Hands, Obama isn't paying for you I am! If you would have made the right decisions when you were younger, instead of looking for hand outs, you COULD pay for it!!!!!!

HandsOff, the problem with socialism: eventually, you run out of other people's money.

Imagine paying half of your meager salary to the government to support programs for the greater good. You will earn just enough to survive living in a shoe box provided by the same government. What's your incentive to make more and progress when your standard of living does not improve?

Enjoy poverty.

Whom ever banned sandwiches, obviously doesn't own a sandwich shop!

Handsoff

You sound like you wrote the priciples obama governs with.

"If you make more, I'll take more"

I personally will be retiring in a few years and moving out of this country and away from free loaders ... like yourself.

Hands Off...You should have planned better. The government is not paying you the working class is. You and your "Gimme more" attitude is what is wrong with this country. The working class tax payers owe you NOTHING.

Voting for Chavez was voting for a free government handout. Only the free money is coming from resources like oil. The world is turning it's back on oil and when alternative fuel sources take over, oil prices will collapse. What will the people do then?

you talk about humanity moving past desire for personal gain, and then you talk about your desire for the govt to take money from half the population, take their cut, and then give the scraps to the other half of the population that doesn't work. Socialism is greedy.

Wayne...it's already been tried in the former Soviet Union. Socialism/Marxism looks great on paper but it has one major flaw. It does not take into consideration human nature.

Too bad Americans cant see the BIG RED FLAG Venezuelans are waving!

My sons girlfriends family left Venezuela a long time ago!

It is amazing how devoid the minds of some humans are walking on this earth. They've either got malicious intent and blatantly accept a false governing style in public, and/or are so in love with their own fortune and power that they do it like they have a drug addiction to cocaine, which is also like playing with fire. Difference is in this situation we know it will be burning to the ground.

PEOPLE COMMUNISM DOES NOT WORK. WE HAVE TRIED IT IN THE PAST BUT ---- IT ALWAYS RUNS OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY. THEN IT IS OVER, BECAUSE OF PROBABLY A MANUFACTURED ARTIFICIAL WAR, IN WHICH YOU ARE REQUIRED TO TAKE UP A SLAVE POST TO GUARD YOUR "GREAT" WAY OF LIFE, AND FOR IT TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE ON SPREADING LIKE GOOD LUCK (OR CANCER IN REALITY). DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

THE WORLD IS ALREADY EVIL ENOUGH, COMMUNISM IS PURE EVIL.

Carl,

Could be...after all, Chavez said HE would vote for Obama. He must see something that he likes...

You need to educate yourself more on how an under whose administration Citgo went to Venezuela. The Conservatives in BIG OIL turn their heads to Socialist Governments when they are putting money in their pockets. Typical GREED MENTALITY!

Traffic Fanatic: I think "Hands Off" was being facetious and sarcastically agreeing with Patsycamoure3. I particularly liked the part where he says he's too old with bad knees to spread out a blanket to sell his stuff (boy - what a 3rd world picture that is!!)

Ha! Americans sold out for cell phones and food stamps. Even Chavez had to cough up free homes and pensions. Yes, we're going down the drain fast. All it takes is a few cell phones.

I swear to God BO Dems get all offended when you call them socialist/communist

But, all one has to do is read their remarks... - They champion communist policies

and they slobber at the idea of being able to force hard working

Americans to relinquish their tax $ to "help" support the slackers & the lazy in America....

News Flash BO Dems...Most GOP voters can & will LEGALLY protect their own money.

You want an Obama in the toilet economy? Watch us help you get there if BO is re-elected.

I plan to get fired - collect Unemployment...Buy Gold...Take my $ out of Obama Banks- Huncker down for the dismal days ahead - eat pop corn & watch the demise....

Deerhunterbow1

Sorry about your cancer

I am 64 military retired 20 + years service and didn't vote for Obama, nor am I a member of any party and I don't need to go live in Venezuela, not my country , the USA is and your suggestion is insulting that you like other think the solution to anyone disagreeing with you should leave the country.

I do hope you over come your cancer

LiarsInPolitics=duh

I am an independent and I didn't vote for Obama the last time, but will this time. And I have lived overseas more time then you have ,given I am military retired with 20 + years of service to our country. You live in the real world? lol So the rest of us live in a make believe one? I am far from being a liberal as you call me , but I am not a neo con, that sends people to live somewhere else when they don't see eye to eye with them. You may have been 8 years of your adult life overseas somewhere, But I was overseas have 3children born overseas and not once did I live on a military base choosing to live on the economy in order to understand the country I was living in. But discussing anything with you is useless for your mind is a closed mind and nothing very independent thinking about.

HandsOff…..

Love your posts; they capture the essence of today’s thinking and behavior perfectly. Wish we had more like you, you made my day.

: ). : )

First off, there was never any real doubt that Chavez would win. Anyone who does not recognize that the outcome of the election was determined before the polls ever opened is either completely naive or just deluding themselves. There is no way that the egomaniac Chavez was going to give up power, even if it meant rigging the election. The problem with Chavez style socialism, like any other socialism is that eventually these governments always run out of other people's money to spend. Even this article acknowledges that Chavez spent so much money buying this election that they are going to have to print more money and devalue the currency by early next year. This essentially takes away the savings from every single person in the country and gives it to the government. It is no different than if a company issued new shares of stock to itself, essentially decreasing the percentage of the company owned by all the existing shareholders. Chavez will print more money, essentially putting a higher percentage of the total money supply in government hands and reducing the value of the money the people have. You can not continue doing things like this for very long before the people are all paupers who are dependent on the government for everything. The former Soviet Union is a prime example of what eventually happens to socialist societies, they collapse under their own weight when the people have so little left that they revolt and force a change. It is no accident that the socialist system in the Soviet Union collapsed and was replaced by a capitalist one. Obama wants to turn the US into another Venezuela. He think that the Chavez system where everyone is dependent on the government is the right way to go. Obamacare was the first step towards nationalizing health care, which is his first step on the road to the future he sees for this country as a socialist system.

Dictators in a country of people who are afraid to vote them out always win elections. If those people would stand up against this they would be much better off, well if there wasn't a huge war due to their defiance of opression.

America needs to never allow anyone to be so powerful in the President's seat that they become a dictator over us.

HANDS! Thanks for the sarcasm. Too bad some of the folks here didn't read your posts closely enough to get your real message. You are SPOT on in your analysis of Obummer supporters!!!

HandsOffMyMedicare!! Doesn't anyone else here recognize satire when they see it? I thought your comments were right on and funny. I'm waiting on my free cellphone...I guess you already have yours? It's funny how many people you riled up...I guess they have the morning grumps.

Marxism is not democratic socialism. It is more closer to totalitarianism than a democracy. Contrary to popular belief, a fully democratic sosialism has NEVER been tried. When we get rid of the "money" aspect of everything, then we will have gotten over the hump. ...But, some people can't get the "money" thing out of their minds. It's either "your money" or "my money" or "their money". They think that everything has to have "money" tied to it. Just get rid of money. We as a race of beings don't need it. We only need food, water, and shelter. Everything after that is a bonus. It's the "bonus" (AKA greed) that everyone is in a crazed tizzy about. Some people think they should get paid more than the next person because of things outside of themselves. People should have better because of their labor not their social status or being economicly fortunate.

I'm surprised Huge Jaw was wielding a REPLICA of Simon Bolivar's sword since the last I heard, he was digging him up for a modern autopsy. I'm also sorry for the people of Venezuela that their nation is still in the hands of this eccentric tyrant.

Here's hoping that Venezuela continues to have free elections and the next one nets a better result !!

Venezuela's Hugo Chavez wins 3rd term, vows to deepen socialist revolution

Exactly what we can expect if we re-elect BO on Nov 6th. Don't let it happen, American citizens!

Night Hawk

I am sorry if I misunderstood your point in your post. I appreciate your service to our Country. I thought you were trying to say that Chavez has the correct idea. We have a choice in November Odumbass or Romney. While I do not have 100% confidence in Romney, My vote will go to anyone that will keep the Kenyan out of the drivers seat. He has had 4 years of complete failure & if anyone wants to see where we are headed. Take a look at what Chavez has done. That's all I need to know when I vote. By the way, I think my cancer is being killed off & I feel pretty good. Thank you for the kind word about it.

Here is a list of what Hugo and Socialism get you.

• Declining Gross Domestic Product. GDP fell, according to government figures, by 3.3% in 2009 and shrank 5.8% year-to-year during the first three months of 2010, while all other regional economies were gaining. The International Monetary Fund projects a full year 2010 decline of 2.6%, putting the country with the largest oil reserves outside the Middle East in a worse economic state than Greece.

• Investment, foreign and domestic. Investment is virtually non-existent, but disinvestment is rampant. In the last decade, more than 4,000 businesses have shut their doors, with several factories relocating to the Colombian coastal city of Barranquilla and other friendly locations.

• Government confiscations of private enterprises. Well over 120 established firms across every segment of the economy have been seized, more than 75 of them in the flailing petroleum sector.

