A series of suicide bombings in Syria's largest city has killed at least 31 people. State TV reports that three explosions rocked a government-controlled district in Aleppo. TODAY's Natalie Morales reports.
Updated at 8:21 a.m. ET: A Syrian Islamist militant group has claimed responsibility for a series of deadly bombings in Syria's largest city that early Wednesday ripped through two hotels, a Syrian army officers' club and a city administrative complex, NBC News reported.
Four explosions ripped through a government-controlled district in Aleppo, causing widespread destruction and killing at least 40 people, according to activists.
The blasts in Aleppo, which came within minutes of each other, struck the main Saadallah al-Jabiri Square close to a military officers' club and a fifth bomb exploded a few hundred meters away, state television said.
The carnage took place on the fringes of the Old City where rebels and forces loyal to President Bashar Assad have been fighting.
"Five minutes after the first explosion a second bomb exploded. A third exploded ten minutes after that," a state television reporter said. "There was a fourth car bomb which exploded before engineering units could defuse it."
The jihadi faction Jabhat al-Nusra, which is monitored by NBC News consultant Evan Kohlmann, formally claimed responsibility late Wednesday in a communique. The group said the operation involved at least two suicide bombers -- identified as "Abu Hamza al-Shami" and "Abu Sulaiman al-Shami" -- as well as three other attackers dressed as Syrian soldiers, who were identified as "Abu Anas al-Shami," "Abu Hafs al-Shami," and "Abu Dujanah al-Shami."
Pictures emerging from the scene showed extensive damage. Nadim Houry, deputy regional director for Human Rights Watch, posted a picture on Twitter showing piles of rubble in the central square.
Photo reporting to show damages to the central Saadallah square in Aleppo following explosions this morning facebook.com/photo.php?pid=�
— Nadim Houry (@nadimhoury) October 3, 2012
Citing medical sources, the British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which monitors the violence in Syria through a network of activists, put the death toll at least 40 with 90 injured.
A Syria government official earlier told The Associated Press the death toll was 27. The reason for the discrepancy was not immediately clear, and it is difficult for media to verify any claims made by either side in the country’s civil war.
The state television station also broadcast footage of three dead men disguised as soldiers in army fatigues who it said were shot by security forces before they could detonate explosive-packed belts they were wearing. One appeared to be holding a trigger device in his hand.
Aleppo-based activist Mohammad Saeed told regional news channel Al Jazeera the blasts appear to have been caused by car bombs and were followed by clashes and heavy gunfire.
Aleppo province: Medical sources in the city of Aleppo confirmed that at least 40 were killed and 90 injured by 4... fb.me/1N6fPp7T7
— Syrian Observatory (@syriahr) October 3, 2012
Rebels fighting to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad announced last week a new offensive in Aleppo, a commercial hub of 2.5 million people, but neither side has appeared to make significant gains so far.
The explosions also came a week after rebels bombed military command buildings in the heart of Damascus and clashed with security forces for several hours.
That was the biggest attack in the capital since July 18 when a bomb killed several senior security officials including Assad's brother-in-law, the defense minister and a general.
Aleppo is now split in two, with Assad's forces mainly in the west and rebels in the east. Several large protests in support of the president have been held in Saadallah al-Jabiri square.
More Syria coverage from NBC News
Pro-Assad al-Ikhbariya television showed footage of four dead men, including one dust-covered body being pulled from the rubble of a collapsed building and loaded onto the back of a pickup truck.

SANA via Reuters
EDITOR'S NOTE: Picture released by the government-run Syrian Arab News Agency.
Men stand amid wreckage, after three blasts ripped through Aleppo's main Saadallah al-Jabari Square on Wednesday.
Many of the buildings on the square had their facades ripped off and there was a deep crater in the road.
Fighting only with light weaponry, rebels have resorted to bomb attacks in areas still controlled by Assad.
A pro-Assad Lebanese newspaper said on Tuesday that Assad was visiting Aleppo to take a first-hand look at the fighting and had ordered 30,000 more troops into the battle. It said Assad would remain in the city.

SANA via AP
EDITOR'S NOTE: Picture released by the government-run Syrian Arab News Agency.
Men carry a dead body at the scene after several bombs exploded at Saadallah al-Jabiri Square in Aleppo, Syria, on Wednesday.
Opposition activists say 30,000 people have been killed in the 18-month-old anti-Assad uprising, which has grown into a full-scale civil war.
For much of the revolt, Assad has retained a grip on Aleppo with many rich merchants and minority groups there, fearful of instability, remaining neutral while protests spread.
Reuters, The Associated Press and NBC News' Alastair Jamieson contributed to this report.
In the outskirts of Aleppo, scenes of devastation fueled by the Syrian regime's warplanes have prompted new rebels to volunteer – some still in their teens. NBC's Ann Curry reports.
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I believe the only country not being blown up by some faction or another might be Canada. How are they managing it?
perhaps minding their own business?
You need to research the drug gangs in Canada...
reference - http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/prg/cp/bldngevd/2007-yg-1-eng.aspx & http://www.economist.com/node/13740305
Or the 'Honor Killings' by Muslims... see - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093513/Afghan-family-guilty-honour-killing-Canada.html & http://www.canada.com/life/Honour+killings+rise+Canada+Expert/3165638/story.html
They are focused on processing oil shale. AND MAKING MONEY!
