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French police officers stand guard at the entrance of a building in Strasbourg, France, Saturday where a suspect was shot dead after firing at police.
French authorities raided homes in cities across France on Saturday, arresting 11 terror suspects and killing one who reportedly first opened fire on police.
"A vast anti-terrorist operation was conducted this morning," Paris Prosecutor Francois Molins told a news conference.
The suspects arrested in various French cities were affiliated with a Salafist movement and believed to constitute a jihadist cell, Molins said.
He identified the man who was shot and killed by police in Strasbourg after he fired on them, lightly wounding three, as Jeremie Sidney, 33.
Molins described Sidney as a French national who recently converted to Islam after spending two years in prison for drug dealing.
"Jeremie Sidney appeared to be a delinquent converted to radical Islam who belonged to a group suspected, without certainty, to want to enter into jihad," Molins said.
French authorities say Sidney’s fingerprints match those on a grenade that was tossed into a Jewish kosher market in Sarcelles, a Paris suburb, on Sept. 19.
Police had been preparing for Saturday’s operation for weeks as result of the investigation of the attack in Sarcelles.
The people arrested were between the ages of 19 and 25, The Associated Press reported.
In the house raids carried out in the Paris region, Strasbourg, Cannes and Nice, authorities found arms, large amounts of money and four wills, suggesting the suspects may have been planning an attack.
A statement from President Francois Hollande praised the police for the raids and said the state would continue to "protect the French against all terrorist threats."
The Sarcelles attack took place on the same day that a French satirical paper published crude caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad, and while anti-Western protests were growing against an anti-Islam film.
NBC News' Nancy Ing, The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
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Europe is closer to the Middle East than North America is.
It sounds like France is finally starting to take their problems with Islamists seriously. They have been so complacent for so long that there are parts of France where the French government and police have little control because the Muslims have taken over. They have taken over entire neighborhoods and basically instituted their own local government. The French police are even afraid to go into some of these areas because they are so completely outnumbered. This was illustrated when in one neighborhood the Muslims decided to have a big prayer event and completely blocked the streets, taking them over and turning them into and outdoor prayer hall. The French police stood by and did nothing to even try and break it up and clear the streets. While it is good to see the French finally starting to take some action, I feel that it may be too little, too late to make any real difference.
Sees Thru Gloss,
"Europe is closer to the Middle East than North America is."
If they have not moved either continent recently, I would have to say you are absolutely correct. :)
There is a quote by someone famous whose name I've forgotten that is apropos the relative youth of the men involved in this terror cell. This is not exact but close enough for government work.
"There are countless young men willing "to die for the truth", but very few willing even a few years trying to discover what it is."
Angry young man syndrome has always been and always will be with us; it is much easier to choose to strike out and destroy what you have been told is evil, rather than devote yourself to discovering what is right or wrong.
Such young men are easy to use and lead wherever you want them to go - like sheep; just keep your persuasions filled with little that requires them to make true value judgements or think too hard.
France is a perfect breeding ground for terrorists; high, high unemployment with little hope for gainful employment into which young men can focus their boundless energy; immigrants from sometimes violent then - and now - former colonies and a culture that would be extremely hard for anyone immigranting to it to asssimilate into it.
Perhaps the reason France has not taken terrorism too seriously this is because in the past they were perceived (by the bad guys) as willing to make whatever deals - read Saddam Hussein - that they needed to with whatever devil they had to hop into bed with - for safety's and money making sake? Unfortunately for France, those types don't stay bought.
My hope is that the Muslim terrorists will attack on too many fronts and hopefully the WHOLE WORLD will unite to wipe them out....
JS in SD - I realize that South Dakota is the hub of the information world, but you should get your news someplace other than Rush. Your statement is factually inaccurate. There are no (none, zero) places in France ruled by Sharia law. Nor are there any cities where Muslims have set up their own government. This is so much a lie that it is absurd to even discuss. If you believe these BS shovelers, then you are really gullible. I hope you are not buying from the advertisers - because one has to question the types of companies that advertise on these types of BS news shows.
These same news fabricators (I know that this is a big word - it means liars) stated that Detroit is also run under Sharia law - and this is also pure bunk.
Try to come off the farm and learn about the world before posting about it.
