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Janet Hamlin / AP
Guantanamo prisoner Ramzi Binalshibh, right, sits with a court translator and his lawyer Navy Lt. Cmdr. Kevin Bogucki, left, during a Military Commissions pretrial hearing for five prisoners accused of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, at the U.S. Naval Base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, on Tuesday.
The military tribunal of 9/11 terrorism suspect Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four co-conspirators resumed in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba on Tuesday, plunged into arguments over one of the thorniest subjects that the court must iron out before the trial — whether the suspects can talk about their detention and harsh interrogation in secret CIA prisons prior to their transfer to Guantanamo Bay in 2006.
The men are accused of planning and providing logistical support for the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks by hijackers who crashed planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania, killing nearly 3,000 people.
Mohammed and the other four who are portrayed as his underlings face charges that include terrorism and murder, and they could be sentenced to death if convicted.
This week’s proceedings hear arguments on 25 pretrial motions dealing mainly with privacy issues and the detainees' rights, and set the ground rules for the trial which is likely at least a year away.
Prosecutors have asked the judge to approve what is known as a protective order intended to prevent the release of classified information during trial.
The gag order prohibits mention of what the defendants experienced or learned during their interrogation because the tactics used on them were classified.
The defense argued that the government gave up the right to keep interrogation tactics classified when they exposed the defendants to the process.
They mainly object to one portion of the order, which says that, "Any statements made by the accused are presumptively Classified Information." The defense teams believe that that is too broad a statement, and that there is no such thing as "presumptive classification" — that information is classified or not.
The judge, Army Col. James Pohl, pushed back on their argument, saying that both sides agree with the definition of what is classified and what is not, and that the attorneys are required not to disclose new information they deem could be classified.
"We're not talking about what you had for lunch today," Pohl said.
Janet Hamlin / AP
Merrilly Noeth, a relative of a victim of the Sept. 11 attacks, is pictured watching from behind sound-proof glass on the second day of the Military Commissions pretrial hearing for the five men accused of planning the attacks, at Guantanamo Bay U.S. Naval Base in Cuba, on Tuesday. Only two of five suspects were present in the second day of the proceedings--Yemenis Walid bin Attash and Ramzi Binalshibh.
But an attorney for Ramzi Binalshibh argued that issues just that mundane do become a hindrance, citing an example from defending another detainee.
After several hours of arguments against the protective order, the judge did not rule on the motion to strike the gag order Tuesday.
First Amendment appeal
Instead, Pohl moved on to hear arguments from First Amendment attorney David Schulz, on behalf of 14 U.S. news organizations seeking to report on legal proceedings at Guantanamo — classified information or not.
Schulz argued that the gag order should be lifted because the information about what happened to the defendants during their interrogations has been widely reported in the media.
"The New York Times is not a classification authority," Pohl shot back, saying that just because something is reported in the news or widely known doesn't mean it's now unclassified.
Schulz argued that the use of the 40-second delay switch also violates the First Amendment, but Pohl dismissed that, as well, saying that the switch can prevent the release of classified information that is inadvertently disclosed.
ACLU attorney Hina Shamsi was next to argue for more open proceedings, saying that when issues such as rendition and torture are under discussion, the public has a right to know about it.
Shamsi added that the public should be able to determine for themselves whether punishment is justified, the decide on the lawfulness of government actions with the defendants, and the overall fairness and legitimacy of these proceedings.
The judge stopped her there, saying the court would recess for the day to respect the defendants right to afternoon prayers.
The court will take up this argument again at 9am Wednesday, when the ACLU attorney will continue her arguments.
Last minute boycott
All five of the men were at Monday’s hearings, but on Tuesday, Mohammed, Saudi defendant Mustafa Ahmad al-Hawsawi and Pakistani national Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali all bowed out. Walid Bin Attash and Ramzi Binalshibh, both from Yemen, did attend.