I really hope the United States stay out of this mess. No Military help, No Advise, No nothing, No financial help, No financial help and especially NO FINANCIAL HELP.
hockey is right around the corner, everyone is busy building Zamboni's, pucks, sticks, etc..................:)
Canada is involved in everything the US is in. Sooo they will be targeted too eventually.
(Sarcasm)
Well - but this doesn't count as terrorism - rather it is called revolution.
(End of Sarcasm)
My heart goes out to ordinary syrians.
As long as they keep giving Islam more power in the law and government there will be no problems.. Appease for peace is their strategy but some day the rope will run out and they will find themselves hanging from it..
As long as there is Islam, there will be bloodshed. Their holy books preach it, sure, strap a vest of explosives on your vest, walk onto a bus full of civilians because of their race or religion, or just because, and pull the rip cord, ahhh what a way to get into heaven.
It isn't just coincidence that there has been war in the Middle East since Islam was founded. There is no such thing as perfect freedom of will, we have to outlaw and ban some things, Islam should be one of these things. Call a crusade to mecca, free jerusalem, give it back to the jews who have held it as long as Western History shows, then colonize Iran in a war joint war with Israel. Take it, as they would do to us, send all of our 14 million illegal immigrants there, hell, practically give them land like we did in the old western frontier days, get them to start paying taxes on it, and let the oil begin to flow.
Islam is a militant religion, period. Muhammed, if one does their history, will see he took his first city and beheaded everyone who did not convert...it has been thus ever since. You've got to understand any NON believer in Islam is their enemy, that's the difference. We can be a "Christian" nation, and only 25 percent of the population go to church. But if it is an Islamic country, you better believe you are forced to believe one thing and not have notions of your own.
A Crusade is being called again to Jerusalem. But this time we will go all the way to Mecca.
Join the Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem, Templars, with representation at NATO.
Wheres Canada again?
Anybody who wants us to support these terrorist rebels should have their head examined. US reporters should sometimes present the point of view of Syrian government. But they will not, since - horror of horrors - that government is aligned with Iran.
weatherman,
it one of our boarders...you know the ONE we closed and actually patrol..................
Twelve highlanders and a bagpipe make a rebellion.
"There's always a bigger fish." - Qui-Gon Jin.
@astounding - there has been a constant bloodshed over religions in the Middle east and elsewhere ever since the ancient Hebrews invented their Abrahamic religion 2500 years ago. Moses and his buddies butchered half of their tribe in the name of their 'only one true religion'. They were not better than the modern suicide bombers - the same Semitic obsession with religious supremacy. All of you religious crusaders should fight each other to the death somewhere in the ME and hopefully you kill each other off so the rest of us can finally live in peace.
Those photographs look like Port Au Prince after the earthquake. Its shameful that humans can be so destructive.
@ Max - The Habiru...if you would so kindly do your history, were a nomadic band of mercenaries paid by the egyptians to protect their northeast border from invaders. Through the decades the Habiru became the hebrew, but became treated more and more like slaves as the pharoes passed and not as protectors. so they left the land, led by Moses... "But God led the people around by the way of the wilderness toward the Red Sea. And the people of Israel went up out of the land of Egypt equipped for battle." (exodus 13:18) They took Israel, documented in the Bible and held it, from there we can historically trace Jerusalem and Israel's roots through our own "Western" history. Ask yourself....Western Civilization....West of what sir? Eastern Civilization....East of what sir?
They left Egypt armed my friend. Max if you think islam is such a kind and respectful religion, I invite you to go stay overseas for a couple years...call it Iran. NO? hrm...wonder why.
They Hebrew or Jews did the same thing you would have done, they took up their arms, and went to carve out a little chunk of land, and for 2500 years, as you have pointed out, Jerusalem, where Solomon built his temples, are not Muslim lands, that is exactly the point. When Israel was not a nation it led to Jews being spread out throughout the world, and then wwII. After which we give Israel back to the jews, what was it all for then? Where is their home? Where would you claim if you were one of them? The Muslim holy city is Mecca.
One thing is for sure, the rebels in Syria whoever they might be, will never like the US as supposedly the rebels in Libya do because we have stood back this time. This is why I never supported the NATO invasion of Libya. If you help one you are obligated to help another. The US looks bad in both cases.
Where did I say that Islam was/is a kind and respectful religion? Islam is one of the Abrahamic religions with Old Testament roots and it shares the same religious intolerance and fanaticism as the rest of them (Judaism and Christianity). I do not care much for either of them. They are like rat poison: 95% of good food mixed with 5% of poison, which makes the whole thing toxic.
Well I wonder how obama's arab spring uprising inspiration is working out for the Syrians. All of the countries involved with the uprisings are now WORSE off.
Let Syria handle their own problems. The US should stay out of it. That means no troops, no advisors, and NO MONEY.
@max, exactly my point. You are allowed to have that freedom, that right, that instict that says "I don't agree with that, let me say it." In an Islamic country sir, you would not be given that oppurtunity. Christian countries maintains on average about a 25% attendance rate in churches, where as Islamic countries hover closer to 95%....why do you suppose that is? Because it is forced. As long as there is Islam, there will be violence. I don't know how else to explain it to you.
Example.... nobody here in this forum is currently in Iran, because they restrict these things.
