did they really use the term "it has become more conservative"?? Um, theres no need to get PC... its become more sexually violent, murderous, and disgusting. it was always like that. dont tell me any muslim country was ever "liberal". i live in the middle east.

I'm not a conservative but if I was I'd be pissed at being lumped in with people like that.

I agree rockmebritney...that was my first thought. There is no liberal or conservative actions here. Only sick and disgusting people killing other humans.

They just drug em here..

@mad: ...I guess you overlooked the part where it was the victim's mother-in-law who ordered the boy to cut off the victim's head while she held her down. ...Bottom line: We don't want any of these people here, women or men! ...They're all crazy and we shouldn't be over there to begin with.

Our young soldiers are being killed there for what?

Revolting!

God Bless America!

WHY IN GODS NAME ARE WE IN THIS PART OF THE WORLD. We should leave the ME ASAP. The violence we bring only compounds their misery and it will never change.

Over ten yrs in this backward country, why are we still there? Oh I forgot we are after their mineral wealth on the part of Corporate America. We are Trillions of Dollars in debt and won't recover sqat. Let China have them, the Russians gave up on them more than a decade ago, apparently the lessons of history are lost in Congress.

Notice it was the mother in law that apparently started this whole thing? It isn't just the men, it's the entire culture.

Am I the only one having difficulty voting on comments today? Anyway, I was going to say that is some odd request from the mother-in-law: sleep with other men besides my son? No wonder the son was hesitant to murder his wife, and I never knew Muslims were so matriarchal that a mother's wishes over-rode her son's regarding his own wife. What a horrible way to die!

I also must admit that I actually thought the person in the middle of the photo was the wife, before she was murdered, and I wondered why they had shaved her head if they wanted her to be a prostitute. The guy seems so small and appears to be wearing a gown. Guess I'm not familiar with the culture.

I should mention, on behalf of the article writer, that "conservative" means you are trying to conserve the traditional culture of whatever culture you are in. It would mean something different in their part of the world than it does in ours, sort of like how Orthodox Jews have different beliefs from Orthodox Christians.

Beheading seems to be an Afgans answer to everything!!

Mad Plummer - you talk about education ... while I can't even understand most of your post because of misspelled words, wrong use of words, little punctuation, lack of capitalization, etc. Perhaps you should consider a little education for yourself if you want others to understand what you are trying to say.

As for the subject of the article, all I can say is, "What a world." :(

Wow, rroller63, you share the same ignorance and stupidity as the people in this story.

Just the mere fact that this was a story, with arrests, and finger pointing with shame and looking at their own murders as bad, and wrong, means this country is on its way to becoming more peaceful, that can change is a split second though...but hope is alive

please tell me that they do "eye for an eye", that aunt needs to be eliminated similarly to her crime...along with the cousin, to put him out of his life long misery of having that monster as his mother

idk....maybe there is no God for the middle east...maybe God wants wrath brought upon these people....i just don't know...it must be some magical force that makes them that way, because I just don't see how a country loves to soak in bloody pools of their own families blood.

And I ask WHY are we trying to save these crazy, stone age people? Get out of this country that's killing our soldiers and spending our taxpayer money - they are NOT worth saving - there is NO redeeming factor in their existence.....leave them to their ignorance and brutality! They won't miss us (but their greedy leaders will miss our money) and we sure as hell will never miss them!

In hind sight we should have followed the Reagan example and bombed the hell out of the locations where there were Al Quida and let it go at that. Then send anyone from the Middle EAst home and closed our immigrations to them. Instead we import more and more and more just waiting for a mass problem here and Obama wants to make them a protected class. Send him over there to lead them.

MARK S-971793

That was SICK.... Funny, but SICK....

Roller63

There is probably room for you on the next transport headed over there. The only thing worse than the ignorance of their culture that allows such thinking is the ingorance of some people here.

rroller is an Obama supporter....nuff said.

As to the horrific treatment of women, not unusual. In Islam, the wife is a virtual slave of the Mother-in-law, she must obey all the men in the family as well as the women, she is little more than a slave, to be used and abused and ultimately discarded if she objects to her enslavement. Ignorance, barbarity and stupidity are rife. Why do you think the Taliban is so opposed to women getting educated?

rroller63

So you have now taken up studing Religion? You seem to THINK you know what a Mormon is all about but you haven't got a clue.

Pick up a book sometime and read a few words... Who knows you might even enjoy it and learn from it.

FedUp-

Are you delusional? You blame this beheading on Obama? Get real!

Debt Destroyer - You're missing something here - you're trying to redefine a term to mean one thing (what you want it to mean), when it in fact can mean multiple things. In short, the way it is used is here is a valid use of the term. In this case, "conservative" describes those who adhere to old traditions and values - it is also being used to describe a society that is becoming less open to secularization and outside influences. Unfortunately honor killings and the like are a pretty traditional thing in that region of the world (it's also the kind of thing found a lot in the Old Testament, commanded by God.) And unfortunately, our efforts there don't seem to have had the liberating effect that we had hoped.

It has nothing to do with the Conservative political position in the western world - it's a pretty common term used to describe those types of cultures. If someone were to use "becoming more liberal" in the context you describe, they would be misusing the term.

Similarly, a more liberal society would be one that was less likely to condemn people for failing to live up to "traditional" values. Which can be good and bad. Just as a conservative society can be both good and bad (though in this case I think we'll agree that it's largely bad. On the other hand, early 20th century America was quite conservative and not so bad, unless you happened to be a racial minority, or gay, or...)

(One could also say that a society that is more accepting of pornography, violent media, non-traditional religious views, etc. is "becoming more liberal.")

Once again, this is standard usage that's not supposed to have the loaded implications that you give it here. I think pretty much all of us realize that Conservatives in the western world are horrified by these types of actions, and would strongly condemn them.

I'm usually all for marriage, but the result of this one was not optimal.

I love when the Republicans comment on articles like this. Their "Christianity" sure is a shining light. (Sarcasm)

rroller63

im sorry but what does this have to do with Utah? i missed something

FedupwithFed

Obama's done a BANG UP JOB of restoring order there....and here I thought he was all for the women!

for once since '08 ima stick up for Obama....

He is not their president, he is not their leader....you are wrong for thinking otherwise, and its that thinking that has destroyed all that was once good. these people in the ME are screaming from the roof tops to butt the *beep* out, and its you they are talking too...you think its the job of the USA to restore order as we see fit on the rest of the world....you are just as human as they are...you are not superior even if your morals are

Rontron

Over ten yrs in this backward country, why are we still there? Oh I forgot we are after their mineral wealth on the part of Corporate America. We are Trillions of Dollars in debt and won't recover sqat. Let China have them, the Russians gave up on them more than a decade ago, apparently the lessons of history are lost in Congress.

We didn't go to Afghanistan or Iraq for "mineral wealth", the mineral wealth in Afghanistan was discovered well after our troops were already there. The reason we went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the reason thousands of our brave, selfless soldiers died, begins and ends with one man, Dick Cheney. As secretary of defense under George H. W. Bush dick Cheney commissioned a little company named Halliburton to see if it was possible for a private company to handle all logistics of a war. Halliburton said yes, but we're the only company that can do it. Bush senior was beat by Clinton and then Cheney became CEO of that same company Halliburton. Fast forward to 2000, Cheney headed Bush Jr.'s vice presidential search committee, and surprise, came back with a recommendation of himself for vice president.

Within 24 hours of the attacks of 9/11 Cheney drew up contingency plans to invade Iraq based on bogus intelligence. He knew what weapons Saddam Hussein had, because we gave them to him under Reagan to fight the shah of Iran. When we went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan it was the first time in United States history that a private company outside of the U.S. military handled all logistics for a war, and that company was Halliburton. The icing on the cake is Halliburton received no bid contracts courtesy of Cheney and they ended up overcharging tax payers to the tune of trillions of dollars. The Iraq and Afghanistan wars were a scheme to make trillions of dollars orchestrated by the vice president of the United States of America. Cheney traded the lives of our service men and women, our entire economy, and the lives of countless civilians for corporate profit.There is a reason that Cheney has put out a book and is making the talk show rounds trying to re-write history, because he is scared he is going to hell for the blood on his hands. Well I got news for you Dick Cheney no amount of deception and lies can save you from eternal damnation, rot in hell you evil pos!!!

How sure can we be she was killed because she refused to become a prostitute. It sound more like she was asked to become a suicide lay for our GI's using her secret compartment. Fellow US soldiers avoid women in that place. Do not let that Afghan beauty entice you.

Hmm, lemme get this straight here. So..if a woman cheats on her husband over there, she is stoned to death, and if a woman over there chooses not to become a prostitute against her will, she is beheaded?! And by her very own family! What in the f***ing h*** is going on in these POS countries?! It's so easy for us to just, shrug our shoulders, or make jokes, or just shake it off. These horrendous acts are occurring so far away, it's easy to dismiss. But what if...just what if...when you were born..you just happened to be born from a mother living in Afghanistan, Iran, etc. I mean, we are ALL born from no choice of our own. We are born already white, already black, already Jewish, already Muslim. Somebody has got to something about these types of disgusting, despicable, unhuman acts of violence. Or by God, get the women and children outta those countries, make it a parking lot, and let them go back!!

Barbarians!

FreedomOfSpeechRules

I love when the Republicans comment on articles like this. Their "Christianity" sure is a shining light. (Sarcasm)

Im sorry but how is it that you think all Republicans are Christians? live in a box much

*somebody said Afgan beauty...for some reason that strikes me as an odd comment, but I dont know why...I guess if your from a murdering country I personally dont think that would be even close to a factor...but im a girl so who knows

Why didn't he and other males that want to make money out of pimping girls or females, change their genders and sexes, so they can prostitute and pimp out themselves instead? Can't see why women or girls would need so fool to make money from the work the girls and women do in bed with men or women? Some males suck big time when it comes to profiting from the work some girls and women do. Prostitution should be legal but taxed, so it can offer supervised work for sexual-workers and comprehensive healthcare and dental care. Limits the cost of prosecuting mainly the women and ignoring the affluent and non-affluent men.

And our young men are dying for these people??? We should burn all their poppy fields and leave.

rroller - As a liberal non-Mormon who lived many years in Utah, I must say that your description of what Mormons do and believe is rather inaccurate.

It is true that Mormon women (and men, after they go on their 2-year mission) receive a lot of pressure to marry - but if they don't, it's not like they're kicked out of their church. I knew several Mormon men and women in their 30s and 40s who had never been married - they did feel quite a bit of pressure, and some close-minded members were critical of them, but they weren't ostracized by their leaders or anything.

As for "they force their women to stay at home and pump out babies" - well, Mormons are a fairly conservative group as a whole, which means that they are more likely to adhere to traditional gender roles (something the church leaders tend to encourage, as evidenced by many of their General Conference talks and their "Proclamation to the World.") But each Mormon has the freedom to choose his or her spouse, and in most cases I think that those types of things are generally worked out before the marriage. Remember, some women want to stay at home and take care of their children - it's not like it's something their husbands force them into. Others don't want that, and so don't marry a husband who expects that.

Some husbands may be domineering, but that's true of some marriages in any group (Catholic, Lutheran, Jewish, agnostic, Buddhist, etc.)

I knew lots of married working Mormon women. I knew quite a few married Mormon women who had no children, and quite a few more who only had one or two. What you describe is a stereotype, and one that rarely matches the reality of modern Mormon families.

What is so amazing to me is that supposedly Islam wants their women covered up, escorted by a male relative when they go someplace, etc. and her husband and Mother in Law wanted her to prostitute herself? That's just the opposite of what i would think. and I suppose if she came up pregnant, they'd kill her for being a slut. SMH This is just so far from normal, its amazing.

if only Halliburton was never created.......our world would be a bit different.

Thanks for bringing that up

....Halliburton should be destroyed by the UN...and until they do something, the UN is evil too

I support training and arming Afghan Amazons to restore order.

JERSY GIRL 1

The situation worsens in the Middle East. We need a President who can deal with it as it comes, not lie to us over politics. Terrorists are growing and they look at the West as infidels and evil. The rest of the world needs to wake up and realize this is a serious problem that threatens all of us.

