Lavrov can dump the reset button when Romney wins in November. Screw the Russians!

SCREW you Putin.

Russia is to America like the Republicans are to the Democrats.

Hate to point this out but how is Russia sending gunships to Syria fundamentally different than US sending tanks and fighter jets to Saudi Arabia, which is also a dictatorship and us one that supports the Wahabbist movement?

If Russia cared one Iota about us gas would not four and five $$

Sure folks, push the EASY button by rattling swords rather than push the HARD button task of rolling up our diplomatic sleeves to achieve peace. We are spending more than the next five largest economies in the world on Defense. 700 billion per year could eliminate starvation and death from treatable childhood diseases. But no, you would rather feed Haliburton and General Dynamics etc.

I know you hate Obama and that's fine. But, don't throw any tool into the White House just because you don't like the guy.

Funny argument. This is the only reason Obama won in the first place. Do you think Obama can relate to any single hard working American? The fact that Romney is successful is supposed to be some sort of bad thing? Maybe you should educate yourself a little before you vote. I highly recommend taking Masters level ecomomics course. You'd never consider voting liberal again.

How stupid do these fools look pressing a fake button? Can you imagine doing something like that with companies you do business with? It would definitely cause our business partners to pause and wonder if we are mentally challenged. I can't speak for other companies.

More failed policy by Hillary and her boss. We aren't doing any better around the world in terms of leadership than we are at home. Not many positives when you look at Obama's record. Those who do better in down times are the only one's better off today. The rest of us are no better off or actually worse off than before Obama took office. Our relations with our friends and enemies alike are strained so i don't have that warm fuzzy feeling that Obama is our savior. I am not blinded by empty unobtainable campain promises. If any of his supporter actually tried to find actual ways his plans were going to work you would not find one shread of evidence he has a clue. He says he will increase tuition assitance. He HAS DONE THE OPPOSITE. He says he will reduce the deficit. HE HAS DONE OPPOSITE. He says he will lower unemployment and create jobs. He HAS DONE THE OPPOSITE. He said he could end gridlock in Washington. He HAS DONE THE OPPOSITE.

I voted for Obama in 2008 hoping finally we had someone who could change Washington and make some positive things happen. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA AGAIN. I am not that impressed with Romney either but we now have a track record for Obama and I don't want to think about where this president will take us with 4 more years of this type of leadership. He claimed himself if he couldn't do what he promised he should not be re-elected. If he truely felt that way he would bow out of the race but he is not a man of charactor. Just a man of words and no way of backing them up

Forget Russia, they keep pointing fingers at us like we are some kinda third world country, who the hell do they think we are? Ukraine?

These are times I wish Ronald Reagan was still President, he's the only guy I could remember that stepped on their balls, and real hard they couldnt point fingers....

These 5"1' dictators need to understand we have bigger dicks out here....

To hell with the evil empire...Glashnov my ass

Funny, I would have thought at least the Dems would see this story and say "what was I thinking?" but I am sure they back this sea hag and her poor attempt at having an "easy button" ... which by the way was an ingenious thought....wonder if she thought of that herself.....wait no staples did, nevermind.

Russia, the one power that could create a situation for the US that we would not be able to recover from, is telling the US that we are and have been screwing up and they are about sick of it. The Dems "oh Russia still wants to be friends, lets send Hillary over there and keep relations with them" and when it all comes crashing down they will do what they always do instead of blaming the true problem: they will blame the repubs. Sound about right? I am sure there are those that will come up with many whiney comments as to why the Dems are superior blah blah blah. Look at the facts and realize it is not only Obama that is the problem....it is you as well.

I think that we are in a bad position for this election, regardless who is put into office and if there was a block "none of the above" that would get my vote but then the "juice drinkers" would win with a landslide (you know with all of those voters that are in caskets and all). We are screwed overall folks, no matter what direction the elections take us.

Obama is far more concerned with pacifying Muslims and their love of radical Islam then anything else in foreign policy. Obama skips intelligence briefings and goes to Vegas to campaign the day our ambassador is murdered, as if he cares about Russia. Russia is no longer a true super power so there is less incentive to patronize them, but at the same time Obama is doing his best to bring the US down to where Russia, China, and probably Iran will easily be able to go toe to toe with us.

Mr. Clarkson, feel free to check the statistics on the states and people receiving the MOST government assistance. It isn't liberals that "foodstamps and welfare are taking care of." (source: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-08-18/politics/30039546_1_blue-states-federal-taxes-red-states)

NONE of us (most Americans) "want a Socialist country" in the absolute sense, but the best systems of governance contains elements of both Capitalism and Socialism. Public highways, roads, energy infrastructure, communications infrastructure, libraries, public schools, etc. are examples of socialism. Not a single private business can survive without them. And since private businesses pay taxes, they are effectively helping to support their own growth opportunities via MORE infrastructure and education of potential workers.

The only "re-set" Putin cares about is Obama crushing development of our fossil fuel reserves and allow continued chaos in the middle east (think Syria, Iran, Libya...). When Romney becomes president he will provide us an energy policy that makes us energy independent. That is Putin's worst nightmare since his regime is entirely dependent on high world oil prices and an unstable middle east to perpetuate high oil prices. Putin's strategy depends on a compliant Obama whose dream is to impose massive taxes on fossil fuels and prevent development of our massive oil and gas reserves.

When Romney becomes president we can tell all those tin pot islamist fools in the middle east they are free to kill each other like they did for centuries before we tried to civilize them. Without Obamas "flexibility after the election" to tax the energy sources we as a nation depend on the bring manufacturing back here, Putin's middle east lackeys will no longer be able to stir up trouble and drive up oil prices. With less money from oil his regime will fail and Russians will be free to prosper. That's the real "re-set" Russians need. Its also why Putin and the middle east Islamo terrorists hope Obama wins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ztdhBMafvs

Obama Caught "On Mic" Off Mic with Russian President !

Nearly 4 years ago the new president had NO experience in foreign policy and he has messed up quite a lot, got an ambassador killed by denying needed security, added a lot to the death toll in Afg, promised to close Gitmo .not..........this list is long and infamous..but for sure we have bowed to islam...but i do remember seals team 6 did get the ok to shoot.

When it comes to matters of intricate foreign policy such as this, Obama is in so far over his head it's almost embarrassing.

We'd be in a lot of trouble if he didn't have the Clintons watching out for him.