• Unemployment. Officially 8.2%, the unemployment rate is skewed because government surveys count anyone working one hour per month or more, plus occasional street vendors, as “employed”. In addition, firing employees is forbidden. Only one economist with whom we spoke would hazard an estimate of what is clearly a very large figure. His unemployment estimate: at least 30%.

• Violent crime. Crime is so rampant that caraquenos resignedly describe their city as the murder capital of the world.

Just to name a few of the problems.

of topic, buti like keep my hands off my medicare. the real deal with medicare, yes people paid into and are entitled to the healthcare, but actually people pay for the current medicare recipients and will be paid for by the younger workers, and therein lies the problem, sort of a ponzi scheme, healthcare costs are out pacing the pace the workers are paying in, and right now we have an influx of retirees. also we have a downturn in the economy, we have subsatantially increased the living of the those in poverty. it's a real problem and needs to be changed, I for one think those in so called poverty have it to good, oh i'm so uncaring, the welfare class does not deserve to live betteer than those who worked to retirement.

Democratic Socialism- first off-You need to get up off the couch to go get your food and water. Do not worry. The government will assign you a job if you do not have one!

You will go to this job and you will work. The amount of food you receive will depend on your production!

Do not worry about housing. The government will assign you housing!

Do not worry about Education. The government will assign you a course of study base on your IQ scores!

Do not worry about Health care. The government will care for you according to your station in life! The more important you are to Society the more care you will receive!

Do not worry about the number of children you are going to have. The government will tell you how many you can have, and possibly the sex of each child!

Only the people at the top of the heap will be considered well to do. The rest of us will be considered middle class!!

For all you nay sayers out there who don't want voter id laws, take note. When ballot boxes are stuffed this is what happens. Dictatorship.

Just one question to those chavez defenders that want socialism here in america. Who is more greedy, the one that made the money or the one that expects those that made the money to give it to them?

Well venezuela WONT be lining the pockets of the IMF and oil companies for a few years, awwwwwwww All those foundation families will have to wait till he dies or kill him to rape that country..... damn him,. lol.

How exactly is an elected official a "dictator"? what the heck are you guys saying? You don't even have a reason to hate this guy other then he was rude to your GOD, George Bush.

MR> love2troops. If we get offended, it's because we understand that you have no idea what the words mean. And that your only intention is hate. This group keeps popping up in my area to protest obama. On one sign they call him a socialist, the next sign a fascist. As a tree hugging liberal I understand that being a socialist and a fascist, is like being a tall midget, or a fat thin man. It's actually kind of comical accept that you hurt our nation. heres a little hint. In fascism, as in the Fascismo party of Italy in the 1930s and 1940s, the GOV. and the CORPORATIONS contol the resources and rule together. KinDa like dick Cheney and the oil companies having secret meetings and having said meetings classified.

So maybe you can explain this. the dow average is the main measure of capitalism. it was 7K to 8k under Bush. it is now over 13k. So how does a socialist drive capitalism up? see? this is why we think you guys are just mean angry fools. Any questions?

Medicare covers knee operations!!

hands off

love your posts keep up the good work. some people will NEVER get it.

Deerhunterbow1

We are cool. And your welcome.

Glad your cancer is getting better. I do hope you reach fully recovery soon.

I guess that it is not too surprising that the subject of this thread instantly swung to Obama, and how he represents [today] the evils of socialism. Nobody here really gives a rat's a$$ about Venezuela; I cannot even remember how to spell it.

But Obama is not the ardent socialist most of his critics make him out to be. It is only that the mainstream of political discourse has shifted so far to the right in the last 30 years that programs once espoused by conservative heroes like Ronald Regan, such as earned income tax credits, are now viewed as tantamount to communism.

In the meantime, our nation, and our middle-class sector, has grown steadily poorer over the intervening years. Yet the mantra from the right wing continues to be, we just need to move a little further to the right and the 1950s will return (when the top, marginal tax rate was at 91% ?!??), with prosperity for all.

Reagan, the ardent socialist: who'd have thought so in 1981?

Of course tomorrow, some of the same conservative pundits will be claiming that Obama is a closet Islamic radical, intent on bringing sharia law to the U.S.

Godless socialist, or servant of Allah: it gets confusing as to which dire peril Obama represents.

Obama is just a politician, folks, not the anti-Christ, or the second coming of Karl Marx.

Do you think that Chavez makes his opponent "Disappear" after this??

the poor and lower wage earners now outnumber the producers and middle class in Venezuela, Chavez is their champion; he will now seize all means of production in his quest to turn that country into a Cuban style Communist country, something to think about in our upcoming election.

Something to think about when we vote as the Venezuelans did and look how they voted. They preferred freedom regulated by the government instead of slavery controlled by corporations. America is on that path and is better off because of its social programs. Who could imagine going back to strict capitalism where only the rich get educated, health care, no social security or medicare for old age but work until you die, and everybody else is a share cropper? I'll take progression!

People keep supposedly quoting Regan, the best social program is work, but he lived the last half of his life off the taxpayer. Funny how those who collect the most from the taxpayer complain about others that collect much less from the taxpayer.

Oil is fueling their social programs. I can't imagine any democrat here in the US being thrilled about where the money is coming from. Much like Iran, they long ago ceased making investments into that industry and are now seeing considerably less oil profits to fuel those programs. You would think that would scare these regimes knowing that is the ONLY thing that keeps them in power. But, apparently they aren't even that smart.

I believe that it is extremely easy to just set up any sort of business a make a tiny living there. That is because they don't have the regulations we have in this country that impair economic growth. So if I want to start a business making cakes in my house, I cannot do that anymore. They can do that still.

I agree regulations are needed for all industries, but they come with a steep cost and many are unnecessary and deflate the enthusiasm for a start-up business.

BTW, years ago anybody could drive a taxi in NYC which was evidenced by many immigrants becoming taxi drivers. Not today. 1 million is required to join. Unreal.

wtw of KC

HandsOff…..

Love your posts; they capture the essence of today’s thinking and behavior perfectly. Wish we had more like you, you made my day.

So many pathetic people in the world HandsOffMyMedicare started its account less than a week ago.

You are supporting a person who is just stirring up trouble and is openly supporting communism and socialist agenda that is anti-American and goes against everything our free market and gov't stands for.

Liberals are truly blind and worthless to America and the world.

People run this free market are nothing more than a bunch of legal CROOKS and oppressers!

So here is a question: you live a country, your government owns huge parcels of land (and sea) that are oil rich.

Why the fcuk would you want a foreign company to come in and make BILLIONS in profit off that oil while the government only gets nickels on the dollar? Then you have to pay $4 a gallon for that gas? To oppose that sort of "socialism" is so fcuking retarded, it befuddles me. How small does your brain have to be to oppose something like that? I gotta say, the propaganda machine has done a number on you idiots.

By the way...Sarah Palin and those capitalists in Alaska don't seem to complain about getting a "handout" because of Alaska's oil (no sales tax in some cities, a check EVERY YEAR FOR EVERY RESIDENT!!!). None of those capitalists in Nevada don't seem too concerned about the "handout" they get in the form of no State taxes thanks to gambling income.

Would I want oil and all energy production in the US to be government owned? Fcuk Yea! Why would I want to not only help Exxon Mobile and other oil companies make BILLIONS in profits (RECORD PROFITS RECENTLY - MORE THAN ANY CORPORATION HAS EVER MADE), and then STILL subsidize their operations through tax breaks they receive?

If you aspire to that sort of serfdom under the corporations, which comes complete with the rape and murder, then good for you. Hope that works out. Call me Socialist for not wanting to take it up the @ss (no offense to gay people) from companies only concerned about their own bottom line, I can live with that.

Obama. Chavez. What's the difference? They love each other

Someone posted, in another article, Democrats are the ones borrowing money to get educated with higher degrees. I see you are a Republican.

You have no connection to support your statement but in reality you support Chavez every time you buy gas. Are you going to continue to support him are stop driving? That's alright I know the answer, you would support the devil if your life were easier. So stand up and be a proud Chevez supporter, no sense in being hypocritical.

As a REAL free market advocate it cracks me up the neocons think one Keynesian or the other (Obama or Romney) are better for the economy. Keynesianism tanked the economy via the existence of the Federal Reserve's monopoly on money and interest rates. It was the oversized money supply and under-market interest rates that spurred consumption and credit people otherwise wouldn't have spent/had. NO Keynesian is a free market advocate...even Milton Friedman's son and grandson abandoned Milton's Monetarism (a form of Keynesianism). Only the Austrian School of Economics are free market.

"You can't have a free market work without regulation..." --- Mitt Romney in the Presidential debate

Someone needs to have Mitt look up the definition of free markets, or read Adam Smith, David Ricardo, Frederic Bastiat, and/or the modern free market advocates in the Austrian School:

A free market is a market where the price of a good or service is, in theory, determined by supply and demand, rather than by governmental regulation.^[1] A free market contrasts with a controlled market or regulated market, where price, supply or demand are subject to regulation or direct control by government. An economy composed entirely of free markets is referred to as a free-market economy.

