Michael.....This Administration is the most idiotic, insensitive group of dolts in our countrys' history. Aside from the Increase in U.S. Poverty, Social Welfare Programs and Apologies to the World , what the hell have they accomplished in 3+ years??? And, I can guarantee you, SOME LIBERAL idiot will post a stream of "accomplishments" by the Obama Administration that will include things that would have happened even if these clowns had taken a permanent vacation for their entire terms of Office.

"Clinton and Mikati agreed that the United States "would provide assistance in the investigation of the bombing.""

Looking at the report I am wondering whether Hillary is sane! She appears to have removed Lebanon's past history, Somalia and recent most disgraceful Benghazi killings from her memory.

She dances as Jewish lobby wants. Otherwise, she talks nonsense and acts like an idiot.

Just wait for Hillary and Bill's dances to start in 2016 for Presidential bid! She has collected enough Sunni Saudis, oil companies, Jewish and lobbyists support for big dances and dramas!

Michael, you post on EVERY foreign event news story and blame Obama. Every last one. You are no different here, except now you add Clinton. Many around the world think G. Bush should be tried and imprisoned for invading Iraq and misleading the international community on WMDs.

As for the moderate who expects someone to post Obama's accomplishments, what do you expect when you make a stupid statement like:

what the hell have they accomplished in 3+ years???

I'm not going to bother posting the lengthy list, because it would be a waste of my time. I will say that blaming Obama for a spontaneous terrorist attack in Libya is nothing more than an attempt to gain political points. As the economy continues to improve and jobless numbers come down, Republicans have had to look elsewhere to attack Obama and a militant group of several hundred have given them their gift. They won't bother to acknowledge that it was their budget bill that stripped $300 million dollars from the State Department for embassy and diplomatic security.

Michael knows full well a full investigation is underway on the Libyan incident, led by Issa in the House and McCain in the Senate. The CIA and FBI are also involved in the investigation.

You trolls just keep up spreading you BS go somewhere else with it. There was nothing wrong with the way the response was handled at all. Information that you claim should have been available was not at the time everyone spoke. All you are doing is aiding the enemy with this political attack. During the wars in Afghanistan and iraq the same things happened but were dismissed as being just what happens in a war zone. Seems you right wingers have bought into AlQuedas attempt to influence our election and rid themselves of the Person kicking theri butts calle Obama.

So, now we'll be paying for this countries troubles, just friggen great....Old fatface Billary can lie with the best of them....

Michael: Obama and Clinton in prison.............??????????? Really???????????

WHY ?

Christ - what does it take to convince morons that this administration has only one demonstrable foreign policy - appease and kiss the ass of muslims no matter their political predisposition. Some of you friggin people make me sick. Hillary emphasized " the United States firm committment to Lebanons stability, independence, soveriegnity and security". Translation - She and her boss committ our nation to support a nation controlled by Hezbollah and fundamentalists that send hundreds of rockets into Israel every year, sends drones over Israel, infllitrate armed groups to murder little kids and old men, and are armed and funded by Iran that has vowed to destroy Israel AND us and is on the threshold of having nuclear weapons that will possibly pull the world into WW3 in the middle East. People like Giantego and Ray in Jax are typical left-wing droids that would support the idiots we have in Washington no matter how many Americans get butchered. Ray in Jax - Blaming Obama for the terrorist attacks in Libya that resulted from the total, complete stupidity of Hillary and the Obama administrations policy of appeasment is just to "score political points". Tell to the mothers of the dead! What total idiots - ant they vote no less! As for seeing Obama and Clinton in prison, "I would rather see them both move to a country with people that think just like them - maybe the Sudan.

Yep. They are that stupid. I'd just like to see 'em dropped in the Sudan desert.

My, my. Is "Ray in Jax that stupid ? I think yes.

Is "Giantego" that stupid too ? I think yes.

None of this makes sense. Whether one likes the Syrians or not, there have been multiple suicide and simple car bombs in Syria. No doubt the Syrians believe these were channeled cross border with the active or passive support of Lebanon and or Turkey - so why would we not investigate those? In principle, suicide/car bombings are terrorist acts no matter where they occur. If the US objects to this one in Beirut they should also object to those anywhere else. Moral ambiguity is very dangerous as it justifies anything for anyone under any circumstance. Basically one mans terrorist act is another mans fight for freedom. There have to be bounds. This is the kind of thing that turns on us and bites us.

The United States of Israel always wants to help in these bomb probes and anyone can guess who they will find guilty. Just more propaganda to further their agenda. Wesley Clark, 7 Countries in 5 Years. That Simple.

Sandman: You would find a role for Israel even if this article was about global warming. By doing so now, you have exposed yourself for who you really are. How about blaming Muslim on Muslim violence for a change. Interethnic violence among the Muslims has existed since the begining of time. The Arabs' hatred of the Jewish State has never been strong enough to prevent the bloody rivalries that repeatedly rocked the Middle East. These conflicts were evident in the civil wars in Yemen and Lebanon, as well as in the war between Iraq and Iran, in the gassing of countless Kurds in Iraq, and in the killing of Iraqis by Iraqis, Syrians by Syrians as well as the killing of Egyptians by Egyptians. Are you going to blame the Jews and Israel for that too?

As much as the People of the United States would like to have Piece around the world especially in he middle east. Our priority's need to change!

1. How can our government change the thinking of peoples that have acted like this for thousands of years. It wont happen! not in our life time. I did not see Mohammad come from the sky and burst out to hurt people and the one that are, they are doing it on there own. This killing for religious purpose is nonsense.

I know there and peaceful people in the Muslim world, but they are the 2%. We need to get out of there let the crazy people kill them self's and try to work with the people left behind the survive there own fanatic's.

Will this happen in my lifetime NO! I doubt it! there is righteous people who care then there are self righteous people who kill. Until a higher power comes from the sky, Mohammad, Jesus, buda ect.. you'd better be happy with the live you have.

I'm getting sick of seeing the violence of these peolpe in the name of religion!

Thats my 2 cents for today!

BUTT OUT

We cannot afford this anymore. President Obama spent $2.1 Trillion that was not previously Budgeted for, requring the Cuts to the previously Budgeted For Programs, Projects, Agencies.

ALL of you Demoncraps demanding this or not stopping YOUR insanity at YOUR Expense Fly to Beirut AND provide YOUR own Security. If you get killed, injured, wounded, US will deny your very existance.

No matter who you determine did the bombing, everyone will be accusing YOU of taking sides and demand your execution.

Ray in Jax,

YOU NEED TO GET OVER YOURSELF.

1. President Bush is NOT the US President anymore.

2. Iraq: President Clinton's US Law, H.R.4655, "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" Justification Section 2 Weapons of Mass Destruction, Section 3 US Policy Overthrow of Presidnet Hussein; with US Congressional Appropriations As Operation Iraqis Freedom. THAT IS WHAT GOT THE US INTO WAR WITH IRAQ and the US Senate's 2002 Iraqi War Resolution, making Iraq meet the criteria for a Declared War, with Both Houses Declaring War. It is also US Congress' Responsibility to find the Money for the US Laws they Create, as US Congressional Appropriations, not the US President.

3. The ONLY ILLEGAL UNFUNDED WAR, was President Obama's Libya, in DIRECT Violation of US Law, that LIMITS and RESTRICTS the US Presidential War Powers, 1973 War Powers Resolution (Act), this is an Impeachable Offense. President Obama did NOT notify Both Houses of US Congress 48 Hours before ANY US Military Actions, because US Congress was not notified they did not have time to write a US Law (therefore ILLEGAL) with US Congressional Appropriations (therefore UNFUNDED) to cover President Obama's arse. So without US Congressional Appropriations, President Obama used not Budgeted For Discretionary Spending.

4. It is President Obama's Proposal to US Congress, to chop the previously Budgeted For Entitlements for US Citizens (the 47%), the Agencies that manage those, etc.; as Govenor Romulan is not President.

5. Due to President Obama as Commander In Chief Ordered current Reduction In Forces of the US Military of 90,000 US Military thrown on Unemployment further straining the Veterans Affairs (Administration), and throwing 108,000 US Civilians employed by the US Military; YOU provide your own Security at Beirut as well as pay for yourself to get there. Doing what President Obama as Commander In Chief has done (wrong, left, actions for the situations), and failed to do (right actions for the situations) now the Less than 1% of US Citizens of the US Military are Deployed more often for longer tours, while CHICKEN HAWK DEMONCRAPS get the US Military involved with more situations (President Obama's Secret Wars) and (DEMONCRAP SOS Clinton) demands the US Military be involved in United Nations Missions as the World Police.

That was my first thought Michael as I read the headline....so when will they get there mid November?

There are fairly clear reasons for the inter-ethnic violence. Unlike nation-states in Europe, modern Lebanese, Jordanian, Syrian, and Iraqi nationalities did not evolve. They were arbitrarily created by colonial powers.

