
ABC News Australia via Reuters
Rescuers respond to a fatal shark attack about 90 miles north of Perth, Australia, on July 14. A surfer was killed by a shark, bringing to five the number of fatal attacks in Western Australia in the past year.
Following a record number of attacks this year, and retracting his earlier stand, the leader of a state on Australia's west coast announced Thursday that any great white sharks seen near beachgoers would be killed in order to prevent attacks on humans.
"We will always put the lives and safety of beachgoers ahead of the shark," Western Australia Premier Colin Barnett told ABC Radio Australia. "This is, after all, a fish — let's keep it in perspective."
Previously, sharks could only be hunted if there had already been an attack on a swimmer and, even after a fatal attack last March, Barnett had ruled out changing that strategy, saying "the ocean is the domain of the shark and we go there with a risk always."
But the state has now seen five deaths this year — out of a total of just 12 recorded over the last 100 years.
The new strategy includes more watercraft and helicopter patrols as well, but it was not welcomed by everyone.
The Conservation Council of Western Australia called it a "guilty until proven innocent" approach, The Australian reported.
Authorities are searching for the large shark after it killed a surfer on Saturday off the Australia coast. The shark was believed to be at least 13 feet long. NBC's Duncan Golestani reports.
"This may be the most reactionary and archaic response I have seen in my lifetime of shark study," added George Burgess, curator of the University of Florida's International Shark Attack File.
"Such methods run totally in contrast to modern scientific thinking," he told NBC News, noting that "no evidence" from the 5,000 attacks on file suggest that sharks have become more aggressive toward humans. In fact, only two or maybe three of those attacks can even be attributed to one shark involved in multiple strikes.
Western Australia's strategy, he added, "is particularly ill-founded in that it involves a protected species — an animal already acknowledged to be in trouble not only in Australia but in most areas of its biological range.
"We're supposed to be smarter than the average shark," he said, adding that scientists know general shark migratory patterns and that can be used to better warn beachgoers and even close beaches ahead of time when needed.
Great white sharks have been a protected species in Australian waters for more than a decade, but Barnett's fisheries minister last July suggested it might be time to review that.
A great white shark attacked and killed a 33-year-old diver in Australia, the fourth such attack in seven months. NBC's Annabelle Roberts reports.
"I wonder if research might tell us that there are now much greater number of great whites than ever before, and maybe we should look at whether they should remain a protected species," Norman Moore told reporters.
Burgess said any culling would further threaten the species. "It's sad they're going after one of the animals that can least take that fishing pressure" since it is relatively scarce in the ocean.
More than 100 species of shark are found in Australian waters but most are not aggressive. The great white, tiger and bull sharks are considered the most dangerous.
Great whites prefer the colder and temperate waters of Australia's south, while tiger and bull sharks are more common in northern tropical waters.
Burgess said there is no evidence showing that sharks "hang around" beaches and instead they tend to follow migratory patterns in search of food like whales.
Still, France last month authorized a cull of around 20 sharks off its Indian Ocean island of Reunion after a series of attacks in the surfing hot spot.
A man has suffered serious injuries after being bitten by a shark on the east coast of Australia. Msnbc.com's Alex Witt reports.
In the U.S., "preventive hunting of white sharks" is not allowed, Monica Allen, a spokeswoman for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, told NBC News. "White sharks are an important part of the ocean ecosystem," she said, and instead "coastal communities and states use public education to help reduce the risk of shark attacks, which are rare."
Burgess said great whites along both U.S. coasts probably number in the low thousands, and Allen said the species appears to be seeing pressure.
"In the Atlantic, white sharks are prohibited from being landed by fishermen because of the status of the stock," she said. "NOAA is also reviewing a petition to consider listing the Pacific white shark under the Endangered Species Act."
Reuters contributed to this report.
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Have a nice holiday, eh mate?
Crikey!
Wish the United States would shoot and kill all the illegals coming over the border on sight. They are killing those of us who came over here legally.
I cannot believe that they will kill lawyers just like that.............Amazing.
LOL
Pedro Sanchez-2919871
Wish the United States would shoot and kill all the illegals coming over the border on sight. They are killing those of us who came over here legally.
"The only people in the USA that are here legally are Native American Indians"
I think it's horrible that they are going to just kill the sharks on site. I can't belive how many people think it's good or funny that they are doing this. Sharks were in the ocean a long time before humans. Sharks don't target humans, it's almost always because they think we are a seal or something.
Ahh Pedro.. Not sure what's worst.. that you are an ignorant piece of crap.. or a waste of sperm...
Then perhaps you should leave if you feel that way. After all, we wouldn't want you to violate your own code of ethics by staying here.
Sharks bite .
Man im sorry for those that are lost to shark attacks, but killing them as you see them is @!$%#ed up....the story said he swam there every day....and got attacked once.....well isnt that considered lucky for how many sharks there are in the water. Think about it....the sharks arent coming on land eating us up, and when we go diving in the water we dress up like seals n @!$%#.....swimming around in there feeding grounds..... STAY THE @!$%# OUT OF THE WATER.... we got people killing other people and instead of killing them we send them to jail for 10 yrs and hope they learned there lesson..... KILLING THE SHARKS ON SIGHT IS MESSED UP WHEN WE ARE IN THERE NATURAL HABITAT THATS THE POINT
i dont wanna get eaten by sharks so i swim in a FN pool. i don't wanna get shot up by a rival gang memeber so im not a gangster.....people dont wanna die of AIDS so they use condoms, make people take AIDS test of dont have sex..... THE PEOPLE THAT MADE THE DECISION TO KILL THE SHARKS ARE THE ONES THAT NEED TO BE TOSSED IN THE TANK.....