Although in contemporary usage free markets are commonly associated with capitalism, free markets have been advocated by socialists and have been included in various different proposals for market socialism.^[2]

Free markets are not "left" or "right", because that false paradigm DOESN'T EXIST. If you advocate ANY regulation on the market, you ARE NOT a free market advocate. What both capitalists and market socialists mean by "self-regulated market" doesn't imply some magical belief (which anti-market people mischaracterize by misdefining the concept of the Invisible Hand, which is simply a metaphor), it explicitly means the self regulating nature of non-interfered with banruptcies and acquisitions PLUS the only "regulation" allowable in the definition of free markets; harm and fraud being prohibited.

And even that (prohibited harm and fraud) could be done in a private way, not necessarily by the state. This is evident in dispute resolution services like private arbitration. But hey, that would mean the state would have to allow a FREE MARKET in law (dispute resolution) so that competition with their coerced monopoly on that market demanded service could drive down costs, drive up quality, amd allow for more accountability. But who wants that (/sarcasm)?

Neither Romney nor Obama can help the free market...they both stand completely against it. The difference between the two in economics is the difference between beer and wine in beverage selection...sure, they're different beverages, but in the grand scope of all possible beverages (water, soda, juice, etc.) they are far more similar than different.

So yet again, this election we have a false choice between Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee, Tyrant A and Tyrant B, sociopath 1 and sociopath 2, habitual liar alpha and habitual liar beta...no real choice at all.

I see one thing here...if Obama wins the short term is worse...but the longterm is better. Why? Because until free market advocates are in the Democratic Party, we are stuck with only one liberty movement and free market movement in this country - the libertarians in the Republican Party (a minority group in that neocon Party). If Romney wins, we get 8-12 years before an ACTUAL free market advocate can run again. If Obama wins we only have to wait 4 years for a libertarian to run again.

This is why, in terms of longterm health of our country's economy and freedoms, the best game theory strategy is to vote for Obama or a 3rd Party candidate, or not at all. I'm not which of the three I will be doing...it will be up to what I can stomach that day. I just hope Obama wins so we can get a REAL free market candidate in there in 2016 instead of waiting until 2020 or 2024 if Mitt wins.

One thing is for sure...Mitt and Obama are the enemies of liberty and free markets.

This is what I think of every 4 years:

Four more years of War is Peace, Ignorance is Stength and Slavery is Freedom,

Four more...May all your interventions be "Humanitarian",

Four more years of pay-to-play politics, power and influence,

Four more years of legalized bribery and served corporate interests,

Vote for tweedle-dum or tweedle-dee

And a framework of debate narrowed for you courtesy

Of the ultra-rich and a media that filters

Out any voice that challenges their power

(like Nader bounced in Boston by state-troppers Cos he don't speak for oil-tycoons and bankers),

Oh yeah...

Whose pursuit of happiness and liberty

Demands a rhetoric of fear to be

The litmus test for viable heirs to

The phony drug-wars, the trumped-up rogue-states, the permance of a war-economy?

As the liars pave their way through...

Four more years of War is Peace, Ignorance is Stenght and Slavery is Freedom,

Four more....May all your interventions be "Humanitarian",

Four more years!

Of pay-to-play politics, power and influence,

Four more years!

Of legalized bribery and served corporate interests

BTW...actual free market advocates are against corporate personhood as we only believe in individual rights, not collective "rights". We realize that corporate personhood is purely a state invention and a form of cronyism and protectionism. We also realize, therefore, it is anti-free market. So are immigration restrictions beyond medical checks and criminal background checks....because it's the market that should "regulate" immigration rates and labor markets, not the state. But anti-free market folks will call for closed borders or quotas on what kind of skilled or unskilled workers can enter the country, while thinking themselves in favor of free markets. They are ignorant and confused. Wages of natives, and indeed native standards of living, are brought UP by immigration not down. Any economist worth a crap can prove via the data that the more immigration the better off the economy...as immigration is conducive to economic growth and always has been.

But good luck explaining that to most anti-free market Republicans and Democrats...they wouldn't understand economics if you taught it to them (and many have been "taught" it). They use economics as a foil for their worldview, instead of shaping their worldview via the data in economics. Philosophy is very important, believe me...but if it isn't rooted in the possible (via economics), it's worthless. It becomes a Utopian pipe dream.

Clearly, almost every poster here misunderstands basic economics because they listen charlatans like Reich, Krugman, Laffer, etc. Neocon and "progressive", or liberal, economists have an agenda...and it isn't improving the economy (although they will ie and say it is). They are sophists, not philosophers.

But the majority is almost always wrong...slavery was massively popular at one time. I revel in the fact I understand and therefore dissent from majority opinions that are simply dead wrong. If the majority agrees with me, I start to seriously question whether I'm correct or not. In economics, and a few other topics, intuition will ead to ruin. Economics are deductively logical and counter intuitive.

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Now THERE IS A MAN WHO KNOWS THE GREATER GOOD FOR A SOCIETY!!

Mr. Chavez understands that Society can only work when all citizens are giving All their resources to GOVERNMENT and the government is running All companies and Programs!!

Wow! Can you say ignorant? Communism has tried this in multiple societies and failed miserably. How can that be ignored? Chavez is succeeding only because he has vast oil wealth to 'redistribute'. Also, his oil industry is slowly declining because he will not maintain his production ability for the sake of 'poor people'. Eventually all this 'free money' for the lazy ungrateful 'poor' people will end and they will have to go to work for a change.

It scares me to see that many people still think that government is the answer to all their needs, but it ends up the other way around, government ends up screwing everyone, time and time again.

See historic evidence.

Nana-2180798

Americas future??

We can only hope.

Good for Chavez! I hope he raises the price of oil to piss-off all you right wing haters here in the US!

When in boot camp my sargent asked for all those who volunteered to move to the right, after wards he said to us " I do not want to ever hear you complaining about one single thing, you ask for this. To the ones who were drafted he also said complain all you want but you still have to live with it". This story is the same for Venezuela and for America. Vote for Obama and live with it, no complaining, your gas, electric, automobile, healthcare, drugs, double in cost, keep your stinking mouth shut.

Good for Chavez! I hope he raises the price of oil to piss-off all you right wing haters here in the US!

Ever since the Government took over the oil industry their production has been going down. The infrastructure is falling and withthe economic conditions as bad as they are they need all the money they can get. He can't raise prices because we can just buy more from Canada, Russia, or the middle east. What pisses us right wingers off is you would rather give you money to the Middle East, Russia, and Venezuela then Alaska, Texas, Lousiania, North Dakota, Colorado, Ohio, ect... ect.... We don't need Venezuela we have our own energy.

Hugo wins again. My how suprising. If I recall correctly last time he was loosing by about 10% a few days before the election and won by about 10%. What a co-ink-idink. I'm not sure if Jimmy Carter verified this one, but I'm pretty sure he did the last one.

Things to take from this: Communist/socialist leaders have "ways" to keep winning "free elections" and stay in power. Chavez continues to seize control of international corporations in his country and take over everything of value and power. He's working with the Russians and the Chinese and it looks like the Russians may have a nice base coming soon (well within reach of.... us). Keep tuned.

Saw Red Dawn over the weekend. Just watch the intro part- it kind of sounds familiar now.

Reasons to fear Willard Romney.

Williard believes when he dies, because he is a baptized Mormon
he will become a God! So no matter what he does or says he will simply have to
say he is sorry to God when he dies to become a God.

Willard Believes Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we
were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).

God used to be a man on another planet, (Mormon Doctrine, p.
321)"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits
enthroned in yonder heavens!!!

God resides near a star called Kolob, (Pearl of Great Price,
p. 34-35; Mormon Doctrine, p. 428)

After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of
becoming a god, (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345-347, 354.)Then
shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject
unto them," (D&C 132:20).

There are many gods, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).

God is married to his goddess wife and has spirit
children.(Mormon Doctrine, p. 516).

Jesus' sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our
sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses,
vol. 3, 1856, p. 247).

"ChristNot Begotten of Holy Ghost ...Christ was
begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was
God!" (Doctrines of Salvation, by Joseph Smith, 1954, 1:18).

If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration,
there would be no salvation (Mormon Doctrine, p. 670).

"One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by
Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of
God;(Miracle of Forgiveness p. 206).

Jesus' sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our
sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses,
vol. 3, 1856, p. 247).

There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a
prophet of God (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 188

"As these sins are the result of individual acts it is
just that forgiveness for them should be conditioned on individual compliance
with prescribed requirements 'obedience to the laws and ordinances of the
Gospel,'" (Articles of Faith, p.79). Another words Man forgives you.

"Many men say there is one God; the Father, the Son and
the Holy Ghost are only one God. I say that is a strange God [anyhow]--three in
one and one in three. . .It is curious organization… All are crammed into one
God according to sectarianism (Christian faith). It would make the biggest God
in all the world. He would be a wonderfully big God--he would be a giant or a
monster," (Joseph Smith, Teachings, p. 372).