Mohammed, who has previously claimed he was the mastermind of the terrorist attacks, was taken from his cell at the U.S. base in Cuba to a holding cell outside the courtroom, then chose to boycott at the last minute, said a Navy officer whose name was not released by the court for security reasons.
He did not give a reason for sitting out the Tuesday hearing, but on Monday he dismissed the military tribunal with scorn, saying "I don't think there is any justice in this court."
Pohlruled Monday that the defendants have the right to be absent from this week's pretrial hearings, but said they would have to attend the trial.
The chief prosecutor, Army Brig. Gen. Mark Martins, had argued that the rules for the special war-time tribunals known as military commissions required the defendants to attend all sessions of the court.
But lawyers for the men disagreed, arguing that the threat of being forcibly removed from their cells would be psychologically damaging for men who had been brutalized while held during their captivity by the CIA.
The U.S. government has acknowledged that the defendants were subjected to "enhanced interrogation techniques" which in some cases included the simulated drowning method known as waterboarding.
"Our clients may believe that ... 'I don't want to be subjected to this procedure that transports me here, brings up memories, brings up emotions of things that happened to me,'" said Jim Harrington, who represents Binalshibh.
Harrington's statement elicited groans from a small group of family members of Sept. 11 victims who were chosen by lottery to view the proceedings at Guantanamo. A few other families watched the proceedings on closed-circuit TV from U.S. military bases in New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts and Maryland.
Defendant dress code
Also on Tuesday, the court dealt with what the detainees are allowed to wear in court.
The attorney for Mohammed, U.S. Army Capt. Jason Wright, explained that his client wants to wear a military-style camouflage vest over his traditional attire. He argued that Mohammad wore military-style clothing when fighting against the Soviets for the U.S. government in Afghanistan, so he has a right to do so in this courtroom, as well. Not allowing him to wear it undermines his presumption of innocence, the attorney argued.
Pohl said that the defendants would not be permitted to come into court in a complete U.S. Army uniform, but, he would not forbid all camouflage.
The five men were arraigned in May, and subsequent hearings were pushed back for various reasons.
A hearing in July was postponed to allow the defendants to observe the holy month of Ramadan. Hearings in August were delayed when an Internet outage left the lawyers unable to access their electronic legal documents. That hearing was later canceled altogether as Tropical Storm Isaac approached.
A hearing scheduled for late September was also delayed because the work space for the defense lawyers was shut down due to a rat infestation and mold, which lawyers claimed were making them sick, Reuters reported.
Pohl ruled on Oct. 5 there would be no further postponements to the hearings.
An earlier attempt to try the five men at Guantanamo ended when the Obama administration tried to move the trials to New York City, where two of the hijacked planes slammed into the World Trade Center.
That was abandoned under pressure from Congress and from New Yorkers, and the charges were re-filed in Guantanamo.
NBC News' Kari Huus and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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The two people who should stand trial for 9/11 are Bush and Cheney, well and luck Larry Silverman, the owner of the buildings. But of course that will never happen, they found their scapegoats, the propaganda machine had everyone begging for revenge and freedom fries instead of facts, so the real criminals will not only get away with it, they got a big fat paycheck from the American tax payers.
Only a fool would believe or follow such a shallow doctrine as your own. You have no proof of anything you say, except the fact that you perhaps have forgotten your medications, I'd suggest reading the 109 verses in the Quran the preach violence against any non- muslim, that includes buddhist, catholics, jews, ... the thought you wouldn't have the oppurtunity to speak your mind in such a country as Iran unless fully supporitng their government like a puppet, you'll forever be the sheep of society.
"Kill them all, God will recognize his own." ~Arnaud Amaury
You ate paint chips as a child, didn't you?
