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Burhan Ozbilici / AP
People speak from the top of the steps of a Syrian passenger plane that was forced by Turkish jets to land in Ankara, Turkey, on Thursday. Turkish jets on Wednesday forced the Syrian Air Airbus A320 passenger plane to land on suspicion that it was carrying weapons, amid heightened tensions between Turkey and Syria that have sparked fears of a wider regional conflict.
Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said on Thursday that a Syrian passenger plane forced to land in Ankara was carrying Russian-made munitions destined for Syria's defense ministry.
Russia's ITAR-Tass news agency earlier quoted an official at the Russian Embassy in Ankara as saying that the cargo "was not of Russian origin." Rosoboronexport, which handles most of Russia's military export contracts, said none of its cargo was on the plane.
Turkish authorities ordered the Syrian Air passenger plane that was traveling from Moscow to Damascus to land late on Wednesday after receiving an intelligence tip-off and seized some of its cargo.
Damascus said intercepting the Syrian Air plane was an act of piracy, further heightening tensions between the neighbors after Turkey's chief of staff warned Ankara would use greater force if shells from Syria continued to hit Turkish territory. The plane's 37 passengers and crew were allowed to continue to Damascus after several hours, without the cargo.
More weapons in Syria could trigger 'all-out war'
The grounding of the plane was another sign of Ankara's growing assertiveness over the crisis in Syria.
"Turkey has crossed a new threshold," said former Turkish diplomat Sinan Ulgen, chairman of the Center for Economic and Foreign Policy Studies think-tank.
"With the action they took last week the government is in the slightly more comfortable position of having shown it has the strength to retaliate."
Turkish state-run television TRT had reported that the intercepted plane was carrying military communications equipment, according to The Associated Press.
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Yeni Safak, a newspaper close to the Turkish government, also reported there were 10 containers aboard the plane, some containing radio receivers, antennas and "equipment... thought to be missile parts."
Neither TRT nor Yeni Safak cited sources for their reports.
Turkey's Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu had said the cargo contained "elements ... that are not legitimate in civilian flights" and insisted Ankara was within its rights to intercept the plane if it suspected that military equipment was being transported over Turkish territory.
NATO leaders discuss the volatile situation along the Turkish-Syrian border following last week's shelling of a village by forces loyal to Syria's government. NBC's Jim Maceda reports.
Sabre rattling between Syria and its northern neighbor has increased in recent days after a spate of cross-border shell and mortar firings. Turkey, which has been vocal in its criticism of Assad's crackdown on the opposition, has beefed up its military presence along the 565-mile frontier after shelling from Syria killed five Turkish civilians in a border town last week.
Syrians flee across river to escape fighting
The general manager of the Syrian Civil Aviation Agency also blasted Turkey's forced landing of the plane, calling it "contrary to regulations and aviation norms."
Ghaidaa Abdul-Latif told reporters in Damascus that the plane's pilots were not asked to land but were instead surprised by Turkish F-16 fighter jets, which forced them to land.
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"This action is contrary to the rules, because the pilot should be first asked to land for inspection," she said. "If he refuses, military jets would then fly to force him to land."
A Syrian Airlines engineer who was aboard, Haithan Kasser, said armed Turkish officials boarded the plane and handcuffed the crew before inspecting packages that contained electrical equipment.
Syrian plane suspected of carrying weapons forced to land in Turkey
Abdul-Latif said the officials seized some packages after presenting official documents.
Andrea Mitchell talks to Ambassador Dennis Ross about the escalating tensions between Syria and Turkey, and what both presidential candidates are saying they'll do about the situation.
She said Syria would file a complaint with international aviation authorities.
The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
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If you get cought with 1 pound of marihuana in you car it gets impound it, send the pilots and crew, passangers back to Syria on on camels. Keep the airplane or blow it up, case closed.
Chaz, what happens to the marijuana? Who gets to smoke it? If Assad doesn't retaliate against the Turks, the Free Syrian Army will smell blood. Assad's end is close at hand. I won't cry, but I don't want another Muslim Moral Majority to replace him. Going from an a$$hole dictator to a bunch extremist Muslims is a no-win situation. This would be a great time for Assad to leave. He can go into exile with that marijuana. Sounds good to me.