Do want a person who believes he is God to be President.

Taken from Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry carm.org

As a REAL free market advocate it cracks me up the neocons think one Keynesian or the other (Obama or Romney) are better for the economy. Keynesianism tanked the economy via the existence of the Federal Reserve's monopoly on money and interest rates.

proindividual - Knowing, as I do, that the Federal Reserve has been around for about 100 years, a span of time which encompasses both the Great Depression and the greatest period of economic prosperity ever experienced by this nation or any other, I find you opening statement both nonsensical and humorous. If the Federal Reserve's control of both the money supply and interest rates are intrinsically linked to the recent financial and economic crisis, then how is it not also linked to the 1950s and 1960s, when the U.S. economy was the most vibrant on Earth?

Nevermind, anybody who believes that the correctness of a economic theorist is in some way linked to familial loyalty, or lack of it...

.even Milton Friedman's son and grandson abandoned Milton's Monetarism

...is not someone from whom to expect rational, and well ordered thinking.

So yet again, this election we have a false choice between Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee, Tyrant A and Tyrant B, sociopath 1 and sociopath 2, habitual liar alpha and habitual liar beta...no real choice at all.

Keep cracking yourself up, chuckles. You need to look up the meaning of both "tyrant" and "sociopath", as from you post, you plainly have no understanding of either word.

Things to take from this: Communist/socialist leaders have "ways" to keep winning "free elections" and stay in power.

Yep you're right, consider the 2000 and 2004 US elections.

Unfortunately Venezuela hasn't felt comfortable with their country being controlled by big oil companies. And after seeing what Iran has gone through for over a century it is understandable. Consider the fact that the CIA led a Coup to overthrow a democratically elected Iranian Prime Minister in 1953 because he wanted to nationalize their oil industry. Funny how quickly the US turns against country if they don't let us control their oil and economy. It would be amazing to see how fast Chavez would turn from a turd to a hero if he would only give up control of his oil to the one percent.

Did the Venezuelans, or Americans ever doubt that Chavez would not win the Election again.

They are possibly stuck with him for another 20 years, ruling Venezuela.

As one voter who was interviewed said, "I can't tell anyone who I voted for". Surely, if he had voted for the Opposition, he'd be a dead man.

Venezuela is another Cuba---"Stay in Line", or be executed. That is what they call their Freedoms.

As one voter who was interviewed said, "I can't tell anyone who I voted for". Surely, if he had voted for the Opposition, he'd be a dead man.

A Fox News interview. Actually, in reality interviewed voter has live in LA for the last 20 years, I presume.

Can anyone explain why it's always the stupidest of posters who tell others they need to "educate" themselves? There's nothing more irritating than a condescending idiot!

We need to liberate the people of Venezuela as well as Iran and North Korea. Vote for Romney/Ryan 2012 so our military can get the funds it needs. The leeches in this country are terrorists and hate America. If they can't care for themselves then we need to put them in prisons so they will get the care then need.

We need to take our country back! Romney/Ryan 2012

Ha, hilarious.

Yes the election down there was a dog and pony show made to look as if the people had a voice.. So what is the difference between them and us?? The Election here is so tainted it is not funny.. ACORN helped a bunch of people vote several time and even the dead got to vote.. Law suit after law suit to allow people to vote without having to have an ID.. No chance that will aid vote fraud will it.. Our democracy is gone, replaced with a non stop TV show to keep us entertained.. It is all about the big money movers and the power they have over everything.. How often do the elected puppets do what is in the interest of the working people.. About the same rate that the big corporations do when they are moving factories to China.. All kinds of technology that would end our dependence on oil but where does it all go???

Hugo Chavez - Barack Obama's idol............

You want to see what you get with 4 more years of Obama?

Here is a short list:

Venezuela

Greece

Spain

Portugal

I don't know about you but I like the United States I grew up in. If you want to live in a Venezuela economy then pack your bags and have a nice flight. I don't understand why people who live in the United States, and don't LIKE the United States, find it so important to CHANGE the United States?

The United States stands for freedom and liberty. For decades people have risked life and limb for the CHANCE to live in the United States and have an opportunity to succeed that they couldn't do in their country. So YOU want to change that? YOU want to take away that opportunity by keeping Obama four more years?

Sorry, if you don't like the United States then move to any of the currently failing Socialist countries - I'll even pitch in for the cost of the airfare. But we will NOT let you change OUR country from what it has been since the Constitution was signed in 1787. If you don't like the United States then leave.........

Its not bad enough that the the Republicans have fueled a climate of fear in the US with lie,after lie,against the President.But now we have someone calling themselves "Hands Off" playing an old Nazi trick. They attacked their on own radio station and then claimed it was done by Poles to get a reason for war. While "Hands Off" wasn't at that extreme.By pretending to be a supporter of the President to spew out mis-information that are the false stereotype of what the Republicans accuse him of,is despicable. Romney has no ideas that would appeal to the American people,so you guys have to run a campaign on lies,half-truths,racism and fear mongering.Its totally disgusting,and for a group that incessantly claims to be Christian,a sin as well.

The stupidity on this forum never ceases to amaze me. Folks, it's been shown time and again that an ideal governing system is a mix between capitalism and socialism. Take our police and fire depts. for example. A completely socialist idea. We pay taxes, they stop crime and put out fires. It seems silly to have a for profit industry in place of our existing system right? Same thing with Social Security and Medicare, we pay taxes for the benefit of us all....

Everybody gets so worked up over which side of the aisle they associate with that they lose their common sense and civility. As far as I'm concerned neither party is the answer, but most of my fellow citizens are too ignorant to understand this concept.

Stop acting like children.

Somewhat well said Independant 2850861. I admire a national leader with a strong social conscience. Thankfully, the majority of Venezuelan's agree.

Randy-840072....1.51

Please don’t let your anger blind you, just think a little and read between the lines. Support for socialist/communist agenda is the last thing on HandsOff’s mind (in this thread at least)……and as for me, my views on the current direction of the government are no secret, 4 more years with President Obama would be disastrous for the country.

Now why does the title of this article not surprise me. Chavez and his socialist agenda already has the Venezuelan economy in the toilet. I think it is safe to assume the main sewer is next! As it is, I am not surprised he "won". Chavez is not above stuffing the box, so to speak. When you own the media, the military and the police like he does, you can easily lose an election and still win!

Now why does the title of this article not surprise me. Chavez and his socialist agenda already has the Venezuelan economy in the toilet.

Was Venezuela's economy not always "in the toilet"?

I'm not defending either the economic policies, or political corruption of the Chevez regime. But... Venezuela has always been a poor country, and poorly run. He just represents another failed attempt to fix the problem.

He's a socialist. The next dictator, or perennial president may be a fascist, or a religious dictator, or just your garden variety of megalomaniac.

The results will be the same.

proindividual - Knowing, as I do, that the Federal Reserve has been around for about 100 years, a span of time which encompasses both the Great Depression and the greatest period of economic prosperity ever experienced by this nation or any other, I find you opening statement both nonsensical and humorous. If the Federal Reserve's control of both the money supply and interest rates are intrinsically linked to the recent financial and economic crisis, then how is it not also linked to the 1950s and 1960s, when the U.S. economy was the most vibrant on Earth?

You admit it presided over both Great Depressions...this one and the last...and totally ignore it was the cause by expanding credit in the economy. This is entirely provable. Look at the Depression of 1921...what's the matter, never heard of it? Why? It wasn't caused by expansion of credit via the Federal Reserve (it took no action), wasn't "cured" (cursed) by them, and therefore lasted 1 year. There a deep, super-deep, recession...but debt liquidated and the economy adjusted resiliantly and quickly. Lastly, it ended with the lowest unemployment rate in the history of our country (or the world)...2%.

Why did you give it credit for the expansion of the economy? Do you not realize the economy exapnds because of technology levels increasing and competition causing prices to drop accounted for inflation? This gives us all more productivity as laborers and more expendable income, which spurs consumption and raises profits for those expanding technology and getting into business in competition with each other. You give the banking system monopoly credit for something it hindered...something that would of occured anyway. You can't prove your affirmative claim that FED caused this expansion...and you should know that. The burden of proof in Logic is not for me to prove a negative (disproving your claim)...you have to prove that this is causation, not simple sorrelation. That's more likely as the economy expanded hugely before the FED. All big and long swings in recessions before the Nationa Banks of the past were caused via govt interferencesi n the market via tariffs and subsidies...again, expanding credit. Artifical booms caused by expanded credit ALWAYS end in real busts (crashes).

Why is it that no Keynesians predicted the collapse of 2008? Why did all the Austrians predict it?? Because the Austrians pay attention less to aggregates and more on expansion of credit (which is easily tracked via trade restrictions, regulations, subsidies, and M1 money supply and federally set interest rates that have little or no relation to market rates that occur organically).

Nevermind, anybody who believes that the correctness of a economic theorist is in some way linked to familial loyalty, or lack of it...

