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Subscribe to RSSA U.S. Border Patrol agent fatally shot a young Mexican man who had fled across the border into Mexico, the agency said.
The Border Patrol issued a statement Thursday saying that agents responded around 11:30 p.m. Wednesday to reports of two suspected drug smugglers on the U.S. side of the border in Nogales, Ariz.
The agents reported seeing the men “drop a narcotics load” on the U.S. side of the border before jumping a wall or a fence to flee into Mexico.
Once in Mexico, according to the Border Patrol account, the men started throwing rocks at the agents. When they refused to stop, “one agent discharged his service firearm.”
Field supervisors have been ordered by Washington officials to downplay the smuggling threats, a former DEA supervisor says – a charge U.S. Customs and Border Protection vehemently denies. NBC's Mark Potter reports.
“One of the subjects appeared to have been hit,” the Border Patrol statement says. Border Patrol immediately notified the Mexican government; on the U.S. side, the investigation into the shooting is being led by the FBI.
The man was hit 10 times from behind, a doctor in the area told Telemundo. Municipal and state investigative police also said the man was shot several times. They said they found the man, in his mid-20s or early 30s, lying on his stomach.
The man was about 32 feet -- about the length of a yellow school bus -- from the international line when he was shot, Telemundo reported.
About 5,200 Border Patrol agents patrol the Arizona border with Mexico, spokesman Victor Brabble said. That’s 859 more agents than in 2010, representing the Obama administration’s commitment to adding more agents to the border.
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Attention Drug Dealers/Smugglers: Bullets need no passport. You've been properly warned. Regards, CBOP.
Sorry, we accidentally shot you over a dozen times. My bad....sincerely Dept. of Homeland Security
About time!!
"Trowing Rocks" Yeah right!!!
What about Guillermo Arévalo Pedroza who was shot by border patrol, all he was doing was having a family BBQ at a park near a border crossing, in Mexico...where is justice for him?
One day the BP will really encounter heavily armed sicarios, and I hope they wipe out every BP agent on sight...better yet I hope minutemen encounter them.
Please do, it will give us an excuse to move all of the mexicans at least 5 miles from the border
Woody I doubt you can do anything...
ElChapo,Everything you type stays forever on the internet.Your post is a threat to our Border Patrol Agents and hopefully our FBI will be getting in touch with you.
Adios, mother*****r
This incident, while being funny to some, and way overdue to others, brings into question the use of deadly force when no agents lives were in danger. If deadly force can be used when no one is in danger, then what is the limit on the use of deadly force against illegals and legals?
It is the process that must be understood and clearly followed. In this case, it seems the process for allowing the use of deadly force is either missing, incoherent, or not being followed. This is not a football game where everyone goes to the showers and gets a good night's sleep after the game. A man is now dead. Deadly force was used when not needed. I take now joy in the loss of life. Not even a drug mule, especially if the drug mule was not threatening the lives of the agents. This was not a smart thing to do.
Would you be saying the same thing if a Mexican soldier fired across the U. S. border and killed an American citizen?
Yes I would. I don't think it would be a smart thing for a Mexican soldier to shoot across the border and kill an American citizen. Do you? Your comment does not make sense, or if it does, I don't understand it.
Here is a thought.
Who is really responsible for the drugs coming into our country? The drug mules? The dealers that live here that buyy what the mules deliver? Or the users that buy from the dealers?
So if we are going to get real sloppy with the use of deadly force and high five when a man dies because he was involved in illegal drugs, then just tell the cops top shoot the users, the dealers and the mules.
Or would you rather have a process that specifies when the use of deadly force is called for and hold law enforcement to that protocol?
El Chapo, let's hope this is a pattern starting, as the drug fools need to be stopped, PERMANENTLY.
That is some good shooting to hit him 10 times at 32 feet.
GLENN974637 - You wouldn't care a thing about our border patrol shooting this idiot if you were in my shoes! I had a dear friend killed by road rage 2 years ago. The person with the road rage? AN ILLEGAL immigrant! I have no sympathy for those who intentionally break our laws! Shoot their asses!
Dr. E
Haha. I'd like to buy those border patrol guys a beer or two. @!$%#, I'd even fill up their personal vehicles with gas. GJ!
And I have no doubt that next we will learn that he was not a drug smuggler. But he was delivering medicine to crippled orphan children.
No sympathy for what happens to Mexicans hanging out at the border in the middle of the night. Whatever they're doing, it's illegal.
And for those of you about to ask, "But what if they were just sneaking in looking for work?" Then they're invading our country and I still have no sympathy.
The fact that this Administration refuses to enforce our immigration laws (the MOST GENEROUS LAWS IN THE WORLD--- we permit 1 Million LEGAL immigrants into the U.S. every year) and has pledged rewards and special treatment for immigration lawbreakers is precisely the reason that I will NOT be voting for the Democratic leadership this year--- for the 1st time ever! It is a disgrace that American citizens have been forced to cede their land to ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS! This is despicable and intolerable!
A GOVERNMENT WHICH REFUSES TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!
Shoot first ask questions later. It's about time we wake up, any one within 1/2 mile of the boarder should be in fear for their life.
A good start.
Next time fill them full of lead before they drop off the drugs, then station some snipers to pick off anyone who attempts to retrieve it for a few days, lastly booby-trap the drugs and move on to the next area.
@Glenn & Johnny, stoning is a way of killing someone. The story does not say what size rocks were thrown. Toss a pebble up and let it hit you, have a friend throw a rock at you. Do it enough and your going to have bruises and if it hits wrong, you can loose conciousness, or die. You want to bet if those guys crossing the border would have jumped right up to administer first aid, or finished the job. Get a clue.
The saddest thing here is that many who are posting to this topic will be in church on Sunday asking that their prayers be answered in the name of Jesus Christ, while their children are in Sunday school singing "Yes Jesus Loves Me".
Yes our border security is a joke and something needs to be done to stop the Cartels and the illegals, but gunning down unarmed people is not it.
This needs to be done more often you cross the border at a non border check point you get shot. This country needs to get serious about control of the border.
"Give me some water 'cause I shot a man on the Mexican border Cool, cool water Give me some water I need a little water Jimmy grew up so fast and he met me at the mexican border.....…
Eddie Money told the story best back in the day.
Ten rounds in the back? Sounds like the guy was really serious when he decided to commit suicide......
"The saddest thing here is that many who are posting to this topic will be in church on Sunday asking that their prayers be answered in the name of Jesus Christ, while their children are in Sunday school singing "Yes Jesus Loves Me".
Yes our border security is a joke and something needs to be done to stop the Cartels and the illegals, but gunning down unarmed people is not it."
And what of those who threw the rocks? Ever been hit by a few of them? Like a poster said, if you're ever hit in the right spot, it could kill you. But, that's ok, as long as it wasn't a gun, right? Oh, and maybe if Mexico would stop the drug flow, may, just maybe the guns would not be needed.
