, need more convincing, I think people who use meth need to be separated from civilized society.

While i agree..People here in America have no balls to do anything about it.Except to b1tch and whine and crawl back under their rock..But yet life goes on Yes?

vote romney....he said he'll seal the border

Romney has never denied his Mexican relatives involvement in the drug trade!

Why can't we see his 10yr taxes... What is he covering up... what are those "Foreign Investments"?

Oh please Kimb tell us all that you know about Mitts drug trade. I'm waiting with open eyes and ears, otherwise go back to class.

sweaver209

Romney was worried that the oligarchs might be tied to "illegal drug money, right-wing death squads, or left-wing terrorism,"

For your OPEN eyes...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/08/mitt-romney-death-squads-bain_n_1710133.html

Hey Idiot, its not a farce when innocent people are getting killed.

huffington post, please that's not a news worthy web site! Their so left it's rediculas.

dobi-1146228

resorting to name calling is nothing more then a sound coming from an empty well.

sweaver209

You asked... but chose to goosestep forward with eyes CLOSED.

Their try (There)

rediculas try (ridiculous)... =otherwise go back to class. (your words)

Could be. I actually saw someone yesterday put a sign in their lawn saying "Joe Biden" without laughing!

The people of this Country want socialism and austerity. Well, I say elect Obama and give it to them. The wealthy will get wealthier and the middle class will protest in the streets when their welfare check doesn't keep up with rampant inflation. Sound familiar? It should.

NNH - But, but , but capitalism keeps me in business. I'm a small one man operation and it's the millionaires and they're employees that keep my doors open. Can i come and live with you when they shut my doors in Nobama's next four? Just wanting to know how much you understand the economics of business. Your the one that said down with capitalism, please explain. And in detail because you a have whole bunch of folks out here wanting to how your going to be getting along with out supermarkets, car dealers, and the like that capitaism, provideds. Your on the stump dude. I'd advise a vote for Mitt just to keep the lights on in this country, because Nobama doesn't have a clue.

10 signs ytou've beeen kidnappped and propagandized at a secret REpublican "dark "site in Romania 1.) YOu have a strong reaction about things which do not even touch you personallly. 2.) regardlesss of the topic you find a way to bring it back to your own obsessive interest.3.) It's been a reallly long time since you changed your opinion (this is because no new information is permittted past the threshold. 4.) THe people you hang out with always agreee with you (even if they roll their eyes every time you start up. 5.) You find yourself strongly supporting things that, should they be enacted would actuallly have a negative impact on you.6.) something that seems of vital importance on one day will be totallly forgottten on the next. 7.) Your mind focusses on negative events that have not and , in many cases, willl not happpen.8. You feeel that you are the subjecdt of manipulation by people who are in opposition to your real programmmers.9.) Nothing ever reallly just "happpens" – whether it be an act of nature, a scientific discovery or whatever, it always occcurs because of unseeen sinister forces. 10.) Nothing exists at the midddle of any spectrum everything is always, "The worst ever" "bigggest traitor" etc.

gm is building a plant in Mexico, even though they still owe the taxpayers billions ......WE ARE SUBSIDISING MEXICO

You got that right!!

Not a single Mexican has snaked into Afghanistan since the US troops were there.

Bush sent the troops to Afghanistan genius. Obama is bringing them home.

Why dont you ask Mitt about his birth place in Mexico and how his family down there is fighting these drug gangs? Oh, you didnt know mittens was born in mexico to a mexican father? interesting.

please refer to the ten signs you've beeen propagandized. they're posted above.

Gov. Brewer can't even control the 100's of drop houses in Phoenix. She needs to secure Phoenix before she attempts to secure the nations borders.

....and not all Germans were Nazis but Germany had to be bombed to ashes to prevent evil from spreading.

Try paying attention to what you read. I have nothing against anyone coming to this country to make a better life for themseleves. That includes Mexican, Chinese, French, German, Etc. The ones I despise are the illegal border crossers,(WETBACKS)! I was once engaged to a Durango Indian from Monterrey Mexico who spoke very little English. I had the utmost respect for her and her family. All hard workers, all paid their taxes, all either spoke English or were enrolled in English classes, And all were here LEGALLY. Before you call me racist, you should look at yourself. The most racist are the ones who scream racism first and loudest. BTW, the only reason Rosa and I weren't married is she was killed in a car wreck thanks to a DRUNK ILLEGAL WETBACK driver!

