This is bad news. A country with deep pockets is siding with the radical Radicals: Hamas. Then slapped a heap of mud on the face of the Moderate radicals.

Ixor: This is known as seventh century Sunni Saudi, Qatar, Kuwaiti, UAE and other Arab League seventh century despotic, highly corrupt and bigoted dances and dramas.

Qatar ruler is the one of the villains along with Sunni Saudi ruler to support Sunni Syrian rebels supported by Sunni Islamic killers like al Qaida, Salaffi and others against Assad.

You can't trust a single one of them. Just keep away.

Even Jews of Israel should have patience.

Let us worry about these Islamic mad people after their centuries of Shiites vs Sunni battles are over.

I am an infidel, a jihadi material. I support the other under dog infidels like Shiites, Sufis, Kurds, and others.

It's a shame the sheik's other two wives couldn't make the trip. Morning sickness possibly?

Ixor Kleb

This is bad news. A country with deep pockets is siding with the radical Radicals: Hamas.

It is a marriage of convenience. Hamas will find out, to their chagrin, that the 21st Century Caliphate won't wait long to replace local thugs with out-of-staters.

In the ever changing world of the Middle East, these guys change alliances like I change my underwear.

When Hamas was formed, the israelis supported them as a better alternative to Fatah. Obviously that has changed.

My guess is that the Emir had frequent flier points to burn and had never been to Gaza. I hear Venezuela is nice this time of year.

"The emir had "thrown peace under the bus," an Israeli spokesman said."

The first lesson Israel should learn is not to take sides in the centuries old Shiites vs Sunni battles!

Jewish lobby started their dances along with Sunni Saudis and other despotic, autocratic seventh century bigoted Sunni ME tin-pot rulers/dictators before Iraqi wars. Then they vanished from the scene.

If Saddam was there, all these bigoted Sunni rulers would not have been there or taken refuge in the US and allied nations. Even the oil prices would not have been manipulated to $140 as during Iraqi wars.

Similar dances and dramas are being repeated on Iran and Syria.

Oil prices are being manipulated higher and higher! What is the big deal for Sunni Islamic barbaric and beastly rulers like emir of Qatar to throw away $400 million?

However one may jump with sanctions on Iranian oil and shrieks on Syria, US and allies will not be able to do much after a decade.

Iraqi wars and Afghan war have crippled US and allies so much that they can't do much in Iraq and Afghanistan. McCains, Hillarys and co only jump up and down in their offices!

Even in Libya, the US and allies could not do much except shrieks!

It would also be nice if Israel was no longer a welfare state. The American taxpayer would be very happy.

MCR......Israel is not the problem. Radical Islam is.

It would also be nice if Israel was no longer a welfare state. The American taxpayer would be very happy.

It could be said that Israel is problematic to palestine, really nothing more.

It could just as well be said that islam is a cancer to the entire world.

beth ...exactly what does the isreali's taking the palestinian lands, homes, farms ,etc has to do with islam. I am no fan of any religion, but you don't make any sence. by the way isreali's are not problematic to paletinian only, just a few days ago kathryn ashton, the eu representative said that she regrets the isreali's decision of approving some 700 more building in the ocupied territory. so you can see the tred that even the eu is getting fed up with isreal.

The True Face of Islam : Amanpour:
Hamas founder's son Hassan Yousef : I spied for Israel

Please view the following and get back
to us with your opinions. I'm really looking forward to it.

The True Face of Islam : Amanpour:
Hamas founder's son Hassan Yousef : I spied for Israel

If the link does not appear just get on
to you tube and do a search of the heading above.

and,

If the link below doesn't work people
can just go on u tube and type in the following title.

Hamas official reveals where
Palestinians came from

Hamas official reveals where Palestinians came from

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZtiUdl9Cd0

Hamas leader's son

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHbCGC6amdk&feature=related

Abdallah: The desire of the Muslims to commit Jewish genocide has existed since the days of Allah and did not start with the onset of the Arab-Israeli conflict. With regards to imposing Sharia law, they make no distinction between lands originally Muslim and lands that they conquered by force. They are also not in favor of "peaceful solutions," and prefer to kill or be killed. They believe that the Jews started the French Revolution and the first and second world wars and their views on Jews and financial institutions are comparable to the Nazis. They claim freedom of all religions under Islam though go on to say that "Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people" and that "Peace and quiet would not be possible except under the wing of Islam."

The Covenant

of the

Islamic Resistance Movement

18 August 1988

Article Six:

The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned. In the absence of Islam, strife will be rife, oppression spreads, evil prevails and schisms and wars will break out.

The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant
him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

Article Eleven:

The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any
king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that. Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day. This being so, who could claim to have the right to represent Moslem generations till Judgement Day? This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement.

Article Thirteen:

Initiatives, and so-called peacefulsolutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight. "Allah will be prominent, but most people do not know."