Actually I was in a few rock throwing battles as a kid. If I remember both sides had fun. Somehow neither side were big pussies that had to break out handguns and start blazing away or go crying to mommy for that matter. We wore our bruises with pride.
EL Chapo Guzman:
I think it's time to return to the old ways. Your bastards of Spain ran from the Apache for hundreds of years, It's time they run from the Apache today. The difference is, today it will be the helicopter. Send in the Apaches to hose down the border and waste every last drug smuggle, border jumper, cartel goon and Coyote along it entire length. No mercy, no quarter, just a hale of 7.62 rounds.
Justin in NLV;
Do you live under a rock in NLV? Six ranchers have been shot by drug smuggler on their land on the U.S. side of the border this year alone, three were killed. They ARE shooting people in the U.S. and have been for quite a while now. You really need to try and stay current. But then, it only seems to be news around the border, the rest of you are too busy feeling sorry for these border jumping criminals with that tired refrain, "They only come here for a better life". Here's a novel idea, make a better life in their own country. How about this, come hang out in the border zone for a few weeks, The you'll get an idea of what is REALLY going on here. It isn't what your favorite lying piece of crap politician will have you believe. It is a war zone, National parks along the border have been closed to U.S. citizens because the cartel have set up camp in them and it's too dangerous to go hiking or camping in them. Mexican military have been filmed making incursions into American soil and still your government does nothing. Wake up Justin, it has gone beyond illegal immigration to an invasion.
Yea.....good shooting there pardner.
Wow, guess if these Mexicans decide to shoot across the border it's cool just duck right. Remember what goes around comes around. I feel sorry for the ranchers with land at the border they better have body armor.
Shooting someone for throwing rocks. Welcome it israel. I guess the forced re-settlements are next.
Maybe they should just shoot the drug users here instead. Nahhh, most of them are white and we can't punish them.
Only in American;
I extend the same invitation to come hang out in the border zone a few weeks I gave Justin in NLV. It's easy to see the problem from the comfort of your much removed lazy boy, my friend. Come on down to my ranch and we'll see how many Unarmed, innocent people you see crossing the border. The one's without the guns are generally Packing fifty kilos of drugs on their backs. So their real innocent, huh? My place straddles the New Mexico, Arizona lines on the border with Frejola land. I can tell you there are damn few innocents coming across the border, you are simply misinformed by your favorite political scum bags that allow this invasion to continue. Come on down and get the real story, but, be aware they like to shoot at you if they see you filming them. Not that the video does any good, the government knows about it and choices to do nothing.
I live a 20 minute trolley ride from the border and visit Mexico quite alot. As you enter Mexico, stationed there are Mexican Marines with automatic weapons, which I'm sure they won't hesitate to use if needed.
That being said, If 2 men running back into Mexico want to stop running after they hit the border and start throwing rocks, you don't bring a rock to a gun fight,you keep running. Dumb a$$es.
We ought to be bringing our troops home and instead of seperating them, station them at the border and end this BS once and for all.
Watch and see what happens.....
The Mexican government, one of it's drug cartel lawyers, or a "family" member will SUE the Border Patrol agent, DHS, and the United States government.
I wonder how long it will take the DHS to call, or send a "We are sorry" note, to express the United States sincerest apologies for this incident.
SDBruce.....Sorry, can't use active military folks to patrol the borders. However, the National Guard might be available.....but this administration will only send them as advisors and without weapons.
He was throwing stones...that explains how he was shot in back.
I'm thinking back to the farmer along the border who was threatened with death by the cartel if he harvested his field. They needed the cover his crops offer to hide their drug drops. He lost the biggest part of his crop because he didn't get it harvested in time. If it had been my farm, I'd have waited til after dark and used a crop duster to pour gasoline on the crop and then struck a match.
If DEM. admin is so good on supplying more agents for the border, which they claim to have done, why did they not send protection to embassy employees who were in a worse hot spot than the boder?? They were refused the people they were asked for. Let the Obama admisinistration answer that one.
You can b e sure I am voting for the AMERICAN this election.
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but bullets kill!
El Chapo.....the mouth runner, were did you go DUDE?
GLAD it bothers you. AMERICANS don't want your illegals, your drugs, and want to throw out the millions of illegal mooch people sucking off of us.ANYONE trying to sneak into our country? shoot them. THEN not so many will try.P>S> EVERY illegal mooch needs to be thrown BACK across the border.OUTno more "free lunch" here!
we make ur lunch foo!
Instead of hurrahs and hand clapping here you should be taking up a collection for a defense fund for that agent. It doesn't matter what I think, the Mexican govt. is not going to be happy about our agents shooting into their country, and the wimpy a$$ bosses over the border patrol are going to crucify this guy. They've done to other agents for less. I don't believe the ten bullets in the back though. Unless three or four agents were shooting at him for target practice. Drugs are a curse on America, stand up for the fight against them help make a difference. Get out and vote this November.
Couple of thoughts here...
1. Horray, at least it wasn't a border patrol agent as a result of Fast and Furious Executive Priviledge 2, the sequel.
2. I couldn't agree more with the sentiment to extend capital punishment to drug users. A vast majority of crimes in this country are the result of drug addiction, booze addiction or gambling addiction. In fact, I would even love to extend capital punishment to any and all sex offenders, again these perverts have shown time and time again they prey on children, women, and the elderly/infirm.
3. Perhaps if more incidents like this occurred, where our border agents actually took out the trash and made the illegal border crossings more dangerous than they are worth, perhaps that border might actually mean something other than the finish line to the land of milk and honey and social assistance.
4. It amazes me there are actually American Citizens that would even flap thier faces over the defense of OUR Borders. It don't make a bit of damned difference if it was a drug dealer, a human trafficker, or even an immigrant fruit picker. That BORDER is our front door. You don't break into MY house and expect a cup of tea and a frickin donut.
5. This guy, regardless of what you say died of Natural Causes. (Being shot 10 times, Naturally you are going to Die).
6. I am sure within a few hours, days, or probably has already happened, the Apology Tour has left the White House for a pit stop to make an apology before hitting the tees at some golf course. Along the way of course, there will be a road side break for the Apologizer in Chief to piss on the Alamo and offer that as restitution.
And lastly, though my tongue in cheek comments probably will piss off some libtard or demtard, too bad. Unlike this administration, I don't have 3 million dollars to produce an apology film denouncing my 1st Amendment Right to Free Speech. I paid for that right with my military service...
justin nlv, yes, if he was transporting drugs then yes, by all means do shoot to kill !!!
patsycamour, and you damn meskins are the drug suppliers,making a profit tell me who the hypocrite is, the drug dealers, btw, maybe you should shoot yourself in the head? why don't you get the @!$%# out of my country and take your sympathizers with you !
ya know , our govt dont give a shot , where do you think they get their drugs look at the olf fkrs in there yhey need replaced , they are on the cartels payroll too or they would do something about it
never bring rocks to a gun fight. you know what they were thinking ......they won't shoot lets see if we can hit one of those guys with these rocks! bad idea! screw e'm they knew what they were doing. and to add my 2cents americans are buying the drugs? then who is forcing you to supply them knowing the harm they cause? i really do not care for a single boarder jumping person getting shot in the process of entering this country illegally . if you have 500 to a 1000 dollars to pay the coyote then you have the bucks to purchase a legal visa.