Exactly. You've provided yet another great reason why we should all vote Democratic down the ticket!!

Police said the arrests on Saturday include her mother-in-law, father-in-law, and her husband.

As incredible as it may seem, think about that. The in-laws of someone else are worse than yours!

Well, one must realize that Afghanistan is a feudal society, living with rules and traditions going back to about the 1500s or 1700s.

Leaders of the Soviet Union were convinced they could bring this agrarian, feudal society into the 20th century. After several years, billions of rubles, and thousands of lives, the Soviets had to leave with their butts dragging on the ground.

Years later, impaired politicians in the United States decided, "We can do a better job than the Soviets did." The result is the current mess in Afghanistan. Billions of dollars and thousands of lives, the U.S. needs to get out now, not later. By now, I mean the end of 2012, not some time in 2013 or 2014. We just need to pick up and leave. Burn or otherwise destroy what we cannot bring back or salvage. Just get out of Afghanistan ASAP.

No one on earth can drag a feudal society into the 21st century. It is not going to happen. It will not happen. The entire country of Afghanistan is not worth one more allied forces life.

I hope the miscreants in this beheading case are caught, prosecuted, and if found guilty, they should be emasculated and then executed by public hanging. Beheading would be too kind.

Many questions why we are there. We are all over the world with our empire for the RESOURCES. There can hardly be a worse leaders of a country than the Saudi family and yet we kiss their ass, arm them with modern weapons and on top of that pay a high price for their oil. Now we say the war in Iraq is over and yet we have 50,000 military there and about 100,000 mercinaries. The war is not over. The war in Afghanistan will not be over either because we insist we get our people into their politics as we have done elsewhere. That just makes enemies.

Our big screw up with Iran was going along with installing the Shah against the will of their people. That wound up pissing them off enough so as to allow the Mullahs to take over.

We could have paid Vietnam to go our way, instead we killed a lot of people, including our own, and wound up with nothing.

I refused to fight in Korea as it was obvious that what they were using our people for were hit men. They were no threat to us and the result is we made half of them into a threat.

No one likes a bully and since the end of WW2, we have been acting like one. Why do we have over a 1000 bases all over the world?

To Debt Destroyer and others who have objected to the term "getting more conservative" on a political basis.

Conservative, in this case, refers to "hearkening back to traditional values" as opposed to "fiscal conservative". It's an accurate usage, in the exact same way that calling the "Religous Right" here in the US conservative is correct. The usage has nothing to do with "liberal media" or election politics.

rroller63

You said it sickened you to see young (Mormon) women less than 24 (YO) with 6 or more kids as a reason not to vote for Romney because he's Mormon.

Have you been to the projects lately?

Yup... These poor mudslims are just totally peaceful...

Can't understand why libs hate bush so much for trying to free them from slavery...

Im sorry but how is it that you think all Republicans are Christians?

I'm guessing that belief comes from their entire party platform, their insistence to put "god" in everything, and their obsession with pointing out every time the democrats do not say the word "god".

But that is just a guess.

Conservative, conserver money (save money)

There is NOTHING conservative about the so-called "conservatives" in this country, in regards to money. The last "conservative" President spent more than any liberal before him, and Romney is already planning on spending MORE . . . adding $7 trillion to the debt. What is "conservative" about that?

In reality, neither party is "conservative" when it comes to money. They both spend like spoiled rich kids, with no plan to balance the budget. The tax policy center just released a report that stated that Romney will have to remove every single deduction from the middle class, and increase the taxes on the middle class, just to pay for his tax cut to the wealthy. That does not include the current debt or his plan to increase defense spending.

So again, what is "conservative" about that?

GreatJob12: I agree, Cheney/Haliburton is a large part of the reason we are in Afghanistan, and may be the only reason we were ever in Iraq, BUT as for the mineral wealth, you should see this: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html?pagewanted=all.

The article says that the Russians did a comprehensive survey of mineral wealth in their long, misguided attempts in Afghanistan. The surveys were lost, then "rediscovered" by Allied troops.

I doubt that the allied corporate interests want to leave the area to the tender mercies of the Chinese, who are already occupying part of Kashmir under the same rationale for their inroads into Tibet. (And, remember, in the 60's China and India had a border war.)

Once we are out of there, the Chinese will "realize" that Afghanistan is really part of China. They have a huge standing army and billions of civilians to pump into the area, and soon enough, Afghanistan will be Chinese, Taliban notwithstanding.

So, I say it is probably both/and: trying out the model of corporatized military and securing mineral development rights. The only snag is that the people are religious zealots with a tribal culture, and refuse to know what's the lesser of two evils.

Let the Chinese have at them. And maybe women will have a slightly easier time there.

This is shocking but nothing new. Sadly, atrocities like this happen ALL OVER the Middle East ALL the time-we just don't hear about it. But lest we think ourselves here in the U.S.A. above this kind of heinous acts, is not the kidnap and murder of Jessica Rigeway,the 10 year old little girl from Witt Elementary in Colorado this past week just as, if not more, gruesome? And who knows what her kidnapper's did to her before they chopped her body up and buried her in a backyard. Or the father in Washington (state) who chopped his two sons (ages 7 and 5) up with an hatchet, then killed himself before setting their house on fire--and who previously had killed his wife two years prior. Or what the theater shooting in Colorado that James Holmes unleashed? The mass-shootings at colleges. Religious dogma to blame? Sometimes--many times throughout history.

Our 9/11 Twin Towers will forever be etched in the memories of those who lost loved ones in that heinous act and we as a country, as will Timothy McVeigh's bombing of the Oklahoma Federal Building.

Terrorism? What is terrorism? Emotionally and politically charged? Terrorism involves violence or the threat of violence; there are over 100 definitions of terrorism; McVeigh is labeled a "Domestic Terrorist." And what of the emotionally charged gasoline fire, AK-47's and mortar attack in Benghazi? According to ABC News, "On Sept. 11, Stevens did not leave the compound because of security fears due to the 9/11 anniversary. He had arrived in Benghazi the day before with five guards in total. Two additional Diplomatic Security agents from Tripoli were with him in addition to the three agents normally detailed to the compound." The compound roughly the size of a football field, surrounded by 9 feet high reinforced walls (cement) with another 3 feet of concertina wire. No one "Just" walks inside a camp. But even our military seem to get attacked "inside the perimeter" in Afghanistan. Is this terrorism? Or do we just "Accept" this as "Acts of War" and "Collateral Damage"?

Is there a difference between loss of American (and our Allies) lives in Afghan and the loss of life of the four Americans in Benghazi? Or does being a casualty in war something our military "Accepts" when they sign the proverbial, dotted line? Are "civilian" lives more valuable than our service men and women's lives?

Anyone working overseas in ANY capacity, is subject to the calamity of circumstances in whichever country they are in--whether working or visiting. For no one is guaranteed one single minute of life anywhere, at anytime. Not even here in the United States.

What happened in Benghazi is nothing "out of the ordinary" in the Middle East. It is unfortunate that the compound was attacked. But the senseless kidnap and death of 10 year old, Jessica Rigeway in Colorado, USA is just plain gruesome.

A meeting of the 1% (and their money) to discuss strategy and manure…er…maneuvers concerning Foreign and Domestic Policy. Benghazi? Romney is still trying to make it look like the Twin Towers, only Romney isn't getting the wave of scandal he thought he would--mostly because it isn't even remotely close to the devastation that 9/11 in 2001 created. The Romney/Ryan GOP are desperately trying to make it "look" like another Twin Towers disaster, but even the parents of the American's who lost their lives don't want Romney/Ryan using their sons death for political gain. Romney tried to use it again in the last debate but got slammed for it wen he tried. He is so pathetic.

Oh yes, Libya. Did I mention that Libya has oil AND Natural Gas? Oil--it's always oil. Desert Shield/Storm was about oil, Kuwait's oil. Then it was Iraq for oil (Towers? Yes, that was a way in.) Afghanistan for Bin Laden and strategic placement of troops for land and water-way for supplies. And if Romney/Ryan and the 1% Go-To-War Constituents have their way, Libya is definitely on the table.

Sheesh, they behead women for being a prostitute and they behead them for NOT being a prostitute? Make up yer mind already! I think they just like beheading people???

fly over and secretly irradiate them till all the males are sterile...in one generation the world will be a better place after that.

Lets not get all high, and mighty over this. Just 2 days ago a pimp here in LA cut a prostitutes throat because she wanted to go back home to her parents...

She gets beheaded for not being a prostitute

and

Stoned to death if she does

Is there a future for this society?

To those who question why we are in Afghanistan, have you forgotten 9/11/2001? The mistake that was made was Bush/Cheney decided that Iraq was more important (lies about wmd), and although they left a few thousand troops in Afghanistan, most of our troops were sent to Iraq. What should have been done then was drop two or three nukes on the mountains in between Afghanistan and Pakistan which would have leveled the mountains with al qaeda and taliban in the caves. It might have even prevented the attempted killing of Malala had we done that. I can't think of any instances in the Bible where in-laws or blood relatives ever attempted to force their dil or daughter to become a prostitute. Yes, women who were found to be commiting adultery were killed.

his aunt told him she wanted the bride dead "'because she doesn’t listen to me.'"

Isn't that something?! She's dead, beheaded no less, because her mother-in-law said she didn't listen to her. That's all it took for her husband, his cousin and mother & father-law to kill her like that. I've always wondered if the problem in the middle east with dowry killing by fire, beheadings, daughter-in-laws having their noses cut off their faces because thier mother-in-laws just don't like them or feel they don't listen to or respect them enough is due to all the closely related husband and wives. (First Cousins) Part of their culture is to keep family close as they are the only ones they feel they can trust. Marriage to first cousins is totally acceptable and a lot of times arranged. If you think about it a first cousin is the same bloodline as a half sister or brother. I have a half brother and sister and tons of cousins and couldn't imagine doing something like that.

Has the mingling of blood so closely related, as a first cousin caused a genetic defect amongst these people who marry their first cousin? This practice has been going on for Millennia. Saddam was married to his first cousin and look how his kids turned out. Could this possibly be a reason why some middle eastern people are so radical and hell bent on death? Marrying someone so closely related has to cause some sort of mental, physical or genetic problem and if these people have been practicing this for thousands of years, just how many middle easterners are affected with this gentic flaw?

I use to go Belle Isle in Detroit and noticed the dear on the island had antlers that were not symmetrical at all. After I thought about all those dear stuck on an island it hit me. It was the incestuous relations the dear were having due to living on an isolated island.

It would be interesting if a study on the effects of incest was done to see what effects it has had on these people and how the practice of incestuous marriage, over the course of hundreds and possibly thousands of years, has had on those people. Also how far reaching it has been over the generations and how many are possibly effected by it.

Yeah, all the world's ills are because of Chaney...and Bush...halliburton and Rove.

Wait ! I know....let's blame ISRAEL !

The mistake we made re Afghanistan is being that , first, we could do what the USSR couldn't and, by extension, not realizing that neither we, nor anyone else, can do anything to or for these people, so long as the MAJORITY dont WANT change.

BUT, I digress. Obama is in Afghanistan, after 4 years, because HE wants to be there; if he didnt, we'd be out. He is in there for the SAME reason Bush was. Just like Obama promising to roll back Bush's tax cuts, and then reaffirms them - why ? because it was the right thing to do, but, of course, if Bush did it, it's wrong, but if Obama does the same thing, it's right.

You libs disgust me...just as I'm SURE we "conservatives" disgust you.

These women in Afghanistan are the true victims. Nothing we, or anyone else can do will change that so long as Karzai and Company WANT to remain in the 14th century. We cannot make the whole world a temple. We cant cure Afghanistan's problems any more than we can cure Sub-Sahara's.

Get us out NOW.

Madeline-4489650

GreatJob12: I agree, Cheney/Haliburton is a large part of the reason we are in Afghanistan, and may be the only reason we were ever in Iraq, BUT as for the mineral wealth, you should see this:

The article says that the Russians did a comprehensive survey of mineral wealth in their long, misguided attempts in Afghanistan. The surveys were lost, then "rediscovered" by Allied troops.

