A trillion dollar computerized army getting owned by a bunch of goatherders on donkeys...

Embarrassing

Yep, kill em with kindness...thats what I always say. These guys will be drinking lattes and driving Volvos in no time.

Why do you want to change their way of life? Leave them be how they like it.

That's the problem...we are a trillion dollar "computerized" army with all the fancy toys that make the higher ups drool....fighting an enemy which has been applying the basic tenets of warfare throughout their history. It is not the tools...it is the people. What they believe in and how much heart they have in the fight.

Can we please finally accept what history warned us about in 2001 and LEAVE?! What a waste of time and treasure :(

Why are we still conducting "Partner Patrols" with Afghan security?

Trying to win politically correct wars in not possible...they're doomed from the get go. These savages have been fighting longer than we have been a country by a long shot.....we can't change them neither can anyone else...all they know is killing and hate.

Any U.S. soldier death is extremely sad and what I find frustrating (both during the Bush administration AND the Obama administration) is we don't have a plan. What is our goal? How do we define "winning"? What will ultimately define success and exit?

I'll tell you what ELSE I am frustrated with and that is the media. Whenever a soldier died under the Bush Administration the media would just about wet themselves in excitement that they could let the country know. We had an ongoing "counter" that told us what the total death count was to date. What happened to the media? Why don't they continue to count?

I'll bet there is maybe one or two others that will read my post that will have ANY idea how many soldiers have died in Afghanistan during the Bush administration and the Obama administration.

So let me help you out - U.S. soldiers killed in Afghanistan:

During the Bush administration: 630 U.S. soldiers

During the Obama administration: 1,496 U.S. soldiers

Yes, you read that right. Bush in 7 years (2001 - 2008) has more than HALF the U.S. soldier deaths in Afghanistan than Obama did in less than 4 years.

Now, I am not happy about ANY U.S. soldier death but all I would expect is fairness from the media. When the media complained DAILY about the deaths during the Bush years why have we not heard a word of criticism of Obama?

What Obama needs to do (and I admit Bush did NOT do) is tell us what the plan is in Afghanistan. How will you define "winning" and how do we know when that occurs. Then how do we leave. Obama is the president now and needs to act like one. Twice as many soldiers have died in Afghanistan than the Bush administration in half the time and I think the Obama administration should tell us why - and the media should be ASKING why............

Three more American soldiers dead in Obama's war of necessity. YEP. It's another resounding triumph for Obama and his foreign policy!!!

This just further underscores the failure this effort (whatever it is) has become. Time to roll!

ProBusiness-

Just where did you get the numbers of US deaths in Afghanistan? Could it be from the two NBC reports (including this one) that clearly spells out the information you are passing along? So how the heck can you get on your tiresome soapbox about the media not reporting the pro-conservative line? I mean, I know you can read, so the answer must be that you simply ignore anything that doesn't feed your right-wing propaganda.

As for your claim there have been twice the US deaths in half the time under the Obama administration, could it be that our presence in Afghanistan under Bush was negligible compared to Obama, even though that was where our effort should have been all along? There's always a twist and turn to support any position on any topic. Just ask your nominee.

Pro business, you are right more deaths under Obama watch , but the media bias stop publishing everyday , like they did with Bush, because it will screw Obama the Commander in Chief. We already pass the bench mark of 3000 Coalition soldiers a few months ago now we are in 3194. 2,145 death with Obama , 1045 with Bush. However liberals can't find these numbers. The pink code , left wing operative is silent , no more red fake blood, no more protesters, I guess they are waiting for Romney to start their bias protest along with the media.

@Zathrose....get it straight...this is NOT Obamas war...Bush started it and congress is keeping it going to appease the warmonger corporations that pay off the members of congress. The army wanted to cancel billions to buy tanks THEY DID NOT WANT...but nooooooooo, congress said "we want those tanks" cause the states (read corporations) need the money. As Mitt said, "corporations are people too"

Build a base. Put up a movie theater, McDonald's, Commissary, BX and perimeter. Do not allow an Afghan within 50 miles. Rule over the region protecting our interests with an iron fist. Let the Afghans do what the Afghans do but stamp out international terrorists with good old heavy impact dumb bombs. Return to base and monitor the electric eye searching for the next mission. Camp spotted, camp clustered bombed, add in a Daisy Cutter to boot, return to camp, watch a movie.

"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank."

Barack Obama Campaign Promise - October 27, 2007

Maybe he meant the first thing he will do on his second term? Or maybe he was talking about the bank of lies?

Why can't any Obama supporter defend the Democrat position without bringing up Bush or calling us conservatives "right-wing" propaganda?

Newsflash: Obama is president and HAS been for nearly 4 years. What happened 5, 6, 8, 10, or 20 years ago is irrelevant.