Why the hell isn't Obama calling a meeting between Putin, Assad, a representative from the rebels, the Turks, the Saudis, the Kurds, and the Iranians.
Everyone killing each other and smuggling weapons, and radical Islamic forces behind the rebels as Irans own Islamic radicals in the mix is getting ready to explode.
Where are the attempts at diplomacy ? Russia has huge financial interests there, and it is suspected that Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons are there.
People will know he is working hard and has no time for them. Now that would get respect; not campaigning as the world descends into WW III.
Well said HONEST J !
Are you advocating terrorism?
That plane was hijacked. How does the turkish PM, an obvious puppet of the USA, know that they were carrying munitions. Even if they were, that is their right.
The USA has admitted to supplying the FSA terrorists with weapons..
Out: So you think the countries that you mentioned would just say "Ok, let's meet if President Obama wants us to'? Why do you think that would happen? Get real
The Turks are unfortunately hypocrites. Yes, the aircraft may have had some equipment on board, but from the leaked descriptions it was basically electronics - not ammunition or anything like that. On the other hand, the BBC has produced photos of Saudi ammunition containers in the hands of the FSA - which since it is sourced cross border from Turkey makes Turkey complicit in that act. So much for concern for civilian casualties by the Turks given that they are thus supplying arms to the FSA - and thus only want a one sided arms embargo which only supports their preferred side and thus drives the Syrian war as well.
Sorry Bobby 3360448, but you are wrong. A country has the right to force down an aircraft flying within its airspace if it has grounds to believe that illegal or non-approved items are being transported. Weapons systems and munitions are items that must be declared. Stop being such a lapdog for your sweetheart Bashar.
Since the fall of the old Soviet Union, this arms scam has been going on. A non-Russian government arms dealer, sells some out-of-grace power (Sadaam, Assad, Arafat, Nigerian rebels, etc) a load of replacement parts and key military hardware. Often it is hard-to-duplicate technology such as night vision optics or parts to Russian-made munitions such as missiles. All this is off the record and the Russian government has "plausible denial." Needless to say these governments are willing to pay cash up front.
But then the Russian supplier tips off NATO or British or American intelligence and the ship or airplane is stopped and the cargo confiscated. Often the aircraft or ship is impounded and sold as well. The Russian government ends up with the money and the out-of-grace government ends up with nothing. When someone like Assad complains, he is told that the Russian government knows nothing and say that his only option is to place a new order with the same supplier. This happened to as many as four times on the same equipment order with Sadaam.
The US tried to play the game with the Iranians when Reagan illegally sold missile and aircraft parts to the Iranians (in exchange for keeping the hostages imprisoned until after the election) in the Iran-Contra Affair. Poindexter and North got the money up front, but the idiots gave the Iranians the parts and upgrades. They could have kept the money, tipped off the Italian authorities, had the parts confiscated en route and then sold them another batch. As it was. after Poindexter and North took their cut, and Jeb Bush took his cut, then so little money went to the Contras that they were unable to buy enough cocaine to sell in the US to make any difference. Things might be vastly different in Central America if the righties had played the Iran-Contra scam like the Russians play it. As it was it was only a half-vast difference and the Contras lost.
@Bobby,
You can get weapons and ammunition from many sources. The really tough stuff is newer technology like noight vision optics, advanced GPS devices, and replacement parts for electronics and missiles. The "electronics" were new-techynology encrypted military radios, not iPads. But even iPads going into Syria would be a proscribed cargo subject to seizure under current international law.
Yes, both Turkey and Jordan, with covert US assistance are supplying Arab-origin arms and ammunition to the Syrian rebels. But no advanced technology and no weaponry such as individual anti-aircraft missiles are allowed and our covert ops people are there to make sure they know who is at least initially getting the weapons. On the other side, the one you seem to be supporting, the Iranians are flying passenger jets filled with arms, ammunition and spare parts to the Assad government. The Iranian fake passenger jets are overflying Iraq with Iraqi government knowledge and permission. Until a couple of weeks ago the North Koreans were also flying passenger jets from Tehran to Damascus filled with arms and missiles, but the Iraqis stopped that and forced them to use Iranian passenger jets only. Last week US personnel still in Iraq have reported non-US C-130 flying over Iraq toward Syria and returning.