The sheep are the fools who believe the propaganda being spewed by the MSM (and yes Fox is part of the MSM). The battleship Maine was not sunk by "spanish terrorists", we knew about Pearl Habour in advance, the USS Maddox was not fired upon in the Gulf of Tonkin, Saddam's troops never threw any premature babies out the window of the childrens hospital in Kuwait, and 9/11 was an inside job. If you believe any different then you deserve everything "they" have planned for you.
you,deprogrammer, need to see a Oophorectimist soon, very soon-----
I think, deprogrammer, it has always been people like you who have actually pulled the trigger or sent the letter bombs. Go see a shrink man, and stop believing everything you read.
Elvis is still alive.
Soylent Green is People!
Where's my tin-foil hat.
Wow. I didn't know that you had access to computers and the internet when you are in a mental institution. By your thought patterns I can see you are getting no better.
and one final thing
Mitt Romney is selling this country to Communist China. http://www.salem-news.com/articles/october112012/romney-us-flag-tk.php
So De-programmer you must believe in fairy tales also. You sound like you have been brain washed by the President of Iran, he keeps coming out with the same ridiculous crap that you are spewing. You have got to be from the Middle East, you surely are not American. I wonder if you really know how stupid you make yourself look. Maybe you should get a job or a hobby, obviously you are bored and have nothing better to do than come up with such idiotic remarks.
The Freedom Fries had absolutely nothing to do with these prisoners nor with the Iraq war. Freedom Fries came when americans decided France was being treasonous because they did not believe the Bush Administrations claim of Iraq having Nuclear weapons and nuclear plants in construction which later turned into WMDs or chemical weapons. It turned out that France was right. The Bush called every nation that did not agree with him at the United Nations cowards with yellow streaks running up their spines and made the claim that any nation that was not with us supported terrorism. France declined and was not intimidated thus the claim that they were treasonous and to the point they wanted to rename french fries, Freedom fries in retaliation.
This claim was proven to be true when after Operation Desert Shield/Operation Desert Storm, came to an end. The very incubators the Kuwaitiis claimed the Iraq military stole after tossing the babies to the floors and walls, were found hidden in the very hospitals that the claims stemmed from. Nor were innocent people lined up at trenches and murdered as claimed but the Kuwaitiis themselves emptied their own jail cells and lined up the prisoners and executed them and used those murders as proof of Iraqi atrocites.
Actually the claim was proven to be false when it was found that the woman who made that claim was not who she claimed to be either. Boy the wingnuts just don't know when to give up on an already exposed lie.
And not to change the subject but speaking of wingnuts and lies........
Caleb Hesse, 52, is a well known anti-gay activist and former elementary school teacher. He has been charged with four lewd acts on a child. The investigation is in its early stages and incidents of abuse going back to 1987 have been reported, but that is by no means a cut off point for Hesse's abusive history and authorities are encouraging anyone with knowledge of past abuses to please contact them. Some of Hesse's victims may now be 40+ years old.
The former youth group volunteer confessed to police that he had "inappropriate" contact with children over the last three decades, with the most recent sexual abuse happening in the last week. Many of the abuses took place at summer camps hosted by the Evangelical Free Church of Yucca Valley where Hesse was an active participant and supervisor since the early 1980s.
Deprogrammer I thought you said lunch was over, please go back to screwing up the electrical engineers.
I feel some replies to you have been 'overly stated', yet i understand the emotions behind their statements. I do agree you have not offered any proof of your opinions, but neither have the other respondents. The Bay Of Pigs is a historical fact, The Gulf of Tonkin misinformation of the N. Viet attack on a US Ship which initiated the US entrance in to the Vietnam Conflict is now historical fact....yet you yourself did not provide any facts that support your supposition that the US Gov. was behind the 9/11 horrors. These former US war instigations have no direct tie to 9/11. I have seen 'movies' suggesting that the 9/11 attacks were US Gov initiated but the 'historical fact' certainty is not yet a certainty. We all will have to wait, as we did with the 'Kennedy Assassination' . Until then may I humbly suggest you clearly state your assertions as your personal 'opinions' rather than using previous historical incidents to validate a yet unproven one.