Dksouthern: I didn't make any confrontational comments but simply asked the question why don't we hear about the deaths? You say it is because we have a greater presence in Afghanistan and that may very well be the case. But WHY does the media no longer CARE how many soldiers are dying or ask this administration what our goal is, is TWICE the soldiers deaths than Bush justified, and what are we doing to win?

You see you are biased. I actually think it is a GOOD idea to be in Afghanistan but I, like others, want to know that our soldiers dying is worth it. I am the first to admit that Bush did NOT explain why we were there and we lost a lot of soldiers which the media reminded us daily. Now we are losing soldiers nearly 3 times faster and the media is NOT even asking the question?

Maybe the deaths are justified and I am NOT criticizing Obama for these deaths. But he claims to be better than Bush so now is his chance to be better than Bush - tell us WHY we are there, are our soldiers deaths worth it, and what is the plan to get out.

You must have misunderstood my frustration regarding Afghanistan and is NOT a frustration with the Obama administration - it is with the media. Why are they NOW not asking the questions when they got all tingly when a soldier died in Afghanistan during the Bush administration? Does the media not care about a soldier's death in Afghanistan if it is Obama in the White House?

THIS is my frustration and confirmation that the media is extremely biased and actually we no longer have a mainstream unbiased media. THAT is my frustration and is proven in this topic.

TV Missle I see nothing for anyone to be embarrassed about. No one sees these jerks coming, innocent people are being killed and you are worried about how those people make you feel?

I pray to God that He will take care of my husband and his unit over there. That is what we should all be doing!!! Praying.

Dksouthern..

{1} Unemployment 8.3%...The twist and turn...Bushes Fault..

{2} National Debt... $16.34 TRILLION Dollars...The twist and turn....Bushes Fault..

{3} 46 million Americans on food stamps, an increase of 44% in 3 years......The twist and turn...Bushes Fault..

{4} The national debt has been INCREASED by almost $6 TRILLION dollars in the past 4 years and that amount is MORE than ALL the debt incured by the United States from 1776 till the year 2002 combined....The twist and turn....Bushes Fault...

{5}We owe China $1.34 TRILLION dollars{An increase of 34% in the past 3 years alone}...The twist and turn...Bushes fault..

You're right, there IS always a twist and turn to support any position on any topic..Just ask your nominee

BTW, here is where you can find the U.S. soldier death count:

http://icasualties.org/OEF/ByMonth.aspx

But the media won't offer this info during the Obama administration when we were getting daily updates during the Bush administration.

@ProBusiness - the news media stopped being a check on the government a long time ago. The news media used to be there to inform the people and let them know the truth about what was going on in the world. Now, the news media has become the hand of the government, there to spread the news that's approved by the government. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a secret department of media affairs in our government which gives a stamp of approval on what should and should not be reported to Americans. The fact that our president with the media's support continues to tell the same lie about what happened to our diplomats in Libya while other countries around the world are reporting the incident as a planned terrorist attack should tell you something about the state of our government and their media bed partners.

Blade: I'll tell you what else is interesting:

2010 - Obama said "We are in the Summer of Recovery"

2011 - Obama said "We are in the Summer of Recovery"

2012 - Obama said "It's George Bush's fault"

Hmmmmmmm, just more excuses.........

Three more deaths. They are not just numbers, but someone's father, husband or son.

And they've died for what? Taxpayer funded muscle to keep the corporations mining natural resources safe from those who don't want them there.

There is no boogeyman; there never has been. The only possible boogeyman has turned out to be us.

The U.S. needs to pick out a village that is considered a Taliban stronghold and flatten it to the ground with two Daisy Cutters to send a message to the animals that consequences are going to be paid in Afghan blood.

The U.S. needs to pick out a village that is considered a Taliban stronghold and flatten it to the ground with two Daisy Cutters to send a message to the animals that consequences are going to be paid in Afghan blood.

Do you really think they care? They're looking forward to their virgins.

We just need to get the hell out of there. American lives and our national debt are far more important than any contrived boogeyman.

Debi: Your comment reminded me of a joke:

Abu al-Zarqawi died and George Washington met him at the Pearly Gates. He slapped him across the face and yelled, "How dare you try to destroy the nation I helped conceive!"

Patrick Henry approached, punched him in the nose and shouted, "You wanted to end our liberties but you failed!"

James Madison followed, kicked him in the groin and said, "This is why I allowed our government to provide for the common defense!"

Thomas Jefferson was next, beat al-Zarqawi with a long cane and snarled "It was Evil men like you who inspired me to write the Declaration of Independence."

The beatings and thrashings continued as George Mason, James Monroe and 66 other early Americans unleashed their anger on the terrorist Leader.

As al-Zarqawi lay bleeding and in pain, an Angel appeared. Al- Zarqawi wept and said, "This is not what you promised me."

The Angel replied, "I told you there would be 72 Virginians waiting for you in Heaven. What did you think I said?"