In 1919, in the wake of World War I, England and France as Mandatories (e.g., official administrators and mentors) carved up the former Ottoman Empire, which had collapsed a year earlier, into geographic spheres of influence. This divided the Mideast into new political entities with new names and frontiers.

Territory was divided along map meridians without regard for traditional frontiers (i.e., geographic logic and sustainability) or the ethnic composition of indigenous populations. The prevailing rationale behind these artificially created states was how they served the imperial and commercial needs of their colonial masters. Iraq and Jordan, for instance, were created as emirates to reward the noble Hashemite family from Saudi Arabia for its loyalty to the British against the Ottoman Turks during World War I, under the leadership of Lawrence of Arabia. Iraq was given to Faisal bin Hussein, son of the sheriff of Mecca, in 1918. The manner in which European colonial powers carved out political entities with little regard to their ethnic composition not only led to this inter-ethnic violence, but it also encouraged dictatorial rule as the only force capable of holding such entities together.

Basil Romeo,

Who cares, most of the current citizens of these Nations do not even learn their own History and only the Islamic condoned or sanctioned History.

The how many people at these Nations are still alive from those times.

What is creating, causing, continuing this mess, is simple: Fundamentalist Islam as the Majority of Islam's over 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers Worldwide.

Their Fundamentalist Islamic strict adherence to the Holy Koran (Quran) as Law, Fundamentalist Islam Shia (Sharia) Laws, Hadith (Ancient Islamic Customs) Laws; and the 109 Suras of the 114 Suras of the Holy Koran (Quran) Calls to All Islamic Believers to War Against the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers.

Fundamentalist Islam being run Worldwide by the Ayatollahs of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran.

President Obama's 2009 Iran Policies, as seen by the Ayatollahs of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran as President Obama negotiating ("empty words") from a position of Defeat (Farsi actual translation was US Defeated, not weakness). The Ayatollahs of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran increase their Overt and Covert Activities against the US and US Allies as Fully Supported by their Allies the Chinese and Russian Federation. Especially, the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran's Special Forces, Quds, training, arming, funding the Holy Warriors of Islam (Islamic Jihadists) Worldwide to Overthrow US Allies Established Governments, at Egypt (Muslim Brotherhood), Libya (Libyan Islamic Fighting Group), Somalia (Al Sheebah), Iraq (Islamic Shia Insurgency), Gaza (Army of Islam), Palestine (Worldwide Hamas Foreign Fighters), Chenhen Foreign Fighters, Hezbollah (Worldwide Foreign Fighters), Al Quada International Franchises, etc..

David, I agree, but in this part of the world we (West) must look to the antecedents in order to understand the current situation because the Muslims' espouse a medieval form of jurisprudence that the Christians and Jews have long abandoned. It is also important for the more temperate and educated Muslims to know this history so that they may educate all those poor, parochial, and disenfranchised Muslims who have fallen prey to the hateful Mullahs and Ayatollahs. Knowledged of history in this region is, indeed very important, but mostly so to the current and future generations of Muslims who will know nothing other than strapping homicide belts to their waists.

Wow and more wow -- sending help with what $$$$???? We are BROKE, doesn't this admin get it??? Where's the story on Joe/James Biden?? Oh the "fair and balanced" MSNBC crowd wouldn't want their drone's heads to explode because there is NO WAY to defend this:

How was it that HillStone, a newcomer in the business of home building, landed a massive and potentially lucrative contract to build 100,000 homes in war-torn Iraq?

Richter didn’t mince words. It really helps, he said, to have “the brother of the vice president as a partner,” according to a person who was present.

The “brother” Richter was referring to during the meeting is James Biden, the younger brother of Vice President Joe Biden.

More taxpayer $$$ going to line this admins corrupt pockets. As if some of this money isn't going to magically land on Joe's doorstep. hahahahahahaha corruption exposed -- AGAIN!

Basil Romeo,

Like I stated before, at these Nations it does NOT matter.

You can keep doing the "Western" Academic Idealism, and the Colonial Guilt (also long before any current "Westerners" were even born, failed attempt to make later generations feel guilty for what their long deceased ancient ancestors did). Still has NO Effect on the Current Situations.

Who cares why the Islamic Nation of Iraq was actually three separate distinct people; the failure was that the US and US Allies did not recognize this, NOT the failure to understand the Why (Ancient History).

You try to teach actual History at an Islamic Nation, that is like attempting to tell people at the US that their US Politicians lied about recent History (Current Events), especially the Demoncraps that will defend President Obama Wrong or Right to their Deaths. You can see that here on Newsvine, the Demoncraps name calling instead of posting their Facts to dispute the posts.

example: We (US Military) did not just leave Iraq in accordance with the previous President Bush Iraq Withdrawal Time Table; the US got KICKED OUT OF IRAQ, as after the President Obama Iran Policies, the Ayatollahs of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran pressured the Islamic Shia Government of Iraq, no more negotiations with SOS Clinton nor President Obama for the US to remain at the Islamic Shia Nation of Iraq. By doing this the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran got the Iraqis Oil for their Allies the Chinese and Russian Federation, also protected the Fundamentalist Islamic Automonous Kurdistanis Region that the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran's Special Forces, Quds, is training hundreds of thousands of Holy Warriors of Isalm (Islamic Jihadists) at, as funded by Trillions USDs per year from the Mandatory Islamic Tithes, to Overthrow the US Allies Established Governments.

example: The Demoncrap and President Obama Lie, Iraq as an Illegal Unfunded War started by President Bush (43). Illegal as not supported by a US Law or in violation of a US Law, Unfunded as no US Congressional Appropriations (US Congress responsible for finding money for the US Laws they create, NOT the President's Responsibility); WRONG, President Clinton's US Law, H.R. 4655, "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" with US Congressional Appropriations, and US Senate US Law, 2002 Iraqi War Resolution with US Congressional Appropriations. Demoncraps saying we went to War at Iraq based on a Lie, without realizing that "Lie" was from Demoncrap President Clinton's US Law, H.R.4655 Section 2 Weapons of Mass Destruction.

So you really believe that you can teach Real History at an Islamic Nation (with Laws against doing that) while you can see here on Newsvine, just how much opposition to the Real History there is.

okay, David, so what do you propose we do instead?

In response to Basil; Lebanon might as well have Israel conduct the probe if the US is conducting it, since they are one and the same entity. Everyone in the world outside of the United States and Israel knows that the US is not partisan and that can be easily seen by how Israel has taken the West Bank while the US does not mutter a word, how Netanyahoo is getting all this coverage to influence elections in the US, how the US vetoes EVERY single UN resolution against Israel.

Please don't act like the US is going to conduct "a fair and balanced" investigation. It would be as close to fair and balanced as Fox News would be to independent news coverage. It seems every time something happens in Lebanon, the US is itching to aid in the investigation to act like they are doing due diligence when everyone in the world (again outside of the US and Israel) knows who they will find guilty.

It's a good thing Dubai had surveillance cameras to find out it was the Israeli Mossad who killed the Hamas chief (and not suprisingly, everyone involved in the plot, despite being on the Interpol list has not been caught), or else we might believe today that it was a Hamas rival that went to Dubai to carry out the act. I bet had it been successful, the US would have come to the rescue to conduct the investigation yet again.

The best thing for the US to do with regards to this investigation, would be to stay out, but of course they won't because we all know the hand that controls the US Government. We all know who they will find guilty.

Wesley Clark, 7 Countries, in 5 years.

You claim I expose myself for who I really am. Yeah, I am somebody who reads history, about 2500 pages in the last year and see what is shaping up. I will not be intimidated like most other liberals just because I don't take on the Zionist world view like yourself.

I knew the war in Syria would happen and I knew it would spread to Lebanon before either happened. The only way the United States of Israel is attacking Iran is when the sanctions weaken Iran and Israel has Hezbollah cut off (which requires the downfall of the Assad regime and civil strife in Lebanon). Maybe you should tell your Zionist buddies to stop drinking the End of Days Kool-Aid just because you have the 4th largest nuclear arsenal in the world Basil.

Sandman: It's now clear to me that you conducted a selective reading of 2500 pages of history. There are milions of pages of history, depends where you get your information from. Don't bother listing your sources because you know nothing about me and very little about the history of Zionism, or with respect to the latter if you do know something you are selectively culling information to satisfy your biggoted outlook. Certainly the Mossad has carried out operations in the Middle East as have nuemrous other intelligence agencies but you are taking those incidents and generalizing them to anything and everything that happens there, consistent with your blind hatred of the Jews and Israel. History has taught us not to trust those who threaten to annihilate us. The Jews and Israel have survived because we didn't put our faith in people such as yourself.