Article Fifteen:

"I swear by the holder of Mohammed's soul that I would like to invade and be killed for the sake of Allah, then invade and be killed, and then invade again and be killed." (As related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

Article Twenty-Two:

For a long time, the enemies have been planning, skillfully and with precision, for the achievement of what they have attained. They took into consideration the causes affecting the current of events. They strived to amass great and substantive material wealth which they devoted to the realisation of their dream. With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.

You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through
which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it.

Article Twenty-Eight:

Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people. "May the cowards never sleep."

Article Thirty-One:

The Islamic Resistance Movement is a humanistic movement. It takes care of human rights and is guided by Islamic tolerance when dealing with the followers of other religions. It does not antagonize anyone of them except if it is antagonized by it or stands in its way to hamper its moves and waste its efforts.

Under the wing of Islam, it is possible for the followers of the three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - to coexist in peace and quiet with each other. Peace and quiet would not be possible except under the wing of Islam. Past and present history are the best witness to that."

Look up: "Avalon Project: Hamas Covenant 1988," Yale University School of Law for more information.

Than you Latekate!

You're welcome Basil. I hope people at least watch the one with the son of Hamas leader.

I watched it only reaffirms my belief

Thank you for the links, latekate. Great job. The second link was quite the surprise. If only some of this stuff would make it to mainstream news everywhere.

Could you imagine if it was the daughter of Hamas leader who spoke out? She would be dead meat.

Could you imagine if it was the daughter of Hamas leader who spoke out? She would be dead meat.

Couldn't even imagine what they would do to a woman...

Actually, I wondered if and how he was walking around at all considering a cartoon of the 'profit' sends the mullahs into a murderous fatwa frenzy so i took a minute out to look him up. He's a hero for humanity.

murderous fatwa frenzy

Yea that was beautiful, LOL

I was also impressed by the son. Bravo to him, hopefully it will lead to something constructive.

And yet some people have no problem making Islamic countries that have been proven to be oppressive to women and non-muslims, filthy rich from oil money.

Ronald, the money we send to Israel must be spent back here.

yap. they spend it on polititians

And pay for the pro-israel trolls on this vine.

rameshm2 and Henrich von Dorf, prove those slanders or retract. Unbiased sources only, please.

http://www.eutimes.net/2009/12/israel-paying-agents-to-post-pro-israel-propaganda-on-internet-forums-blogs/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_diplomacy_(Israel)

http://www.mediamonitors.net/victorlama4.html

Okay. So I checked your links.

1) Not one of them identifies Israel paying people to post on Newsvine. Try again.

2) The linked article from mediamonitors is a blatantly anti-Israel opinion column. Fail.

3) The EUTimes is marginal, again Newsvine is not identified, and it links to an opinion piece.

Try something that is factual, and specifically identifies Newsviners as "pa[id] for pro-Israel trolls on this vine". Otherwise your claim in #4.4 is a broad stroke slander.

EU Times noted israel pays agents to post pro israel propaganda on internaet forum and blog. Newsvine is just one of the blog.

Your post #4.4

Henrich von Dorf
And pay for the pro-israel trolls on this vine.

None of your supplied links support your claim that the Israeli government pays anyone posting on Newsvine. That's what I challenged you to prove. You failed to do so.

Your lack of the basic language skill is amazing.

The link has already identified israel pays agents to posting on forum and blog which implicitly includes newsvine and other similar ones in existence.

Your challenge is duely responded but you failed to comprehen.

No. I did not fail to comprehend. My language skills are fine, as demonstrated by my spelling and grammar skills.

You specified Newsvine, then used generalized statements to support your spurious claim.

You failed to prove your accusation.

Unfortunately, Rameshm2, despite their acheivements, they are not large enough in number to counter the murderous onslaught of the large number of Muslims who also receive support from Iran, Russia, and China. Curious that there are so many Muslims in the world and they still need foreign aid, despite their oil. Without it, they wouldn't survive for a month. And I'm certain you would be very happy if Israel didn't survive. But that won't happen, rameshm2. The Jews have always been victimized becauuse they never fought back. That's why we have Israel. This time we're fighting back.

Well, Israel never stole any land, only took what was rightfully theirs, nor have they ever killed any women or children who were not used as human shields by their husbands and fathers.

So, I guess everyone should want them to survive.

Don't worry, though, Israel could not care less who wants them to survive, they will survive without asking anyone's permission.

Yeah, like Doctor Izzeldin Abuelaish must have used his 3 daughters and 1 niece as human shield in his surgery.

What a lie!