AND I MEAN NO DISRESPECT TO ANYONE WHO HAS LOST SOMEONE TO SHARKS....IM JUST SAYING.
How exactly did the Navite American Indians come here "legally"? Did Native American Indians have immigration laws that made the european immigrants illegal? I think not. Typically something is not illegal until a law is passed that makes it illegal. The Native American Indians got their ass whipped and were gifted reservations.
Pedro - How does your comment about a human issue relate to an article about a shark issue? Also, to suggest randomly killing people due to their migration is disgusting and quite disturbing. The natural world is full of migration. Human beings are part of the natural world. It is natural for humans to migrate just like any other species on Earth. Lol, last time I traveled I do not recall seeing lines in the landscape shaped like those drawn on maps. Finally, get over yourself. You live with a pompous attitude.
Sure, encroach on another animals territory and then kill them... BRILLIANT!!
If I go camping in the woods can I kill all the bears?
MORONS....
just like a ignorant human the answer to everything is kill them all.i love the ocean & am willing to take my chances unlike you murderous couwards. if humans would quit depleteing the oceans of the sharks natural foods they wouldnt be so close to shore
Look at Japan killing thousands upon thousands of sharks for the fins. Australia wanting to protect its beaches and people is warranted. Get on the right band wagon MSN. Push the right agendas against ivory and shark fins not humans V.S sharks.
@pldp19-799961
If you want to make a blanket statement then Native Americans migrated here also so they would then be illegal. Now having said that there is a process in place for migration. I guess that would make it legal whatever that means.
Sharks do for the oceans what the movie"Deliverance" did for the mountains. It keeps out those that have not a clue.
humans, just as tasty as tuna and easier to catch.
Charlie the Tuna won't be happy with this decision.
There is no such thing as a native american. Every group of people immigrated to this continent- some well ahead of others but- there are no native americans.
BeArDoWnAZ-, how do you know? Did you have a conversation with the sharks? No-well then your statement is just supposition.
"The only people in the USA that are here legally are Native American Indians"
What about Black Americans, whose ancestors were brought over to this country on slave ships. Since we have now been diluted with slavemasters' blood and were brought here unwillingly, I'd say that Black Americans are here "legally."
poor sharks ,SHOOT THE DAMM POLITICIANS INSTEAD
Sorry folks, shoot he sharks. Yes the Oean is their domain, so let them have it 50 miles out.Too many sharks not enough seals, haven't heard th freaking Polar Bears are starving because them dang sharks are eating all the seals
Sorry folks, shoot he sharks. Yes the Oean is their domain, so let them have it 50 miles out.Too many sharks not enough seals, haven't you heard the freaking Polar Bears are starving because them dang sharks are eating all the seals
Sharks belong in the water, peolpe do not.
A holes. Humans kill 100 million sharks for every single human killed by sharks.
I don't understand why humans think that all animals should be in a certain place. Just like the smart human that jumped in the tiger cage. That really show the smarts of some humans. We just need to learn how to respect how this world works for the animals also. They have the right to live on this earth just as well as any living being. One day we can wake up and there will not be any animals and that will be a sad day for all. I wish we would all just think smartly and allow the animals their right to life also.
Pedro Sanchez-2919871 It's a little too late for that since your family has obviously procreated and we are left with you.
Could it be that thier food sources are becoming scarace? A lot of strange thing are happening in our seas lately. Are the seas dying?
Another question: How come people don't write to their legislature (government) about issues? Bombard them with e-mails and letters. Venting here doesn't do anything because those that are in any kind of authority don't read this stuff. Call em, write to em...give em hell! Expressing hate and cussing out in here...just doesn't do any good and gives the person doing it indigestion.
Many sharks are already endangered. Im pretty sure that means they are protected by international law. You know what morons, if you dont want to get bit stay the @!$%# out of the water. How about we kill people instead, there is no shortage of people. Why do @!$%#ing morons think they should just be allowed to wipe out whatever they want to keep a few more people on the planet? Why do they even want to? With 7 billion people on the planet who gives a @!$%# if a few fall victim to the food chain? Why do people think they are any different at all from any other animal? You morons are animals too, you are not above the food chain and if there is any one creature on this planet that deserves to die it is people.
Then shoot yourself.
Not sure how I feel about this. The ocean is the sharks home, we're taking our own risk by swimming in it. We humans have a way with pushing wildlife's territory back further and further for our own benefit. Where are they supposed to go? They usually don't attack humans on purpose, it's most likely the surfers on their boards whom resemble seals and such. This would be the same as killing all the crocodiles in the swamps in Florida or New Orleans, so we could safely wade in them. Where do you draw the line?
I feel bad for the sharks. The ocean is their world and because humans invade it for fun like swimming and surfing, they get killed. And why do they get killed? For being what they were created to be .... hunters. It seems just plain wrong to die because they are being themselves. :(
Land shark could be next..Knock Knock, Who's that, "Telegram"
Why don't we build a golf course in the Serengeti then kill all the lions if they threaten the players.
Kill 'em all so you don't miss any.
You see what MomNature is doing to the Tasmanian Devils Vis-a-Vis a Killer virus? And The devils have done NOTHING Wrong to the environment like WE HUMAN DEVILS are doing. What do you think Mom's gonna' do to us when it's OUR TURN?????????? The sharks are Animals aka God's Innocent Children. And We Humans are NOT Innocent..............Jus' Th' Facts Mam....Jus' Th' Facs'................So leave the Great Whites ALONE and stay the @!$%# outta' Her Way................PS Watch "Walking Dead" If you dare.