Viva le France! Keep up the good work, your foolish immigration policies on letting so many muslim scum into your beautiful country are now obvious! Wake up world...islam is the scourge of our earth, unite and stamp out this backward, hate filled, illiterate, cruel culture once and for all!
interested observer,
"JS in SD - I realize that South Dakota is the hub of the information world"
The SD in that name does not stand for South Dakota. It stands for San Diego. I used to think it stood for South Dakota, too, but JS explained on another thread that it stands for San Diego. But you are right about JS being very conservative.
We have the same issues in the states. Dearborn Michigan where it is legal to stone Christians while the cops stand and watch.
Aunt Anna 1.9
I did see that on the news and couldn't believe this was happening in America. I believe there was/is a rather lengthy video of this on Utube where the muslim crazies were stoning people while the police just stand around and actually are seen looking away.
The muslims take over streets in NYC every Friday for their overflow. So we have the same thing here.
Please....go to YouTube and type in >> Muslim Dearborn and see numerous videos of Muslims attacking innocent people in the street while the local police watch and do nothing. Muslims have taken over the town, the police, the city offices and even elected a Muslim to Congress.
This WILL be the way of the USA and of the world soon if we do not unite to stop them. wake up people!!!
It's about time frenchie starts 2 stand up 2 the muslim scum. Now do they have the balls 2 follow through & put these guys on trial& execute them & not throw up the WHITE FLAG, as soon as they are threatened with terror attacks. An american general once said "I would rather have 3 German divisions in front of me than a french division behind me.
Interested observer your less than brilliant attempts at witty sarcasm only serve to undermine your ill founded, generalist statements and frankly are offensive in their tone.
Part of what you said was true; part of what JD in SD said was true. If you truly believe that there is not a powerful and strong movement among Islamic fundamentalists in the U. S. and across Europe that is not doing everything at this time, at every opportunity, to push Sharia law as acceptable and enforceable then you are the one living in a news vacuum.
Troll........LOL.
Islam is like a virus. It has an uncanny way of spreading, even to western persons. I do not know what it is they find attractive in it. I read the Koran and found nothing attractive in it at all. I really don't get it. Viruses are not things you reason with or compromise with. They should be eradicated. Perhaps we need to study up on the nature of this virus so as to defeat it. One thing I can say already is that western Europe better wake up or they will find themselves swarmed much like Orks swarming Middle Earth. It is time to throw out Wormtongue and wake up the king of Rohan. If you don't know what I mean it is time to get out your Lord of the Rings trilogy DVD and view it again.
Wake up Men of the West!
And that type of thinking is what will get the United States of America Defeated. As, "Terrorism (Islamic Jihad) does not recognized National Boundaries (manmade lines on maps).
TYPICAL of your Troll Posts. When you cannot DISPROVE someone's Post, Attack the Posters.
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU LIVED AT FRANCE interested observer
Your post indicates what The Good the Bad and the Ugly posted:
And next you are going to say that you are "old". My response is going to be, not based on your posts. You can be old based on number of years; but, not mentally developed as a adult. And again your posts indicate exactly that.
It is so easy to do a Google Search, Youtube Search, etc.. Another indicator of what The Good the Bad and the Ugly posted, as your other posts indicate that you are TOO LAZY to even do the MINIMAL research required. And then fling your manure immature, emotive, opinionated, popularity based, non factual, posts all over Newsvine's "Get Smarter Here", and then the dumbed down all vote for your posts and even sometimes do exactly like The Good the Bad and the Ugly posted, folllow your rear end just like sheep.
You are marginalizing the shear numbers of "Muslim Terrorists" that actually exist (on many lists based on actual activities).