LM: The people of Gaza received much international support after Israel returned it to them and they did invest the money in infrastructure. Google, "Malls in Gaza" and look up cities in the West Bank and you'll see how well they live. Unfortunately, improving their economy will make no difference in their attitude towards Israel. They squandered a number of opportunities (e.g., under Prime Minister Barak) to have a thriving, independent Palestinian state, opting instead to wage war. The Arab-Israeli conflict is not a land-for-peace issue or an economic one. It is a cultural and religious war waged by Muslims aginst Jews and people of other faiths. It's in their covenant. Please refer to my posting above.

basil romeo. the german's were the front runner in science at the turn of the century, even the car that you drive was invented by the german's, but that didn't stop them from the genocide they commited againt the jews. that same thing is now happening in palestine which the jews who once were the victom, now making a concentration camp out of palestine. msnbc just reported that the isreali's even calculated the amount of callories each palestinian need to survive. tell my if some one held you and your familly to the callories you need just to stay alive is not a human right violation. there have been a lot of genocides in history. turks on armenian. arabs on persians, serbs on bosnian. u.s sanction on iraq which caused over a million iraqi chidren to die from starvation. 1921 britsh on Iran(check the great persian famine). but you don't hear all these people bringing it up every day and making an industry out of it.

basil. so you are saying that a lot of these terrorist group receive money from iran, russia and china. what a bunch of b.s. my friend al qida was created by u.s, bin ladin was created by u.s and trained by cia, taliban was created by u.s and pakistanis. as we all know u.s, isreal,uk, qatar and saudi's are arming the rebels in syria. terrorist group jundillah is sponsored by isreal. isreali's have commited many terrorist act all over the world .

basil, I don't have an ill wish that isreal don't survive. the path that they are taking will lead them to isolation . My wish is that they stop medeling in other countries politics and bullying other nations, but I quess to your standard any critic about isreal will be marked as antisemite. by the way the jews are not the only sematics, the ARAB, as well as assyrian are also semites

rameshm2: I have no problem with criticisms against Israel provided that it is counterbalanced with criticisms of the other side. Allow me to give you a bit of background information about myself. I am 52 years old and have dual Israeli-American citizenship (born in US, immigrated to Israel at age 8). It was during my service in the IDF that I became friendly with two Arabs – one a Druze who lives in a town near Haifa and the other who lives in a village near Jerusalem. We remain good friends to this day. We know each other's families well and visit each other whenever I'm in Israel (I currently live in US). Obviously we have ideological differences but agree more than disagree. They are against violence as a means of furthering the Palestinian agenda and I am against building settlements in the West Bank except for a five mile buffer zone considering the short distance between the West bank and the ocean in Israel's midsection, which would otherwise be impossible to defend. I also believe that the extreme religious right in Israel is a threat to democracy and should be divorced from the political system. I do, however, consider myself a Zionist in that I believe that there should be two distinct states – one Israel where the majority remains Jewish and the other Palestinian where the majority remains Muslim. This should not pose a problem for the Arabs considering the mass of land in all Arab countries combined relative to the size of Israel. But this is not a land-for-peace issue – it's a cultural and religious war and always has been. Being a Zionist does not suggest that I am against a two-state solution or believe that we cannot live at peace with each other. One major difference between the Arabs and Jews is that the former espouse a covenant of genocide against the Jews and will not permit Jews to live and flourish in a newly established Palestinian state whereas Arabs who are inherently non-violent do very well economically and also politically in Israel today (e.g., they are represented in the Knesset). Both my Arab friends do very well – one owns a restaurant and the other an auto repair shop. The difference between you and I is that I have condemned the actions of individual Israelis (e.g., when the Arab youth was assaulted by a group of Israelis a number of months ago) and some of the policies of the Israeli government whereas your posts are one-sided, biased against the Jews.

Also rameshm: Please provide a link to the MSNBC "calorie count" of the Palestininas that you quoted.

BTW rameshm2: If you're referring to Iran in your "bullying" comment, I wonder who the bully really is given that Ahmadinejad was the one who threatened to wipe Israel off the face of the map.

here is the callory count. couldn't find it on msnbc, but the uk guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/17/israeli-military-calorie-limit-gaza

see you are making industry out of what was a convinient mistranslation of ahmadinejad. His statement refered to the isreali government that would parrish from the face of history. I am no fan of ahmadinejad by any means, but also no fan of netanyahoo. I think of him as a big bully. I myself am 51 born in iran served in iran/iraq war lucky to be alive. saw my cousin and a whole bunch of my friends die in a war that saddam hossain with all the help he could get from the west from awaxes to chemical bomb imposed on us. I live in u.s and work with jews and socialize with them as friends and have no problem with them. BUt I do have problem with the core idea of zionizm which is not only what you mention, but also the idea that Isreal was given to jews by god, and the idea of jewish superiority over the the non jews. and also my most problem is with the isreali government that medels in every country. you know and I know that Iran is not millitaruly a threat to isreal because they know you guys have more than 400 atomic bomb. but iran is a threat to isreal in counter blancing the isreali's power. If you recall shimon perez 9 years ago " iran even with a democratic government is a threat to isreal because of it's size and wealth. look up jundallah, which is a terrorist group funded by isreali's to try to seperate baluchestan from iran, they are also medeling in azarbayjan , kusdistan as well to try to seperate and devide Iran. you either don't know your own government or you are hiding your head in the sand. by the way there are over 200000 iranian jewish decendents who live in isreal and have kept in touch with their home land iran. actually one of your most admired singer :rita is iranian, also mofaz is from tehran. persian and jews lived together in iran for thousends of years and i don't believe they have any problem with on another. so in your opinion what is the defitition of zionizm.

what is the defitition of zionizm

Here is one definition.