A guy went into a tigers cage. The tiger did what tigers do and tried to eat him. The people go into known shark infested waters. So we shoot the shark before it does anything?
Killing sharks like that reminds me of how the Aborigines were used to be treated in Australia.
Nancy's Red Diaper Doper Baby
How exactly did the Navite American Indians come here "legally"? Did Native American Indians have immigration laws that made the european immigrants illegal? I think not. Typically something is not illegal until a law is passed that makes it illegal. The Native American Indians got their ass whipped and were gifted reservations.
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Read your history nancy. Most native americans died not from war with europeans but by disease brought by europe. If not for that, american history may be quite different.
The solution is simple. Require everyone going in the water dress up like a lawyer. The sharks will not attack out of professional courtesy.
SERIOUSLY???!!! If that area of the water is dangerous then don't allow the humans to swim there!!! THAT'S THE SHARKS HOME/TERRITORY NOT THE HUMANS!!! this world is absolutely disgusting!!!! I hope whoever thought of this idea is shot dead...seriously what a frickin moron!!! We need nature and nature is so beautiful...humans are doing nothing but destroying it!!
gtouch
I cannot believe that they will kill lawyers just like that.............Amazing."
------LOL. Not just post of the day, but post of the year. Pay this man his money.
Pedro Sanchez-2919871, this is so off-topic. Write your own article comparing people to sharks. You're suspended for a week for violating #4 of the Code of Honor. Repeatedly.
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Nico123, you're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
You mean there's actually a debate about this?
I don't know about you; but, Jaws aint eatin' me for 'brunch.'
I say, cut 'em up and serve 'em to the Dolphins at Sea World.
:-)
Screw the sharks. Ecosystems are lame and unnecessary. Man rules all, and that is all. If I want to go somewhere, I'm going to go there, and if anyone or anything tries to stop me, they die.
The above comment was brought to you by: "The Highly Developed Brain", a partner of "Opposable Thumbs" corporation. Giving man dominion over all since Adam or Eve, or the evolution from primate to human - whichever you subscribe to.
Ironically, when/if, humans are ever wiped off the face of the earth, it will likely be due to something he did with his brain and thumbs (and no, not that you dirty people!). The gift and the curse baby. Then the rest of the living world can go back to functioning naturally and well as it had done successfully for ions before we came with the biggest party foul of all time.
New scienctific discoveries have shown that the Indians who emigrated here from asia were not the first. Perhaps we should remove the term "Native" from their title as well.
One more thing. When the Indians showed up, the original occupants of this land suddenly ceased to exist. The original occupants were from what is now southern France.
What all those bleeding heart shark lovers out there are overlooking is Global Warming..... The ocean's food stock is dying off due to pollution and global warming... Humans along the coastal lands of all nations including America are easy targets for increasingly hungry sharks. Plus, studies are starting to show, sharks can get addicted to the taste of certain bloods, even humans....
5,000 recent shark attacks in Australia and 1000's of sharks around America's coast lines. unless you want to stay land lovers all your life, wake up and start taking preventative action...
If not, do you really want to watch your kids playing in three feet of coastal water to become the next "Endangered Species."
@ pdpl19 (1.4):
There is no people 'native' to the American Hemisphere. No disrespect intended to anyone, or any peoples... but what you wrongfully refer to as a "Native American"... is in reality ASIAN peoples (Chinese to Kamchatka) who migrated to this hemisphere first, before others did. Ergo, there are no 'native americans'. Those who were once called 'indians' only got here first, but most certainly are not native, even by extending your own logic. Every people on Earth has pushed, shoved, fought and taken land from every other people on this planet, throughout history. The stronger expand at the detriment of the weaker. It's now 2012; we're ALL 'native americans' at this point, as we are all one people (except for the psychological issues some have that wish to remain outcast from our society). In closing, please re-consider before throwing out such diversionary comments in future, OK? We'd do much better working on being 'one' people today, rather than dreaming of a yesteryear which will never come again, don't you think?
Why was he swimming 650 feet off the coast w/o a safety net or some safety measure? That is like putting someone in a lion's den and not giving them a chair and whip. Sad for the loss the family has but that is also stupid.
You play with fire you're gonna eventually get burned.
You liberals need to seriously give this argument a rest. "Native" Americans as you love to call them emigrated here just like everyone in else and, in fact, there is a suspicion that they may have actually eradicated the people who were already here.
However, with that said, it is completely irrelevant who was here first because there were no immigration laws and therefore this land was here just waiting to be settled, and that's exactly what the Europeans did. They broke no laws by being here, because there were no laws to break.
If these "Native" Americans had played nicely and recognized the opportunity this presented to them, instead of acting like a bunch of savages, we wouldn't have had to kick their sorry asses, but unfortunately that isn't what happened.
Funny how you ignorant liberals love to pretend to actually give a sh!t about the American Indians, yet none of you ever give up your homes to them or self-deport since, you know, by your logic you're here illegally as well.
Maybe if you would actually do something about some of these perceived atrocities against humans and animals you libbies love to flap your gums about, rather than just . . . well . . . flap your gums, you might actually be taken seriously.
On second thought scratch that, you'll never be taken seriously...
Let japanese fisherman cut off their fins. That ought to slow those great whites down and give 'em a taste of what it feels like to have a bite taken out of them.
You disgust me. Read a book once in a while and maybe you'll gain the intelligence to see how incompetent your statement is.
What a douchebag.
Your lack of intelligence is astonishing.
We share the same name in Steve but not the same intelligence level.