The desire of the Muslims to commit Jewish genocide has
existed since the days of Allah and did not start with the onset of the
Arab-Israeli conflict. With regards to imposing Sharia law, they make no distinction between lands originally Muslim and lands that they conquered by force. They are also not in favor of “peaceful solutions,” and prefer to kill or be killed. They believe that the Jews
started the French Revolution and the first and second world wars and their
views on Jews and financial institutions are comparable to the Nazis. They
claim freedom of all religions under Islam though go on to say that “Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people” and that “Peace and quiet would not be possible
except under the wing of Islam.”

The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement

18 August 1988

Article Six:

The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement,
whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to
raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of
Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their
lives, possessions and rights are concerned. In the absence of Islam, strife
will be rife, oppression spreads, evil prevails and schisms and wars will break
out.

The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant
him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems
fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and
trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew
behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind
of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."
(related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

Article Eleven:

The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an
Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It,
or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not
be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any
king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization
nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that.
Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until
Judgement Day. This being so, who could claim to have the right to represent
Moslem generations till Judgement Day?

This is the law governing the land of
Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the
Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic)
conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the
Day of Judgement.

Article Thirteen:

Initiatives, and so-called peaceful
solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles
of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse
directed against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance
Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the
sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight. "Allah
will be prominent, but most people do not know."

Article Fifteen:

"I swear by the holder of
Mohammed's soul that I would like to invade and be killed for the sake of
Allah, then invade and be killed, and then invade again and be killed."
(As related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

Article Twenty-Two:

For a long time, the enemies have been planning, skillfully and with
precision, for the achievement of what they have attained. They took into
consideration the causes affecting the current of events. They strived to amass
great and substantive material wealth which they devoted to the realisation of
their dream. With their money, they took control of the world media, news
agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With
their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the
purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as
Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world
for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With
their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate
them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their
resources and spread corruption there.

You may speak as much as you want
about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were
able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling
resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations
through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through
which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way
for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the
replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security
Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on
anywhere, without having their finger in it.

Article Twenty-Eight:

Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people. "May
the cowards never sleep."

Article Thirty-One:

The Islamic Resistance Movement is a
humanistic movement. It takes care of human rights and is guided by Islamic
tolerance when dealing with the followers of other religions. It does not
antagonize anyone of them except if it is antagonized by it or stands in its
way to hamper its moves and waste its efforts. Under the wing of Islam, it is possible
for the followers of the three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - to
coexist in peace and quiet with each other. Peace and quiet would not be
possible except under the wing of Islam. Past and present history are the best
witness to that.”

Look up: “Avalon Project: Hamas
Covenant 1988,” Yale University School of Law for more information.

So excuse me Sandman if we don't just sit in our easy chairs and wait for the "end of days." This time we are fighting. Unfortunately for you, there will be no repeat of the Holocaust.

Allow me to give you a bit of background information about myself. I am 52 years old and have dual
Israeli-American citizenship (born in US, immigrated to Israel at age 8). It was during my service in the IDF that I became friendly with two Arabs – one a Druze who lives in a town near Haifa and the other who lives in a village near Jerusalem. We remain good friends to this day. We know each other's families well and visit each other whenever I'm in Israel (I currently live in US). Obviously we have ideological differences but agree more than disagree. They are against violence as a means of furthering the Palestinian agenda and I am against building settlements on Arab land. I also believe that the extreme religious right in Israel is a threat to democracy and should be divorced from the political system. I do, however, consider myself a Zionist in that I believe that there should be two distinct states – one Israel where the majority remains Jewish and the other Palestinian where the majority remains Muslim. This should not pose a problem for the Arabs considering the mass of
land in all Arab countries combined relative to the size of Israel. But this is not a land-for-peace issue – it's a cultural and religious war and always has been. Being a Zionist does not suggest that I am against a two-state solution or believe that we cannot live at peace with each other. One major difference between the Arabs and Jews is that the former espouse a covenant of genocide
against the Jews and will not permit Jews to live and flourish in a newly established Palestinian state whereas Arabs who are inherently non-violent do very well economically and also politically in Israel today (e.g., they are represented in the Knesset). Both my Arab friends do very well – one owns a
restaurant and the other an auto repair shop. The difference between you and I is that I have condemned the actions of individual Israelis (e.g., when the Arab youth was assaulted by a group of Israelis a number of months ago) and some of the policies of the Israeli government whereas your posts are consistently one-sided, biased against the Jews. You claim to be anti-Zionist but not
anti-Jewish but in actuality if you are anti-Zionist you are also anti-Jewish because Zionism advocated, "From inception, tangible as well as spiritual aims. Jews of all persuasions - left and right, religious and secular - joined to form the Zionist movement and worked together toward these goals. Disagreements led to rifts, but ultimately, the common goal of a Jewish state in its ancient
homeland was attained." You have never attempted to provide a balanced view of the situation there. Have you ever been to Israel? Have you ever met people from both sides of the conflict and attempted to develop a more balance, moral, and truthful account of the conflict?

David

Not all Democrats are voting for Obama. I am registered Democrat but I am voting for Romney. Obama has such a bad track record on National Security he should not even be able to run for dog catcher. If you take a look at opsecteam.org they explain all about Obama and his leaks on the Osama raid. I think Romney will be a better President because he is culturally American. Obama may have been born in America but his upbringing is more overseas so Obama THINKS like a person from Kenya or some other third world country over there. Purchase the DVD 2016, Obama's America. That explains how Obama really sees us. As long as Obama is in the White House than ALL our troops should come home right away Regardless of what Obama says or thinks. I have been saying that our troops should go home no matter what ever since Obama kicked out McChrystal. Obama is purposely destroying our military so the Joint Chiefs should ignore him and prioritize getting the home safely. Tactical retreat is the best course as long as the biggest traitor is in the White House.

David, please take a look at that old Benghazi thread that you posted about McChrystal because I posted something after which is very important. It is concerning the CIA. I also think you cool for your thing about McChrystal.

Back in response to Basel:

The first post was what I expected. The justification for your views, claiming that I'm a selective reader (although your is pretty selective), saying unfortunately the Holocaust is not going to happen again for me; I've seen all these things before and none of it is surprising, to draw a loony caricature of your opponent for everyone else reading.

Hamas released their charter in 1988. Let's not forget that Israel aided Hamas to fight Fatah under Arafat, and then aided Fatah when Hamas won their elections. So I have a question, based on the charter posted, why did Israel help Hamas grow to fight Fatah? Question 2, is why couldn't Israel get an agreement with the peaceful Mahmoud Abbas, who himself even gave up on trying to find a solution? We must address something first that is the cause of parties like Hamas and Fatah coming into existence (I believe in cause and effect).

Long before 1988 though, one of the founders of Israel, David Ben Gurion, who has major streets in major cities in the United States named after him said:

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."

"We must expel the Arabs and take their places."

"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"

Based on that account, I have a hard time believing Israel will end its expansionist policy with the defeat of the Palestinians, and I expect them to expand into Lebanon (like they have attempted to before) and into the Golan Heights. With a growing population, more natural resources are needed. Does that sound like a policy devised for peaceful purposes?

Onto your second post:

Not all Jews are Zionist; see Norman Finkelstein. I do have Jewish friends who would side with me on the issue, but from the Zionist world view, they are not real "Jews" or are described as "Self-Hating Jews", like Finkelstein. You say it was a cultural and religious war, but where was that war before Zionism set out to establish a homeland in Palestine (your doctrine even calls it Palestine).

I am glad you are against the building of settlements and your friend against violence. Guess what though? More settlements are being built by the day and the West Bank is about gone, so it is hard to see a 2-state solution now that that has taken place.

Now onto sources and books, I would recommend the Great War for Civilization by Robert Fisk (2006) for everyone on this board if you want to see what is shaping up for the war on Iran.

I want to add I am not even sure how this topic got to be about Israel/Palestine conflict. The original posting I made was saying that it is a joke that the US is trying to come in as a fair and balanced investigator when they are clearly not and are coming in with an agenda. If it was a country like say, Brazil that was performing the investigation, then I wouldn't be so suspicious.

Basil let me tell you about myself. I am a Jew who belongs to Jews against Zionism with Leading Rabbi's in this organization. Don't you dare call them self hating Jews. I am also a Jew who has a Palestinian son-in-law. I have been spit on by an 85 year old Jewish women for this. I've had IDF soldiers tell me the only good Palestinian is a dead one. My son-in law worships the ground my daughter walks on. His parents were forced out of the hotel they owned in Jerusalem at gunpoint. They were never compensated for this property and Jews own it today. And you ask why they hate Jews? They don't hate the Jews to this very day. They hate the eastern European zionist who started all this in 1967.

ANOTHER issue to add to Mrs. Clinton's resume when she ATTEMPTS to run in 2016.