I HAVE looked at myself and the LAST thing I would ever say about another human being(illegal immigrants, other races and/or ethnicitities) is something as blatantly derogatory and demeaning as the terms that you have chosen to use. Each and every race/ethnicity has their fair share of bad apples. And those who do cross over to commit crimes and mooch off of our government are our bad apples. But there ARE some that cross over to better their lives. Not only for themselves but for their loved ones. My grandparents were THOSE people. They came into this country with their two children, acquired dual citizenships for all four, encouraged them to continue studying and were proud to see each of them finish high school, college, AND grad school. THAT is why I resent the "wetback" reference.

And I'm sorry to hear about Rosa's untimely demise which was caused by an illegal immigrant. Maybe that's the reason why you have so much resentment for these people but my point is that they are not all bad. It's just that the bad ones are the only ones that are reported on and covered by the media.

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You all have such THIN skin from all this PC nonsense. My great-grandparents have, on their immigration papers, "Wet Back" as mode of transport. They were Hungarian circus performers - that came to the US under guard to perform for their "circus". When the boat was leaving, they JUMPED SHIP and SWAM to Ellis Island. They EMIGRATED properly, going through the quarantine period of all WOPS (Without papers). They set up a green grocer cart in NYC and lived there the rest of their lives. Wetback - get over it. They CROSSED A RIVER to get here, mostly swimming - ergo WET BACKED.

The use of "wetback" means an illegal alien. Even the presidents of Mexico have referred to Mexican illegals as wetbacks because they worked for less money than the Mexican governments braceros who were contracted to work in the US for an already negotiated wage. The wetbacks were ruining that deal.

Obammy, Obama, life goes on....!

You just don't get it. He as President of Mexico has the power to totally stop it and that would mean extreme measures such as having hunter killer units just take out all cartels. It might seem extreme to you and others but if the ground rules are set others will think twice before taking over the rains of previous cartels. This would work but to many are on the take. You have to be extreme in this case and if it means no trial and a bullet to the head of the gangs and cartels so be it. I've spent a number of years in Navy Special Forces and have seen it all and this would work. Barbaric to some but progress to others.

You have no idea how it works.

With your logic the president of the US can kill all gang and drug members if he wanted to.

The U.S. itself can't even kill all the Al Qaeda members, with all it's resources.

The President of Mexico has already deployed the Army, Marina, and everything it has. It's not as easy as you think it is.

you should read a book called "el Narco", it is the Mexicans not the Colombians running things, here, Africa, Europe all over

You must be talking about Romney too. Yes all politicians lie, cheat and steal.

Y

rockymountain123

Obama has the power to solve problems. Obama has the power to put troops on the US/Mexican border.

Romney won't have that power until January, 2013 when he replaces that pretender who claims to be our President, but demonstrates at best, he's nothing but a political whore.

There are troops on the border. 1500 national guard troops plus surveillance drones equipped with surveillance imaging that covers 4 square miles and can see through certain types of building materials as well.

you should just take your head out of your A$$ and think, maybe read a little bit might help too. Nixon had a program called "Condor", checking everything coming accross the border and businesses howled in protest. That was in the 70s, can you imagine what it would do now. You think any president wants illegals, no the meat cutting plants did, construction, agriculture etc. The American Chamber of Commerece was against the Arizona law. If we charged businesses importing products from mexico to the US the cost the american taxpayer is paying to maintain semi control of the border those factories would be moving back to the US. Do you have any idea the amount of money private prisons now make, and the Drug War just keeps sending them more products eg people. This joker they just caught, of course the Mexican govt. is trying to help the Sinola cartel to be the most dominant then there is less violence. Legalize it and charge people using the border for the cost of security, it is not a tariff it is a use cost. I work all over the world including Mexico, I was just in Brazil. Nafta hasn't worked well for the American people and the Mexican people, Brazil is doing 10 times better than Mexico without a Nafta type agreement. Both countries have significant natural resources but it is like night and day.

Amanda

OH so that's why millions in drugs and the human trafficking continues to breach our borders. 1500 National guards patrolling what is it, 1200 miles of border?

Do you have any idea how large 4 square miles is? Do you have any idea how barren of human activity that 4 square miles is that people can hide in.

Do you have any idea how hard it is for the Border patrol and the National guard have to watch that vast area?

I don't think so or wouldn't have suggest that 1500 National Guard troops is enough.

rockymountain123

You must be talking about Romney too. Yes all politicians lie, cheat and steal.

The only time OBAMA lies is when his lips move.

The Mexican Marines are being trained by US military advisors. They are better educated, better paid, and as such have fewer reasons to be corrupted by the cartels:

When a young corporal in the Mexican marines was ambushed by drug cartel gunmen in the state of Tamaulipas, his first thoughts were for his pregnant wife and unborn child.

But within a split second, he was focused on combat, as his unit took defensive positions around their convoy to return fire.

They managed to shoot dead four attackers while only suffering two injuries.