Steve, read the article. They are in Australia not in Japan. These are two completely different countries. Also, if you are suggesting that their fins are removed to prevent swimming, then are you ok with the removal of a person's arm to prevent them from possibly attacking another person? Your comment is disgusting and disturbing, please seek help.
Pretty sure Steve was being sarcastic and making a joke. So who's lacking intelleignce and/or a sense of humor.
You're sick.
The act of finning is absolutely disgusting. Sharks are doing what they were intended to do. Humans destroy everything they touch. More people are killed in a day by humans, than have been killed in years, probably ever, by sharks. Maybe they should kill humans that come too close to other people.
and Nancy -- how do you know what Steve meant? Unless you know him. And then it's still sick, whether he meant it as a joke or not.
Nancy- if that was Steve's idea of humor he has a pretty poor sense of what is funny.
Steve has a fine sense of humor. It's just that it is above the intelligence level of most of you.
steve you're a moron
You're disgusting. What's sad is there are so many people like you in the world. Only people feel pain in your mind, right? Only people have a right to live, right? How egotistical and narcissistic. We need the entire ecosystem to support us, yet we keep chipping away at it, piece by piece. Kill everything, and you won't live long, buddy. People don't even think logically about animal/human conflicts. They focus on the symptom, not the disease. First of all, sharks do not understand that if they come too close to the water, they'll be killed. They could be tracking fish. Second of all, stop overfishing the oceans if you want the sharks to stay out to sea. They are coming to the shore because they have nothing to eat. Humans create a mess, then blame and kill the animals involved. Kill, kill, kill.
In the 19th and 20th centuries we killed wolves indiscriminately too because we feared them and they ate some of our livestock (though probably not that many). Then we found out how important they are to the ecosystem. With the number of wolves reduced dramatically the elk population boomed. Their overgrazing caused a crash in woody, deciduous species (such as aspen and willow) which affected many other wildlife populations. The rise in numbers of coyotes (filling the niche left by the decreasing population of wolves) also had negative effects on the ecosystem. Since reintroducing wolves to Yellowstone (and other areas), the ecosystem has returned to become much healthier and more diverse. With both the wolves and white sharks at the top of the food chain, you can expect a crash in the number of white sharks to have potentially wide ranging effects on the health and diversity of the marine environment. We rely on the marine environment as a major source of food. Ironically, we are putting ourselves at risk if we kill the white sharks.
DIAF
Great White sharks and rattlesnakes are protected and admired by some people, but I imagine not by anybody that has been bitten by one. Good that somebody has some common sense in Australia! Good job.
You're wrong, actually. Many bite victims later turn to actively working to protect the species, having a profound appreciation for the power and evolutionary place in our oceans that this animal represents.
Either that, or they simply fear the beasts and seek to submit, lest the sharks return and hunt them down for their insolence.
J/K, y'all.
You want to know what those people thought before being bitten?
"Hey I heard that there was allot of shark bites in the recent weeks."
"Hey, you want to go to the beach?"
"SURE!"
common sense= 0
But really, you are going into there hunting grounds! They will bite you, just be glad that they aren't big cats! Those are the ones that will eat you, sharks will take a bite then swim away because they don't like the tast or all of the bones in you(scientists aren't sure which it is).
The moral:
Don't go into the water when there have been shark bites :/
Yes and by the way we should kill all bears, big cats, crocodiles, and attorneys or just realize that if you decide to enter into nature that you are NOT THE TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN
Most of the people bitten by sharks realize that the fish are only doing what comes naturally. They do NOT want them killed. How senseless! Typical human stupidity.
Gwen: Not too many of the victims there this year are too appreciative of the sharks. Because they are dead.
Yeah tree hugging occupy loser hippie types will never be attacked because they don't go anywhere where water or soap touches them ...
isnt just like humans to destroy any and all things, wheather it be animals or land for there own personal pleasure or gain. completely selfish! if we are not careful we wont have a planet live on, maybe we shouldnt.
Mike wrote: "Yes and by the way we should kill all bears, big cats, crocodiles, and attorneys or just realize that if you decide to enter into nature that you are NOT THE TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN"
Humans are a part of nature, it's just that it is human nature to want to protect our own species. Except of course the people who hate humans and human nature. Although I have to admit, human nature can definitely be improved upon.
JoeMan-759701:
Humans are a part of nature, it's just that it is human nature to want to protect our own species. Except of course the people who hate humans and human nature. Although I have to admit, human nature can definitely be improved upon.
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No, it's not that it's human nature to want to protect our own species. Every species wants to protect it's own, humans don't have a lock on that. It's that we want complete and total control over our entire environment, even down to demanding that other species conform to our desires on what their behavior is.
Every creature on this planet serves a purpose in nature - except humans. Human beings have stepped outside their natural place in the world, and seek to completely dominate it. And by attemtping to completely dominate it, they will only manage to destroy it.
Sorry folks, shoot he sharks. Yes the Oean is their domain, so let them have it 50 miles out.Too many sharks not enough seals, haven't you heard the freaking Polar Bears are starving because them dang sharks are eating all the seals
I guarantee if one of these sharks killed and ate one of your kids, you would be screaming for the heart of every last shark. And Gwen YOU ARE WRONG, just because national geographic does a special on 1 or 2 attack victims who support ethical treatment doesn't mean that everybody else will feel the same way
to saintvirus 1: You and steve cuzzes????????????????????
Really, ispeak? That's the answer you'd like to stick with?
How about you go ask a victim of an attack and see if they're screaming for the heart of every shark. Go ask their families or even dead victims families. Let me know too, I want to see the look on your face when you get the real answer.