LOL.

lol,now thats a funny joke.i will have to remember that one probusiness

The worst of all , is that our soldier don't even know what they are fighting for. Obama has no goal , just retreat with our tails betweenthe legs, because in the top of all that, he change the rules of engagement, our soldiers in hand of the enemy, shameful for a president whose political fraction always oppose the Military, are we winning losing or what , our soldiers deserve to know , what are they fighting for. In the meantime out soldiers are killed by those barbarians . Obama is not a Commanderin Chief , is a Community Organizer. This is why there is voting suppression for the Military. Obama can lose with the military absentee Ballot.

Obama has no goal.

To be fair to all self serving politicians, the "goals" of the wars beginning with Iraq (we could even go back to Vietnam), were red herrings.

OSAMA IS NOT DEAD!!!!!!

He lives on in these Neanderthals. Their terrorism is nothing new, they've been living this way for over 5,000 years and they will continue despite our, or anyone else’s, efforts. Their indoctrination has become genetic. There is no more common sense left in these subhuman’s just irrational beliefs that they read from a single book. Osama Porn Ladens death was purely symbolic for us and made no difference on the war on terror.

Afghanistan is known as the "Graveyard of Empires" for a reason. Regardless of reason they refuse to realize you can live by your faith without violence and murder. They live for a violent death. This is their tragic disconnect. As long as they allow this to continue neither our, or anyone else’s, beliefs will make a difference. Our effort has been more than adequate. As hard as we try, as much as we spend, as strong as our resolve is, they will not change.

We have tried appeasement to the point of embarrassing ourselves. We have changed the focus of war. We have altered our Rules of Engagement to the point of confusion. We have allowed politicalization to divide our nation. Political correctness does not work in war. There are only two results in war, victory and defeat. We have been defeated. As difficult as this is to accept, it's necessary and prudent at this point. Despite our massive effort the Middle East has exploded in violence and chaos. These people only understand force. When we retreated they sensed that and we see the results. It's time to admit our well fought defeat. This is not wrong. The solution to this region now is simple.

STOP all foreign aid to everyone other than our allies. You want our money? Earn it!

Order immediate carpet bombing of all the poppy fields and processing plants. We know where they are.

Begin the orderly withdrawal of all our troops and ordinances today. There is no sense waiting until 2014.

Open a new alliance with India and let the world know that their nuclear capabilities are available.

Define our allies, especially Israel, and inform the world they will receive our unrelenting support in the event of attack.

Upon returning home, and after a one month paid leave, hire any willing troops as border patrol agents, with full use of force if necessary, to protect our Republic.

Begin rebuilding OUR NATION!

Problem is that the West doesnt understand that Afghanistan is NOT a country, it is a place, whose maps were drawn by which ever occupying army happened to pass through. They are not bound by a belief system, a constitution or any sense of nationalism, just backwards tribes that are countries in their own right.

This place will never have a functioning government in the way we think of governments, so lets GTFO already, leave them to their own devices, stop sending them money when they hate us and dont want our way of life and lets patrol their borders with drones to make sure they dont get out! Enough already.

Allen-

GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF OBAMA"S AZZ! Obama himself said that Afghanistan was a war of necessity. He expanded the role. He surged the troops. He's been the losing Commander in Chief for that last 4 years. I'm sorry it tarnishes your Messiah's image and bums out your hero worship but IT"S OBAMA"S WAR, IT"S OBAMA"S FOREIGN POLICY, and IT"S OBAMA"S FAILURE AND LOSS. Get over it.

Upon returning home, and after a one month paid leave, hire any willing troops as border patrol agents, with full use of force if necessary, to protect our Republic.

Whoa there cowboy. Before the genie is totally and uncontrollably let out of the bottle without the ability to put it back, there needs to be a better law in place where "full use of force" is not allowed to be used against our Republic. If guarding our borders means "inside" our borders as it happens now, that's not protecting the Republic, it's controlling the Republic.

@ FatSean #1.4

Can we please finally accept what history warned us about in 2001 and LEAVE?! What a waste of time and treasure :(

@Debi-1314897 #1.23

Do you really think they care? They're looking forward to their virgins.

We just need to get the hell out of there. American lives and our national debt are far more important than any contrived boogeyman.

You mean just like we did in 1989? Yup, helped kick out the Ruskies, and in just a few peace filled years the repaid us in full at the World Trade Center. Yep, I am all for leaving these peaceful people all to themselves.

@justredd64 #1.6

Trying to win politically correct wars in not possible...they're doomed from the get go. These savages have been fighting longer than we have been a country by a long shot.....we can't change them neither can anyone else...all they know is killing and hate.