if it wasn't an inside job then
why did WTC building 7 fall? fire? only two other structures of that magnitude have ever fallen cause of fire, they both happened the same day as WTC 7.
why was no fuel found where flight 93 crashed? better yet, why weren't any bodies or plane parts recovered from that site? the whole thing was obliterated and yet they try to tell us that a handkerchief and id's, two very weak items in comparison to jet engines, were not only the only things found but were perfectly intact.
why were supposed parts of 93 found 6 miles away if it crashed and wasn't shot down?
why was explosive residue found in the dust from the twin towers? more importantly why did NIST say there were no explosives when they didn't even test for them and admitted they didn't?
why did we immediately sell off the debris from these sites instead of investigating? they got rid of all the evidence and got paid for it too.
if you're not asking questions you're a sheep. those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it. lusitania, tonkin, iraq, pearl harbor, i think we've repeated ours enough. it's time to stop it.
as far as proof it's hard to get when there's been no official investigation worth a damn. there are a hell of alot of things that don't make sense though, too many for what they are telling us to be factual.
HATR - those all all good questions, and I would like to know the answers as well, but to blindly say that not having an answer (one way OR the other) = inside job is a bit short-sighted. Rain used to be attributed to the Rain Gods, because the real answer was unknown. . At the time. And then there's the crop circles....
I agree these questions should be looked into. By independent researchers. And when enough reach the same conclusion, we may know. But not knowing does not equal conspiracy.
Did they have something better to do?
the fact that the NIST lied about the residue does mean it was a conspiracy.
how about this fact
the buildings that fell all fell in free fall for at least a short period. the towers did so even below where the planes hit. a building can't fall in free fall unless part of it below the top has been removed or destroyed because it would hit the rest of the structure. WTC 7 fell in free fall for over 100 feet or 8 floors. the only way that happens is if the reports of explosions inside the buildings, including the one that wasn't hit by a plane, were true. also, buildings collapse towards the side of the damage yet all the buildings fell straight down, not to any side angle, which only happens in a controlled demolition. there are just too many discrepancies between what they say and what is already known to be possible.
First of all Deprogrmmer, you are an Idiot! Second, what has the American Civil Liberties Union have to do with this? The defendants and neither Americans, or Civil and Thirdly deprogrammer your picture doesn't do you justice, you are ALL PIG!
actually "westerncraig" that is a picture of rush Limbaugh, and if you are being tried by Americans the American Civil Liberties Union has everything to do with it, just ask Rush Limbaugh who called begging the ACLU to help him out when he got in trouble for drugs (he probably will again when he finally gets busted for screwing underage boys in El Salvador) and "thirdly" calling other posters derogatory names will get you thrown off of newsvine.
well lunch is over, I will leave you unemployed wingnuts here to fight amongst yourselves, I'm back to keeping the world safe for capitalism.
So you work at McDonalds eh?
No i am the safety director for an electrical engineering firm, fooled ya didn't I.
That was very fast thinking on your part pig face, but you really do not expect intelligent people to believe you, now do you?????
why margaret, do you know some?
Hang them for being who they are anyway, these people didn't accidently land in Guantanamo, idiots like deprogrammer or conspiracy theorist will say someone else did it or it can't be proved these men had anything to do with it. Islam is a militant religion. These men are terrorist. It wasn't Islamic Pacificist (I know there is no real thing as a peace loving muslim) who flew planes into the world trade center, or strap bombs on their chests and walk on a bus because of they are jewish or american. Understand Islam preaches violence against non muslims, hang these guys, wrap them in bacon and throw their bodies in bags of rocks to unknown parts of the sea.
Just take the sons-o-bitches out and shoot them. They are going to die from old age before they are tried. I believe in justice but, you know, it has been over 11 years since all those men, women, and children died. They didn't have a choice as to what happened that day in September 2001. Call me norrow minded if you like, but just SHOOT THEM and give the victims their justive. It seems that we care more about the criminal than victims and that is just wrong!