And,some of you want to put this guy back in office for another four years?

Please...........

Putin and Medvedev have forgotten more propaganda than Barrack Hussein could ever learn.

Hillary may understand this, but Barrack is clueless. Russias continuing support for Syria, Iran, North Korea and human rights violations should dismiss any further "talks". As Russias influence over Europe continues to expand with their control of more and more energy resources, they will influence as they always have, by coercion.

As the European Union is our biggest trade partner, any negotiations must be centered around the economic implications. We already insulted them with our submission on strengthening missile defense systems for Eastern Europe. If Barracks thinly veiled comment to Medvedev about giving him "space" until after the election to give him "more flexibility" is any indicator, he may leave our European allies and side with the Russians.

As much as Barrack Hussein and the bleeding-heart Liberals don't want to admit, Romney is right. Russia is one of our most significant geopolitical foes. If anyone thinks any of their negotiations whatsoever will be about "fairness" or a "level playing field" needs to go back to their history books. Just as China opposes our radar defenses in Japan, these should be indicators of concern. If both these superpowers want constructive negotiations, any protections we help our allies with should not be a concern.

These dictatorships, just like all others, only understand strength. Our continuing weakness in foreign policy and economic struggles makes us appear vulnerable. We need no nonsense leadership that strengthens us and our allies. With the recent debacles in Libya and the Middle East, we're not getting it from this administration.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 for real Americans

This whole reset button seems like something our stupid HR lady would do.

It wasn't that long ago that Russia and the US had their fingers on the "launch button". We even coined new words in English, like mutually assured destruction, star wars defense strategy, and etc. I think it's great when two super-powers can exchange a "reset" button for a "launch" button. Besides, maintaining a military to fight a cold war is much more expensive than maintaining a military to chase down camels in the Middle East and Afghanistan. In the end, it's much better to have Russia standing with us, than having them stand against us. Despite all of the Human Rights issues that Russia and other communist states have, they ARE growing economically faster than the US and the rest of the West. What Russia is really telling us is that we can't ride the technology wave forever thinking it will be our salvation. It's been easy for Russia and China to acquire Western Technology and get it work for them better than it does for us. Hacking into White House computers is just a small example.

Yet, another example of the failed policies of Obama. Yes, we have killed a lot of Terrorists along with civilians in our drone attacks, but his weakness and apologetic tone to foreign countries only shows his lack of understanding of how the rest of the world views the United States. Just look at the uprisings in the Middle East recently, they no longer respect the USA. His comment about addressing the Russia issues after his re-election was fortunately for us premature. Once Romney is elected, he will address the foreign policy issues much better than Obama has and and he definitely won't be apologizing for the Greatest Country in the World.

Independents for Romney/Ryan 2012!

Hate to tell ya but if Mitt gets elected we can count on WW3 shortly after. He still thinks we are in a cold war with them.

and get off Hiliarys back..shes just doing her job. You try going around the world talking to all these idiots who are in charge of the wacked out countries out there. She has knowledge of how most of them work from experience. What can you say that she doesnt already know?

Could you do a better job? If so then step up!

Russians upset that the US is going to become a major natural gas player and then they can't charge everyone out the a** for political advantage.

Hmmmm......

I'd pick Romney over Obama... WHY? Lessor of the two evils. Romney wouldn't take shyt.. Obama wants to appease most and kiss other countries politically correct booty. Screw that.

As far as Ivan goes...... Screw Ivan... They don't care about anything, damn communist a-holes. They don't care what happens as long as they can sell arms to countries who are killing there own people their fine with that Idiology... Look back at Stalin if you're asking yourself "Well what does he mean?"

Lets see, Putin said he would vote for Obama, Ahmadinejad said he would vote for Obama, Chavez said he would vote for Obama........

Economics aside, thats a perfect reason not to vote for Obama.

They actually had a photo op for pushing a symbolic button? What a ridiculous image. That remind me of an episode of Lancelot Link secret chimp from way back when.

In retrospect perhaps they should have made it a "pause" button because, like issues with China, in 3 1/2 years Obama and Hillary have managed to just put business with Russia on hold so a better man, with what will undoubtedly be a better choice for secretary of state, to deal with them.

On the upside...The administration successfully deported the Russian spies that were planted in the US. Perhaps Barack will mention that as high point of his administration.

So, Russia got sucked in by the hope and change like everyone else. At least they're realizing that Obama is all talk. Unlike the idiots that still support Obama.

@I. M. Moroni

In the end, it's much better to have Russia standing with us, than having them stand against us.

And you think that's what is happening now??? Russia and Putin are giving us the bird and laughing at how pathetic our Leader is when it comes to world affairs and forgien policy. Hard to remember an administration so inept in this area; the only shocking thing is how many people have been conned into believing the opposite.

JimSpence,

I can't agree with your "might makes right" philosophy. Rattling bloody sabers in front of the Russians and Chinese doesn't work like it does in the Western World. Technologically they are equal to us. Economically they are superior to us and growing rapidly. They also don't have to bear the expense of keeping Islamist terrorists in check. Actually, our differences with Russia and China are parochial compared to our differences with Islamist radicals who get most of our atterntion nowadays. Resetting and building better relationships with the Russian and Chinese is the wave of the 21st century for the US. Raising the rhetoric and making threats as Romney does is very "retro". It may have worked for Presidents Kennedy and Reagan, but, for sure, Russia won't be bluffed again.

@Spencer-399802

So, Russia got sucked in by the hope and change like everyone else.

No, Russia saw it for what it was. An opportunity to walk all over us and thumb their noses at anything we might want with total impunity. Putin has been around WAY too long to fall for any nonsense by our Apologizer-in-Chief.

Barry is clueless and in over his head with foreign affairs. No other leaders trust him and his muslim slant is obvious to all. Time to boot him out for the good of our country.

Hendy329,

apologizing for the Greatest Country in the World

Who's told you that America is the Greatest Country in the World? What is the "metric" for this conclusion? Is it the same metric used by King George III of England? For many years it was said that the sun never sets on the British Empire. Is America great because of the Appollo or Shuttle programs? Both have been decommisioned for years now. Is it really McDonalds, Coca-Cola, Hollywood, and Facebook that makes the US so great? Please tell us what the secret is with America that makes it so great.

AlexTheBlade

"Lavrov said there was a distorted image of Russia in the West..."