And the facts come out, agents only carry a 9 round clip, at least that would be my spin on it. To protect an agent doing a job, that unless you are there, you can not know the degree of danger, fear, or confusion to pass judgement. Because you can't seem to equate danger to reading the words throwing rocks.
I may not applaud this killing but I definitely will not condemn it or the agent for doing what they felt necessary for their safety. When someone runs and then stops after crossing some invisible line of boundary. Thinking they can safely throw rocks with the intent to harm, perhaps laughing and taunting, is not the smartest thing to do.
10 rounds in the back reported by possibly cartel owned police who may have been ordered to add a couple in the back. Or the word of doctors who may be in fear of their life. I'll go with what ever the agent reports as fact, believable or not.
OH, NO!
Mexico's sovereignty has been violated!!
Did the bullet have PERMISSION to enter Mexico?
1 shot from US Border Patrol followed by the 9 shots from Mexican police working with drug traffickers.
Did you read the article? Where does it say anything about the victim being an illegal immigrant. He was a Mexican citizen standing in Mexican territory and was shot by an American standing on American soil. Let's switch scenarios. Would you be applauding if a Mexican citizen had shot an American citizen standing on American soil. I doubt it!
Did you read the article?
He was in the US and after dropping off his dope load, he then jumped the fence back into Mexico.
To late mother @!$%#er, your dead.
I don't think Mexico has a problem with US citizens illegally entering mexico and for damned sure they do not have a problem with US citizens smuggling dope into their country.
But for the record: No, I wouldn't have a problem with a Mexican Soldier killing an American who was fleeing back across the border after they committed a crime on Mexican soil. Thats the chance a criminal takes and in my book, an imaginary line isn't going to stop me from clipping your ass if I catch you doing dirt in my Country.....
I do not believe the Border Patrol agent was justified in shooting this person across and international border. There were other ways to handle this without discharging a firearm several times and shooting the suspect in the back. Let's see what both countries investigation decides on this one. Justification and authority to discharge a firearm across an international border.
@ clarkjoebob
That is some good shooting to hit him 10 times at 32 feet.
The sad part could be 46 shots fired (two mags) Need to also account for Kentucky windage...
INTELLECT:
Like what? Please give me ONE SOLITARY other action he could have taken that would have actually made a difference?
What, yell "halt"?
Call the Mexican Police, who are in bed with the Cartels?
Or maybe even threaten to call the dope smugglers Mother?
Gimme a break. Those animals are killing their own people by the thousands and you expect us to shed a tear because one of our people kills one of the smugglers?
Are you serious? Or are you depending on the product their smuggling?
Screaming - He was throwing rocks. How about the agent simply backing up and walking away? The Mexican was found 32 feet from the border. I doubt the agent was standing right on the line, so probably they were 50 feet from each other and the person throwing the rocks was in another country. The object had been achieved - the drugs did not make it into the US. The agent could simply have not engaged in the use of deadly force and left the area.
You know......Mexico never formally signed a peace agreement after it declared war against Germany in 1942, so Mexico could receive brand new weapons for its military from the US. Since Germany is now a member of NATO, just like the United States, why doesn't NATO defend Germany against evil Mexico?
Why would OBAMA want to defend Americans? They receive campaign contributions from non-profits that have money funneled to them from Latin American COMMUNISTS that run the drug cartels. Biting the hand that feeds OBAMA would be a huge mistake for his campaign.
Intellect using your theory I agree with you. Lets let Mexico charge Eric Holder and Obama for all the deaths associated with Fast and Furious US government gun running across international borders. Dont give me they didnt know excuse either. They knew . Cases that big that cross international borders need approval of the white house.
Who will charge Mexico with all the deaths caused by Mexican drugs?
Patsycamoure3,
You said; "You freaking American savages, go shot your freaking drug addicts to death! You're the biggest consumers of meth, and coke, and heroine, and marijuana, and LSD, and prescription drugs, in the entire world."
And you are the biggest suppliers. Sooo...what's your point?!
Also, notice how you didn't hear again from EL Chapo again when just a cleaning lady wrote;
"ElChapo, Everything you type stays forever on the internet.Your post is a threat to our Border Patrol Agents and hopefully our FBI will be getting in touch with you."
Oh man! I LMAO. Too funny man. I looked around and yeah, he didn't post again. Way to go cleaning lady and yes, you're correct. The FBI does cruise the net looking for leads and situations like that. Just like when they pose as a child or something to lure the scumbads in. Heh heh.
Have a nice weekend...
Good.
JOEMIKE:
We'll just have to disagree on this one. I think the time has come to play in the same game their playing in. Killing these people is the only game they understand and we need to dish it out to them in Spades. Mexico is nothing more than our modern day of version of our 70's-80's Columbia. But even worse, these clowns are on our direct border.
So we'll just have to disagree on this one. I say kill every one of them that crosses our border carrying that poison. If they fight back in any way whats-so-ever and do not immediately surrender, kill them.
That they understand.....
I like the person on the post above who said "what if a Mexican soldier shot across the border and killed an American?" First off- Americans aren't sneaking into Mexico, smuggling people and drugs, and then cowardly throwing rocks at Mexican authorities from the American side of the border. Second- The audacity of these criminals to come and go as they please into our country and then assault American personnel is outrageous. A little reminder now and then that we will defend our country is good for everyone!
You're right screaming, we will definitely have to disagree. I personally have no interest in descending to the societal level of drug cartels. If that is the best we can be, our nation is doomed.
@Joe I would certainly disagree with you as well. The notion of just "simply walking away" from someone that just crossed the border illegally and IGNORING the fact they are assaulting you is not only assinine but it encourages more of the same, if not a green light to the offending party to escalate the violence because YOU have just proven yourself to be the easy mark.
Now while tragic and unavoidable, I can see no fault in our agent engaging a threat. That invisible border is no different than the threshhold of your house or your yard. You have a right to defend it, and you have a right to defend yourself. The point YOU fail to realize this incident would have never have happened in the first place if that "poor poor drug smuggler, illegal border crosser, rock tosser" would NOT have engaged in smuggling the drugs, crossing the border illegally, and then being dumb enough to hurl rocks at an agent armed with a gun, IN THE FIRST PLACE. Instead of engaging in that activity, IF that poor poor drug smuggler had been looking for, oh I don't know, a real job instead of crime, he wouldn't have been in that position in the first place.
You can certainly blame the drug use in this country as the source of that "employment", but like anything else, your choice of employment comes down to exactly that, a choice...
Will, you are absolutely, completely 100% wrong. That "invisible border" is certainly different than the door to my house. If we are unable or unwilling to respect the soverign borders of another nation then we can have no reasonable argument when Canada or Mexico do not respect the soverign border of the United States.