I doubt that the allied corporate interests want to leave the area to the tender mercies of the Chinese, who are already occupying part of Kashmir under the same rationale for their inroads into Tibet. (And, remember, in the 60's China and India had a border war.)

Once we are out of there, the Chinese will "realize" that Afghanistan is really part of China. They have a huge standing army and billions of civilians to pump into the area, and soon enough, Afghanistan will be Chinese, Taliban notwithstanding.

So, I say it is probably both/and: trying out the model of corporatized military and securing mineral development rights. The only snag is that the people are religious zealots with a tribal culture, and refuse to know what's the lesser of two evils.

Let the Chinese have at them. And maybe women will have a slightly easier time there.

Thanks for that! I wasn't aware that their mineral deposits were known before the war. I still don't believe it had any bearing over the U.S. invasion.

Why isn't our Nobel Peace Prize Prez getting our troops out of these middle east he]]holes??

DebtDestroyer, next thing you know concervative will mean child molestation?

It seems as if this is the case. We have priest an bishops mollesting little boys, and Boy Scout leaders doing the same and the church just transfers them to anorther parish where there is new victims. Finally the Boy Scouts have come out with the disgusting evidence they have been hiding for decades. Then you have the stuff Todd Akin has been spewing about women, rape and birth control.

So yeah it sounds like that's what concervitive means.

Evidently our military should be training and arming women over there, not the stoned half-wits and barbarians who make up the current male military force.

We should offer a trade: Charlie Manson for the women. We save the cost of keeping him locked up, and it sounds like he'd fit right in over there.

FreedomOfSpeechRules

Why is it that only LIBERALS can have freedom of speech?

Obama is the one who THINKS he is saving the Middle East...but in reality....

roadlesstraveled

FedupwithFed

Obama's done a BANG UP JOB of restoring order there....and here I thought he was all for the women!

for once since '08 ima stick up for Obama....

He is not their president, he is not their leader....you are wrong for thinking otherwise, and its that thinking that has destroyed all that was once good. these people in the ME are screaming from the roof tops to butt the *beep* out, and its you they are talking too...you think its the job of the USA to restore order as we see fit on the rest of the world....you are just as human as they are...you are not superior even if your morals are

He seems to THINK he is! Why, he knows whats BEST for EVERYONE! We are all just peons in HIS world.

I didn't say its OUR job to restore order there....BARRY thinks so!

Get off your superior high horse!

Since most marriages are arranged in places like this it was her immediate family, busy protesting after her death, that made her marry into this murderous family.

Madeline-4489650

Your so far off base it's not even funny.

Afghanistan is the only route from southern Russia to a year round sea port.

Thats why the Russians spent 20 years trying to take it over.

Reason?? Oil pipelines!

One year after the US attacked Afghanistan ( with just cause ) construction began on the first pipeline.

A French company did the work.

Currently our mission is to guard the pipelines, there are several now.

FYI Halliburton is owned by George Soros who contributes millions of dollars through his various companies to Barack Obama. How close are they? Soros was at Obamas fundraisers when he was just beginning in Chicago.

Big Deal! You say well consider this Halliburton has a no bid contract on the Gulf Spill clean up that US taxpayers are paying and BP must pay back. Also when Obama banned drilling offshore most of the equipment then moved to Brazil. George Soros owns a huge chunk of PetroBra, Brazils only oil company and guess what. PetroBra was having a hard time getting equipment for their offshore oil fields.

If you don't smell a rat then your to dumb to be posting here.

I really don't know who is more violent in Afghanistan anymore, the Taliban or the citizens. You would have to be colder than outer space to commit such a blood-bath act of horror and for the adults to force an 18 year old to commit the crime, what cowards. They have zero respect for life or women and it's no wonder since they learn to recite the koran right after their first baby steps.

4:34 of the Koran.

Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

Newlywed Afghan beheaded for her refusal to become prostitute

YEP!!!! Another 10 years of nation and Democracy building should just about fix all this.

TIME TO PULL OUR TROOPS OUT NOW!!!!!

But before we leave:

Carpet bomb every poppy field.

Inform Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran that we are opening a new alliance with India, and it's nuclear arms, just in case they decide to object.

Stop all foreign aid to all Middle East nations except Israel.

Announce we are opening up our public lands for oil and natural gas production, we will build 10 new refineries in the next 5 years and begin production of 50 new Thorium powered nuclear reactors.

This will get the Middle easts and OPECS attention.

rroller,,,, what a bigoted , idiot you are!!!....Just keep talking, soon no One will even listen to your tripe!!

This shows exactly what a book of love the koran is and that those who follow it are heartless!!

It was a tough decision, but today's award for "Lamest Comment of the Day" goes to, wait for it ...

GreatJob12!

Disgusting muzzfilth...

another "good" arab

Starderup..........

"War on women"............

Are you a woman? Are you? The only war on women in this country is the idiotic policies of treating them as second class citizens by promoting the "victim" mentality fostered by the democratic party. The ideology: You're too pitiful to support yourself; here, take these foodstamps. You're too pitiful to support yourself; here, have government housing. rroller - have you checked out how young are the mothers in the projects; and how many fatherless homes have multiple children - that the taxpayers support - not you; the taxpayers.

You're too pitiful to work; here, sit home all day in your government subsidized housing doing nothing. You're too pitiful to be of any use; here, don't try to go to work. Sign up for welfare; you can't do anything for yourself. Here, don't be productive or independent. Sit on your a$$; draw welfare; and you just depend on us. Just give us your vote and your undying affection. That's slavery. That's the war on women: Keeping them in servitude annd dependence.

So much for your alleged "War on Women". Democrats have done more to destroy the home that anything. Look at the home of those in the projects. How many two-parent homes are there? How many married people have children these days? LBJ has his part in this........

So all women and girls have to be covered up except their eyes,can't leave the house unaccompanied, and they still have prostitutes? Wow and I thought our religious hypocrites were crazy.

arslp

BRAVO!

Excellent post.

It's confounding isn't it? How Liberal women shamelessly promote the "Life of Julia" mentality on themselves.

I thought the "Women's Lib" movement of Betty Friedan, Gloria Steinem or Germaine Greer in the 70's was supposed to embolden women to be more independent instead of dependent. I thought all of that bra burning was supposed to be liberating rather than indoctrinating.

This nonsense about contraception being a "war on women" should be an insult to any common sense woman. A 30 year old career student, Sandra Fluke, should be an embarrassment to all women with her claims of needing society to pay for her contraceptives so she can enjoy recreational sex while in college.

The most recent outrage regarding Romneys "binders" is so laughable only a Liberal can see any type of misogynistic influence. I'm sure they're all busily returning their children’s 3-ring binders they use for school so as not to appear offensive to women.

Liberals glamorize Lily Ledbetter while studies show they pay their female staffs 18%-20% less than similar qualification male staff. Last year the median annual salary for female White House employees was 18% less than male employees — $60,000 compared with $71,000.

The only people that make more money from any of these "bleeding heart" government social experiments are the lawyers.

It's incredible how Liberals continue to believe that government is the answers to all our problems as we see the abysmal failures in their Progressive ideologies escalate. The wars on crime, drug, poverty and illiteracy should be enough to convince any normal thinking real American how dysfunctional our government is.

Unfortunately in the dark and dank easily manipulated Liberal mind, it won’t.

The only "war on women" is the one waged on women by Liberals.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©

Please people.....Do not be so stupid as to equate being a conservative Muslim with being a political conservative in the United States. Look up the definition of conservative...please before you make your self look even more foolish. The words liberal and conservative are being used in a completely different way than we use them politically here in the United States. It is embarrassing that so many people do not understand that. It is no wonder that so many liberals are still going to vote for Obama after four years of the utter destruction of the Constitution and the country as a whole. You are all dumber than a bag of rocks. P.S. While you are looking up conservative in the dictionary look up liberal as well. Read all of the definitions for each word. You might learn something.

What a waste of time and lives.

Really, NBC/Tazeen Ahmad? They have become more "conservative?" Wow! Nice command of the English language!

I guess they have "binders full of women" they've beheaded too?

arlsp,

You mean the same welfare with work requirements (instituted by Clinton and heavily supported by Obama -- don't bother spreading the debunked lie about Obama "gutting those requirements" either. Anyone who has done any fact checking on that issue knows it isn't true)?

How about the fact that research shows that welfare is generally used for exactly what it was created for -- a bridge to help those in need until they can achieve better circumstances. Did you know the vast majority of welfare users are on welfare for less than 18 months? That most use it as a temporary measure before they can find better work?

Did you know welfare users have kids at the exactly the same rate as the rest of America (2.2 is the average for America as a whole, as well as women on welfare)? The whole "welfare queen with six kids sitting on her ass watching Springer and gobbling up taxpayer money" is nothing but a myth. There is no evidence to support it. Sure, everyone has some story about the lady they know who does this and that. But, statistics show that the VAST majority of people who used government aid use it appropriately and use it for exactly what it is intended -- help getting by when times get hard.

So, this claim that people on government aid are "dependent" and that the government is "holding them down" isn't supported by any facts. In fact, statistics show exactly the opposite. But, I guess it's a lot easier to demonize the poor and demonize those who want to help them rather than actually do any research.

JimSpence,

Hormonal birth control is important to comprehensive women's health. Not only is birth control used to help with and control many medical conditions (dysmenhorrea, PCOS, anemia caused by heavy bleeding, hormone imbalances, etc.), but it also has long-term positive health effects (reduced risk of certain cancers). Birth control is often used by women who are married/in long-term committed relationship to help with spacing between births (which is important for fetal development). Access to birth control has been shown to limit the number of unwanted children and recently, a study showed that easy and free access to birth control is associated with a DRAMATIC decrease in abortions (something everyone -- regardless of their stance on abortion, would like to see). There is mounds of evidence showing the positive effects of easy access to birth control--not just for individuals, but for society in general. But rather than listen to the evidence, rather than educating yourself, you'd rather just malign Sandra Fluke and complain about having to "pay for someone to have lots of sex." While, of course, completing ignoring that the whole issue she spoke about related to insurance companies paying for birth control. Insurance companies WE women PAY to help us cover OUR health expenses. Health expenses which may include birth control. But, of course, how dare we ask for a service we pay for to actually provide what we need. I mean, what are we thinking? We should pay for our insurance coverage AND our own healthcare costs and shut up, like good little women right?

What makes me laugh is that so many conservatives CLAIM they care about preventing abortion, lowering welfare costs, preventing unwanted pregnancy and so forth -- but when one of the easiest answers out there (backed by a wealth of research) is birth control, they start shouting about "sluts" and "whores" and ignore facts. Some of you are so convinced that everyone is itching to screw everything that moves that you think even talking about sex will turn everyone into sex-crazed monsters. Some conservatives promote things like abstinence-only education (which has been shown to lead to an increase in teen pregnancy) , banning birth control (which will lead to more unwanted children, more welfare, and more abortions), etc. Some conservatives even said that we shouldn't encourage young women to get the HPV vaccine because that will encourage them to go have sex. Guess what? A recent study came out and showed that young women who received the vaccine were no more likely to engage in sex than those who did not have the vaccine. Yet again, conservatives are wrong about sex and sexual behavior. How many times do you have to be proven wrong before you get it? What is it going to take to get you and those who think like you to stop promoting ideas that actually LEAD to the opposite of your purported goals before you just shut up and actually listen to the facts?

Also, JimSpence -- the fact that you, and others who think like you take absolutely no time to do any research on birth control, its uses, why it's important, or what was ACTUALLY being argued about when Sandra Fluke spoke before the committee... The fact that you assume women want birth control just so they can go have lots of sex... tells me a lot about what you think of women. You know better right? You know better than those whores, huh? You know what's moral and right and those sex-crazed women just want to @!$%# everything without consequences, right? Don't bother considering that "those women" might want to make their own health choices and have easy access to things that are important for their health. That they might be concerned about the multitude of health issues that birth control can help with. Nah.. they just want to @!$%#, like the dirty whores they are.. right? And you're not a misogynist at all.

Stop stereotyping Afghanistan citizens, my cardiologist is from there, and I know a wonderful Afghanistan family that operates a very successful restaurant, here in the US. They are intellectuals and a beautiful family, not everyone there runs prostitution rings.

