Tim Minchin said it the best in song with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTIorwtJbhE

Hear! Hear!

The Pope Song!

Couldn't agree more!

Bloody effing hypocrites.

Is this not proof that the Catholic Church is a popularity contest? Christ said in Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said,

" I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Understand race and you will understand Genesis. Understand Genesis and you will understand the rest of the bible.

Yep the usual Church haters are out in force. Catholics beware the love affair in current vogue is more like lets everybody hide behind the Catholic Church and let them be the cannon fodder fighting for our religious freedom. Take the peanut butter out of your ears and you will here the liberal establishment saying the same words the nazi's did. Last time 1.8 to 1.9 million of my people died because we didn't believe they meant what they said.

You should see how many of my people have died per %....."Native American"

If you believe the out-of-Africa theory, then none of us are native to anywhere else. Even in America, there were people who came here before the Native Americans.

I see this sainthood as an honor given to a young woman as a positive thing, something which today's negativity finds hard to accept as attested to by the responses of others in this site. This is a step forward by the Catholic Church as well as by Christianity.

I first heard about Ketari Tekawitha over 50yrs ago & of the cruel abuse she endured from those around her because of her faith. If even invoking her name can miraculously heal a young child, then she is a saint at least to me.

You are correct.

I think with all the violence and sick think that is taught by the Catholic church it would be considered an arm of Satan...who would tell their kids masturbating kills babies?? God never said that and who are these people to say they speak for god?? Our country was founded by people who wanted to get away from them...if they are truly good people then its obvious to me the church has been hijacked by satan..

Getmadstaymad: Maybe it would benefit you if you read more of the Bible. Jesus was most certainly a JEW. When he was crucified plaque read KING OF THE JEWS because he was a Jew.

I was hoping for St. Tonto.

Kateri Tekakwitha, what a beautiful person. Thanks to God for miracles attributed to her and binging her to sainthood. To all people who desrespect Catholic Church. Repent for your own sake. Pope John Paul 2 apologized for all wrong in the history of the church.

@Travis Sir, your knowledge of Christianity & Catholicism is very poor to say the least. Christianity and Modern Catholicism promotes, strength & power, sex isn't frowned upon though polygamy and out of wed-lock sex is, pleasure isn't really spoken about at all to my knowledge, and independence freedom and liberty are God gifted.

Free advice.. don't argue about something you know little about. If you don't actually know what Christians or Catholics believe then how do you really know that you don't believe something at least similar. I have some friends who are agnostic and some who are atheist and that is their choice and I still like them as people, mostly because without "believing" they regularly act in ways that appear very Christian. But also because they don't try and convince me to believe differently, and they don't because they admittedly say they don't know enough to argue about it.

Travis, what rock did you crawl from under? Every word in your statement was ignorant.

And Joseph, you are a close second. Where did you get your education? Your words are unknowledgeable garbage.

Gunner, you would make valid points had they been given with love and respect. So many do not understand the beauty of loving God and belonging to the Catholic Church. I am blessed to have been transformed and to become the person that God intended. The Saints are models of holiness for us to emulate. Our newest Saint is a wonderful model for believers.

Amazing, the gibberish some people believe.

Consider this premise:

I dare to opine that most people would say that being irrational is not a good thing to be.

Then why is it that, when the issue involves their religious beliefs, religiously-inclined people suspend their rationality and endorse patently irrational beliefs? Why is it deemed ok - and even desirable and honorable - to accept irrationality presented by a religious source when, generally, people would not accept such irrationality from any other source? Why does religion get a 'pass'?

Also, remember this:

1) Religious people view religions OTHER THAN THEIR OWN as being irrational, misguided, and untrue.

2) Religion is different from theological/cosmological inquiry.

Any takers?

Nice teeth, Skin.

the vatican has no shame they disgust me . when they first came to this country like all conquerors they treated the natives like savages . they ripped the children away put them in boarding schools, cut thier hair off and beat them for speaking thier own language.the abuse they carried out on these children is unforgiveable . but the vatican is like that beat tourtue rape even kill to get the submission and convertions they want . this is just a ploy to bring people back into the fold . while still not addressing the problem or taking responsability for the pedophiles in the church or the atrocities they have done for the last 2000 years done in the name of god.
BTW my great,great ,great,grandmother was mohawk. so now they use this girl who had a very abusive life and then became a masochist for god that is just wrong but the vatican is into violence of any kind.
FYI in Ireland they could not stop the people from worshing the goddess bridgett so the vatican turned her into a saint and it was ok then. enough said!

No BMette, No takers. It is not possible to have a "rational" discussion with people who have already made up their minds. And by people, I mean you.

I believe it was Dr. Gregory House who said, "If rational arguments worked on religious people, there wouldn't be any religious people."

@Devlyn13......I agree, and how could so many forget what they did to many Tribe's? They forced little indian children into these bording schools ripping them away from their parents, cut their hair off, molested them, beat them. Whipped them if they spoke their own language! I have a hard time understanding how any Native American can follow these religions after all that they have done to Native people!

Because either the author is suffering from memory lapse, or he is biased. He is probably a descendant of the people who killed the young saint!

@Jerry, Spook-appeasers? Can you well educated, enlightened folks ever speak without name calling?