HOW MANY TIMES is it now that Russia has played the obstructionist when the 'West' votes as one on sanctions and security issues? Syria is only the LAST example.

How many times as the USA used the veto card for Israel? Russia is on the security council and they can use the veto card as well.

Lavrov: you need to get out more often - like the news reports that 'Russia doesn't care about people as long as they can sell helicopter gunships to their dictator/gov leadership' does. DOH!

Like we don't sell weapons LMAO, we are the biggest arms dealer in the world. Get off your morally high wannabe horse when we are the biggest hypocrites out there.

Russia needs to relax, if Barak Hussein Obama gets re-elected he plans to disarm the US entirely leaving Russia to rule the world beside China.

One and Done.

I take it this is another "deflection" article? Most of us don't care about the Russians. We are also certain Obama has been a failure in foreign policy, just like this article proves. Yes, he came into the office with no experience. Unfortunately, after 4 years he's not doing any better. Just another in a long list of reasons to vote Obama OUT in November. There is no real purpose for extending the failure.

When Romney wins this Nov. he will more then likely tap Condi Rice for her service once again, and unlike hagilary clinton Rice will get the world back in line.

I have an employee from the ex-USSR. This person loves this country (USA). But he/she would know, that whoever the Russians hated in office (President), was good for the USA. After talking to this person about the Russia and Europe, you all don't know how good you have it here. I do not want to live like them across the pond, sorry but socialism SUCKS.

myspellcheckerisbroken

How stupid do these fools look pressing a fake button

Spellchecker I'm just glad they didn't accidently push the "LAUNCH" button.

Irony - Robert Clarkson accusing libs of being lazy while his post is full of spelling errors and lack of punctuation. If you are going to accuse a group of people of being lazy, at least make it appear you are somewhat intelligent and know how to use and speak the English language. Someone must have been sleeping during basic 4th grade English class.

I know more republicans on welfare and food stamps than libs and their argument is always the same - "I don't want to live in a socialist country." In my line of work, the ones receiving the most from government are the ones complaining the loudest.

@I. M. Moroni

Who's told you that America is the Greatest Country in the World?

The 38.5 million (legal) immigrants who choose to live here.

I.M - Name one that is Greater!

@ Gtouch

Excellent point. We should have more of these buttons made for politicians and leaders of other countries and pass them off as launch buttons. You can all but guarantee at least one of them will believe that it's real.

I. M. Moron- If you don't get why America is the greatest country in the world than you probably don't belong here!!! Enjoy Russia, china or hey hot foot it on down to Mexico!!!! They'd love to rob and beat you and if they don't kill ya they'll find a nice cozy prison to house you in!!!!!! And don't let the door hit you on the butt on the way out!!!!!

I love how all of these people say "when Romney becomes President". IF Romney becomes President, this will be a non-issue because he will have INSULTED everyone and we (America) will be in more wars. In which case, I will tell our Mr. (and I use that term loosely) Romney to send ALL of his sons with their guns to fight those wars.

Obama is not my choice either, but he is the lesser of two evils, and the other is VERY, VERY EVIL.

The thing that bothers me the most is why does he have to wait until after the election to do what ever it is he plans on doing. Is it something so bad for America that he can't present it to us until after he is re-elected. For a man that claimed he wanted a transparent WH he sure runs around leaving us ALL in the dark ALL the time.

Reset button???.. Looks more like the stapes reorder ink button!! ,Is nOT that a company Romney saved??!!! .How many did obama save, .. OH yeh, NOT ONE, he is wrecking the economy and killing jobs with the down fall of the middle-class!!

border: you should check the news. Staples is going under. And yes, romney is to blame.

I. M. Moroni

JimSpence,

I can't agree with your "might makes right" philosophy. Rattling bloody sabers in front of the Russians and Chinese doesn't work like it does in the Western World. Technologically they are equal to us. Economically they are superior to us and growing rapidly.

Yes, and why are they superior to us?

Because once we ended the Cold war we became inundated in Liberalism/Progressivism. We have become a dysfunctional nation because of political correctness. All political correctness does is make you weak, thin-skinned, and superficially “tolerant” because you don’t want to “offend” anyone. The day we started hyphenating our nationality we were doomed. There are no African-Americans or Hispanic-Americans, there are only Americans. If you can’t deal with that go back to Africa or Mexico or wherever you came from, or claim to have come from.

We have spent trillions of hard earned dollars on useless “wars”. Not the wars you Liberals decry, our social wars. The wars on illiteracy, crime, drugs and poverty have been abject failures. Most importantly our Public Education system is an embarrassment. We spend more than any nation, other than Switzerland, on education and we consistently rank in the bottom third in reading, math and science. The teachers unions have corrupted our children’s futures on the backs of our education system and now the rest of the world is passing us by in the 21^st century. What gains we make we surrender under dysfunctional trade agreements where we have to “share” our intellectual property to gain trade. Our education system is so dysfunctional we have to immigrate foreigners to fill critical labor positions because most Americans read at an 8^th grade level, can’t use--there, their or they’re--correctly in a sentence and can’t calculate 30% of 440 in their heads.

Our war on poverty is even more criminal. We have spent more than $17 trillion on the poor. In 1965 our poverty level was 14%, today it is 15.1% (14.3% excluding recessionary effects). This is a tremendous social, moral and economic strain on our society. Instead of making poverty more comfortable we need to concentrate on bringing these poor, illiterate, directionless Americans out of their mediocrity. Obviously our disastrous education system is the main cause of poverty, yet we allow it to continue. It is estimated that the 30% of students who dropped out of high school in 2007 have cost us more than $300 billion in lost wages, lost taxes and lost productivity. We will spend over $700 billion on education and nearly $1 trillion on poverty this year. I guarantee you none of this will help either problems.

If you don’t think the Chinese, Russia, Iran and others aren’t watching as our great Republic collapses under the weight of Liberalism and Progressivism, you’re not paying attention. They sense weakness as we ignore the most important aspects of our nations security and concentrate on women’s contraceptives, gay marriage or Mitt Romneys taxes. They’ve been laughing at us for decades as they watch us try to appease the world and in the meantime fail ourselves.

I do agree with needing to reset our relationships with Russia and China, but it can only happen if we lead from the front, NOT from behind.