To me, a Zionist has always been a person who supports the idea of a Jewish homeland, or state, in the Middle East. In ancient Israel. Therefore, being a Zionist is essentially the same as supporting the right of Israel to exist.

kpr37 "black Irish" pagan, Zionist, child of the goddess Danu (Tuatha De' Danann) ain't diversity grand.

As a good pagan, I am circumcised, and go to temple. (LOL) http://www.danann.org/temple.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/287219/z-word-jay-nordlinger?pg=2

His statement refered to the isreali government that would parrish from the face of history

I find it hard to believe that anyone of still pushing that apologist bull@!$%#.

It’s no longer possible to pretend we don’t know the intentions of Iran’s rulers.

They are telling us — candidly, clearly, and repeatedly. Most recently last Sunday: Addressing a gathering in Tehran, Major General Hassan Firouzabadi, chief of staff of the Iranian armed forces, vowed the “full annihilation of the Zionist regime of Israel to the end.”

A few days earlier, José Maria Aznar, former prime minister of Spain, during a presentation at the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, a respected Israeli think tank, recalled a “private discussion” in Tehran in October of 2000 with Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, who told him:

“Israel must be burned to the ground and made to disappear from the face of the Earth.”

Dore Gold, the former Israeli ambassador to the U.N. who now heads the JCPA,wanted to be certain there was no misunderstanding. He asked Aznar: Was Khamenei suggesting “a gradual historical process involving the collapse of the Zionist state, or rather its physical-military termination?”

“He meant physical termination through military force,” Aznar replied. Khamenei called Israel “an historical cancer” — an echo of Nazi rhetoric he has employed on numerous occasions, the last time in public on February 3.

Khamenei also told Aznar that the goal of the Islamic Revolution of 1979 has remained constant. It is to rid the world of two evils: Israel and the United States. Eventually, there must be an “open confrontation.” Khamenei said it was his duty to ensure that Iran prevails.

With this as context, it is no longer possible to pretend that the acquisition of nuclear weapons is not a priority for Khamenei

http://kpr37.newsvine.com/_news/2012/05/26/11895641-what-irans-rulers-want

persian and jews lived together in iran for thousends of years

But then Iran was conquered by Arabs, and a poisonous dogma called Islam (submission) became the dominate ideology of Iran's people. Leading to nonsensical bigotry like this.

The Persianophilic scholar E. G. Browne wrote those words in the 1920s about the entire pre-Pahlavi period of Shiite theocratic rule, from the ascension of the first Safavid shah, Ismail I, at the outset of the 16th century through Reza Shah Pahlavi’s installation in 1925, at the end of the Qajar dynasty.

These Shiite clerics emphasized the notion of the ritual uncleanliness (najis) of Jews in particular, but also of Christians, Zoroastrians, and others, as the cornerstone of relations toward non-Muslims.

things that are unclean to theocratic Muslims.As referenced by Quran 9;28

84.The following ten things are essentially najis:

1. Urine
2. Faeces
3. Semen
4. Dead body
5. Blood
6. Dog
7. Pig
8. Kafir
9. Alcoholic liquors
10. The sweat of an animal who persistently eats najasat.

The unbeliever or Kaffir is only one step above (or bellow,depending on point of view) a pig,but is less unclean than urine.

http://kpr37.newsvine.com/_news/2012/02/10/10377463-irans-final-solution-for-israel-andrew-bostom-national-review-online

rameshm2: How typical of you to misinterpret the facts to conform with your delusions. The following was posted by AL718 and I hope he/she does not mind me posting it here.

"ramesh, those calorie counts are simply guidelines on the amount of FOOD AID that SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN. It does not take into account the food made and sold by Palestinians. If you do your research, Palestinians have quite high obesity rates as compared to their neighbors, other Arab countries and the rest of the world - meaning they're not exactly starving.

Nevertheless, an ISRAELI court made sure those documents are released to make sure they are not in violation of any laws and in the interest of transparency."

romeo professed he has no problem with criticism against israel, yet he resorts to personal abuse, inuendo and name calling when confronted with criticism he either dislike or against which he has no defense. How fallble his argument is .

basil you are wrong again. according to the reseach, the some 1700 calories were reduced to 400 calories, and the resreach found that most chidren in gaza are suffering from malnutrition.

according to the reseach, the some 1700 calories were reduced to 400 calories

Utter nonsense, propaganda, meant to demonise Israel. It in no way shape or form, is related with reality. It's best described as a delusion of people with an unreasonable animosity, or antipathy toward Israel or some times "Jews" as a whole.