No economic theory is totally correct...you might want to read Fooled by Randomness and The Black Swan expanded edition by Nassim Taleb...a non-Austrian author who actually favors central banking . He may be wrong about central banks, but he correctly identifies that no economic theory is pure, and all fail to recognize a dependence on hindsight bias (as do historians with their narratives). He's shown conclusively that all economists are wrong....and that the only way to deal with swings in economies is to have a ROBUST MONEY MANAGEMENT STRATEGY. He's a best selling author and got very wealthy from the collapses, and before them as well. He's been on every TV station in interviews...look him up.

But there are wrong theories...and those that are totally wrong. Only the austrians have a grip on free market philosophy in economics...and only they predicted en masse the collapse of subprime housing, etc.

There is less wrong, and more wrong. I'll go with the less wrong, and have robust strategy that accounts for Black Swans (predictable but unexpected cataclysmic or hugely positive swings in the economy). In the end, I don't care about predicting as much as preparing for the inevitable...something Keynesians think is unnecessary given their belief printing money and causing artificial booms has no hugely negative consequences in the economy. Keynesianism is a tautology...not a real theory. It has failed. NeoKeynesianism has failed. Only Post Keynesians are making any real sense from their point of view...but nothing has a track record as good as Austrian economics. I bet on those that win the most...not only those that only win (especially when none of them always win).

...is not someone from whom to expect rational, and well ordered thinking.

Riiiight...and how is this the case? Because you're a liberal? C'mon. Milton Friedman was a brilliant Keynesian Monetarist economist...but he failed to take his ideas to their logical conclusions. His son and grandson abandoned his bad ideas and have improved upon his failed ideas....but thatnks for ad hominems....you just waved the rational and logical white flag in debate. You failed to have a real argument, and reduced yourself to attacking personally the man himself. Ad hominem isn't a logical argument allowed in high school debate class, let alone in a debate with me.

Keep cracking yourself up, chuckles. You need to look up the meaning of both "tyrant" and "sociopath", as from you post, you plainly have no understanding of either word.

I don't think it's funny. They are tyrants...they murder people who are no threat to us. They extort every citizen of this country and call it "tax". They put 50% of the prisoners in this country in jail for nonviolent non-theft crimes like drug use and drug selling. They have us now as the most incarcerated nation in history, both in total numbers, and per capita. I mean Communist China (really they are more capitalist than we are now) has less people in jail then we do...and their population is waaaaay larger than ours. If putting nonviolent people in chains and cages isn't tyranny, well wtf is?

And look up the studies that have been done by psychologists into Officers in the military, our politicians, police, and CEOs of companies...you'll see any hierarchical structure's head is far more likely to be a sociopath than the general population. Sociopaths excell in politics. Who else could murder innocent children (500,000 with Iraq sanctions in the 90s alone) and extort innocent adults without losing sleep.

Madeline Albright was asked if killing 500,000 kids was worth it (despite those santions failure to avert war with Iraq)...she said YES without any hesitation. That's a clear sociopath. That's not something most people can do. You'll find studies show the higher up in hierachies the even greater chance a sociopath is present. Presidents are FAR more likely to be sociopathic than you or I. It's just a fact. Look it up. I have no doubt all these habitual liars and warmongers in this election (Romney/Obama) are sociopaths. It's just the way of the world and hierarchies. You ignore this because of nostalgia, or worse...mental disorders like statism and nationalism. You mistake these things for patriotism, and make convenient excuses for the horrors people are carrying out in your name.

I'm sorry, I'm not as much of a moral relativist as you are, and I don't pull punches on those who act unethically. I call them like I see them...and I see socioapths (they're everywhere!). 2-5% of the GENERAL population are socipaths...so how many do you think are police, officers, politcians, and CEOs? ANd how many of those do you think are heads of those structures they are drawn to like flies on feces, since they rise to the top of those institutions like helium balloons to ceilings of rooms?

Think for yourself, question authority...you clearly are just a sheep in the flock and have't woken up yet (if you ever will). It's been speculated by psychologists that some 40-70% of Presidents have been psychopaths, basedo n their behavior beforem during, and after office. That's not a joke. That's not an opinion of mine...it's just the way it is. Welcome to the reality you wish didn't exist.

You admit it presided over both Great Depressions...

No, provindividual, I stated that it existed before, during and after the single Great Depression of the modern era. Our current economic plight, while serious, is not in the same league.

I also referenced what followed, which, simply put, was the single greatest explosion of wealth and economic well-being in this, or any other age of the world.

Depressions, recessions and other economic tough times have occurred before the existence of the Federal Reserve. They will continue to occur if and when it is gone.

Depending on which economist you listen to, there were between 2 and 5 major depressions in the U.S. which occurred between 1837 and 1907. It is the nature of our complex economic system, that occasionally these things happen.

Why did you give it credit for the expansion of the economy?

I did not.

I pointed out that it [The Federal Reserve] existed during this same time period, and I asked why you attribute blame for the economic problems which have occurred between 1913 and 2008, but not the positive developments.

I am still awaiting a sensible answer.

Do you not realize the economy exapnds because of technology levels increasing and competition causing prices to drop accounted for inflation? This gives us all more productivity as laborers and more expendable income, which spurs consumption and raises profits for those expanding technology and getting into business in competition with each other.

I realize that economies expand or contract for a variety of reasons, one of which is the stable control of the money supply, and the availability of credit. My question, which you refuse to acknowledge, is that if the Federal Reserve is such a hindrance to economic growth today, why was it not so between 1945 and 1975, or for that matter, between 1975 and 2008?

Nevermind, anybody who believes that the correctness of a economic theorist is in some way linked to familial loyalty, or lack of it...

No economic theory is totally correct...you might want to read Fooled by Randomness and The Black Swan expanded edition by Nassim Taleb...a non-Austrian author who actually favors central banking . H

My point was not that Milton Freidman was correct or incorrect, only that the correctness of his theories is neither proved or disproved by the theories espoused by his descendents. To cite the fact that both his son and grandson have markedly different opinions than Milton Friedman as proof that he [Milton] was mistaken is nonsensical.

I don't think it's funny. They are tyrants...they murder people who are no threat to us.

Sorry, but you saying so does not make it true. Both men were duly elected as President, and while some decisions and policies of either have been questioned, this does not make them "tyrants". Beyond that, I cannot answer your new, vague charge. Just which people have they murdered, Osama bin Laden?

They put 50% of the prisoners in this country in jail for nonviolent non-theft crimes like drug use and drug selling.

They, meaning Bush and Obama, did not institute all of the laws regarding nonviolent, non-theft related crimes. Most such statutes exist at the state level and vary by jurisdiction. In Massachusetts, personal possession of marijuana is no longer a felony offense. This was accomplished via a public referendum.

If you believe that use and trafficking in various drugs should be decriminalized in your state, why not address it through the political process, or is it easier to whine about the federal government and make loud, unsustainable claims of tyranny?

And look up the studies that have been done by psychologists into Officers in the military, our politicians, police, and CEOs of companies...you'll see any hierarchical structure's head is far more likely to be a sociopath than the general population.

Oh, so now we're talking about all men in power? Does that include women too? Would it be too much trouble to post a link to one of these studies with which you seem to be so familiar? How is it that the above statement, if true, proves that either Obama or Bush are sociopaths?

I'm sorry, I'm not as much of a moral relativist as you are, and I don't pull punches on those who act unethically.

I've been called worse. You do seem allergic to facts and logical thinking. You base all your theories on biased assumptions, supported by half-truths and supposition. When pressed for details, you bring up new theories and other, unfounded charges...

They put 50% of the prisoners in this country in jail for nonviolent non-theft crimes like drug use and drug selling.

...ignoring the fact that the laws involved in such incarcerations are predominantly state laws, have been enacted over many years, and through the process stipulated in our democracy.

I've encountered theorists such as yourself before. Simply untangling their arguments is as difficult as untangling 1000 miles of Christmas Tree lights.

So, I've done all I can to point out the logical fallacies of your arguments.

Post #1.79. Very interesting. Good post.

dman . . Masterful, nice deconstruction & well argued. A good dose of logic goes a long way! Thanks

Thanks, handsoff, I was wondering if there were any rational minds left out on the internet.

I would like to know the percentage of the dead people that voted for Chavez.

Chavez makes more money than anyone knows. He owns 82 percent of all oil sales in venzuala and 40% of all business income.

americanfools2008 you obviously know little to nothing about what has actually happened to Venezuela since that madman took over, but please... feel free to move there and find out first hand.

After stealing election, Chavez tweets LEAN FORWARD COMRADE to O'Bama...........

donna426

I would like to know the percentage of the dead people that voted for Chavez.

All of them.

hahahahahahahahaha @ lee post # 2.6

I know just how your wife feels Robert. I am too a Venezuelan in America and for the first time in over a decade I thought there was hope for my native land. Now I just don't see how that would happen. Why aren't these elections being investigated by the international community for fraud?! I have never understood why Venezuela always gets pushed to the side. I know the middle east is important and all, but 90% of the international news we hear is about that region. How about paying attention to the regions closer to us?!