Think of how this works. The current Fundamentalist Islamic Laws at an Islamic Nation basically keep you from rising from being dirt poor and scraping a stick in the ground to just barely survive. Everyday since birth you have only known Islam, ever thing else is Illegal and not tolerated, even your peers would beat your arse to the point of becoming permanently physically crippled if you believe otherwise. Your parents keep telling you that the Jew boogey man is going to get you and take you to that firey place whenever you do something bad. At school as required by that Nation's Laws, you are required to learn and pass or be permanently expelled from school, the Mandatory School Curriculum of Hitler's Mein Kampf as a Success Story Sabotaged by the Jews, Christians; the Blame the Jews for Everything, "Protocols of the Wise Elders of Zion", the Holy Koran's 109 Suras of the 114 Suras that Call All Islamic Believers to War Against the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers. Since you were very young your first toy was a Made In Russia or Made In China scale rubber copy of an AK-47 Rifle, and the first organized game you played was "Kill the Jew". At age 10-14 you are given your first Kalashnikov, your uncle teaches you, first shooting at inanimate objects to show your new found power, then to animals, disassembly and maintenance become routine, you are taught the value of each bullet. Your uncle is not even a relative, as you were given as a Mandatory Islamic Tithe to join the Islamic Holy War, after your parents ran out of things to give as a Mandatory Islamic Tithe. And you know what happens when you run out of Mandatory Islamic Tithes, as now you are asked (ordered) by the Imams at the Mosques to collect these, with the lowest penalty being a beating after a written warning, then the removals of body parts starting with a finger, ear or nose. You know that this is absolutely necessary to provide the Trillions USDs per year to fund the Islamic Holy War. At age 15 you already killed an enemy, if you did not you are given a bomb vest; because you show no potential, if you refuse you are thrown to the streets to suffer as a beggar with your name known and used as an example of how not to act according to the Imams at the Mosques. You see on a daily basis the privileges of being an authority, and are given the opportunity to achieve that position of authority by joining the Islamic Holy War as a Holy Warrior aka Islamic Jihadist. Based on your actions and results you rise in the local Holy War, to the National, and eventually the International as an Islamic Superstar, your name is praised by every Imam at every Mosque Worldwide. You get to visit your real Family and Relatives and see how dirt poor they are, and that is what you do not want to become. You are selected to be trained by the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran's Special Forces, Quds, to overthrow the Enemies Allies Governments, at the Fundamentalist Islamic Autonomous Kurdistanis Region, you are given funds from the Mandatory Islamic Tithes to get you there. You achieve higher and higher positions of authority then currently being with the Fundamentalist Islamic International Al Quada Franchise, you are sent to another Nation to lead that Nation's Al Quada Franchise and the subordinateIslamic Jihadist Organizations. Eventually, you are allowed to retire, you become one of the previous local "uncles" to recruit and train more Islamic Holy Warriors based on required quotas; these recruits reflect directly on you, just one lousy recruit will shoot down all of your previous prestige. Your are the actual power behind the local Politicians. On many occasions you are asked to come off of Retirement to lead those you trained, and become knowledgeable of the current enemy tactics to change your training of current recruits. One of the jobs that your recruits routinely perform is the rebranding of enemy Humanitarian Assistance to your own Islamic Warrior brand, then selling this for below the average costs to the local population, part of this pays for your Retirement, operational expenses, the remaining profits are given to the Imams at the Mosques for redistribution thru "Non Established Financial Institutions" (Imams at the Mosques Worldwide) to other Islamic Jihadist Organizations Worldwide along with the Manditory Islamic Tithes collected from the local population by your Recruits.
I left out many things from the above that we are currently fighting at every level. The idea of giving them jobs, because their unemployment is causing them to join the Islamic Jihad, is also self defeating; as everyone does not want to be paid to dig a ditch, everyone wants to be the person telling others to dig the ditch. And you are fighting a Centuries Old Way of Life, not just an "Ideology" or the limiting Western Term of "Religion"; as an Asymmetric War, not a Conventional War.
So, Allen-2635884, you say the "WHOLE WORLD", consider the above first, then consider that for the longest time the Strategic Goal of the Chinese and Russian Federation is to get the US and US Allies out of their Backyards (Resources). The Chinese and Russian Federation use the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran as their "Proxy Fighter". The Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran uses the Islamic Jihadists as their "Proxy Fighters".
With all that in mind Allen-2635884 what do you believe the estimated numbers of Islamic Holy Warriors are; do not include their supporters, just the numbers of actual Holy Warriors of Islam.
Fascinating! But what the f*ck is your point??
You can't figure out what the point(s) is (are) yourself. I refuse to spoon feed anyone anymore. I will present the details and Facts based on firsthand experience, without omitting the details (aka the intentional errors of omission of Lawyers, aka lies, white lies).
Nor will I even attempt to oversimplify these Life or Death matters with one liner, barely sentences.