Bullet, you're another idiot. Sharks don't understand human boundaries. Stop overfishing the oceans, stop clubbing all the seals to death, and there would be far less shark attacks.
I was bitten by a shark in the 1980's. No severe damage to my lower right extremity, just scarring, minimal tissue loss because fortunately it was not a BIG shark. I never felt the need, nor desire, to go out and kill sharks because of it. I do admit, that I DO tend to get a bit leery, uncomfortable swimming in really deep waters... especially once my mind returns to that old attack, and fears abound. Point being, I don't think they should kill the sharks, they should just let nature take it's course: those individual's that wish to IGNORE the shark attack warnings? Well, they simply win themselves a Darwin Award, posthumously.
Really? What a pack of morons.
Are the sharks walking out of the ocean and killing people? They are sea bound so STAY OUT OF SHARK INFESTED WATERS.
JanB.....Quit eating the kelp, we share the beaches and I'll be dammed if some idiot like you finds fish more important than humans. Australia is thinking strait.
Jan, this planet is ours to do with what we wish. And when the sun runs out of fuel, goes super nova and turns in a red giant and swallows the planet, sharks and all, I hope man has finally moved to other planets.
The planet, and therefore sharks are doomed no matter what. Man or no. We won't even have to wait till our sun dies either. Ever hear of Asteroids? Gamma Ray Bursts? etc
Thanks for the one SANE comment I've read so far, JanB. Sharks have been around a lot longer than humans, and they're an important part of the ocean's delicate eco-system.
Same with snakes, they play their part in the well-being of this planet, too. I don't particularly like snakes of any kind, but I sure won't go out of my way to kill one.
considering there are 7 billion idiots on this planet we could spare a few to the sharks, If you are stupid enough to risk swimming in shark infested waters when you could just as easily find a pool your an idiot.
and yes I do put sharks, bears, dogs, cats, rattlesnakes above human because what they do is natural what we do is infringe on their habitat and think we are in control.
Kai ..by the looks of the flag you display Animals are more important than humans to you and your kind. Infanticide always looks good to devil worshipers.
You can have the BEACH to yourself and stay out of the deeper water. I'll be damned if some idiot like you finds frolicking in the water like some jackass more important than life.
my family is from australia and know personally how bad a shark attack or mauling can be. and i wonder if there is an alternative to exacuting all great white sharks and permanantly unbalancing the oceanic eco system. just as we have problems with wolves lions tigers and other aggressive predators we have found ways to protect both ourselves from attacks and from dammaging the eco system. by either building a fence or cutting away the trees to a certain point and even building contraptions that lure the prdator to it and away from the people. and i beleve there is such a solution availible that we as the population on this planet could create that would prevent further death. and it is up to us as whole to do so because we have a responsibility to ourselves and our enviroment.
The idiocy here amazes me. Thank you JanB, Kai, Wilson and others with similar thoughts. Sooner or later, we are going to screw up this planet causing our own demise. If there are people out there who do not think so, I urge you to go grab a biology book and read up on what it takes for us to survive.
DP, we're bound to just end up blowing each other up. There's no way the Earth will be destroyed of any natural causes because we'll all have already done it with whatever weapon man has devised to elimate their enemies, themselves. We'll never see any other planet outside of this solar system with our own eyes, without our probes, so have fun dancing around on a barren, bleak, hellish, apocalyptic landscape we'll call Earth in a few years or so. And yes, I just took it from sharks to the End of the World.
JanB you made me chuckle. You are spot on. Hope others catch on!
The sharks are smart, if they know a particular beach means bad news (death), they will stop coming to the beach for a delicious but bony human snack...
A few beaches on the planet that are patrolled and the relatively few sharks that are killed because they prey on humans is a small loss.
I prefer the "smarter human" strategy tho, stay the F out of the water, why tempt a shark by being a juicy steak to it?
kippy-2452211,
Assume much? That avatar represents the blood on a certain POTUS' hands that KNEW about the threat to our embassy 3 days before lives were lost. Screw what you think. Infanticide? Now you think you know all about me? You know nothing about me. It would be like assuming YOU'RE the devil worshiper because you call yourself Kippy. Get real!
"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Gandhi. Australia, for a progressive country, is really at the bottom when it comes to its treatment of animals. Killing great whites, a struggling species that should be protected, engaging in inhumane horse slaughter and the live export of animals, slaughtering millions of iconic kangaroos a year... get your $%&# together, Australia. You're a disgrace.
We should do this with all carnivores in the wild.
You included....you're such a moron.
Gmci ur a retard for saying that
Western Austrailia had 10% of all reported homicides in 2006/2007. That was 27 people murdered by other people. Oh my, it looks like we need to kill every person who is near another person for fear that they may kill an innocent person. When we put it that way, it sounds rather stupid, doesn't it?
Apparently sharks are not loved by PETA as the wolves are.
It's a well-known fact that most activist's attentions and energy spent on an animal's preservation is proportional to how cute the animals are.
PETA doesnt get to have an opinion on anything EVER.. They are a terrorist organization and ANY of their members or supporters can legally be executed on sight
PETA is the most worthless organization ever devised by tree hugging liberals. The do not donate a single dime to conservation and preservation of any animal or fish. The enjoy going out and harrassing hunters and fisherman for their activities when in fact it is the hunters and fisherman that are responsible for the rebound of many species of animals. Their license fees and donations help to restore wildlife areas and to even stock animals. When PETA is asked how much they donate to conservation and preservation all the say is "We are an educational organization".
PowerSource PC -- try telling that to the wolves, why don't you?