Best comment on the page. I hope they stay out. The US should let them all fight it out, then, in 10 years or so, have talks with whoever is left
deweydan
Hillary Clinton already said the US are sending an additional 45 million, and training rebels.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/13058-sec-clinton-pledges-additional-$45-million-in-aid-to-syrian-rebels
Lady Cat, I agree, but that goes for the whole region. No money to anyone, including Israel. Let them deal with their own issues, every one of the Middle-East, Near-East and North African countries. No troops (get the ones left in Iraq out; the so-called "non-combatant advisors" that number 50K; and those still in Afghanistan), no advice, logistics or money. Can you and the others wanting no money to go to Syria agree that no money to anyone there is a good idea? Keep US tax money in the US to fix the problems in the US. As the old saying goes, charity begins at home!
BTW, my wife of almost two decades was raised in a Jewish home (she is now agnostic), so I am not anti-people of the Jewish faith as some may try and flame me. I am anti-Israel and any other country that gets our tax money and then tells us to go to hell (which is pretty much all of them). The US needs major upgrades to the electrical grid, roads, bridges, tunnels, sewers and water filtration/resource management. Before rebuilding other countries, rebuilt the US, feed the hungry, clothe and shelter the homeless and give healthcare to everyone (you know, like what Jesus preached). I may not believe he was any more (or less) divine than anyone else, I do think his teachings should be followed, especially by the majority in this country that call themselves "Christian". So keep our tax money here, where it can do the most good for the US. After we fix our own country, then help out the other ones. Sending money to other countries while so many suffer here at home is inexcusable, regardless of who is in political power here.
Yes, Celtic Pagan, and we should mind our own business, and I think by now most even inside USA know that the Iraq attack was done for no good reason, since they had nothing to do with 911, as Hans Blix could not find any WMD there.--In EU it is called a hoax then to attack a sovereign country!
But these pictures should not surprise anyone this is what it looked like thousands of places all over Iraq, when George Bush had to show dad and the world ( and some on these postings)how it is done!--Same in Afghanistan, where he wanted to show the old Soviet how it is done, so far we need to expand our military officer schools, I think--and yes, I was in too for 6 years, so I have seen big USA attitude all over.
The al-Qaeda in Iraq members seem to be joining the al-Nusra Front, according to Zebari.
US intelligence agencies had originally suspected al-Qaeda in Iraq for the bombings in Aleppo and Damascus. Iraq's deputy interior minister said early February that weapons and jihadists were entering Syria from its country. The Front claimed credit for suicide attacks in the Syrian capital of Damascus as well as in Aleppo. The Front is one of two Islamist jihadist groups based in Homs battling the Assadgovernment.
On 17 June, Walid Ahmad al-Ayesh, described by Syrian authorities as the "right hand" of the Al-Nusra Front, was killed when Syrian authorities discovered his hiding place. He was reportedly responsible for the making of car bombs that were used to attack Damascus in the previous months.
The Syrian authorities reported the killing of another prominent member of the group, Wael Mohammad al-Majdalawi, killed on 12 August 2012 in a qualitative operation conducted in Damascus.
The group allegedly took part in a military operation with the Free Syrian Army. Abu Haidar, a Syrian FSA co-ordinator in Aleppo's Saif al-Dawla district said that Al-Nusra Front "have experienced fighters who are like the revolution's elite commando troops".
Yep, Obama is supporting terrorists.
For all of those that want the U.S. to stay out of Syria, it's too late. We're supplying intelligence and support beyond humanitarian, via proxies, to the so called rebels. As seen here, at least some of the rebels are your everyday Islamist terrorist. We didn't learn the lesson in Afghanistan, so we repeat the same mistake in Syria.
@ Sauve 35686861 - Canada is the primary satellite nation of the American Empire and as such, it gets added protection from the USA's security forces.
@ralahinn1,
The US should let them all fight it out, then, in 10 years or so, have talks with whoever is left
Ya...sounds good on the face of it but 'they' have been 'fighting it out' for a few thousand yrs. in one fashion or another and it doesn't seem that there's an end in sight. Also, the 'winning of hearts and minds' doesn't apply to certain ideologies. And those two points are what we're up against at this moment.
This latest attack just goes to prove what I have been saying all along, these supposed "rebels" in Syria want nothing to do with the establishment of a free and open society, all they want is control for themselves. The rebels do not care who they kill so long as they get control in the end. They want to take over and dictate to everyone else how they should live, how they should worship, etc. They are no better, and in fact are much worse than Assad. At least under Assad people are free to worship as they choose. Under Assad, Syria has a mostly secular government. Even though Assad himself is an Alawite he has never tried to impose that particular brand of Islam on everyone in the country. The only reason that the US government is supporting these so-called rebels is because Assad is an ally of Iran and they do not like the idea of Iran having any influence at all in the region. This is a pitiful reason to be backing these "rebels" who will be far worse than Assad if they manage to gain control. The US needs to get the hell out of this mess and stop sending aid of any kind to these "rebels." They are not the freedom fighters the administration and the media are trying to make them out to be, they are religious fanatics who want control for themselves so that they can dictate to everyone. Syria will be far worse off if Assad falls the same way that the people of Egypt, particularly the minority groups, are far worse off now than they ever were under Mubarak and the way the people of Libya are far worse off now than they were under a secular Qaddafi government now that tribal and religious militias are running things. As for those who keep propagating the lie that there were no WMDs in Iraq I have one question for you, where do you think Assad got most of the chemical weapons that are in his stockpile. They are weapons that were taken out of Iraq and moved into Syria ahead of the US invasion. The US government will not publish them, but they have satellite images of the truck convoys going from Iraq to Syria that moved these weapons. Do you really think that Saddam used up all the chemical weapons he had in the attack when he used them on the Kurds - of course not. Saddam had a huge stockpile. I would also imagine there are still some stockpiles buried out in the deserts in Iraq that have yet to be found. Saddam did not have nuclear weapons, but he definitely had WMDs in the form of chemical weapons and anyone who believes otherwise is either completely uninformed or intentionally deceiving themselves. I am just glad that Assad has so far sown the common sense not to use these chemical weapons in this civil war.