This quote from Nikita Krushchev, although of questionable origin, should make us all take a deep look at where our great Republic is heading:

"You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright. But we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you finally wake up and find you already have communism. We won't have to fight you; we'll so weaken your economy until you fall like overripe fruit into our hands."

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 for real Americans

and the liberals criticized Netanyahu for his red line drawing.......but its OK for Hillary to press a toy reset button? Oh the hypocrisy!

When dealing with a US President with the foreign policy understanding and naivete of a 5 yr old, a drawing is very appropriate. Too bad it still went over his head, maybe he should try crayons next time!

JimSpence

Thank you for a great post. You managed to put it all into perspective. Anyone that didn't read it because you thought it was too long please go back and read post #1.53, it could just open your eyes to where we are headed.

Instead of obummer hitting the 'reset' button, he needs to do 'crtl-alt-del'.

JimSpence,

I do agree with needing to reset our relationships with Russia and China, but it can only happen if we lead from the front, NOT from behind.

Leading from the front? What does that mean? This is an ill-coined phrase. There is no such concept of leadership. I suppose you believe leading from on-top is superior to leading from underneath. This is all non-sense. Just because silly phases fit conveniently on a bumper sticker, doesn't give them any impact or meaning. It has been proven that you can fight effectively whether your in the front of your people or behind them.

Neither the Russians nor Chinese like being told how to behave by Westerners, like you. Their values are separate, but equal to those in the West. Developing proper relationships with Russia and China is more art than science, more understanding than knee-jerk saber rattling. No US President has handled foreign relations with as much aptitude for foreign affairs or with such a cool hand as our current President. What President has had the presence of mind to tell an allied Prime Minister he can't meet on his schedule? It's a bold move to tell an ally that they need to relax, the sky really isn't falling. Anyone who has raidsed children knows the wisdom of this.

Try using known characteristics of good leadership. Please don't try to invent concepts of leadership that make no sense.

Hendy329,

There are approximately 200 countries around the world. There are no such nationality olympics where one country is measured against the others. Many nations over time have had superiority complexes and placed their values and even their civilization above all others. The Greeks and the Romans did such things. More recently the Germans and the British made great claims they couldn't support in the end.

Let me ask you, if America is so great, why aren't other nations warming up to us? Trying to emulate what we've done? Why aren't the Arab Spring People reading books by John Locke or Adam Smith as our forefathers did? Jeffersonian democracy is definitely NOT the wave of the 21st century. Neither is Marxist/Leninist communism.

I'd agree with you that America is among the list of all-time great nations. More surprisingly it got on the list without being an empire. It also did it within just 50 years. Whether America rises to the top of the list of great nations and stays there, has yet to be determined. Maybe in year 2500 it would be good to look back and say America was the best.

I.M.

Great Questions. I personally don't know why they are not warming up to us. Current Administration? Past Administrations? Jealousy? Embracing Homosexuality? Christianity? I don't have that answer, I would submit that it is not one specific answer or reason for any on them. As far as the Arab Spring, the radical Islamists and Muslim Brotherhood I think have influence over what model they want to emulate. Though the Dictators in those Countries were brutal and inhumane by our standards, they did rule with an iron fist.

Hendy,

One explanation for why Arabs don't warm up to us and any other Western Nations is that we are Religion Neutral when it comes to governing. In Arab land their is no concept of government being Religion Neutral. Arab and Persian governments are made up of 3 parts theocracy and one part democracy. Religious beliefs trump liberty. The recent squable over a poorly made movie on the Islamic Prophet illustrates this. It amounted to a badly written Saturday Night Live skit. Satire on the Koran or their prophet is blasphemy and a serious sin. For Christianity, blasphemy has not been a sin since the Middle Ages. For Judaism, blasphemy has not been a sin since Moses vcame down from the mountain. So, the bottom line on Arabs/Persians and other Muslim nations is that religious beliefs are central to their government. Additionally, this is not likely to change in the next 500 to 1000 years. Until that time, they are not likely to embrace any civilization that permits religious freedom or liberty.

Jealousy and prior administrations in the West have nothing to do with Arab/Persians attitudes towards us. Frankly, they see Western leaders as bad in general, except for Adolph Hitler who tried to eradicate Judaism during his administration. After WWII, the victors gave Judaism a get out of jail card and a Second Exodus to Cyprus, then Palestine (later known as Israel). This became the "unkindest cut of all" for all Arabs and Persians. It nullified all gains made by the Persians during the Crusades centuries ago. The ultimate blasphemy.

You're right, Islamists and Muslims have everything to do with how governments will be formed in the tribal lands of Northern Africa and Arabia. There is little to do here for Thomas Paine, John Locke, or Adam Smith fans. Pity, but, Common Sense is just too foreign for them.

Obama is on the wrong side; we need a new POTUS.

We should be working with Russia, not against them.

The way I see the world in the future, we need Russia as an ally.

It would be much better in the long run if our countries...make that, governments, learned to cooperate.

It could be an advantage both economically and militarily for both countries.

If you look at some of the facts and toss the glitter on some things like Syria they are correct and we are also following that principle. Democracy has never survived at the end of a sword so to speak. Democracy or some form of it can only survive in a country from within. The syrian war is a civil one and everyone should back off and let things go as they would. Many Arab and Persian countries are for the elimination of Assad as well they should be. These countries some with emerging new governments want to change the image they now posess because of people like Assad. outside influence can only strengthen Assad as then he can appeal to the old "I may not like my cousin but I will side with him if he is attacked by a non believer"

Why does MSNBC keep mentioning the "horrible" Pussy Riot sentence in every Russia related article and how is that America's concern? Dont we have Fiona Apple facing 10 years for pot in Texas? Talk about human rights.. Russia should get on this quickly!

That didn't work out too well before WWII started; that was the policy of the US then, just let the rest of the world do their own thing. If it only worked that way it would be great but, the fact is, now more than ever, what happens anywhere in the world will directly effect us. We must either be a leader in the world or be satisfied with what occurs without our input....wasn't a good strategy before and likely won't be in the future.

Agreed and well put.

So after war world 2, our strategy of offensive war and intervention has worked? Lets see, we have not won one war since WWII and our intervention in the middle east caused 9/11 and has made us hated the world over and we are 16 trillion dollars in debt from multiple wars over a decade. Wow, Gforce77, sounds like interventionist strategies work wonders!

Gary Johnson 2012.

George Washington wisely advised against foreign entanglements. If the US hadn't poked our nose into WW1, WW2 wouldn't have happened.