It's the hunters that are screaming for all the wolves to be destroyed, so they don't take down the elk, deer, and other animals that wolves prey on.
Hunters only help rebuild habitat for the animals they want to hunt. Any animal that they don't want to hunt and hang the head on their wall -- they want them completely and utterly eliminated from the planet.
On the other hand, the sharks LOVE the PETA. Especially when they are swimming in deeper waters at sundown so the sharks have a clear shot at their fat little legs thrashing about.
Question: Do they taste like chicken? (Only the sharks can answer that).
Txlady: So what? Hunters aren't necessarily animal rights advocates. Why should their contribution be minimized because it happens to support their interests?
TXLADY......You really cannot see the irony in your post can you? The Grey Wolf was virtually extinct on this continent. Man.....Yes, man began a re-population effort of the wolf and now they are at such outrageous numbers in some areas that they are starting to have an impact on the game animals. The Wildlife Authorities in this country are outstanding and they are not going to allow for the hunting and extinction of the wolf again. They will however allow taking wolves to cull the population. They will also allow the killing of wolves that are killing domesticated live stock. I am a hunter and fisherman and do not have a single head on my wall nor a mounted fish. However if a hunter wants a trophy that is his business. He is not out to wipe out populations of animals that he hunts and killing all wolfs would upset the natural balance of animals being culled naturally.
This is the most idiotic conversation I've ever witnessed on the internet. I don't even know where to begin. As far as the wolf cull... no, it's not a cull, because a cull involves killing sick or starving animals... the wolves are not sick or starving. What's happening is the ranchers out west are refusing to try humane methods to scare wolves away from their livestock, insisting that killing is the only answer, so of course the government will allow it because the hunting licenses generate money. Yes, PETA is a controversial group, especially in the past, but they are right on the mark with other less controversial animal rights groups such as the Humane Society, and these are issues they have spoken out on. Please educate yourselves before you bash so many things you don't understand, or even care about.
Nonsense strategy. How about diverting the shark? how about marking areas beyond which folks should go only at their own risk. How about warning when sharks are seen ?
How come killing is the only answer?
Well because as the Australian government looks at it, they are just fish. Fish that can attack and kill a human albeit. Anybody here been fishing lately? How is this any different?
You must be part of the land locked. Live near a beach, see these creaters attack and you might change your mind.
But what about the children?!?!?!?!?!?!
I Blame George Bush.
Whats a creater?
Because it's more fun to kill, that's why. Humans are the only animals that kill for fun.
Stupid @!$%#ing humans!!!
If we're so stupid, why are we doing better than the sharks, eh?
Another person that hates fishing I see.
I don't hate fishing what I do hate is the slaughter of an animal just because it is dangerous towards us when we are playing in it's natural environment. Now if the animal was terrorizing us in our natural environment i.e. the mall I'd say ya probably better put it down. It's just stupid that so many animals need to be killed just so we swim.
Sharks were here before humans and they'll be here long after we destroy ourselves.
I think in the last 3 days that's all I've been seeing, shoot to kill this, shoot on sight that animal...
Sounds like profiling to me. Man is in THEIR domain. Now if the sharks start climbing onto the sand to attack beachgoers, then they should be culled.
Washington state here in the U.S. is killing a wolf pack, Australia is culling Great Whites, tigers aren't even safe in zoos from poachers. Wonder what's going to happen a few years from now when there are few predators left.
Man has got to be the most stupid species on earth.
The only problem with that thinking is that since man has the power to go into other domains and dominate them, then by default it becomes OUR domain. That's how nature works. If the great whites invaded some lesser shark's territory and killed them off, the other sharks don't get to complain about it to some nature court about how unfair it is.
Not that I support this plan, but the "they were there first" and "it's THEIR territory" arguments are fundamentally flawed.
Don't worry chil, man is the ultimate predator so there will be plenty left.
Sf accountant -- man is the only predator that will completely wipe out another species.
Nature provides for checks and balances -- if the local prey (deer, etc.) population decreases, so does the predator population.
Humans have no checks and balances, so they are no longer a part of nature. So the argument that 'that's how nature works' is fundamentally flawed.
And you would know this, how? Man is the only predator that has the wherewithal to actually contemplate a species dying out due to predation. You state this (unlikely) fact as if it's evidence of some kind of evil intent, as if other animals would spare a population out of benevolence.
Man is the only species that actually considers whether animals have rights. You can whine about them being disrespected all you want, but we're the only species in which ethics is a thing in the first place.
This is patently false. Nature does NOT provide "checks and balances". It is entirely unregulated. When and if a local prey population decreases, the predators quite often migrate or change their diets. That ecosystems have any stability is a coincidence of thousands of years of beasts killing each other willy-nilly for food, territory, mates, or because they just feel like it, to the point that all the species that couldn't cut it died out.
Humankind, again, is the only body that would ever attempt to try and bring some order to nature.
This is wrong on three counts: first, it's completely arbitrary to declare humanity as outside of nature because it doesn't meet some criteria you made up out of thin air (using our human ethics system which nature does not recognize, no less). Second, as I said, nature has no checks and balances besides those that arose purely by coincidence. That very concept implies a regulatory environment that simply does not exist (unless you not only believe in God, but think he's the bureaucratic sort that keeps track of every species). And finally, humans have tons of checks and balances because WE INVENTED THAT CONCEPT. It is our unique intelligence that allows us to think about whether we should really be killing sharks to protect a few people, to look at the trade-offs and conflicts of conscience and make that decision. The very fact that you're arguing against me is evidence that you're wrong.
And not to beat the dead, half-buried, and mostly rotting horse that is your argument, but if you think that humanity is outside nature, why should it be bound by these "checks and balances" you insist it has?