The Russians are making a pretense of helping the Assad government, but only because they know that if the rebels win,m they will lose their only overseas military base at Targus. And this base is critical to thge Russian Navy to make the Black Sea Fleet viable in any future conflict. The Chinese simply are not interested in burnming any bridges with any country with a drop of oil.
Odd how there is no mention on this site about Obama and Panetta sending American troops to Jordan. There are other news outlets covering the story, why not this one? Guess 'news' isn't their strong suit unless it is pro-Obama.
Look at where Jordan is, think something strategic going on there? The plane story is no big deal, quel suprise, now tell us something we don't know. The troops to Jordan is a far more newsworthy story taken in the context of ongoing events.
Sorry outofthe woods but ...
Screw the Middle East. Let the Arab League take the lead on these proposed negotiations. Why must the US always be the Police, negotiators, and peace keepers?
Yes, let's support the Arab League (or other ME Arabic country) but they need to take the lead.
out of the woods, why is it Obama's job to fix the World (haven't we been thru this?)
100 troops to Jordan is not a 'strategic' move. Possibly enough for a precision raid but not a lot more.
mygirl:
I read about that yesterday, here at NBC. This article is not about that. This article is about Turkey (which is a different country than Jordan).
Russia Before: We wouldn't transport weapons in passenger planes because it's against international arms laws.
Russia Now: It's not ours.
Yeah okay.
Cadiz1: Certainly any country can force down any aircraft in its airspace, however the reported materials are not munitions per say and to make a big deal of that is reaching by most standards. I take it from your statement that you have a standpoint whereby you support the fact that the Turks have apparently loved ~ 30000 Kurds to death over the last decade or so ( official US figures ), and similarly have not even a touch of a problem with the suicide car bombings carried out by rebel affiliated Al Quiada elements in Syria ( no different to those in Iraq, Israel etc ) plus the quite well recorded brutality of the FSA ( at least up there with Assad's efforts ). I on the other hand dislike both the vicious Turkish oppression of Kurds and the brutality of both sides in the Syrian war. I believe that if a genuine arms embargo was applied ( not a selective one which will never be honored given the competing interests ), then there would be a chance of getting this thing under control. Until that time it is a sectarian based proxy war with the proxies displaying only lip service in regards the civilians in the middle - ergo, Turkey channeling arms to one side while shouting about denial of arms to the other side.
@mygirl,
It was on here with nice pictures of "black ops" guys' legs and Jordanian troops guarding Syrian refugees. You just missed it. Trying the anti-Obama spin won't work on that one. It was well-reported on NBC News.
Out,
what happened to staying out of Syria and the Middle East's problems? your position has changed along with Mitt's? Many in your party would like nothing more than to see us get out of the Middle East and ignore them for a while.
Famous last words, right??
They said that when Vietnam started, didn't they?
We've seen this movie before - in fact A COUPLE TIMES before - haven't we?????
(Eyes roll)
Translation: Get ready for yet ANOTHER useless, asinine quagmire where our guys will be getting killed in a filthy fifth century rathole for NOTHING.
Obama would have no chance at fixing the world if he wanted to. The liberal rag, New York Times, just printed an article saying Obama has no significant relationship with any of the world's leaders (but he always has time for The View and Oprah). Sorry folks, but the man I voted for in '08 does not look or act very presidential. Especially when standing next to Romney in the last debate. Simply the way I saw it.
Electronics can also be weapons. Or are you going to try to assert that the electronics that were confiscated by Turkey were flat screen TVs?
yes, and we have seen this movie hundreds of times when a few men went somewhere and came back with no million-man war.
The jet would cross Turkey in about 30 minutes. They were tipped off and it was prudent to scramble the F-16s, especially when Syrian shell have been raining across the border.
The US needs to tell the US Ally Turkey to butt out and let these guys fight and kill each other off:
The "Syrian Rebels" as the Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada Syria and the Fundamentalist Islamic Kurdistanis PKK, HPG, KGK as previously trained, armed and funded by the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran's Special Forces, Quds.
The President Assad, as the Ally of the Russian Federation, and Ally of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran.
The Russian Federation as the Ally of President Assad and the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran.
The Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran as the Ally of President Assad, the Russian Federation, Chinese and the Islamic Shia Government of Iraq.
Turkey broke the law by an unwarranted provocation. Why I understand them wanting to be vigilante. They must way that in regards to sovereign and international rights. Who do they think they are; the Unitied States
Not really Bob --
When Syria shelled turkey just a few days ago, that was reason enough to (suspect) and inspect flights -- Especially when you have a bonafide tip as to illicit cargo. Turkey did a great job in protecting their country and citizens.. and obviously they did find contraband. Syria can protest all they want, but their killing of Turkish citizens (including children) more than justifies Turkeys actions today.
Busted. I really hope Turkey presses Syria more and more. They have the second finest military in the world. If anyone in the region has the potential to be a huge thorn in Assad's side it will be them. Next time smuggle weapons in over one of your dirty little puppet countries Russia.
???????????????? No offense Troy, but........
Israel, Russia, England, China, France, Germany..........2nd finest. Highly doubtful.
I would have to agree with Troy to a limited degree. The Turkish military is a mean green fighting machine. The Russians are scared to death of the Turks. And you have to remember that Turkey has a large number of nukes (50-90) under their complete operational control as a NATO weapon-sharing partner. What makes them so potent with Syria is that they are right there. It would be a long distance deployment for every country @out mentioned except Israel, and Israel lacks the capability for sustained operations that Turkey has.
Russia has just backed out of the arms deal they made to disarm nuclear and biological weapons.
We have the old Russia starting to flex it's muscles, while our admin is apologizing for a movie. We need a new president before this situation escalates.
(Obama to Russian PM.."I'LL BE ABLE TO DO MORE AFTER THE ELECTION.")
@jw101,
The Russians DID NOT back out of the arms deal. They opted out of the US paying 80% of the cost. Currently Putin is on a rant about taking American NGO and SALT handouts. He considers it an insult amounting to saying that Russia is so broke it can;t afford to destroy its own nukes and chemical (not biological) weapons. It's more empty chest-beating than muscle-flexing. It is unlikely the Russia has the cash to continue its participation.
NOPE. You have NEVER Been there (US Ally Turkey), I have:
Turkey's Army is Mighty In Numbers, Not Weapons
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/01/09/turkish-army-personnel-versus-tools.html
I TOLD YOU BEFORE DO NOT USE WIKIPEDIA, Wikipedia Disclaimer of Validity.
The Nuclear Weapons and the US Military Nuclear Weapons Custodial Units were removed a Very Long Time Ago as observed by the then USSR under the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces (INF), SALT, START Nuclear Treaties, and I was involved with that at now closed US Army Erzurum and US Army Inserlick; as well at USAF Incirlik Air Force Base.
finest army to battle girls/women, minorities and unarmed people!
They could not put down Kurds rebellion going on for decades. What sort of an army it is?
The current Islamist Erdogan and his army are good for seventh century Sunni Saudi & co desert dances!
@Jonathan: Careful, do not underestimate the Turks. This coming from someone who spent three years in the USAF there. I'm glad they are on our side.
roger white: Thanks.
Mind you: Turks are what they are due to fighters like you.
But for the US and NATO forces, after some time, they can't even do their Sunni Saudi dances for long.
Recall the Armenian genocides during early 1910s. Also recall their roles in Cyprus.
Due to Kamal Atturk, Turks had become secular. But the current seventh century beastly Erdogan and his party people are taking Turks back.
I support the under dogs and infidels like Kurds, Shiites and Muslim minority tribes against the seventh century Sunni Saudi barbaric and beastly one-way traffic desert beasts.
This makes the headlines of
I thought the article caught the Syrians do a naughty, however, radios and missile parts do not a large explosion make. Article seems too suggestive rather than accurate.
Exactly.
"Munitions" is defined as "war materials." While it was often thought in the past to be mostly gund and ammunition and explosives, the modern definition can include everything from military radiosm replacement parts, missiles, night vision optics and many other things that are modern war materials.
These days even iPads are considered "war materials" if sent to a country for potential military use.
"Sabre rattling between Syria and its northern neighbor has increased in recent days after a spate of cross-border shell and mortar firings."
Turkey and Sunni Saudi desert dances just like before Iraqi wars!