This administration has now thrown America under the bus.

Parker and Sandman: Parker, I don't know where you got the term "self-hating Jew" from other than referenced by Sandman as it applied to his perception of Zionists views of other Jews. I did not post it here. I used that term re: Noam Chomsky a few months ago but generally do not espouse that view. As to your comment, "I've had IDF soldiers tell me the only good Palestinian is a dead one." Not a particularly pleasant thing to hear and I'm sorry you were exposed to that but it's better than being killed by a Plaestinian homicide bomber while you're dancing in a night club or eating pizza in a restaurant. Perhaps that soldier had a relative (wife, child) killed in that nightclub or restaurant. Once you and Sandman and others like you are also able to condemn the killing of innocent Israeli women abnd children, then there will be peace. As I have intimated, both sides need to address acts of violence but you and Sandman once again are unable to present a balanced view. I believe that some history is called for here because you both seem to think that it all started in 1948 and that the Jews (or Zionists) were solely responsible for it. The following is is from Wikipedia and you can go there and view the list of references if you like.

The 1920 Nabi Musa riots or 1920 Jerusalem riots took place in
British Mandate of Palestine
on April 4–7, 1920 in and around the Old City of Jerusalem.

The events coincided with and are named after the Muslim Nabi
Musa festival and followed rising tensions in Arab-Jewish relations.
The events came shortly after the Battle
of Tel Hai and the increasing pressure on Arab nationalists in Syria
on the course of the Franco-Syrian War. Among the
slogans used to incite the riots were the implications of Zionist
immigration and the previous tensions which coincided with attacks on outlying
Jewish settlements in the Galilee. Speeches by Arab religious leaders during
the festival, in which traditionally large numbers of Muslims gathered for a
religious procession, led to a serious outbreak of violent assaults on the
city's Jews. Five Jews and four Arabs were killed and several hundreds were
wounded.^[1]
In its wake, sheikhs of 82 villages round the city and Jaffa, claiming to
represent 70% of the population, issued a document protesting the violence
against the Jews.^[2]

The British military administration's erratic response failed to contain the
rioting, which continued for four days. As a result of the events, trust
between the British, Jews, and Arabs eroded. One consequence was that the Jewish community
increased moves towards an autonomous infrastructure and security apparatus
parallel to that of the British administration.

The Battle of Tel Hai was an incident during the Franco-Syrian War,
often considered to be the first armed engagement of the Arab–Israeli conflict. The incident took place, when Shiite Arab militia, escorted by Bedouin tribesmen from a nearby village, attempted to ? on the
Jewish agricultural settlement of Tel Hai in March 1920In the firefight eight
Jews and five Arabs were killed. Joseph Trumpeldor,
the commander of Jewish defenders of Tel Hai, was shot in the hand and stomach,
and died while being evacuated to Kfar Giladi that evening. The village was
eventually abandoned by the Jews and burned by the Arab militia.

Events

Early tensions

At the beginning of the Franco-Syrian War, the area of Upper Galilee was
populated by several semi-nomadic Bedouin Arab tribes, the largest residing in
Halasa, and four tiny Jewish settlements, including Metula, Kfar Giladi, Tel
Hai and Hamra. While the Arab villages and tribesmen allied with the Arab
Kingdom of Syria, the Jewish residents decided to remain neutral during the
conflict of the Arabs with the French.

Early on the course of the war, one of Kfar Giladi residents was killed by
an accidental shot from a Bedouin armed party, coming back from a feast at a
Christian village. The incident greatly increased the tensions between Jews and
Arabs and led to regular pillaging of Jewish villages by the pro-Syrian Bedouin
tribesmen, officially in order to "search for French spies and
soldiers". In one of the incidents Trumpeldor and several other Jewish
militiamen were stripped off their clothes as a public insult by an Arab Bedouin
militia.

Battle

On March 1, 1920, several hundred Shiite Arabs from the village of Jabal
Amil in southern Lebanon arrived to the gates of Tel Hai, escorted by Arab
Bedouin tribesmen of the nearby Halasa and their Mukhtar - an 18 year old Kamal
Affendi. They first demanded to search Tel Hai, while the Jews asked for
reinforcements from the kibbutz Kfar Giladi. One of the farmers fired a shot
into the air, a signal for reinforcements from nearby Kfar
Giladi, which brought ten men led by Trumpeldor, who had been posted
by Hashomer
to organize defense.^[2]
Joseph Trumpeldor and his ten men attempted to drive the Shiites and roving
village militias away in negotiations.

In mainstream Zionist historiography, the Arabs' demand to search Tel Hai on
suspicion that there were French soldiers inside was generally regarded as a
cynical ruse, with the prior intention of gaining possession and killing the
Jewish farmers or driving them away from the area. The direct incident which
started the confrontation is commonly mentioned as the Arabs grabbing a gun out
of the hands of a woman member of the Tel-Hai community.^{[citation needed]}
It is unclear exactly what happened once Trumpeldor assumed command, but an
early report speaks of 'misunderstanding on both sides'.

Kamal Affendi was then allowed to enter the village under an official demand
to search for "French soldiers". He encountered face to face with one
of the female Jewish residents named Deborah within one of the houses of Tel
Hai. The woman, armed with a pistol pointed it at Kamal, apparently surprised
at the view of an armed Bedouin within the village, and as a result a struggle
on her pistol took place. A shot was accidentally made during the struggle
(unclear whether from the pistol itself or by another weapon) and a major
firefight erupted. Trumpeldor was immediately shot and seriously wounded, while
the sides barrickaded themselves within the village. Shortly, Kamal Affendi
asked to leave, saying it was all a misunderstanding, and the Jewish force
approved the cease-fire. During the Arab retreat, one of the Jewish defenders,
unaware of the agreements by his comrades and hearing-impared by the previous
firefight, shot at the Arab party, and the renewed fighting had raged until
afternoon.

Ultimately, during the day seven Jews and five Arabs were killed outright;
Trumpeldor was shot in the hand and stomach, and died while being evacuated to
Kfar Giladi that evening. The survivors of Tel Hai found their position
intenable and had no choice but to withdraw - whereupon the place was burned.

Aftermath

The eight Jews, killed at Tel Hai, were buried in two common graves in Kfar
Giladi, and both locations were abandoned for a time.^[2]

The Franco-Syrian War entered its last stages in July 1920, with the defeat
of Hashemites in the Battle of Maysalun. The border
in the area of Upper Galilee was finally agreed between the British and the
French, and this area was to be included in Mandatory Palestine. It was
thus possible for Tel Hai to be resettled in 1921, though it did not become a
viable independent community and in 1926 it was absorbed into the kibbutz
of Kfar
Giladi.

A national monument in Upper
Galilee, Israel
commemorates the deaths of eight Jews, six men and two women, among Joseph
Trumpeldor. The memorial is best known for an emblematic statue of a
defiant lion representing Trumpeldor and his comrades. The city of Kiryat
Shemona, literally Town of the Eight was named after them.

Importance

Arab–Israeli conflict

The incident is often considered the first violent incident of the
Arab–Israeli conflict.Idith Zertal has written that it marked 'the dramatic
initiation of the violent conflict over Palestine.'^[3]

On one hand, the incident was a typical brutal and violent attack by rebel
Arab militias, which also occurred in many locations across the Middle East
during the Ottoman and post-Ottoman times (Ikhwan raids on Transjordan two
years later claimed greatly more lives).^{[citation needed]}
Numerous attacks on Jews in the region preceded the event,^{[citation needed]}
and in many cases those were acts of robbery and violence against a weaker
minority, not necessarily the Jews.