SF accountant, maybe you need to stick with accounting...
I do stick to accounting, actually. Or did you mean I shouldn't take breaks from verifying invoices to engage in Internet debates?
Look, I'm not saying we should kill the sharks. I'm just saying that out of all the arguments for restraint - that great whites are endangered, that they don't compete with humans for territory, that they're cool, that five deaths in a year over an entire country hardly qualifies as a crisis - saying that the ocean is THEIR territory or that humans are just awful and should cede ground to wild animals because of how terrible we are are the weakest arguments most easily brushed aside by an actual authority charged with protecting people. That ship already sailed; humans won, we rule the Earth now, and animals only have "rights" so long as we say they do. If you can't get over that, then you won't convince anybody who matters.
@ SF accountant tell me please why is human pleasure (swimming in the ocean) cause enough to kill sharks? I understand that at the bottom it's not even human pleasure but rather the income that beaches bring to humans. Humans who kill animals for profit or for pleasure are awful. It just baffles me how such behavior is not awful in your eyes. Animals feel pain just as we do, they want to live and they eat and procreate just as we do. It is a bit shortsighted to say that we rule the Earth. Are you even aware how dependent we have become on our comforts and how fleeting they are? Are you aware that without the artificial heat, most of these dominant humans will die like a lizard caught in a snow? You are right animals don't have rights. "having rights" is a human concept no one argues against that. However, you should ask yourself: What is the origin of this concept? When you answer that then ask yourself: would it be awful of us to show animals respect and pretend that they do have rights? The fact that we are even having this discussion should be proof enough that we are not as guilt-free as you believe. If there were only million humans left on this planet and we haven't plagued the environment with our expansive, often self-centered tendencies, then we wouldn't be having this discussion now would we.
SF accountant thinks that just because he can write long, hot air-filled comments that no one will read, that he's right.
Wow... Killing animals is the answer, but of course its a man eating shark, right? You idiots! Sharks benefit our oceans so much! yes, they attack, but everyone knows where are shark infested waters, and that surfer took that risk. Although poor surfer, but killing sharks is not the answer. why don't we just kill humans? Because last time I checked were a huge threat...exspecially to one another.
I am not for the wholesale killing of any animal or fish nor do I think Western Australia is. They are not going to go out into the ocean and just start killing Great White Sharks. They are going to kill sharks that are in swimming areas that have ventured to close to recreational areas. Sharks are a big part of the tourism activities in Australia so why wipe out a species that is buttering your bread? Thousands of researchers, scientists and just plain old folks who want to see a Great White go there every year for their studies pumping a lot of money into the economy. They are not advocating wholesale slaughter of any fish.
CXC0 ..............
DON'T BE A DICK..
GREAT WHITES ARE A DEEP WATER FISH..
THESE SHARKS ARE NOW MOVING INTO SHALLOW water .
they are attacking some dingies (for those who don't know what a dingy is, small alum boats ) not far from shore.
And these were not shark infested water.
The way i see it is we are OVER fishing and depleting fishing stocks..their food.
So they are looking for an alternate food source...seeing how good we taste.
...which we would do the same.
Their numbers have increased due to being protected species.
Due to the depletion of their food source i do think we should cull or remove the protected species tag.
UNLESS you have seen one up real close you don't realize how BLO*DY big they are.
SCARED the pants off me..
Can you imagine the terror of being attacked by one when swimming close to shore.
I would be running across the top of the water with a brown stain following me..
I SUPPOSE IT FALLS INTO THE CATEGORY OF KILL OR BE KILLED.
WHO'S RIGHT?? WHO's WRONG??
If it's that big of a problem then why not close the beach? Nothing else will get injured and besides, aren't we the ones invading the sharks territory?
Amen. This situation isn't really even borderline. It is one thing to say wild animals are posing a danger near people's homes. There at least you can argue that asking people to give up their homes to protect an animal's habitat is a major sacrifice. But arguing that wild animals should be killed in a their habitat simply to keep tourists safe is horribly irresponsible. I realize that placing restrictions on the tourists can have a serious effect on the economy but ... at what point do we say blatantly killing off species is going too far?
Sounds like a plan to me. Although I really don't have a dog in this fight. I don't go in the ocean anyway. And if I do it's in a whole lot less water than a shark can swim in...like barely over the ankles.
Yeesh, overreact much?
I'm not particularly opposed to killing animals to protect humans. But these are endangered animals, and five deaths in a year - an unusually high number, apparently - doesn't sound like a crisis-level threat to me. Besides, these are freaking Australians; half the animals there will rip your throat out as soon as look at you, and most of the others just use poison. I think they're tough enough to handle it.
What do you think is going to happen when there food supply is running out because we have raked the oceans dry. Have to find food somewhere. Make sense doesn't it.
Ask the Japanese and Taiwanese where the sharks food supply went. They can tell you.
"Make sense doesn't it?"...........................Not a damn bit! Great Whites feed largely on Seals and Sea Lions...both are also protected species. So is the Great White killing too many seals on site? They are not attacking people because we are raking the ocean dry. That is absurd.
PowerSourcePC, it's not the great white that is killing too many seals, it's humans. Read up a bit on how humans are affecting these populations (through acts like poaching, fishing, etc.) and then get back to us. Plus, I think Randy's point was that they are attacking people because of a shortage in their food supply...a shortage that WE are causing. Poachers are not swayed by something being a protected species and neither are illegal fisherman. If you don't think human's have been depleting the supply of certain species in the ocean through fishing and other means, then you need to do some research.
