'Spy of the West': Al-Qaida, Taliban struggle to justify attack on Pakistani teen

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Pakistani students in Lahore, Pakistan hold photographs of child activist Malala Yousufzai during a protest on Tuesday against her attack by the Taliban.

Updated at 5:40 a.m. ET: The Taliban, al-Qaida and conservative groups in Pakistan have launched an unprecedented effort to justify the attack on teenager Malala Yousufzai and to calm the reaction against her shooting.

Yousufzai, 14, and two other girls were shot Oct. 9 after they left school. The teen, who was shot in the head and neck, on Monday was flown to Britain to receive specialist treatment, where doctors said she has every chance of making a "good recovery."

The attack drew widespread protest, with tens of thousands rallying in Karachi, Pakistan’s largest city, on Sunday.

Malala, 14-year-old Pakistani girl shot by Taliban, can recover, UK doctors say


 

 

On Tuesday, al-Qaida's propaganda arm al-Sahab, issued a three-page communique in Pakistan's tribal areas, laying out a justification for the shooting. It is rare for al-Qaida to feel the need to explain an attack, suggesting that the group feels pressured by the strong backlash against Yousufzai's shooting."The girl was part of an agenda perpetrated by the (British Broadcasting Corporation) to run an organized campaign against jihad, Islamic Sharia and purdha or veil," a previously unknown commander, Ustad Ahmad Farooq said in a statement in Pashto.  "Now when she was shot, from Pakistan to the United States, everyone is crying about it." 

Thousands rally in Karachi for Malala, 14-year-old Pakistani girl shot by Taliban

Yousufzai came to public notice for writing a blog supporting the schooling for girls and women for the BBC.  Jihad refers to a religious struggle, which a minority of Muslims interpret as an armed fight against the enemies of Islam.  

The statement, which asked why NGOs and others decried Malala's shooting but ignored abuses and killings by the American and Pakistani governments, came on the same day that Taliban insurgents said Yousufzai deserved to die because she had spoken out against the group and praised President Barack Obama.

Taliban justified the attack by describing Yousufzai as a "spy of the West." The Taliban denied that they targeted the teen for advocating education for girls and said that they would again try to kill her if she survived last week's attack.

"For this espionage, infidels gave her awards and rewards. And Islam orders killing of those who are spying for enemies," the group said in a statement.

"We did not attack her for raising voice for education. We targeted her for opposing mujahedeen and their war. Shariah (Islamic law) says that even a child can be killed if he is propagating against Islam."

Over the weekend, conservative Pakistani politician Maulana Fazlur Rehman, who originally spoke out against the demonstrators, softened his stance, saying that he condemned the attack on "our daughter."  

As doctors debated whether to send Malala Yousafzai abroad for care, thousands rallied in her name, including hundreds of schoolgirls who gathered in Afghanistan. NBC's Amna Nawaz reports.

However, he suggested that other leaders were trying to gain "political mileage" with this issue, according to an article in Pakistan's Dawn newspaper.

$1 million bounty
On Tuesday, Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik visited Kainat Riaz, one of the girls injured during the attack on Yousufzai, according to Eurovision News Exchanges. 

Shazia, another schoolgirl, also was shot but survived. Malik announced a $1 million bounty for Pakistani Taliban spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan and offered a pardon to the organization's leader, Hakimullah Mehsud, if he renounced terrorism.

"I want to tell Hakimullah Mehsud and his comrades: 'Renounce terrorism,'" Malik said, according to Eurovision. "I will announce an all-out pardon to you on behalf of the government. If you decide to renounce terrorism, no matter in which part of Pakistan or FATA [federally administered tribal areas], I will come to you all alone. Stand with me and renounce terrorism. Ask forgiveness of the nation. Ask forgiveness from Allah. Maybe the nation will forgive you. And Allah will forgive you," Malik said.

Yousufzai began standing up to the Pakistani Taliban when she was 11, when the Islamabad government had effectively ceded control of the Swat Valley, where she lives, to the militants.

The attack was the culmination of years of campaigning that had pitted the girl against one of Pakistan's most ruthless Taliban commanders, Maulana Fazlullah.

Tight security for teen
Overnight on Monday, two people wanting to visit the teen in the Birmingham hospital where she is receiving treatment were turned away, the hospital and police said.

"They were stopped in a public area of the hospital and questioned by police, who recorded their details and advised the pair that they would not be allowed to see her," West Midlands Police said in a statement, describing them as "well-wishers."

Authorities are highly sensitive about Yousufzai's security given the Taliban's recent threats.

The special hospital unit where she is receiving care has treated hundreds of soldiers wounded in Afghanistan.

NBC News producers and Reuters contributed to this report.

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Fourteen-year-old Malala Yousufzai was shot by the Taliban on Tuesday for speaking out against the militants and promoting education for girls. Doctors reported Saturday Yousufzai moved her hands and feet.

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They should hunt down every member of al-qaida and the Taliban and not show any mercy. They're scumbag killers period.

  • 173 votes
#1 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:45 PM EDT
msnviewerDeleted

I have to say, reading this has not exonerated the Taliban in any way shape or form in my opinion.

Unfortunately, it seems the method of birth control practiced by this particular branch of the Muslim type religions does not render even the life of its children something to protect and savor. To this branch of the Muslim type religion may not even consider this girl a child for her age. I don't know enough, however, but, to these people, it seems to me, life, even of another human, means nothing.

While this viewpoint is reflected in the West, at least it is reflected in money, and, savings accounts, and, retirement accounts, and, the lack of living wages rather than the bloodied neck and throat of a teenage girl.

I thank my version of god, I was born in the USA.

  • 29 votes
#1.3 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:17 PM EDT

It is amazing the extent to which the Taliban will go to try and justify this reprehensible act. Now they are trying to spin things that this little girl was some kind of spy. What a crock. She spoke out against the Taliban and other extremists like them and for that reason they think she deserves to die. This further demonstrates just how extreme these lunatics are. Hopefully this has woken up the Pakistani people and will help to turn the general populace against these animals. Then maybe the country can move out of the seventh century into the modern world.

  • 116 votes
#1.4 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:18 PM EDT

These kids you see on the pic will have no choice but to rise up and fight these Taliban vermin themselves someday - that is - if they want to advance and prosper, because they WON'T be able to rely on the good Ole USA to do it for them. Not anymore. The desire to change their society HAS to come from WITHIN.

  • 84 votes
#1.5 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:19 PM EDT

How can Pakistanis not see how evil these people are? How can they not support the war against them, if only to save their own country?

  • 70 votes
#1.6 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:24 PM EDT
Comment author avatarDB AkronExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

msn viewer

Nice paid for by the Democratic National Committee at the bottom. Richard Nixon must be your hero!

  • 4 votes
#1.7 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:24 PM EDT

Dear taliban - How do you justify being murderous savages. When the world is your enemy why justify anything you. Everyone in the world knows what you are. You just keep on proving it.

  • 44 votes
#1.8 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:25 PM EDT
Comment author avatarElektroFreakExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

QUOTE: "The Taliban, al-Qaida and conservative groups in Pakistan have launched an unprecedented effort to justify the attack on teenager Malala Yousufzai and to calm the reaction against her shooting."

You know, Al Qaida has always been labeled as "conservative", as have most Islamic extremists. You really have just GOTTA love conservatives.. they are a force for good throughout the world aren't they? lol..

  • 43 votes
#1.9 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:26 PM EDT

Al-Qaida and the Taliban are COWARDS!

That young lady has more courage than all your members combined. Times 10.

Right now, I'd be willing to bet that YOUR God is shaking his head at you, and ashamed for creating such a pathetic form of life as yourselves. And at the same time he is cradling this young woman in his healing hands while the rest of the world shows and grows their support for her.

Like you always say. GOD IS GREAT! And right now he is showing it for his love and caring for this brave young woman.

Hey scumbags, looks like this 1 young woman has outdone all your last 2000 years of trying to suppress the voices of women in your part of the world.

I have a feeling this is only the start.

  • 90 votes
#1.10 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:30 PM EDT
Comment author avatarblueinnmExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Conservative religious idiots struggling for a justification of an inhuman position.....sounds very familiar.

  • 51 votes
#1.11 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:31 PM EDT
Comment author avatarRaykoExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

elektrofreak

You're an idiot.

  • 20 votes
#1.12 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:32 PM EDT

DB Akron

msn viewer

Nice paid for by the Democratic National Committee at the bottom. Richard Nixon must be your hero!

Richard Nixon was a Republican--not a Democrat. Just FYI.

  • 36 votes
#1.13 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:33 PM EDT
Comment author avatarElektroFreakExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Hey Ray, I know that as a conservative you're likely butt-hurt over my comment, but conservative is a word with a concrete definition. If a person or group is conservative, that definition applies, regardless of whether they are in an Arabian desert or an American bingo hall. Conservativism is what it is. You don't like being associated with other conservatives around the world? Well, only you can become "un-conservative".. lol.

  • 32 votes
#1.14 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:36 PM EDT
Comment author avatargtouchExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

You know, Al Qaida has always been labeled as "conservative", as have most Islamic extremists. You really have just GOTTA love conservatives.. they are a force for good throughout the world aren't they

I guess liberal or left wing terrorist are just in the US. lol

The Wiki Pages for
Domestic Terrorism Needs to be updated badly...I am compiling a list of
Left Wing Terrorists attacks in the US, please update if i have missed
any.

Leo Burt- Bombed Colleges, Part of Left Wing Terrorist Group 'New Years Eve Gang'.

Jeff Jones - Bombed Pentagon, Killed Police, Current CEO of Appolo Alliance, An eco group funded by Obama

Berandine Dorn - Bombed Petnagon, Killed Police, Obamas friend, baby sat Obamas Kids.

Bill Ayers - Bombed Pentagon, Killed Police, Obamas Best Friend, Wrote Obamas Book.

Amy Bishop- college professor obsessed with Obama, shot 6 people.

Jared Loughter - killed 6 year old girl and shot gabby giffords

James holmes - Batman shooter

John Patrick Bedell -petnagon shooter

Floyd Lee Corkins - Chick Fil A Shooter

David Guy McKay - Plotted to bomb the Pentagon, caught first

Bradley Neil Crowder - Plotted to bomb the Pentagon, caught first

Antonio Martinez - Bombed a Recruiting Station

Una Bomber - Another left wing college professor psychopath

James W. Von Brunn - Holocaust Museum Shooter

Andrew Joseph Stack III - Bush Hating Leftist Who Flew His airplane into IRS building 9/11 style

Ryan Komosinski - Occupy Wall Street, Caught in BOmb Plot.

Brandon Baxter -Occupy Wall Street Protester Caught Planning to Blow Up Bridges

Douglas Wright - Occupy Wall Street Protester Caught Planning to Blow Up Bridges

Anthony Hayne -Occupy Wall Street Protester Caught Planning to Blow Up Bridges

Connor C. Stevens- Occupy Wall Street Protester Caught Planning to Blow Up Bridges

Joshua S. Stafford -Occupy Wall Street Protester Caught Planning to Blow Up Bridges

  • 25 votes
#1.15 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:37 PM EDT
Comment author avatarElektroFreakExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

I didn't say anything about terrorism, only conservativism. Nice try though.. Maybe next time a point with substance might help.

  • 27 votes
#1.16 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:39 PM EDT

Their justification for the attempt on this little girls life was because she was a spy? A fourteen year old deadly assassin to boot too I suppose? Just like these Jihads, what a joke. They are no more than cowards who will shoot you in the back murderers that will take cover under their own wife or mothers skirt when confronted face to face. They are a disgrace to the human race.