History

The contents and proposals of both the Balfour Declaration of 1917
and Paris Peace Conference, 1919,
which later concluded with the signing of the Treaty of Versailles, were the
subject of intensive discussion by both Zionist and Arab delegations, and the
process of the negotiations were widely reported in both communities. In
particular, the collapse of the Ottoman
Empire, led to an undertaking by the victorious powers,
predominantly Great Britain and France, to assume a 'holy mission of
civilization' in the power vacuum of the Middle East. Under the Balfour
Declaration, a homeland for the Jewish people was to be created in Palestine.
The principle of self-determination affirmed by
the League of Nations was not to
be applied to Palestine, given the foreseeable rejection by the people of
Zionism, which the British sponsored. These post-WW1 arrangements both for
Palestine and other Arab societies led to a 'radicalization' of the Arab world.^[3]

On March 1, the death at Tel Hai of Joseph
Trumpeldor at the hands of a Shiite group from
Southern Lebanon, caused deep concerns among Zionist
leaders, who made numerous requests to the Mandate administration to
address the Yishuv's
security and forbid a pro-Syrian public rally. Their fears were largely
discounted, however, by the Chief Administrative Officer General Louis
Bols, Governor Sir
Ronald Storrs and General Edmund
Allenby, despite a warning from the President of the World Zionist Organization Dr.
Chaim
Weizmann that "pogrom is in the air", supported by assessments
available to Storrs.^[1]

Communiqués had been issued about foreseeable troubles between Arabs, Arabs
and Jews. To Weizmann these were reminiscent of instructions that Russian generals
had issued on the eve of pogroms.^[4]
In the meantime, local expectations had been raised to a pitch by the
declaration of the Syrian Congress on March 7 of the independence of Syria and
Palestine, with Faisal as its king.^[5]

Storrs issued a warning to Arab leaders, but his forces included only 188
policemen. The Ottoman Turks usually deployed
thousands of soldiers and even artillery to keep order in the narrow streets of
Jerusalem during the Nabi Musa procession. Zionist leaders request that the
British authorities allow arming of the Jewish defenders to make up for the
lack of adequate troops. Although this request was declined, Ze'ev
Jabotinsky, together with Pinhas
Rutenberg, led an effort to openly train Jewish volunteers in
self-defense, an effort which the Zionist Commission kept the
British informed of. Many of them members of the Maccabi sports club and some
of them veterans of the Jewish Legion, their month of
training largely consisted of calisthenics
and hand to hand combat with
sticks.^[1]
By the end of March, about 600 were said to be performing military drill daily
in Jerusalem.^[6]
Jabotinsky and Rutenberg also began organizing the collection of arms.^[6]

April 4–7, 1920 in the Old City

The annual Nebi
Musa spring festival was a Muslim festival that began on the Friday
before Good
Friday and involved a procession to the Nebi Musa shrine (tomb of
Moses) near Jericho.^[7]
It had apparently existed since the time of Saladin.^[8]
Arab educator and essayist Khalil al-Sakakini described
how tribes and caravans would come with banners and weapons.^[1]

By 10:30 a.m. on April 4, 1920, 60,000–70,000 Arabs had already congregated
in the city square, and groups of them had already been attacking Jews in the
Old City's alleys for over an hour; the Jews hid. Inflammatory anti-Zionist
rhetoric was being delivered from the balcony of the Arab Club. One inciter was
Hajj Amin al-Husayni; his uncle,
the mayor, spoke from the municipal building's balcony.

The editor of the newspaper Suriya al-Janubia
(Southern Syria), Aref al-Aref, delivered his
speech on horseback. The crowd shouted "Independence! Independence!"
and "Palestine is our land, the Jews are our dogs!"^[1]
Arab police joined in applause, and violence started.^[9]
The Arab local population ransacked the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem.
The Torath Chaim Yeshiva was
raided, and Torah scrolls were torn and
thrown on the floor, and the building then set alight.^[1]
During the next three hours, 160 Jews were wounded.^[9]

Khalil al-Sakakini witnessed the eruption of violence in the Old City:

"[A] riot broke out, the people began to run about and stones were thrown at the Jews. The
shops were closed and there were screams... I saw a Zionist soldier covered in
dust and blood... Afterwards, I saw one Hebronite approach a Jewish shoeshine
boy, who hid behind a sack in one of the wall's comers next to Jaffa Gate, and
take his box and beat him over the head. He screamed and began to run, his head
bleeding and the Hebronite left him and returned to the procession... The riot
reached its zenith. All shouted, "Muhammad's
religion was born with the sword"... I immediately walked to the municipal
garden... my soul is nauseated and depressed by the madness of humankind."^[10]

After the violence broke out, Ze'ev
Jabotinsky met Governor Storrs and suggested deployment of his
volunteers, but his request was rejected. Storrs confiscated his pistol and
demanded to know the location of his other weapons, threatening to arrest him
for possessing a firearm. Later, Storrs changed his mind and asked for 200
volunteers to report to the police headquarters to be sworn in as deputies.
After they arrived and the administering of the oath had begun, orders came to
cease and he sent them away. Arab volunteers had also been invited, and were
likewise sent away. The army imposed night curfew on Sunday
night and arrested several dozen rioters, but on Monday morning they were
allowed to attend morning prayers and were then released. Arabs continued to
attack Jews and break into their homes, especially in Arab-majority mixed
buildings.^[1]

On Monday, as disturbances grew worse, the Old City was sealed off by the
army and no one was allowed to exit the area. Martial
law was declared, but looting, burglary,
rape, and murder continued.
Several homes were set on fire, and tombstones were shattered. British soldiers
found that the majority of illicit weapons were concealed on the bodies of Arab
women.^[1]
On Monday evening, the soldiers were evacuated from the Old City, a step that
was later declared "an error of judgment" by a court inquiry. The Old
City's Jews had no training or weapons, and Jabotinsky's men had been
concentrated outside the walled-city.^[1]
Two volunteers entered the Jewish Quarter disguised as medical personnel to
organize self-defense; they prepared rocks and boiling water. One of the volunteers
was Nehemia Rabin (Rubitzov), father of Yitzhak
Rabin.^[1]

Several British soldiers were sent to search Jews for arms at the demand of
the Palestinian Arab leadership; the British searched the offices and
apartments of Weizmann and Jabotinsky. At Jabotinsky's house, they found three rifles, two
pistols, and 250 rounds of ammunition. Nineteen men were arrested, but not
Jabotinsky, who went to the jail of his own volition to insist on his arrest. A
military judge released him because he had not been home when the guns were discovered,
but he was again arrested a few hours later. Storrs personally ensured that
Jabotinsky received clothing from home, a mattress, and food from an adjacent
hotel. It took the British authorities four days to put down the riots.^[1]

As the riots began, Jewish immigration to Palestine was temporarily halted by the British. Also,
feeling that the British were unwilling to defend them from continuous Arab
violence, Palestinian Jews decided to set up an underground self-defense
militia, the Haganah ("defense"). Furthermore, the riots prompted the
Arab leadership in Palestine to view themselves less as southern Syrian Arabs
and more as a unique Palestinian Arab community.^[1]

BTW Sandman: Gotta love the way you just skirted the genocidal Muslim covenant by merely stating that it was published in 1988 and immediately segueing into a comment that Ben-Gurion allegedly made. Even if he did say this, a policy of expansionism is certainly not Israel's desire today nor is it in her best interest and most Israeli's would not agree to it. It will never happen. Though interesting Sandman, that much of your argument is based on your beliefs regarding hypothetical future occurrences. After all, we did return the Sinai and Gaza and look where it got us. Most illegal outposts will eventually be dismantled when a new government is elected but a few settlements will be kept as part of a buffer zone. We are certainly not suicidal - consider the width of Israel at its midsection acroos from the West Bank and you'll understand that it would be impossible to adequately defend. The Arabs must first prove that they can live peacefully and responsibly in their own state.

Parker and Sandman: this will be my last post here. You can have the last word if you wish. History and rational and moral individuals will one day judge the merits of our positions.

Resolution 194, adopted by the UN General Assembly on December 11,
1948, addressed a host of issues, but only one paragraph out of 15 dealt with
refugees created by the conflict. Resolution 194 attempted to create the tools
required to reach a truce in the region. It established a conciliation
commission with representatives from the United States, France and Turkey to
replace the UN mediator. The commission was charged with achieving "a
final settlement of all questions between ∑ governments and authorities
concerned." The Resolution‚s "refugee clause" is not a standalone
item, as the Arabs would have us think, nor does it pertain specifically to
Palestinian Arab refugees.

Of the 15 paragraphs, the first six sections addressed ways to achieve
a truce; the next four paragraphs addressed the ways that Jerusalem and surrounding
villages and towns should be demilitarized, and how an international zone or
jurisdiction would be created in and around Jerusalem. The resolution also
called on all parties to protect and allow free access to holy places,
including religious buildings.

One paragraph has drawn the most attention: Paragraph 11, which alone
addressed the issue of refugees and compensation for those whose property was
lost or damaged. Contrary to Arab claims, it did not guarantee a Right of
Return and certainly did not guarantee an unconditional Right of Return
ˆ that is the right of Palestinian Arab refugees to return to Israel. Nor did
it specifically mention Arab refugees, thereby indicating that the
resolution was aimed at all refugees, both Jewish and Arab. Instead, Resolution
194 recommended that refugees be allowed to return to their homeland if they
met two important conditions:

1. That they be willing to live in peace with
their neighbors.

2. That the return takes place "at the
earliest practicable date."

The resolution also recommended that for those who did not wish to
return, "Compensation should be paid for the property ∑ and for loss of or
damage to property" by the "governments or authorities
responsible."