The report begins, thus.

“The Israeli military made precise
calculations of Gaza’s daily calorie needs to avoid malnutrition during
a blockade imposed on the Palestinian territory between 2007 and mid-2010..”
[emphasis added]

So far, we have a story corroborating Israeli
claims that, since the blockade was launched, Israeli officials were careful to
allow in enough food to avoid malnutrition.

Again, what is Israel’s crime?

Here’s where it gets strange:

“Israel says it never limited how many calories were available to Gaza, but critics claimed the document was proof the government limited food supplies to put pressure on Hamas.

Major Guy Inbar, an Israeli military spokesman,
said the calculation, based on a person’s average requirement of 2,300
calories a day, was meant to identify warning signs to help avoid a
humanitarian crisis…” [emphasis added]

The average recommended calorie intake according to the UK National Health System is 2500 for men and 2000 for women, indicating that Israel was making sure they supplied Gaza with enough food for Palestinians to consume the the calories necessary for proper nutrition.

So, what’s Israel’s crime?

Indeed, further in the report, Israel is again vindicated.

“The food calculation, made in January 2008, applied the average daily requirement of 2,279 calories per person, in line with World Health Organisation’s guidelines, according to the document.

“The stability of the humanitarian effort is critical to prevent the development of malnutrition,” the document said.

Further in the report, we learn the following:

“...at no point did observers identify a
food crisis developing in the territory, whose residents rely heavily
on international food aid.” [emphasis added]

Ok, in summary:

Israel maintained a blockade of deadly weapons sent to the Hamas run territory to protect their citizens from harm, but carefully avoided a humanitarian crisis from developing in the enemy territory
by ensuring the availability of the recommended number calories as determined by
international health organizations.

http://cifwatch.com/2012/10/23/immutable-israeli-guilt-watch-jewish-state-accused-of-ensuring-gazans-had-proper-nutrition/

kpr37. it is true that persia was invaded by arabs, turks monguls, british, russian, and now the mullah's who I believe were supported by britain to over through the shah, since the oil contract was expireing in 1979 and shah was not willing to renew it. but all the invasions did not take the persian's integrity away from them. as a matter of fact, the shia religion was only established some 500 years ago to seperate the persians from the main sunni islam and claim their own independent from the religion,according to the saudi wahabi's the shia moslims are infidels are are to be killed where you find them. but then these mullah's took it over and turned it to this. if you know history of persia, you'll know that these same mullah's had their pocket filled by the british, to give in to british demands and selling iran. as far as persian people concern, they have no prejedice towards jews, christians, or any other religion. don't foreget that we are talking about the government and not the whole nation. as ruthless as this government is, there are still some 2500 jews who live very happily in iran. If you run a survey on iranian people about the priority of relgion vs nationality. w/o a doubt majority of them will say they are persian before their religion. you are trying to demonize the whole persian nation, for what this government is doing. by the way if ahmadinejad thooght that the jews were najis, wpild he be in a meating with the othodox jewish rabi from u.s and kiss and hug them? well just go to you tube and search ahmadinejad meating with rabbi. If you want to bring this kind of b.s on the table then what do you have to say about the grand rabi of isreal who stated "that all non jews are gentiles and were created to serve the jews, so the jews can live like a king, and all the non jew women are whores and there to serve the jews. I think if you look a person as najis is far better than looking at them as slave ,whore or a gentile. your definition of zionizm is nothing but a lie. the true definition of zionism

zionism is a political ideology based on a homeland for Jewish people in Palestine and a belief that the Jews are God's 'chosen race' with a God-given right to the 'promised land' of Israel.

They also believe that the real borders of Israel must encompass what is now Israel, including Gaza and the West Bank still officially owned by the Palestinians, plus Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Jordan, or, as Genesis puts it: '... from the brook of Egypt to the Euphrates'.

That's the public expression of Zionism, but at its inner core it is a secret society created and controlled by the House of Rothschild.

They have sought to sell the 'Zionism-means-all-Jewish-people' lie so that they can condemn as 'anti-Semites' and 'racists' anyone who exposes the truth about Rothschild Zionism and its agents in government, banking, business, media, military etc.They also believe that the real borders of Israel must encompass what is now Israel, including Gaza and the West Bank still officially owned by the Palestinians, plus Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Jordan, or, as Genesis puts it: '... from the brook of Egypt to the Euphrates'.

http://www.davidicke.com/articles/political-manipulation-mainmenu-72/42734-they-dare-not-speak-its-name-rothschild-zionism

and the resreach found that most chidren in gaza are suffering from malnutrition.

what research?