And THAT is the problem, I am sure that during WWII, "collateral damage was a 'concern', but today it is an all out anathema. God forbid we should kill an "innocent" Muslim. It is time to declare unlimited warfare on these un-evolved 'talking monkeys' (reference Wiley, Non-sequitor)

And somebody mentioned the "Resources of a Gravel Pit", actually, geologic studies have shown there may be large deposits of gold and Uranium there. I say we pull a Spanish Conquistador on them.

@ Pro Business #1.24

ROFLMAO....don't do that while I am drinking coffee, damn near had it all over my computer.

@Al718 #1.30

Problem is that the West doesnt understand that Afghanistan is NOT a country, it is a place, whose maps were drawn by which ever occupying army happened to pass through. They are not bound by a belief system, a constitution or any sense of nationalism, just backwards tribes that are countries in their own right.

You are absolutely correct. It is a collection of Tribes, not unlike (as my cousin, a Colonel in the Marines told me) a crime syndicate. With the Patriarch of each family collecting all the money, then dolling it out to who needs it, but keeping most of it for himself.

This place will never have a functioning government in the way we think of governments, so lets GTFO already, leave them to their own devices, stop sending them money when they hate us and dont want our way of life and lets patrol their borders with drones to make sure they dont get out! Enough already.

The trouble is, like the 9-11 attacks, it wasn't Afghans, but Saudis trained by Afghans that attacked us. How do we stop them training the next bunch? (I.E. Someone using Afghanistan as a training camp)

@ Jim Spence,

Upon returning home, and after a one month paid leave, hire any willing troops as border patrol agents, with full use of force if necessary, to protect our Republic.

Set up "No swim" or "No Hiking" zones on the south border? And let the return soldiers release some of that pent up PTSD? I think that is a very good idea.

DumbFarmBoy:

You mean just like we did in 1989? Yup, helped kick out the Ruskies, and in just a few peace filled years the repaid us in full at the World Trade Center. Yep, I am all for leaving these peaceful people all to themselves.

Get with the program. Looks like you're still believing we invaded Iraq to go after those responsible for 9/11. The supposed mastermind of 9/11 had been in the crosshairs of special forces several times early on and were ordered to stand down.

Keep believing the myth you're being spoonfed.

Set up "No swim" or "No Hiking" zones on the south border? And let the return soldiers release some of that pent up PTSD? I think that is a very good idea.

In turn, nothing like lessening the freedoms on THIS side of the border. Rolls eyes.

@Debi-1314897 #1.34

DumbFarmBoy:

You mean just like we did in 1989? Yup, helped kick out the Ruskies, and in just a few peace filled years the repaid us in full at the World Trade Center. Yep, I am all for leaving these peaceful people all to themselves.

Get with the program. Looks like you're still believing we invaded Iraq to go after those responsible for 9/11. The supposed mastermind of 9/11 had been in the crosshairs of special forces several times early on and were ordered to stand down.

Keep believing the myth you're being spoonfed.

Spoken like a true Liberal, Change the subject, Ignore the Facts and Marginalize or Name Call.

Just exactly when did I mention Iraq? If you knew your history you would know that the US helped the Mujahedin ("Afghan Freedom Fighters") expel the Soviet invaders in the '80s, by giving them weapons, aid and intelligence. This contributed to the rise of bin Laden, as he was one of the contacts we had, if my information is correct. (someone may need verify me on that) And when the Russians left, so did we.

And how did these people repay our efforts? They set up terrorist training camps. and aided in the 9/11 attacks. So, Can we leave these people to their own devices? History tells me, NO, we can not.

Who is being spoon fed What? Looks like you are being fed something, and smells like BS.

@ #1.35

In turn, nothing like lessening the freedoms on THIS side of the border. Rolls eyes.

And just exactly how would this "Lessen" freedoms on this side of the border? Did I say that foreigners could no longer apply for legal entry into this country?

Did you know that FDR deported 2 million Mexican Nationals in the '30s to help ease unemployment in this country? in '54 DDE deported 1.3 million. (Operation Wetback)

DumbFarmBoy:

Spoken like a true Liberal, Change the subject, Ignore the Facts and Marginalize or Name Call.

You're the self proclaimed expert in facts, please site where you were "Name Called".

And just exactly how would this "Lessen" freedoms on this side of the border?

Obviously you have no clue what is going on near our borders. I'm talking about checkpoints located miles INSIDE our borders and Americans who are daily being stopped and questioned, without suspicion or cause. I don't have to read about it, or get my information from governmental propaganda spins. I live it.

farmboy,good stuff keep it up.

@ Debi

My apologizes, I was merely listing the three tactics of a liberal. I did not mean to imply that you were name calling in this instance, Anyone who has been following this thread would know that you have not.

I was merely pointing out that you had changed the subject, to Iraq. And since I had pointed out the facts that we had helped the Afghanies and then they stabbed us in the back, I thought you had chose to ignore them.