@Jerry

Maybe you should consider the hate speech you just delivered as a sign that Atheists can be just as radical. Some reason and rational thought for you Sir, maybe you should work on your own issues before trying to fix other peoples issues.

if the dam pope can't find a pedophile in a church how in the hell can he determine who or what is a saint?

The Pope knew who the pedophiles were, how do you think he knew which priests to transfer?

When the leader of your religion actively works to protect child molesters because it might make his church look bad, it's time to find a new religion.

SpcTorres

@Jerry, Spook-appeasers? Can you well educated, enlightened folks ever speak without name calling?

Not when the name that is called is appropriate. And you christians should be the last to complain about name-calling. You call each other names all the time. Protestants call catholic idolaters for performing magic rituals to dead people, and catholics call protestants heretics for worshiping the bible. I just happen to call all christians and other religionists superstitious because that's what they are.

If all christians believed in the same god, they would all belong to the same religion. But, no, they fight and squabble and name-call. The same with jews, mohammedans, et. al. Face it, you all don't believe in the same god. You all appease the spook - and, yes, that's what it is - you have made in your own image and likeness. Now get mad and collapse this post, rather than answering it.

Veteran2010

@Jerry

Maybe you should consider the hate speech you just delivered as a sign that Atheists can be just as radical. Some reason and rational thought for you Sir, maybe you should work on your own issues before trying to fix other peoples issues.

You can believe what ever spookery you want. I'll defend your right to do so, even though I gladly acknowledge I hate that nonsense since it brings so much pain and suffering to the world. We'd be better off when all people accept the good news and salvation of Atheism. But when you ilk try to manipulate the law to impose your spookery on everyone, I'll fight back and I'll gleefully show how much I hate what you believe. You obviously don't like it. Then keep your spookery to yourself and stop trying to impose it on everyone else. Since you're so obviously upset at my pointing out how ridiculous your beliefs are, that says a great deal about your issues regarding your spookery.

Nice job Jerry. Veteran only knows one kind of spook. The one he probably used to pester in highschool. I think he should try looking up the actual definition before coming to conclusions. At least he labelled you sir, to make it look like he had a rational thought and reason.

@I'malwayswrite, Proofread your sentences please. And putting spook, spook, spook, what grade are you in? Can't people in this country have civilized conversations anymore? Maybe people wouldn't dislike you atheist so much, if you all didn't come across as intelligently superior to everyone else.

"Maybe people wouldn't dislike you atheist so much, if you all didn't come across as intelligently superior to everyone else."

And so closed minded... I'm simply amazed to see that somebody who claims to be a smart person has shut his eyes completely to the universe.

Yes, the overly religious people ARE crazy - on that he's absolutely correct - but to advocate that atheism (vs agnosticism) is the way to go for somebody not interested in joining a faith, I just see as rather childish and forced. It's frankly bipolar... what ever happened to the middle setting on the knob?

Just go after the evangelicals and the other jerks who dare to wake you up on the weekend when you're sleeping in. Those jerks have it coming! Leave the rest of them alone unless they want to force their morality on the rest of us - which they should know damn well is something that they CANNOT do in America. Freedom of religion also does mean freedom FROM it too - meaning don't you legislate your morality on me and I won't legislate mine on you.

And stay away from the altar boys - they did not ask to drop the soap...

Wrong, my friend. Everything "evil" is created by the church. Even in our natural state, naked, the church has declared us evil. Religion - the world's oldest profession, the mythology blindly followed, to this day, by the sheep.

@majick - while you are busy tarring 1 billion people with the same brush, please don't forget the "people on the ground". the hierarchy may have done terrible things in the name of god. so have secular leaders, in the name of their philosophies or agendas. but people like Mother Marianne Cope sacrificed their health and lives to help people (lepers in HI, in her case) who others, faithful and faithless alike, didn't want to deal with.

Majick-1, the church is not what I worship. I worship God. Some like you may call this delusional, weak, gullible, a crutch ect...., but what you practice is a belief as well. Everybody has a belief and yes, that in technical terms becomes your religion ( beit your position on life).

When I die and find I'm wrong, I have NOTHING to lose, what do you have to lose if you're wrong? (Rhetorical of course)

Alan Catholics do worship Jesus Christ everyday. And remember when you want to blame Catholics for everything it was Protestants who invaded neutral Poland during the thirty years war and then refused to leave. We call that the Swedish Flood. FYI during the 19 centuries of so-called religious war before the 20th century 4.5 million people died in total including the crusades. In the 20th century in the name of nationalism, socialism and secularism we have killed 20 million in WW I, 50 million in WW II, Russia killed 62 million of their own people and China isn't sure but it is somewhere between 70 and 200 million. Pol Pot killed half the people of his country. Over 100,000 were killed in Ethiopia. Get the point.

lonerreb...so catholics kill less?

Sara :

Your dead wrong ,,not everyone has a belief this is not a exercise in realtivity and somehow everything is connected to havig a belief . NO are some that don't believe in belief,that is not a belief that is a reasoned conclusion with no attachment or vested interest in the outcome other than to say you THINK remember thinking? that this is the correct logical conclusion that is to conclude you don't know and NOBODY knows , and it dosen't matter if you know and you pay more respect to the mystery if you don't paint it up like a whore and screw every civilization it touches..