It's so funny how everytime a person sees that there is something not adding up then they cry conspiracy theorists! How is it that everyone buys into all of the crap the media puts out there? Seriously there are so many unanswered questions for the 9/11 attack how could it be anything but an inside job?
it's funny how all muslims are now evil, kinda like in world war 2 when all japanese people were evil. hate is a powerful thing.
Yeah sad thing is it wont end there. We will be nuked, hunted and killed soon enough all in the name of protecting the interests and safety of the american people. The NDAA, the patriot act, the Iraq and Afghanistan war all prove where we are going. America will never kill us though, it will be the nation after america that is much stronger, that will truly threaten us muslims. They wont threaten us by weapons but by number, but even then, they too will fail
I'm just loving all this.....with any luck, the judicial system will stretch this out another 30 years and these a-holes will die at Gitmo.....misson accomplished.
Obama should stand trial he is a Muslim and American hater. He is the reason America is going down the toilet
Where have you been in the past 16 years??????
dont we have some menangitis meds that are bad give them a flu shot and lets see what happens cheaper for the american public and maybe they can suffer along the way
deprogrammer...I bet you think Elvis is still alive too. You like those conspiracy theories, do ya?
How perfect--a kangaroo court, convened to adjudicate a pig circus...(9/11 was an inside job)
Deprog and Astonding - let the system handle this
Astonding - to "Hang them for being who they are anyway..." is the mentality we strive to be above. Any less and you become the people you preach to hate
Deprog - I agree "the propaganda machine had everyone begging for revenge and freedom fries instead of facts..." but that is a natural kneejerk reaction. The conspiricy is a pretty big pill to swallow without hard cold facts.
And to everyone else, TRY not to let your personal politics get in the way of facts. The "Us vs. Them" we have become is both embarrassing and weakening us as a nation, so if we keep it up, none of this will matter soon.
That's right, we are all the same people, Islam is wholeheartedly to dedicated to destroying everything non-muslim. We aim to be above many things, but give me an example of one nation, one kingdom, one land, that hasn't had to defend itself from something or someone at a point in time.
The system will handle it, obviously, but my vote, is exactly as aforementioned.
yes, let the system handle this
move on, nothing to see here
the system never railroads people it wants to see convicted.
One thing at a time. First, guilty or not guilty of terrorism and murder. Then address the treatment during detention. If crimes were committed, the charges should be answered to, no matter who committed the crimes. Treatment in detention has no bearing on whether they committed the crimes or not prior to being captured or arrested.
@gun - The fact that you bring up Obama being a Muslim shows how bigoted you are (and ignorant... he's a Christian). His religion is irrelevant and doesn't preclude him from being a peaceful person. You're certainly entitled to your opinion on how he's handled the country... but implying that because he subscribes to a specific belief system he is automatically a bad person is closed minded and, again, ignorant.
How perfect--a kangaroo court convened to adjudicate a pig circus. (9/11 was an inside job)
These muslim SOB's have more rights than American Citizens.....Wake up America.!!
If any good is to come from the trial and conviction of an Islamic terrorist, the execution will need to be performed Black Jack Pershiing style. Tie them to a stake next to a big hole. Have the firing squad dip their bullets in freshly slaughtered pigs blood. Then throw their dead worthless carcasses in the hole along with those freshly slaughtered swine and covered over to be forgotten. Film every second of it and send the film to Al Jazeera for broadcast along with the warning to these animals of the same fate awaiting them if they don't chill out.
When Pershing commanded US forces in the Phllipines, he did exactly that when the Moros were causing problems. Differing only in the method of sending the message. He kept one of them alive to deliver the message to his brethren. It solved the problem.
"Can I have my hooks back!"