And again I ask "How does my idea,(which would eliminate the need for those inland check points, btw) diminish rights in this country?" And my guess is, Americans are not be stopped and detained without suspicion or cause. I would hazard a guess that something caused suspicion and hence the questioning. I should hope that Border Agents have better things to do, than harass some poor liberal, but I could be wrong. Perhaps in doing their job it some how offended the persons in question, which led to derogatory statements, which led the BP to exercise more caution about allowing said persons into the country.

I have been out of the country on a couple of occasions, and each time I returned, I went through customs and was questioned and searched (or at least my luggage was). It is called security. And I find it reasonable. The constitution does not guarantee against searches, only UNREASONABLE (without reason) searches and since I had been out of the country, they had a REASON to search my person and papers so to speak. So if one is returning from Mexico, a well known source of illegal drugs, I would, should expect that one has a high probability of getting searched and questioned.

@ Debi

Maybe I should clarify my idea or my addendum to Jim Spence's idea for you.

Set up "No swim" or "No Hiking" zones on the south border? And let the return soldiers release some of that pent up PTSD? I think that is a very good idea.

My idea is to set up a "DMZ" so to speak, a 200 yd wide zone between US and Mexico, clearly marked and delineated, into which no one can go. Get Veterans who are suffering PTSD, (yeah I know it ain't PC) and let them relieve a little stress on those who are dumb enough to enter those zones.

DumbFarmBoy:

And my guess is, Americans are not be stopped and detained without suspicion or cause.

Americans are being stopped without suspicion or cause. I (obviously anglo) was pulled over into "secondary", along with my mother (obviously anglo) and two grandchildren (who were also obviously anglo). My car tags were up to date and I was not violating any laws. They never did tell me why I was pulled over into secondary before letting me go on my way.

Even being ordered to stop at the checkpoint inside this country and questioned is unreasonable, but it is going on daily. I could understand if you are coming back into this country and being questioned; but not when you are already in this country and without reasonable cause.

The courts made a bad, political decision by allowing checkpoints inside this country, which is not uncommon for the courts to do. This is not supposed to be Nazi Germany.

I don't have a problem with your 200 yd wide zone idea, but I am totally against the checkpoints inside our own country.

And btw, not many liberals support the Second Amendment as I do, so I don't like when I'm pigeonholed. I choose what I see as the right way and disregard the label.

@Debi-1314897 #1.37

DumbFarmBoy (Quite appropriate):

(this is from the Wild Horse article, and while not exactly name calling, it is a slight. I thought the other readers here should see the whole story. And maybe fully understand the comments posted at #1.39)

But I would agree with you that checkpoints inside the USA, stopping vehicles that have not been outside the borders is borderline un-Constitutional, given there are circumstances in which it is semi-valid for the state to stop and search vehicles (e.g. DUI check points). I am not fully aware of the circumstances of these check points, however, I am aware that commercial vehicles are subject to stops and searches at state borders.

Nor am I aware of when these check points were established, and under who's authority, state or federal.

DumbFarmBoy (Quite appropriate):

Just validating something you already stated.

As far as the DUI checkpoints, I believe those too are an infringement on our rights to unreasonable search and seizure. The rights of the innocent should not be infringed in order to search for suspected guilty.

Border checkpoints are under federal authority; good old "we can take away any right because we're conducting a war against the boogeyman terrorists" Department of Homeland Security.

Whoever and for whatever their reason, the perpetrators of 9/11 are clearly winning far beyond that one day in September 2001.

As far as the DUI checkpoints, I believe those too are an infringement on our rights to unreasonable search and seizure. The rights of the innocent should not be infringed in order to search for suspected guilty.

Hence the, "borderline un-Constitutional, given there are circumstances in which it is semi-valid" quote, not sure how far "Public Safety" should be allowed to reach. My opinion is not as far as it has.

Border checkpoints are under federal authority; good old "we can take away any right because we're conducting a war against the boogeyman terrorists" Department of Homeland Security.

Sorry, not much I can do about it, other than agree it sucks.

Whoever and for whatever their reason, the perpetrators of 9/11 are clearly winning far beyond that one day in September 2001.

Muslim Extremist. Or in my opinion Muslims, period. IF The Muslim countries are not willing to put blood and treasure at risk, as does the US, in stopping these extremists, then I say they are as culpable as the those that use their name. Just like people involved in a robbery in which a murder is committed, if they did nothing to stop the murder, the are guilty of the murder.

But we can't do that in this Politically Corrected Country, now can we? Islam is in a war against us, it is time we recognized it.

Islam is in a war against us, it is time we recognized it.

If that is true, why do you think it is?

Islamic terrorists have been at work all over the world for the last 60 years or so, at various levels of activity in that period.

Has any major Islamic country (Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, etc.) ever dedicated the level of involvement or effort in stopping it, as has the US or Europe?