Americans have turned ignoring wise advise into an art form. (such as George Washington's warning about political parties and Eisenhower's warning about the military-industrial complex)

We need Russia as our foil...as an enemy...

Only the vast military establishment thinks that way so they can continue to profit by selling the US new weapons....Neither Russia or the US can afford to be the police for the world anymore....

Gforce has it rite.

We must either be a leader in the world or be satisfied with what occurs without our input....wasn't a good strategy before and likely won't be in the future.#3.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:09 AM CDT

"I told you so." doesn't even cover it. To be fair to the President, in history POTUS was either good at domestic or foreign policies but seldom both. I don't care for any of his domestic but his foreign policy is a disaster.. he has destroyed our world standing and every one in the world is telling us to "shove it." We have to change somethings we do....lets start with the president.

Luke, I hate to rain on your parade, but you claiming the 16T debt is due to multiple wars over a decade is fiction. Yes, the wars did contribute a small amount to the debt, however most of the debt is due to poor financial decisions by our Congress and Presidents (meaning both Bush and Obama, dems and repubs) and Americans relying more and more on the government to provide for them versus standing on their own two feet. Obama alone has added more debt through his failed stimulus and other financial failures than any other president.
Also consider the fact that millions of people still strive to come to America, so even though you like to say we're hated by the rest of the world, that is only mostly true of foreign governments and foreign radicals who more likely despise us than actually hate us. Many people in foreign countries realize that while America may have it's faults, it's still the best country in the world. Whether we will be much longer depends on whether we continue down the slippery slope of being a "One World" nation, or get back to embracing the traits and culture that makes the USA unique and great.

If idiot Bush had been president during WWII, he would probably have invaded Bolivia in response to Japan bombing Pearl Harbor. Bush started hammering the nail into the US coffin as far as foreign relations and standing goes; all idiot Obama is doing is finishing hammering the nail in the rest of the way.

shutter to think what would have happened after 9/11 if O was in driver seat...we might be on prayer rugs daily already...just sayin.

Mary, I know you don't want to beleive it but most other countries want us broke or dead.

Ed,

Please cite your reference to this statement...or is it just opinion.

Richinmaine: I hate to rain on YOUR parade, but right before the Roman Empire fell, hordes of people, including Goths, poured into the Roman Empire, because even while declining the Roman Empire was still better than the dark places of the world. The Roman Empire still fell anyway, sped up by them flooding in.

Some amazing parallels between Rome and the US decline now. Bad economic policies, overextended military adventures. Even stuff like decreasing the size of legions is reflected in the US shift from divisions to brigades as the main combat unit. Also the Roman Army started to be more and more comprised of members of the groups pouring in.

Sadly, our empire will fall too. It will be just another chapter in history, turn the page. A wise man would start planning for the inevitable fall instead of pinning their hopes on the failed partisan politics that helped push us off the cliff to begin with.

Just wait til I get re-elected Dawg,then I can downsize defense one last time, then you can attack us, then we can retaliate, then you can fly nukes over....Hmmm lets see I'll trade you Moscow for Washington and then I'll raise you Miami...Wut do you got homie?

Paganponderer, you didn't rain on my parade. In fact, we're for the most part on the same page. Partisan politics and failed leadership along with a disillusioned people has plunged us into a downward spin that may very well bring America to it's knees. I however hold out hope that there's still a chance we can survive. I've been around for a while and while I've never seen things this bad, I've seen America pull itself out of the hole a couple times. I'm still preparing for the worst however. As they say, hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

rich: I thought as much...

The reason why I am pessimistic about America picking itself up is because this is not the same America that won WWII--a different generation, different faces, and a different culture.

Its just like the Rome that fell to the Visigoths was not the same Rome that defeated Carthage.

Its possible that we may get desperate enough to elect a "man on a horse" who will promise to bring us back to our old glory. But that would fail, just like Mussolini's bid for a new Roman Empire. (he forgot there was a slight cultural difference between Romans and Italians)

@richinmaine, you are preaching to the choir! Yes entitlements don't work, which was not my point I was trying to make. I was commenting that our foreign policy is a complete failure. Everything we've done since WW II has contributed to making the world a less safe place. By the way how has 900 bases world wide, 5 simultaneous wars, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Pakistan not added to our national debt in a significant manner?

Sounds great Alan. Lets elect a guy that will help the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and piss off the whole world at the same time causing years and years of political and diplomatic damage. Brilliant idea.

If you only had a candidate with any kind of honest integrity then maybe you would have a chance for that pipe dream.

Disapppointed and Ashamed....who is the candidate with honest integrity. You surely aren't speaking about Obama. Where have you been living the past 4 years? He misleads people at every turn with his flowery verbiage. I don't consider that honest. Obama has only managed to "help" the poor by giving them handouts for 4 years while the middle class has been scraping by. You cannot ultimately help the poor by giving them everything. I think that has been proven time and time again by Democrats. Jobs need to be created with decent benefits so they can work. The best way to create jobs is to strengthen the economy and give businesses the confidence to hire. Businesses are so unsure of what Obama will do next that they aren't hiring. Please wake up and acknlowledge reality. BTW...it seems to me this article is stating that Russia isn't happy with Obama's stall tactics so who is pissing off who?

dissapointed and ashamed, your world fews are horrible, you need to stop drinking the kool-aid

The stup[id obvious hatred filled crap does not pass muster to an sane person on earth. Go to some right wing blog that may appreciate looney comments.

Disappointed and Ashamed- You should be! The rich will get richer because of their actions and the poor will remain poor because of their actions. Mr. Romney paid 14 percent in taxes and GAVE almost another 14% to charity. I help the poor without government involvement. However, I choose to help those I deem worthy and acceptable of my charity. I will NOT give to the lazy and irresponsible which seems to be the Democrats main support. The rich owe the poor nothing! Giving without conditions cause those receiving to remain poor and not change their actions to better themselves. I have seen it in my own family and people near me. The difference between Romney and Obama is that Obama gives from my, yours, and Romney's pocket and calls it charity. Romney gives from "His" pocket and calls it charity. Lets looks at the business below that Bane Capital invested money in: AMC Entertainment, Burger King, Burlington coat factory, Clear channel communication, Domino's Pizza, Dunk n' Donuts, Staples, The sports authority. Why don't we here about the success stories??? It wasn't poor people that invested and RISKED their money to gamble on these companies. Had these been failures and lost money it would have been Bain's investors and not the taxpayers. Now lets look at Obama's investments... Solyndra, Ener 1, Beacon Power, Abound Solar, Amonix Solar, Spectra Watt, Eastern Energy, ALL BANKRUPT AND LOST TAXPAYER MONEY. The choice is clear for those with at least 1% intelligence.