  • 45 votes
#1.17 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:43 PM EDT
Comment author avatarDan-1018744Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

you stupid fuc!, this isn't about left or right, it is about a little girl that had the guts to stand up. Extremism is on both sides, I know in your tiny little mind this is hard to understand but their are things much bigger than our election to a lot of people out there. Adults can agree to disagree, I hope we find that again in this country.

  • 22 votes
#1.18 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:45 PM EDT

Moderate Muslims, please take heed of the costly lesson given to you by one brave 14 year old girl. Renounce the militants and extremists who hold you under their thumb and take control of your own lives.

  • 68 votes
#1.19 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:45 PM EDT
Comment author avatarKornfedExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

The Taliban, al-Qaida and conservative groups in Pakistan have launched an unprecedented effort to justify the attack on teenager Malala Yousufzai and to calm the reaction against her shooting.

OMG! The Pakistani conservatives hate women too!!!

  • 35 votes
#1.20 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:46 PM EDT
Comment author avatarElektroFreakExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

@Dan: If you say so. I see pretty much zero difference between a Taliban conservative and a Republican conservative. Both base their entire philosophy on intolerance.

  • 41 votes
#1.21 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:46 PM EDT
Comment author avatarElektroFreakExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

@gtouch: That wouldn't happen to be a "conservap@dia" quote would it? If so, your utization of data from such a horrendously awful source takes any tiny piece of credibility your statement might have had and nukes it beyond recognition.

  • 15 votes
#1.22 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:50 PM EDT
Comment author avatarKornfedExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

I wonder if Pakistani conservatives hate clean air, water, old people, babies, plants, sea life, and big bird too?

  • 47 votes
#1.23 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:53 PM EDT

This should be good reading when NBC gets it translated. How do you justify shooting a 14 year old girl? It's called "rationalization". You can rationalize just about any kind of behavior, but there is really no excuse for it.

  • 17 votes
#1.24 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:07 PM EDT
Comment author avatarjnap-1622552Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Touch, you are an ignorant piece of excrement.

  • 5 votes
#1.25 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:09 PM EDT
Comment author avatargtouchExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Actually Electro I didn't take much time or effort I just posted and pasted as it was simply to make your original statement look pathetic.......which it accomplished. I cannot believe you are taking so much time with this whole right wing/left wing or conservative/liberal thing. The article was about a 14 year old girl shot by the Taliban etc. Glad that my showing the weakness in your original post (which you changed) has really upset you. Now that it's out of your system maybe you can concentrate on the real story here. Relax it's a beautiful day.

  • 15 votes
#1.26 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:10 PM EDT

jnap better you calling me that than "friend" as that would really be an insult.

  • 6 votes
#1.27 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:12 PM EDT
Comment author avatarrednawt3Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

One point in this article being missed. President Obama is NOT Islamic or Muslim. I guess it is time for the right wing obstructionists to come up with a new lie and let this one go.

  • 15 votes
#1.28 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:13 PM EDT

Justifying the attempted murder of a young girl in the name of religion! Nothing could be more vile and despicable! Hopefully this will open the eyes of those who have allowed this to go on for so long in their own back yards and they will do something to eradicate these radical Islamist parasite's!

  • 32 votes
#1.29 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:15 PM EDT
Comment author avatarElektroFreakExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

gtouch: To me, conservative values are anti-American, regardless of whether the conservatives in question are in an Arabian desert or an American bingo hall. So you see why I put this much time into this? In my eyes it's the patriotic thing to do.

  • 19 votes
#1.30 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:15 PM EDT

Electrofreak: This story is about a 14 year old girl not you. Push away from the keyboard, put your crack pipe down ,step out of the trailer get some fresh air and chill.

  • 15 votes
#1.31 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:17 PM EDT
Comment author avatarElektroFreakExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

@WCF: This article is about the violent response of Pakistani conservative groups to the efforts of a 14 year old freedom-seeking child, which have been followed up by the same Pakistani conservative groups' efforts to halt the inevitable and understandable outcry from the rest of the world's SANE population.. Every one of my posts is fully relevant to the topic that the article is about.

  • 15 votes
#1.32 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:21 PM EDT

World gives girl awards and praise for standing up for what's right against the violent dangerous terrorist Taliban...... violent dangerous terrorist Taliban acts according to their nature. World is stunned by depravity of said group that they gave a girl award for tempting fate by speaking out against. Face meet palm.

FYI I think the girl had every right to say what she said and I'm not excusing the Taliban for their actions, but you know this wasn't exactly an unexpected outcome.

I hope all three of them make a full recovery and the government of Pakistan does something so that they can grow up in a world where this dosen't happen. But I'm not holding my breath either.

  • 8 votes
#1.33 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:23 PM EDT
Comment author avatarMorgs74Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

ElektroFreak - Is putting a ban on smoking in your condo or town house American? Ask liberal California.

  • 6 votes
#1.34 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:25 PM EDT

Never said liberals are perfect.. but this article ISN'T about liberals.

  • 12 votes
#1.35 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:27 PM EDT
Comment author avatarOl_DocExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Kornfed

I wonder if Pakistani conservatives hate clean air, water, old people, babies, plants, sea life, and big bird too?

Yes...they have a fatwa out on big bird. Oh, wait...that's the American Taliban that have the fatwa on Big Bird...my mistake.

  • 17 votes
#1.36 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:31 PM EDT

This group are a bunch of thugs and idiots, do they REALLY think God will reward them for the evil things they have done?? Do they think ANYONE with an IQ above a rock admires them? Are they so stupid they think ANYONE will buy into their lame excuses? They are armed thieves, rapists and murderers, who are in for a large shock when they go to meet their maker!!

  • 19 votes
#1.37 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:31 PM EDT

The Taliban's war against women, especially those who speak their mind in opposition, shows the world just what they are .... animals ... incapable of joining civilization... they can NEVER be allowed to rule! The Taliban are the only living thing for which there is NO best and highest use!

The women of Pakistan should refuse to marry until Shariah Law is banned .... if they could join together an do this, change would happen in a hurry!!

  • 17 votes
#1.38 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:37 PM EDT

Pakistani Government talks from the dog's mouth and Taliban talks from the dog's rear end.

Rimsha Masih age 14 is a Pakistani girl with Down Syndrome was arrested by police in August and could face the death penalty for blasphemy. She had to flee to an undisclosed location to save her life.

See the similarity to Malala's plight? Also interesting is the citizens of Pakistan would have shot Rimsha in the head if given the chance.

  • 14 votes
#1.39 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:37 PM EDT

Sorry E..Freak you lose. Your arguments have no logic and you think you are smart, but you are just another limp liberal expecting the world owes you something.

    #1.40 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:48 PM EDT

    This time the people of that country have to make up their minds to join the civilized world. We can't do it for them. They have to stand up for once and get out of the dark ages.

    • 12 votes
    #1.41 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:57 PM EDT

    "To me, conservative values are anti-American"

    And that's part of the problem right there. Both philosophies have value, both conservative and liberal, but they're both destructive when taken to extremes.

    Americans can no longer see both sides of an issue. They choose a team (conservative or liberal, R or D) and root for their side. There's no attempt to understand the issue at hand, just jump on whatever bandwagon your side is promoting and everyone else is stupid.

    Conservatives traditionally support self-sufficiency, hard work, strong families, and respect. Liberals want a clean environment, high wages, civil rights for all, and freedom of expression. But it's not like each group is either/or. There is a high degree of overlap, but you wouldn't know it to read these posts. "The other side is evil and will destroy America."

    Bull@!$%#. Extremism and hatred are evil and destroy everyone.

    • 33 votes
    #1.42 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:57 PM EDT

    My stance on religion is the same, no matter which religion, but these extreme Muslims take it to different level, at least, in this point in time in History. For all religions have had their time in history in which they murdered, jailed, maimed and subjugated peoples to their 'righteous' ways. I say righteous in quotes for we all know this is just a bunch of bull.

    Anyway, shooting a young girl has no justification in anyone's books, unless you're halfway between retarded and almost all the way on the side of stupid beyond belief. These religious freaks will get their day in the court of Nature, for mother nature has her way of clearing the playing field of unwanted clutter. This goes for all religious nuts, from all denominations, and from all countries. Eventually, your day will come, and in the end, all for naught for those crackpot ideas you based your meaningless life upon, are nothing but fairy tales.

    Hopefully Humanity evolves beyond the need to believe in a being greater than themselves, meaning an almighty God. For, the only thing that's greater than us all is Mother Nature, and under her terms, your religious ideologies hold no water.

    • 7 votes
    #1.43 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:59 PM EDT

    Anyone who thinks this young girls ideas are a valid reason for violence against her is a coward.

    • 18 votes
    #1.44 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:07 PM EDT

    LetMeGuess,

    "These religious freaks will get their day in the court of Nature, for mother nature has her way of clearing the playing field of unwanted clutter."

    Why do you personify nature by calling it "mother nature"? Nature is not a person and could not care less about what becomes of anyone. It does not have the ability to care. Caring is a human characteristic. It sounds to me like you have made a goddess of nature. That's called pantheism, and yet you claim to despise religion. How odd! You have a religion of your own.

    • 5 votes
    #1.45 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:14 PM EDT
    Comment author avatarldoExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Anyone speaking out in the Al-Qaida or Taliban community saying the attack on this young lady was unjustified will immediately be "stoned to death" since Sharia Law rules.

    These TERRORISTS are nothing more than that.....just plain and simple......TERRORISTS.

    And just to think folks.....there are JUDGES in the U.S. who have allowed Sharia Law to be considered during COURT CASES.

    • 8 votes
    #1.46 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:15 PM EDT
    Comment author avatarbs-3251549Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    i couldn't wait for the comments about al-quaida meaning "the base" our boys and what we help create during the afghan/russia war....anyone remember "operation cyclone" the cia based operation channeling funds through pakitstan to the mujahideen....hahaha o' how the american folks run amuk without thinking, typical american behavior. HEY AMERICA....YOU CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS... one minute they are the boogie man, only when the usa cant invade, steal their commodities and the next minute they are our friend. stop it......and wake up. put aside your oats and revolt!

    • 2 votes
    #1.47 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:27 PM EDT

    If these terrorists really DO represent their religion, they it is they who are insulting their religion.

    • If their God blesses such cruelty and barbarism then we should shun them and their false religion.
    • A real God would never condone such an act!
    • A real God would not need terrorists to enforce his will.

    When the Taliban and their associated psychopaths attack civilians with road side bombs, suicide bombers and other forms of assassination, they prove that they, and their religion, must be destroyed from the face of the Earth and all memory of them be buried and forgotten for all eternity.

    A REAL GOD would not need thugs shooting little girls.

    • 14 votes
    #1.48 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:29 PM EDT
    Comment author avatarbs-3251549Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    ....by the way, the usa is the biggest terrorist of them all via israel, who are our real enemy. so feed your frenzy and banter back and forth about the boogie man and pick sides between the two thug parties vying for control to please their base.

    • 2 votes
    #1.49 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:35 PM EDT

    Oh, I think they effed up this time! This is how it starts -- from within. We can bomb them back to the dark ages, but unless the people themselves rise up, our efforts will do nothing but unite them.

    I think we're finally beginning to see a crack in their armor!

    • 16 votes
    #1.50 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:43 PM EDT

    What kind of country is Pakistan? Every terrorist group that resides in that country is TRYING to justify the attempted murder of a 14 year old girl.

    These groups seem to operate with total freedom within the borders of Pakistan; they receive government and financial support and they have spokes people. They appear to be organized like political parties and corporations that operate without the constraints of civilized behavior or law.

    What kind of country allows criminal organizations like these to operate with impunity within its borders????? Unless the government and people of Pakistan rise up and destroy this home grown plague soon the terrorists WILL eventually take over their country.....

    • 6 votes
    #1.51 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:05 PM EDT

    Yes, bs3251549 -

    I knew it was only a matter of time before you brought Israel into it.