I have not failed to realize anything. I said nothing that would indicate I was excusing nor condoning the behavior of the drug mule. And you are correct that the incident would not have happened if that individual was not running drugs. Those facts do not justify making being a drug mule a capital offense. Think for just one damn minute about the difference in the conversation on this blog if a cop were to shoot dead an American citizen in the middle of an American city from 50 feet away for throwing stones at him.
Nicodemus, I hear you and agree with you 100%! I too live on the Arizona/Mexico border. Approximately 6 blocks from the border fence in fact. Based on where you say your ranch is, I reckon I live about 45 minutes to an 1 hour west of you. Heck, you probably shop at the local WalMart here. I have illegals running the alleys behind my house almost every night. My alarm system consisting of thee large dogs lets me know when they are at my gate. People that are not from the area we are from think that we are exaggerating the problems and the dangers of living on the border. I have been the victim of a home invasion by armed illegals while I was home. It was not a nice experience and afterward, I armed my self with a rifle and a pistol. My wife had never allowed a firearm in the house until then.
The illegals and the drug mules control our Southern borders. Janet "do nothing" Napolitano has unmitigated gall to pull her head out the sand and make the statement a while back that "Our borders are now safer than they have ever been." I live at ground zero and I sure do not feel safe! I do not blame the Border Patrol. They are doing the best job they can under the restrictive rules of engagement that Napolitano and Holder have imposed. Most of the time the agents are fighting with one hand tied behind their backs. I believe we should militarize our borders by amending the Posse Comitus Act. The Coronado National Forest straddling Arizona and New Mexico is owned by thee illegals and the drug cartels. There is a sign at one entrance to the national forest at Rucker Canyon telling people to "Enter at own risk. Area not patrolled." The Forest Service folks don't want to deal with the drug runners and I don't blame them. Last I knew the standard sidearm of the Forest Rangers was a .38 Special or a 9mm pistol. I think elements of say, the 10th Light Mountain Division be brought in to patrol the mountain areas with open rules of engagement as these units would be much more heavily armed. We also need increased border surveillance from more predator drones and satellites with real time imaging and the drones armed to the teeth to find these scum as they bring their poison across the border into the U.S. Give them one chance to surrender. If they choose not to, let loose with everything we've got and leave nothing standing or running. Send a clear message to the cartels and smugglers that we will hit them at the border and in their pocketbooks! The current administration refuses to even consider getting tough and hopes the problem will just go away. More voter base if we leave them alone and give amnesty. The real victims are those of us that live on the border and have to deal with the results of Holder and Napolitanos's neglect and incompetence on a daily basis. Garbage like "Fast and Furious" notwitstanding.
Intellect, if you are dumb enough to make a comment like that you may as well have the words Leftist Liberal tattooed on the back of your head. Oh wait, you probably already have!
Mexicans are just waiting for Americans to take their country back.
ATTACK MEXICAN CONSULATES and let's gets this war goin'!
Syria fires mortar shell chasing rebels into Turkey, the Turks fire several rounds back into Syrian artillery units because a violation of their sovereignty.
US Border Patrol fires into Mexico, chasing drug smugglers, should Mexico fire back?
Mexican National shot 10 times in the back while standing on Mexican soil. I read here a lot of whooping, back slapping and high fiving that this is a good thing. There was a time in American when being a Back Shooter was considered dishonorable. I guess for some here, that is an outdated morality. I think I will stick with the old American Values of trying to own the moral high ground, and not endorse shooting people in the back, even if they are rock throwing drug smugglers.
@ Reliant
If you read the article, you would have noticed that agent in question discharged his firearm once. ONCE! Not the 25 times a Mexican doctor allegedly stated. The amount of rounds in the average 9mm pistol CBP agents carry is about 9 rounds. That is even assuming he was an expert shot and hit center mass with every round in a crisis situation. Think about it. I'm sure you would stand there and not defend yourself if someone was throwing fist size rocks at your head from the length of a school bus away? How do you know the man was not bending down to pick up another rock from behind him? Get real. This is not about the morals and American values you are trying to throw in. It is about survival! If you lived down here like I do, you might have a clue of what really goes on around here.
JOEMIKE:
Ummm, I wasn't aware that Mexico had started to respect our border.
Wait a minute! This whole conversation is because a Mexican crossed our border illegally in order to smuggle some dope over here!
Thats suuurrrre showing our border some respect!
It happens every day in this country. Anybody with 1/2 a brain knows that our Police Departments are out of control.
But here is the difference. It's an American citizen your talking about. A US citizen under US law and guaranteed protection under the US Constitution.
An illegal jumping our border in order to smuggle drugs isn't afforded the same luzurys, nor should they be. They are threat to the safety of our borders and as far as I am concerned, they should kill every one of them they see that doesn't immediately surrender.....
Screaming, I guess JoeMike and Intellect think the Border Patrol should have Mirandized the drug runner and thrown the rocks back first before taking any further action to defend themselves!
I guess. I can never even begin to understand people like them.....
I hear you. I gave up years ago!
Ed and screaming - it is the steady diet of libtard pie people are fed, provided by a socialist baker and peddled by the kumbaya man.
How about shooting the rats on this side too?
Secure Our Borders - INVADE MEXICO!
Screaming, it is sad that you are unable to tell the difference between an act of a government official and a private citizen of Mexico. A private citizen of Mexico engaged in an illegal act. Our government official fired a weapon into the soverign nation of Mexico killing their citizen. Mexican citizens illegally crossing the border into the United States is not an act of the Mexican government. Back to civics class for you...
Perhaps you and ExNavyDoc could understand people like me and intellect if you used the brain above your waist.
here is the deal. the BP agents observe these guys dropping their load of drugs in America the BP goes after them and they take off at 900 miles an hour KNOWING they are in trouble and then stop at a certain point inside mexico and hurl rocks at the BP agents.......since they acted out in aggression ( fired across the boarder from mexico first) then the sovereignty line don't mean crap at that point , the BP had every right to fire back and defend themselves. BP agents are injured all the time by sh@theads throwing rocks over the boarder at them . they throw rocks on a DAILY basis. maybe all of you peace love and bobby sherman people should take a ride with the boarder patrol and see what it is really like and then you would not be so sympathetic to these (poor) mexicans. they know what they are doing. hollywood movies are not a good source of information . more so when it says ( based on a true story) ha! it is so bad you just have to be there to truly understand the situation.
Kilroy, no matter the emotional factor you have just elaborated on there is still international law, treaties and our own rules of engagement that are the most important factor in this situation. I know you mean well with your "kill them all and let God sort them out" but that just is more John Wayne rhetoric that just won't fly.
In the end it is just what I have stated that will be the determining factor on all of this shooting across an international border. Too bad but I do not think it will end well for this Border Patrol agent due to the rule of law and treaties with another sovereign nation that supplies oil to the US. I suspect the agent will be suspended and then dismissed for this action.