The victory — one of many by Mexico's marines — was helped largely by U.S.-supplied equipment and training with the U.S. Northern Command in Colorado.

"We have learned from American officers who have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan," said the corporal, who asked that his name not be used as he is not authorized to speak to the media.

"The Americans suffer from similar types of ambushes in their wars, and have learned how to respond to them in a tight, disciplined way. We apply those techniques to our fight here."

Extensive training of the Mexican marines is one of several ways in which the U.S. military machine has quietly escalated its role in Mexico's ultraviolent drug war in the past two years.

The U.S. has also supplied Mexico with state-of-the-art military hardware, including Black Hawk helicopters and surveillance drones.

Furthermore, CIA operatives and American military contractors were recently posted at a Mexican military base to advise directly on operations, according to The New York Times.

The question of U.S. military involvement in Mexico came into the national spotlight this week after Republican presidential hopeful Rick Perry contemplated American troops shooting it out with cartel hit squads.

"It may require our military in Mexico working in concert with them to kill these drug cartels and keep them off our border," Perry said.

The U.S.-trained marines have become the most efficient force in the Mexican military. Directed by Mexico's Navy Department, the marines have been increasingly favored by U.S. officials over the past two years.

In one diplomatic cable uncovered by WikiLeaks, former Ambassador Carlos Pascual praised the marines for their "emerging role as a key player in the counternarcotics fight."

Following training with the U.S. Northern Command, the marines have shot dead several major cartel bosses, including Arturo Beltran Leyva, alias "The Beard," and Ezequiel "Tony Tormenta" Cardenas.

On Wednesday, the marines took charge of a security operation in the port of Veracruz, where thugs dumped 35 corpses on a road during rush hour in September.

The Mexican marines are helped by the fact that most have a higher level of education than those in the Mexican army or federal police, the marine corporal said.

"We are considered to be the yuppies in the Mexican military," he said. "Me and most of my colleagues have university degrees. A lot of regular soldiers come from poor villages and left school when they were 16."

The Mexican marines are also considered much less corrupt than their counterparts, because they traditionally have been uninvolved in the drug war — and have had less contact with the tempting offers of billionaire traffickers.

Thanks for the info,I was just making the observation that it always seems that all the big arrests (and shoot outs) are done by the Mexican navy.
The Army and federal police forces are conspicous by their absence.

Great info, Amanda-2017567. Thank you!

Amanda-2017567

The Mexican Marines are being trained by US military advisors. They are better educated, better paid, and as such have fewer reasons to be corrupted by the cartels:

When a young corporal in the Mexican marines was ambushed by drug cartel gunmen in the state of Tamaulipas, his first thoughts were for his pregnant wife and unborn child.

But within a split second, he was focused on combat, as his unit took defensive positions around their convoy to return fire.

They managed to shoot dead four attackers while only suffering two injuries.

The victory — one of many by Mexico's marines — was helped largely by U.S.-supplied equipment and training with the U.S. Northern Command in Colorado.

"We have learned from American officers who have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan," said the corporal, who asked that his name not be used as he is not authorized to speak to the media.

"The Americans suffer from similar types of ambushes in their wars, and have learned how to respond to them in a tight, disciplined way. We apply those techniques to our fight here."

Extensive training of the Mexican marines is one of several ways in which the U.S. military machine has quietly escalated its role in Mexico's ultraviolent drug war in the past two years.

The U.S. has also supplied Mexico with state-of-the-art military hardware, including Black Hawk helicopters and surveillance drones.

Furthermore, CIA operatives and American military contractors were recently posted at a Mexican military base to advise directly on operations, according to The New York Times.

The question of U.S. military involvement in Mexico came into the national spotlight this week after Republican presidential hopeful Rick Perry contemplated American troops shooting it out with cartel hit squads.

"It may require our military in Mexico working in concert with them to kill these drug cartels and keep them off our border," Perry said.

The U.S.-trained marines have become the most efficient force in the Mexican military. Directed by Mexico's Navy Department, the marines have been increasingly favored by U.S. officials over the past two years.

In one diplomatic cable uncovered by WikiLeaks, former Ambassador Carlos Pascual praised the marines for their "emerging role as a key player in the counternarcotics fight."

Following training with the U.S. Northern Command, the marines have shot dead several major cartel bosses, including Arturo Beltran Leyva, alias "The Beard," and Ezequiel "Tony Tormenta" Cardenas.

On Wednesday, the marines took charge of a security operation in the port of Veracruz, where thugs dumped 35 corpses on a road during rush hour in September.

The Mexican marines are helped by the fact that most have a higher level of education than those in the Mexican army or federal police, the marine corporal said.

"We are considered to be the yuppies in the Mexican military," he said. "Me and most of my colleagues have university degrees. A lot of regular soldiers come from poor villages and left school when they were 16."