    Shooting a 14 year old girl is really BAD of those nasty terrorists - BUT

    It's ok if they bomb a restaurant, or disco; it's ok if they send a guided missile into a school bus. It's probably even ok with you to machine gun an entire kindergarten (Ma'alot);

    it's ALL ok, so long as the target is ISRAEL. (you know....Israel ? Where girls are allowed to go to school; to be in government positions ? You know...ISRAEL ? where the entire death toll of Palestinians over the entire 14 years of the intifada isnt as much as ONE year of death in Syria ?)

    Yeah - ONE Pakistani 14 year old shot is a sad thing to you...but HUNDREDS of 14 year old Israeli girls dead - means NOTHING to you.

    YOU, bs...are FULL of "bs". You speak with forked tongue.

    • 17 votes
    #1.52 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:11 PM EDT
    Comment author avatarFlame ThrowerExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    I'd like to know how Obama can justify supporting these guys as well.

    • 4 votes
    #1.53 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:30 PM EDT

    Flame Thrower, can't you read? The girl was shot partly because she supported Obama.

    You guys can't tell the truth to save your lives!

    • 11 votes
    #1.54 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:46 PM EDT

    Conservatives traditionally support self-sufficiency, hard work, strong families, and respect. Liberals want a clean environment, high wages, civil rights for all, and freedom of expression. But it's not like each group is either/or. There is a high degree of overlap, but you wouldn't know it to read these posts. "The other side is evil and will destroy America."

    You're quite right. There is a lot of overlap, and each perspective has points of value. Our country became polarized with the introduction of religion into politics ("Moral Majority", "Focus on Family", etc...). This group doesn't believe in compromise. In fact, it condemns compromise and those who engage in it. Not unlike the Taliban. And, with the far right unwilling to compromise, liberals have also become unwilling to compromise because they know that they will get nothing in return for their concessions. We can only move ahead when we finally chase religion out of politics.

    • 14 votes
    #1.55 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:49 PM EDT

    God bless and God speed, hope this girl recovers well.

    Hope all these PoS get a one way ticket to H3ll, and I don't care who sends them there.

    • 4 votes
    #1.56 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:59 PM EDT

    What kind of dickhead headline is this? Who wants to give a chance to Taliban to justify what the heck they are doing?

    • 4 votes
    #1.57 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:47 PM EDT

    Taliban wants to justify their action because that's all they can do chasing girls and shooting them. Any women wnats education is against taliban believe no where in their satanic verses spec book indicate women can not have education. Is bad enough that their leader is an uneducated illiterate a**, But wanting all others to be in his 7th century savagery barbarian stone age is certainly idiotic idea. Is nothing great about these so called coward mujahedins all they can do is shoot only girls and even that they can't aim right. Very pathetic bunch of satanic verses cult that have no clue about life. Just like sheeps being shephered to destruction. These cowards ball-less mujahedin wants medal for shooting 14 yr old girls because that's all they can do killing women.

    • 1 vote
    #1.58 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:57 PM EDT

    I know many good American people who consider themselves Conservative Christians and conservative Jews I have never met one that wanted to actually kill another human like conservative muslims.

    American Christians and American Jews believe that only God can create life so only God has the right to take life. They also believe that humans can develop , grow and change and seek salvation through God or Jesus ---so to kill a person that hasn't found God yet is the worst type of horror.

    This has always made me wonder about muslims--do they actually think they have the right to play God with peoples lives?

    Many warm thoughts, prayers to this little girl and her family. We have all been this little girl at one time in our lives--seeking justice in an unjust world.

    • 5 votes
    #1.59 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:05 PM EDT

    If Islamic law can justify the actions of these murderers, then Islamic law is moral trash.

    If these murderers represent Islamic law (and they themselves say that they DO...and, more importantly, not many Muslims seem to disagree), then Islamic law is moral trash.

    All Muslims claim to be dedicated to such high moral standards, but the actions of the extremists, and the inactions of the "moderates" indicate that Islamic morality is, in actual real-world fact, very far down on the scale.

    • 8 votes
    #1.60 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:24 PM EDT

    This Young LADY, whom the lowly and DISGUSTINGLY COWARDLY taliban shot, knows the truth about their islamic "high holy man" mohammed. Mohammed forced a little 6 year old girl to "marry him". This disgusting pedaphile then "consummated" the marraige when THIS CHILD turned Nine Years of age; (9) where she had NO say of choice when mohammed exploited and raped her child's body; that is what the NOTORIOUSLY SHAMEFUL islamic taliban is into. If they can't rule her or rape her, then kill her; so these desert rats shot her. Islamics, sharia law supporters, You are all Pathetic lackeys, missing the basics of human dignity and decency.

    • 8 votes
    #1.61 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:34 PM EDT

    Agreed JS: Until the Pakistani people demand action to destroy their Taliban and other Muslim extremists both physically and politically, the problems we have fought to solve for 10 years will go on.

    The key to winning in Afghanistan has always been Pakistan. Until the power of the right-wingers in Pakistan and their military and ISI allies is broken, the Taliban will continue to thrive. They arm them, fund them, and train them.

    It's time to leave and work to influence Pakistan to change. You want to stop terrorism coming out of that part of the world? Start with that.

    • 5 votes
    #1.62 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:16 PM EDT

    "We did not attack her for raising voice for education. We targeted her for opposing mujahedeen..." That's a difference without a distinction.

    We cannot afford to continue supporting a country to NOT support or protect it's own.

    • 1 vote
    #1.63 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:57 PM EDT

    The shooting of this blameless school girl, tragic as it is, may be the catalyst which turns mainstream public opinion against Islamic extremists, and their tactics of fear and brutalization.

    • 5 votes
    #1.64 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:07 AM EDT

    Even a spy deserves better. There is no excuse for shooting a child. Al Qaeda and the taliban have exposed themselves to their own people as what they really are. Only a person with no ability to feel human empathy could shoot a child. In america we call people like that insane and usually "serial Killers". When a group starts killing it's own children the people will see the light. but don't worry Al Qaeda, Allah will explain and you will understand.

    • 5 votes
    #1.65 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:12 AM EDT

    Too Late Taliban. The whole world is beginning to realize you are scum. I usually despise the media for their nosiness, but in this situation they get credit. Back in the day these scum would do this kind of stuff all the time with little to no reprisal. But not this time. Still, we must all remember that killing little girls and "unfaithful" women is a daily practice for these scum.

    • 11 votes
    #1.66 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:12 AM EDT

    The Taliban and Al Qaeda are rats hiding in the shadows. It takes a real brave man to shoot a young girl. I hate fanatics

    • 8 votes
    #1.67 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:09 AM EDT

    Well I loved reading this, Rehman Malik is the man........

      #1.68 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:40 AM EDT

      Kallie - Does bombing abortion clinics and murdering doctors ring a bell? Religious fanatics exist everywhere.

      • 12 votes
      #1.69 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:51 AM EDT

      To this branch of the Muslim type religion may not even consider this girl a child for her age.

      May? In a lot of the middle east she would be married off for money at 8 years old to a man 5 times her age or even more.

      • 5 votes
      #1.70 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:16 AM EDT

      Hmmm, JoeCal. That has happened rarely and yet, you hang on to it?Tell,me, how many examples can you give of people being shot at abortion clinics??? My question to you is this: "What about the million babies killed every year"??? Don't care about that evil, huh?

        #1.71 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:15 AM EDT

        "They should hunt down..."

        Today it's outrage, tomorrow it's out of Asia. Elimination of the animals was a hot button ten years ago but too many people lost the ability to focus.

          #1.72 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:35 AM EDT

          latekate said:

          Rimsha Masih age 14 is a Pakistani girl with Down Syndrome was arrested by police in August and could face the death penalty for blasphemy. She had to flee to an undisclosed location to save her life.

          She was cleared of all charges and released, and the cleric who first accused her of blaspemy was arrested for planting the pages of the Qu'ran in her bag in order to frame her for that blasphemy.

          BMette said:

          If these murderers represent Islamic law (and they themselves say that they DO...and, more importantly, not many Muslims seem to disagree), then Islamic law is moral trash.

          They do disagree, incidents like this are why they weren't vocal about it.

          With the US interference in the region, driving the extremists out of regions where they've typically held a lot of sway, people in these regions are slowly discovering what freedom is like, and they are starting to rebel. And when the moderates do speak out they are targeted--like Malala.

          Change is coming slowly, but it is coming. The people of these regions are starting to throw off the religious and moral chains these extremists have placed on them and in the coming years Malala will be a rallying cry, an example to the people that those who disagree with the extremists have the support of their government. Education is key--with education and literacy these people will finally be able to read the Qu'ran for themselves and realize that a lot of the things the extremists say is in there--isn't. Like Malala who read her Qu'ran and knows that, contrary to what the extremists teach, education is encouraged for everyone, even women, and started a campaign to make others aware of the fact. Education and literacy is the key to learning to think for yourself, lessening the hold a religious leader has over the people and reducing their power--you see the same thing right now in the Catholic Church, with the contraception controversy--the religious leader may say that contraception is anathema but the results of uncontrolled procreation have had clearly demonstrable bad effects on our planet and society and many Catholics disagree with that particular stance of their church.

          • 5 votes
          #1.73 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:16 AM EDT

          PhantomBeast said:

          This Young LADY, whom the lowly and DISGUSTINGLY COWARDLY taliban shot, knows the truth about their islamic "high holy man" mohammed. Mohammed forced a little 6 year old girl to "marry him". This disgusting pedaphile then "consummated" the marraige when THIS CHILD turned Nine Years of age; (9) where she had NO say of choice when mohammed exploited and raped her child's body; that is what the NOTORIOUSLY SHAMEFUL islamic taliban is into.

          Mohammed lived in the seventh century. Back then, life was short and hard, infant mortality was high, and few children lived to adulthood. It was customary for the peoples in that entire region to marry early and often and start the females bearing children as soon as they were physically capapble of it in hopes of getting ONE child to survive to adulthood. Girls were engaged (with gifts from the prospective groom to the bride's family) as early as nine, with marriage to be finalized and consummated as soon as the girl started having her period.

          Mary also lived in that time, and according to the Bible she was engaged to Joseph but not yet married. That would have been between 9 and 12, according to Jewish custom--Joseph himself had doubts about marrying Mary when he found out she was pregnant, and God told him it was OK, God made Mary pregnant with the Messiah.

          So God made Mary pregnant at 12--which would make God a pedophile by today's standards.

          My point is: you cannot apply today's standards to people who lived in the 7th century.

          • 3 votes
          #1.74 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:26 AM EDT

          Dam* Gtouch,

          You have been collapsed everyday this week. It's like the universe is out of alignment or something. Maybe there are political hooligans following you around collapsing your posts. I don't get it.

          • 2 votes
          #1.75 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:26 AM EDT

          I think it will be women and girls who finally bring about change in the Middle East. They have so much more to lose and so much more to gain because they are the ones who suffer the most from the ignorance of Islamic law. And, not only in the whacked out world of the Taliban and Al-Qaida, even in oh so more civilized Saudi Arabia, girls were sent back into a burning school to get their head coverings and the religious police guarded the gates not allowing them out and beat men with sticks who tried to help save the girls saying it was sinful to go near them forcing everyone to watch as the girls burned to death. Islam is Hell on Earth for women and Hell in Heaven for women!

          • 5 votes
          #1.76 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:40 AM EDT

          The Pakistani govt should evacuate all women, girls, and young boys from the Swat area of Pakistan and then authorize the use of drones to wipe out every building in that part of Pakistan, and if any of the taliban attempt to escape to another part of Pakistan the Pakistani army, or whatever meet them with heavy gunfire. If the hospital in Britain would have been really smart they would have held those two for British govt to interrogate. Perhaps through interrogation the British govt could find out how many others there are in Britain willing to enter the hosp. to kill Malala. Oh yeah, in case there are some caves in the Swat area allow US aircraft with cave-busting bombs to wipe a few more taliban out.