Joe - It don't matter to me if the punk was acrossed the border, hiding in a church, or even lobbing water ballons. The Bottom line is, rock throwing, is an assault with a "deadly weapon", and the agent returned fire. I have seen first hand the same mentality you espouse in combat. Having people under the notion they can use schools, churches, mosques, hospitals and ambulances from which to fire upon the troops, because those building are "protected". To me, IF you are stupid enough to hurl rocks, bottles, or even lead at an armed federal agent, and you end up dying from lead poisoning as a result, then too damned bad.
Suggesting that agent could just walk away is like telling you to just leave your home so the burglar can rob it. YOU have every right to your home. You have every right to defend not only your home but yourself as well. And to believe that WE should just obey that demarcation line when someone has "assaulted" a federal agent is beyond liberalism. It is plain stupidity.
I was deployed once to Panama for the Cuban Refugee Crisis. I patrolled Camp 5. And when those "refugees" started thier riot, they used rocks and tent poles and anything else they could use as makeshift weapons. I saw what kind of damage a rock can do to the human face, and I have seen what an open skull fracture looks like. And certainly anyone hurling even a pebble my way isn't going to be shown hugs and kisses or a little swat on the hiney. So, you will have to forgive me when I support our Border Patrol Agents for defending themselves.
JoeMike, at least I have said brain above my belt! Listening to your comments makes me doubt the existence of yours altogether. I live down here on the border. You obviously do not even live in this state. If some bozo drug runner is throwing fist size rocks at my head, I will damn well defend myself just like that Border Patrol agent did and I don't give a rats behind which side of the border he is on! I'm sorry you think the agent in question should have turned tail and ran. That is your problem. I suggest you and others that feel as you do read a book entitled "The Reaper's Line" by a gentleman named Lee Morgan. It is an eye opener for those that do not know the true conditions down here on the border.
Who cares. Non story. Unproductive, immigrant, criminal(illegal) elements should all be shot in their heads. No one cares. mexico does nothing about the corruption and graft in their own country but complains the US is responsible for their drug problem. here's a thought, use all the money you get from leasing oil rights and from the sweet NAFTA trade deals you got and Buy an Army to handle your many, many many social problems. FIX YOUR OWN COUNTRY so your citizens will stop looking to immigrate to our country. We do not want your kind in our country, by that i mean undocumented illegals. Stay the hell out until you have immigrated LEGALLY. Until then, they should all expect a bullet in their heads. Don't cross our borders and you won't have to worry about BP agents shooting you.
Some of you are seriously oozing hate.
It's disgusting.
Patsycamoure3 banned for death wishing all Americans. No thanks.
We need a taller wall...
Ant1369,We need an electrified fence,guard towers and eminent domain of all U.S. land that is within 30 miles of the border.Mexico needs to do the same.Our country needs to withhold all aid to Mexico until they agree to secure their side and vacate villages,towns and smuggling businesses within 30 miles of their border.
Call Israel they know how to build one hell of a wall!!!! Their walls also work pretty damn well and I will they would build us one!
No!
We do not need a taller wall. Or guard towers. Or the idiotic idea of land mines and machinegun positions. All we really need to do is go to the government of Mexico. And tell them that we are cutting off ALL foreign aid and closing the border until THEY get their side and their citizens under control. If we did that, all this mess would disappear over night.
I agree-- build an Israeli-style fence --- these ILLEGALS won't be able to penetrate that!
Gary - A wall is better than Mexico government. Mexico's government is corrupt and incompetent.
Gary, sorry to say but the people in charge down there want the boarders open. I am not talking the government, I am talking the Cartels and the gangs.
NO, what we NEED is the army on the border with that @!$%# hole south of us, and machine guns every 50 yards with orders to shoot to kill!!
My, my how times change. I do recall how the Americans were jumping up and down for joy when they brought the 'wall' down in Berlin. Now, they want to put one up over here. Just remember that wall goes both ways.
Not everyone in Mexico, nor here in the U.S. are drug smugglers, but, I agree that the those responsible need to pay the price and believe me, the Creator is watching and keeping a record. Heaven and Earth are the witnessness.
You see the fires, floods, earthquakes, extreme temperature changes? And the violence (HAMAS)among the lawless in the land, who DO NOT FEAR their Maker? Instead, they turn up their nose at His LAW (TORAH). They will get it when the water is withheld from the heavens, and the drought begins. Drought means a loss of crops and a loss of crops means ECONOMIC COLLAPSE and STARVATION. You get it right?
Maybe these so-called politicians will 'get it' and start doing something about it before we get on the last nerve of El Shaddai and he DOES do something about it.
CLEARLY what is needed is a "no man's land" with signs posted informing anyone in those areas that they are subject to being SHOT if they are there. This applies to USA residents as well. Once on their side of the border they are "Safe". This means that we should not be shooting people outside of our Country. Nor should they. Seems to work in Korea.......
You can't lob a rock 1000 feet and it takes a while to run that far. No man's land = Dead man's land. Put those returning snipers to work.
A giant wall would be great.. But keep knocking them off, one by one.. They will get the message
hopefully soon...Give the agent three cheers.
Unfortunately, deploying the military at the border is a violation of the possee commitatus act. Though I do fully support the sentiment. And we can not do the "demilitarized zone thing". The Current Administration has already done that on OUR side of the border with his signs telling US CITIZENS not to walk on land belonging to this country for thier own safety.
A real misconception. If that were true, why does the US Army have campaign medals from actions involving US Army troops on the US-Mexico border?
The Mexican Service Medal was established on December 12, 1917 by War Department General Orders Number 155.
http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Awards/mexican_service.aspx
The Mexican Border Service Medal was established by Act of Congress (Public Law 193, 65th Congress) on July 9, 1918.
http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Awards/mexican_border_service.aspx
The US Army has a long history of protecting the US border from invading Mexicans. In 1916, 80% of the US Army's troops were on the US-Mexico border just prior to World War I.
Exactly.
Build the wall, man it and arm it. Cross the border illegally and you die.
Period. End of discussion and problem.
Unfortuneyly building a higher wall and spending more money on it is not the answer because its already known that the little sneeky bastards like rats build tunnels underground to get across.
I think you have forgotten history 101, the wall in Berlin wasn't to keep the western defectors out, it was a prison wall to keep their own held hostage. What we are discussing is the stemming of the flow of persons who are at every turn violating US law and have no regard what so ever for the damage that their type has done to the economy. Furthermore, it IS a matter of national security as there are documented cases of other foreign nationals utilizing our southern border as a weak entry point.
will the watcher they can just repeal the act. lets see they repeal acts all the time in congress. look at the glass stegal repeal ( that hurt our nations economics ). for a change why dont they repeal something that would benefit our nation and the safety of our citizens? oh wait they wont since it would harm their corporate butt buddies.
Unfortunately: Build a wall, they will use a tunnel. A lot of illegals are in the US because their VISAs have expired. Of course, MEXICO helped them sneak in.