Here in Tucson there is actually a church named after her. I am happy for their members.

She maintained her chastity something modern people know nothing about.

Amen..I think all organized religion has been hijacked by the bad people..but since people are taught that they represent good...they do what the church says regardless of the negative impact it has on people..sheep sheep sheep...

if the dam pope can't find a pedophile in a church how in the hell can he determine who or what is a saint?

Pope Benedict is just a Nazi-loving war criminal in a white dress. He will do and say anything to cement the Church's power in an age where young people are rejecting organized religion by the tens of millions.

You mean young people are rejecting Christianity (as taught by a "secular" west). What about the Muslim faith which is growing all over the world by leaps and bound, how do you feel about that Mage? Just curious. And as a German I appreciate that they chose a German pope (and last time a Pole). So please stop all your hate mongering towards Germans ( altho I think the nazi calling is just an excuse for name calling)! What would you all do in a dictatorship as a youth where non-complying could equal death?

The pope's and the liturgy of Roman Catholicism are not only responsible for what they have done to the indians, but are responsible for all the imprisonment, torture, burning at the stake, confiscation of property and murder of many peoples through the inquisitions. Rome with here pagan religion is that agency that will be used in the last days in support of the beast, with one of the future popes as that false prophet who will perform those miracles, signs and wonders for the purpose of deceiving the inhabitants of the earth into believing that the antichrist, that beast, is God.

And as a Pole I see through you. Your words could be coming out of the mouth of a nazi storm trooper or a Russian communist no real difference. My people died or were enslaved under both.

Lonereb:

And also see this..yours words could be coming out of the mouth of a fool..and also your people did their share of the enslavement and crimes to people in Poland . People of the world not just poland contine to die

and are enslaved to a world of violence because fools beleive this crap...

The Pope is actually a satanist....check out some of the you tube videos showing him making the 666 sign and sitting in a chair with an upside down cross......So exactly as I'malwayswrite says do not trust these organizations. They are pure evil!!

Tell that to the millions of muslims taking over the earth.

Finally someone with some common sense, Isn't that like witchcraft healing someone with special powers, Maybe she is the devil and know on knows it... Ill be fine im an atheist..

Just sayin..

Athiests just love to jump all over these articles on Religion so they can spew their hatred for it. Why bother reading about it if you don't believe.....move onto something else. I know....it makes you feel better about yourself to try and hurt others with your words. What a fine ideology you have ....so loving ....so thoughtful. You probably preach to others that we need to be understanding of all others whether they are gay, different race or different culture but when it comes to religion that is all out the window. Your hipocracy sickens me. If you have faith...no explanation is needed....if you have no faith....no explanation is possible......so move on.

I disagree, hipocracy exists in the church as well. Why so much secrecy? How many people were killed in gods name only to have the church turn around and make them saints? What bothers me is that when you question religion, you are evil. We can question politics but not religion. Religion is a hearding mentality. I though humans had a brain capable of curiosity! What if religion is a fake and it is proven, what would you do then?

Good comment B17

nightscout hypocrisy exists also in you. You are not perfect nor are you immune from human weakness. In fact you pride yourself on the worst of human weakness. I will die for what I believe in will you die for what you believe in? I know God lives because He has touched me. It is He who brought me home to the Catholic Church. So you can all say what you will. I will follow where my Lord leads. I prayed to the Father and He lead me to Our Lady to remake this sinner into the image of His Son.

Unbelieveable only millions of Muslims. There are 1.6 billion Catholics worldwide. They worship with 21 different liturgies under two main rites. And that doesn't count those who follow the same rites but don't accept Rome's primacy. In most places they are called Christians.

How in the world can injuring the body God gave you be an act of God? This seems like the act of another entity all together. That is, of course, if you believe in any of this.

unbelievable-3571258

Tell that to the millions of muslims taking over the earth.

I have. A mohameddan women tried to "convert" me to her superstiton. I told her the truth about her false belief. She became irrate and told me I would be "punished for my blasphemy" against her false spook and fictitious "prophet." I told her this is America and she she give it a shot and I would show her what I can do to her and see if allah would help her. We Atheists, although we respect the right of people to believe what they want so long as they keep it private, have no respect for any of their superstitious beliefs whether mohammedan or christian. When they try to impose ("share") it with us, we give it right back to them. Keep your nonsense to yourselves, practice it all you want behind closed doors, but if you shove it in my face, just watch what I'll do to your face.

I also live nearby and while driving past the Kateri shrine last night I was filled with a sense of peace. I don't understand why non believers feel the need to bash those of us who do. You keep asking for proof that our faith is well placed.

I challenge you to provide evidence that it is not. Nasty words and name calling do not qualify.

Sorry, cynsterwytche, but the person making the wild claims is the one who has to prove them. If I say that the universe was created by the Invisible Pink Unicorn, it's not up to you to prove that it wasn't.

I would say that over 2000 years later we are still talking about a carpenter named Jesus is pretty compelling. Who is the Father or Mother of Athiesm again? Their name escapes me.

Non-believers bash religion because it helps them to feel superior. There is no humility in self promotion.