          • 3 votes
          #1.77 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:06 AM EDT

          It is clash of religions going on all over the world. Their religious madness have made the lives of their own girls/women, minority sects/tribes miserable.

          Malala case is getting publicity as BBC gave full blast publicity and she is an Obama fan! There have been millions like her.

          Followers of Islamic cult, especially Sunni Saudi inspired Islamic radicals and militants (al-Qaida, Salaffi, Wahhabi, MB, Taliban and other label ones), are fast marching backwards to their seventh century desert tribal days.

          They are indulging in rapings, lootings, killings and genocides of non-Muslims (Darfur, S. Sudan, Nigeria and spreading like wild fire in many regions and Muslims (Libya, Mali, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan and other places).

          Sunni Saudi backed Salaffi and MB new chapters are opening up in Egypt. Just watch the fate of Christians, women and Israel as the time goes by.

          Even in Syria, if Assad is overthrown by Sunni Islamic religious Nazis like al-Qaida, MB, the conditions of Christians will be unbearable just like Iraq.

          Pakis and Sunni Saudis and co are responsible for 80 percent of world problems including economic ones. Examine the devastations with Iraqi wars and now sanctions on Iranian oil and the resultant oil price manipulations.

          Wipe out Sunni Saudi Arabia and Pakistan from the map for world peace and economic stability.

          Also kick out all Pakis from non-Muslim nations, as they have become liabilities to the societies and nations they are in.

          • 2 votes
          #1.78 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:35 AM EDT

          "Jihad refers to a religious struggle, which a minority of Muslims interpret as an armed fight against the enemies of Islam."

          Then what does it say about the majority of Muslims that let these groups run free and dictate policy, other than the fact that they are cowards?

          • 2 votes
          #1.79 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:39 AM EDT

          @Amanda

          The country is called ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN. They have the strictest anti-blasphemy laws.

          Calls for change in the blasphemy laws have been strongly resisted by Islamic parties.

          Prominent figures like Salman Taseer (the former governor of Punjab) and Shahbaz Bhatti (the Federal Minister for Minorities) have been assassinated for their opposition to the blasphemy laws."

          Rimsha was released because of international intervention.

          After her release from jail, she was airlifted to an undisclosed location to rejoin her family.

          You can't put a band-aid on it people. Paki government and Taliban tolerate each other for the sake of Islam.

            #1.80 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:53 AM EDT

            Taliban, Islamic religious warriors, decided to eliminate Malala; handed over the job to the commanders; and a bunch attacked 14 year old school going girl, Malala!

            Among the bunch, three were arrested and two shooters are still absconding!

            This is how the "most brave" pure Muslims on earth attack minorities, girls, women, their own Muslim minority sects and tribes!

            Pure Islamic radicals and terrorists use children and women with burkha/niqab for suicide bombings. If they have to attack innocents, they use heavy weapons and suicide bombings on unsuspecting people.

            9/11, London tube bombings, 11/26 Mumbia shootings and bombings are classical examples.

            What sort of a barbaric religion Islam is?

            In 21st century, if still one follows such a barbaric and beastly religion, then what do you say about its followers?

            • 1 vote
            #1.81 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:56 AM EDT

            Blondeness, that's why the Taliban is against education. They are scared to death that if the people become educated they will stand up to them. Education breeds freedom lovers and kills bigot-ism. It is better for the Taliban to make people fear becoming educated.

            • 3 votes
            #1.82 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:59 AM EDT

            Anybody notice who the Taliban blamed Malala's blog and the Pakistani uprising (the reporter there actually said the group protesting the shooting of the girls was much smaller than those protesting the U.S.) on? The BBC. They actually blamed it on a British Television Station. I just find that amusing. I mean usually it's the US. What's up with that?

            • 1 vote
            #1.83 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:04 AM EDT

            If Islamic law can justify the actions of these murderers, then Islamic law is moral trash.

            Of course Islamic "law" can be used to justify their actions, just as Christianity is used to justify the murder of abortion doctors and protests at soldiers' funerals in this country. Religion can be twisted by anyone to justify anything.

            • 2 votes
            #1.84 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:15 AM EDT

            "Shariah (Islamic law) says that even a child can be killed if he is propagating against Islam."

            ...can be killed...

            It's very telling that they used this particular wording. It says they want to kill people, even children, but that they try to find justification for it. They shot her because they wanted to kill a child. Now, they're trying to justify it with religion.

            They kill people simply because they love to kill people--even women and children. In fact, particularly women and children. They said so in that one little sentence. They just try to hide behind religion as justification for it.

            Here's a rewording that still accurately reflects the sentiment behind the original statement:

            "We shot her because we wanted to kill a child, and Islam says we're allowed to, so you have no right to admonish us for it, because we believe we're entitled to be psychotic murderers."

            • 3 votes
            #1.85 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:17 AM EDT

            On Tuesday, al-Qaida's propaganda arm al-Sahab, issued a three-page communique in Pakistan's tribal areas, laying out a justification for the shooting.

            hmmm, according to Obama and Biden, al-Qaida is all but gone. This admin. has supposedly killed them all...c'mon now, "liar, liar, pants on fire"

            • 1 vote
            #1.86 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:37 AM EDT

            ULDog: Yes, there are religious fanatics in all faiths but not to the extent in number, moral depravity, and willingness to take other people's lives. It's in their bible.

            I am quoting from a posting by “ASTOUNDING.” I hope he/she does not mind:

            Quran
            (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of
            the places whence they drove you out, for persecution
            [of
            Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]
            ... but if they
            desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until
            persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
            The historical
            context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and
            his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by
            their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in
            that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later
            did). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus
            disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and
            oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual
            Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results
            from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that
            violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie.
            unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

            Quran
            (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth
            and knoweth all things."

            Quran
            (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed
            for you
            , and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which
            is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah
            knoweth, and ye know not."
            Not only does this verse establish that violence
            can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only
            in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.
            From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad
            was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding
            merchant caravans for loot.

            Quran
            (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible
            agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to
            help."

            Quran
            (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers,
            for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no
            authority".
            This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes
            Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly
            believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

            Quran
            (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this
            world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he
            victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."
            The martyrs of Islam are
            unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are
            killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause
            of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

            Quran
            (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

            Quran
            (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus
            be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until
            they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn
            renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case)
            take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

            Quran
            (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no
            hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and
            their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight
            with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in
            Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He
            distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"
            This
            passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting
            them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the
            modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a
            spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is
            clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically
            disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to
            be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and
            this is reflected in other translations of the verse).

            Quran
            (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer
            pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..."
            Is pursuing
            an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

            Quran
            (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His
            messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should
            be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on
            opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for
            them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous
            chastisement"

            Quran
            (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve.
            Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
            No
            reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

            Quran
            (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle,
            turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them,
            unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath
            incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's
            end."

            Quran
            (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder,
            unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah" Some translations
            interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this
            word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:293, also).
            The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj.
            Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since
            Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also
            acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to
            destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence
            the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for
            Allah"
            , meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of
            the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further
            explains that "Allah must have no rivals."

            Quran
            (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to
            strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

            Quran
            (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can
            outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all
            thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay
            the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

            Quran
            (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

            Quran
            (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the
            idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and
            lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and
            pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."
            According to this verse,
            the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam.
            Prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's
            Five Pillars.

            Quran
            (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them
            to disgrace..."

            Quran
            (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with
            their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's
            sight. These are they who are triumphant."
            The "striving" spoken of here is
            Jihad (Arabic).

            Quran
            (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold
            that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor
            acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book,
            until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
            "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. This was one of the
            final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military
            expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the
            Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other
            people and faiths.

            Quran
            (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians
            say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they
            imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how
            they are turned away!"

            Quran
            (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye
            are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do
            ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of
            this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish
            you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."
            This is a
            warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

            Quran
            (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your
            wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but
            knew."
            See also the verse that follows (9:42)
            - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would
            (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed)
            on them"
            This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in
            self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long
            distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case,
            according to the historians).

            Quran
            (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the
            hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the
            destination."
            Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims
            that they are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter.
            It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside
            the faith.

            Quran
            (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and
            fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and
            it is they who will prosper."

            Quran
            (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their
            goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His
            cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the
            Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than
            Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the
            achievement supreme."

            Quran
            (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near
            to you and let them find in you hardness."

            Quran
            (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to
            the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word
            proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."
            Note that
            the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction."
            (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an
            invitation to Islam).

            Quran
            (18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor
            killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the
            family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story
            (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses
            encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to
            make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later
            explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74).
            However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would
            "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude." He was killed so that
            Allah could provide them a 'better' son. (Note: This is one reason why honor
            killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says
            that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills
            their offspring (o.1.1-2).)

            Quran
            (21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their
            fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually
            reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they
            who will win?"

            Quran
            (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against
            them with the utmost strenuousness..."
            "Strive against" is Jihad -
            obviously not in the personal context. It's also significant to point out that
            this is a Meccan verse.

            Quran
            (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease,
            and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against
            them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they
            will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."
            This
            passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in
            other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to
            "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167)
            and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which
            include Jews and Christians 5:51-52),
            and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against
            Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers. It is worth noting that the victims
            are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do. If this
            passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why
            it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.

            Quran
            (47:3-4) - "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who
            believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men
            their lessons by similitude. Therefore when you meet in battle those who
            disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make
            (them) prisoners,"
            Those who reject Allah are to be subdued in battle. The
            verse goes on to say the only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is
            in order to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test.
            "But if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution
            from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with
            others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their
            deeds be lost."

            Quran
            (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye
            should be uppermost
            (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with
            you,"

            Quran
            (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the
            lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso
            obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which
            rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom."
            Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual
            struggle.' Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted? This verse
            also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.

            Quran
            (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are
            hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"
            Islam is not about treating everyone equally. There are two
            very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status. Also the
            word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the
            word translated as 'painful' or severe' in verse 16.

            Quran
            (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way" Religion of
            Peace, indeed! This is followed by (61:9):
            "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the
            religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even
            though the infidels may resist
            ."

            Quran
            (61:10-12) - "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will
            save you from a grievous Penalty?- That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger,
            and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and
            your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you
            your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful
            mansions in Gardens of Eternity."
            This verse was given in battle. It uses
            the Arabic word, Jihad.

            Quran
            (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites,
            and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."
            The root word of "Jihad" is used again here. The context is clearly holy
            war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who
            call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.

            From the Hadith:

            Bukhari
            (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until
            you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will
            say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

            Bukhari
            (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack
            the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and
            children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are
            from them (i.e. pagans)."
            In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is
            permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy.
            This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.

            Bukhari
            (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with
            terror'

            Abu
            Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are
            the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no
            god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and
            not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be
            performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day
            the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)

            Abu
            Dawud (14:2527) - The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad)
            is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether
            he is pious or impious

            Muslim
            (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight
            against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad
            is the messenger of Allah

            Bukhari
            (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people
            till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say
            so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then
            their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with
            them except legally."

            Muslim
            (1:30) - "The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight
            against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but
            Allah."

            Muslim
            (1:149) - "Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the
            deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in
            His cause..."

            Muslim
            (20:4645) - "...He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is
            another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one
            hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to
            the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa'id) said: What is that act?
            He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!"

            Muslim
            (20:4696) - "the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: 'One
            who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or
            determination) for Jihid died the death of a hypocrite.'"

            Muslim
            (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the
            news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against
            unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."