You want a job for a very long time, simple train for about two decades as a US Military Asymmetric Warfare Officer to get to our level (including college level language(s) and culture(s) for our Area(s) of Operation(s)) as our involvement against the Holy War of the Holy Koran's 109 Suras of the 114 Suras Call To All Islamic Believers To War Against the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers is not going to end for many Decades.
By the way IF you survive the decades of Operational Experience, go on a Fixed Income US Military Retirement, and get continually recalled to Active Duty (destroying your US Civilian Life and US Civilian 2nd, 3rd, or 4th Career (no one will hire you knowing your might be Recalled to Active Duty); don't blame me, I have told you in writing from experience. Our Career Field survival rate is from the almost thousand of us that started during the US Military Training Teams attached to the CIA's SAD/SOG to US Ally Iraq during the Iran Iraq Wars, rotated to Operation Cyclone, and almost everything since then till now left us with only a handful of survivors (still not listened to by most of the "Decision Maker" US Politicians, and US Military "Leadership").
WetWillie...The Dearborn, Michigan so-called Christians provoked the young boys into throwing the stones. The Muslims were trying to peacefully celebrate a festival among the people of their community, and the self-righteous Christians went there carrying their signs proclaiming only those who believe in Christ are going to Heaven, and broadcasting loudly all kinds of things that they knew would be offensive, then gleefully videotaped when the children started throwing the rocks. They were truly obnoxious and were told numerous times by the police that they were to peacefully leave, but of course the holier-than-thou Christians involved just could not leave it alone. Let's for once look at who was being intolerant here.
david 475....; cool it, you are never going to convince certain elements of what is really going on, just out-line the facts,(as you did well); France will be the first European nation(Bosnia not counted), that will have a Muslim majority within 25 years(they are breeding like rabbits), the French welfare system is very generous, the males in the Muslim family's only about 40 % are employed, the rest live off of their Government handouts for their very large family's; we are helping out by taking about 10 thousand per month as legal emigrants, with a re-location expenses based on family size of up to 3250. per month, plus housing subsidy's, food stamps and Medicaid.
It should maybe occur to code Pink that if Pakistan handled terrorists the way France did there would be NO NEED for drones. Do you see us showering drones down on France, even though they have terrorists hiding there? Of course not b/c France is doing the responsible thing and not hiding and feeding the terrorists that hate the USA.
Allen-2635884
I agree Allen, hope they spread themselves to thin, but the problem is, it seems they are recruiting at a very fast rate, they are targeting prisons, young impressionable boys of ALL countries. They make these kids feel like they belong and that they are cared about, when kids do not get this from home they look for anywhere to belong and to feel loved and the terrorists manipulate and know just the right things to say, and when these young men mature and realize that something is very wrong they are in too deep to get out.
Well, if you find fingerprints on a tossed grenade, it did not explode. Better that way. But terrorists allways keep trying to scare and kill in a never-ending conflict.
You really believe that. You can get a magnet gather most of the fragments and then reassemble the fragements to obtain fingerprints.
Also since you do not know (evident by your post), not all handgrenades are made as fragmentation grenades. The other grenades use other methods than fragments to kill or wound.
It's about time that European countries stand up to terrorism after being so welcoming of diverse religions for years. Whether the Muslims come from the Middle East or Asia or if they are French citizens who are converts, there's no room for tolerance when violence is on their agenda. France is a Catholic country, but very tolerant of others faiths and cultures. However, for another faith, such as Islam, to prepare to take over the country, is totally unacceptable as any Christians attempting to convert a Muslim country even through peaceful means would be murdered.
It seems that the problem growing in Western societies are young males who are citizens of Islamic faith or those who convert in prison or over the Internet. Older Muslims basically enjoy the freedom they have of not being targeted with continual violence.
it's only going to get worse, the solution---- public hanging or the guillitene
Seriously? Are you nuts or a time traveler from the 14th century? I have a feeling that the other 6,999,999,998 Muslims might get a little mad if you start doing that. Now I know you think you're all bad ass and all but that's a lot of Muslims.
And how is exterminating Muslims any different than what Hitler did to the Jews?
The real way is through understanding each other not killing each other. Flame away you silly rednecks!
Yes, big max. Like BP says we need to understand these terrorists, not kill them. Maybe if we put flowers in their hair they will behave...