Although Arab leaders point to Resolution 194 as proof that Arab
refugees have a right of return or be compensated, it is important to note that
the Arab States: Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Yemen voted
against Resolution 194. Israel is not even mentioned in the resolution. The
fact that plural wording also is used ˆ "governments or
authorities" ˆ suggests that, contrary to Arab claims, the burden of
compensation does not fall solely upon one side of the conflict. Because seven
Arab armies invaded Israel, Israel was not responsible for creating the refugee
problem. When hundreds of thousands of Arab Jews, under threat of death, attack
and other forms of persecution, were forced to flee Arab communities, the State
of Israel absorbed the overwhelming majority of them into the then-fledgling
nation.

The Forgotten Jewish Refugees

For a host of reasons ˆ practical to parochial ˆ Israel has failed to
raise the issue of the mammoth injustice done to almost a million Jews from
Arab countries. The scale and premeditated state-sponsored nature of persecution
that prompted the 1948 flight of close to 900,000 Jews from their homes has
only recently begun to emerge. Arab publicists have sought to detach entirely
the flight of Jews from Arab lands from the Arab-Israeli conflict, claiming
they are two separate phenomena, and that Israelis should take up the issue
with each respective Arab state that was involved, not with the Palestinian
Arabs.

Clearly this is an attempt to rewrite history.
One only needs to reexamine the almost prophetic article in The New
York Times two days after Israel declared independence ("Jews in Grave
Danger in all Moslem Lands") to confirm the tie. The New York
Times reported on May 16, 1948:

"For nearly four months, the United Nations has had before it, an
appeal for Œimmediate and urgent‚ consideration of the case of the Jewish
populations in Arab and Moslem countries stretching from Morocco to
India."

The New York Times country-by-country table
estimated the Jewish population-at-risk as 899,000 people. The article cited
the dismissal of Jews in the civil service in Syria, per capita ransom payment
of $20,000 by Iraqi Jews seeking to leave Iraq, a forced levy on the Lebanese
Jewish community to support the Arab war effort parallel to incitement and
physical attacks on Jews, and Jews fleeing to India from Afghanistan. It quoted
the UN Economic and Social Council report as saying:

"The very survival of the Jewish communities
in certain Arab and Moslem countries is in serious danger, unless preventive
action is taken without delay."

Hostility and oppression only grew, ultimately leading to the exodus
of almost all Jews from all Arab and Moslem countries from Casablanca to
Karachi.

How and Why Did Palestinian Arabs Leave, and Who
Was Responsible?

It is important to set the historical record straight: The
overwhelming majority of Palestinian Arab refugees left what was then the
newly-established State of Israel on their own accord due to structural
weaknesses within Palestinian Arab society and their leadership.

The pressure of wartime conditions triggered the collapse of what was
already a fragile Palestinian Arab society, particularly when Palestinian Arab
leaders chose to oppose the Jewish state by a show of arms rather than by
accepting a UN plan for their own state. Those events set the stage for the
forceful expulsion of countless other Palestinian Arabs from Jewish-held areas.
That military necessity resulted after seven Arab armies invaded western
Palestine with the goal of exterminating the newly born State of Israel.

On their own accord, an estimated 600,000 Palestinian Arabs fled a war
zone, which their leaders had created. An estimated 250,000 to 300,000 of those
refugees in 1948 left even before their homes became part of a war zone.

The human tragedy of being uprooted notwithstanding, Arab refugees
were neither hapless targets nor innocent bystanders. The first stage of the
1948 war was a fierce interethnic or anti-Zionist civil war in which
Palestinian Arabs were the aggressors and the initiators; the second half was
an all-out war involving regular Arab armies, whose participation the
Palestinian Arabs engineered.

The violent path that Palestinian Arabs chose ˆ and the ensuing fear,
disorientation, and economic deprivation of war ˆ led to their own collective
undoing.

The Collapse of Palestinian Society and Mass
Flight

What caused the collapse of Palestinian Arab society? In part, it was
the absence of an alternative Arab infrastructure after the British pulled out
from Palestine. In addition, serious cleavages dating to Ottoman times existed
in local Arab society. Because Palestinian Arab society had been so dependent
on British civil administration and social services, Britain‚s departure left
Arab civil servants jobless. As a result, most social services and civil
administration ceased to function in the Arab sector, disrupting the flow of
essential commodities such as food and fuel, which added to the hardships, the
uncertainty, and the dangers.

In contrast, Jewish society in Palestine, or the Yishuv as it
was called in Hebrew, had established its own civil society over the span of
three decades under the Mandate. The Yishuv created its own
representative political bodies and social and economic institutions, including
health and welfare services, a public transport network, and a thriving
sophisticated marketing system for manufactured goods and food ˆ in short, a
state-in-the-making. It was best described by the 1934 British report to the
League of Nations:

"During the last two or three generations the Jews have recreated
in Palestine a community, now numbering 80,000, of whom about one-fourth are
farmers or workers upon the land. This community has its own political organs,
an elected assembly for the direction of its domestic concerns, elected
councils in the towns, and an organisation for the control of its schools. It
has its elected Chief Rabbinate and Rabbinical Council for the direction of its
religious affairs. Its business is conducted in Hebrew as a vernacular
language, and a Hebrew press serves its needs. It has its distinctive
intellectual life and displays considerable economic activity. This community,
then, with its town and country population, its political, religious and social
organisations, its own language, its own customs, its own life, has in fact
Œnational‚ characteristics."

And as time passed:

"Those characteristics have been strengthened and magnified in
the course of the following twelve years. To-day there are in Palestine almost
300,000 Jews. There is a constantly flowing stream of men and money, new industries
are being established, citriculture is expanding, new settlements are springing
up, towns are being enlarged by suburb after suburb."

During that same period, the Arabs in Palestine, however, had invested
all of their energies into fighting any form of Jewish polity-in-the-making.
Although the British encouraged creation of an Arab Agency parallel to the
Jewish Agency that had orchestrated and financed development of the Jewish
sector, a similar Arab organization failed to develop.

So it was no surprise that when the British departed, the Palestinian
Arabs remained unorganized and ill-prepared not only for statehood (which they
rejected in any case), but also for sustained conflict with their Jewish
adversaries. In the end, the war caused horrific casualties for the Jews and
left thousands of Palestinian Arabs without their homes.

UN Resolution 194:

A/RES/194 (III) of 11 December 1948

"Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and
live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the
earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the
property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property
which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good
by the Governments or authorities responsible;

"Instructs the Conciliation Commission to
facilitate the repatriation, resettlement and economic and social
rehabilitation of the refugees and the payment of compensation, and to maintain
close relations with the Director of the United Nations Relief for Palestine
Refugees and, through him, with the appropriate organs and agencies of the
United Nations."

Sandman: Would you kindly send me the reference to your statement that Israel aided Hamas?

Instead, they will send the FBI, whose reason for creation was domestic intelligence and security.

gm bill

they had to go the CIA had a party to attend........ bet the hookers get paid this time..............

they thought about sending ICE as they weren't doing anything else, but then they remembered those clowns couldn't even find a bus load of known illegals with a big "no papers no fear" banner on the side that was parked right outside the DNC

gm Tramp,

They could have sent TSA, on the off chance that some of the perpetrators might be babies in strollers or great-grandmothers in diapers.

Yep. They both need to be removed.

And I suppose Obama is at fault for this attack as well?

Give it a rest...

Ray in Jax

And I suppose Obama is at fault for this attack as well?

Give it a rest...

If you don't believe Obama is responsible for the security failures in Benghazi, then you can't believe that the Pope is responsible for the actions of pedophile priests.

Everyone wants our assistance. At the same time, most Muslims hate us!

Nonsense the vast majority of Muslims in the world do not hate us thats a neocon bs quote. Most are peace loving people like most of us are. We have the same thing here with the Arian Nation KKK and other hate groups who hide behind religion to impose their warped ideas on others. All Germans and All Japanese did not hate us in the second world war either.To make a statement like the above shows little know;ledge of the real facts.

If you don't believe Obama is responsible for the security failures in Benghazi, then you can't believe that the Pope is responsible for the actions of pedophile priests.

Idiots believe that sane people do not. How is the President going to do hands on in security at a remote outpost when there are at least 300 such missions? The fact is we kicked the jihadists in the az and we are at war with them bengaxi was weak because it was in a country who cannot because of the government being overthrown not ready to act on securing the mission there. In war you win some and you lose a few but in the over all picture we are winning under Obama 10 to 1. Expecting a 100% win factor is never going to happen. No Matter how well short of sending a batallion of troops to surround the embassy, which the government over there would not have allowed, what would you have done? Reagan sat in the white house when they blew up the troops in Beirute. There was not this kind of outcry then but people opposite of you radical righties do not play that way. All you are doing in this latest witch hunt is aiding and abetting the enemy because they are dancing in the street over you actions you unamerican aholes.

How is the President going to do hands on in security at a remote outpost when there are at least 300 such missions?

perhaps by spending money on security instead of weapons to give to our enemy's?...think that might work?......

Or buying electric cars for embassies.