B17-3608694 - Who is the Father or Mother of Athiesm again? Their name escapes me.

I think it's called "Reality".

I beg to differ.....I think it is called hopeless

Early out I have to prove nothing to you. I am not telling you that you have to live my way. It is not me that you will answer too and it is not you that I will answer to. I will answer to my Lord for what I have done or not done in this life. So go and deny Christ if that is what you really believe I will not deny my God. Luke 1:38 Behold I am the handmaid of the Lord be it done to me according to His Word.

Some of us grow out of the need for imaginary friends at a young age, but superstitious people like B17 never grow up.

rick-4005049

Non-believers bash religion because it helps them to feel superior

We free-thinkers don't bash religion to feel superior. It's because we are superior that we bash religion.

B17-3608694

I beg to differ.....I think it is called hopeless

Yes, I agree. Believing that some some goblin has to tell anyone what's right or wrong, and by performing magical rituals to appease that goblin so one can be rewarded with pie-in-the-sky is very hopeless.

The Native American candidate for sainthood is a VICTIM of the Church. One of tens of millions of victims.

actually, you are correct, basically anyone who goes to heaven become saints. The difference is that "the saints" we know are people who we are SURE of, (because of God telling us through their miracles, etc.) that they will, FOR SURE go to heaven. everyone else, there really is no telling of if we will go to heaven or not. only God can tell that.

steven carlson, thanks for calling the BIBLE a "bunch of nonsense". MeWayne, is refering to St. John 14 particularly verse 6. "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." Also Act 4:12, " Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is no other name given under heaven among men whereby we must be saved" Which is the reason I cannot follow catholicism. I follow the Bible not the pope.

Amen brother! Oh, I meant you are right on!

The bible cans serve as a book of guidelines, to some degree, of how to conduct ones self.

The guidelines were tured into religious beliefs. Thats when things went wrong.

Butterfly Mage you are absolutely correct, and as the victimizers came here as they did in other continents,

with a gun, a bible , and the so called holy cross ( a symbol of suffering and shame).

Freedom of Beliefs ...Stop the Hate

I don't hate Catholics. I hate the Catholic Church. There's a big difference. I haven't met one single Catholic practitioner who thinks pedophilia is good, but the Church props up pedophiles at every turn. The overwhelming majority of Catholics use contraception. The RCC would prefer the human race to overbreed until the ecology collapses.

Well said Mewayne. Popes are not the successors of Peter, but are the successors of the position of Roman Emporers. If Peter were here, he would denounce Roman Catholicism, as would all the apostles, for it is not the true church, but a counterfeit. Even a cursory look into Roman Catholicism would show that it is not the church of Christ. The word of God states that we are saved by grace through faith and not by works, it is the gift of God. Yet Roman Catholicism teaches that God's grace is given into the liturgies hands to be meted out by them and that only through the sacraments can a person be cleansed of sin. The word of God says that Jesus died once and for all and acsended to the right hand of God where he makes intercession for those who believe, never to repeat his sacrifice again. Yet, Roman dogma states that the priest mysteriously pulls Christ down out of heaven so that he is literally present in the Eucharist, so that when a person partakes of it, he is literally eating the flesh and blood of Christ.

Obviously unknown to Roman Catholicism, Jesus was speaking figuratively when he said, "Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you." Jesus also said that unless you are born again you cannot see the kingdom of God. So, does that mean that we need to somehow get back inside our mother's womb? Jesus also said that he was the bread that came down from heaven. Does that mean that he is literally a loaf of bread? Is he also a literal sheepgate? Of course not, he was speaking figuratively.

Wake up you Roman Catholics! For God is calling you to come out of that mystery Babylon system:

"Come out of her my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; for her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes." (Rev.18:4-8)

It is not picking people it is recognizing those who lived exceptional lives to be role models for the Church. You say He was speaking figuratively but every Apostle followed the ritual exactly using the same words. Now if you are correct I have lost nothing but if you are wrong? Now I know that this is where the Lord my God wants me not because of anything you might say but because of something He did. I am here for you to bash because of what He did for me. I have felt His guiding hand, really felt His guiding hand. It has guided me right into the confessional and to almost daily mass. It has even guided me to a St Louis de Montfort Total Casecration. Athwaukee I don't think you could even do that it means giving up too much of yourself willingly.

How was Mary?

Not bad, but inexperienced and a little preachy.

She smelled, too. Had a nice a$$, though.

-god, I think it's long past time that you dropped the pretense and admit that you're simply covering for Mary's out-of-wedlock teenage pregnancy. "Raped by a deity" is no longer a viable excuse to avoid being stoned to death.

In large part they still are Wry, and still raking in the dough.

The Roman Catholic Church has the resources to solve world hunger and treatable diseases tomorrow. It is a fact that the Church sits on tens of trillions of dollars. All the RCC does is bail out pedophiles, bribe politicians, and slam gays. The RCC suppresses science, education, and freedom at every chance. The RCC is also resembling the Taliban more and more every day.

I cant believe people are buying in to this @!$%#. There is no such thing as magic...

Butterfly Magic You forgot one group. Women. Priests were finally prohibited from marrying when the RCC realized that the issue of inheritance was solved in the cases of very rich family connected priests could not marry and have children.