BP would change his tune if one of his friends or family members were slaughtered by a Muslim terrorist. What a moron. Guess he's following the example of that other Moron in the White House. All that apologizing has done a lot of good, hasn't it? But don't tell that to the families of the American ambassador to Libya and the navy seals.
OMG.....I hope the French wern't profiling Muslims.....after all, Muslims are peace-loving individuals that tolerate ALL other races and religeons......Right? Yeah, right! Wrong! IF the vast majority of Muslims are peace-loving, tolerant individuals then why aren't they speaking our against all forms of terrorism?
TJC - perhaps you should read the article prior to posting. The french police following the fingerprint found on a part of a grenade - the fingerprint was that of a released criminal. They followed the criminal to the muslim group. This is not profiling - it is basic police work. Profiling does not work. Gathering evidence does work.
By the way - profiling was why 200k+ people of Japanese ancestry were gathered up during WWII - yet none of them were spies. Same with German nationals in the country. It turns out that most of the spies in the USA were americans (you know - white guys) who agreed with Germany and Japan (or were paid). Profiling did not work then, and it does not work now. And it turns out that capitalism has created more spies against the USA than anything else. How do you profile a greedy white man (Ames, Aldrich, Pollack, and the list goes on).
But - hey, why allow a few facts to get in the way of bigotry?
interested observer....you are dead wrong...profiling WORKS !!
That is because you are Moroccan and you are all bull@!$%# artists!
Converting people has always caused problems. Both Christians and Muslims have sent missionairies across the world in an effort to convert them to their religions. This has caused many problems throughout the world. In the 17th century, the Tibetans asked the Pope to send some representatives to Lhasa to explain the Christian religion. At first the monks were greated with hospitality. It did not take the monks long though to start destroying Buddhist religious books and they were expelled from Tibet. In about the 13 - 14 century a Muslim Turkish invasion started into India. The leader of the invasion came upon a Buddhist University that had existed for several hundred years. It was one of the finest Universities in the world and a intellectual gem for India. The Muslim asked if there was a Quran in the University. When the monks said no, he murdered everyone and destroyed the University. The Muslims seem not to have changed much and I sincerely hope though that Christians have but we will see with the rise of Evangelical Christianity.
Harry,
"It did not take the monks long though to start destroying Buddhist religious books"
Don't you mean the Devil's books? They did the same thing in South America with the books of the Maya. It didn't matter whether or not they could actually read what was in those books, they had to be the Devil's books! Actually, though, the problem they had with the Buddhists was that there are so many similarities between Catholicism and Buddhism that they thought the Devil had created a counterfeit of Catholicism to mislead people. Your post is a good one.
That premise of "Converting people", is wrong from the very beginning. As what we are (have been) attempting to do is stop their belief as an Islamic Duty to continue the Holy Koran's 109 Suras (majority) of the 114 Suras Calls to All Islamic Believers to War Against the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers.
This is Only made more difficult since only less than 3% of the 1% of US Citizens of the US Military are actually trained and more importantly experienced to accomplish this. Think really carefully (in terms of Life or Death) what that requires. Basically, you must be fully aware of ALL aspects of Islam (Political, Religious, Economic, Laws, Cultural, History, Motives, etc.), even more so than the Imams of the Mosques; you must know the language(s) (reading, writing, speaking to the intellectual level and knowing when to tone that down as not to speak down to others) of those Nations. Now add those requirements to the basics of decades of training (to make it so that you survive to gain experience) in Asymmetric Warfare.
See post#1.18 for the rest.
example: How would you stop the over 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers Celebrating the 20th Day of Ramadan, being the massacres of the Original Inhabitants of Mecca, as Christians and Jew Defenders, 624 A.D. Islamic Battle of Badr; without the support of the rest of the World that does not even know about Islam or even the basic reasons for Required by current Islamic Laws Islamic Ramadan Celebrations.
And because the Islamic Believers at the time only fighting and not being farmers, etc. as well as destroying Christian, Jew, Unbelievers farms, livestock, etc. the Islamic Believers were starving (start of the Looting and Pillage as Mandatory Islamic Tithes of anyone living in an Islamic Nation, start of Starvation as a Weapon of Islam). The current Ramadan fasting reflects the sacrifice of the Islamic Holy Warriors (Islamic Jihadists) fighting from sun up till sundown, as to why currently Islamic Believers are allowed to eat before sun up and after sun down during the Ramadan "Fasting".