They can't do much except barking and wailing in different directions.
They want NATO forces to do the dirty jobs for them.
Of course, after victory, they (al-Qaida, MB, Salaffi fundamentalists) have to be in charge!
@Jack from Jax: That equipment can go boom once it arrives at its destination - Syria - and gets hooked up with the rest of the equipment, which is either already there or scheduled for delivery.
A little inductive thought can move one from "suggestive" to conclusion. Russia is Syria's largest arms supplier, Russia is backing Syria in this war, and although I do not have a singular incident to point out that Russia has done this sort of thing before, we are talking about Russia, so I am willing to bet they have.
Russia and Syria got caught. Good for you Turkey!
I could give a rats arse about the Middle East and all those involved. Bring all Americans home and cut off all money/food & US Aid. We have plenty of B-1's & B-2's, Cruise Missles and one hell of a Navy, leave the Middle East to their own and if they threaten us or attack us then it is back to the Stone Age for the offending Country. I am beyond tired of Sand eaters!
Rightly said. Keep away from the dirtiest sand eaters!
The US and NATO are crippled for all sides! See the Muslims hate marches after just one movie!
Followers of Islamic cult, especially Sunni Saudi inspired Islamic radicals and militants (al-Qaida, Salaffi, Wahhabi, MB, Taliban and other label ones), are fast marching backwards to their seventh century desert tribal days.
They are indulging in rapings, lootings, killings and genocides of non-Muslims (Darfur, S. Sudan, Nigeria and spreading like wild fire in many regions and Muslims (Libya, Mali, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan and other places).
Sunni Saudi backed Salaffi and MB new chapters are opening up in Egypt. Just watch the fate of Christians, women and Israel as the time goes by.
Even in Syria, if Assad is overthrown by Sunni Islamic religious Nazis like al-Qaida, MB, the conditions of Christians will be unbearable just like Iraq.
Good on Turkey for holding users of their airspace accountable for the entire world to see and doing what the rest of the UN/NATO/world won't. I don't know where the Turkish military ranks in the world, but this I know from 1st hand experience; Syria does not stand a chance against Turkey. BTW - radios and missile parts do make a large explosion as they are as important as the weapon that is delivering the explosion. Kurds are part of the problem and some are terrorist that hide in Syria so inviting them to your meeting is counter productive as they are NOT a nation or country.
God knows what you are talking!
Even the best of NATO forces could not battle in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan! Some imagine beyond their capabilities.
Russia is certainly helping Syria!
Initial reports said this plane had nothing. Then - all of the sudden - BOOM - it's got a whole lot of something. Utter BS. It's like those @$$ holes are reading from a script.
Ah, war - how the elite love to use it for pumping an economy. I suppose I should be happy - I work for a defense contractor....so I"ll read from my script as well - head down / don't speak up / do what big brother tells you to do.
ITS OK FOR THE TURKS to go into Iraq and bomb the Kurds on Iraqi's soil , and its OK for them to ARM ,TRAIN AND SMUGGLE Hillary, McCain , Lieberman , Graham , The Saudis and Qataris Alqaida thugs into Syria , Its OK with you all , because Turkey is our allies , so its OK for them to do every illegal BS , But its not OK for Assad and the Syrians to protect them self's . its OK for these thugs to fire Mortar shells that was giving to them by Turkey , that's according to Turkey's news paper , where our satellites I thought we can say anything , except the important things , does Russia really needs to arm Syria in a civilians plane , they already told the UN they do not recognize the sanctions against Syria , Its your BS and Hypocrisy at its best all the time , YOU ARE EITHER WITH US OR YOU ARE AGAINST US , EVEN IF YOU WERE THE ALQAIDA THUGS , YA REMEMBER THEM ??? Remember 9/11 , Libya . Afghanistan , I thought they were our enemy , How come they are our allies in Syria , the Fing Turks , the Saudis and Qataris and NATO and the US admitted to arm and finance these thugs , they are killing the civilians and killing Syria's Christians and destroying every thing Syria have , Its OK with you all , But its not OK when they do that to us and our allies . you all need to see on which side of the FING fence you all at , and stay there quit being like prostitute and F every body and every country . Innocent people dying there , and you all playing politics , you want to go in there and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people , so you can please the masters of Alqaida , the people that attacked here and every where , I see a real problem here , we investigated Bill Clinton for a whole year for Cigar playing , But you won't investigate sending our troops to die , for some body's greed .