The Mexican marines are also considered much less corrupt than their counterparts, because they traditionally have been uninvolved in the drug war — and have had less contact with the tempting offers of billionaire traffickers.

But where were these wonderful Mexicans during World War One, World War Two, the Korean War, Vietnam, the Gulf War............etc!

Perhaps because the CIA was involved? You bring up some valid points! The one difference with Mexico is that, unlike other places around the world that we have gotten involved in, we share a border with Mexico, which puts it in a whole different ballpark. We need to do something because Mexico's problem with the cartels is spilling over into our country.

Well, if you think the amount of harm caused by alcohol is bad then try criminalizing it again and compare that with the amount of harm that's caused by alcohol prohibition!!

It's FAR harder for kids to buy alcohol with fake id's and with the help of adults than it is for them to buy it straight from bootleggers. And of course the same is true of marijuana - it's far harder for kids to buy marijuana with fake id's and with the help of adults than it is for them to buy it straight from drug dealers as they do today. Drug Dealers Don't Card, Supermarkets Do!

Would Jesus Legalize Drugs????

so willie, your point is that because nobody has solved the problem we should just continue to fail. Perhaps it will be a mixture of legalization and just decriminalizing, it doesn't work now and the discussion is starting. Gov. Christie of New Jersey former federal prosecuter has raised the question. The cost benefit ratio of $48K to keep a prisoner in jail for a year.

The point is we have failed and to continue to do the same thing over and over and expect a different outcome is some peoples definition of insanity. As for other countries lots of other countries are moving toward mixtures of decriminalization and legalization. Now I am not a pothead, I am the 53% that pays taxes and I don't like my money wasted, I am in my mid 50s and I travel all over the world, including Mexico and I was in Colombia in the 90s, what happens here is nothing compared to what happens in those countries. The drug was is destablizing entire regions and an open discussion needs to be had rather than continue to stick our heads in the sand and hope it goes away.

Menoseeno, To quote an old adage, "God invented weed, Man invented alcohol, Who do you trust more?"

The Battle of Gettysburg (local ⁱ/ˈɡɛtɨsbɜrɡ/, with an /s/ sound),^[6] was fought July 1–3, 1863, in and around the town of Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. It was the battle with the largest number of casualties in the American Civil War^[7] and is often described as the war's turning point.^[8] Union Maj. Gen. George Gordon Meade's Army of the Potomac defeated attacks by Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia, ending Lee's invasion of the North.

After his success at Chancellorsville in Virginia in May 1863, Lee led his army through the Shenandoah Valley to begin his second invasion of the North—the Gettysburg Campaign. With his army in high spirits, Lee intended to shift the focus of the summer campaign from war-ravaged northern Virginia and hoped to influence Northern politicians to give up their prosecution of the war by penetrating as far as Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, or even Philadelphia. Prodded by President Abraham Lincoln, Maj. Gen. Joseph Hooker moved his army in pursuit, but was relieved just three days before the battle and replaced by Meade.

Elements of the two armies initially collided at Gettysburg on July 1, 1863, as Lee urgently concentrated his forces there, his objective being to engage the Union army and destroy it. Low ridges to the northwest of town were defended initially by a Union cavalry division under Brig. Gen. John Buford, and soon reinforced with two corps of Union infantry. However, two large Confederate corps assaulted them from the northwest and north, collapsing the hastily developed Union lines, sending the defenders retreating through the streets of town to the hills just to the south.

On the second day of battle, most of both armies had assembled. The Union line was laid out in a defensive formation resembling a fishhook. In the late afternoon of July 2, Lee launched a heavy assault on the Union left flank, and fierce fighting raged at Little Round Top, the Wheatfield, Devil's Den, and the Peach Orchard. On the Union right, demonstrations escalated into full-scale assaults on Culp's Hill and Cemetery Hill. All across the battlefield, despite significant losses, the Union defenders held their lines.

On the third day of battle, July 3, fighting resumed on Culp's Hill, and cavalry battles raged to the east and south, but the main event was a dramatic infantry assault by 12,500 Confederates against the center of the Union line on Cemetery Ridge, known as Pickett's Charge. The charge was repulsed by Union rifle and artillery fire, at great losses to the Confederate army. Lee led his army on a torturous retreat back to Virginia.

Between 46,000 and 51,000 soldiers from both armies were casualties in the three-day battle.

a fine cut and paste from a history book.... do you have a point you want to make?

Another wise move, i like that. Nobama out and dusting of Mexico with soft gentle booms. As i read somewhere else, dust the area with half life Uranium. Think of the power of that next generation Pot.

You are a Wizard with words...Love the "A-hole" part...classy!