Whenever the sentence begins...In the Bible, I have to tune it out. The bible is only a book written by a group of old men who wanted to control a large group of people and their money.

The funny thing about your comments are that they are only words. I have to admit that I really do feel sorry for all of you Athiests. Think about it for a moment and ask yourself this question.......If Athiesm is right and when you die there is nothing else then the believers are in the same boat as you.....nothing gained nothing lost. But, if you are wrong and believers are right........wow......eternity is an awful long time to gamble. I don't want to hear that well your God is supposed to be so forgiving.....he is but what he asks of us is to believe in him while on Earth although you will be persecuted for it. The only unforgivable sin is the one of denying him. I hope and do pray you are just ignorant because of maybe your youth or something else that pushed you away from him but please.....don't go through life without really exploring who he is. What is wrong with a man who only preached love? I hope I reach someone out there as many will just ignore my words....if I reached one I win.

dmatthews3- exactly. it's not magic, its God's miracles.

Do you have some proof that theres 'something' after death? Or is it more likely to that 'life after death' is used to hold people accountable for their actions while still living?

When you can come back with some data, please share it with us.

But, if there is 'nothing' after death, you spent a significant amount of your life and money on mambo jumbo, making a fool of yourself, and making somebody rich, the 'church'.

Why doesn't the Vatican spread out some of its loot on the starving people of Africa, instead of expecting volunteers to send a few bucks and have volunteers tend to the sick? Greed, that is why.

Look how the pope lives, and how Christ lived. Similar yes? Keep on believing what you will. It is not free!

Thank You !!!

To Nightscout:

Do you have proof that there isn't something after death? The burden of proof is on you and all unbelievers and that because all you have is hearsay regarding what happens after death, where we have the word of God that promises us eternal life. In fact, life after death is the very reason that Jesus came here.

What people don't understand is that, everyone in the world who comes to an age of accountablity is already on their way to condemning judgment and the lake of fire, guaranteed! Jesus came here to rescue us from condemning judgment and the lake of fire, which is the place of final separation and torment. Anyone who continues to reject God's provision of salvation through His Son Jesus Christ remains separated from God and will not see eternal life and that because they have not believed in the One who paid the penalty for their sins.

It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God!

If indeed I am wrong, devil take me...

dmatthew3 when you have literally felt the hand of God on your back in the middle of a motorcycle accident that you and the bike survived tell me that again. I have bikers all over this area that think I'm some kind of Evel Knievel. What I am is a 65 year old woman on a bike that sat through a miracle and did nothing except not fall off. I didn't direct the bike into the only little tree that could save me and wedge it in such a way neither the bike or I was seriously damaged. $30 repair bill to straighten brake line took three guys to get the hadlebar out of the tree. Bike stopped in a standing position. My friends say they never met someone so happy to be in a motorcycle accident. It wasn't the accident it was the feeling of being deeply loved and protected all through the accident and for the next three weeks. It was when I finally felt the glow leave that I went to Confession and reconciled with the Church. There have been other instances of guidance too numerous to mention since then. I have given my life over to Gods guidance and providence.

Butterfly ~~~~~~~~>>> Sources !!! or STFU !!!

Organized religion and organized crime are one in the same. The only difference is that organized crime occasionally gets prosecuted.

You all savages gather round, now. We're missionaries and we're here to help...

Hi Jack,

What you have written is the very essense of the problem. Our eyes should not be on organized religion, for it cannot save anyone. Salvation is through Christ alone. We gather together as a church to worship and glorify God as believers, but the church saves no one. The problem with a lot of people is that their faith is in their church instead of in Christ. This attitude or types of believers, can be found written as examples in the letters to the seven churches listed in the book of Revelation.

For those who have continued to reject Christ based on what other so-called Christian groups or individuals have done in his name should be irrelevent. For the question to each individual should be, what is your answer to the Father and to Christ for the penalty he paid for your sins with with his righteous blood. Those other groups will be judged accordingly, but their actions do not remove that fact that we all need a savior and without Him no one will see life.

Your BuyBull god is a sham. If your god existed, then how did the Holocaust happen? Oh, that's right, the Roman Catholic Church was actually rooting for the Nazis in WWII and only changed their allegiance when it became apparent that Hitler was going to lose.

The current pope aided Nazis even after the war was over, just like he aided child rapists in covering up their crimes. This guy is one of the most despicable characters alive in the world today.

Yup, Leroy, and the one before this one, never said a word regarding the sad state of rampant pedophilia.

Some Saint that Pole.

The pope has authority because Christ gave it to Peter. Skyparrot where were your people when this government handed that Pole's people over to the Russians. Thanks to the US and British government my people lived under Communist rule for 47 years against our will. Thank You for your selling out of my people. Our people finally acheived freedom in 1992.

loner: So Jesus said for Paul to start a church. How does that relate to the RCC that got its start several hundred years later as a hybridization of Christianity and Roman Paganism?

if the dam pope can't find a pedophile in a church how in the hell can he determine who or what is a saint?

if youd like to read the article, these were french jesuits at play here. you are thinking of the spanish conquistadores and the english. please dont lump others into one single, neat little package to fit your emotions. dont be a bigot and assume that the spanish, english, and french are all the same because of their skin color and/or religion. please also dont assume that any person from a certain group does not have the right to freely choose a new path, this is very narrow minded.finally, i am not a catholic nor religious person but i really despise propaganda in whatever form. the catholic church is all about money? they have devoted their lives to spirituality as far as i can see. they have done more for worldwide poverty than the majority of others. why dont you call the dalia lama a 1% while youre at it.