WE shhould stay ouy of it and let these poor peace loving sheet-heads kill each other. As long as they are busy with each other, we are a little bit safer.. But of couese Obama will support the wrong side and it come back to bite us in the ass, like Libya, Egypt, and the rest of those rag-head countries.
The car bombs -2 at the Saadallah al-Jibrili Square environ and a 3rd car bomb in Bab Jnein district and 2 additional bombs killed at least 40 and over 90 injured (most severely- limbs torn off- a 10-yr old boy leg ripped off) a huge crater on the street- 2 buildings totally collapsed, edifices of others ripped off. Bab Jnein is at the entrance of gthe Old City in Aleppo. Foreign news agencies had reported that Bashar al-Assad was in Aleppo- certain news report he is still there. Saadallh al-Jibrili Sq. is where regimes' military offices and hotel located (the Cafe 2-story building completely disintegrated. The carnage continues- civilians of all stripes are truly suffering- water shortages/food shortages/medicine-first aid shortages. In the meanwhile of note- Egypt/Turkey/Iran and Saudi Arabia were to be the ones negotiating the end of hostilities but inadvertantly Saudi Arabia has been a no show. Russia has issued NATO a warning not to have an itchy trigger finger in matters Syria. Turkey killed Kurds who were partolling at Syrian border from Turkey's side. (Syrian Kurds). Obama started the upheaval to oust Assad with France- then marooned the SNC like US Amb. to Libya J.C.Stevens and 3 others. Quelle humanite.
Well, the Russians have expressed concern that a post Assad Syria will devolve into fratricide along religious lines.
I think they have a point that should have been considered long BEFORE providing sufficient incitement, and arms, to the rebels. Currently Syrian civilian casualties in this civil war, not to mention the amount of refugees, is taking a worse toll then Assad ever did.
Civil wars are seldom pretty. Would have been much better to provide Syria with peacekeeping/security forces along with a nice retirement dacha for Assad, and shopping trips for his wife. Better and cheaper for all parties involved, with alot less killed. Couldn't the US and Russia have at least agree to that?
Ultimately, both sides are going to have to sit down and discuss how to prevent a post Assad fratricide along religious lines. The US and Russians can either facilitate agreement to sit down and discuss solutions to ending the violence along with ending the Assad regime, or bicker as Syrian civilians continue to die.
Post Assad is going to result in a power vacuum in Syria, perhaps some thought should be given to dealing with potential problems within that power vacuum before it occurs?
CPO Sharkey, You could compare everything you just said to the american revolution.
We didnt need to fight and have so many die, it was just over some taxation and a few liberties, WTF?
Everyone predicted chaos and anarchy for america if we tried to govern ourselves.
Since we already have freedom, to hell with everyone else who wants it too, it might conflict with our interests (read that as money).
Nope, the American revolution was a totally different situation.
The colonists were a homogenous group, predominately of white, Christian, Anglo Saxon, heritage, as shown in the Declaration of Independance, a political document in which the colonies laid out their grievances in writing for the world to see. The Continental Congress was a transitional governmental structure.
Compare that to the composition of the Syrian population, and the political documents the rebel government in Syria has provided to the world.
How many members of the Continental Congress can you name (hint, look at the Declaration of Independance)?
Can you name any member of the Syrian rebel government? Can you name the governing body of the Syrian rebels? Tell me everything you know about those that desire to replace Assad, and what they stand for?
There is no comparison between the American revolution and what is presently going on in Syria.
You are trying to argue that they are similiar, that post revolution Pennsylvania, Maryland, Massachussets, North Carolina, and Virginia would commit fratricide against each other?
Actually the colonies, states were already aligning themselves to be an independent country before the Tea Party. They were already organizing by that time and is always it took time for troops to arrive to facilitate a military show of power. The soldiers from England were ruthless in those days. Colonist were killed and homes burned just for having a firearm in their possession. They raped and pillaged there way to where ever they went. They were not upstanding soldiers as the movies project them to be.
The picture above, is how all of Afghanistan should look. The United States obviously does not know how to fight a war. It seems that the United states wants to coddle there enemies. The United States has RULES on our Soldiers. The United States should not get into any other wars, until our leaders get some guts to do this kind of destruction to our enemies. If you go to war, there should be no rules.
We have "rules" on our soldiers because of all the international agreements we've signed. We honor them. Maybe the best place for Americans troops is on American soil.
they all would/could if we would only pull our people and money out.................
It might help to have a commander in chief who at least knows what a medical corpsman is.
True, if the US actually unleashed the dogs of war, Afghanistan would be complete rubble. However, we still hold ourselves to be a civilized nation. If we commit acts of that magnitude, how would we be different from the enemy?
But YOU do know how to fight a war, from your little PC in your basement.
Go back to playing Total War on your computer and leave the fighting to the big boys.
weathermen
It sounds like you may have read Clausewitz in the condensed classics format. Did you miss or skip over the part that states when you have a war (another means when diplomacy fails) you "prosecute the war to the fullest extent possible..."