Giantego: You are correct: The "vast majority" of Muslims do not hate us. However, a large minority of Muslims do, and in a poulation of 1.2-2.0 billion, that's a big number. And you are also correct in stating that "all" Germans did not hate us during WWII, but a majority did and particiated in one way or another, either directly or by collusion, in genocide. Aryan nation and KKK did not by any stretch of the imagination approximate even remotely the number of Muslim murderers today. Your argument is specious.

Giantego - Nonsense the vast majority of Muslims in the world do not hate us thats a neocon bs quote

Liar Liar, Pants on Fire!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSkv_29Rncg

President Obama is not a neocon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY&feature=fvwrel

President Obama's Appeasement of Islam Policies.

The Representative to the Entire Islamic World, Fundamentalist Islamic Amin Al Husseini, signed the Forever Alliance, 1933, with Chancellor Hitler. Co founder of the Fundamentalist Islamic Arab League of Nations, charter the extermination of the Jews; demands and gets repeated attacks to exterminate the Jews (Israel), while most Islamic Nations spend their money buying USSR Weapons instead of building their own Infrastructure or improving the lives of their own people.

So you see, David, history, which you quote, is indeed important.

We need to get the Muslin out of the whitehouse.

Who would that be or are you still in to the birther thing that every sane person has dismissed. Obama is a christian.

Obama is the Manchurian candidate...

A Kenyan
lawmaker told the nation’s parliament last month that Barack Obama was born in
Africa and is therefore “not even a native American.”

MP James Orengo claims Obama was born
in Kenya

During debate over the draft of a new Kenyan constitution, James Orengo,
the country’s minister of lands and a member of parliament for the Ugenya
constituency, cited America’s election of a Kenyan-born president as an example
of what can be accomplished when diverse peoples unite:

“If America was living
in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a
multiparty state or nation,” Orengo posited, “how could a young man born here in
Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the president of
America?”

Orengo held
up the U.S. as a country no longer “living in the past,” since Americans elected
a Kenyan-born president without regard to “ethnic consideration and
objectives.”

THIS EXCHANGE SAYS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT TROUBLE AND HIS MENTALITY...
HIS REPLY IS AT THE BOTTOM:

@Trouble,

That is fine, hope you find the right graves to dance on at the National Cemetary...

But, why not just dance on all of them, there are thousands! Mostly military, some from
government service

If you don't want perverts to have your email address, why give it to Uly and
ConvenientiLies?

Sorry your golf match got rained out....

Now, one last point, and everyone can see what I am telling you...

I have offered blessings upon your brother, and like it or not on you and your grandkids...
I have offered an olive branch, you refuse to accept any of it....Your loss.

As long as you continue to call-names, (and not just to me), to bastardize names, to spin
lies, or anything of the sort, I will not stoop to the low-class level you live on, such
as #1203.5.

If you wish to discuss something, without the crap, let me know.

**************************************************

trouble46545

LMFAO

#1203.7 - Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:26 PM CDT

THIS REPLY, ABOVE, WAS IN RESPONSE TO HIS STATEMENT OF DANCING ON THE
GRAVES OF MY GRANDSONS WHO DIED IN IRAQ

@ Trouble.

Yeah, that proves it then.

Laughable.

Say What?, AKA Paul M.
Price,

Steven, (I mean Paulie). Sorry but when I think of you I
picture Steven Hawking. (Only you're not as good looking) With your chin on your
scrawney little chest and drool running down the front of your Pajamas. (But
believe me it is evident you don't have his brain).

Before I encountered
you I didn't think it was possible to hate (and pity) someone I had never met. I
don't know why you decided to lavish me with your praise and adoration. (With
your private emails), And your public display of hatred.

I think it started the
day I said that I had to have the starter rebuilt for my 52 DeSoto. You couldn't
stand someone having anything nicer than you did so you made up a story about a
'47 Ford and a Studebaker and I forget what all you said you had. All of the
classic cars you dreamed about only you said they were real. Then you made up
children which in your condition I'm sure are fictitious. Of course in your
story they also all had classic cars.

I actually believed
you at first. It was when you said something about "electile dysfunction" and I
made a joke and said "got viagra" (which you must not have anything for it to
help with because you took it personal) and said I should ask 'my wife's pimp'
for some. That was when I knew that there was something off about you.

Am I special or do you
copy everything everyone on these threads writes? I have come to realize that
you spend every waking moment on here spreading your love around
(joke).

It must be horrible
to hate as much as you do. (But you're a good teacher). I have learned from you.
I can now only assume that all Liberals are as disgusting as you are.

I have no idea why you
made up the story about being in the Navy for thirty years, but when I said my
dead brother had been in for twenty-one years you decided he was fictitious.
(maybe because you made your service up). So you made jokes about him.That was
when you made up the story about two grandsons dying in Iraq. If you had said
ONE I might have believed you but it is against regulation for two siblings to
serve together in combat. (Everyone is not stupid). (If you had actually been in
the Navy you would have known about the Sullivan brothers).

I for one am glad you
are not in this country. (Or is that made up also?)

You are a sad
disgusting little old man and I pray that you get everything in life that you
deserve. (Maybe you already have).

Here comes another misinformed nobody stating facts that do not exist. I would direct you attention to another story here today on this web site and learn why we are not backing the rebels in Syria. After you read that story go find out why the Us aided the rebels in Lybya. As it seems you are so misinformed why not in the future take some time to read up on things instead of parroting crap off of blogs which are out there to mislead for the most part!

The info I used for the most part is in this article as if you read it you would know. Prehaps I should have expanded it a bit. 1st obama UNCONSTITUTIONALY takes military action in Libya at the UN's request. 2nd we have done nothing to help stop the mass killing of innocent civilians in Syria. 3rd Makati is said to be friends with Assad. 4th the US pledges to help Makati. Now if you can't see the pattern or refuse to that is your own problem. The inept asclown obama will be handed his termination notice next month as his policies are all around failures, and those that obama supports, and that support obama is VERY QUESTIONABLE.

Giantego

That could be Obozo himself.

THIS EXCHANGE SAYS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT TROUBLE AND HIS MENTALITY...
HIS REPLY IS AT THE BOTTOM:

@Trouble,

That is fine, hope you find the right graves to dance on at the National Cemetary...

But, why not just dance on all of them, there are thousands! Mostly military, some from
government service

If you don't want perverts to have your email address, why give it to Uly and
ConvenientiLies?

Sorry your golf match got rained out....

Now, one last point, and everyone can see what I am telling you...

I have offered blessings upon your brother, and like it or not on you and your grandkids...
I have offered an olive branch, you refuse to accept any of it....Your loss.

As long as you continue to call-names, (and not just to me), to bastardize names, to spin
lies, or anything of the sort, I will not stoop to the low-class level you live on, such
as #1203.5.

If you wish to discuss something, without the crap, let me know.

**************************************************

trouble46545

LMFAO

#1203.7 - Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:26 PM CDT

THIS REPLY, ABOVE, WAS IN RESPONSE TO HIS STATEMENT OF DANCING ON THE
GRAVES OF MY GRANDSONS WHO DIED IN IRAQ

CKSM

Say What, Yea, sure. The secretary going on Sunday talk shows and saying it was due to the anti-muslim video was ALL true! Surely you are smarter than that.

You're joking right? Smarter than that?

Say What?, AKA Paul M.
Price,

Steven, (I mean Paulie). Sorry but when I think of you I
picture Steven Hawking. (Only you're not as good looking) With your chin on your
scrawney little chest and drool running down the front of your Pajamas. (But
believe me it is evident you don't have his brain).

Before I encountered
you I didn't think it was possible to hate (and pity) someone I had never met. I
don't know why you decided to lavish me with your praise and adoration. (With
your private emails), And your public display of hatred.

I think it started the
day I said that I had to have the starter rebuilt for my 52 DeSoto. You couldn't
stand someone having anything nicer than you did so you made up a story about a
'47 Ford and a Studebaker and I forget what all you said you had. All of the
classic cars you dreamed about only you said they were real. Then you made up
children which in your condition I'm sure are fictitious. Of course in your
story they also all had classic cars.

I actually believed
you at first. It was when you said something about "electile dysfunction" and I
made a joke and said "got viagra" (which you must not have anything for it to
help with because you took it personal) and said I should ask 'my wife's pimp'
for some. That was when I knew that there was something off about you.

Am I special or do you
copy everything everyone on these threads writes? I have come to realize that
you spend every waking moment on here spreading your love around
(joke).

It must be horrible
to hate as much as you do. (But you're a good teacher). I have learned from you.
I can now only assume that all Liberals are as disgusting as you are.