Usually, the current Imams at the Mosques use Ramadan as the time for inciting the Islamic Holy War. So instead of giving examples from Ancient Christianity, or Jews, let's talk about TODAY what the Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Taoists, etc. are doing TODAY (21st Century, 2012) as Actions.
add to post#6.2.
And by the way do not even attempt using limited examples. Let's talk about the Entire aspects, not one or two individuals.
Sadly, too many Xians are Taliban minded themselves. The lack of loud and extensive protests speak volumes. I'm sorry to say all too many Xians are terminally uneducated. Evolution isn't 'Satan's Handiwork'. Evolution is a commonly viewed fact. The flip side is Evolution could be the method their god utilized as a tool (which doesn't make sense either, but then nothing else does in the stone and bronze age superstition).
The article was about terrorists, not evolution !
Personally, I believe in evolution, but you are way off subject.
France Seeks to Reclaim 'No-Go' Zones
The French government has announced a plan to boost policing in 15 of the most crime-ridden parts of France in an effort to reassert state control over the country's so-called "no-go" zones: Muslim-dominated neighborhoods that are largely off limits to non-Muslims.
The crime-infested districts, which the French Interior Ministry has designated as Priority Security Zones (zones de sécurité prioritaires, or ZSP), include heavily Muslim parts of Paris, Marseilles, Strasbourg, Lille and Amiens, where Muslim youths recently went on a two-day arson rampage that caused extensive property damage and injured more than a dozen police officers.
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In July 2010, Muslim youth in the La Villeneuve suburb of the southern city of Grenoble went on a rampage after police shot and killed an armed robber, Karim Boudouda, who had led police on a car chase after holding up the casino at Uriage-les-Bains, near Grenoble. The rioting started when an imam recited a prayer for the dead man in the presence of 50 Muslim youths who had gathered in a park. One of the youths fired a gun at riot police who were deployed to the neighborhood; the police then opened fire to disperse the crowd -- who then went on to torch 80 cars as well as several businesses.
In August 2009, around 40 Muslim rioters in the Paris suburb of Bagnolet hurled Molotov cocktails at police and firefighters; torched cars, and one person fired a handgun during a rampage prompted by the death of a teen pizza deliveryman who was fleeing from the police. The violence broke out after an 18-year-old, riding his motorcycle through the neighborhood, tried to flee a document check by police; the man lost control of his motorcycle, hit a barrier and died en route to the hospital.
In July 2009, Muslim youths torched more than 300 cars across France after the suicide death of an Algerian youth held in police custody on charges of extortion.
In October and November 2005, thousands of Muslim youths in Paris and other major cities in France went on a rampage after two young men in the Paris suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois were electrocuted when they entered an electric power substation while running away from police. Overall, the riots affected 274 towns and cities across France, and resulted in more than €200 million in property damage.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3305/france-no-go-zones
Islam, the religion of permanent offense and criminality.
The anarchism of the 1900s bear a striking resemblance to the jihadists who bomb the very same targets today...
It's easier, at first glance, to see the differences between the two ideologies. Anarchists loathed religion, seeing it as another form of tyranny to be destroyed; Islamists want their severe interpretation of religion to be obeyed by everyone. Anarchists were some of the first to fight for feminism and sexual freedom; Islamists want to imprison women in burqas and in their homes, and to kill gays. Anarchists demanded absolute free speech; Islamists chant "death to free speech". Anarchists loathed racism; Islamists are frequently racist against Jews. Anarchists wanted a society of absolute freedom; Islamists want a society of absolute obedience.
But neither had a very clear picture of what the world would look like after the smoke from their bombs had cleared. Their visions of the future were/are vague: both no-state and the caliphate were hazy hope-dreams. Below and beneath them, there were deep structural similarities.