That does not mean playing by "rules" - it means using the power that makes the other side give up or face utter destruction.
Jack, US Military, 1969 - 1993
I know it's simplistic...but if everyone would just freakin' get along. Maybe, just maybe, a better livable world would result. But, we all know how impossible that is.
What will be sad in Syria is that even if that scumbag gets the boot, who will step in? Country will go the way of Lebanon, token government and mobs of idiots running around with huge amounts of weapons not wanting to stop the violence. iran and Russia continue to funnel assistance to the regime in power.
LIfe is tough enough without having to deal with the devastation of war and the constant threat of instant annihilation. In my opinion President Obama presents the better hope for minimizing this sort of thing.
Oh yeah!!! SURE!!! Barry will travel around the world spreading peace and joy!!!! He will bow and scrap and apologize for anything the other country want to blame us for. Yeah.....How did that "world apology tour" work out the last time Obumbles tried it???? Perhaps he will hire more TSA agents to grope and humiliate American citizens. We are no safer with Barry on board, might as well have a small child in the white house. Terrorists are laughing at us and know that they have a friend in Barry and Co. Wake up sheeple!!!!!! We can't afford 4 more years of this mess.....
Disparity - pull your panties out of your butt and stop screaming "THE SKY IS FALLING".
Its ok, really, have another mocha and go back to watching fox. LOL
Nor can we afford more wars. At least Obama is at least willing to pursue negotiations and other avenues. Mittens will go straight to war. Fight first, discuss later.
Big banks are flush with money and probably will send their loan teams in as soon as they can determine that one side is the only side still standing. It may also be time to buy Caterpillar stock.
Just another day in the land of the religion of pieces.
Will anyone condemn the rebels for this terrorist act against the people of Syria? Or will this be twisted to look like it's the regime's fault?
Very few people really care. Local issue.
Where were you during the Civil War here? Don't give me that lame excuse about not being born yet either, Silver helmut!
Well apparently the "Regime" lobbed some shells into a Turkish border town today and killed Turkish citizens. Now Turkey has responded.
So much for the Syrian Government being the good guys. Go Turkey! Go Rebels!
The Government is comprised of members from the Alewhite sect that comprise 10% of the population. It appears it was the people of Syria who did this, against other Syrians. Both sides are atrocious and I support neither.
Time for Syria to split into autonomous regions based on sectarian divisions. Russia is the dominant power, and weapons supplier, let them preside over the arbitration. Retribution and terror will begin to control the mindset of the participants and even if the war ends, the battle will simmer for decades. The Alawite and the Sunni will be better off in seperate distinct countries.
If the civil war is not ended soon, Iraq will follow, then Bahrain. Iran will supply arms to the fellow Shiites and Saudi Arabia will feel compelled to support the Sunnis. The US will begin to supply arms and so will Russia. The spring is being loaded for a major conflagragation.
Right, Russia can't even afford to have a Battle of the Bands.
As long as there is Islam, there will be bloodshed. Their holy books preach it, sure, strap a vest of explosives on your vest, walk onto a bus full of civilians because of their race or religion, or just because, and pull the rip cord, ahhh what a way to get into heaven.
It isn't just coincidence that there has been war in the Middle East since Islam was founded. There is no such thing as perfect freedom of will, we have to outlaw and ban some things, Islam should be one of these things. Call a crusade to mecca, free jerusalem, give it back to the jews who have held it as long as Western History shows, then colonize Iran in a war joint war with Israel. Take it, as they would do to us, send all of our 14 million illegal immigrants there, hell, practically give them land like we did in the old western frontier days, get them to start paying taxes on it, and let the oil begin to flow.
Islam is a militant religion, period. Muhammed, if one does their history, will see he took his first city and beheaded everyone who did not convert...it has been thus ever since. You've got to understand any NON believer in Islam is their enemy, that's the difference. We can be a "Christian" nation, and only 25 percent of the population go to church. But if it is an Islamic country, you better believe you are forced to believe one thing and not have notions of your own.
A Crusade is being called again to Jerusalem. But this time we will go all the way to Mecca.
Join the Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem, Templars, with representation at NATO.
The problem, astounding, is that all of those guys whose beliefs continue to be propagated are dead. The reason people continue to propagate these ideas is because they are the ideas that controlled the population of their time. Hate begets hate. Ignorance begets ignorance. War is simply the culmination of opposing ideologues refusing to learn, adapt and overcome their predecessors intolerance.
You offer an equation, but no solution.
astounding,
it is truly amazing that you try to emulate others and attempt to provide "illuminating" advice. Ever think to ponder this - "why is there air"? Bill Cosby - quit being an oxygen thief and here is another quote, considering you live and breathe on quotes "physician, heal thy self".
Jack
I never said I live and breath on quotes, and for the record I am not trying to emulate anyone else. Just offer quotes from famous people from the past. What is funny, however, is you quote the Gospel of Luke to me, The moral of the proverb is counsel to attend to one's own defects rather than criticizing defects in others, a sentiment also expressed in the Discourse on judgmentalism ..... a concept, I'm sure, lost on you.
lol @ the Bill Cosby, really?
have a pleasant day and you take care.
Owned :p
in your dreams "hero"! - you have to figure what reality is and quit living vicariously in a fantasy world with your x-box that you swear is reality. Remember, you can lie to everyone but if you lie to the person in the mirror, you effing crazy and certifiable. But then again, even nutcases believe their own fantasies.