Your posts are superb and close to realities.
Let me mention what most are ignoring!
See how people look in one direction.
Many are just ignoring or forgetting the Saudi inspired Islamic radicalism and terrorism in Nigeria, Egypt and other places right now going on!
Barbaric and beastly bigoted Sunni Saudis and outsourced their dirty work to Turkey and now via to the US, Britain and others before their Sunni Arab League dramas in Syria!
The head of the Saudi and their Arab League observers to Syria Sudanese Gen was responsible for the genocides of at least 300000 Christians in Darfur!
Is there a reason to hide behind closet?
It was a valid stop and frisk.
I think they were profiled.
But not for race nor ethnicity. Just for carrying contraband.
First of all, everyone and every nation in the world knows what liars the russian government are, just like their girlfriends, the chinese, so why would you trust anything either of these nations say.
Both of them are interested in world domination and screw who and whatever gets in the way, especially peoples lifes.
Both countries are noted worldwide for lying about everything and stealing anything they can get their little grubby murdereous hands on.
Yeh - not like the United States - our government's like Roy Rogers. They always told us the truth about 9/11, Gulf War 1, Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor, the Lusitania, the Maine, the Alamo, the Indian Wars, the War of 1812, and the Revolution.....always. Our leaders never once told the slightest fib about the reasons for war. Even though a lot of people made a ton of money off of all those wars - and most were precipitated by a financial calamity or people vying for resources - and any sensible country fights for its strategic economic interests - the United States always simply told the truth.
China and Russia....they decided to succumb to the Dark Side of the Force. I saw some stuff about this on Star Wars.....totally true.
Give it a rest conspiracy theory guy. You are welcome to GTFOH and go to Syria and enjoy your freedom there. Or perhaps China or Russia. I here you can say anything you want in those countries. May be Iran is more to your liking, you ungrateful loser.
@politicians are greasy criminals....
Not that I agree with Kyle, but the get out if you don't like it argument is tired and old. For all you know Kyle could love America with all his heart, but hate the injustices that our greasy criminal politicians commit. What's so wrong with that? Where in the Constitution does it say if you leave here you can't speak your beliefs if they are against the government? I believe there is something in there that is the opposite of that. And I believe if you took Kyle's statements to any politician, greasy criminal or not, they would say he has every right to voice his opinions and sentiments and that is the basic foundation of American Democracy.
I read the requisition forms for the electrical equipment, model #'s and issueing permits. The packages were listed as computer hardware, but the material in the crates are used in several soviet based radar systems. They are not sold for civilian use, and are strictly regulated by the government and soviet military.
Why this equipment would be bound for Syria...you'd have to ask the people that sold the material to Syria. Namely the Soviet government.
So? Mitt just said he'd arm the Syrian rebels. Considering that Syria is the only part of the Mediteranean that Russia controls - and it's the ONLY warm-water port where they have a naval base, do you think they might have strategic interests there?
America/Israel/Turkey are going to start a war here - and there's nothing any of us can do about it.
I love it. Syria will file a complaint. What joke considering they are slaughtering their own people.
Syria is fighting a foreign group of alQaida insurgents from Chechnya, Iraq, Somalia, Qatar, Libya, and Arabia. Get your facts staight! Any nation would fight back against this trash miss clinton !
Good for Turkey! They have the right to avoid that they enemies fron Lybia get more weapons or war tecnologhy.
They will kick a...... of Lybia sooner.
What on earth were you trying to say? And what does Turkey have to do with Lybia (Libya? ...Labia...?)?
I hate to say this, but, "pictures or it didn't happen." We've had enough problems with claims made with no proof!
Stoopid story. Russians are no better or worst than the Americans when it comes to meddling in other folks crap. Probably the reason thing are only getting worse. The middle easterners don't have the ability or brains to make weapons like the outsiders can provide to kill each other. Pretty clear that if left alone they would have solved their differences long ago without interference from others. IMHO
Russia's primary export since WWII, arms, nothing new here!
Actually its oil and natural gas.