I liken it to the early days of Germany in the late '30's, did any of the Germans stop Hitler and the Gestapo and the persecution of Jews (of course it is a slightly different scenario, where Hitler imprisoned any opponents, of course these are nations and are not subject to imprisonment)

So, until these major nations jump in and help stop these terrorists, I will have to presume they are on the side of the terrorists, and are therefore just as culpable.

Let us not forget that in the 70s/80s the USA was fomenting dissent and dissorder in Afghanistan. We armed and funded rebel groups that threw the nation into disarray.

To say the Afghans don't like the USA would be an understatement. We've been meddling in their affairs for decades. 9/11 was inevitable.

@FatSean,

Let us not forget that in the 70s/80s the USA was fomenting dissent and dissorder in Afghanistan. We armed and funded rebel groups that threw the nation into disarray.

Let us not forget that Afghanistan was a nation in 'disarray' for a long time before our boots were ever on the ground there. It's nothing new under the sun.

We should have been out of there 9 years ago.

Go in, kill or capture the bad guys, go home.

Occupation didn't work for the Soviet Union, why didn't we learn from their mistakes.

@ FatSean

Let us not forget that in the 70s/80s the USA was fomenting dissent and dissorder in Afghanistan. We armed and funded rebel groups that threw the nation into disarray.

To say the Afghans don't like the USA would be an understatement. We've been meddling in their affairs for decades. 9/11 was inevitable.

Let us not forget that the reason we gave them those weapons was to HELP them expel a foreign aggressor (who was there under the guise of helping in a coup).

No, I have to go with American defender on this one, the country was already in disarray. And I would like to see your source on the "Fomenting dissent and disorder"

And we left them alone after they expelled the Soviets. and how did they repay our generosity? they trained the animals that killed thousands of civilians world wide.

So, Let us not forget, that we can not leave these people to their own devices.

And I am with NJhome on this one, with two caveats, Go in, Kill most of them, and tell the others we'll be back if they don't behave. Then go home.

I don't seem to remember Obama getting us into that mess. Calls to pull out are met with complaints in some circles. Now he takes a hit for not getting involved with Iraq.

Some people must have a stake in military spending to want another conflict. This is what happens when you charge in with no idea how to get out.

R.Scalzo...I DO seem to remember right after 911, then Senator Barrack Obama VOTED to go to war..So in a sence this IS HIS war, just like its yours and mine,wether we like it or not..You have to look no further than the first gulf war to see the reason there are complaints of resistance to pull out..Remember when Bush Senior had his boot on the throat of Saddam the first time and the cry of the world was to let him go because we had already achieved the goal of liberating Kuwait?..If he would have been allowed to finish the job the first time, we might not have been in this mess right now..

Where are Feisty & Beverly's comments on this article?

Love how they pick & choose which articles to comment on.

The blood is on Obama's hands.

Excerpted from a quote by General William T. Sherman, who also said, "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want."

From your post, Jim, it sounds like like you ran into one of my own problems. Sometimes when trying to make a comment about this war, or about Congress, in spite of an extensive vocabulary and good education background....

I just choke on sufficient derogratory words to describe the utter contempt and loathing I feel for them.

My sincere apologies to the family and friends of the murdered men, and my heartfelt condolences.

The remedie is simple, VOTE EM OUT!

Jim,

You are not alone in your sentiments. Beware the Government Military industrial complex! Now there is a third player, BEWARE THE GOVERNMENT-MEDIA-MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!

Fight to win a war, or bring the troops home. Our brave Soldiers/Marines/Airman/Sailors are not meant to police goat herders.

My sympathy goes out to the families who's loved ones paid the ultimate sacrifice for their country.

The sad part is every brave soldier that has given their life to these idiots was for nothing.Just look at it this way, WW1 and 2, every soldier that died gave his or her life for an actual reason, like he or she died from an actual enemy that can be identified.Now we are basically sending our troops to afghan to be blown up by a coward whom waits for a good opportunity to sneak an explosion on them.Honestly where is their honor in that? At least the troops can be proud of what they do.But I can not see being proud of a bunch of guys who can't face us like men.So why have our troops over there to die? Honestly this country has a strong military but our government has room for improvement if you ask me.

Wake up now!:

Now there is a third player, BEWARE THE GOVERNMENT-MEDIA-MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!

Actually there are 4. The crony capitalist Corporations.

Congress is the only ones to blame here? I think not ... the Commander In Chief is the HMFIC in that regard. He hasn't brought our military back within our boarders because he chose not to ... make no mistake about that!!!

And who exactly sent us there? You can't blame Obama for something the Republicscum did. They sent them over there and Obama WILL bring them back. IF Mittens gets elected, lol, he'll only get them out so he can send them into the war HE so desperately wants to start.

Which war does Romney "desperately want to start"?

Please cite his specific comments that support this.

@No2012 - Romney wants to go to war with Iran to stop them from completing their nuclear bomb. He complains enough about the President and, from what Romney says, the President's inability to stop Iran. Romney's just another paid flunky for the military industrial complex.