            Muslim
            (19:4294) - "When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed
            anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him... He
            would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against
            those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war... When you meet your enemies
            who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to
            any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any
            harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them
            and desist from fighting against them... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand
            from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your
            hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them.

            Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet
            declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power."
            Ashraf was a poet,
            killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the
            scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by
            his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

            Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us" The
            words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.

            Tabari 17:187 "'By God, our religion (din) from which we have
            departed is better and more correct than that which these people follow. Their
            religion does not stop them from shedding blood, terrifying the roads, and
            seizing properties.' And they returned to their former religion."
            The words
            of a group of Christians who had converted to Islam, but realized their error
            after being shocked by the violence and looting committed in the name of Allah.
            The price of their decision to return to a religion of peace was that the men
            were beheaded and the woman and children enslaved by the caliph Ali.

            Ibn Ishaq/Hisham
            327: - “Allah said, ‘A
            prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven
            from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the
            ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the
            religion.’”

            Ibn Ishaq/Hisham
            990: - Lest anyone think that
            cutting off someone's head while screaming 'Allah Akbar!' is a modern creation,
            here is an account of that very practice under Muhammad, who seems to
            approve.

            Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992:
            - "Fight everyone in the way
            of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah."
            Muhammad's instructions
            to his men prior to a military raid.

            • 2 votes
            #1.87 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:39 AM EDT

            Curious that the triumvirate Nazi posters Abdallah, Von Dorf, and Ralph H. are not here to condemn this awful Muslim atrocity, one of many against their own population.

            • 1 vote
            #1.88 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:49 AM EDT

            latekate said;

            The country is called ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN. They have the strictest anti-blasphemy laws.

            Yes they do and they have been under a lot of pressure to relax them.

            Rimsha was released because of international intervention.

            She was released on bail, which may have been granted due to international pressure, but the Pakistani government took her by helicopter to an undisclosed location to rejoin her family an a cleric was later arrested for planting evidence:

            Pakistani investigators said Rimsha's neighbor accused her of burning pages of the Quran to use as cooking fuel. The young man accused the teenager of blasphemy, shouted in protest, and attracted an angry mob, police said.

            But Rimsha's lawyers denied she desecrated the Muslim holy book in this way. They said the neighbor wanted to settle a personal score with Rimsha because the two didn't get along.

            The lawyers told CNN this may have been because he liked her but she didn't like him back.

            Within minutes hundreds of residents from this poor Islamabad neighborhood surrounded the terrified girl, witnesses said.

            There are conflicting accounts about what happened next. Some neighbors said Rimsha was beaten, while others claimed she frantically raced back home and locked herself inside.

            The police eventually arrived and took Rimsha into custody

            Her case made international headlines and sparked outrage among rights groups who have long accused the Pakistani government of allowing the country's controversial blasphemy laws to be used to settle scores and persecute religious minorities.

            According to rights groups such as the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan and Human Rights Watch, most innocent victims of Pakistan's blasphemy laws belong to minority Muslim sects like the Ahamadis, who are often viewed as non-believers by Pakistan's majority Sunnis.

            Rimsha's father -- a Christian house painter who earns a few dollars a day -- said no one in his family would dare dishonor the Quran.

            "We respect the Quran just like we respect the Bible," said Mizrak Mashi. "We couldn't imagine committing blasphemy let alone doing it. Our children would never do this either."

            Last week, under growing pressure from rights groups who were outraged that a juvenile had spent more than three weeks in jail, a judge finally approved Rimsha's request to be released on bail.

            Her case is still pending but she seemed to gain fresh support earlier this month when police arrested a Muslim cleric and accused him of planting torn pages of the Qu'ran in Rimsha's bag in an apparent attempt to bolster evidence against her.

            You can't put a band-aid on it people. Paki government and Taliban tolerate each other for the sake of Islam.

            They did. Malala's case may finally induce a 'divorce' in that 'marriage'. they are losing support in the face of progress, education and literacy.

            • 1 vote
            #1.89 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:08 AM EDT

            Johnathan said:

            Also kick out all Pakis from non-Muslim nations, as they have become liabilities to the societies and nations they are in.

            That would mean Malala herself would be sent back to Pakistan. And Pakistani Christians would be sent back to Pakistan to face the Taliban who would kill them.

            • 1 vote
            #1.90 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:14 AM EDT

            Basil Romeo:

            the same stuff is in the Bible too:

            And they went waging war against Midian, just as Jehovah had commanded Moses, and they proceeded to kill every male. And they killed the kings of Midian along with the others slain, namely, Evi and Rekem and and Zur and Hur and Reba, the five kings of Midian, and they killed Balaam the son of beor with the sword. But the sons of Israel carried off the women of Midian and their little ones captive; and all their livestock and all their means of maintenace they plundered. And all their cities in which they had settled and all their walled camps they burned with fire. And they went taking all the spoil and all the booty in the way of humans and domestic animals. And they came bringing to Moses and Eleazar the priest and to the assembly of the sons of Israel the captives and the booty and the spoil to the camp, to the desert plains of Moab,which are by the Jordan at Jericho. (Numbers 31:7-12)

            Then Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the chieftains of the assembly went out to meet them outside the camp. And Moses grew indignant at the appointed men of the combat forces the chiefs of the thousands and the chiefs of the hundreds who were coming in from the military expedition. So Moses said to them, "Have you preserved alive every female? Look! They are the ones who, by Balaam's word, served to induce the Sons of Israel to commit unfaithfulness toward Jehovah over the affair of Peor, so that a scourge came upon the assembly of Jehovah. And now kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has had intercourse with man by lying with a male. And preserve alive for yourselves all the little ones among the women who have not known the act of lying with a male." (Numbers 31:13-19)

            A little further on: As for human souls from the women who had not known the act of lying with a male, all the souls were thirty-two thousand. (Numbers 31:35)

            So to me, the same could be said of the Old Testament. Lots of putting people of other cities to the sword, lots of raping and pillaging and plundering, killling of children.

            Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold
            that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor
            acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book,
            until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
            "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. This was one of the
            final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military
            expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the
            Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other
            people and faiths.

            The phrase 'People Of The Book' actually are the Muslims:

            O People Of The Book, exceed not the limits in your religion,and say not of Allah anything but the truth. Verily the Messiah, Jesus, Son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah and a fulfillment of His word which he sent down to Mary, and a mercy from Him. So believe Allah and his messengers, and say not 'They Are Three'. Desist, it will be better for you. Verily, Allah is the only One God. Far is it from his Holiness that He should have a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the Earth. And Sufficient is Allah as a guardian. (Qu'ran 4:172)

            and here's their definition of 'believers' and 'unbelievers';

            Surely, those who have believed, and the Jews and the Sabians and the Christians--whoso believeth in God and the Last Day and does good deeds, on them shall come no fear, nor shall they grieve. (Qu'ran, chapter 5:70)

            The Muslims include as 'believers' themselves, Jews and the Christians who believe in God and Judgement Day and does good deeds. Anyone who doesn't fit in the above categories is an 'unbeliever'.

            "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers,
            for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no
            authority".
            This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes
            Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly
            believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

            Not all Christians believe in the Holy Trinity. They are called 'Non-Trinitarians and these denominations include Christadelphians, Christian Scientists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), Dawn Bible Students, Friends General Conference, Iglesia ni Cristo, Jehovah's Witnesses, La Luz del Mundo, Living Church of God, Oneness Pentecostals, Members Church of God International, Unitarian Universalist Christians and the United Church of God.

            The copy of the Qu'ran I have was published by Islam International Publications in the UK in 2011. It has 114 chapters. Now I've heard that there are other books called the Sunnah (or Sunni plural) which includes the hadith) but several of my Muslim friends say they don't study those as set-in-stone law since the Sunnah/Sunni with the hadith is a biography of Mohammed's life and is used as an illustration to show how one should behave, but they say he was a man, just another Messenger, and while they try to be like him they acknowledge that he's done things that wouldn't be acceptable today. From what I understand there are several different Sunni and they were written in about 900 CE, way after Mohammed lived, and as a result they say that any Qu'ran references to the Sunni/hadith were likely added later by some religious leader and would not be part of the true Qu'ran.

            I am not part of the Abrahamic belief system--the Jews/Christians/Muslims, so I look at all of you from the perspective of one outside of it. There's not much of a difference the Jews/Christians Holy Bible and the Qu'ran.

            What is different is where you are in your religion's evolution. The Jews went through their 'let's kill everyone who doesn't agree with us'' phase when they killed Jesus. The Christians went through their 'let's kill everyone who doesn't agree with us' phase during the Middle Ages and the Inquisition (though in some parts of the world they still kill practitioners of my belief system)but they've mostly gotten over it. Now it just remains to the Muslims to do so. While the majority of the (particularly those in Westernized countries) have learned that lesson, there's just a few sects that are fighting the advancement of time. it will happen--I firmly believe the next twenty years or so is going to see an end to the conflicts in the Middle East.

            • 2 votes
            #1.91 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:40 AM EDT

            Even though Obama likes to pretend the killing of Bin Laden after 10 years of hunting for him has solved all the problems with Al Quaida. NOT. They are even stronger and more wide spread since the so called Arab Spring removed the kind of leaders cruel enough to keep them under control. Obama welcomes the now in control Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt and Hillary claims they are peaceful. If you buy that I've got some swamp land I want to sell you. Obama has made muslims here a "protected class" along with blacks and gays. The only group NOT protected here are white males. Obama is passing out H1b work permits like candy to bring in more and more people from the Middle East to take the only good jobs left here. What part of this is heading toward disaster for us do people not understand? It is sad to say but this little girl was smarter and braver than the average American is. Grow a pair people.

              #1.92 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:48 AM EDT

              President Obama fondly describes the Muslim call to pray as "one of the prettiest sounds on earth." It may surprise Obama's supporters to learn he receipts the Muslim call to prayer with a first class Arabic accent!

              The Muslim religion is one of the fasted growing religions per capita in the United States among minority races! However, most liberal Obama supporters seem totally unaware that the vast majority of Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. The definition of an infidel is a 'non-believer?' In the event some may fail to understand the significance of that Islamic command, all followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone (inlcuding those in this chat) who is not of their faith so they can have a place in heaven.

              By contrast you will NEVER find Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those not of your faith or Dr. Chas. Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee themselves a place in heaven!' Yet, this is the directive found in the Koran is issued to EVERY Muslim!

              Since I love America, I have a problem when Obama pledges American financial support and friendship to Islamic leaders who are telling their followers to kill me and other Americans while he simultaneously undermines our relationship on Israel!

              Islam's Sharia Law which promotes a prime directive found in the Koran ordering followers to: "Seek out, find and kill all non-believers." Muslims are overtaking and destroying countries like France, Holland, Belgium, Norway, Sweden and the United Kingdom. It is this very Sharia Law that dictates beheading, female genital mutilation, stoning of women for adultery, honor killings, forced and arranged marriages, women cannot leave their house without a family male escort, separated swim times at pools for males and females and complete subjugation of women by men. All homosexuals are to be killed. Abortion is haram and not allowed in Islam, but Muslims are allowed to kill their daughter if she refuses to marry the man they had chosen for her.

              Muslims hold to a belief that that it is permissible to steal money and property from non-Muslims in order to distribute it, but if they steal from each other the offender's hands are to be cut off. This directive helps to explain Obama's redistribution theory and can be used to better understand how he rationalizes a reckless fiscal policy and deficit spending destined to drive America into bankruptcy within should he be reelected.

              Both Islam and Obama present very real and threatening consequences for every American. Unfortunately, some Americans have been unable to pull back the veil and see the wolf in sheep's clothing currently occupying the Whitehouse. Some are so caught up in their own little single issue constituencies they can't see the forest for the tress while others simply lack the requisite intellectual acumen required to know the difference!