Uhhh... no jackass, you didn't exactly offer anything to the victims before you killed them.
This whole kangaroo court is a joke. Any possible wrong doing by anyone in government is considered "Classified Information". All this dancing around to avoid any feelings of guilt before putting a bullet in these POS's head. I think they should kick these terrorists out of a plane at 20,000 feet and let Alla save them.
11 years and the trial is just now getting underway ? I think I know how to trim some of the waste in our government.
I just paid to go to a beach resort that is only 90 miles from Gitmo; why WOULD they go to NYC this time of year?
This is a prime example of how lax this Government has become, and it shows in every think they Ignore that is important to us as American's. Most important is the Immigration Laws, and the granting amnisty to 850,000 more Idiot's that can not figure out how to tie their shoes in the morning, let alone how to take care of the 15 to 20 kid's they have just through at America, and wanting our jobs, even though they don't know how to tie their own shoes. Now they are wanting us on top of every other freebie given to them, they are expecting us as American's to Educate them too. What a bunch of Obuma Horsr- Sh**!
If this isn't the dumbest thing I have read all year, I don't know what was, listen to this.
"The men are accused of planning the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks by hijackers who crashed planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania, killing nearly 3,000 people.
All five defendants face charges that include terrorism and murder and could be sentenced to death if convicted at trial.
And yet these murdering islamists are allowed to walk around our nation while they are awaiting sentencing or trial or whatever.
Can you friggin believe these people? TERRORISTS WHO HAVE MURDERED A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE, been caught, found guilty, and yet these scumbags are walking around our country free.
I dont think they've been found guilty yet. Hence the whole "trial" thing.
Or do you belive in the whole The-neighbor-said-yoiu're-a-witch-so-let's-burn-you?
(Mind you, it seems pretty airtight they are guilty, and if so, let's have some fun with the punishment, shall we? but follow due process or we are just as guilty.)
hmm..
Mohammed, who has previously claimed he was the mastermind of the terror attacks, did not give a reason for sitting out the Tuesday hearing, but on Monday he dismissed the military tribunal with scorn, saying "I don't think there is any justice in this court."
I am so glad to see our due process in action, giving these terrorists the opportunity for justice and how the self-proclaimed mastermind of the attacks is still walking on this earth(extreme sarc.)
But lawyers for the men disagreed, arguing that the threat of being forcibly removed from their cells would be psychologically damaging for men who had been brutalized while held during their captivity by the CIA.
oh and going to work and having a plane flown into your office and collapsing the twin towers isn't psychologically damaging to this entire country...America gets what it deserves for giving this trash a place in court. and no, i don't feel better then they are. if the proclaim responsibility for the attacks than they all deserve to die. terrorists around the world are laughing at us.
Just take this scum out and shoot them. What is the American Civil Liberties Union doing...taking sides it seems? What a dog and pony show this will be.
Like all cockroaches, they only operate in the dark and run from daylight. They know they are doomed, which ever way the "trials" go. They are dead men walking, never to be trusted again by their handlers. Should they be acquitted they will be suspected as moles if they ever get back home. The sooner they vanish the better. Dump them in the ocean, like bin Laden.
I don't really care how they were treated in prison. And I don't think it's the public's business either. Leave that information in the military confines of Gitmo.
We are treating these criminals far better than their country would treat our people. They are still alive. Any of ours would have been long dead......
Let them all rot in he&&
Bush should have been impeached and be tried for crimes against humanity
"Prepare the people to believe a lie
they will think it's the truth."
"It's the oldest tool of
power. If you're distracted by fear of those around you, it keeps you from
seeing actions of those above." X FILES SERIES.
Here
are some facts not being told to us.
Bush was demanding Dubai Ports World a company owned by the
Arab Emirates guard our seaports. Have U.S. men guard seaports. Not an intelligent decision. Proof, of him
selling us out.
Phillip
Cooper is an expert on Signing Statements.