Human trafficking, forced prostitution and slavery has and still occurs else ware in the world, and the US on a daily basis, like it or not. It is ignorant to dismiss an entire nation because of some corrupt animals. There's plenty of brutal crime and corruption in the US.

Afghanistan is not listed in Wikipedia under FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION, but it happens to there (to girls and babies) like in other nations, the cycle of violence is carried down by women who are oppressed. Under this cycle, the women feel cheated and violated, then in turn inflict the same punishment to "cleanse" and "purify" the girls of the so called "male" body parts.

We are changing Afghanistan everyday we are there, and that's why the "hoo-hoo's" really don't want us around, even for one more minute, because it interferes with their scheme of keeping the common people in the middle ages......."Oh we can handle it now, you can go home now". That was like leaving the Russians in charge of Eastern Europe after WWII, a really raw deal for anyone left behind the "Iron Curtain".

this is what I have learned about the people in the middle east and I have been reading stuff like this since the 1990's

when women over there get older they get a bit more say in many things in the family I dont know how that works but many mother-in-laws are to blame for the deaths ,disfigurement of thier sons wives . these people do NOT marry for love they have marriages arranged for them . so these new wives mean NOTHING to them and for the mother-in-laws it is someone to do all the chores for them they have a personal slave . they do what ever they want to these women and get away with it . yes the women are as bad as the men there . remember thier culture dictates to them that women have to be cut , they remove the clitierous therefore NO woman is allowed a orgasm something that is a biological need . it is not the men who do this they make the women do it to each other and thier own daughters what kind of a mother does that . they all do over there . now when they are forced to marry lets face that has to suck and many are married off to uncles ,cousins alot of incest . this has been going on for some 1000 years . it will not stop . arabs over here do it to thier girl children right here in the USA.

I feel awfull about what happens to some of the women over there . there are some true horror stories come out of that part of the world . so why help them why are our soldiers dying for them !!!

they want to live like that and of course many dont but it will be at least another thousand years be for women have any rights over there. why ... because the men there want it that way .

over here in the USA men want that control and the repunkligans are trying to make it so . so instead of worrying about the women over there we need to concern ourselves about the women over here . do you want your daughters, nieces , granddaughters treated like that . of course not but if the consevatives have thier way that is what we are looking at . I hope all the women who read this will feel as I do and take a stand against what is going on right over here and work to get true equal rights for women , equal pay , equal healthcare , equal everything just like the men have cause it is long over due .......otherwise start preparing all your daughters , nieces ,sisters ,granddaughters for some awfull treatment when they are older and make sure you tell them why it happened and then teach them to just grin and bear it cause nothing can be done about it

It's too bad the entire country of Afghanistan can't be quarrentined, fenced in, isolated and ignored.

I can't think of any instances in the Bible where in-laws or blood relatives ever attempted to force their dil or daughter to become a prostitute.

How about Lot? He offered his daughters to a bunch of angry men. He also got drunk, screwed his daughters and had children by them although evidently they were willing participants.

Arslp - You forgot to mention that: 1) women don't need to be paid the same amount as men for the same work (Lilly Ledbetter) 2. Did you know it's only rape if it meets the Republican definition? 3. Ultrasound probes in orifices for those seeking an abortion but who aren't very far along?

That's how a liberal woman sees the Republicans waging a war on both our bodies & our pay rate.

Sure! It is certainly outrageous that an attempt was made by her very own in-laws to force a new bride into prostitution and then punished by them for refusing. Afghans and the World are justified into reactions of indignation to such a thing. But, many posters on this thread seemed not to have noticed that BEFORE we were informed of it, the perpetrators of this heinous act have already been arrested by the Afghan authorities. Under these circumstances, blaming the Afghan authorities, the Afghan society and mainstream Islam is a bit premature, don't you think?

bmilleroh...(#1.97)..." 1) women don't need to be paid the same amount as men for the same work"

"Women paid significantly less in Obama White House than their male counterparts"

"All of President Barack Obama's employees may not be treated equally in the White House, as recently released financial records show that female employees earn significantly less than their male counterparts.

Using the 2011 annual report of White House staff salaries that was submitted to Congress, an $11,000 difference is clear between the median female employee salary and the median male employee salary.

This news comes on top of continued criticism- of both President Obama and prior presidents- that women are underrepresented in the White House. "

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2128513/Women-paid-significantly-Obama-White-House-male-counterparts.html

There's your Lilly Bedwetter president in action....

" 2. Did you know it's only rape if it meets the Republican definition?"

Engaging in sex in a self-drunken/drug induced stupidity and saying no in the middle of it, then claiming rape is a far cry from being dragged into the bushes by a total stranger, or someone breaking into your house in the middle of the night and being raped.....just like there are 1st, 2nd and 3rd degree murders.....

" 3. Ultrasound probes in orifices"

Paaleeze....Ultrasounds don't "probe" into anything, they are done on the surface of the skin....( And yes I'm aware of the transvaginal transducer, used rarely for specific medical conditions)

Have a nice day...

Siobhan27

I understand that BCP’s are used for medical problems such as POD, PMDD, acne, anemia and others.
Today about 10 million women use BCP’s. Half of them use them purely as a contraceptive to prevent pregnancy.

They use it for recreational sex.

I have no problem with them using them as medical conditions require and having insurance pay for it, it’s MEDICALLY indicated.

I do have a problem with paying for your wife using it to have recreational sex with you. Or some 30 year old bimbo in college, so she can boink any guy she wants without any responsibility or accountability.

There is a difference between using BCP’s for medical problems and using them for recreational sex. If you want to be irresponsible and just bang any guy who appeals to you, PAY FOR YOUR OWN BCP’S!!!!

If I like to have an occasional cigar, for recreational purposes, should YOU pay for my pleasure?

If I like to have an occasional drink of Courvoisier, for recreational purposes, should YOU pay for my extravagance?

Of course not.

Please don’t embarrass yourself with the adolescent Viagra argument. Viagra is used for erectile dysfunction. If you have a medical problem it should be prescribed. If you’re a 22 year old who just wants it to be more virile, PAY FOR IT!

Recreational sex is NOT a right. It’s a responsibility. If you want to have recreational sex there are many different ways you can prevent pregnancy.

I have checked around and Wal-Mart offers generic TriSpringtec contraceptives for $9.00 a month. That’s the same cost as a 4 beers at a bar, two packs of cigarettes or 2 Venti Salted Carmel Mocha Frapaccino’s at Starbuck’s.

It’s not the convoluted $3,000 your idol Sandra Flunky claims, it’s $432 for 4 years of college. Hardly a strain on most budgets. Now, if you want a Cadillac contraceptive for recreational sex, yes, you may need to pay more. That’s your decision for something you want, not need.

If you want those luxuries, PAY FOR THEM!

By the way, I’m a retired Family Physician, I do know what anovulatory drugs are used for.

I have two children, which is what we wanted, and my wife never took a BCP in her life. Learning when you can and can’t have sex is NOT rocket science. A week in health class can educate you quite nicely. But with our criminal federal Public Education system it’s not hard to understand why government intervention needs to be eliminated as much as possible.

Now, if you’re not so inclined, use a condom. If you want more protection use a spermicidal cream or gel. There are many other methods.

If you want to have intercourse you need to be responsible. Today our society keeps putting more and more of that burden on our government instead of itself. That’s NOT our governments function. Our government has 18 simple Enumerated Powers under Article 1, Section 8. Please don’t embarrass yourself with the “General Welfare Clause”, “Necessary and Proper Clause” or any other convolution of the Constitution giving government all that power, they don’t.

It doesn’t work.

Yes, we Conservatives do care about preventing abortions. The simplest solution is to avoid getting pregnant. The simplest solution for that is not to have sex when the risk is highest. If you can’t do that it’s an indication of poor self-control.

This is what Liberals lack. Liberals believe everything you want should be given to you by someone else. You have no self-control, self-discipline, ambition or responsibility. The government should just provide for you from the womb-to-the-tomb and you should just be able to act as irrationally and irresponsibly as you want.

You bear no responsibility for your problems. None of your agonies are attributable to faults or failings of your own: not to poor choices, bad habits, faulty judgment, wishful thinking, lack of ambition, low frustration tolerance, mental illness or defects in character. None of the Liberals plight is caused by failure to plan for the future or learn from experience.

Instead, the “root causes” of all this pain lie in faulty social conditions: poverty, disease, war, ignorance, unemployment, racial prejudice, ethnic and gender discrimination, modern technology, capitalism, globalization, imperialism, the.

In the delusional liberal mind, this suffering is inflicted on the innocent by various predators and persecutors such as “Big Business,” “Big Corporations,” “greedy capitalists,” U.S. Imperialists,” “the oppressors,” “the rich,” “the wealthy,” “the powerful” and “the selfish.”

Your "war on women" is just another bogeyman that your adolescent leadership cocncocts to make you more dependent on government. It's just another straw-man Liberals use to control women.

So, if 5 million women want to have recreational sex, knock yourself out. Go buy your $9.00 generic TriSpringtec and enjoy.

The dysfunctional “life of Julia” you Liberals espouse should be an embarrassment to you. Instead you embrace it.

Like I said above “Women’s Lib” was not intended to be a government mandate, it was meant for women to be ambitious and self-reliant. Most women have accomplished that, all except Liberals. Liberals want women dependent on government not themselves.

You should be ashamed.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©

For a Muslim country, a devoutly religious group of people, that get down on their knee's 5 times a day, to pray to god.

How could this religion breed so many outrageously cruel and barbaric people, What god are they praying to, that would condone this kind of behavior.

Where in the Koran does it teach this kind of inhuman behavior, especially to one of their own. I pray to my god, that surely not all Muslims are like this.

JimSpence,

A lot of things in your post that are wrong or misleading.

I understand that BCP’s are used for medical problems such as POD, PMDD, acne, anemia and others.
Today about 10 million women use BCP’s. Half of them use them purely as a contraceptive to prevent pregnancy.

First, the number of women on ORAL contraceptives is around 11.2 million and of those nearly 60% use it for things other than pregnancy prevention. Since these statistics only refer to those on oral contraceptives , that means this does not include those who use IUDs, patches, or injections -- thus the numbers are actually quite a bit higher. But even if we were to only talk about those on oral contraceptives, that means that nearly 2/3rds of women who use birth control use it for medical reasons. Are you really going to suggest that when a majority of users of a certain medication are using it for medical reasons that's not an important aspect of that group's health? And that it shouldn't be covered by the very insurance they pay for because a smaller percentage also happen to use it for pregnancy prevention only? Again, what's being overlooked here in the rants of "I'm not payin' for sluts to be having sex!" is the fact that the MAJORITY of women who use hormonal birth control use it FOR medical reasons, so why are we pretending that it isn't an important factor in women's healthcare that should be covered by health insurance?

If you want to have intercourse you need to be responsible. Today our society keeps putting more and more of that burden on our government instead of itself. That’s NOT our governments function. Our government has 18 simple Enumerated Powers under Article 1, Section 8. Please don’t embarrass yourself with the “General Welfare Clause”, “Necessary and Proper Clause” or any other convolution of the Constitution giving government all that power, they don’t.

Also, I don't know how many times this needs to be said for people to understand -- but the issue is not about the government or taxpayers paying for birth control. It was about whether or not insurance companies should cover it. So, talking about "government burden" is a red herring here. I'd suggest understanding the issue before maligning people about the issue. (Also, Sandra "Flunky"? Really? How old are you?)

Also, if this were really about the “burden on others”, you should probably be in favor of free birth control. As I mentioned previously, easy access to birth control significantly decreases things like the number of children on welfare, the number of unwanted children and the number of abortions. I’d say that would be quite a savings for society. But again, that really isn’t what this is about for many people arguing against it. What it is about is maligning women for having sex. I mean, again – look at the very way yourself describe it:

Or some 30 year old bimbo in college, so she can boink any guy she wants without any responsibility or accountability.

There is a difference between using BCP’s for medical problems and using them for recreational sex. If you want to be irresponsible and just bang any guy who appeals to you, PAY FOR YOUR OWN BCP’S!!!!