As for "owned" get real. V
Jack -- asany phys ed majhor knows - theres air to blow up volleyballs and basketballs. The name of the comedy album is To my brother Ruseel...whom I slept with.
Since love and fear can hardly coexist together, if we must choose between them, it is far safer to be feared than loved.
Bend ....Forward
-BHO-
Quotes are remembered for a reason, lessons from the past, ignore them, that's why they call it ignorance. Because you just don't know. Probably sitting back, collecting welfare, living in an apartment or hotel, you own nothing....we get it, your life sucks, you have nothing to fight for, so you simply...in your own words...Bend...Forward.
astounding: Did you miss the disclaimer on the welcome to the internet sign? You are taking everything so seriously that I don't know if you are trolling or not.
"I like turtles!" - Johnathon the Zombie
assume much?.......astounding.....
Pith
I vote astounding as "troll" and living in the basement, below the village bridge.
Morning Scooter
@IA Tramp No, it's deduction. Those who own less and rent more tend to be more liberal in their views because things are not 'theirs'... they have little to fight for, I assume because you gave me reason to sir. If you owned land, pay taxes, etc etc, than your views wouldn't be stronger, I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm just saying, learn from those of the past and what they've had to say instead of mocking it. I'd rather try and do something great and fail sir, than do nothing at all and succeed, or sit back and mock, which apparently is what you have subscribed to do. It is okay. Be still. I am weary of islamic violence, you I guess have not yet had enough.
War is delightful to those who have had no experience of it.
So loud was the wailing of women and children that there was not one man among us whose heart did not bleed at the sound...
@ pith and Jack, wiki describes "trolling" as someone trying to provoke an emotional response from a forum... so in that manner, yes, I am trying to stir your emotions, and if you respond, or if there are any responders, I have done just that to some degree.
Very good point. I underestimated your level cleverness. :P
I just got trolled, and didn't even know it.
Using too many quotes makes you look simple minded!
Says the man with no quotebot.
Astounding, just once more i am very busy today...
me? liberal?.....i dont know if i should be insulted or just laugh........i mock obama's campaign slogan and in your eyes i am a lib? look up the word. ( im a proud independent) methinks you need help with your deductions.
and posting drivel here helps how? no my friend one has two choices everyday, today i choose to laugh.as i need such.
and yes i am a land /homeowner, bought and paid for BTW as if its any of your business, also a veit vet, and have been working since 66. oh and my house tax's have resin 30% in the last three years hows yours?
Who isnt sick of it? but guess what these fools have been killing one another for century's and no matter what will continue on. screw em
Now if you'll excuse me i have a funeral for yet another fallen friend today.and really must go. have a good day.
astounding
A regular "psuedo-philospher" you are. Ever been to war, young man? It's easy to provide quotes that have been read. Perhaps you need to read The Man in the Arena by Theodore Roosevelt to give you insight.
Are you by chance related to Feisty?
"........no matter what will continue."
That sir speaks volumes about you. I appreciate your service. My father was a marine and in the navy. It wasn't any of my business, I didn't ask you're right. You're taxes are higher, your gas prices are triple what they were ten years ago...mine too.
I did not mean to mock you, take that how you will. But again, I go back to what you said, that "no matter what will continue." That just tells me that you don't believe in a solution to the problem in the Middle East.
Sometimes war, as hard as it sounds, is the only answer. Not now, I'm still advocating America's "sitting back" attitude. Let them kill each other and establish whatever government comes natural to them, whatever their course, they will still hate americans and jews and anyone non muslim. Which will lead to callings for the extermination of the Jewish race, the destruction of Israel, Kill Americans ...etc...etc...etc.
@Jack Yes, I have served two tours in iraq, I have a bullet fragment in four parts which will remain in my hip forever thanks to the bastard who shot me. Not related to Feisty.
As for Roosevelt, I think he would feel exactly as I would:
Theodore Roosevelt, The Man in the Arena-April 23, 1910.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.
then get a life and quit living in the past - strive for the future and what you can do to help make it better - quit waxing eloquently and either move, follow or get the h311 out of the way".
I wonder without your "quotebot" how many quotes you would know.
Jack, 1969-1993 - US Military, RVN, Grenada, Panama, Desert Storm and a few "other" minor engagements around this big blue globe.
Perhaps, Jack, I think it wise you study that quote from Roosevelt from the book you suggested then, if that is your opinion of me. For it was I who was in the arena, I was on the floor, I stood there on the sands of Iraq, I fought for this country, for you to tell me to "move, follow, or get out of the way" .... while I'm sure you're sitting on the sidelines doing little to nothing. One more quote for you specifically...
Many of the common people in the armies were desolate, fearing future poverty; and so they sold their bows and the cowards returned to their own homes.
Go on, pretend that this "big blue globe" of yours is not as small as it is, as if their problems do not touch us. Stay in Jacksonville Florida, on your sandy beach, watching the sun set and rise as the rest of the retirees do, while we try to build a world with the remnants of the bricks you left us.
you got the world all figured out - live in your world and enjoy life - as you know it. You may have stood in the sands but it sure as heck was not Iraq as your persona gives you away- why do you think Jacksonville, FL and not Jacksonville, NC?