A huge problem is local towns, intimidated by a huge Mexican presence, and giving them sanctuary by stealing the rights of Americans to be protected by laws from these Mexican invaders.
The answer lies with military force against Mexico,
the use of NATO troops on the border to show the world's disapproval of what MEXICO has tried to do to the American people and
the demand that Mexico pays the bill for THEIR ILLEGALS and compensate Americans for their losses.
Menoseeno and Eric,
An exception to Posse Comitatus Act derived from the Force Acts allowed President Eisenhower to send federal troops into Little Rock, Arkansas, during the 1958 school desegregation crisis. The Force Acts, among other powers, allow the President to call up military forces when state authorities are either unable or unwilling to suppress violence that is in opposition to the constitutional rights of the people.[5]
The original Posse Comitatus Act referred essentially to the United States Army. The Air Force was added in 1956 and the Navy and the Marine Corps have been included by a regulation of the Department of Defense. The United States Coast Guard is not included in the Act. (The U.S. Coast Guard was originally part of the Treasury Department, was later part of the Department of Transportation, and is now within the Department of Homeland Security.) This law is often relied upon to prevent the Department of Defense from interfering in domestic law enforcement.
With this being said, there are a couple of issues here. #1, States like Arizona are certainly MORE THAN WILLING and ABLE to enforce laws and supress the violence and defend the constitutional rights of thier citizens. The issue ISN'T the state, but the Administration that requires a retooling of policy.
#2. I certainly agree the borders need to be secured. The issue is politicians are too damned worried about pissing off the "legal" hyphanated Americans who shelter, encourage, and AID the illegals coming acrossed the border, OR the special interest groups that pump money into thier campaign coffers, OR the libtard factions like the ACLU that seem to think the rights of the violators are more important than the offenses they committ, OR the sympathsizer, bleeding heart types that are willing and all too eager to embrace the offense as justification to just erase the concept of a border in the first place.
#3. I wholeheartedly agree there needs to be open and frank discussion, putting aside whatever party faithful notion and the too worried about stepping on stubbed toes to address it. But it does leave on to truly question the motives of those in charge, and why with the promises of transparent government do we see things like Fast and Furious, the suing of states that desire to aid and assist the federal government in THIER inability or unwillingness to enforce THIER own laws, mandated by the very constitution they seem to think applies to everyone else more than the citizens it was written, fought, and sacrificed for.
Now, I like the way you think.....
How about the heads of Latino politicians?
Posse Commitatus Act is in serious need of being amended or withdrawn. It has far outlived any usefulness it may have once had. At least along our Southern border anyway.
One less drug runner to worry about. That's what happens when you bring rocks to a gun fight.
Nice shot!
727:
Nice "shots."
Which 'shot' killed this mexican drug trash? I guess it does not matter.
set it up like deer hunts and you'll have texans down there in a heartbeat
Welcome to Survivor: US/Mexican Boarder! The Border Patrol has spoken, you have been voted off the Land of The US!
Congrats to the Agent who shot this guy!
Very nice shot !
Sad part is that the round from the Border Patrol Agent may not have been the final round, the 9 rounds from the corrupt police/drug guards down there were likely the final nail.
I can't help but wonder if it may be possible to put up a new fence with upgrades.....like electrocution. Not enough to kill them (as it's not just drug dealers who are crossing) but enough to knock them on their butts and think twice about trying it again.
Energy is already a huge issue in this country, plus people can go over electric fences with a $10 rug or under them with a shovel. But I do like the productive thinking instead of celebrating a death.
This is true. There really is no easy or clear way to fix the problem.
Yes, there is, ask for volunteers, line them up every 500 yards, shoot any one not coming across at a border crossing.
i can give them a few months a year.
Just fly 10 Drones up and down the border and use Hellfire Missles. The US has fished out exact terrorists targets and we should easliy get the drug lords and mexican mules. We don't even have to know their names.
That's why I say hey man, nice shot.
Nice shot man
Woody:
I think Arizona and NM already tried that, Fed gov't shut them down...if I recollect.
All should be shot on sight, if they are coming over here illegally they are invading our country. And all that are over here should be sent back even the ones that are here legally , if they cant speak english.
huntingpainter, nice out at the end but I guess you don't want to keep your lawn service.
Well, Woody, we will need a few Morgan horses, and M1A3 rifles, but it might be an enjoyable trip.
riverboy21 energy is not really an issue with electric fences. i have one around a section of my yard for my dogs. they like to tunnel under or jump over. to solve that i put an electric wire on the top and bottom. i use a solar charger to keep it electrified. no energy problems there.
Yeah true Eric, your yard is probably about as long as the U.S. - Mexico Border or maybe the border is only like 10 times longer? I bet building an electric fence that long and tall would set some sort of Guinness Record, and powering it 24/7 would probably just be a couple cents a day not to mention I bet the members of an international production and smuggling ring aren't smart enough to destroy the huge vulnerable solar panels powering a fence. We could probably just borrow some money from China to get it done and maybe even hire out of country workers to get it done faster and cheaper. You're really onto something here Eric.
China already built a great wall once. Should be a piece of cake for someone with experience. Sounds like a win-win situation.
Good shooting! They (the Mexicans) would always do the same for us -- and have tried on numerous occasions!
This one is for Mr. Hartley. We need to raise this number to 1,000 per day.
In case all of you aren't aware, a young individual was killed. He may not have been Mother Theresa, but I think celebrating his death is a little much. Maybe one of the Cartels took a family member and was forcing him to be a mule? Cases of that are extremely common and well documented. Just count another death towards Cartel violence instead of acting like some barbaric sectarian extremists celebrating the death of an outsider like we see happening to our citizens in other countries.
Stick it we have no patience left, shoot all of them,
Many seem to be misinterpreting my above post. I think the absence of the following statements should be enough to realize they are not the point I am trying to make, but some people see things where they don't exist. So, regarding the above post, let me reiterate:
1) I never said that the Border Patrol Agent shouldn't have shot him.
2) I never said that he didn't deserve to be shot.
3) I never said anything about voting without an ID.
4) I never said you should feel sorry for him.
I am simply stating that we as American citizens should adhere to our code of honor and duty, like the Agent did as he was defending our borders and his safety. We aren't barbarians and should be above celebrating a kill in the line of duty like our enemies do to us. We all have a responcibility to show the world our honor by our conduct.
Riverboy21,Yes he was young and maybe the cartel was holding his relative but that does not excuse carting drugs into this country and then throwing rocks at our agents.He could have put his hands in the air and talked to the border patrol guys and avoided his demise.If both countries actually had a solid border this would not be happening in the first place.I am sorry that people who are desperate are losing their lives over drugs,yet I am disgusted at the amount of drug addicts we have in the U.S.