All three organizations you reference all take their marching orders from the same death-dealer (the Pope), so I think it is perfectly fair to lump it all together.

what are you sayng? they were in a constant state of warfare with one another.

Yeah... the Church is funny that way. It has a long history of supporting both sides of incredibly bloody conflicts. The Church's master is not God, but Death.

Isn't it ironic. Usually when there is a Catholic article on here, a lot of "Christians" come on and go into a feeding frenzy against the Catholic Church. But, Now, in an article about native Americans, Catholics are being lumped in with the Christians for destroying Native Americans when Catholics weren't even in this country until at least mid 1800s and then spent many years being ostracized and prejudiced against after they got here (by the existing "Christians").

I'm a Wiccan, not a Christian. I stand against the Church because it stands against freedom, kindness, goodness, peace, and hope at every single opportunity. The Church never refrains from declaring some segment of humanity as "subhuman" or as "abominations". The Church STILL behaves this way. Look at how it demonizes homosexuals. The Church has spent hundreds of millions of dollars stepping on gays when it could have been feeding the poor. The Church has no moral credibility whatsoever.

Actually Wiccans are stewards of the planet and do not make attacking others a personal agenda. You are nothing more than a bigot hiding behind a religion to pass judgment. I wish you well on your life journey because you definitely need it.

Before you attack me in your rebuttal, I bow before NO god nor man..

In response to Dave-2478570:

You may not be bowing before God now, but you will in the future one way or another:

"Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue
confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Even those who reject him will bow before him confess him. Wouldn't it be better to bow before him now, wilfully and be forgiven for sin and have the promise of eternal life?

PS Wiccans are not the stewarts of the planet and are at enmity with God who is the true stewart and creator. Anything thing that is practiced that does not involve God is sin, for God created all things and all things are held together by him. Wiccans seek out other entities aside from God which leads to the lake of fire. Calling upon any other entities is actually calling upon demonic beings out of ignorance of the truth. God is sovereign and controls everthing in creation.

The prime directive of the Rede is to cause no harm to other people. The RCC causes incalculable harm to both humanity and the ecology every day. That is part of why I don't like the RCC. It's also pretty obvious that you have fallen into the trap of declaring that people who decry bigotry are bigots. If I say "I hate the KKK", I am not a "KKK bigot", I am a rational person who decries the hateful practices of the KKK. Me decrying the racism, homophobia, and religious intolerance espoused by the Catholic Church doesn't make me a bigot. It means I don't like what the Church stands for.

Just to set the record straight: I have no problem with actual Catholics. Most mainstream practitioners I have encountered are perfectly decent people. It is the Church hierarchy and its entrenched hatred of life, love, and light is what I vehemently oppose.

Ahwatukee: Who or what is God? Is it a He, She, or It. What do we know of this being? What we read in a book? Stories that were passed down and interpreted hundreds of times over thousands of years?

Were we created (poof and you are Adam), cloned (aliens), or evolved through evolution? Child born of a virgin, meaning Joseph did not have sex with his wife, was artificial insemination available? Knock three times and the waters of the Red Sea part? Say whaaa?

When humans could not understand something, or why something occurred, a devine being must be responsible. Ever heard of someone coming out of a coma? So, if 2,000 years ago I was attending to a person who was in a coma, and that person snapped out of it, I became a miracle worker? A potential priest? Come guys, you have a brain. Question authority, this time the church. Why the secrecy of the Vatican?

Mage, please stop relating Roman Catholicism to Christianity, for nothing could be further from the truth. She (Roman Catholicism) is full of the rituals and cermonies that stem from the mystery Babylonian religions, which is why she is referred as Mystery Babylon in the book of Revelation. This false religious system is going to be used in the last days by Satan, the beast and the false prophet to deceive the inhabitants of the earth, all whose names have not been written in the book of life from before the world began.

Nightscout,

Here is what the word of God says regarding your question:

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." (2 Tim.3:16)

"Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." (2 Pet.1:20)

"I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. (Gal.1:11)

These Scriptures listed above were written specifically for those who would bring up this very issue, because men have beeen doing it from the beginning. This is only an excuse to remain were you are, that is, living in the sinful nature so that you don't have to repent and acknowledge your need for forgiveness. You can go on believing that this word is only the word of men, but I know it to be the word of God.

Jesus said, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away."

Whoever has the Son has life, but whoever does not have the Son will not see life for the wrath of God rests upon him.

PS Please stop relating the Vatican to Christianity, for this is a counterfeit system that is written about in the book of Revelation. She is that woman who rides the beast and is not the church of Christ. Also, regarding your other concerns, it is no great thing for the creator of all things to make a virgin pregnant or to part the Red Sea or any orther sea. In fact, nothing is imposible for God who is almighty and all powerful. Your talking about the One who spoke the worlds into existance and by whom they keep their courses. Nature shouts out creator! He is the One who created all the different species of fish and sea creatures, the different varieties of trees with their different fruits. He is the One who created all the different animals with their prey predator characteristics, all the different types of vegetables, etc. And you are concerned about how God could cause a virgin to become pregnant? I don't think that you understand the concept of "All Mighty."