FYI: I lived in various arenas: jungles, mountains, sandboxes and tundras. Ever hear of the Valor Act? What store did you buy your medals in? You do know that is illegal now? Go back to "your world" and revel in it, poser. Get a clue in life and live it, don't continue to be a "Walter Mitty".
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana
Winston Churchill is also credited with the variation:
"Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it"
A persons reality is determined by their life's experiences and the environment they exist in...
I have had the pleasure to travel the world and continue to do so. The one thing that has always stood out...
Everyone wants the same things;
1. To live in a safe environment, with food and shelter...
2. The ability to earn a living to support their family...
3. To enable their children to have a better future...
When these things are threatened, they will do what-ever it takes to obtain them...
If YOU are perceived as the threat, you are their enemy. Even if you are there to help them...
The reality of someone living in one area is nothing like the reality of someone from another area...
This is the underlying problem, when a person goes into a foreign land...
When a US Business person, tries to do business in Asia, the Asian Business person wants/needs to talk family ties and history. Many deals have fallen through, because the people involved did not understand the others motivations or social norms...
BTY - 26+USMC
Maybe we don't like Assad, but we are supporting the destruction of another country. It is beyond the pale.
Imagine living in Chicago and having the gangs rioting, burning and looting killing people with guns and bombs and strategical support coming from Canada. And why would Canada do that? They don't like Rom.
-the Canadians would never do that. They aren't retarded.
Kill them all, God will recognise his own.
quotes are seldom useful
-Tramp of Ia-
Ignorance is Bliss
You can believe all the news you read on the internet
- Abraham Lincoln-
Not knowing your history is evident. Ignorance, truly is bliss, and not quoting from those we admire, truly shows not just a lack of respect for them, but also it shows our true colors. Yes @K.Truant, the old "don't believe everything you read" is a quote just reworded to what you have said Abe Lincoln to have said....and I get it don't worry.... I'm just pointing out the irony, all you're saying is "Don't believe everything you read." Which is a widely known quote....your statement is contradictary. Bottom line, say something useful or say something pertinent, not some make believe quote from a historical character. That just shows you don't know your quotes or your history.
You probably need all jokes explained to you and must be a real hoot at parties...
"Better to listen and learn than to judge wrongly" - ME
Robots don't understand jokes. Maybe he is a robot. Quotebot!
I wish I had a Quotebot.
those who are totally devoid of humour are truly poor.............
me.....just now......
I understand all the satire and metaphors and the absolutely *that's sarcasm guys* hillarious abe lincoln quote that you stole from some television commercial. It's all good all I was saying is, I understand the jokes, I think they are worth something, I don't have a quotebot, and @K. Truant.... I like the quote, much better approach sir, and I agree with you.
"I may not agree with every word you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire
And scooter, that was good, seriously.
ty i try
WOW, a quote from a 76 Plymouth, I want to use it next time :-)
"Ain't Trollin' fun, specially from work" - ME TOO
A nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse (Rod Stewart). Get American money and troops out of the middle east. These people are stuck in 13th century time warp. Let them kill each other. They are good at it, feel it is justified, and no matter what we we do, we can't win their hearts and minds. If it was not for oil, they would be totally irrelevant.
We definitely need to get involved in this...
yep, first thing we need do is send in anyone who's name is bill..................
No way. Their guns would be turned on us once we established whatever it is we wanted. Happened in Iraq, happened in Iran, happened in Egypt, happened in every country we have tried to help. Islam hates non muslims, you've got to understand that. As soon as they would stop shooting each other, guess who their target is? Islam isn't a religion that calls for peace every spring. No no, it calls for war, beheadings, etc etc etc.... our forefathers would be ashamed. Those who went to the holy land, worshipped there, and now are denied that right to see or be on the Temple Mound. It will be rebuilt (the Jewish Temple) ... we might as well stick to our allies in the region send a couple fleets, and literally get the pope to call a crusade. If Europe, China, and Aussies and American/Canadians/Mexicans/South Americans truly tried to retake those spots, we could do it, we're just minimilazing, do it, and do it in force.
Nothing else to add astounding, you said it all. The US needs to stay out and let these Muslims battle it out on their own.
Your sarcasm is hysterical Bill. Too bad it went over some people's heads.
'When
you see contention amongst your enemies, go and sit at ease with your friends;
but when you see them of one mind, string your bow, and place stones upon the
ramparts.'
**********That is an Islamic Proverb************
But does it not apply here, in reverse? I say strike now while they are all disorganized, take the oil, wipe out Islam.
astounding
I agree completely, unfortunately only history will tell us what we did wrong. I also believe that both responses can be good if executed properly. There is no getting involved unless a strategy of absolutely cleaning house was in order without remorse or hesitation...
It's not enough that we do our best; sometimes we have to do what's required.
-- Quote by Winston Churchill
if you think its not right , go there and help
but leave your passport and citizen papers here and don't bother to call for "help"...................
When Israel rebuilt the synagogue known as the Hurva(ruin) since it was blown down in 1948, the locals made a big to do that it was a prelude to the Israelis blowing down the Dome of the Rock in order to build the Third Temple. They know it's an international landmark and wouldn't do that. The Syrians, in contrast, blew down the medieval market in Aleppo, officially an international landmark, when they didn't even know for sure what it was being used for, if anything. Way to take away tourist dollars, schnooks(expletive substituted).
lavrov and putin say to stay out of syria only we can go in because we want a warm water port they do nothing to move the helpless un forward they have the blood of thousands on their hands so dont come back with what america did in iraq at some point in time im sure it will come out that wmd from iraq ended up in syria these arab clans like to stick together we dont need to get involved militarily but the russians and iranians need to do the same stay out
yes brosol putina nd lavrov will listen to your advise and will tell obama and blair that you were right all along because i can not understand wtf are you mumbling about except that you for some reason hate russians and haven't learnt how to type because of retardation that afllicted you from earlu age but we all value your unusual take on terror attacks by islamists jihadists against syrian people lets blame putin and lavrov whoever that might be and indeed
So how is that Muslim Spring workin for ya?