              NOBAMA 2012

              • 4 votes
              #1.93 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:30 PM EDT

              Hi Amanda! It's me again :) Even though you and I don't agree on everything, once again I am appreciative of your knowledge, thoughtfulness, and diplomacy. And I think you have made some good points in your above commentary (#1.90) Indeed, most of us Christians (Trinitarian and non Trinitarian) were able to put that "lets kill everyone who doesn't agree with us" mentality far behind us in our history--note that I said 'most' Christians. I believe that Moderate Muslims are the step forward in that process in their own religion, and the extremists/Taliban/al Qaida/ are the ones trying to leap backward. The struggle going on between the Moderate Muslims and the Extremist Muslims is a pivotal one, and the whole world cannot afford for the Moderate Muslims to loose this battle!

              • 1 vote
              #1.94 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:03 PM EDT

              @ Amanda

              Following an outcry over the case, Rimsha Masih, who is thought to be 14
              years old but with a younger mental age, was released on bail - an extremely
              rare move in blasphemy cases.

              CHRISTIAN BOY ARRESTED IN PAKISTAN FOR BLASPHEMY

              October 11, 2012

              http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19906528

              an angry crowd ransacked his family home, setting fire to their belongings on
              the street.

              A large majority of Pakistani people support the idea that blasphemers should be
              punished,

              accusations of blasphemy have led to vigilante killings by mobs

              Sounds like progress to me.

                #1.95 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:02 PM EDT

                "Jihad refers to a religious struggle, which a minority of Muslims interpret as an armed fight against the enemies of Islam."

                Then what does it say about the majority of Muslims that let these groups run free and dictate policy, other than the fact that they are cowards?

                D.MAN - It says that they live in violent, poorly governed countries, where the rule of the gun prevails, and where people do not believe the government can protect them, or will even try.

                If you believed it likely that the consequence for speaking out might be a bomb in your car, or a bullet in your head, you too would think twice before speaking.

                It is easier to be brave in a civil and well run Democracy.

                • 1 vote
                #1.96 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:04 PM EDT

                Amanda: I wish I shared your optimism re: Islam. I am Israeli though secular and believe religion to be the bane of human existence. I also believe that the Haredeem (extreme religious right in Israel) are a threat to democracy there and should be divorced from the political system. But this is the 21st century and thankfully the number of extremist Jews who espouse killing those who do not agree with them is miniscule if non-existent.I do, however, applaud your efforts to provide a balanced view of the problem. BTW: The Pagans killed Jesus.

                • 1 vote
                #1.97 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:15 PM EDT

                ...though granted, with tacit approval of some Jewish leaders.

                Who killed Jesus?

                Pontius Pilate, with cooperation from some Jewish leaders in Jerusalem, killed Jesus. What killed Jesus? On the historical level one can point to the sinful social structures of first-century Palestine and the spiral of violence that led Pilate to view Jesus as a dangerous Jewish rebel. On the theological level one can say that Jesus' death on the cross was the result of human sinfulness.

                Why did Jesus die? The New Testament writers give several theological responses. Jesus died in accord with the Scriptures as the expression of God's will (Matthew). Jesus died a sacrificial death for us and for our sins (Mark, Paul, and Hebrews). Jesus in his death gave us an example of fidelity in suffering (Luke). Jesus' death was part of his revelation of God and of his glorious return to the Father (John), and the pledge of his second coming (Revelation).

                Daniel J. Harrington, S.J., is professor of New Testament at Weston Jesuit School of Theology in Cambridge, Mass. He has been general editor of New Testament Abstracts since 1972 and is a past president of the Catholic Biblical Association (1985-86). He has written extensively on the Jewish world of the New Testament and its implications for Christian-Jewish relations today. His recent books include The Gospel of Matthew, Paul on the Mystery of Israel, and Wisdom Texts from Qumran.

                • 2 votes
                #1.98 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:27 PM EDT

                Basil--thank you for your input. I sometimes disagree with you too, but your two posts above are well thought out and diplomatic.

                • 1 vote
                #1.99 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:50 PM EDT

                Linda, yes I hate fanatics, and I count you among them.

                  #1.100 - Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:27 PM EDT
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                  Comment author avatarM C GUSTOExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                  Obama hides behind Hillary Clinton and now we learn he uses 11 year old girls as spies. Bo has got to go.

                  • 8 votes
                  Reply#2 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:53 PM EDT

                  So you agree with the Taliban then, let's just elect them into office? Making the claim that Obama used Malala as a spy is about as true as making the claim you need a government issued ID to vote.

                  • 16 votes
                  #2.1 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:57 PM EDT

                  Tweets, have you always been an idiot or just get there the last 4 years or so?

                  • 19 votes
                  #2.2 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:02 PM EDT

                  Quite you terrorist!

                  • 3 votes
                  #2.3 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:08 PM EDT

                  tweets, your stupid and it's probably terminal.

                  • 10 votes
                  #2.4 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:10 PM EDT

                  Please go back to the asylum, tweets. They are looking for you.

                  • 12 votes
                  #2.5 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:11 PM EDT

                  Tweets - are you really that much of an idiot?

                  • 7 votes
                  #2.6 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:22 PM EDT

                  Tweets!! you just another fanatic with a GOP agenda you are controlled by hate and lies....and the police should check you out to see what your up to...

                  • 7 votes
                  #2.7 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:30 PM EDT

                  Seems to me that this article is about a young woman who has suffered greatly at the ahnds of her own people for what she truly believes in her heart is the way in which her people should be headed.

                  And All you Butt heads here trying to add ANY of OUR POLICITAL BS are just sick little puppies. Leave our politics out of this.

                  At least in her country, She KNOWS who the enemy

                  • 5 votes
                  #2.8 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:47 PM EDT

                  tweets, One point in this article being missed. President Obama is NOT Islamic or Muslim. I guess it is time for the right wing obstructionists to come up with a new lie and let this one go. Or are you really part of al-Qaida. If there is one reason for voter suppression, it would be you.

                  • 6 votes
                  #2.9 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:17 PM EDT

                  USA citizen, You have a lot of nerve to call yourself a citizen. Citizens stand up for their leader and wait for investigations to be completed before rendering opinions. There are 300 US consulates and Embassies around the world and only the truly ignorant would expect every single person in all of those foreign countries to be fully secure, at all times. Consulates are not forts or bunkers, they are structures meant to allow access and communications with foreign hosts. That is a fundamental function of diplomacy. We would not have been allowed, by Libya, to have a platoon of Marines posted at this consulate. Further the hosting country is ultimately responsible for the security so Libya should be held responsible.

                  • 5 votes
                  #2.10 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:22 PM EDT

                  I'm guessing tweets from obama didnt watch the debate tonite..... LOLZ @ that

                  • 2 votes
                  #2.11 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:42 AM EDT
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                  I hope Malala and the other two children shot make a full recovery. I can't wait to see what this develops into, the Taliban have now contradicted the statement they released the day of the shooting and I hope the Pakistani public realizes what that means. I honestly had not heard of this courageous child Malala before this event, the Taliban have drawn worldwide attention to the issues they were trying to cover up. This strong child has won the hearts of the Pakistani citizens and I hope that this momentum does not get silenced like the Iranian Green Movement did.

                  The extremely worrisome part in all of this is that a Pakistani politician spoke out against and denounced the demonstrators who were supporting Malala. I think that in itself is an enormous issue and shows even if they strike a peace deal with the Taliban that Pakistan has a long hard road before it's people are free. Could you imagine the backlash if a Politician anywhere else denounced demonstrators for supporting a child fighting for her life after an attack like this?

                  • 25 votes
                  Reply#3 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:54 PM EDT

                  These "animals" have now said they have a contract out for this girl to kill her wherever she may be. These are real men, the followers of the a$$hole, if you are a girl/women you are worthless and not good for anything unless they want you to become a suicide bomber.

                  • 15 votes
                  #3.1 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:21 PM EDT

                  How about the people that post here "If you are a muslim lover you should be shot or kicked out of the country" or "if you are a commie lover you should be shot or kicked out of the country". Replace Allah with God, Muslim for Christianity, Muhammad for Jesus, and they sound almost exactly the same. They are the SAME type of people. You might want to go back into our history to see what our citizens have to done to others. We have even had elected politicians that openly supported groups like the KKK. It did not work out to well for them either. There are many events in history just like this. The straw that broke the camels back so to speak. People can only take so much before they break/snap and fight back. They act just like many gangs in America and other countries do. (We will have a similar problem brewing in the U.S. and it will not take many more straws to break the backs of the American workers either, the results will not be pretty.)

                  I really want to know HOW a 14 year old is acting as a spy for a foreign country? Please explain that to me because those 3 pages are chit. What GREAT VITAL intelligence is she providing that country with? What could she possibly tell us that we already do not f***ing know? We have drones over your f***ing heads and we need a 14 year old to do our dirty work? Do you have any proof or a even shred of evidence? How f***ing paranoid are you? Why did you shoot the other two f***ing girls? What did they have to do with spying? How do you justify that? Maybe you should be better f***ing shots. Hell you shoot a 14 year old girl twice and she lived, what does that say about your aim? Maybe use some better f***ing bullets next time morons, but that would require you to understand technology and have an education.

                  Why did you not allow girl schools while you were in control of the area? Why did boys still go to school? She speaks out against jihad and young people blowing themselves up for nothing... Maybe she does not want to she her friends die for no good reason. Maybe she does not want to see innocent people killed for no good reason. You shot two other girls for example to get one, how many good Muslims do you kill with each bomb blast? Why not attack military targets? They might shoot back? I am amazed they have put up with your chit for as long as they have. Why do the leaders of the Taliban not commit Jihad themselves? How much of a bunch of pu$$ies are you to hide behind children? Why do you want/need children to die for you? Why can you not do it yourself? I would never follow someone who is unwilling to do what they preach. We have people that do this in country and we call them gangs or politicians. I was pissed before, but now you try to justify this with a three page letter with nothing but B.S.. You are only pissing me off more...

                  • 8 votes
                  #3.2 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:52 PM EDT

                  "These "animals" have now said they have a contract out for this girl to kill her wherever she may be. These are real men, the followers of the a$$hole, if you are a girl/women you are worthless and not good for anything unless they want you to become a suicide bomber."

                  I'll bet the Muslim women could rise up and kick these cavemen's arses easily. Evidently, they consider women to be a threat. Al Quaida and the Taliban should take note: NOBODY effing likes you and you're scared of the inherent power of women, peace and free will. You will go down hard and with prejudice, you chickensh!ts!

                  • 6 votes
                  #3.3 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:42 PM EDT

                  It could happen here. Allow extreme right wing evangalical christians to ascend to power in this country you can dam well bet civil libertys will begin to vanish. The GOP rants about to much government intervention and regulation, then decides what a woman can do with her body. Ban 32 oz. drinks in NY,NY. When a person or group of people begin to voice their feelings against them they will bring down the wrath of God on them. Heaven help this country if the far right wing succeeds.

                  • 5 votes
                  #3.4 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:40 PM EDT

                  Thugs rationalizing the violent attempt on a little girl's life, and they said they would do it again. Pakistan, is this the kind of anti-education, holier-than-thou, serial-killer zealots you want ruling over the very lives of you and your family members?

                  • 6 votes
                  #3.5 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:24 PM EDT

                  Tired: Here's one answer to your questions. It's because they are NOTHING like us. Change the word 'terrorist' for 'tolerance' or 'theocracy' for 'democracy'. They don't sound the same at all. Well, except perhaps to you. You might want to get your hearing checked.

                    #3.6 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:11 AM EDT

                    All my best wishes for the young girl's full recovery. Let's hope that this latest shenanigan backfires in their face, and the entire world to include the Arabs just kick their rear ends on down the trenches of suffocation for their evil behavior which they claim to use in the name of a religion. Their actions are not one of caring for their own people; but those of trench rats.