They justified their attacks to themselves by claiming they were trying to give the wealthy, or the West, a taste of how "their people" felt. Yet in both movements, intriguingly, it was largely middle class intellectuals who turned to violence. Both Emile Henry and Mohammed Atta -- the leader of the 9/11 hijackings -- were engineers who found in mathematics a sense of purity and order and rationality that soothed them, and seemed like a refuge from a chaotic world. The leading anarchists in Europe -- Mikhail Bakunin and Peter Kropotkin -- were both Russian noblemen, just as Osama bin Laden is the son of a Saudi billionaire. (Bakunin and Kropotkin, however, strongly opposed targeting civilians.) They were people who chose to renounce their riches and side with the embattled tribe "beneath" them, and claimed to be fighting for its survival.
Both waves of violence were reactions to tectonic shifts in how power worked in the world...
A presidential commission warned that this crackdown only made the anarchist warnings about a police state seem prescient. To the young men teetering on an act of violence, torture and police brutality made the anarchists sound right -- and violent resistance necessary. The commission said the structural causes of the violence had to be dealt with instead, explaining: "The crux of the question is -- have the workers received their share of the enormous increase in wealth which has taken place in this country? The answer is emphatically -- no ... Throughout history where a people or a group has been arbitrarily denied rights, reaction has been inevitable. Violence is a natural form of protest against injustice."
The countries that had the harshest crackdowns ended up with the largest anarchist movements of all, while those that reacted calmly and kept their freedoms open saw the movements implode much faster.
see http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-worlds-first-terroris_b_316893.html & http://attackthesystem.com/the-original-terrorists/
You make your decision, 'Which remedy the USA has chosen'...
Those are just some of the reasons why the "West" ("Western Civilization") will automatically LOSE.
The automatic belief that Conventional Warfare, Western Rules of Law (including "Law Enforcement"), etc. apply to an Asymmetric War (the Strategic Asymmetric Warfare Goals becoming the "longterm permanent end game").
I hope it is not to late and I also hope that other countries in Europe watch and learn. Some of the more socialist countries are having to deal with people that use the system but refuse to integrate into their societies. Because they have waited to see how things pan out with the misconception that the majority of Muslims would want to integrate they will have a very hard time of it. Gee willikers maybe these termites will turn into butterflies.
France deserves a pat on the back for persuing terrorists on their soil. If the monsters who perpetrate violence against innocent men, women and children now have to worry about arrest and prosecution, everyone in France is more safe and more free. Keep up the good work.
I find it odd that in Libya some of the people went after the extremists that attacked the U.S. Embassy. But it seems that other countries in that region are silent. I have not heard of any protests against the extremists in any of the countries we are engaged in. Currently in The Horn Of Africa there are solders from various countries acting as advisors and I have not heard of anti foriegner protests either.
That's because we have U.S. Army Special Forces in Djibouti who put out the word. The word is, "You mess with the best, you die like the rest." Ever hear from a dead Jihadist ? The rest went to France. It ain't Berkeley.
Just a hypothetical.
A US Military Asymmetric Warfare Task Force that was at Nation Y for years of consecutive tours of living with the locals, returns to CONUS for R&R and Leaves. All R&R and Leaves are cancelled, as they know the Language(s) and Culture(s) of Nation X at US AFRICOM, as similar to Nation Y at US CENTCOM.
They are flown by USAF Supersonic assets from CONUS to US SETAF, inflight the Command Team is formulating and updating Mission Planning based on Actionable Intelligence (verified information from the Intelligence Agencies).
They arrive at US SETAF, and coordinations are made between US EUCOM, US AFRICOM, etc. so that they will be transported via MH-60s and MH-47s flying NOE to Nation X to evade potential anti aircraft and the knowledge of Nation X's Government. Their Mission is to first, using advanced forenics that the US Law Enforcement wish they had positively identify those responsible; second, terminate those responsible with extreme prejudice, instead of allowing US Law Enforcement to arrest, trials, convictions resulting in those convicted living a more confortable life than they currently live.
Their Mission is NOT to secure the location to become sitting ducks (targets) as static security guards.
Their Task Force's preferred method is to get the local population to go after those responsible for the rest of their lives, those responsible having to continuely look over their shoulders for the rest of their lives, as terror (fear) used against Terrorists. The local population of Nation X given the example of Nation Y, of Islamic Jihadists violent methods for obtaining Mandatory Islamic Tithes; and most that were the local population were the previous supporters of the previously overthrown former US Ally President of Nation X.
That is all just hypothetical, just like I told all of you before that the US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces were already the "Boots on the Ground" January to February before March announced Conventional War at Nation X.