CG- Not too worry, when the savior gets re-elected in America, and he will, easily. The New World Order he creates will not allow your native Venezuela to be ignored any longer. With green energy being one of his top priorities, oil will become insignificant. Although I assume that a World organizer will give Holland the responsibility of windmill manufacturing, and all the lands and waters along the equator responsible for all the solar panels, well that leaves Venezuela with the responsibility of, I don't know, perhaps cell-phone manufacturing?,Koran publishers?, maybe plain textiles?, we'll need alot of burkahs. Hugo will definitely be appointed some kind of czar, my guess would be King of the treasure. Only because it's obvious he is so proficient in re-distributing funds. I, for one, cannot wait for this New World. I guess I'm just tired of working and providing. The idea of letting someone else do it all for me sounds pretty good.

CG-2282459

I am too a Venezuelan in America and for the first time in over a decade I thought there was hope for my native land. Now I just don't see how that would happen. Why aren't these elections being investigated by the international community for fraud?!

What will the world do when there is no more "international" (read "American") policeman and everyone has to clean their own house?

What happens when the oil runs out?

He nationalizes cocaine

Well, Hugo does love Mr.Obama and supports Obama's re-election. I guess it's just mutual respect one Socialist to another.... Venezuela is going to just another Country on the list of Bankrupted Countries of the future due to Socialism as many have been bankrupted in the past and even now as we speak. America is also on that path if we don't lessen the size of government and really watch what we spend. Venezuela is only out of the woods for now due to oil revenue, but don't worry, Socialism will eat that right up.

this thread just shows how stupid the american public really is. Comparing O'bomber to a socialist shows that for most of you, fox news does your thinking for you. Talk about a nanny state of thought! As in, "I'm too stupid to think on my own, can you do it for me mr. limbaugh?" Or how about you, Mr. o'riley? I see you're not using your brain today!"

For you uninformed foxbots, O'bomber is just bush lite; another corporate tool promoting war on the middle east for profit, war on drugs and american citizens for profit, protection of the pharmaceutical/insurance industries with the ACA extortion act, caving in every time john boner or eric cantor looks at him crosseyed, expanding homeland insecurity and spying on citizens, hunting down whistle-blower journalists instead of giving them refuge from heavy-handed authoritarian governments like the US has become.

Strong social programs provide a necessary support system in a capitalist society, otherwise the rich will run away with every penny they can squeeze out of the society. As they are doing right now by the redistribution of wealth program that has been going on for the last 30 years. These corporatists form monopolies to kill competition, send good jobs overseas to kill unions and when all of this conspires to lower wages and drive millions into working poverty while piling up profits at unprecedented rates, you foxbots who can't think without fox instructions think it's the poor working stiffs who are being greedy by asking for health care, retirement benefits, etc. that WE ALL HAVE PAID INTO OUR ENTIRE WORKING LIVES!! While the fatasses hide money in the Caymans, luxembourg, Switzerland, etc. and bribe congress to lower their taxes, create more tax havens, use our money and our kids for wars that they can profit from ... so who are the real bloodsuckers here? And who are the pathetically uninformed? Foxbots, that's who. Why is it that the Euro countries doing the best have stronger socialist principles to protect their people from an economic downturn? (Germany, Sweden, Denmark, etc.) And why are the countries with the most stringent austerity programs like Ireland on the brink of becoming the next country to collapse? And why do working stiffs who watch rush limbo or fake news channel support the greedy corporatists who stand against those same working stiffs? If fox news told you jokers that penises were evil, you'd castrate yourselves without asking why, wouldn't you???

Denver bill: "What will the world do when there is no more "international" (read "American") policeman and everyone has to clean their own house?"

I guess we'll just have to live in peace. And then americans will have the money to pay for the programs they pay for and are entitled to.

It will be a wonderful day when the amerikkkans put their horrible and evil military to rest once and for all.

I guess we'll just have to live in peace. And then americans will have the money to pay for the programs they pay for and are entitled to.

Mike X,

Have you considered how you will survive when your mother throws you out of her basement?

i think that Mr. Chavez is Very handsome!! I am glad that he admires and respects our POTUS!!

"We kill the young to feed the old and man that ain't no good."

-John Mellencamp

He doesn't admire Communist Obama . . . YOU are a history revisionist!!! LOL!!!

HandsOff, very handsome? I'd hate to see what you would deem ugly......

President Obama HAS A PLAN just LIKE MR. CHAVEZ.

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012 . . .4 MORE YEARS!! TOGETHER WE CAN DO THIS . . YOU Paying for ME!!!!

Really? You put way too much faith in the government. By the way what you're describing is communism.

I pity you.

does everyone here not see that hands off is a troll?

HandsOff is a satirist.

Thanks for ruining the entertainment:)

HandsOffMyMedicare!! Please feel free to move to Venezuela and see just how well Chavez takes care of you. I wish you the best of luck in that.

Hey Conservatives ....Notice how the MSDNC home page changed the format on the Romney speech story?

They went to a video (no comments allowed) Kinda make ya wonder....

Is skinny, weak, dumbo ears Obama a tad venerable on Foreign policy? Hmmmm?

It truly is the only defense the Leftest Obama Democrats has...Silence the truth.

GAI reports BO has collected tens of millions of campaign $ from "international" sorces - this is of course against the law.

when has some silly American LAW ever stopped this president...

He knows his media whores will give him a pass .........

excuse spelling errors in post #4.11 ran out of editing time..

We excuse you spelling, but not your foolishness. Or that you invoke the name of our troops to seem more patriotic. I work with wounded vets. I see what you have done for them. gee thanks.

George post #4.13 ... you work with wounded...

How do they feel about Obama holding defense spending hostage?

How do they feel about Obama expending all that energy to save BIG BIRD yet not lift a finger to save Ambassador Stevens? Literally left to DIE while BO hit the talk show circuit.

How do they feel about Obama disqualifying the survivors of Ft. Hood shooting from Government benefits bc BHO called it "work place violence"

How do they feel about the BHO dept of defense "accidentally" missing deadlines to get 2012 ballots to US TROOPS?

save your sanctimonious phony "I care crap"

My family/friends have served up enough soldiers wounded - shot and killed in the line of duty to earn MY right to free speech!

Love2troops,

Merely, just a "bump in the road".

Your wife is an idiot!

subwaydude is crude

Robert, you have a very smart wife!

The idiot is in your mirror.

She is not an idiot, she is merely expressing typical views of middle and upper class people from South America. When the strong men and Oligarchs were control, the power, patronage, and advantages go directly to the them. The poor are crushed to the advantage of the land owners and business owners. The advantaged get cheap labor and the poor have to take what they can get and stay out of sight.

Now the upper classes live in fear that the oppressed will come after them because their one vote is no more powerful that that of a campesino. Democratic elections are the great equalizer -- except those with privilege don't want equality, they naturally (they are normal humans after all) want continued privilege.

Brian has it right. The true damage over the past 40+ years has come from American intervention and neoliberal shock therapy throughout the region, and many of the leaders in South America are now fighting back, protecting the workers and developing more equitable societies.

you married an idiot Bob! Obama wins this election sleeping. All the neocons can shut up and take a chill pill because if you think this "follower" Romney is the answer to help "all" the american people?? Then you are just as whacked as he is. He will help the wealthy and f##ck all the rest of us. Just as simple as that folks.

Neoliberal? when did oil companies trying to steal resources in latin America be come liberal? or neoliberal. LOL you gotta be nuts kid. the same people that steal oil in africa and diamonds in africa are the ones who hate this guy the most. News Flash. EXXON AIN'T LIBERAL LOL. Take another hit on that bong and play warcraft, and stay out of adult conversations LOL

good job bob................you may have a cookie...................:)

Yep...Chavez is helping all the people in Venezuela. He has all kinds of social programs to help the multitudes living in the many slums of Venezuela. Here is an article describing some of the help he is giving the poor: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/14/us-venezuela-election-chavez-idUSTRE81D0UG20120214

But what so many miss, is that Chavez is merely pandering for votes. These multitudes of poor living in the slums overwhelmingly vote for Chavez, but fail to see the bigger picture. They're all still living in the slums in poverty, right were Chavez wants them. Guaranteed votes in the future for a few pittances.

hs321, The poorer states here almost always vote GOP. So what? They have a right to vote. I'm very happy Chavez is my main man.

Neoliberal? when did oil companies trying to steal resources in latin America be come liberal? or neoliberal. LOL you gotta be nuts kid.

Neoliberalism is an idealism supporting liberalization of the markets, privatization of resources, and aggressive deregulation. It ties into the Austrian model of economics. It has nothing to do with social liberalism. It's a similar word with a vastly different meaning.

Neoliberal reforms often involve coming into a country in a crisis, offering them major debt relief in exchange for opening up their markets to multinational "investors" who will take over all basic services in exchange for hefty profits, and installing a government that is friendly to the ideas of laissez-faire economic strategy and as little regulation as possible. This allows the firms to have free reign to extract as much wealth as possible, leaving a shell of a country and major wealth inequality.

the same people that steal oil in africa and diamonds in africa are the ones who hate this guy the most. News Flash. EXXON AIN'T LIBERAL LOL.