                    • 4 votes
                    #3.7 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:47 AM EDT

                    In this country, we call it "spin." The Taliban is spinning stories, excuses, reasons and anything else they can dream up to validate their claims. Some have even made up stories that it wasn't them, but some other group. (Oh, puhleeezzeeee!) We've seen it all before. It's the suckers that take that bait to believe it. Suckers tend to be bottom dwellers, too, so some will follow whatever they are told.

                    I hope Malala recovers quickly and fine, as well as the other two children who were injured. She must be protected from these vile characters. I will never be able to fathom the fear that these thugs have of young girls and children. It must be an incurable character flaw. (Well, duh. Sorry for being so obvious.)

                    I know that the Taliban doesn't mind killing men, women and children. It's their way (sick and twisted as it is); but that's the culture of these vermin barbarians. Where I come from, we do our best to eradicate vermin, as they are known for what they are: dangerous, noxious, undesirable, pestilence-carrying creatures. They lie through their teeth when they say they are following their God's orders. (Last I heard, Malala is Muslim, and she was doing what her Koran allows her to do.) The important thing to remember is that no matter how the Taliban wants to spin their lies, we know better. The only cure for this murderous cult is their own destruction, and the sooner the better.

                    • 1 vote
                    #3.8 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:33 AM EDT

                    Regretably, they will succeed for a significant percentage of those they distribute this garbage too. People there have nothing...including education and they have no access to information like those of us in the West. They are angry and need someone to blame. Because they have no problem recruiting women and children themselves, it will seem perfectly logical to them, that such a tactic would be used in the West. Too bad those reading this material have no idea how rediculous such an accusation would be. Western communications companies recruiting children as spies? To us it is so reduclous we would laugh at such a statement...but, they will have success with this. They control what those people here and read. And they control the "spin" on every event that may occur.

                      #3.9 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:57 AM EDT

                      riverboy said:

                      The extremely worrisome part in all of this is that a Pakistani politician spoke out against and denounced the demonstrators who were supporting Malala.

                      Initially. But he changed his mind. Per the article:

                      Over the weekend, conservative Pakistani politician Maulana Fazlur Rehman, who originally spoke out against the demonstrators, softened his stance, saying that he condemned the attack on "our daughter."

                      And you also have to take into account his political stance; he's far right-wing, pro-Taliban (which resulted in him NOT being elected to the post of his country's Prime Minister) and in 2001 President Musharraf placed him under house arrest for inciting people against the country's armed forces and trying to overthrow the government. When Benazir Bhutto became the first female Muslim head of a democratically elected government, he protested that; his nickname is 'Maulana Diesel' because he has a lot of interest in Oil, and he and his brother have been involved in numerous fraud and corruption scandals involving fuel and land(though none was ever proven.)

                      And the Reformistan, the Reformist Movement for Pakistan, calls him a 'loser'.

                      Basically, he's a has-been whose star is falling and he's doing and saying anything to keep himself in the news and in Pakistan's public eye, even to the point of flip-flopping on his political party's views and calling Malala 'our daughter'.

                      • 2 votes
                      #3.10 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:23 AM EDT

                      Afghan and Paki regions were once most prosperous before the followers of Islamic cult set their feet in!

                      British invented Pakistan in 47 and the US has kept it on map assuming it as a "strategic ally."

                      Talk about being ungrateful and backstabber the history has ever seen, Pakistan walks away with all credit.

                      Examine how Pakis have backstabbed NATO forces in Afghanistan. They are responsible for half of NATO forces deaths.

                      In Pakistan, first it was massive genocides of minorities from 48-50 as soon as Pakistan was formed. Percentages of Hindus and Sikhs were reduced from about 24 percent less than three years by rapings, stealing, lootings, terrorizing and killing on a massive scale.

                      Now the Paki Islamic religious madness has not ended there.

                      They are after Ahmedias, Sufis (fake love and dance Islamic soap opera people), Shiites and Baloochs and other minority sects.

                      Shiites form eighteen percent.

                      While praying their mosques are blown to pieces on Fridays and even hospitals are bombed to kill those injured.

                      Pakistan is almost on the verge of civil war and just watch how Paki nukes will get dispersed among mad Islamic religious Nazis.

                      • 2 votes
                      #3.11 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:42 AM EDT
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                      the taliban need no justifiucation, their 10th century murderers.

                      • 14 votes
                      Reply#4 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:05 PM EDT

                      10th century? You give these cave men way too much credit.

                      • 18 votes
                      #4.1 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:14 PM EDT

                      It's suspected that even neanderthals had a sense of great culture, appreciation of the arts, and cared for the welfare of their family members and their fellow tribal members. These armed thugs prove time and again that they are less concerned about such things, so what does that make them? Our 'cave men' ancestors were more likely much more civilized than this crop of violent low-lifes.

                      • 6 votes
                      #4.2 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:32 PM EDT

                      Pakistan is a Muslim State where the Taliban is the largest majority of people and have instilled the Islamic religion as law, literally, where the Koran is applied to criminal case the persons judged as guilty are punished as the Koran dictates as it did in the 7th century. I have been looking at the news agency sites in all of the Islamic nations and see a disturbing trend of traveling back in time where Biblical type/Old Testament thinking is coming back to life.

                      People have their hands cut off, are beheaded, and set on fire in the name of god as is state sanctioned as God's Will. The women are historically kept as slaves, in ignorance. The only education a male receives is that which the Koran says is acceptable such as sharia laws.

                      People from the West are oblivious to the manner of logic or rational thinking from a person raised in this culture. Even worse, the cruel treatment of women is ingrained their culture for over a hundred generations, so why do people always want to try to explain the vile culture in western views. You cannot do it because you have not lived it. It would be like asking a person who is blind from birth to describe a blue sky.

                      The Taliban is attempting to justify their barbarous behavior as ordained by the Koran as it is written. A Very fundamental belief of the Muslims is that all is predestined and has been written. There is no reward in this life and all rewards are to come in the next life for the true believers.(That is for the poor, the rich can have gold toilets) The benefits for believing in the preordained notion is that one, if it is already written then I must be doing the work of God, and two, Anyone who dies in god's name (even if I kill them) was meant to die at that time and place. That is why a group of people can stone people to death and chant "God's will", then go home to sleep in peace "Peace be upon you".

                      They live is a world where their life as an individual was removed centuries ago for some. These are the ones who would kill their own people to dominate through religion.

                      Lazarus

                      • 1 vote
                      #4.3 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:05 PM EDT
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                      Interesting how the Taliban are trying to quell the anger. There is no justification in this incident. There is no evidence this girl was being used as a spy. I think Al-Qaida and Taliban are slowly realizing they started something that they will regret. It takes one small pebble to start an avalanche. The pebble has been thrown and now the avalanche is building.

                      • 27 votes
                      Reply#5 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:08 PM EDT

                      Just took that one guy in Tunisia to start the Arab Spring. You never know what will set the tinderbox alight.

                      • 12 votes
                      #5.1 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:26 PM EDT
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                      You are right Joe. They are thugs at best. They hide behind religion. I say they meet God very soon.

                      • 17 votes
                      Reply#6 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:08 PM EDT

                      Islam is pure evil. Nothing they can say will justify shooting a child.

                      • 21 votes
                      Reply#7 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:09 PM EDT

                      You are pure stupid.. You don't even know that the kids who want an education there are Muslim. The kids praying for this girl are Muslim. And of course the KKK are Christian. So that would make Christianity pure evil also.. RIGHt IDIOT??

                      • 13 votes
                      #7.1 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:25 PM EDT

                      New...correctly stated! Islam is not only pure evil, it is a highly organized,tightly structured religious cult with a very specific and controlling hierarchy. Their belief is killing non-believers, imposing their cruel degrading culture on all citizens by way of the religious leaders who control all governmental functions. Now, in this highly structured and controlled religion does one not wonder why all the muslims in Europe and America refuse to rise up and stop these hate filled crimes? "Silence is consent" and when the muslims here do say something, it is only cheap talk, never any action. Every single muslim in this world has blood on their hands for these attacks, every single one of this people who fail to act are as guilty as the worthless low life scum killers. Wake up world!

                      • 11 votes
                      #7.2 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:50 PM EDT

                      Jack-1006819

                      New...correctly stated! ... is not only pure evil, it is a highly organized,tightly structured religious cult with a very specific and controlling hierarchy. Their belief is killing non-believers, imposing their cruel degrading culture on all citizens by way of the religious leaders who control all governmental functions.

                      You know you just described 6th Century Christianity don't you? The only real difference I see between the "American Taliban" and the Taliban is a matter of degrees.

                      • 8 votes
                      #7.3 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:38 PM EDT

                      Ol_Doc, When and organized group of Christians starts shooting people in the streets of America, then maybe your point will have some validity. Until then, I would suggest you stop comparing MODERN Islamic extremists with how Christianity was, by your own admission, 1500 years ago. If you are a murdered, you go not get excused because my great grandfather 40 times removed also killed someone.

                      • 4 votes
                      #7.4 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:26 PM EDT

                      Not every Muslim or Catholic is a murderer. The Taliban, Al-Qaida and extremists are using their religion to justify their hate and violence. Just as Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand used Catholicism to justify the Spanish Inquisition and Rome used it to justify the Crusades.

                      We should never underestimate the level of depravity humans can descend to. The only difference between the above is then and now.

                      • 1 vote
                      #7.5 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:19 AM EDT

                      Hey DD, ever year of the Army of God or other christian terrorist groups? Remember Mathew Sheppard? Take off the binders and see MODERN fundamentalist christianity for what it is, one small step away from the terrorism they say they condemn.

                        #7.6 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:49 AM EDT
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                        This just goes to show you how blind, wicked, and CRAZY these mindless IDIOTS are!!!!

                        • 14 votes
                        Reply#8 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:09 PM EDT

                        maybe she was in a you tube video

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#9 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:10 PM EDT

                        I like these news services, NBC says " the conservative Taliban" I guess killing people is a conservative value we all must strive to achieve. The Associated Mess says the same thing and if you ask the reporter "what the meaning of conservative is" they cannot answer the question. The assumption since someone is a Republican is a conservative.

                        So I guess they mean "all Repuiblicans murder children because they are conservative"! That is what I get from these news story!

                        Folks, keep up the verbal onslaught and we will win the war against these Satan/Taliban worshipers yet! Bullets won't solve the problem, but the public onslaught will! We are winning this if we denounce them as the devil!

                        Keep up the good work!

                        • 6 votes
                        Reply#10 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:10 PM EDT

                        Jeff, at least one republican congressman has accused Democrats of being 'baby killers'; so I don't think conservatism and child murderer are the same thing. Conservatism generally means unable to accept change, to resist progress, and to go back to some long ago time when rules of compassion and liberal behavior did not exist, when greed and injustice prevailed. Much the same as the Republican ideology of today.

                        This child showed courage beyond her years, speaking out against the forces of conservatism in her own country. It is encouraging to see that she has supporters among her own people. The Taliban and Al Quaeda are simply extreme versions of religious conservatism. Similar to the rabidly extreme evangelicals in our country.

                        • 15 votes
                        #10.1 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:32 PM EDT

                        Conservative: adj. 1. Favoring preservation of the existing order. 2. Moderate; cautious. 3. Traditional

                        Liberal: adj. 1. Favoring individual freedom and nonrevolutionary reform. 2. Broad-minded or tolerant. 3.Generous; bountiful.

                        • 12 votes
                        #10.2 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:38 PM EDT

                        Conservatism generally means unable to accept change, to resist progress, and to go back to some long ago time when rules of compassion and liberal behavior did not exist, when greed and injustice prevailed. Much the same as the Republican ideology of today.