That's why I say hey man nice shot
Nice shot man
Riverboy, we are not as civilized as you think. Look at all the shootings and killings everyday in this country. America is lieing to itself if it thinks we are civilized human beings. We need to actually look at the country without rose colored glasses.
riverboy - "Maybe one of the Cartels took a family member and was forcing him to be a mule?"
Really? A cartel is going to kidnap someone, then deliver drugs to their relative, then tell them to walk the drugs across the border and drop them? Doesn't that sound like the best way possible to loose your shipment of drugs? pressuring an amature with presumedly no experience to make a drug drop in the middle of the desert?
Cartels kidnap for ransom money not errand boys.
" Cases of that are extremely common and well documented."
Yet you couldn't find one to cite?
Nice attempt at playing devils advocate, but common sense prevails over your imaginary statements.
I'll bet that most of those posting here who wish ill on the Mexicans are those bottom feeding, cornfed, inbred rednecks we always hear about in the news. Its okay redneck, we understand you have, and more than likely, will never amount to anything useful in life. So, your spite truly is the only avenue you have to make you feel better than someone else in this world.
Laughable. Comedic. Classic nazi mentality.
@LetMeGuess - Why do you assume people on this post are "rednecks" or having "classic nazi mentality"? People are angry with the violence that has spilled over the border into the US. That does not make them rednecks or nazis. Get over your own misguided social discriminations.
@riverboy21
I hear what you are saying here and I agree. To take a life when it is necessary and the right thing to do is one thing. But to celebrate it and be joyous when it happens is another. To do so makes you no better than the person(s) who needed to be put down. I think that whoever is thrilled and celebratory when someone is put down is in every way as unstable as the monster that was killed. This applies in every case whether it is this one or in the cases of murderers, rapists, child abusers, and child molesters. There is no argument from me that these abominations need to be put away, not because I hate them, but because it is the only sure way to guarantee that they never hurt another person again. Furthermore, I think that wishing any kind of torture or visitation upon themselves of the same deeds that they have brought onto others is wrong as well. Just kill them quick and be done with it. I agree that it is necessary to end them, I just don't think that we need to drop ourselves down to the levels of those who have committed these heinous acts.
We are seeing too many illegals entering this country and the 'President' is coddling them! I live in Maryland near the PA border, and you'd be susprised at how many Mexican people that are construction workers, farm workers, landscapers. Some come into where I work, and can't speak a lick of english. I'm not being racist or saying that they are all illegal, but probably a few may be. In a time where jobs are hard for the American people to get, the illegals sneak across the boarders, get jobs & get paid under the table, and send the money back across the border..
GeddyLee, part of the problem is capitalism, plain and simple. People hire Mexicans and other illegals because they know that it is cheaper labor. If people were not hiring them or checking their legal status before hiring them then we might have a better argument. People will do what is in their best interest and if a crew of illegals are willing to do the construction cheaper than the legals, guess who gets hired? People need to realize that in order to solve the problem, EVERYONE needs to take responsibility. Sure there are laws in place to keep illegals from being hired but there are also laws that state all businesses have to pay taxes and not all do. Capitalism is to blame, everyone does what is in their own best interest, legal or illegal be damned.
letme guess:
i am college educated and a vietnam era veteran. and I am sick of illegals, and THEIR suckup sympathizers in MY country.
if you like mexicans so much GO LIVE THERE !
Gun control is a good thing.
The BEST gun control is hitting what you aim at.
Wonder if Eric Holder and Barry already have the apology drawn up? Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again. No worry about an anchor baby from this scum
Do you mean like GWB and his attorney general Gonzales when the pushed to prosecute and jail two US border agents for shooting and wounding a know drug smuggler crossing the border into Texas? Those two agents are still in jail in Texas. The smuggler is still free.
And maybe you just cannot wait to have Romney "advise illegals to self-deport". Just don't hold your breath on anyone volunteering to self-deport. In Massachusetts illegals were coming out of the woodwork when Romney was governor. Ah but now he's changed and talking he's tough-before the election lol
frank - He means like Obama has apologized to everyone who hates America. Remember when Mexico president Calderon visited Obama and gave a speech insulting Americans while Obama and the Democrats sat there smiling and applauding him? Sickening.
illegals are not the only ones willing to do lawn service, make lunch and many other jobs.
point in case my cousin owns a land scapping business. lately she has been dealing with these land scapping corporations that higher illegals then ship them up to new england to work. they have been undercutting her due to the cheap labor ( they can charge it by not having to pay any of the taxes and only paying their workers 3 dollars an hour). since this has happened she has had to lay off 10 of her workers. she pays a good wage as well over 15 dollars an hour for her employees. so tell me how is this helping our economy.
if you think this will get better with romney your dreaming. he is a corporate puppet. he will not make any changes for the better that would ultimatly hurt his superpac supporters. romney also has mexican landscapping at his place on winnie. ive seen them while fishing by it.
ron paul 2012 write him in people.
on another note rocks can kill, so dont be surprised if your shot when you throw one at a gun carrier.
Deported. Permanently.
Can't feel too sorry for drug smuggler - first he brings load of drugs across the border, retreats and throws ROCKS?
So they say.....ten rounds in the back says a little more.
nice grouping
Wow, did we feel that way about alcohol smugglers who were bringing in contraband from Canada. Sure was violent back in those Al Capone prohibition days, but it was only harmless alcohol. At least no hypocrisy in the Jan Brewer tale
Stick it handouter
Seeing as that was about 80 years ago how about telling us how YOU felt about it back then.
I wasn't around then so I won't presume to know how people felt.
You know how many alcoholics we have in this Country? Biden is supposedly a recovering alcoholic, though the way he conducted himself tonight you have to wonder. Either he suffers from wet brain or he's off the wagon. I think it's wet brain.
@freedomman-740449
You fail, I don't think you remember the shootouts between law enforcement and the smugglers back in those days too. No Hypocrisy, just different era.
a man was killed no a POS was killed a real MAN would not be doing that crap !
Yes riverboy21 an individual was killed. These drug smugglers seem to think they can just cross the border and do whatever they want in our country and face no consequences for their crimes, guess this is one less criminal to clog up our prisons. When one decides to run from law enforcement then try to harm them, then one faces the possibility of getting shot, guess this guy should have thought of that before getting involved in a criminal act. I think Americans along the border have had about enough of these drug wars and our agents putting their lives on the line and you are going to see alot more comments like these. It is hard to feel sorry for someone killed in the commission of a felony.
I never said feel sorry for him, but don't celebrate it like what happens when let's say, our citizens are killed by a terrorist group. We are far better and more civilized than those extremist organizations and it is our duty and honor as Americans to show that to the rest of the world.
If an American citizen is transporting drugs and gets killed by the foreign country, they deserved it.
At no point did I say he didn't deserve it. My entire point was stop celebrating a death like the people we are fighting against do, we are better than them. If you can't understand that when you read it, you may need to go restart reading comprehension classes from the beginning.
Why, we are tired of them, and the patience with the people like you, is running out, rapidly.