Remember these from school? If all terrorists are islamists and all islamists are muslim, then all muslims must be _________?
Right! You get an "A"
Vive la France!
bravo la france :) enfin peut etre l europe ce reveille contre l islam? way to go france.
Most people think that the people of France will speak Farsi withing 50 years. The French have never been able to protect themselves and need help from other cultures. The Germans ain't going to help the arrogant jerks and the UK ain't going to help. So France, for the first time, is on its own. How long will it take the inhuman middle east barbarians to conqueror France?
Farsi is Persian/Iranian.. so saying the Iranians are going to take over France? At least know your cultures and such before being ignorant, just saying.
Really? Who do you suppose helped Americans gain independence from Britain by providing guns, ammunition, ships and other supplies? Was it Spain? Was it Italy? Was it Norway? Was it the Netherlands? None of the above. If it wasn't for France, you'd probably still be a royal subject.
Perhaps you should read a little about American history before you make asinine comments.
Perhaps you should learn some French History, like the Fact that it was the hatred of the British of the French King, that resulted in the French providing support to the American Colonists. As well as the British stated desire to use the British Stamp Act Taxes to pay for the expansion of the "American Colonies" using the British Military, by attacking the French Colonies to the West with the British Military.
The Overthrow of the French King occuring 1799 AFTER the American Revolution, 1783.
As far as Farsi (language), who do you believe is the primary force behind most of what has happened, as both the Overt and Covert Actions of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran.
Think 'Battle of Tours'. 732 AD. "They" are inside France this time. 3,4 or 5M-11=??
Hahahaha capitalism is the cause of spies!??? OMG some of you are so delusional in the comforts of your homes and professors. I truly hope at some point you idiots have to face reality. Is it possible to be a complete idiot and have an education? You cannot hug these terrorists and make friends people. It is not the USA's fault or capitalism's they want to kill everyone in any free non-Muslim ruled country. Get over your indoctrination and chick into reality.
The French will find a solution to this problem before America does. We have too many rights.
"11 arrested in anti-terrorist plot."
Let me guess! Muslims!!!
(reading article)
Yes, Muslims. Shocker. Such an amazingly hateful religion.
Get 'em Frenchies, get em. US liberals would be stunned to learn how little rights suspects have in France, and how long even citizens can be detained without charge. It would put their Gitmo hysteria in good context.
Reopen Devil's Island. Put a thousand of them on the island with knives. Leave. Come back six months later and see which one is left.
Nothing worse than a "convert" to a superstition, esp. Islam. Seriously, how stupid can a person be to convert to Islam? That's even dumber than converting to Scientology or Mormonism. At least he's dead. One less idiot with a zombie ideology and weapons. Islam is poison.
"The Sarcelles attack took place on the same day that a French satirical paper published crude caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad, and while anti-Western protests were growing against an anti-Islam film."
What's that supposed to mean? "Crude caricatures"? The character "Mohammed" was crude. He was a mass murderer, a pedophile and otherwise insane. Besides, he probably didn't even exist as an actual historical person. And, the "protests" weren't about the film. The were about nothing but the insanity of Muslims.
Nothing 'classier' than a beatdown from a gendarme,..good for France!
"would you like a bottle of wine, with your contusion?"
God bless the Frenchies!! Pull the troops and foreign aid from all mooslum countries, NOW! Trying to fight them while exonerating their moohamed cult as a "peaceful religion" is foolish. We didn't fight the Germans while explaining away nazi beliefs as peaceful and misunderstood. The USA should lead the way in denouncing islam. The founding fathers of this country correctly saw islam as evil while Bush pussfooted around the issue and Odumbo is a full blown believer in the cult of the false prophet. More moohamed movies! More cartoons!! More truth!!!
You hit that nail on the head when you say to treat it like Nazism. That has been the problem with the western world, we have been weak-kneed and fearful of telling it like it is, that Islam is a vulgar ideology, a political movement disguised as a religion. It should be heartily condemned.
It seems many common people in the U.S. see it like it is, but our political leaders are pussyfooting around apologizing all over the place to these Muslim crazies. We need to replace these pussyfooters. We need people like FDR or Truman who see it in more black and white like they did in World War Two when it came to the ideology of Nazism. Islam must be seen as Nazism.