Agreed. Nationalization of resources goes against the greed of the bourgeois.

Take another hit on that bong and play warcraft, and stay out of adult conversations LOL

I'm guessing with your newfound knowledge on what neoliberalism entails, you likely don't feel this way any longer. Perhaps hold off on the personal attacks next time in case it turns out you're misinformed.

your wife is blind and ignorant. There is nothing liberal or communist about O'bomber; he's just another puppet hood ornament for the corporate global imperialism. A few south american countries are socialist, but that is a long ways from communism, though foxbots can't tell the difference. Socialism is when the working class owns the means of production within a society. Show me where that occurs in the US, you moronic foxbots! And when the government controls all aspects of the economy, that is communism. When corporations control the media, congress, the white house, the courts, the banks and dictate foreign and domestic policy, that's a plutocratic oligarchy. And that defines the US of A, Incorporated. Now, do any of you uninformed idiots want to debate the issues based on real-world reality, or do you want to keep your head buried in that deep, dark fox news hole of unreality and distortion and pretend the US is a noble entity acting in your best interests?

Show me where the working class owns the means of production that is first not siphoned off by those in power. One country in South America will do.

Ecuador. Bolivia. There's two.

Alan, have you ever been to Ecuador or Bolivia? I've been to both and I can tell you the "Utopia" you think the population shares there is a dirt floor and a hope for food. I advise you to buy a ticket and see how the other half lives. If you say you have been there and I don't know what I am talking about you are either Michael Moore or a liar....... one in the same.

The only difference between these countries and the United States is that here in the US, we can hide our poor people in the inner cities and show the 1% taking their private jets from one city to the next. In these countries, the people share in both the struggle and the success, as it should be.

Both Ecuador and Bolivia are filled with graft. Doubt that move there for a while it will be enlightening.

I wish. If Obama was for breaking up the largest banks (instead of siphoning off taxpayer's money to pay for their mistakes) or nationalizing the oil companies instead of allowing endless subsidies to continue and spilling American blood to protect their profits, I would be a much more enthusiastic supporter.

Instead he is a center-right pragmatist fighting against neoliberal revolutionaries.

Wow somebody sees that Obama is the opposite of chavez. i'm impressed. lol you see? you can hate obama without actually telling lies.. learn from this guy. I don't agree with him, but at least he has some reasonable concept to post. unlike the rest of you lol

My wife's family are not elites just small business owners. They were making a living until being destroyed by Chavez.

Culheath still crying?

Mr. Culthealth......as state in above article;

"He also handed out homes and pensions financed with state funds, often in ceremonies that glorified his administration, while warning that the opposition would rescind such benefits.

The spending spree has weakened the country's finances and may force a currency devaluation in early 2013, likely spurring inflation that has been a top complaint among his supporters."

Sure sounds like Obama. They don't destroy just the elites but you and I along with everyone else. There is only one country like the USA yet hundreds of countries that follow your prescription of fair. Too bad you and yours just don't move there.

Robert, please tell me. What was your wife's small family business and what policy of Chavez crushed them?

Daman-734891

Mr. Culthealth......as state in above article;

"He also handed out homes and pensions financed with state funds, often in ceremonies that glorified his administration, while warning that the opposition would rescind such benefits.

OMG...I've never heard of politicians pandering to the masses before...except of course in the US where the goodies are doled out to the elites instead of the poor.

The spending spree has weakened the country's finances and may force a currency devaluation in early 2013, likely spurring inflation that has been a top complaint among his supporters."

That state money comes from where? Oil. Oil profits once upon a time instead given to the elites...why does giving it to the poor cause a devaluation of the currency I wonder?

Sure sounds like Obama. They don't destroy just the elites but you and I along with everyone else.

Really? In what way exactly? Seems to me the elites here are doing just swell under Obama.

There is only one country like the USA yet hundreds of countries that follow your prescription of fair. Too bad you and yours just don't move there.

Canada is a lot like the US only they are smart enough to have universal health care like the rest of those 100's of countries you mention...go figure.

What is it exactly you like about the 1% elites in the US that keep ripping off the rest of the population anyway?

What business and what policy? Some details, please.

Brian, The first crushing blow delivered by Chavez is when he closed banks (Banco Caribe was the bank my in laws used) and froze accounts for over 18 months. This was because Chavez said that it was a "government intervention" due to corruption within the bank. The reason why he hassled the banks is because he had opened his own bank (Banco de Sur) with his presidential partners from other leftist South American countries and was letting everyone know that his bank won't be closed for silly little things like interventions.

By the time they were able to withdrawal funds their business (hardware & tool) had collapsed. He limited the amount of imports to businesses so they couldn't get what they needed to sell. This is one of the many ways Chavez destroys what he does not like. If you work or have a business and do not need help from the government, you are the sworn enemy of Chavez.

Cattle raisers in the south of Venezuela near Barinas had been in that business for 100's of years and passed down the business & property to their children and the business carried on. Chavez took their property, divided it up in parcels and gave it to poor people to squat on while waiting for their food hand out. Venezuela has millions of acres they could have given the poor but that was not what happened. Chavez hated these people from childhood because they were successful and had money that employed thousands of people in the cattle industry.

Now Brian, I could go on all day telling you about Chavez and how lazy the people are who vote for him but that could take some time and I gotta feeling you could care less about the people it destroys. I would also venture to say that the Chavez model is one you would like to see implemented in your own country I would bet. If you think its so great, go to Venezuela and live for awhile and be terrorized by murderers and thieves that Chavez denies he has. See what life is really like there and form an educated opinion of Chavez and his policies. Thats the only way you would change your mind because what I have said to you is a complete lie in your mind and I'm full of @!$%#. So fly down to Miami and buy you a ticket to Chavezuela. By the way, tickets to Venezuela are over twice the price they are flying to Colombia. It's a little further to Colombia but the Chavez airport tax is so high for airlines it makes it near impossible for average Venezuelans to leave the country. I think Castro taught him that one. So I will end this by saying that your self implied pseudo intellectual status combined with the baiting tactics used by you is the equivalent of a dog humping my leg.

I see ole Brain didn't have any response, Robert. Libtards only like socialism until it affects them.

Name one "communist" policy created by Obama. Please.

They can't...it's just knee jerk tea party rhetoric and worse... just like Robert can't answer Brian's question.

Marxist theory holds that pure communism or full communism is a specific stage of historical development that inevitably emerges from the development of the productive forces that leads to a superabundance of material wealth, allowing for distribution based on need and social relations based on freely associated individuals.^[2][3] The exact definition of communism varies, and it is often mistakenly, in general political discourse, used interchangeably with socialism; however, Marxist theory contends that socialism is just a transitional stage on the road to communism. Leninism adds to Marxism the notion of a vanguard party to lead the proletarian revolution and to secure all political power after the revolution for the working class, for the development of universal class consciousness and worker participation, in a transitional stage between capitalism and socialism.

Hey Al and culheath-

Here's a couple for you:

Executive Order 10990-allows the gov't to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

Executive Order 10995-allows the gov't. to seize and control the communication media.

Executive Order 10997-alows the gov't. to take over all electrical power,gas,petroleum, fuels and minerals.

Executive Order 10998-allows the gov't. to take over all food resources and farms.

Executive Order 11000-allows the gov't. to mobilize civilians in to work brigades under gov't. supervision.

Executive Order 11001- allows the gov't. to take over all health, education, and welfare functions.

Executive Order 11002-designates the Postmaster General to operate a National Registration.

Executive Order 11003-allows the gov't. to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

Executive Order 11004-allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities,build new housing with public funds,designate areas to be abandoned,and to establish new locations for poulations.

Executive Order 11005-allows the gov't. to take over railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities.

Executive Order 11049-assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a 15 year period.

Executive Order 11051-specifies the responsibilty of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

Executive Order 11310-grants authority to the Dept. of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

Executive Order 11921-allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in any U.S. Financial Institution in any undefined National emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency has been declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for 6 months.

FDR issued 11 executive orders in 16 years.

Clinton issued 15 in 8 years.

Dubya issued 62 in 8 years.

Obama issued 923 in (close) to 4 years.

We ALL have access to Executive Orders, please, please, please go see for yourselves! But what do I know? I'm just a paranoid teabagger...Wake up people the piper leads us to a cliff!

jaypea

the scary part is what do you believe happen should he become a lame duck?

"...for the development of universal class consciousness and worker participation,..."

Unfortunately it does not take into account human nature. Universal values? One has to be a complete fool to believe such a thing could occur with humans. Universal participation? That anticipation is part of what destroyed the Soviet Union. One guy in the factory works his tail off, but gets paid the same as some bum just making it through the day. Resentment grows so the hard worker says he's not going to be fool and he starts slacking off. Soon everyone is slacking off and very little gets done. What do you get in the end. Standing in line all morning just to buy a loaf of bread.