An author of "By Order of the President the use abuse of direct
action." By Coopers count of Signing Statements, 23 in 2001, 34 in
2002, 27 in 2003, 23 in 2004 with the raising total of 485 Constitutional
challenges to various provisions of Legislation that became laws.
As Bush
keeps saying they / we need a constitution for Iraq. Which is another tact so
we the people of the U.S.A. think or say. 'We feel sorry for these people they
do need a constitution.
This cannot
be the truth. Bush is stomping and breaking the backbone of our own U.S.A.
Constitution with his Singing Statements. Bush does not make Signing
Statements in public. He accepts a bill for law in front of the media and
congress. They all leave then Bush writes his interpretation of what should be
in the law by adding, taking things away and exempting himself and his cabinet
from these laws. This is a Dictatorship governing the U.S.A. and misuse of the
war time power.
Marvin
Bush the presidents’ younger brother was a principal in a company named
Securacom. Which provided security for The World Trade Center.
N.O.R.A.D.
- North American Aerospace Defend Command. Protect our skies from off course
jets etc. [EXAMPLE]; Such as when Payne Stewarts jet was off course due to
everyone died on board. Within 12 minutes there was two jets from NORAD to
investigate the off course jet. This was over a sparsely populated area over
swamplands in Georgia. NORAD had gotten the shoot down order.
N.O.R.A.D.
was founded in 1958 with the Colonel of the outfit whom orders the shoot down
order. www.public-action.com/911/noradsend.html
The
June before 9-11 Dick Cheney Vice President of the U.S.A. Head of the D.O.D.
(Department Of Defense). Signed a D.O.D. memo taking the power of the shoot
down order from the Colonel(s) in charge, putting the power of the shoot down
order in the hands of himself Cheney, Bush and Rumsfeld.
The
F.A.A. - Federal Aviation Administration is supposed to contact N.O.R.A.D.
immediately about all off course jets. This did not happen.
On 9
-11 Cheney had N.O.R.A.D. on practice maneuvers in three locations one being in
Alaska. Learning this, I understand why N.O.R.A.D. was not given the 'shoot
down order' for the off course jets of 9-11.
It's all very, suspicious. Looks like 9-11 was an inside job, it was too
clean
Later
on 9/11 there’s a passenger jet that flew into one of the towers while there is
another jet flying to the west coast turns around in the state of Ohio heading
east. This jet was off course 15 - 30 minutes. Common sense tells anyone there
is a jet in a Twin Tower shoot this other one down. This was the other jet that
flew into the other Twin Tower.
They
cleaned up the Twin Tower debris fast. It seemed they didn't investigate any
items or of possible evidence of an explosive material. Did nothing. Swept it
all up real quick. In comparison to one jet crash it takes weeks to investigate
and gather evidence. Also to identify bodies, who is who? They swept all body
parts up too?
Five
weeks after 9-11, the Patriot ACT was a proposed bill and signed into law this
same week. Bill number, HR 316RDS. 342 pages of legal words, (not everyday
words). Laws have codes, which are related to another law with codes. When a
law consists of a code / statute you look up that code and coincide it with the
other. It takes much research to find the whole meaning of one law. You may
need three or four different volumes of law statute books to find the meaning
of one law. The Patriot Act was passed by Congress as a response to the [so
called] terrorist attack of 9-11.
I saw the Patriot Act 342
pages. I am disgusted the government to think I could be ignorant enough to
believe all this was written in five weeks time.
Common
sense will make any human realize the Patriot Act could not have been written/
invented in such a short period of time. With all the research needed to
complete the Patriot Act. To me it would seem it would take one hundred
attorneys at least one year to conduce all this information within the Patriot
Act.
Five weeks? Are we the people that naive? Obviously most of
us are. A huge percentage of this act is against our U.S. citizens Civil
Rights. There really isn't much about foreign terror.