Great argument Kent.

I find it amazing on this site, when you present them with facts, they rarely respond.

It must be difficult for them living in their "gimme nation". I suspect they want their education just handed over to them as well. It's a shame they listen to one biased view and accept that as fact.

Kent,

Romney gives to the Mormon church. That's not a charity. That is an investment.

He was born into money, what "risks" do you think he honestly takes? I would like to think that the typical American investor who puts his house, family, and assets on the line to invest is very different from Romneys "risky" investments.

Romney will never have to worry about money for his ENTIRE life. How do you relate to this guy?

You know, Obama is trying to invest in alternative energy to be ahead of the world in that market. It would make us the leader in that industry and get us off foriegn oil. I applaud him for the effort. That's what most of us want right? Less dependancy on foriegn oil? Clean energy? Imagine the US being the first to introduce true alternative energy technology. That is what America needs.

You want to spend all of our treasure fighting in muslim nations scrambling over the crumbs of a diminishing oil pool. That is the Repub partys agenda. Same old same old.

The Dougler,

Sorry about the slow response. I was too busy working. Yes, I am a liberal and I work. Funny huh?

LOL D & D.. I won't hate you for working,I'm glad to hear it!!! I'm at work too, I guess we should both get back to it though.

Kent, your comments are spot on. As long as we continue to support those who decide NOT to support themselves, we're heading in the wrong direction. I'm not talking about seniors, or those people who are severely disabled and unable to work, I'm referring to the millions of Americans who live off OUR tax dollars because they can. Look at how the welfare and food stamp roles have skyrocketed in the past 10-20 years, and especially in the past 4 years. Living off the government is a way of life for millions of people in this country, and has been now for 2 or 3 generations in some cases. If all these people HAD to support themselves and contribute taxes to our government instead of sucking off the government teet, just think how much better off we'd all be!

Regarding Russia, as far as I'm concerned we will never see eye-to-eye with them. In my opinion, the Russian people aren't the problem, it's the Russian government, and perhaps to some degree our government. By no means should we ever trust Russia. Just because the cold war is over doesn't mean if given the opportunity they wouldn't stab us in the back. At best we should strive for a "working" relationship with them and when feasible support each other on global issues. Anyone who thinks we should try to be "best buddies" with Russia really doesn't understand how fundamentally different we are from them.

same problem in russia as here...the polticians are corrupt..0 difference at all

D & D said:

You know, Obama is trying to invest in alternative energy to be ahead of the world in that market. It would make us the leader in that industry and get us off foriegn oil. I applaud him for the effort. That's what most of us want right? Less dependancy on foriegn oil? Clean energy? Imagine the US being the first to introduce true alternative energy technology. That is what America needs.

That all sounds well and good, but clearly Obama has ZERO business logic at all. How do you throw half a Billion dollars at a company, and they go bankrupt? That's just one company.

Listen, I'm all for more options, that's what makes the free market great, but Obama has shown a complete disregard for tax payers and their money. How could so many companies that WE gave money to go bankrupt? Sounds like a scam right? Probably is! And I don't mean the technology.

He's also vowing to throw more of our taxpayer dollars for defense companies to break the law, by throwing the lawyers fees on our backs.

Obama doesn't care about the little guy, he cares about the little guys vote.

The Dougler,

tell us more about what Obama cares about. I love talking to mind readers. Fascinating stuff.

Hope we don't get fired, lol. I guess you would vote for Obama when you need the bennies, lol.

Tell me why you think Obama really cares for the little guy...Please tell me why, I'll be waiting for you to say Obamacare by the way.

Nah, I won't be voting for Obama, even without a job. I was raised to understand that at the end of the day, you can never expect for others to care for you. If you want something done right, you do it yourself. The only helping hands in my life, is the ones at the ends of my arms.

@dissapointed and ashamed

Sounds great Alan. Lets elect a guy that will help the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and piss off the whole world at the same time causing years and years of political and diplomatic damage. Brilliant idea.

Switch "piss off the whole world" for "be a laughing stock for the whole world" and you've just described the last 4 years. Too bad you're too brainwashed to see it.

@dissapointed and ashamed

Sorry about the slow response. I was too busy working. Yes, I am a liberal and I work. Funny huh?

For yourself I hope. Otherwise I suspect your boss might not consider surfing the net and posting on forums to be "working".

@Richinmaine1

You really don't know much about Russia, do you? I can tell you that much of their government, especially Putin, spends FAR more time amongst the average citizen than does Obama. How do I know? My wife is Russian, all my in laws are Russian, I've spent a crap ton of time in Russia, and let me tell you, most people on this vine know squat about Russia. Are there corrupt officials in Russia, sure. Are they perfect, no. But Putin, as imperfect as he is, actaully seems to care about people. For example, recently there was a lot of flooding in Russia, people's homes were destroyed. Here is the US, we have insurance to cover that, not there. You're SOL. Putin visited the disaster areas and pledged that homes would be rebuilt at government expense. If you ever watch Russian news, Putin is everywhere, talking with common people. Where is Obama, you say? On the campaign trail. Average Russians may not like how he was elected, but they support his domestic policies.

Doug: "Tell me why you think Obama really cares for the little guy..."

I'll tell you why: because Obama's been there and done that--unlike Romney who was born into money--won the genetic lottery. Do you REALLY think Romney cares about the poor and middle class? He (out of his own mouth) told us all that he does NOT! Why don't you believe him? Or do you think he's a liar too?

@Maxwell's Silver Hammer

I'll tell you why: because Obama's been there and done that--unlike Romney who was born into money--won the genetic lottery.

LOL! and you think Obama is any different?? The only difference is Romney admits that he had the silver spoon while Obama pretends he doesn't know what one is. Unless of course you actually think there are poor and middle class folks sending their kids to the most prestigious private school in Hawaii.

Do you REALLY think Romney cares about the poor and middle class? He (out of his own mouth) told us all that he does NOT! Why don't you believe him? Or do you think he's a liar too?