Deep breaths, rightwingscrewball.

I said "another" paid flunky. That's another in addition to EVERYBODY else in Washington, D.C. - our wonderful elected officials. ('wonderful' said with tongue in cheek)

My answer to No2012 was in response to his question about what war Romney desperately wanted to start.

Patthehockeyfan..Let me ask you a question...In your opnion, do you think that it would be in the WORLDS best intrest if we have a necular armed Iran??..Do you NOT think those crazy bastards would use them??..They have already said that Israel is the scum of the earth and need to be "wiped off the face of the earth"..along with the rest of the western world..And I'm almost positive that "rest of the western world" included us....I'll tell you what..I'll save your posting here and in about 10 years, right before an all out nucular war starts because we sat flat on our hand and let Iran get the bomb..I'll post it again here and remind you of your words..What little good that will do.

Okay. One more time, Blade-865322. @No2012 asked what war Romney desperately wanted to start. I answered him. I didn't express an opinion whether I thought attacking Iran was a good thing or not. Romney wants to start another war in the Middle East. That's the answer to No2012's question. That's all I did. Answer his / her question.

Barack Obama told the United Nations General Assembly Tuesday.

“Make no mistake: A nuclear-armed Iran is not a challenge that can be contained. It would threaten the elimination of Israel, the security of Gulf nations, and the stability of the global economy. It risks triggering a nuclear-arms race in the region, and the unraveling of the non-proliferation treaty,” he said.

“That’s why a coalition of countries is holding the Iranian government accountable. And that’s why the United States will do what we must to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon,” he added.

This was said by the person with his finger on the, Attack or nuclear option button...

Not some want-to-be POTUS, politician known for shipping jobs over-seas and avoiding Military service...

Of the three choices, NO Action is the worst...

There has been almost constant War in the ME sense the formation of Israel as a Nation. Do you really want the players to have nuclear weapons, without any controls from the outside (US & Israel)???

Iraq sold & shipped 500+tones of nuclear material to Canada, after the Iraq invasion of 2002...

TheAZCowBoy, Tombstone, AZ.

Settle down, when Obama gets finished with what he set out to do. We will have our people back home & using prayer rugs several times a day. If we could just be nicer to these people & give them more money, they would be our friends. Obama will have them seeing things our way. Just wait & see. We just don't understand these peace loving people. Iran is another peace loving country that we need to nuzzle up to. Someday we will all be able to hold hands & sing Kom-bi-ya while a double rainbow is overhead.

Calling it the day in return for another 9/11 attack?

happy2008

Calling it the day in return for another 9/11 attack?

911 happened because we were bombing the crap out of them...read a history book.

TV Missle...Bombing whom?

TV - How many Afghans have been killed by our increasing number of drone attacks under Obama? Does that qualify as "bombing the crap out of them"?

How CIA spies deal death from the skies: Thousands killed by U.S. unmanned drones (as the survivors are driven in to the arms of Al Qaeda)

Attacks by drones were not at first controversial. In the beginning, according to a regularly updated survey by the Democrat inclined New America Foundation, they were also relatively rare: a total of just nine strikes over the period 2004-2007, with estimates as to the number killed ranging between 89 and 112. In 2008, however, their frequency increased dramatically: there were 34 attacks that year, which left between 273 and 313 dead.

Meanwhile, local sources suggested that Pakistan is already coming to terms with the possibility that the worst-case scenarios for Afghanistan will come to pass, in which case Pakistan will need its own drone technology. They said they are already working on acquiring it - with the help of another emerging great power: China...

reference - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377611/How-CIA-spies-deal-death-skies-Thousands-killed-U-S-unmanned-drones.html

The latest total numbers of deaths are now between 1877 and 3187.. see http://counterterrorism.newamerica.net/drones

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proudamericanveteran

I agree 100% . Either let our boys open up with their weapons or bring them home. I can't imagine what goes though their minds wondering if the next SOB that you come in contact with you is friend or foe.

The troulbe with any conflict since and including Korea, politicians have limited what the military does,,,,When you go into a place to take out the enemy your go whole hog or not at all...In Korea, McArthur pushed the North Koreans up to the Yaloo(sp) river, Truman then said to pull back..the pull back got X thousands killed till they got back to the 38th parallel....Vietnam,,,,politicians said we could only defend SDouth Vietnam, we could not cross the boarder between N, and S. nor could we go into Cambodia,,,In Iraq 1, same thing just push Saddam out of Kuwait, should have finished the job then....Afgahnistan, the enemy is also in Pakistan,,,can't go there either...so when the politicians screw you, you know your screwed....

Trying to win politically correct wars in not possible...they're doomed from the get go. These savages have been fighting longer than we have been a country by a long shot.....we can't change them neither can anyone else...all they know is killing and hate.