Yeah, you definitely sound like someone who has a healthy attitude toward women, particularly those who choose to have sex.

Here’s a fact – about half of women who use birth control for pregnancy prevention purposes are married women who are either 1.) not yet ready to have children, 2.) trying to space children, 3.) no longer want to have children. And whether or you and your wife managed without it, statistics show that hormonal birth control is the best means of doing those things. The rhythm method (which you seemed to suggest twice when talking about "when" to have sex) is a horrible birth control method. It's effectiveness is somewhere around 25%. While condoms claim to be 98-99% effective, this is only with absolutely proper use. Studies show that the actual effectiveness of condoms is somewhere around 60%. Spermicide is even lower. But the point I’m making here is that all I hear people who are against this talking about is “sluts” and “bimbos” and “girls just wanting to have lots of sex with lots of men.” Which says something about how women are still perceived by our society. (Hilariously, even when those “sluts” take responsibility for themselves by wanting to ensure they don’t get pregnant, they’re still a bunch of freeloading, irresponsible whores according to you people. Apparently, women who want to have sex just can’t win with you guys. They really are just the dregs of society to you guys, huh?)

This is what Liberals lack. Liberals believe everything you want should be given to you by someone else. You have no self-control, self-discipline, ambition or responsibility. The government should just provide for you from the womb-to-the-tomb and you should just be able to act as irrationally and irresponsibly as you want.

You bear no responsibility for your problems. None of your agonies are attributable to faults or failings of your own: not to poor choices, bad habits, faulty judgment, wishful thinking, lack of ambition, low frustration tolerance, mental illness or defects in character. None of the Liberals plight is caused by failure to plan for the future or learn from experience.

Instead, the “root causes” of all this pain lie in faulty social conditions: poverty, disease, war, ignorance, unemployment, racial prejudice, ethnic and gender discrimination, modern technology, capitalism, globalization, imperialism, the.

Liberals as a group do not believe everything they want should be given to them by someone else anymore than conservatives as a group are a bunch of racist rednecks (which is to say, stereotypes are childish and useless, no matter who you fire them at). Many liberals tend to believe that those who are underprivileged should be cared for by their own society because they believe that is in a society’s job description. And they think the fairest way of doing that is by ensuring the government has measures in place to help people – so that people don’t fall between the cracks. You can disagree with them on that and that’s fine. But purposely misrepresenting that as wanting to take zero responsibility, wanting to excuse their behavior, etc., etc. is little more than lazy “ingroup/outgroup” thinking and demonizing those you don’t agree with. It really undermines any credibility you might have had. If all you do is demonize and stereotype any groups you disagree with, I can’t imagine that you listen to arguments with any attempt at objectivity.

While we’re at it, a good portion of liberals wouldn’t benefit from the many programs they advocate for. And about 50% of poor people and an even larger percentage of many minority racial groups are actually conservative. Which means liberals are arguing for programs and help for conservatives as much for liberals. Why? Because it’s not about “gimme, gimme” like everyone likes to characterize them. It’s about helping those they see as being exploited, harmed, and in need. Again, you can disagree with their position and that’s great. But if you’re going to try to debate, at least make real arguments instead of the litany of ridiculous straw man arguments you managed to spout off here.

(And I’m sure if you respond, you’ll be quick to point out that I talked about conservatives and what they have done/said in my previous post. But if you read carefully, you’ll note that I constantly referred to SOME conservatives, because I was specifically referring to those who have made the specific claims I was talking about. I also know some conservatives who are strong advocates of birth control – mostly because they’re smart enough to recognize the point I made earlier – costs to society will actually decrease because of easy access to healthcare).

Your "war on women" is just another bogeyman that your adolescent leadership cocncocts to make you more dependent on government. It's just another straw-man Liberals use to control women.

Again, what is this dependency? If the maniacal plan of Liberals is to make women dependent on government, they’re doing a poor job then. As I said, statistics don’t support this idea of “constant dependency.” Those who utilize welfare and foodstamps typically do so for less than 18 months. So where is all this dependency? Where are all these women who are being chained to the government via government aid? I’ll wait for you to bring me some evidence.

Of course, I’m sure you’ll be quick to point out the recent increases in welfare and foodstamps, conveniently forgetting the point that we just went through one of the worst recessions since the Great Depression. So, show me the statistics where all the things liberals have advocated for to help women and other stigmatized and marginalized groups leads to this lifelong dependency on government. When you do that, I’ll be glad to change my position on the matter.

Please actually educate yourself on what you’re talking about. Actually talk about the real issues and recognize that there are important points on both sides of the debate, instead of taking the intellectually lazy route by demonizing both women and liberals just because you happen think they shouldn’t have free birth control (in the former case) or you disagree with their political positions (in the latter). Again, I’m not saying you have to agree with anyone. But the least you can do is actually listen instead of just hearing what you want to hear.

You should be ashamed.

No, I am not ashamed for advocating for those who I feel need help, for those who haven't been given enough of a voice, for those who would otherwise be exploited or left to fend for themselves. Victim-blaming is far easier than actually taking responsibility for not just yourself, but for your fellow human beings. Not only do I pay my taxes and work hard (like the VAST majority of Americans, regardless of their political party), but I also wouldn't benefit from most of the things I advocate for (Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, welfare, etc.) And yet, I still advocate for them. Because I know that for a society to do well, it must care for it's citizens -- ALL of it's citizens. Not just those that are seen as "preferable." And I don't advocate for dependency (and I know this, because I actually do research and make sure I am knowledgable about a topic before I make decision).

In Afghanistan beheading your first woman is a right of passage. It's like your first shave in the US.

Why do you think the Taliban is so opposed to women getting educated?

Oh I know why. The same reason the American Taliban want to control American women's access to birth control.

Amnesty International said Mahgul’s murder was one of many violent incidents against women and girls in the region. The Herat region, which borders Iran, was once known for its liberal treatment of women but has become increasingly conservative in the past decade.

WAKE UP AMERICA! This is what we risk happening to women here if the ultra conservatives get into power. They already want to take away women's choice if impregnated by rape. PLEASE WAKE UP--a vote for Romney and this may come to pass in the USA.

seriously!

Siobhan27--THANK YOU!

Well said. From one Irish person to another. THANK YOU!

Erin go bragh!

Power Source: "Look up the definition of conservative...please before you make your self look even more foolish."

OK!

Conservative: adj. 1. Favoring preservation of the existing order. 2. Moderate; cautious. 3. Traditional

Liberal: adj. 1. Favoring individual freedom and nonrevolutionary reform. 2. Broad-minded or tolerant. 3.Generous; bountiful.

Is it the "Broadminded, tolerant" or the "generous" parts that most irritate you about liberals???

Hey Fed, your the one putting words and thoughts in the Presidents (Barry) mouth. Those are your thoughts and words not the Presidents, so stop being stupid.

I did not know you were privy to Obamas thoughts.....what an fing jerk you are!

We should pull out of there and wait for 600 years until they enter the 20th century...but then, we will be in the 27th!

Polygamy/Empress

14th century? 20th century?

WAKE UP PEOPLE.. THIS IS THE NORM OF THE 21ST CENTURY! AND AS THE YEARS SLIP BY, SEXUAL DEVIANTS WILL BECOME MORE THE NORM, ALL FOR THE NAME OF LOVE SOON PEOPLE WILL BE MARRYING THEIR PETS AND SIBLINGS, IT WILL BE OK AS LONG AS ITS IN THE NAME OF LOVE

No we won't be in the 27th century in 600 years. The way this country is going it looks like we'll mee them in the 17th.

Islam is pure evil, its founder was a sex-maniac, big time fraud and a conman named MuhamMAD. He was also a ferocious killer and the so-called "peaceful" (savages) followers of that militant cult are savages and beasts. Their poisonous holy book is full of lies and once you read that book, you don't need any formal terrorist training because you will find everything very clearly written there how to be a terrorist and continue to kill and destroy. The sooner the civilized world realizes that truth, the better off the mankind will be. Islam is actually a curse to the humanity! Peace on earth without EVIL ISLAM.

Polygamy... Agreed. Stone age cretins. Animals wouldn't do this to their own.

Ken Trout... Dude! What are you smoking? Oh, well, I guess even paranoids have real enemies.

And we're defending these cowards for what? Their hatred of America and their disgraceful treatment of women...it's high time to get the hell out of this 4th world environment, hunker down and take care of ourselves.These guys have big balls when it comes to hurting women and no balls the rest of the time....like when their planting IED's...

We despise these people, and yet the horror is all around us. There is a great deal of "pimping" going on in the world; developed and undeveloped countries. Families forcing family members (children) into sexual slavery, pimps taking control of the weak minded and desparate. Pimps killing their b's because they don't bring in the money. Some places may use guns, knives, or pour bleach down the throat...however. This death was the beheading of a woman who was "honored" in marraige by the "in-laws." This incident reached the media and now we know about it. How many more are lost in anonymity? Even in the developed countries, humans are not that much more "evolved." The inner cities, ghettos, the projects, the sticks, the hills, mountains, desert regions, high class, the elite, I can go on and on...it's everywhere in varying degrees.

Forced prostitution is a worldwide issue - not just in the Middle East. The US is one of the top destinations for human trafficking where young girls (and boys) are forced into prostitution in our very "civilized" country. What was done to this woman was horrific, but these sort of things happen in the US as well...we just don't hear about it because the girl/boy forced into prostitution is from Thailand, Mexico, Ukraine, etc, and is thoroughly "disposed of" by the thugs who imported them.

This may come as a surprise to some of you but, the people of the Mid East read about Jeffrey Dahlmer, Richard Gacey and Son of Sam and think you are all pretty focked up too. You AND your religion. Who could disagree with that characterization?

Ken Trout

Polygamy? Where is that coming from? Isn't the gay marriage thing what is heading us in that direction? No one has made polygamy legal! And I have a bulliten for you. Multiple wives were allowed in many religions over the centuries and/or the taking of concubines in addition to one's wife. Including the Christian religion. So get a clue. At least multiple wives is still natural.

It is pretty funny how muslims are so anxious to murder women in the name of their idiotic religion and culture. Good call mad plumber...send all their women over here and for the disease carrying imbeciles over there, send them to their paradise and for the rest of them...when ever they get a boner, they can cornhole each other or give their wrists a good work out. Of course there are plenty of nervous sheep and goats out there for them to have a good roll in the hay.

Being asexual and a dumb muslim is npo way to go through life.

Expect this sort of behavior and mindset to inculcate American society as more immigrant Muslims enter the USA. We already see atrocities of honor killings - more to come as our Christian-founded nation is transformed into a hodgepodge of "doing what is right in one's own eyes". And the church is voiceless.

I don't blame it on Islam, Islam is similar to Jewish and Christian, they all come from the same root. However, the tribal system is what i would blame. The tribal system isn't much different than it was 500 years ago. they never changed and adapted like the Jews and Christians did. Our Bible says similar to their books, we just don't take it literally anymore, like they do.

You put savages on reservations. Take over their country and rule them for their benefit and ours.

..."In other news...Warm and cuddly Tali the Taliban will be at the local Habib shop, passing out Poppy seed Pops, to all the boys and girls(what's left of them) who stop by."

okihadit;

you really are a dumbshyt...

If you had a time machine, maybe, just maybe, you could bring these people to the 19th century.

Wait shouldn't we blame the president for all this ?

Well you know, the neo-cons are blaming the current president for the financial mess that brewing in Washington for the last 30+ years.....do they know something we don't ?? Gee, lets see there was the S&N scandals, Nixon's shifty deals, Nancy Reagan's personal war on drugs, oh and I suppose it's the presidents fault for deregulating the "Wall Street Banksters" too ?

That's odd, the last time I checked the GOP voted:

-In favor of continued tax breaks for the rich elite but for raising taxes on the poor

- Against tax breaks for the middle class

-Against extending Unemployment benefits

-Against Iraq War Veteran benefits

-Against raising taxes on companies that outsource American jobs

-Against tougher regulations on banks

-Against benefits for senior citizens

-Against campaign reform limits

-For a guy who follows a religion started by JOSEPH SMITH in New York in 1834, so he could have multiple wives, but was later lynched by a mob.

-For a guy who said: "The trees in Michigan are the right height."