You can of course continue in your lack of belief, but there are consequences to that, which is why Jesus came here in the first place and that is, to keep you from condemning judgment and the Hell.

Butterfly mage you mean the English who beheaded people for being Catholic were taking orders from the Pope? See St Thomas More.

Loner: I think that RCC is a murder cult specifically and that Christianity is a murder cult generally. The fact that ANYBODY in your faith murders each other over doctrine is prime evidence that your religion is morally bankrupt.

Ahwatukee just proved what I said about you so called Christians at #17.5. And Mage, it wasn't Catholics that were burning you witches at the stake in America. It was your new buddy Ahwat's peeps. Mag, why aren't you over on the other article about Muslims in Morocco denying they destroyed a pagan rock. But you're All over this one. Can't shut you up!

Exactly. Sainthood doesn't benefit the saint at all. The person is dead. All it does in increase the cash flow to the Church so that it can buy more Republicans like Paul Ryan and Rick Santorum as well as bail out pedophiles.

I just looked at the picture and had my laugh. Kissing a table cloth is not exactly my idea of something holy

And the statue looks like a caucasian in a buckskin dress.....

Butterfly Mage while all of you very bright physicists are chasing the Big Bang theory here are two minor facts you should know about it. Lematrie who proposed it to Einstien and received the Nobel Prize is Father Lematrie a Catholic priest. Two the theory says there was absolutly nothing and then there was an explosion of light that is ever expanding which caused all creation. Now let's see what was that God said in Genesis 1 "Let there be light"

Loner: There have certainly been scientific luminaries in the Roman Catholic Church. The founder of genetics was also a Catholic monk. HOWEVER, that speaks for the moral and intellectual fortitude of the individual practitioner. Please tell me of any incidence where the Catholic Church has ever formally endorsed the expansion of science. For cryin' out loud, man, the RCC fought against the expansion of basic LITERACY for hundreds of years.

Organized religion does no such thing. Organized religion brainwashes the masses into committing gratuitous violence. The Church, historically, has gotten believers to murder people of different faith, different skin color, and different political affiliation. The Church is responsible for tens of millions of deaths throughout history. The Church affirms death and genocide, darkness and hate.

If you could see into the spirit world, Vatican City would appear as a stinking, fetid ossuary where bone dust and ash swirls and the spectral howling of the spirits of the Church's myriad victims shriek for vengeance.

The Roman Catholic Church (and organizations like it, such as Islam and Mormonism) is a cancer upon the world and will be the undoing of mankind if allowed to go unchecked.

We need to be calculative to move society forward and do things to help people in the real physical world, Skim. Basking in the warm glow of a delusional belief in an afterlife of eternal bliss must be nice for those able to delude thamselves to the extent required, but it has no real practical purpose in improving our lives.

the brainwashing which you suggests is a cleansing.. read a lower comment by me and btw, I would suggests ur passion for knowing drive u to study pre-WWII conditions in Europe to understand what drove a nation to embrace a dictator.. Same as what we see now with our leader in the US.. Suggesting oppression of any subgroup over another to work in poverty or slavery has a shelf-life.. it doesn't usually even last a generation..

LeRoy, the seasons of the Year would suggests more than what we choose to ground in Real Time. We also have a secular way of viewing the world around us that does not help the health and/or dispositions of human instinct.

Most would know that as a human race, we are driven to make decisions based on emotions and emotional responses to events and others..

If you could see into the spirit world, Vatican City would appear as a stinking, fetid ossuary where bone dust and ash swirls and the spectral howling of the spirits of the Church's myriad victims shriek for vengeance.

I have but then I was walked beyond on that one fixation and saw how the other religion and ideologies play into the mix, with all their flaws hanging out their to junk up their perfected polished image to the shallowed out world.. Ultimately realizing all human beings have the propensity to bad, good, and evil.. This religion like the next lives in a flawed world.. not a pefect world.. and like the next religion that gives dignity back after the realization of how calmities diabolically calculated to close to natural disaster has a place to humble itself. It is a healing place..from the outside world that has no intention but to be a frictional catalyst.

Butterfly Mage I walked away from Catholicism for 42 years. I lived in opposition to what my Church believed on marriage and divorce. In the end I was depressed, broke at one point living for three days in a rest area on I 37. I was closed in and isolated from everyone then channel surfing I came across the beatification of John Paul II. I couldn't turn it off. I stayed up all night since the ceremony is 2:30 am my time. Since then it has been a convoluted trip home via a christian biker group and a church that I call a pep rally for God without the football game. You can live as you wish but I know where God wants me. I ask this I don't feel any need to convince you just offer to you what I have. But you feel you must put down everybody else. Who is the insecure one?