                        But yet we have changed and we have progressed under many a Republican President. So your statement has no bearing

                          #10.3 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:46 PM EDT

                          An even better definition of an even better group:

                          Libertarian: an advocate of the doctrine of free will

                          a : a person who upholds the principles of individual liberty, especially of thought and action

                          • 2 votes
                          #10.4 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:13 PM EDT
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                          These Taliban are the sub-human embodiment of pure evild horror. They must be exterminated. We cannot be afraid. We must exterminate them!

                          • 19 votes
                          Reply#11 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:11 PM EDT
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                          Comment author avatarmik-660488Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                          Too bad Obama is not as forceful against this as he was when he defended the attack in Lybia.

                          • 3 votes
                          Reply#12 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:11 PM EDT

                          Pure evil and horror. Decent people everywhere must rise up and exterminate the Taliban.

                          • 12 votes
                          Reply#13 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:12 PM EDT

                          Hard to justify an unjustifiable act.

                          • 16 votes
                          Reply#14 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:14 PM EDT

                          cowards and evil may they rot in hell

                          • 9 votes
                          Reply#15 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:14 PM EDT

                          "Shariah (Islamic law) says that even a child can be killed if he is propagating against Islam."

                          Can someone explain to me how our cultures are to find peaceful ground when Islam lives by these kinds of Shariah laws? I cannot comprehend how any reasonable person could justify this law under any circumstance and this is just one of many Islamic laws that I think are totally screw-ball crazy. It's becoming harder and harder every time I read something like this to give Islam the benefit of the doubt with respect to being able to live peacefully with other nations. I think of Malala and the other 2 children and wonder what they think about practicing a religion that is tied to Islamic laws such as this after what they have experienced.

                          • 22 votes
                          Reply#16 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:15 PM EDT

                          Please give your references from Islamic books because a your idol, Michael Savage, is a liar.

                          • 2 votes
                          #16.1 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:27 PM EDT

                          I asked a perfectly legitimate question and left myself open for an education from other posters and you come back with "your idol, Michael Savage, is a liar"? First- I don't even know who Michael Savage is (but I do now), and second- you assume he's my idol(?) because, what, I dare inquire about a topic that is obviously very sensitive to you? The quote referenced in my posting came straight from the lips of the Taliban 'spokesman' and that spokesman specifically referenced Islam and Shariah/Islamic Law so why are you asking me for references? You wasted a perfectly good chance to educate me but instead you chose to be a jerk. Thanks for participating. Next!

                          • 6 votes
                          #16.2 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:07 PM EDT

                          The Taliban made up that pathetic excuse to justify the shooting of Mala. Hiding behind the twisted interpretation of the Qu'ran. Women and Children are NEVER supposed to be killed, regardless of apostasy, or war. The Taliban and Al-Qaeda are pathetic cowards, and they're going to get what's coming.

                          • 5 votes
                          #16.3 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:06 PM EDT

                          Muslim/Islam & Taliban/Al-Qaeda are not the same! Just as in all the different Christian religions, different people put they're own spin on what they think it means and start a religion.

                          The difference is the Taliban & Al-Qaeda will kill you if you dare say differently! They came into power by killing off anyone who disagreed and by keeping their people ignorant of the rest of the world. Now, they are having a hard time keeping them ignorant, but they can still kill them!

                          • 1 vote
                          #16.4 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:04 AM EDT
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                          Comment author avatarJames Colliervia Facebook

                          What a bunch of chicken @!$%# cowards!

                          • 15 votes
                          Reply#17 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:16 PM EDT

                          Poor widdle Taliban, have to attack girls because they are stronger and more honorable than you will ever be. And now you have to lie. So, Allah and Mohammed are for liars now? That's what you've made your religion all on your own, a haven for liars and the cowardly. It's a pity since I know that there are Muslims who are neither.

                          • 16 votes
                          Reply#18 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:17 PM EDT

                          Maybe that is why the taliban oppose letting girls get an education, they realize that just like Malala and her friends women will come to power and change things. If women came to power my guess is the taliban would truly be in danger of extinction and there would be no more child brides so they, taliban followers, would have no wives to further propogate the country.

                          • 5 votes
                          #18.1 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:24 AM EDT
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                          These people are animals. As long as they continue to espouse their twisted idea of a so-called religion, they will never advance: not spiritually, not intelligently, and certainly not as a race. Cut off all aid. We should NOT be helping Pakistan and Afghanistan. Let them rot in their own sharia-sewage.

                          • 7 votes
                          Reply#19 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:17 PM EDT

                          Taliban, kill lots of children all the time. Maby at last the people will say enough killing.

                          • 9 votes
                          Reply#20 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:17 PM EDT

                          Taliban call themselves Muslims, but they don't act like Muslims. No matter how the Taliban might try to rationalize it, shooting a 14-year-old girl for wanting to get an education is an act of cowardice plain and simple. I am Muslim and I just don't understand the thinking of the Taliban. Islam tells us to be kind to our fellow human beings (even non-Muslims) and certainly does not condone the attempted murder of a young girl. Islam tells us to seek knowledge. The actions of the Taliban are completely contrary to that. Islam not only allows, but requires both men and women to learn. We should seek knowledge from the cradle to the grave.

                          • 1 vote
                          #20.1 - Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:28 PM EDT
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                          Comment author avatarJames Colliervia Facebook

                          @mik...yeah...just like Bush defended the twin towers....

                          • 4 votes
                          Reply#21 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:17 PM EDT

                          What did anyone do to defend the twin towers? Blame Bush for something radical islamist did...tighten the tin foil hat it is windy outside.

                          Next

                          • 3 votes
                          #21.1 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:37 PM EDT

                          Notsosure: James was just responding to mik-660488 ignorant remark: "Too bad Obama is not as forceful against this as he was when he defended the attack in Lybia."

                          1. Obama never defended attack in LIBYA (spelling)

                          2. The father of our Ambassador who died there has requested that everyone STOP using his son's death as a political weapon. Mik, how about showing some respect for our dead ambassador and his family's request?

                          • 11 votes
                          #21.2 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:44 PM EDT
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                          This is the country that obama gives Billions upon billions of our American tax dollars too.

                          Is there anyone left in the US, except obama, that supports these people?

                          This country is clearly on the wrong track...

                          • 5 votes
                          Reply#22 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:18 PM EDT

                          commonsenseisn't- Your common sense has failed you, the United States has been sending foriegn aid to Pakistan for years, way back beyond Obama and even Bush's reign. I doubt that Obama is any more of a supported than Bush, Clinton, Geo, H Bush, and the Presidents before them were. If we are on the wrong track, the response would depend on who you ask. I for one have great confidence in this country in-spite of those that continue to cry"the sky is falling-the sky is falling"!

                          • 8 votes
                          #22.1 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:37 PM EDT

                          It is worth pointing out that whether or not we like Pakistan, they DO have nuclear weapons and I for one would not like to see them fall into the hands of the Taliban/Al-Quaida. This is a case of "keep your friends close and your enemies closer".

                          It sucks that we have to give them money but cash carries far less "cost" than nuclear bombs. That being said I hope that the plight of Malala and her two friends cause moderate Muslims to rise up and throw off such forms of "conservatism".

                          • 3 votes
                          #22.2 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:43 PM EDT

                          Actually, the Obama govt has cut aid to Pakistan because they haven't done enough to put the taliban and al qaeda out of business. The Pakistani govt has complained everytime Obama has allowed drones to bomb the Swat area of their country.

                          • 2 votes
                          #22.3 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:28 AM EDT
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                          I don't think Allah or Mohammed would kill a 14 year old girl just for the sake of wanting to learn and having equal rights . Just a bunch of twisted men.

                          • 9 votes
                          Reply#23 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:18 PM EDT

                          I don't think Allah or Mohammed would kill a 14 year old girl

                          No, Muhammad would rape and then marry her and Allah would bless him.

                          • 4 votes
                          #23.1 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:28 PM EDT

                          Kate, please share with all of us fact-checked substantiations for your statement.

                            #23.2 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:06 AM EDT

                            yeah Kate plz share, plz share.......

                              #23.3 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:51 AM EDT

                              Hey Kate, don't forget the christian god. He knocked up a 12 year old Jewish girl and told someone else to marry her. Look it up, it's in the Protoevangelion of James. It clearly says she was visibly pregnant when she was "not yet 13 summers old".

                                #23.4 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:52 AM EDT

                                Bill: Oh yes he would. Please see my posting above about the Quran.

                                • 1 vote
                                #23.5 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:45 AM EDT

                                rradiko: See my posting above about the Quran and decide for yourself.

                                • 1 vote
                                #23.6 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:52 AM EDT
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                                Wow. You know they screwed up when even the Taliban feels the need to justify their actions in something other than the Koran. Usually when attacks are made, they're falling all over themselves to bathe themselves in the holy righteousness of their actions, but this time, they're trying to give a relatively secular argument in that this child is somehow a spy for the US seeking to stir up trouble.

                                Perhaps this may end up being the turning point, where the Taliban starts becoming less popular in Afghanistan or in Pakistan, and a true revolution against this murderous group can really take place.

                                • 10 votes
                                Reply#24 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:19 PM EDT

                                Makes me wonder where these children got the signs that are written in English...The girls that are uneducated. Did the govt. give them to try to calm our outrage so that the money keeps flowing in their direction, or is this really a true uprising against little Malala? I'm just wondering....How bad do these people really feel for this injured child? Or....Is this an appeasment effort on the part of the govt.?

                                  #24.1 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:07 PM EDT

                                  And you base this off a few pictures that you see in the media Michael L-

                                  And Colorblind they want us to see what they have to say.... I'm sure you'd have done your homework too in a multi lingual country as this......

                                  Just a warning: there 6.7 muslims for every american.......

                                  And if a group of Muslim People Rally then its a big deal to them (just saying)...

                                  Type in your search engine happy muslim images.......

                                    #24.2 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:10 AM EDT

                                    Colorblind, these girls have perhaps been taught English, just like kids in a lot of foreign countries are. The US needs to consider teaching foreign languages, such as Spanish, and Mandarin Chinese in elem. schools.

                                      #24.3 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:33 AM EDT

                                      Colorblind, these girls have perhaps been taught English, just like kids in a lot of foreign countries are. The US needs to consider teaching foreign languages, such as Spanish, in elem. schools.

                                        #24.4 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:34 AM EDT

                                        We should now try to blow up the previously unknown Taliban commander Ustad Ahmad Farooq for his statement and make him famous.

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                                        #24.5 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:19 PM EDT
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                                        Hopefully an insane attempt to justify shooting young girls will add to the unrest and hatred of the Taliban. These people need to rise up and do something for themselves, instead of relying on others for everything. Wow, I say that about our liberals in this country too.

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                                        Reply#25 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:19 PM EDT

                                        I can tell by your handle what feeds your brain. Thank God there is no corporate welfare, no corporate tax breaks no protection from foreign cheating in markets no tax dollars to build roads to their businesses no tax benefits when they move their corporate offices out of the country abandoning US citizens for slave labor in 3rd world countries

                                        ...etc.

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                                        #25.1 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:18 PM EDT

                                        Brewsky: This young woman/child has more balls than you could ever imagine having! She spoke up knowing her life would be at risk. You 'men' speak up from the comfort of your home with a frig full of beer and say 'they should do something for themselves'?!?!?

                                        They have been trying to do something for themselves. You just haven't been paying attention! I'd like to see any of you bozo's say what you think is right with a gun at your head, or the threat of being stoned to death! You obviously have no clue what these people have endured.

                                        Now, that you are listening, what are you going to do, leave the women & children to fend for themselves!?!? You're good!

                                        Go have another one, and another, and another!

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                                        #25.2 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:36 AM EDT
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