The Palestinians are listed at the 8th place in world overweight population rankings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa

Report on obesity in Palestine

http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jobes/2012/213547/

food is widely avaible, video proof

http://youtu.be/Cf21QqvHauw

the shia religion was only established some 500 years ago

No, shia Islam started after "the battle of the came"ln in 656 AD.

and a belief that the Jews are God's 'chosen race' with a God-given right to the 'promised land' of Israel.

Delusional nonsense. Unrelated with reality.

but at its inner core it is a secret society created and controlled by the House of Rothschild.

Stop reading the protocols of the elders of Zion. Perhaps then somebody may take you seriously.

You just linked as a source, from one of the most bat @!$%# crazy dudes on the Innernet

Icke is a proponent of a super-duper grand unified conspiracy theory that mixes together just about every conspiracy theory you can think of; this he calls the "Babylonian Brotherhood."^[3] All members of the media, the scientific community, the banking system, and the religions and militaries of the world's nations are mere foot-soldiers of the conspiracy. These stooges are in turn controlled by the usual suspects: the United Nations, the Bilderberg Group, the Illuminati, the Freemasons, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Rothschild family, the World Bank, etc. All of these groups are merely the puppets of "the global elite," which are controlled by "the prison wardens."

With the release of his book The Biggest Secret in 1999, Icke added the final layer on top of the pyramid of conspiracy: Interdimensional shape-shifting lizard-people from a rift in the space-time continuum near the constellation Draco, often referred to as "reptilians" or "reptoids." Partially ripping off from Zecharia Sitchin, he claims these aliens are the Anunnaki and that they have interbred with humans throughout history. Much of the "evidence" of reptoids Icke and his worshipers put forth are old episodes of Doctor Who pictures of world leaders with enlarged pupils or red eye - the everyday kind of red eye - retinas illuminated by camera flashes. This supposedly signifies that they have momentarily lapsed in their shape-shifting.^[4]

Some people have taken offense to this, claiming that "shape-shifting lizard-people" is a code word for "Jews."^[5] While Icke claims that he is not anti-Semitic

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/David_Icke#Jews_Lizards

Battle of the camel

The branch of Islam that is called Shi'a has its origins in a series of disputes within the early Muslim community over who has the right to rule the community. Shi'ites believe that shortly before his death the Prophet Muhammad publicly nominated his cousin and son-in-law, 'Ali, to be his successor. However, according to Shi'ites, contrary to the expressed wishes of the Prophet, the community came under the leadership of three of his companions: Abu Bakr, 'Umar, and 'Uthman ibn 'Affan. It was only as a consequence of the assassination of 'Uthaman in 656 that 'Ali himself was chosen as caliph.

Not everyone accepted 'Ali's authority. A rebellion led by 'A'isha, the daughter of Abu Bakr and wife of the Prophet, was defeated by 'Ali's supporters at the Battle of the Camel, which took place near Basra in 656. (The battle is so-called because 'Ali observed the battle while seated on a camel.)

http://www.philtar.ac.uk/encyclopedia/islam/shia/geness.html

rame shm2: Once again a sham argument. Biblical ideology (i.e. Egypt to Euphrates) is no longer policy today, unlike Islam that continues to employ medieval forms of justice. Ahmadinejad met only with the sect of Jews called Satmer who, like him, believe the holocaust never occurred. Also, please provide your link to the statement by the "grand rabi of isreal," and from a reputable source please. I suggest that you visit Israel and determine for yourself whether it is an apartheid state it. Arabs who live peacefully in Israel have a higher standard of living than those in Arab countries. Did you know that there is Arabic language programming on Israeli TV and radio? Growing up there I often watched Egyptian movies with hebrew subtitles. And there are Arab representatives in the Israeli parliament. Also google to see the provision of medical care to Arabs by Israeli doctors and in Israeli hospitals. I know the people of Israel (jews and arabs) much better than you ever will from your readings of hateful sources because I lived there and have some Arab friends. A large majority of Israelis want a viable two-state solution. After all, they returned Gaza and the Sinai. And what did they get in return? Palestinians rejected PM Barak's offer and others that would have given them mopre than 90% of what they wanted, including east Jerusalem.

MYTH

“The Palestinians have never been offered a state of their own.” ^top

FACT

The Palestinians have actually had numerous opportunities to create an independent state, but have repeatedly rejected the offers:

• In 1937, the Peel Commission proposed the partition of Palestine and the creation of an Arab state.
• In 1939, the British White Paper proposed the creation of a unitary Arab state.
• In 1947, the UN would have created an even larger Arab state as part of its partition plan.
• The 1979 Egypt-Israel peace negotiations offered the Palestinians autonomy, which would almost certainly have led to full independence.
• The Oslo agreements of the 1990s laid out a path for Palestinian independence, but the process was derailed by terrorism.
• In 2000, Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered to create a Palestinian state in all of Gaza and 97 percent of the West Bank.
• In 2008, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert offered to withdraw from almost the entire West Bank and partition Jerusalem on a demographic basis.