-For a guy who built a "car-elevator" yes sir a true American is a guy who builds one of those, and has money in Swiss bank accounts (through Michele Bachmann's husband ?)and don't forget, he has money in the Cayman Islands too, and knew how to run Bain Capitol into the ground and make money at the same time, yes he's our man-

With all the cow dung and awful stink coming out of FOX "NEWS" it's no wonder Myth Robme is looking suspicious, oops almost forgot about his side kick Gobbels, er I mean Ryan a real class act they are.

Why does Mitt always look guilty and nervous ?

Is he getting enough fiber ?

otto-372694:

Your post is another example of how people can twist things around to fit their agenda. Apply your hate towards Obama and see what you come up with...you can't. You can't see the perspectives from both sides because you're using hate as motivation. Do you make suggestions to Obama when his ideas go sour? Do you say, "hmmm, that did not go so well?" Or when ideas go sour they are still a success? As with everyone else, you are "stuck" with people "ruling" your life, and Obama has made decisions built upon what has gone before doing just that.

Don't vote for either clown! Vote American!

K Trout: "WAKE UP PEOPLE.. THIS IS THE NORM OF THE 21ST CENTURY! AND AS THE YEARS SLIP BY, SEXUAL DEVIANTS WILL BECOME MORE THE NORM, ALL FOR THE NAME OF LOVE"

You mean like the Mormons with polygamy? Romney is a Mormon. He has 6 grandmothers. You're right! That's a whole lot of loving, huh?

I'm not making this up--google it. Dare ya!!!

Sarcastic: " Apply your hate towards Obama and see what you come up with...you can't."

You are being sarcastic, aren't you? Because all Otto did was state a bunch of FACTS (not hate) FACTS about Romney...he told the truth and you label it hatred?

It's the truth--deal with it. Embrace it. But don't label it "hate.." That's lazy and a lie.

But you ARE right about one thing. You can't apply hate towards Obama because he's a good man--and none of those FACTS are true about him. Sorry.

Reality--deal with it!

OK Josh,

I'm an independent voter. Can you please explain how anything Obama has done made this happen? I'm trying to see how an informed Republican, such as your self, came to that conclusion?

Obama's sympathies for Muslims and their ways and culture is well known.

Has he or Hillary denounced this yet?

To Josh Brogan

Hey ass ....it has nothing to do with religion..... they are backwards..your ignorance contributes nothing.

What a stupid, old, old song, Rex. Obama has made a public confession in Christ and reiterated that he accepts Jesus' blood attonment on the cross for his sins. Get a life, nitwit.

i think you need to read rev wrights sermons, if you think obama is a christian...

@Realist: ...Let me help you. ...If you'll read @Josh's post, I think he says something to the effect that King Obama's regime is still spending loads of money over there and sarcastically calls Islam the "religion of peace" as King Obama seriously calls it. ...Got a grip?

Don't confuse culture and religion. They are intertwined, but separate things.

Point of fact: In modern, wealthy, educated Muslim nations this kind of violence is far, far more rare, and usually harshly prosecuted (and usually perpetrated by the segment of society that is NOT wealthy and educated). If this were an "Islam" thing, all Muslim-dominated nations would be doing it regularly. It's not...it's a cultural thing that's simply using religion as an excuse for what really amounts to economic reasons.

Josh, you're an idiot. This has nothing to do with Obama. These same actions were going on when bush was president. What will Romney/Ryan do about it? Not a damn thing. Their understanding of foreign policies are naive and, often, offensive (check his recent jaunt overseas). Let's keep this focused on what it is: murder of a young woman by ignorant, misogynists (yes, women can be misogynists).

Hey Professor you need to dig a little deeper into Barry's ideology:

Note what B. Hussein Obama says in his own words. They are from his books entitled “Dreams of My Father” and “Audacity of Hope.

In “Audacity of Hope” he writes: “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” The quote comes from page 261 of the paperback edition of “The Audacity of Hope.

There is over a billion Muslims in the world.Wich would you rather do - try to get along, forming some kind of workable relationship with them, or try to kill them all? 60 years ago Hitler tried the latter on a much smaller religious group and failed. Do you think we'd "get them all" if we tried?

The society they have built around their religion over the last 1500 years has lots of behaviours that seem barbarous and alien to us. Rest assured they feel the same about us. And what gives us the right to force our value system on them? They like the rest of the world, much of it christian, look at the US asking themselves how long it will take before we do something about hte pretty much weekly mass-shootings we have. Isn't it barbarous to let that go on?

Melissa078, your the ignorant one. Islam breeds this insanity, it has EVERYTHING to do with that religion.

Christian Colleg Prof -- really?? And you believe the man?? He's a liar of the highest order, in every respect. You, sir, are the nitwit.

You talk about a "War On Women"?! This is the war on women, not the fictional BS that the liberal media has tried to pin on Romey's campaign. I DO believe that Obama's tolerance for the Muslims has helped perpetuate the terrorists' leanings in Afghanistan. It has very much to do with religion! Some of you people REALLY should do some research. Geeze!

How do you bring out all of the ignorant, hateful wingnuts?

Write an article about Muslims.

FYI, these beheadings are tribal and predate Islam. It's not just Muslims in that part of the world who do barbaric, ancient acts of ignorance like this. It just happens to be the majority.

It's sad, and fundamentalist Islam has a role (as in preventing these people from really educating themselves) in these incidents, but it's only one factor.

Sluggo12345 why don't you fact check or at least read the book yourself if you want to quote from it. Please go to www DOT factcheck DOT org/2008/06/obamas-dreams-of-my-father/

I should also mention that I don't give a flying crap about the Koran, Mohammed, or any thing else that their culture finds sacred...Catholics in this country and in the world have been taking an ass beating forever and somehow we find a way not to overact by killing people...

Josh Brogan-

I think ALL you BIGOTS talking crap about Obama should take a long walk off a short dock. The world would then be a better place. Get rid of all the MORONS (Repubes-who think like you). Obama has been better than Bush EVER was or will be. At least he cares about the little people.

Jack-Chicago-

Your right about the Catholics not acting that way. They would rather molest little boys and not kill anyone.

"How do you bring out all of the ignorant, hateful wingnuts?

Write an article about Muslims."

And then, yakfitguy, you make a post...self deprecate much?

Jack - Hummm, apparently you never heard of the Spanish Inquisition, the holy wars, the burning of Joan of Arc at the stake and all the other atrocitices committed over the centuries in the name of religion.

Realistic23

He has been giving more and more of our money to the Afghans since day one and he gave them a day to wait for when we leave so they know for sure they don't have to fear us as long as he is in charge. Then he bombed Libya so the strong hand that kept things in line there was removed and the wild animals could take over. He is giving our tax dollars to the Palestinians even though a terrorist group is in charge there and in Egypt, whose Muslim Brotherhood was welcomed to our Whitehouse before the election there was even held. Please remove the Obama blinders and smell the corruption.

How easily you forget the Inquisition, Jack-Chicago. Many people of other religions at that time were killed for the Catholic Church. Yes, your Church has progressed a bit since then, but the higher ups have hidden many things over the years (see Dislike Sheeple 3.19).

Amazing how some of you actually defend.

"it is their culture, not their religion" - really ? keep hiding behind that crap.

That is like someone saying "officer I was not speeding because I wanted to, it was because I need to".

I also find it interesting that all of the defendants of their religion also seem to be die hard supporters of the current President, hmmm.

Christian College Prof

What a stupid, old, old song, Rex. Obama has made a public confession in Christ and reiterated that he accepts Jesus' blood attonment on the cross for his sins. Get a life, nitwit.

#3.5 - Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:52 PM EDT

As a Christian Prof... One would think you would be educated about other religions... Accoring to your statement, you know Little if anything of other religions... Read Below:

The Quran clearly reveal that Muslims' unintentional lies are forgivable and that even their intentional lies can be absolved by performing extra duties. It is also clear that if forced to do so, Muslims can lie while under oath and can even falsely deny faith in Allah, as long as they maintain the profession of faith in their hearts.

"Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty." Surah 16: 106

Al-Tabary explained Surah 16:106 as a verse that had been revealed to Mohammed after he learned that Ammar Ibn Yasser was forced to deny his faith in Mohammed when kidnapped by the Banu Moghera tribe. Mohammed consoled Ammar by telling him, "If they turned, you turn." (Meaning: if they again capture you, you are allowed to deny me again.)

One of Mohammed's daughters, Umm Kalthoum, testified that she had never heard the Apostle of Allah condone lying, except in these three situations:

For reconciliation among people.
In war.
Amongst spouses, to keep peace in the family.

One passage from the Hadith quotes Mohammed as saying: "The sons of Adam are accountable for all lies except those uttered to help bring reconciliation between Muslims."

Another says, "Aba Kahl, reconcile among people."(Meaning: even through lying.)

The Arabic word, "Takeyya", means "to prevent," or guard against. The principle of Al Takeyya conveys the understanding that Muslims are permitted to lie as a preventive measure against anticipated harm to one's self or fellow Muslims. This principle gives Muslims the liberty to lie under circumstances that they perceive as life threatening. They can even deny the faith, if they do not mean it in their hearts. Al-Takeyya is based on the following Quranic verse:

"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution (prevention), that ye may Guard yourselves from them (prevent them from harming you.) But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah." Surah 3: 28

Under the concept of Takeyya and short of killing another human being, if under the threat of force, it is legitimate for Muslims to act contrary to their faith. The following actions are acceptable:

Drink wine, abandon prayers, and skip fasting during Ramadan.
Renounce belief in Allah.
Kneel in homage to a deity other than Allah.
Utter insincere oaths.
The implications of the principle

Hey Dislike Sheeple! Newsflash..........Bush hasn't been on the scene for four years! When are you folks gonna quit living in the past?

Realist,

OK Josh,

"'m an independent voter. Can you please explain how anything Obama has done made this happen? I'm trying to see how an informed Republican, such as your self, came to that conclusion?"

Obama is pandering to the Muslims - Just last week, his admin. proposed borrowing 1.2 billion dollars from China (your tax dollars) to give to the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt so they could purchase attack subs from Germany - is this reason enough to keep you from voting for Obama?

But they are just peaceful people RIGHT?? NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeff in Idaho-

I will stop talking about the past just as soon as the past means nothing to the future. If you can't learn from your mistakes, then what's the point in memory? All I personally see when I look at Mitt Witt is another Bush. So no, as of now, I will NOT let go.

Mitt Witt is another Bush

Better another Bush, then what we have...another Carter.

Jermo, you think a Romney administration would do anything differently? Keep dreaming. We've been in bed with all sides since time immemorial.

Jeff-573598

You sure another G.W. Bush is what we need right now? Another war monger that wants to invade so he and his corporate buddies make a lot of money, all while ruining our country? Isn't that what got us here in the first place? This proves my point (3 messages up). Some people just can't learn from the past. I don't agree about needing another Bush as POTUS. I learned from THAT mistake.

Jack-Chicago, IL

I should also mention that I don't give a flying crap about the Koran, Mohammed, or any thing else that their culture finds sacred...Catholics in this country and in the world have been taking an ass beating forever and somehow we find a way not to overact by killing people...

HAHAHAHA!!! Catholics taking an ass beating, the only way
this statement could be true is if you are refer to the asses of alter boys.
What a joke!! Everyone loves to point the finger but hate to look in the
mirror. The Catholic Church has been one of the most blood thirsty religions
the planet has ever seen, ever heard of the Spanish inquisitions? The church
just like every other church is only concerned with its own power and
preservation. Religion is a scourge on humanity. Don't get me wrong I was raised
catholic and have a relative who is very high up in the church, and he is a
great man who has done much good and I believe individuals of faith can be a
force for good, but institutions and humanity are inherently corrupt. However
to condemn Islam for acts of violence while your church has murdered millions
for a laundry list of reasons is laughable. Since everything turns to politics let’s
look at Saint Thomas More the patron saint of politicians he was recently canonized,
1935, and he murdered fellow Catholics for reading the bible in English. Wow
what a great religion!

The bible was written by man. As this story proves man is a piece
of Sh*t. The bible, the Koran, the Torha are all bullsh*t written to control
the masses, nothing more nothing less.