Sharks lives in the Ocean .. Humans do not
Sharks minds their own business swimming around and looking for food ... in its OWN world > it is not attacking anything when a non nature creature enters your world.
Humans do the same thing ... they drive around in search of a drive through and a bag with burgers and fries ... I have yet to know of ONE time when a shark has attacked anyone in a grocery store, in their living room or in line at a drive through.
Okay, fine. So if there WERE predators that wandered into human cities and hurt people there, then you would be totally fine with hunting that species down to the point where it didn't pose a threat any longer, right?
Not sure your point is clear ... my point is SHARK are just being sharks in their natural enviroment
HEY .. I am all for shooting and killing ALL gang members on sight ... and seems to me we already shoot rabid dogs or anything else that comes into our human cities as you put it .... same idea needs to be applied to Gang members ...
A non-nature creature?!?!?! Are you saying that humans are not a natural part of the earth or that we are some type of alien species that has no rights to partake of the bounty of food and natural resources of this world? I think that is what you are implying. Humans are just as much a part of the natural world as a Great White Shark or any other animal. We belong here. We were placed here as a natural part of the world and we are also important to the eco-system of this world. If it were not for humans many species would not exist today. We learn from the mistakes of those that were here before us and at this time there are some species that have never had higher populations. We belong here and I will never feel guilty for being a human like many self-deprecating liberals do. I really get sick of people acting like human beings are some alien species that will devastate the planet just by existing.
Okay, I kind of think you lost sight of your point in your haste to defend animals from humanity's predations.
You implied that it would be okay to kill sharks if they wandered around in cities biting people. So I'm asking you if a different species (like, say, bears or alligators) doing exactly that would warrant the species being hunted down to size. It's a simple question, and I'm not sure what gangs have to do with anything.
PowerPC Read! For cryin out loud! Texas A&I was referring to not natural to the oceanic environment , not meaning your non-natural, but, your beginning to make a case for yourself. And let go of the Liberal statement, many Liberals are in the deer stands and duck blinds right along aside you Conservs. Read before throwing out your knee jerk responses.
It's really calloused to say you shouldn't do something about the shark attacks when they have killed people. And it's really unrealistic to say that no one should swim in the ocean. So if you have a better solution than killing the sharks that come around where people swim, then let it be known so it can be put to use.
i agree totally it is soo posible that we can build an under water gate like net to prevent the sharks from comming into populated beaches which would create safty for both our species. to limit thier contact with us would ensure that the death toll from shark attacks would drop. my heart goes out to all the families that have had such tragidy, the loss of a loved one is devistating.
I have a solution.
Sharks are hunting for their natural prey -- which actually does not include humans.
Humans that swim in areas where the shark's natural prey are in abundance, run an increased risk of being attacked by sharks who mistake the human for their natural prey.
So, the solution is, keep the humans out of the areas where there is a high population of the shark's natural prey. If they want to go into the water, then at least the sharks will most likely be hunting somewhere else.
it is a logical response to stay away from things that could cause harm, and it is their hunting grounds. they are taratorial and aggressive predators and by keeping humans out of these teratoies we may prevent some attacks but not all and soon they would take over all areas because it is their natural inclination to do so. they would actually become even more aggressive.
This is so stupid!!!! That's where sharks live, in the ocean! When humans go in that's just a risk they're taking. I personally love sharks, especially Great Whites!
So true. When we invade animal territory we do so at our own risk. We don't own the planet. It's a shared resource.
Michelle, you must go the Perth immediately, tie a rib eye around your neck and jump in the water and start splashing around. You brother the shark will come to love you very soon.
Have you checked out an atlas lately, Luther? We kind of DO own the planet.
If we start eliminating aggressive creatures ...were screwed !!
It's already and has been happening since the existence of man. The problem is we can perpetuate faster then we can kill each other off.
we shouldn't worry about the population of sharks and other creatures,we should be worry about the over population of our own species.I say the people know the risk,if you want to go surfing go ahead,but dont bitch when you get eaten.
It is about time that someone starts to kill the sharks, they have gotten to use to coming this close to shore, it would be like a NO SHARK ZONE, we impose NO FLY ZONES on countries, why not SHARK Country, what about the poor sole that might fall over board and get eaten by SHARK he was on top of the water. The idiots are those that think not killing these eating machines is the right thing. Go ahead go swim with the sharks.
you are a total moron
I for one have enough respect for sharks, to stay out of their territory. You will never find me willingly swimming in any water where sharks may be present.
to living in asia: so are you capible of the belief that their could be an alternative to more death. you say that they have become bolder and bolder by coming closer to the beaches and i can agree with that. yet is their another way to deal with this problem then to create another problem by destroying the eco system witch in turn could cause more damage then good. the eco system is extreamly sensitive and by killing off the sharks we open ouselves to different predator that could be even more devatating
Land is man's territory / jungle, forest , Africa , Australia is wild animal territory / and the sea belongs to the fish and whales and sharks , dolphins etc , the great white is in his own home world , the sea does not belong nor is it the home of man. Stay out of shark infested waters its that simple. Leave the sharks alone and go else where to surf or where a shark protected suit of armor . LOL .
THE GREAT WHITE SHARK IS A LIVING DINOSAUR . It's ancestor was the Giant Great White called the Megalodon from the Dinosaur Days.
You kill off the Great White then you kill off the last of the living dinosaurs , now why anyone would do such a thing is beyond me. Sharks are fascinating creatures , leave them alone and stay out of their territory.
LONG LIVE THE GREAT WHITE !
wow I can only hope that species like "Living in Asia" are on the brink of extinction.