In addition, from 1948 to 1967, Israel did not control the West Bank. The Palestinians could have demanded an independent state from the Jordanians.

The Palestinians have spurned each of these opportunities. A variety of reasons have been given for why the Palestinians have in Abba Eban’s words, “never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity.” Historian Benny Morris has suggested that the Palestinians have religious, historical, and practical reasons for opposing an agreement with Israel. He says that “Arafat and his generation cannot give up the vision of the greater land of Israel for the Arabs. [This is true because] this is a holy land, Dar al-Islam [the world of Islam]. It was once in the hands of the Muslims, and it is inconceivable [to them] that infidels like us [the Israelis] would receive it.”

The Palestinians also believe that time is on their side. “They feel that demographics will defeat the Jews in one hundred or two hundred years, just like theCrusaders.” The Palestinians, Morris says, also hope the Arabs will acquire nuclear weapons in the future that will allow them to defeat Israel. ⁸

“Barak made a proposal that was as forthcoming as anyone in the world could imagine, and Arafat turned it down. If you have a country that’s a sliver and you can see three sides of it from a high hotel building, you’ve got to be careful what you give away and to whom you give it.”

— U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld ⁹

Rame: The above was taken from the Jewish Virtual Library. If you have a problem with this source, which I suspect you will, why don't you research each of the statements. I'm certain you will find them to be a most accurate rendition of events.

by the way if ahmadinejad thooght that the jews were najis

Are you claiming he's an apostate?

84.The following ten things are essentially najis:

1. Urine
2. Faeces
3. Semen
4. Dead body
5. Blood
6. Dog
7. Pig
8. Kafir
9. Alcoholic liquors
10. The sweat of an animal who persistently eats najasat.

http://www.sistani.org/index.php?p=251364&id=48&pid=2126

If you want to bring this kind of b.s

It's from the Grand Ayatollah Sistani

That is not from any fringe group, outside the mainstream, it's the web site of Ali Sistani, the leader of the "MODERATE" Muslims of Iraq.

Role in contemporary Iraq

Since the overthrow of the Ba'ath Party, Sistani has played an increasingly prominent role in regional religious and politicalaffairsand he has been called the "most influential" figure in post-invasion Iraq.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_al-Sistani#Role_in_contemporary_Iraq

It's not confined to the middle east either, this wonderful western educated fellow, is teaching or preaching this vile hateful ideology in Canada, Toronto to be precise

Sayyid Muhammad Rizvi was born in the Saran district of Bihar, India.^[1] He migrated with his family to Tanzania, where he underwent elementary schooling.^[1] In 1972 he went to Qom for religious studies where he pursued his Ijtihadunder Ayatullah al-Uzma Shaikh Wahid Khurãsãni. . After successfully attaining the rank of mujtahid, he returned toIndia in 1982.^[1]

In 1983 he migrated with his family to Vancouver, and by 1991 he completed hisMaster of Arts degree in History (with no prior undergraduate degree), at Simon Fraser University.^[1] He then moved to Ontario in the same year, and since 1996^[1] he has been the Imam of theIslamic Shia Ithna Asheri Jamaat of Toronto.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Rizvi

This is Mr. Rizvi's site.

8. THE KAFIRS
(a'yan najisah - Unclean)

What is the meaning of "kafir?" Kafir (pl. kuffar) means an infidel, an unbeliever as opposed to a Muslim, a believer. "Muslim" is defined as a person who believes in Oneness of God, prophet hood of prophet Muhammad, and the Day of Judgment. A person who rejects any of these three principles is a kafir.

From Muslims' perspectives the kuffar are divided into two main groups: kafir dhimmi and kafir harbi.

"kafir dhimmi"is a kafir who lives under the protection of an Islamic government. "Kafir harbi"is a kafir who does not have such a protection. I must also mention a third, but rare, category of kafir: murtad. means an apostate; there are two types of murtad:

"Murtad fitri" a person who was born of a Muslim parent, but then declared his disbelief in Islam. "Murtad milli" a non-Muslim who had accepted the religion of Islam and then apostates from it.

http://www.islam-laws.com/taharatandnajasat.htm more on the disgusting and vile nature of non-Muslims, a more detailed explanation why Muslims should have no contact with them. They are not really human.They are less than human.

The list is the same for the theocracies of Sunni Islam.

That list can be found here.http://www.nku.edu/~kenneyr/Islam/Reliance.html

They use the word 'other humans" instead of kafir. then explain later, that it means non-Muslim. You may of course touch your Muslim wife, or your Muslim children.

Combining that information with the knowledge that slavery is an ongoing problem in Africa, as Muslim are buying and selling non believing Africans.They are less than human, it's ok.