And I swear if I hear another Christian cry about how they
are being persecuted I am going to do some beheading of my own. How can a group
of people (white Christian men) be a persecuted minority when they have been in
power since this country was founded? Pull yourself up by your boot straps your
always talking about and stop being a whining bunch of b*tches!!

Rex-1306908

Obama's sympathies for Muslims and their ways and culture is well known.

Has he or Hillary denounced this yet?

Is it up to the Commander in Chief of the United States to denounce every illegal criminal act in every tin horn country? Did Bush do that? I must have missed it. By the way, you sound really frightened of Muslims.

Rex: "Obama's sympathies for Muslims and their ways and culture is well known."

Well known by who? Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Donald Trump? Is that where you got your b.s. from? Because--the only ones who "know" this LIE re: Obama are the ignorant and the insane.

Which are you?

Jermo: Just last week, his admin. proposed borrowing 1.2 billion dollars from China (your tax dollars) to give to the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt so they could purchase attack subs from Germany

You are INSANE (and ignorant)

But thanks for the laugh! That's the craziest republiCON lie I've ever heard. Seriously! But it's great for a giggle!

Sluggo: "“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

With respect--BULL CRAP!

If you're going to quote Obama--please quote entire paragraph in context. This is bovine scatalogy! And it shows not only a disrespect for the truth and for the President--but for yourself and all of us too.

Quote the entire paragraph--I DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU! (I know you won't--because if you did--you would be shown to be a liar)...

Maybe our debilitated, bloated Secretary of State wil send him a bushel of cash so he won't try that 'stunt' in the US of A?

Start packing Hilary and take Slick with you !

OK Josh, me again.

Don't you think that the FACT that we, "the US of A", have been propping up, militarily and financially, some pretty contemptible dictators for the last 60 years, under both Dem and Reb administrations, might have something to do with people in hte rest of hte world, especially the less developed part, don't like us very much?

You HAVE been abroad - right?

Josh Brogan-

You ignorant BIGOT!!!! Just STFU. We all know your an idiot, but you keep adding to it. Go away TROLL!!!

...Hey Obamanites: @Josh is right on the money and you know it! ...Apparently, the public at large agrees with @Josh more than they agree with you, judging by the number of ticks on his posts compared to yours. ...Get a grip!

I think that all the idiots agree with Josh. Everyone else is far more educated than he. So they don't care what an ignorant tea party member has to say. Obama hasn't been great, but he hasn't been horrible like Bush either. And he is WAY better than Mitt Witt who flip flops for the rich.

3) Declared an Honor Killing

I propose that getagrip and Josh are the same troll.

Sheri.....

I think you misspelled your name - Isn't it "Sharia"?

This country is heading down that road. Look at the laws that are being pushed, and laws that have been shot down. The GOP terrorists in this country have tried to push more laws to limit access of birth control and abortions and are trying to enact laws that force women to be violated in exams with transvaginal probes,while shooting down laws that force companies to pay fair wages, to see women as equals.

I might as well jump into the cross fire here:

The modern Republicans always beat that lame dead horse "we are against abortion" and "we'll protect your gun rights" bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.......same old tune, nothing new under their leaky stinky tent.

Republicans are making deals with their rich butt-buddies for kick-backs and tax shelters, and play the patriotic propaganda drum hoping to fool another generation of mis-informed, mis-guided middle class and blue collar workers into falling for their bogus flim-flam snake-oil act.

They hope on the Reagan dream, that with enough frustration, voters will become restless and "hope" for a "change" by voting for the Bain-Capitol Mittster and that sneaky backstabber of the poor from Wisconsin, Ryan.

But Republicans still haven't figured out how to get the female vote, and most women aren't fooled by the lies and trickery of the fake propaganda machine called: FOX NEWS. In the end it will cost them the election and then Michele Bachmann can run in 2016 :)

getagrip1

No...Josh is an idiot. And his approval rating by other idiots doesn't impress me. How many morons are FOX fans? I rest my case.

Sheri: "I propose that getagrip and Josh are the same troll."

I second your proposal--and add Jeff to that list with his spelling your name sharia.

Ignorant jerks--that brag about their ignorance!

Hilarious!

Ol_Doc: "No...Josh is an idiot. And his approval rating by other idiots doesn't impress me. How many morons are FOX fans? I rest my case."

RIGHT ON!!! Thank you for your intelligent posts -- you always make me smile. Thank you!

These throw backs are fostering what some call the "RELIGION OF PEACE".

What a sheer delight to know that there are such noble people that WE THE PEOPLE have given BILLIONS of our tax dollars to for doing ALLAH's work.

It is quite clear that the regime is lost and willing to capitulate to these throw backs and the Russian bloc in order to retain the POWER they cling to and wish to ultimately destroy !

Why are we wasting our treasure and our sons' and brothers' and fathers' lives in this country of barbarians? Nothing we can do will change these people who have not evolved since the Stone Age. Get out of their country and let these tribes kill one another into extinction.

our President stands with them..., and so do some of the libbies that are posting here; they love Muslims!, and they want Sharia law here in the USA... right "spirit of america: and "big-oil"?

So true...the entire muslim culture is cruel, filled with hate, barbaric, corrupt and illiterate. And we should all note, islam is a tightly organized, highly structured religious cult with a specific and strong hierarchy. And all these muslims who live in America and Europe who claim to be moderate and peaceful are a part of this. In any organized and structured group, killings and brutality of this type by any of the members would be met with immediate punishment of the most severe kind. And the controlling hierarchy? They do even less! Yet, what do we see from the "moderates"? Sometimes a weak and pathetic verbal response that this is a minority, and we don't approve, never any firm and specific action, only quiet denial. In a highly structured group such as islam when atrocities are commit ed and go unpunished, or unstopped every person in that religious group is equally guilty. If these kinds of killings and atrocities in the name of religion occur ed in any other organized religious group of today would the members stand by quietly? Of course not...only in the culture of islam where killing and brutality are a part of the religion does this happen...islam the scourge of the earth.

What many fail to understand is that the culture and society Anglos have developed over the centuries and live by today is completely different than a great part of the world. Children and women are indeed chatel. Property. Nothing. Just like an ox in the field, if it can't contribute the way the owner wants it to, it may as well be sold and killed. We in the west can tout our culture and philosophies, but should understand that it may take generations/centuries for the larger part of the world to change to that which we may more readily accept. Or, it may not change. That is their culture.

So what are you inplying Dave? That because the girl was not performing her wifely duties as her husband and mother-in-law wanted (not pregnant after a couple of months?) that they have the right to make her into a prostitute? Why? So she would learn some tricks to perform on the husband? No way!! If she agreed to go along with them, they would most likely have beheaded her for being a prostitute. It doesn't matter what country you are talking about - women and children should not be treated as chattel.

As far as I see it, its the ultra conservative GOP party that are heading down this road.

So---I thought the women were supposed to be fully veiled and if they looked in the wrong direction they were accused of adultery put in a whole and stoned to death.....the alternative option is forced prostitution and if refused beheading while being held down. Its beyond imagination. That poor woman. Those poor women. WHAT are we doing there? Honestly, I think there is room for all of those women to come here and be welcomed to freedom and let the males then stand there bewildered as they become extinct.

We don't need to bring those women here. It's sad horrible and cruel what goes on there but America can't even take care of it's own people and until we do we have NO business taking on other countries problems by brining them here or giving them money!!!It's time to stop being dependent on other countries for our energy needs, to close our borders to all immigration, put out every one who is here illegally, get Americans in jobs and off welfare and foodstamps, get our homeless and mentally ill off the streets, make sure foster and abandoned kids are not part of the homeless population, take care of our vetrans and seniors,stop our own governments corruption, etc.. etc.. We can't force our version of democracy on others countires as Bushes one and two tried to do.WE also can't lean completel ytheother way and lose our own freedoms as BO would love to see us do to appease the muslim world. We do need to start being a more moral country and stop breeding indiscriminately just because it's fun and we can. It'll take decades to fix our own problems!!!!

Wake up2840

our President stands with them..., and so do some of the libbies that are posting here; they love Muslims!, and they want Sharia law here in the USA... right "spirit of america: and "big-oil"?

Take your meds! If anyone want's Sharia law it's the American Taliban...although I'm sur they call it Biblical Law or some such thing.

Wake UP : "they want Sharia law here in the USA"

You have a point (even if it is at the top of your head) You mean Christian Sharia law like Romney, Ryan, Mourdock, Akins, etc.. where they want to force women to carry their rapist's child for 9 months because it's "god's gift?"

That kind of "sharia law"? You're right -- we DO need to wake up and NOT go down that road.

Obama/Biden 2012-- for a vote against Christian Sharia law in the USA!

You are correct Dawg. We need to pack up, and leave these folks killing each other. They have been doing it for years. Let 'em keep on.

Yes, but only after the oil and opium fields are secured!

tomgunn go to page 9 1st post its for you they moved me there i guess so you can't read it moving to nine now.

wvdawg....you got that right!!!

Is nOT that what BOZOhussen promised in 2008?? Why are we still there??!!

just use THE bomb...

There are thousands of available missiles, rockets and other weaponry which can be directed at these sand box nations, these throw back settlements, these very anti American infested hovels which would destroy them and blast them back to the second century where these fools actually emerge from.

And that would be the new foreign policy of America.

The result would be that these fools, these r&gheads these anti American sand jockeys would realize they have no possibility of destroying the US. Russia? give them the same treatment.

Then if China has some strange idea they want to occupy the west coast of the US of A, shower them with more missiles and rockets than they would have at a Chinese fire works event.

Aren't we tired of giving away our tax dollars, bowing to fools and retreating from our destiny ?

I am more than tired and I approve this message.

Wake up2840... "just use THE bomb..." But, then... who will mind the opium crop?

Josh Brogan... "shower them with more missiles and rockets than they would have at a Chinese fire works event." Uh, have you traveled much, Josh? As in... you know, internationally? You sound like an "armchair" foriegn policy diplomat. Just blow everybody up. Is that your answer to everything?

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." Albert Einstein

7 goats, 20 chickens, and another cousins wife.

:-P

I knowww...them 'islamic' savages alright...we want news about what Kim is wearing for halloween...or about how americans are such flawless creatures who are the prototypical examples of everything right and civilized...

Don't use the word "animal"-monsters is appropriate.

Don't even use the word monsters - it's insulting to monsters.

give me a break..., more liberal bs.

The conservative fundamentalists both at home and abroad fear the power inherent in women . . .

Women can create life. The fundies seek to marginalize this power by controlling the women's access to healthcare, education, birth control, and reproductive choice.

Ain't that right, Wakeup? They're not so scary if you kin keep em barefoot and pregnant their whole lives, right?

FEAR: Men are jealous and afraid of women. They constantly bludgeon, beat, rape and kill because they realize how inferior they are.

No not all men. Most men are kind caring individuals. It's that 5-10% that cause all the trouble. They are so insecure and filled with self hatred, they turn to these fanatical religions that give them permission to behave like animals.

The 2 biggest problems in the world are men and religion.

Wonder why the good decent men don't rise up and put a stop to this. I wonder continually why on the right where decent men outnumber the religious wack jobs by I'm sure by a large degree, why don't they take that grand ole party back. A mystery to me.

I don't believe most republicans are bad but; the one's in power are pure evil. I'm older and remember when I had ultimate repect for the republican party. Now I detest them...

Men and religion.

another paranoid tree-hugger..., that victim stuff isn't selling anymore.

Hey Grey...........I'll see you at The Great White Throne Judgement. I'll be on the Lord's right hand, you'll be on His left hand. You are referred to in the Bible as a goat. I'm referred to as a sheep. My eternal home will be Heaven. Yours will be the Lake of Fire. You may not believe this but you'll sure remember these words forever and forever. Are you really willing to take that chance?? Repent and receive Jesus Christ as Savior before it's too late.

Wake the only ones playing the victim is you and your kind. You know slezzy low life liars. Guzzle down you beer and ciggies, watch your porno, masturbate because a woman won't get near and then quietly die...

while no one cares, that about covers your life doesn't it??