BS. A- he didn't say he didn't care he said he couldn't worry about them. B- he was talking in terms of getting their vote not what he would do as President. Your argument is every bit as full of @!$%# as the republicans claiming Obama was referring to small businesses rather than roads & bridges when he said "you didn't build that".

@Maxwell.... so you're entire answer to why does Obama care about the little guy was "I'll tell you why: because Obama's been there and done that"

That's all you got?

Obama had just as much of a silver spoon in his mouth as Romney did. Couple of differences, Romney admits it, and Obama doesn't. We can account for Romney's years before politics, Obama refuses to.

Again, Obama doesn't care about the little guy, he cares about the little guys vote.

@sandtrap:

More like a matter of months... After the election, no matter who wins, We all lose!

Time to go somewhere else this seed has been infiltrated by the rabid trolls from the RNC

Giantego, nice comment! So if someone has a different opinion, you consider them a "rabid troll"? That doesn't speak very highly of your intelligence (or lack thereof). Perhaps instead of only believing your liberal propaganda you should attempt to educate yourself. I'm not a Republican yet clearly can see that the current administration has failed. Although not a huge Romney fan, I really don't see how he can be any worse than our current CIC.

What are you people smoking?

What are you smoking Giantego, are you not paying attention to world leaders that aren't really friendly to the US "campaigning" for Obama with subtle drop hints? This is a really telling and bad sign. As a leader, you can't be worried about everyone liking you, and pissing off a few people is going to happen. You damn sure can't be the weakest person in the room either, it just doesn't work that way.

Think of it this way, if the bosses and CEO's of the world just let everyone run over them and total anarchy to break out, how long would the business be succesful? No very, but yet this is the approach that the current admin is using with foreign and domestic policy, it is in complete anarchy right now.

Will Romney be better? From a business standpoint, I am sure he will be. From a strategic standpoint, I have no clue. What I do know is that the current administration sucks at all of the above, and there is not a candidate with a chance except Romney and I am many times worse off today than I was 4 years ago. O gotta go in November.

Lets al thank the republicans and the Koch bros for that.

Giantego

Time to go somewhere else this seed has been infiltrated by the rabid trolls from the RNC

#7.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 8:19 AM AST

Lets al thank the republicans and the Koch bros for that.
#12.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 8:21 AM AST

Thought you were going somewhere else? Speak with forked tongue? I guess you must emulate your Leader and lies are the new truth! "Yes, we can"! LOL "Be Gone Satan"!

But the media jumped all over Romney's talk about how the 47% support Obama because they can get their food stamps, unemployment etc with ease. It shows you the influence and propaganda from the media. Most follow Obama and are influenced (be it financially or however) to show him in a good light while bashing any opposer that may be a threat. Watch the news and you will see exactly what I am saying or keep reading on here because this has been apparent the entire time.

Sad so very sad and it will be even sadder if he is re-elected in Nov

CommonSense_not2Common: Senator Joseph McCarthy saw all this coming, he tried to warn the American people and the media crucified him for it. The media is guily of collusion to subvert the democratic process. Media airtime has a monetary value, favorable stories about obama are just like a campaign contribution, but even more effective.

I'd like to see a Senate investigation, replete with sweating network heads and journ-O-lists, pleading the 5th.

Senator Joseph McCarthy was a NUT job !!!

So if I am following these comments ..... 47% of the people in the us are on welfare and food stamps

and 52% are working paying tax's and 1% have all the money ......... is that about right ?

congoman: Where do I start with a guy like you? Senator Joseph McCarthy enlisted in the Marines in WW2, even though he wasn't required to, he flew combat missions and left the service as a Captain,..now I know that doesn't mean much to people like you. Is that what liberals call "nuts"?

The media spoonfed that negative propaganda about Sen. McCarthy and the morons ate it up back then,..just as you have eaten up all the positive propaganda about obama. Do you like being treated like a fool by the media?

You must be in the mythical 1% yourself, where'd you get that laptop? Got an air conditioner? cellphone? You "99%" are just greedy spoiled brats, that think just 'existing' must be rewarded.

There is NO real "99%",.it's a gag and a gimmick to fool morons.

Obama tells the truth and you jump on him? You don't think he'll have more flexibility after the election? Who's dumb now?

Burt: SENATOR JOSEPH MC CARTHY??? SERIOUSLY???????????!!!!!

Where does one start with a guy like YOU? If Joe McCarthy (the nut job who saw commies under his bed) is YOUR hero--well, I rest my case.

I cannot believe you brag about such ignorance! But thanks for the laugh!

And if McCarthy's enlisting in WWII when he didn't have to wins your approval--how do you feel about Romney's avoiding VietNam by living in France and trying to convert them to Mormonism to avoid the draft? Hmmmmmmmmmm????

Maxwell Hammer: I'm conservative - I don't have a 'hero' or an 'idol', I don't need one. Liberals seem to depend on somebody else for everything - including self-esteem. Obviously you are ignorant about Senator McCarthy. All of your knowledge is probably derived from bad 'made for TV movies'.

Senator McCarthy has been vindicated, do some research for yourself. Turns out that he was right all along and the media crucified him for it. Max, you might want to look up the Venona Project. Think for yourself Max, kick that Kool-aid habit,..before it kicks you.

Senator Joseph McCarthy was right and completely justified in his investigation of the communist threat and infiltration of the U.S.,..and that is why the media destroyed him back then, and why people like you, 50 years later, still try to besmirch his legacy, by parroting lies and misinformation. The truth always comes out Max, no matter how much you may dislike it. The same holds true for obama's legacy.

Maxwell Hammer: "Obama tells the truth and you jump on him? You don't think he'll have more flexibility after the election?"

Hey genius,.. he didn't purposely "tell the truth" - He GOT CAUGHT by a microphone that he thought was turned off. Obama was caught selling the U.S. out to a hostile country, and you call it "telling the truth". I think you may be beyond rehabilitation, you had might as well drink up.

your kidding me right?the foreign policy that clown knows is sell our companies to china bust the american people to third world status,i've asked this question before,where are the rich people going to hide when they have our people living in the streets,eating out of garbage cans,looking like footage of the warsaw ghettos of ww2?they won't be able to hide and the chinese and russians will split up this country like germany post ww2,think about american people.reality is tough to come to terms with.

The rich will probably hide in socialist countries like Finland and Sweden, or in South American like the former Nazis did.