From where I stand, not very damned well. End the madness, bring back our troops and close our southern border to illegal infiltration troops.
I agree with you 100%!!!! Obama needs to stop supporting Islamic uprisings world wide. What is he, some kind of communist Islamic radical working to overthrow our way of life by creating mistrust and class warfare? I guess I answered my own question!!
@deweydan
I hate to tell you this but you are quite late in your hoping that the US stay out of this, Barack Obama has been financially supporting Al Qeada fighters opposed too Assads government for a long while now. This is just one of the illegal wars he has involved our country in that may in the end lead to very large regional conflicts that could easily evolve into WWIII. If you don't believe what I am stating you should really do a small amount of Internet searching to discover the truth of Obama's actions that are endangering the well-being of our country.
Always was and always will be, these folks just aren't satisfied unless they're killing one another. I'm guessing it has alot to do with what they are taught.
Or the Koran they are reading from and studying....hrmmm so hard to put two and two together, lets see every muslim country on the planet seems to be always inflammed, engulfed in beheadings, suicide bombings, rapes, civil wars.....
Common Factor: Islam
I'm with you Jerry, these savages are in their element, fighting, shooting, bombing, rioting, stabbing, killing, etc....it's what Muslims enjoy doing. Let them have their fun.
if you look real close you can see the signature on the bomb it says love to the syrian people from putin and lavrov lavrov is to putin what pelosi is to obama
Or made in China.
putin to lavrov is what carter to stalin their signatures on the bullets that fly over iraque and bounce over there with millions of dead people watching how brosol look real close at the bombs that exploaded thousands years ago inside the big hen on the bottom of pelosi sea
alexp, you need to go back to school immediately. Your spelling is ridiculous.
Please Obama, stay out of this mess no matter what the Hawks are telling you, once the US arrives there all bullets will be aimed at us, they will unite to fight against us. Let the Billionaire Arab nations send Militia's and Private Armies over there to settel the score, the best way to end this is to let the Muslims end it. Once the Us get's involved in always get's ugly with US soldiers taking the brunt of the attacks. Sorry Syria, handle your business. Fight on for your freedom, you will feel better in the end when you can say that you did it without ground troops from the US.
You were born into paradise and you've made it into hell. When are you going to stop being so stupid? When will you figure out that you need to nuture your world instead of destroying it? Friggin retards.
You need to get on some muslim sites and start posting this. Their Koran preaches both peace and violence. (The violence quite graphic, rape and beheadings). It's islam that is the root of the problem.....sigh.....
Assad has said he will stay in Aleppo, but only if those 30,000 troops surround him and keep him safe. Syria will be a total ruin by the time the residents figure out they muse send Assad and his goons packing. It is amazing how much loyalty a little gold will buy.
Just wait 'til they find out how life is under the new goons who will replace Assad.
It's their country - if they want to blow it up that's their business not ours.
You can see the work of Al-Qieda or the other terrorist groups at work here. No matter what side win in this anything but( Civil War) the winner is going to have a time of it getting to the terrorist groups out of the picture. There have been allot of defections from Assad's regime hopefully the leaders that rise from the ashes will see to it that they get a good infrastructure with good honest people. If Assad holds onto power he pretty much has that, But if the people win they will have to try to keep the military and most of the leaders in order to show that all are invited to help make a new Constitution that guarantees that all people can get involved. I think Syria will be a beautifully country when this mess is cleaned up. I know people are saying the terrorist will still have Syria for a hiding place and a place to carry out missions I don't think so I believe that the leaders already know who the different groups are fighting and when its all over the new government will give the terrorist groups some time to clear out and if they don't clear out I think the new government will start hunting them down. Right now they will take any help they can get I don't know why the Anti Iran countries in the middle-east don't help more, a strong Assad helps Iran when the people of Syria control their country and move away from Russia China & Iran than you will see a good country that wants peace with its people Assad is nothing more than a murderer of mass proportions to use children so they won't be shot at how cowardly is that Assad's Ball's should be cut off and hung for all to see than keep him alive and in prison. I hope the new government can go there own way and not look to the Brotherhood for help that would be a shame. I don't really know what to make out of the Brotherhood but they wand Shariah law and that is not good that keeps people down and then they get some of those hate mongers they call clerics what a joke all they do is spew hate. That's why most of the middle-east countries don't want there women to be educated and know how to read and the ones that can seems like they can't interpret the words the way they written so they listen to these CLOWNS and they twist their Bible around to a hate manual that's why you see people burning them and defacing them but if they had clerics that didn't lie read them and read the true word of the Koran all would see its a work of beauty the clerics in most all middle-east teach hate for America & Israel even the ones that are suppose to be our friends seen it with my own eyes. Countries in the middle-east would be friendly to all if their Bible were tought the correct way. Nowhere in the Koran did I see where how Muslims were to hate other people its completely oppissit of what the cleric clowns teach.