And where is the U.N. through all of this? Or are Russia and China doing their usual and blocking any action because they love the sight of blood (and the chance to sell arms)?
Isn't it Russia who was warning the U.S. to not get involved in Syria's conflict? Wonder what their official stance on this will be after Putin removes his foot from his mouth.
This battle in Syria shows the typical crap that the world has advanced to.Talk about sabre rattling,,,,all other Countries are pulling the same crap. Innocent people are being killed and the world just sits and talks as usual,,,people are starving and so little is being done that it amounts to almost nothing,,,,,,People dying and the governments across the world are just scratching their collective heads.....A civilized world!!!!Bullcrap. Why is it that this can continue to happen? Talk, Talk, Talk. Can no-one or country do anything about anything these days ? Are we so stuck on political correctness that we let people die at the hands of their governments or are left to starve by their governments? I don't understand this World at all or in any way!We are nothing more meat grabbing Neanderthals, selfish, Me wants everything for Me and sorry can't spare My waste food,,,ya just never know Me might need it later cause no one shares. I remain ashamed,,,,,,,,,,,ZZAR
.....sorry that I let loose. I didn't read any posts to realize that I'm not the only one that feels this shame. We, I am not alone in this travisty of,,,,,,never mind..........
The Russian and Iranian spies on board must have really had good (fake) documents to fool the Turks (who are pretty good cobblers themselves).
Turkey has no rights stopping this plane , the FING TURKS are the ones that need to be stopped , they are arming and training these Alqaida thugs in Turkey , with the help of the US and NATO and financed by none other of the Alqaida fathers them self's ( the Saudis and Qataris ) Turkey doing all this BS because they are getting paid for it , they are responsible for the killings of the Christians in Syria , hell they killed 4 million Armenians ( Christians ) , so for you all to sit here and act like Turkey is such a peaceful nation , you all dumber than you sound , One Fing person dies in Turkey with mortar shells that the Turks provided the rebels with , and that's according to the Turkish news paper , and NATO act like poor old Turkey and we need to protect poor old Turkey , one of the most powerful armies in the world , How long the lying crap going to continue ??? how long the people of this country going to keep believing these lying Politicians and Media ???? I figured you learned from Iraq and Libya , but you all still want to arm these Alqaida thugs in Syria , and scream like hell when they kill our people in Afghanistan and Libya , does any body really paying attention to this .
Go! Go!
And more posts are required to enlighten people on the dumb acts being done by the US and allies dancing to the tunes set by Sunni Saudi Islamic barbarians and beasts, oil companies, lobbyists and Jewish Netanyahus.
With another bunch of dumbest acts like sanctions on Iranian oil, oil prices have started soaring! They have not learnt much from Iraqi wars!
nato is just a bunch of sick anti-Christian baby killers ! Scores of weapons are going to Turkey to arm the alQaida fsa rebels that are beheading and burning Christians galore ! America has sunk to a level of being in charge of ethnic cleansing of all Christian lands. They hepled the Muslims kill the Serbs. They just about wiped out the Christians in Iraq. It is all up to Russia to protect the Christians world wide whch will be a tough battle ! Turkey is occupying Syrian land as we speak !
The USA and other countries have a choice of sending larger arms and weapons to rebels that definatly many end up in the hands of extremists who will use them for attacks in other countries for many years to come. ARMING THE MIDDLE EAST. OR Getting an insider or sending in a secret group that can take Assad out. It will be a blowing crush to the regime and finish it up before the spread into other countries. RUSSIA it seems is no different then Syria, and would to the same to their citizens if they revolted. Imagine just sending tons of arms into the middle east! Which will be used by the extremists or Iranians to shoot at any foreign NATO or Bording troopers. Syria has become an apocolyptic looking devastated country, soon its country to be either killed off or abandonded, WHICH MAY BECOME the starting battle ground for Russian, Syrian and Iranian Vs NATO and Turkey. OH, I am not a " End of the world" fanatic but it DOES mention in the old testement or bible I recall that WWW 3 will start in Damascus! Correct me if Im wrong
What could make possible the senario that Russia sweeps down into Syria to save there (Friends) ?
I don't think Isreal would like Russia sweeping down through Turky to save there (Friends)