If you are still in school I suggest you take an anthropology and / or biology course. Here's the deal. You are either predator or prey, depending on genetics and conditioning.
yep predator or prey............and being prey sucks....
and one more thing, when this (poor) mexican picked up a rock/s and threw them , that is assault, and all bets are off. a good sized well thrown rock can maim and kill and besides is that not how we were killing each other with before guns and knives were invented? and if i had been the BP agent and he threw a rock/s at me i would have shot his worthless ass too. yep, score one for the bP !
He was't only killed, he was shot new fewer than 10 times, after throwing rocks at one of your Border Patrol.
But I understand your point perfectly, because maybe he was the son of the ring leader, or maybe he had killed innocent people previously, or maybe he was saving his bullets for a rainy day and that's why he was throwing rocks, or maybe he was trying to get money to feed his starving family, or maybe this was his first load drop and he was never going to do it again, or maybe he was trying to earn enough money to by a new bicycle, or maybe he was stoned on the shyt he was leaving for our kids and didn't realize he was throwing rocks at our Border Patrol, or maybe he was trying to scare the Border Patrol away so he could sneek his family over and vote for Obama... you know, liberals are eager to kill the I.D. requirement for voting...... or maybe we should all hold hands and sing Kumbiya and roast marshmellows and drink mountain dew.
You need to get off your high horse, stop being a self-righteous fool, and go get a job so I don't have to support you anymore.
Where did I say the border patrol agent shouldn't have shot him or that he didn't deserve to get shot? Obviously you don't understand my point perfectly because you are off ranting about something I didn't even post about. I just brought up a simple fact about what is behind a large portion of mules motivation and asked that we stop celebrating a death like were some terrorist organization, we are better than them, and need to show that to the rest of the world with our conduct.
Also in case you didn't know, there is no ID Requirement for voting so how are liberals trying to kill a requirement that doesn't exist? Research it, it's been put forward shot down. Republicans sit outside centers with misleading booths saying "bring your ID to vote." Some are even facing criminal charges for doing so.
You need ID to regester to vote, but not to vote, mmmm
You need ID to drive to the polls.
You need ID to open a bank account.
You need ID to get a Library Card.
mmmmmm
Oh forgot to add, I have a government job. I'm supporting YOU.
You are a government worker; therefore, a parasite on the American taxpayer.
Sure, so government workers that are struggling through deminishing wages and benefits that work so hard to keep your cities, streets, and homes clean, are parasites? I'd like to see how well you do without them, I'm not some politician up on my high horse making money for doing nothing. I work hard for the city I was born in because I love it here and have a sense of pride.
Smugglers throw rocks at the BP because two conditions exist: their bosses tell them if they lose the drug load he'll have their skin (literally), and sometimes it works. These guys were throwing rocks because they were trying to get their shipment back and save their own lives.
Every avoidable death is a tragedy, but the responsibility for this death lies inside Mexico.
River Boy no handouter you aren't supporting us, you are living off of us.
+1...."I'm from the government. I'm here to help."
Hello to the stupid people saying government workers are parasites. They pay taxes just like you, I know I was in the census as a personnel manager. STFU.
Now, I want to ask all of you a quick question, how do you know that the people saying he was shot 10 times know that for a fact. Some one said it? Ever hear of Cartels using scare tactics to make people say what they way. One less BP agent on the lines, makes a hole, a hole they can use. Ever hear of how the government down there takes money from every source to make their life better, the cartels pay them well to not interfear with their business. If the Cartel wants to make trouble all they have to do is have some one lie about the number of bullets.
What type gun did the BP agent have, I did not see it in the article. Want to find that out before even thinking about who is to blame. How many normal pistols can you list that have that many bullets in them.
Hey Duphas,your a moron,if he was being forced into drug smuggling because his family may be at jepordy with the cartel and was just doing it as a mule,then why the F was he throwing rocks at the border patrol.In my opinion,if your throwing rocks,thats considered a weapon and are then subject to being shot.Regardless where the line is in the sand.
No riverboy, you are making your living off of us, you are not supporting us, but your comments are now fully explained.
most standard law enforcement weapons are 40 calibre with 8 in the clip one in the pipe. so the 10 shot statements is not likely very true. most likely he was double tapped, or triple tapped, that is how we are trained to shoot. you practice it over and over to shoot that way so it becomes instinctive.
See. Not all news is bad news!!
Earthycat, you fail, he let the mexican president slam the hell out of america, and I seriously doubt that Obama took that shot last night.
Nice shooting, guys!
The border control agent could have shown a little
constraint but with that said the world is probably better off without the
gentleman that was shot and killed. I don’t know about anybody else but if you
are dumb enough to throw rocks at a man with a gun you probably deserve to get
shot. Then again he probably thought because he was on the Mexican side of the
border he could stone our agents to death and they wouldn’t be able to do
anything about it.WRONG
how classy, shooting an unarmed person. People who get boners over someones death make me sick
Someone hurling rocks at you in the dark is "unarmed"?
People who stick up for brain dead criminals who care about nobody make everyone sick.
It is more classy than throwing rocks.
He wasn't unarmed, I'm fairly sure he had 2
This deadbeat drugrunner must have missed the obama/holder gun sale thank goodness or we could have had ANOTHER one of our treasures MURDERED doing their JOB!!!!!
Enough is enough!!! BANG! You're dead!!!
"Hay Jose!" will you come in here and wipe my A$$? "No!!!!" How many time have I told you not to throw rocks at those guys!
Hey Dame, can I go to your trailer so you and your daughter can blow me? what?...only for meth? c´mon but I have american dollars!
The border patrol pulls over a well-dressed Woman In a Cadillac, at a check point along the border. They notice a pistol on the seat beside her, they ask if she has any other weapons in the car. She says yes I do, they ask do you mind if we have a look, she says no. She gets out and opens the trunk, there she has two shotguns, two pistols and a deer rifle. The officer ask do these belong to you, she says yes there all mine and smiles. The border patrol agent says wow!, you must be scared of something, he ask what are you afraid of. She says, NOT A G. D. THING! He says, have a nice day and sends her on her way.
Don't you just love Texas.
No, I don't love Texas; just a bunch of big mouth know it all's come from Texas.
And also, Bush came from Texas, another reason to dislike Texas!
Some of the republicans on here have been saying that Obama doesn't allow Border Patrol agents to have live ammo. Looks like they're wrong, again.
And some Democrats have been saying Obama hasn't been a total disaster for America, whats your point?
TTerry, no, people were complaining about embassy guards not having locked and loaded weapons, not BP, get a story right before you bemoan the failures of the pretender in chief
Looks like he brought a rock to a gun fight
Disarm these freaks and send them back to their Walmart greeters jobs!
I wouldn’t disarm them as a matter of fact I think we should
get them some Abrams a1 tanks and a few more attack helicopters.
Why so you can see them when you go spend your food stamps B Hatfield?
I am not sure he can spend it walmart They dont have a lot of those back in Holler wher B Hatfiled lives. He probbley trades it for oxycodone any way.