@Barb,

And Russia is a threat....how? Please substantiate that fearmongering statement.

Like most repubs, not a single original thought in your whole post. Just alot of platitudes you heard spouted on Faux News.

Seems to me the Dems get their feelings hurt when others bring up things like "how about the promises that OB gave prior to taking office and compare them with what he had delivered"....*crickets*...... What about what he was recorded as saying about gun control? He was recorded as saying things about removing guns from legitimate carriers once he is elected and he will keep it "under the radar". So OB clearly has no ethics, no morals and cannot be trusted and yet the Dems constantly follow the sound of the pied piper......which, by the way, did rid the city of rats (to clean up the city and rid it from the disease that the "rats" brought to that city).....similar? Why yes, yes it is! Amazing how that coincides. And yet, I am sure that some Dems will stomp their feet and whine about "na uhhhhhh thats not true" and then take their ball and go home. Good luck with that and be prepared to own your mistakes because it is coming that is for sure.

No double standard allowed in politics...both sides have screwed the pooch in many ways but neither side will relent to a single direction of less spending, or at least spending in line with revenue...it if never happens we will eventually find the edge of the cliff...and probably sooner than later.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012.

This will happen once B.O. is booted out of our White House.

Right Barb...

And what are you good republinazi's going to do when the Romney admin. submits a budget with another deficit?

And what are you going to say when those 47%'ers continue to "not pay their fair share", including those 35,000 who made 200k, and paid no taxes do to the tax laws, or those military personnel, who don't have to pay tax on allowances?, and last, but not least, those pesky seniors and disabled?

These problems will still be here long after a Romney admin., but being true to republinazi doctrine, you'll rationalize the behavior, just like you did with the doubling of the debt under Bush.

So, take your hypocritical bullsh!t somewhere else.

silver back 929

Gee, we'll do just what BO/His Admin does/Reid/Pelosi, et alia, except blame it on Obama and the DNC! What goes around may right well come around.

The only difference is Romney/Ryan will fix it! Perhaps you can go where Giantego went - off to the nether-world. I guess "you cannot attack the message, then you attack the messenger", Saul Alinsky, a DNC demagogue

No, Jack.

I attack republinazi's who see things that are going on today, as if history started yesterday.

And if you think it will be any different with your current Big Business frontman, then you are about as lost as last years Easter Egg.

Silverback, do you think the name calling gets you anywhere? It just makes you look like the 5 year old sticking his tounge out. Grow up

Its Ignorant replies like these that shows the mentality of some, Thank God only some !! If more were bitter we would have come to distinction already. I can't stress enough we need a kinder world with kind caring souls

Tracy,

I could care less about what gets me anywhere...

I'm not here to win a popularity contest.

I like calling out those on the far right, using the same tactics they are so fond of using.

Ever call them out on their name-calling, Tracy?

Silverback--you are so RIGHT! It never ceases to amaze me how the "right" dishes it out (e.g., libtards, Obozo, Moochele, Obummer, Oblameo, etc etc) but when you use the same name calling tactics on them--suddenly they cry like little girls about "hatred," "bitterness" and "name calling," etc.

Cry me a river!

True dat Perry, B.O. stinks and needs to go!

LOL, you just described Obama's base! I'm 54, have served my country, and clearly see that Obama is selling us out. If you are truly a veteran it astonishes me that you cannot see the harm Obama and his administration have done to this country. I'm not saying Bush was great by any stretch, he certainly had his faults too, but as someone who loves my country it's sad to see it heading in the wrong direction.

Hit the nail on the head, Mike.

Great example-

Bush goes to war with Iraq in 2003, under the Bush doctrine of "Pre-emptive strikes".

He wins the election in Nov. of that year, with well over 50 million votes.

Now, you would think that out of that 50 million or so, you would have found at least 3-5 million who would meet the requirements for military service, who would be knocking down the doors of the recruitment stations in order to put their beliefs into practice, wouldn't you?

All I remember seeing were those republinazi's with the Bush '04 stickers riding around town in their humvees...

That's about as close to the war as they got, for sure.

BTW I'm ex-Navy... 85-91, and I commend you on your service, Mike.

Under B.O. we are now #7.

Barb....Obama has this country so divided with all his class warfare and socialism that I think you are being too kind. Globally, 7 is probably generous. However, I will always think we are #1...I just hope we can get that back after Obama is gone, be it one month or four years.

excuse me barb,do you have any idea of how we got to #7,i just don't think the current occupant put us there,and why don't any of you people blame the drunks in congress for any of this?you are beating the proverbial dead horse with the obama bashing,you can't possibly be that much of a closed minded human being.

@gojo-1251069

The US is divided because of it's people's divisions, not because of one man at the top. Get rid of OB and there will be more division, because that is what we have become.. Divided by ideas on both sides that simply have not worked.

In the US, it will be when those in the center form a party and take power that things will get done. No more far right and far left, it simply dose not work in the 21st century. Oh, and no part of the US is truly socialist in anyway. You need to live in a socialist country before you really know what that word is. Trust me, nothing OB has done would be considered socialist in a socialist country.

The Republicans talk about socialism, but they have no idea what it really is, it is just a bashing point to hit the other side with.

we could vote for jesse ventura in 2016 but i don't think the pharohs that are the real power would let that happen,however if it did happen and anything happened to him,then the whole scenario would get very interesting.food for thought.

@Barb,

Not when it comes to matters of defense spending, Barb.

And why is it the republinazi's wanted to give defense another 2 trillion more than the dept. wanted?

My guess is to pay for Cheney's heart transplant.

once envy takes hold it is really hard to get it off the mind of those envying. Our country has always been a mix of ultra wead ultra poor, in my 66 years any way. But the envy thing has grown exponentially in the last few years and the ones pushing that agenda are indeed very rich but they envy the ultra wealthy and want more so transference of that envy is easy as can be.

silverback cheney has the Cadillac insurance same as other retired vp's and p's so you statement is equal to the intelligence of a gorilla

Speaking of intelligence, justred... You've mistaken my sarcasm for fact.

Not saying that you're unintelligent, but maybe you should brush up on your reading comprehension skills.

And BTW, gorillas are intelligent...

I agree, Gojo...It was a 90 minute meeting, and those words were caught as the reporters were invited in at the end. Makes you wonder what else Mr. Hollywood promised.