On 12-11-07 I had met a man that was in the Navy. 1994 just
when he was about to leave boot camp an officer stopped him. Handed him a 75
page document titled Patriot Act if he did not sign it he would be unable to
continue with a Navy career. Proof the Patriot Act was not made because of 9-11
as Bush said many times. Proof of another lie from Bush.
John
Conyers Jr. a Congressman, Democrat for Michigan. He was asked how congress
could have passed the Patriot Act without reading it? Conyers response
,"we hardly read any of the bills given to us."
Early
in 2006 on the History channel, it covered the White House knew about the
Japanese flying towards Pearl Harbor. Not warning anyone of this, because the
U.S. government in reality wanted to go to war in Germany. After Pearl Harbor
we were in world war 2. All
the information I gathered, it seems Bush, Cheney, etc. orchestrated 9-11 with
the same tactic as in Pearl Harbor, Twin Towers. Sacrificing lives at Pearl
Harbor as at the Twin Towers. No difference, same motive.
The motive to have an absolute excuse/action , was[the TWIN
TOWERS]. Therefore making most everyone believe to go to war. Even though it
was a U.S. plan as I think just as many others do. It was plan. The real
terrorists and architects for 9-11-01, points directly to the U.S.A.'s
Executive Branch. The Twin Towers was a mask for Bush to use Signing
Statements, promote the Patriot Act and go to war.
Cheney
is profiting from the war through the company Haliburton. Which is called 'War
Profiteering." This is against the law and inhumane too.
Notice,
Bush kept putting fear and hate in everyone’s head and heart.
It's hard to think our government would do
these criminal acts. Most of the U.S.
people think our government would never do such a thing. Which is the main
reason they got away with it.
Please
research any main topic the facts are unstoppable. Research "Project
For The New American Century."(Cheneys Monstrous) here you will see
what our government has in store for the U.S. and the rest of the world. It is
already happening.
Result of this thought process of 9-11 is appalling and insulting to the people
of the whole worlds intelligence and freedoms.
I
predict the deviates in our governments next plan will be some sort of attack
from the Middle East, where we have unknown control. The blame will be put on
Iran. That will be our next war. The reason, so the U.S. can rule the world.
They will continue to put fear in our hearts. And their goal for a One World
Order (illuminati plan) will continue. Which has started already.
Hopefully
with the grace of truth and positive thinking this will not happen. People
cannot have peace through war, you get peace with peace.
Bush
should have been impeached! He must go to trial for war crimes against
humanity. All changes he has made in laws and positions should be revoked do to
his ineptness as leader of our nation.
[The claim made by the United
States Government and the corrupt mainstream news media, that the disaster was
perpetrated by the bin Laden terrorist group, is probably false. After the
calamitous disaster, it was found that the steel columns at the base of the
elevator shafts had melted. A temperature of 2800 degrees Fahrenheit is
necessary in order to melt structural steel. Even with an ample supply of
oxygen burning jet fuel attains a temperature of a little over 1500 degrees
Fahrenheit.
Moreover, burning plastic and furnishings inside the towers
generated a great deal of black smoke, which was quite evident as it poured
from broken windows. This chemical reaction is known as the “wall effect” and
drastically lowers the temperature of the fire to about 500 degrees Fahrenheit.
This is why it was physically impossible for burning jet fuel to have melted
the steel columns, especially since falling debris from the collapsing floors
would have resulted in the basement region of the towers being an oxygen
starved area.] [Brian Desborough]
LOOK THIS UP TOO;
[The Myth and Reality by Brian Desborough THE SOUTH TOWER’S COLLAPSING!]
“If
people allow the government to decide which foods they eat, and which medicines
to take, their bodies and their souls will soon fall as ill as those who live
under tyranny."
"A government that governs least
is best because the people learn to discipline themselves."
-Thomas
Jefferson
The next 9/11 terrorist (sorry, I meant extremist), will stand trial just before the next elections.