Look at the opium, and follow the money. You'll find your answer.

Because it was more important for Obama to secure the gay vote by signing the bill to allow same sex marriages and entrance into the military.

There is nothing left to accomplish, hasn't been for a long time now.

Remember who sent them there? BUSH. You all blame Obama for something he never started. Grow the F++K up.

The military and civilians in the Pentagon pushed the Gay movement in order to have enough recruits to replace the attrition they have without having to pay more sign up bonuses or have a partial draft.

Okay Bob - If the whole CF is Bush's fault and it was one big mistake, why didn't Obama order immediate withdrawal in Jan 09?

No2012,

Ok, all you instant foreign policy experts: just what would you be squealing if Obama would have ordered immediate withdrawal in January '09? Maybe "Cut 'n Run" or "Freedom isn't Free", or other such moronic phrases that keep your juices flowing so freely. No matter what leaders do, you chronic critics are going to claim to know more about how to run the world than they do. Gotta' feed your little egos somehow, I guess.

Ohio BOB McQ and others with short memories,

Dec 2001 - POTUS George Bush and PM Blair of the UK, turned the Afghanistan 'Nation Building' over to the UN and 52+other countries...

It was Obama that changed; who was in charge and doubled and then doubled again the US Troop levels, in Afghanistan. Then fired his hand picked Generals when they questioned his POLITICAL policies..

"But we must never forget. This is not a war of choice," he told the VFW crowd. "This is a war of necessity. Those who attacked America on 9/11 are plotting to do so again."

Mr. Obama told 5,500 members, families and guests of the Veterans of Foreign Wars at their annual convention here. "That is why I announced a new, comprehensive strategy in March (2009)," the president told the welcoming but subdued crowd.

Reference - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125054391631638123.html

The same thing happened in Libya, Obama placed the USA as the lead force during the conflict. While telling the US Citizens there were NO US Troops on the ground. As Libya unravels and more US Citizens are killed, the real TRUTH is being revealed...

BTY - I did my 26+in the US Marines, made my trips to Iraq, and have traveled the world sense then. You have done WHAT to make you a foreign adviser???

lololol Desperate is as Desperate does!!

We should have never been there in the first place. Does that mean, since the gay vote is ready, that YOU'LL be voting?

And, I might add to that the fact that the Israeli's took terrorism to an all new level when they decided that terrorizing the British there just in Palestine wasn't working and started bombing London everywhere they could. In 1948, the British decided it wasn't worth their trouble and gave them their independance. Quite the message to the Arab and Persian world that terrorism really does work.

I agree 101%

That is just so lame its absurd. They could come over here anytime irregardless of events there. They know where we live. That stupid statement was a Bush 'excuse' to wage war. That paranoid assumption has already cost us over 2,000 American lives just in Afghanistan alone. We made our point when we killed bin Laden. We should've packed up and un-assed the AO immediately afterwards.

Burt. One cannot release tax returns if you did not file. Google it.

Romney, The Conscientious Objector Commander in-Chief.

Romney took advantage of the law when he avoided the draft, just like Biden did, and Biden participated in Anti-segragetion demonstration(s) and is an alcoholic...says alot for him now doesn't it....so dont jump on Romney till you look at the idiot who is just one heartbeat away from being Pres...

Big Burt

Mr. Romney has already revealed MORE than required. He doesn't have to show any more. In fact if I had been him I would have said that I would not release anything until Obama released his REAL birth certificate, vital records, the passport he used when he came to our country from Indonesia, etc..

Obama is worse than a felon, he is a traitor. He says the deaths of our soldiers is just a bump in the road. He has attempted to eliminate the first amendment from our constitution and is trying to gain full control of the internet. He is a communist and is try to convert our country into a communist country.

Being politically correct is the first stumbling block when going to war....it cannot work, we were never prepared to WIN either war by the means necessary to win..same as Nam and Korea...WWII was the last time we intended to win a war....it is costly, we seem to have lost the nerve, or something, to win at war.

The US is said to have 63,000 troops left there. Historically 15% would be combat troops. To do something on the scale RT Colorado suggests one of the author's recommends, I don't think the USA would have enough actual combat troops. 80% of the total military is not combat troops.

WAKANI, i for one am not willing to lose anyone in afghanistan, obviously you are not in the Military, just shut up!!!

wakani you are an idiot, just because you JOIN the US Military, you DO NOT have a say in where you are deployed, You get your orders and you go, very few people would volunteer to go into a warzone, BUT since the did apply for the job of a US Serviceman/woman, they go where they are told, if you refuse to deploy, and do not show up at your assigned duty station, you are a deserter, desrtion during the time of war is punishable by DEATH. oh abd your commander in grief sucks. he should be in AFGH/LIBYA/EGYPT, let him stand a watch, thats right, he doesnt know how, he never did anything more than hold welfare rallys in Chi-Town