Hey Agnomad74...........Uh, I believe that women need men to participate in the creation of life. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

Spirit - Well, vote for Romney and it'll get worse. Especially as he aligns himself with the most fundamentalist radicals in the GOP.

Summertime your full of crap!!!

WAKE UP YOU SLEEP WALKER: "another paranoid tree-hugger..., that victim stuff isn't selling anymore."

You are the one who plays the victim. Grey & Summertime are telling the truth. Reality--deal with it!

And why do you hate trees anyway? Don't you know humans (and all animal life) NEED trees? They are necessary for life on this planet. Why not hug one yourself? Try it! You might like it. And perhaps it would wake you up and help you to shed your hatred and ignorant b.s.

line them up and start snipping..., they can start with this adolescent male.

Where's the video....there must be a video.......someone in the US....must have done something that made those people do such a horrific act.......maybe Hilliary will fall an ANOTHER sword.

Sniper: ".......maybe Hilliary will fall an ANOTHER sword"

Another misogynist moron! You see what I mean? American taliban at its finest.

What's wrong, Sniper? Does Hilary scare you so much that you must forgo rational discourse in favor of personal abuse? It just makes you look like a moron. Why brag about your ignorance and hatred? Not attractive!

She's known as The Queen of Hearts around Herat.

Oooh how I long for more news from the 'religion of peace'.

Choke, puke, gag.

And these people cheerfully take our money handout as provided by the bloated Secretary of State.

BUT that cash is our TAX MONEY. Maybe it could be used to build and repair our roads, bridges and improve the water supply system ?

Naah, we need to buy protection from people armed with sticks and stones and bottles filled with kerosene and stuffed with rags. Oh yes, that is a terrific foreign policy attempt.

How about this? Use the power of our missiles, and other munitions to explain quite clearly that the US of A is done supporting the r&ghead world. A world that has never provided an invention that furthers humanity's needs, have no decent roads, schools, opportunities for employment and not one useful agricultural activity (outside of poppies).

Well, Josh, you're wrong about the Arab/Muslim world never providing any inventions. They were the center of the world for science from the fall of Rome to the Renaissance, about 1200 years; they invented our number system, our astronomy,much of our Mathematics and many other things. The problem is that they haven't done anything since then, indeed, they have slipped back into a barbaric, agrarian form of life.

Yes, Dave, absolutely!!

How very "christian" of you, professor.

You are. My family and I have been here for the past 30 years, and we worship it everyday.

@Karen, you said it all! I have often wondered about the pure luck (?) of being born in this wonderful country and I feel sad for those innocents who are not so lucky. Yes, we have our faults but they pale in comparison to acts like this.

With much respect, Farideh:

What you say sounds beautiful - and I believe you mean it.

Question: I know that I will be slammed as racist, or islamaphobic, but -

You sound either Muslim or Arab. (and I DO understand that I may well be wrong) I am under the belief that a LOT of the Muslim and/or Arabs in this country secretly pump their fists in happiness when terror strikes; that a large number of them hate this country while being here and taking of its fruits.

IF you are Muslim and IF you congregate with others..what is YOUR experience as to how this country is REALLY viewed by the majority of your (ex ?) countrymen/women ?

You all said it. I am always grateful that I was lucky enough to be born here. It's not always the perfect country, and some of the men are not good, but the decent ones are still in the majority. Here you at least have a chance for education, respect, and a good life.

Someday -

It's really not that complicated.

They believe much like the Japanese from feudal times through WW2, that life and death is the same. (think Kamakazies, to be rewarded in the next life)

You see, what kept the cold war "cold" was the MUTUAL fear of MUTUAL destruction. THIS is why radical Islam is so dangerous, because they do NOT fear death. Even MORE frightening is the thought of a Muslim country with nuclear capacity - Kruschev would never have pushed the button unless he had no choice - not so with these guys, as they feel they would be rewarded.

As for WHY we are sending money and our soldiers' blood - I think my answer may be viewed by the majority on here as naive. I DONT think it is lust for oil. I DONT think it is due to Halliburton. I believe that our reasoning is 2-fold.

1. To free the people from the Taliban, so that things like this girl will not happen.

2. To minimize the number of places that Radical Islam can flourish and thereby reduce the risk to ALL of us.

IS it working ? NO..because the architects of the plan started out with the WRONG assumption - that the MAJORITY of Afghans WANT change. I do not believe that such is the case.

Awww...poor you..you don't understand why 'death is such an easy option to resolve a problem?'.....as long at the US doesn't do it, it's all good right?.....why don't you go and ask your President Bush why he went into Iraq after having lied to everyone ? Why don't you ask the good people of NBC, CNN and all to put up an article of how many iraqis have truly been murdered by US soldiers? Stop flaunting your stupidity and watch 'Keeping up with the Kardashians' instead..

IKR?

Read the Koran; it will explain everything.

Some people can't handle democracy, even if it is handed to them on a silver platter. I really feel sorry for women forced to live inside of a black tent in 120 degree heat. It's just so sad...

You really feel sorry for women who are forced to live in black trents in 120 degree heat? I guess you haven't seen what Sherriff Joe in Arizona has done to the women and men in his tent jails. The women aren't even allowed Kotex but are forced to sleep in their own menstrual blood. Oh but this is a hero of the Republicans and Tea Baggers.

Bryan I think your full of @!$%# as far as the Kotex goes. IF that EVER happened at all it would hav ehad a stop putto it very quickly. I guess your real problem is that Sherriff Joe treats these people exactly the way they deserve to be treated. They are criminals not contest winners getting free rent, food, clothing, medical/dental/vision care like the POS's in many of our jails and prisons do. Hell we got illegals in some of our prisons being treated better than alot of hard working American citizens are. Maybe some of Joe's prisoners will havelearned a huge lesson by doing some REAL hard time and not ever break the law again!!!! BTW, before you spew it, I'm NOT a republican!!!

take your liberal bs somewhere else..., you are delusional.

Who is taking control of your vagina Please Bail? Or are you refering to abortion, which isnt taking control of your vagina. Actually, and not picking sides here, I believe anti-abortionists are just saying that since you were irresponsible by not using birth control that they would like it if you didnt kill your baby.

Sorry - you right wing wack jobs are the ones ruining this country. your sick and disgusting, phony bible thumping animals.

Ignoring what's going on and the crap you sick fk's are trying to do doesn't mean it isn't happing. All you bull about getting the gov't out of our lives. All your right to lifeers, while sending other peoples children to kill or be killed. Because life is so presious except when you can get a dollar from yet another phony war. Yeah who's delusional.

term limits please puke get up some of that evil bile loser. POS

You appear to need anger counseling. You also need someone to teach you how to spell.

Hey Gary whose baby are you killing every single time you wack off. Whose baby are you killing every time you send someone else's kid to die in some awful place. You sanctimonious a-holes need to get a life, some basic education and then maybe actually practice all the god loving crap you spew......

Your the poster child for abortion

the big problem is people twist what is said if Romney does win and is able to have the court overturn itself on roe v wade it go back to the right of the state to regulate abortion in its own state. if it a woman's right to free birth control i have no problem with it id rather give them birth control then supporting their children.

Wow, "please Bail"...

You win the moronic post of the day award - congrats !

Misogyny is a matter of degrees. While almost none are as crazy insane as those in Afghanistan, among some there is clearly a contempt for women and the choices they make. Some conservatives who harken back to the "good old days" wish women were kept barefoot and pregnant. They seek to enforce keep women down by failing to address the pay equity issue. And they get so tangled up in the abortion issue that they would redefine rape so as to exclude date rape, GBH rape and incest--all so that they could eliminate all forms of rape that are not forcible, so as to close any loopholes that even some pro-lifers might find distasteful.

How awesome it is that Republicans only care about the pre-born....after birth, they could really give a hoot.

Wow! So much for the family unit. That's so inhuman I'm surprised they didn't devour her. And if that aint evil then what is?

BS!!! enough said!!!

Bail it is you libs that support these animals, it is the progressivies that want to bring them to the US by the 1,000 s and support and respect there views.

It is the liberals that have stoped us from saying Merry Christmas because we might offend some Muslium. I have a idea why don't you leave!!! You do not deserve the freedoms that real americans have died for !

Wakeup: "take your liberal bs somewhere else..., you are delusional."

PLEASE take your conservative ignorant b.s. somewhere else. YOU are the one who is DELUSIONAL. WAKE UP!!!

please?

Gary: "I believe anti-abortionists are just saying that since you were irresponsible by not using birth control that they would like it if you didnt kill your baby."

And therein lies the problem. It's not their baby. It's not their body. It's not THEIR right to control another's body. No one is forcing anyone to have an abortion. They're simply giving women a choice.

And if men don't want babies--there's a simple solution--condom or KEEP IT ZIPPED!

Are these anti-choice people going to provide medical care, welfare, food, clothing--any help whatsoever once the woman has the baby she does not want? NO! Love the fetus--hate the child.

And another thing--everyone assumes they know what the fetus wants. Speaking as a former fetus myself--I can tell you I would want to be aborted if my mother did not want me--and especially if my sperm donor raped her. Abort me! Life is tough enough when one is wanted. Me--I would prefer abortion to abuse and a rotten childhood--setting me up for an even more difficult adulthood.

But that's just me.

Shawn: "It is the liberals that have stoped us from saying Merry Christmas because we might offend some Muslium"

Another right wing wacko! Where do you live? No one is preventing me from saying Merry Christmas! Who controls your mouth? Liberals? Oh Puhleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze!

Grow up!

Please dont ever call these Barbarians Animals.Animals dont deserve to it.They are many,many times better then these perverts.

Agreed! Animals are better than these people!!

Please do not degrade animals, these people are much worse than animals. I am thinking lower than whale crap.

Exactly. However, even whale crap can be useful somehow (maybe fertilizer?). These people are a major tumor on earth.

obammy told you? Well, there is the problem right there! obammy is muslim, now you know why he calls it a "peaceful' Religion. Let's vote obammy out, and then we can send him over there to preside over the muslims, and then we can let THEM, worry about obammy, so we don't have to. Peaceful??? Just another reason to get that socialist out of office as soon as possible.

because there arent equally monstrous and christian people in the US?

This is sad. These are the people that Odumbo and liberals support here in the states.

Out now... bring our guys home from that bronze-age puk-a-thon and let the buggers get back to tearing at one another as they always have...

You all need to realize that ugly things like this happen in the US as well. Just last week a dismembered little girl was found in Denver.

Those of you calling our president: Odumbo, Obozo, Obammy, etc. are no better than these Afghan men. You brag about your ignorance online.

If you have an issue re: our President--state your point. But you know you have nothing. So you forgo rational discourse in favor of personal insults.

You should take a good long look in the mirror--but you won't because you know you'll hate what you see.

Wouldn't call them values, I would call them LACK of values. It's unfortunate because of all the innocent people that are tangled up in the mess over there that have no help but from the outside. I don't know it's a tough situation. There are so many zealot sociopaths over there it's an epidemic.

They are what they are, and we will never convert them to our way of life or the way we view it. Let's just leave that part of the world, take our food and leave them the oil, and let's see how long they last. starve them into oblivion. FOOD, the worlds best weapon.......OUR, best weapon!! Withhold our food, starve them, and then we won't have to worry any more.

because the only way for evil to triumph is for good to do nothing.

The problem is the extremist muslims want to take over the world. Even if we got out of there, they are infiltrating (sp?) all over and want to destroy(Kill) anyone who does not convert. I would like to know where are the women libers are. . . haven't heard much from them. And have not heard anything from them about Shirah (?) law and how the extremist muslims want it here in the U.S.

Well you might not have heard from that many women but I think before extremist muslims start a slaughter of American women you'll find those women taking to the streets and killing them off just as quick as any American man would. No American woman would allow these scum to start slaughtering their children!!!

USA: And have not heard anything from them (women) about Shirah (?) law and how the extremist muslims want it here in the U.S.

SERIOUSLY? Because if the rightwing Christian taliban get into power here in the USA--they are threatening to enforce Christian sharia law on US women (e.g. Mourdoch, Ryan, Akins, etc)--and I'll tell you how American women feel--they are against that 100%. Join them! Siblings of the Light UNITE!!!