You and I have had difference experiences with Christianity. About 15 years ago, I went through a really tough spot in my life that lasted about a year. I got downsized to 20 hours per week, I was ostracized by my family (they hated my psycho-crazy dad so nobody in the family was talking to me for the past decade or so). My dad (being a psycho-crazy) disowned me for being gay. I had run out of food, money, and medicine. In desperation, I turned to the church that I had faithfully served for 13 years as a choir member. All I wanted was some food.

The Priest refused to part with a can of soup or a block of cheese or a loaf of bread. My so-called "brothers and sisters in Christ" were willing to quote Bible verses at me but otherwise did nothing.

I can't properly convey words to describe how dark and terrible that year was. But I will always remember how in my period of greatest need, the Church turned me away.

F--- the church.

And just to compare and contrast:

As a Wiccan Priest, I did not turn away a destitute covenor who was in need of food and had no money. My spouse and I cooked a full meal for this person and let him wash his clothes at our house. Wicca doesn't have the untaxed trillions of dollars like the RCC does, but I did what I could to help.

Butterfly ``````````I can believe that individual priests or other agents of the CC may have failed you as you say. But, I have decades of experience with The Catholic Church and Catholics in general, plus a reasonable comprehension and familiarity with CC practices and beliefs and history. Sure! There have been some failures. Some of them real doozies! But, it is just not so that the CC has been as consistently corrupt in every single way throughout the entire world history since Jesus walked the earth as you claim. If I am wrong, I wait for your documentation of my error.

I await your documentation that shows one single incident in which the RCC officially, as a stated policy, endorsed the expansion of science, freedom, social justice, or civil rights. It just has never happened.

The RCC supported slavery, witch burnings, and religious persecution. The Church was against the expansion of literacy to the masses. It stood with Hitler until it looked like Hitler would lose. It was against women voting, blacks voting, interracial couples marrying, and interfaith couples marrying. And now they're vehemently against same-sex couples marrying. The Church hides pedophiles all over the world.

Please document for me one single time where the Pope made a decision that truly benefited the human race.

I'm still waiting for the Church to apologize for murdering shamans and witches.

Mage ,if your news was current Pope John Paul II Did that years ago. Records of it are online and also in In Vatican Archive.

And yet the Church is still murdering witches in Africa today. There were even a bunch of little kids a couple months ago who were murdered because the Church taught the locals to kill witches.

Actually that was your Muslim friends. That blew up the church with the kids in it. I'm not even sure it was a Catholic Church.

Sorry, pal, but the witch-killings are all Christian-initiated.

Butterfly! And I am still waiting for your documentation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/18/african-children-denounce_n_324943.html

Maybe she will become the patron saint of Stockholm Syndrome.

The article is offensive to any person born and reared in this great nation. I'm a Native American and I'm Caucasian. I have Negro and Mongoloid neighbors and they are both Native Americans. "Political correctness" is a BS term dervied by crooked liberal polititians to sooth the masses. It has, in fact, divided the people of America.

The American Indian being cannonized is a step in the right direction for the Church to come out of the dark ages.

I wonder how many of the people complaining are willing to accept any mix in their background. I have 8 count them ethnicities covering 2 of the 3 races. I always like it when people tell me to go back where I came from "Milwaukee" or the countries that no longer exist. I usually say Polish because at least that country still exists.

I usually just think of myself as "American" and leave it at that.

Mage, how about we just continue to think of you as disgusting and leave it at that?

Butterfly --- I gave you a "Thumbs Up" for your post 22.4. Live long and prosper!!!

Relly: I am sure that the native peoples would have made mistakes too. But the had a right to make their own mistakes without getting put to the sword by bloodthirsty Catholic zealots. There is nothing holy about the Catholic Church.

you know absolutely nothing about pre european persons on t he continent. rape, warfare, torture-especailly torture-werent mistakes. this was part of their cultures and everyday lives. these werent mistakes. you can hate the catholico church all you want, i really dont care. but at least be educated on the subject before sprouting off your ignorance.

Butterfly Mage what do you do with the information that science has found through mitrochondrial DNA that brother we all had the same mother. All humanity is descended from one (1) woman. BTW My people came to this country in 1886 and 1892 the Indian wars were already over, slavery was over. Your cousins the Mongols almost destroyed my people in the 13th century. They murdered an entire generation of young men and raped all the women. We just called all the little bast#rds Poles and went on with it. Of course sometimes the new baby looks more like the owner of the chinese buffet than his parents Oh Well.

Humanity did not spring from just one woman. The BuyBull is not a biology textbook.

Butterfly! Mitrochondrial DNA studies DID NOT come from the Bible, but from MODERN SCIENCE. BTW, I assume she had a partner.

What's good about the Church. For me, "anti-Christian" is a mark of trust.

Because you're a witch?

That is part of it. The RCC doesn't exactly have a good history of being kind to witches.

I'm more interested in the biology of the boy's body that allowed him to make a "miraculous" recovery. He must have an incredible immune system.

Some people beat cancer too. My spouse survived cancer as an infant. Nobody's going to make him a saint.

Butterfly Mage suggest you read paragraphs 830 to 856 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church the last one of those concerns the Church's belief regarding pagans and salvation. It is available free to read online at the USCCB website we don't check baptismal certificates. The rest concern the Churches belief about other Christians ,Jews and Muslims. Then you will at least be arguing against what we believe not what you think or were told we believe