I have no idea why you
made up the story about being in the Navy for thirty years, but when I said my
dead brother had been in for twenty-one years you decided he was fictitious.
(maybe because you made your service up). So you made jokes about him.That was
when you made up the story about two grandsons dying in Iraq. If you had said
ONE I might have believed you but it is against regulation for two siblings to
serve together in combat. (Everyone is not stupid). (If you had actually been in
the Navy you would have known about the Sullivan brothers).

I for one am glad you
are not in this country. (Or is that made up also?)

You are a sad
disgusting little old man and I pray that you get everything in life that you
deserve. (Maybe you already have).

THIS EXCHANGE SAYS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT TROUBLE AND HIS MENTALITY...
HIS REPLY IS AT THE BOTTOM:

@Trouble,

That is fine, hope you find the right graves to dance on at the National Cemetary...

But, why not just dance on all of them, there are thousands! Mostly military, some from
government service

If you don't want perverts to have your email address, why give it to Uly and
ConvenientiLies?

Sorry your golf match got rained out....

Now, one last point, and everyone can see what I am telling you...

I have offered blessings upon your brother, and like it or not on you and your grandkids...
I have offered an olive branch, you refuse to accept any of it....Your loss.

As long as you continue to call-names, (and not just to me), to bastardize names, to spin
lies, or anything of the sort, I will not stoop to the low-class level you live on, such
as #1203.5.

If you wish to discuss something, without the crap, let me know.

**************************************************

trouble46545

LMFAO

#1203.7 - Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:26 PM CDT

THIS REPLY, ABOVE, WAS IN RESPONSE TO HIS STATEMENT OF DANCING ON THE
GRAVES OF MY GRANDSONS WHO DIED IN IRAQ.

And, to clarify his latest lie, I NEVER ONCE SAID THEY SERVED IN IRAQ AT THE SAME TIME

***************************************

@Trouble:

"pensions from the Navy. All they did was get paid to be on a cruise""'sea going bellhops"

You criticized Navy pensions....all of us here would love to hear about your military heroics...don't hold back...tell it all...all your combat and exciting battles....

Thanks for insulting hundreds of thousands of military veterans who protected your slimy ass for so many years.

Say What?, AKA Paul M.
Price,

Steven, (I mean Paulie). Sorry but when I think of you I
picture Steven Hawking. (Only you're not as good looking) With your chin on your
scrawney little chest and drool running down the front of your Pajamas. (But
believe me it is evident you don't have his brain).

Before I encountered
you I didn't think it was possible to hate (and pity) someone I had never met. I
don't know why you decided to lavish me with your praise and adoration. (With
your private emails), And your public display of hatred.

I think it started the
day I said that I had to have the starter rebuilt for my 52 DeSoto. You couldn't
stand someone having anything nicer than you did so you made up a story about a
'47 Ford and a Studebaker and I forget what all you said you had. All of the
classic cars you dreamed about only you said they were real. Then you made up
children which in your condition I'm sure are fictitious. Of course in your
story they also all had classic cars.

I actually believed
you at first. It was when you said something about "electile dysfunction" and I
made a joke and said "got viagra" (which you must not have anything for it to
help with because you took it personal) and said I should ask 'my wife's pimp'
for some. That was when I knew that there was something off about you.

Am I special or do you
copy everything everyone on these threads writes? I have come to realize that
you spend every waking moment on here spreading your love around
(joke).

It must be horrible
to hate as much as you do. (But you're a good teacher). I have learned from you.
I can now only assume that all Liberals are as disgusting as you are.

I have no idea why you
made up the story about being in the Navy for thirty years, but when I said my
dead brother had been in for twenty-one years you decided he was fictitious.
(maybe because you made your service up). So you made jokes about him.That was
when you made up the story about two grandsons dying in Iraq. If you had said
ONE I might have believed you but it is against regulation for two siblings to
serve together in combat. (Everyone is not stupid). (If you had actually been in
the Navy you would have known about the Sullivan brothers).

I for one am glad you
are not in this country. (Or is that made up also?)

You are a sad
disgusting little old man and I pray that you get everything in life that you
deserve. (Maybe you already have).

President Obama Overthrew a Former US Ally President Gaddaffi and Installed the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists of Al Quada Saudi Arabia (AQ), Al Quada Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), Al Quada Syria (AQS), Al Quada Yemen (AQY), Hezbollah, Al Quada Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), etc. renamed themselves Ansar Al Shariah, to protect and install Fundamentalist Islamic Shia (Sharia) Laws as the Rule of Law for Libya.

The Fundamentalist Islamic Libyan Islamic Fighting Group were those Islamic Jihadist Foreign Fighters killing US Military at Iraq.

The Fundamentalist Islamic Libyan Islamic Fighting Group is the current Government of Libya.

President Obama as Commander In Chief Orders the US Military to Attack Libya without informing US Congress 48 Hours before ANY US Military Activities. The ONLY ILLEGAL UNFUNDED WAR, was President Obama's Libya, in DIRECT Violation of US Law, that LIMITS and RESTRICTS the US Presidential War Powers, 1973 War Powers Resolution (Act), this is an Impeachable Offense. President Obama did NOT notify Both Houses of US Congress 48 Hours before ANY US Military Actions, because US Congress was not notified they did not have time to write a US Law (therefore ILLEGAL) with US Congressional Appropriations (therefore UNFUNDED) to cover President Obama's arse. So without US Congressional Appropriations, President Obama used not Budgeted For Discretionary Spending.

David

You are right. Obama did that Impeachable offense. But take a number because that is not the only impeachable offense that Obama has done. He leaked information leading to the death of a CIA asset who helped us Find Bin Ladden. Obama on too many occasions leaked information leading to the deaths of our CIA and other covert operatives. Obama told too many people how we do our operations which is supposed to be kept secret. And what about that killing of our Ambassador and the three other men. That was an inside job requiring counter intelligence information to be passed to the attackers. The same attackers knew where the CIA safe house was in order to attack that target as well. Someone who was privy to all this information gave it to the terrorists. All this information is supposed to be SECRET! So which of these many crimes do we impeach Obama on or should we use all of the above.

Carlito-1901240 - We help them investigate and we learn new intel about the radical muslim terrorists in the area.

Do not even marginalize the extent of the problem with "radical muslim terrorists" when you are talking about the MAJORITY of the 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers Worldwide as Fundamentalist Islamic Believers (Islamic Believers completely subjugated to Islam is the Definition to become "Muslims").

Carlito-1901240 - Not a bad deal.

Chickenhawk, it is nice to say "we" when that does not include YOU.

We cannot afford this anymore. President Obama spent $2.1 Trillion that was not previously Budgeted for, requring the Cuts to the previously Budgeted For Programs, Projects, Agencies.

ALL of you Demoncraps demanding this or not stopping YOUR insanity; at YOUR Expense Fly to Beirut AND provide YOUR own Security. If you get killed, injured, wounded, US will deny your very existance.

No matter who you determine did the bombing, everyone will be accusing YOU of taking sides and demand your execution.

Carlito-1901240 - We can also keep tabs on the radical muslim terrorist wanna be's over in Detroit. That place is a brood of vipers waiting to strike.

Let the Demoncraps kill each other off. US Labor Unions, "(President Obama) We are your Army", so ok, the US Labor Unions volunteered to the President as Commander In Chief to go into Combat to replace the US Military, US Labor Unions go do that.

spudson - Why does hilary have to pledge to investigate terrorists bombings?

Same reason why President Obama Overthrew a Former US Ally President Gaddaffi and Installed the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists of Al Quada Saudi Arabia (AQ), Al Quada Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), Al Quada Syria (AQS), Al Quada Yemen (AQY), Hezbollah, Al Quada Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), etc. renamed themselves Ansar Al Shariah, to protect and install Fundamentalist Islamic Shia (Sharia) Laws as the Rule of Law for Libya.

The Fundamentalist Islamic Libyan Islamic Fighting Group were those Islamic Jihadist Foreign Fighters killing US Military at Iraq.

The Fundamentalist Islamic Libyan Islamic Fighting Group is the current Government of Libya.

President Obama as Commander In Chief Orders the US Military to Attack Libya without informing US Congress 48 Hours before ANY US Military Activities. The ONLY ILLEGAL UNFUNDED WAR, was President Obama's Libya, in DIRECT Violation of US Law, that LIMITS and RESTRICTS the US Presidential War Powers, 1973 War Powers Resolution (Act), this is an Impeachable Offense. President Obama did NOT notify Both Houses of US Congress 48 Hours before ANY US Military Actions, because US Congress was not notified they did not have time to write a US Law (therefore ILLEGAL) with US Congressional Appropriations (therefore UNFUNDED) to cover President Obama's arse. So without US Congressional Appropriations, President Obama used not Budgeted For Discretionary Spending.

Same Reason why President Obama pledged to rebuild Libya (with US Taxpayer Money). While refusing repeated requests from US Ambassador Stevens to secure the US Consulate and addtional US Military Security.