Why should anyone go to college and/or get training, when they can goof off in the factory all day and live in the same house and drive the same car. Makes perfect sense to me...NOT!

Jaypea, Obama has issued precisely 139 executive orders. GW Bush issued 291.

Bush 43's executive orders are numbered 13198 - 13488, and Obama's list starts with 13489.

His most recent, 13621, was issued two weeks ago.

You can't just lie on the internet and expect not to get caught. For example, your last order, EO 11921, was issued in 1976. I don't know if you're aware, but Barack Obama was not the president 36 years ago. http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-11921.htm

Your first one was issued by JFK. http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58928

"You can't just lie on the internet and expect not to get caught" Not true: Mittwitt Rmoney has been doing it for six years. Fox news and rush limbo have been doing it for 15 and 30 years, disrespectfully.

Are you serious? I'm from Venezuela. You don't know what you are talking about. Stop comparing Obama to Chavez. Obama didn't change the constitution or doesn't hang out with all those crazy guys that hate America. Don't make me laugh!
Obama is a great president!

oh ye with little brains.. do you ever get off the subwaydude?

As soon as I saw the headline I knew the comments section would be replete with hilarious logical fallacies and conspiracy theories from the Right Wingers. Was not disappointed. A++++ Would read again

Chavez and Obummer BFF. oops and don't forget BFF Putin.

and "nutjobmadabadeen"

I guess that's why the Venezuelan elections are considered the best and fairest in the world.

Judge not lest ye be judged.

Because they have voter registration and require ID to vote?

Because it was a free and fair election and the most popular candidate won. Also, by winning with 54% that means a majority of the citizens voted for Chavez and his program, not just a plurality as often happens in the United States.

I was really surprised that when they asked Chavez what percentage he wanted to win by that he only said give him 54%..............usually he declares a larger vote for himself.

Democracy - two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

In Venezuela 54% of the population are wolves.

Oh please! did Obama change the constitution as Chavez did? Does Obama talk for hours and hours and hours on the government channel? No!! Chavez does. You can't compare those two type of government... NEVER! Read more about Chavez and you'll understand... if you are smart.
Obama/Biden 2012!

NBC Nationalist Broadcasting Communism

@Glen-2827821: LOL - or brought to you by ONN (Obama News Network)

Another Civil War looming? The first one was so costly

What if I say no?

Is nothing new serious? The closer we get to the election the more the leftest BO Democrats expose their real agenda...

Punish Success-----Reward failure....Hey Numb Nuts... The Rich will be just fine no matter who wins. They can legally keep their EARNED money out of Obamas greedy skinny fingers.

I wish I was as rich as Romney and I could LEGALLY hide my EARNED money from the Demo RATS who extort tax dollars from Americans every day.

As it stands now we have already made several LEGAL financial moves to keep as much of our own $ as possible.

I'll quit my job b4 I pay the bills of some lazy ass BO DemocRAT

Bcoo5'

What if I say no?

simple, your a racist / teapublican / hater who simply wont admit its all bush's fault...oh and the new one a "liar" to boot..........:)

Glenn-2827821

Another Civil War looming? The first one was so costly

Only the same losers want to lose again. maybe that's what it is...maybe they are aching for a new spanking.

The democrats lost the civil war. Is that what you mean?

No I mean the southern conservatives that were the reason for the civil war...you know like the conservatives that would be responsible for one today. But you knew that.

LiarsInPolitics=duh

With complete control of the media in Venezuela, no other candidate had a chance. Also very convenient Chavez had the law changed to get another term. What form of government is this?

Ask Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood...

ya got another bunch "hands",,,, course considering the audience its not all that hard, but kudos anyway.....

Some say Capriles is the brain child of Chavez and was set up to lose. Nothing like having competition that is on your side. What a scam.

Yeah but unfortunately the most vocal tend to be the extremists, people who only think in binary and false dichotomies.

This will not happen.

While it's reasonable to expect that politicians need to compromise in order to move the country forward, you cannot move a dead horse forward, no matter how much you 'cooperate'.

And make no mistake, this country is a dead horse. By dissecting it, into small enough pieces it is then possible to move it forward, but that is not going to happen, Lincoln and several others who insisted on keeping this one country when two would have been possible, have seen to that.

It is or was once possible to get a family of, say, 6 people, a mother father and 4 kids to compromise on the vacation spot when they were young enough, the kids, to be ordered to go somewhere. But once the kids began to want their own spot, the compromise eventually yielded to separate vacations.

Likewise, the disUnited States long ago reached the separation in fact and spirit that our lawmakers---whose prosperity and jobs depend on keeping an obsolete system going---will not endorse or support.

Muddle through is the best one can hope for. And that looks awfully grey from where an ambitious, talented, and energetic individual is concerned.

Socialim and communism in many sectors is the direction all countries are headed regardless of the vote, which has been hijacked by lobbyists.

Ray, very true.

Moving this country forward should be everyone's adgenda. I just don't think the government can legislate our way to prosperity.

BTW, the person that picks up my garbage has health insurance and a 401K.

like obummber

Garbagemen and Wal-Mart employees both HAVE access to health care through their employer. Everyone HAS access to an education if they choose to take advantage of the opportunity. This country already votes in similar ways to Venezuela. Politicians get reelected not because they accomplished anything substantive but because they brought home federal money to their district. Government handouts in the form of tax deductions, pork, entitlements, and low interest loans have permeated all levels of society. Each new program, whether Republican or Democrat in origin, just bloats the government further. Venezuela will collapse economically with the U.S. right behind at this rate. I wonder how many in this country believe that this government should provide "free" housing, healthcare, etc.? Flat taxation would make it far more difficult to raise taxes even a percentage point. Current tax policy makes it far too easy to raise taxes from small groups of the citizenry (sounds like Venezuela & U.S.). Chavez has figured out how to t-r-u-l-y be a "democratic" dictator. I wonder how much of the country's wealth was spent to make sure he bought enough votes to remain in power.

Interesting to know, thanks, I will do some research on this...

Im sorry eagles..but if Chavez didnt like(hated) Bush than I like Chavez. Bush is gone but not forgotten because he was the driving force behind all the problems we have today in our economy and in the world. Including the Middle East He was too big for his britches. And now we are paying for his blunders. Should have listened to the people. But NOOOO!!!

Obamas plan for the US is understood by the majority of the people. Just not by the neocons. You know the NO people. Whatever Obama says or does the right wingers will spin it somehow to make it wrong. It doesnt matter. If the right wingers would have elected another neo, it wouldnt matter. Just like "i got caught" McCan't. You will lose.

jon--you need to do some research. You do not know what you are asking for.

If the majority of the people want what obama has to offer, than that is just it; what he can give me. But, in the long run they don't know or understand what they are going to give up.

Kennedy had it right, not what your country can give you but, what can you give your country.

I've been following Capriles since I saw him being interviewed back in 2010. Back then, he was referred to as the Venezuelan opposition's strongest card for the 2012 elections. It's truly sad he didn't win yesterday and my heart goes out to all Venezuelans who wanted to live in a country free of Chavez' oppressive regime.

Sorta like Obama doing by executive order that which he cannot accomplish constitutionally through congress.

we will have one here also.

Obama cant get anything done in congress because of the idiots that run it. Again....it doesnt matter what bill goes to congress. They wont pass it. You see...most congressman are rich, usually before entering office and definetely after through all their shady deals and insider information(trading). And the bills that are being presented to them are ones that effect them financially. So no they wont do anything unless it helps them and their constituents. The same people they "pay them under the rug" either by $$$ or by, wait no its only about the money. We need to set term limits on these lifers for one thing. We need to abolish campaign donations completely. We need to have all congressman and women to pay for their own private insurances, pensions,and SS. All the biggest of entitlements. We need to take from who has it NOT from the people who don't.

Post # 25 --There really isn't much difference is there? Speaking of State Run Media ..

I can't go on one single web page on my computer w/o having to look at

DUMBO Ears Obama....

Call me a cynic but considering BO's Filthy RICH Limo Lib donors..AP-Google- Microsoft-Hollywood - Lawyers-

I can't help but wonder if all these pop-up BO adds are being given to Obama for Free.

It would be illegal of course

but when has some silly US Law ever stopped the Chicago BO administration & his media whores?

Call me a cynic but considering BO's Filthy RICH Limo Lib donors..AP-Google- Microsoft-Hollywood - Lawyers-

No logical inconsistency at all... pray tell, why would the "filthy rich" want to support a "socialist commie" like Obama? You guys on the right make no sense at all.

So they can keep their stuff and share everyone else's.

Obama resurrected the auto industry, Chavez has killed his oil industry, and Putin enables the Syrian murder industry.

Not only he killed the oil industry, that crazy Chavez changed the constitution. I'm from Venezuela. I know what I'm saying. It is weird, funny and nonsense to read people's comments and some trying to compare Chavez to Obama. Never!! Obama is a great president, perfect? no one is perfect but he's a respectful and smart politician. Chavez is pure trash!