The Memes of this primitive tribal construct,(Islam) are recorded and codified in the trinity (Qur'an, hadith and Sunnah Biography of Mohammad)

In the books held "holy" to submitters,the words are crystal clear "all men created by allah, are explicitly not equal" some are favored above others. Some are in fact, meant for bondage on this earth. As recorded in Qur'an 16:71

M. M. Pickthall

And Allah hath favoured some of you above others in provision. Now those who are more favoured will by no means hand over their provision to those (slaves) whom their right hands possess, so that they may be equal with them in respect thereof. Is it then the
grace of Allah that they deny?

When you hear the term "Islamic fundamentalism" why don't you associate it with the "fundamental principles of Islam"?

hear a freed slave, tell his story of freedom,and emancipation.

Slavery is part of the jihad (the booty), it is also part of the open U.N. record. I have a seeded article regarding this.

Sudan. On 23 March 1999 he was twice stopped on a 'point of order' by the delegation of Sudan before he could ask a key question on genocidal character of the war in Sudan" In 1992, the regime in Khartoum declared Jihad in Khartoum against the people of southern Sudan and the Nuba mountains. Since then, Jihad has been declared again and again.

I ask this very important question: is the Jihad a religious right of those who declare and wage it or is it a violation of the human rights of the people against whom it is declared and waged?] (21)

[A day later the former Sudanese Prime Minister Al-Sadiq Al-Mahdi sent his letter to Mary Robinson, in which he referred to Jihad and slavery in Sudan – his letter was widely circulated at the Commission. Under the title, War Crimes, he asked (his 5th question): "Is it legitimate for the ruling regime in an Islamic State to call for a JIHAD against its citizens, be they Muslims or Christians?" He concluded by writing that: although no one would justify slavery today, under shar'ia, "the traditional concept of JIHAD does allow slavery as a by-product."]

What progressive meme attacks Judeo- christian values (religion) while protecting the religion of submission? That is in fact, misogynistic toward women, female genital mutilation, child rape, gender apartheid. And still practices slavery in Africa. Why should I place any faith in such a crazy ass meme.

THE Global African Civil Society Organisations (GACSO) on Tuesday urged the
African Union to use its upcoming conference in Accra as a platform to end black
slavery in Arab lands before the Continent embarks on the "United States of
Africa" agenda.

http://ghanaculture.gov.gh/index1.php/10/privatecontent/File/CISP%20Ghana/privatecontent/File/swf/index1.php?linkid=65&archiveid=678&page=1&adate=27/06/2007

Darfur slaughter rooted in Arab-African slavery

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001970382_slavery02.html

ARAB MASTERS-BLACK SLAVES

http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/2252001.htm

From Ebony magazine

African-American leaders mobilize to help

SOME say it's genocide, others say it's religious persecution, still others say it's all about money and oil.

Whatever it's about, the reported existence of the buying and selling
of human beings in Sudan--Africa's largest and poorest country--in the 21st century has triggered an international furor and is fueling a mushrooming movement of protest by African-American leaders and celebrities.

According to reports, thousands of Sudanese Blacks are being sold for
from $10 to $100, and villages and communities in southern Sudan are being
plundered.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1077/is_10_56/ai_76770615/

Hear another, freed christian slave, tell his story of freedom and an over view of slavery in the Sudan

and a belief that the Jews are God's 'chosen race' with a God-given right to the 'promised land' of Israel.

As I understand it, it refers to being chosen to hear the word of god. Unlike Islam, that takes it a step further.

Muhammad Asad

YOU ARE indeed the best community that has ever been brought forth for [the good of] mankind: you enjoin the doing of what is right and forbid the doing of what is wrong, and you believe in God. Now if the followers of earlier revelation had attained to [this kind of] faith, it would have been for their own good; [but only few] among them are believers, while most of them are iniquitous:

M. M. Pickthall

Ye are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are evil-livers.

Shakir

You are the best of the nations raised up for (the benefit of) men; you enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong and believe in Allah; and if the followers of the Book had believed it would have been better for them; of them (some) are believers and most of them are transgressors.

Yusuf Ali

Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.

Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar

You had been the best community that was brought out for humanity. You command to that which is honorable and prohibit that which is unlawful and believe in God. And if the People of the Book believed, it would have been better for them. Some of them are the ones who believe, but most of them are the ones who disobey.

Wahiduddin Khan

You are indeed the best community that has ever been brought forth for [the good of] mankind. You enjoin what is good, and forbid what is evil, and you believe in God. If the People of the Book had also believed, it would have surely been better for them. Some of them are true believers, but most of them are disobedient.

T.B.Irving

You are the best community which has been produced for mankind. You command decency and forbid dishonor, and you believe in God [Alone]. If the People of the Book would only believe, it would be better for them; some of them are believers while most of them are perverse.

[Al-Muntakhab]
You Muslims have been the best people* that have evolved from mankind for mankind. You enjoin equity and you recourse to general principles of justice. You forbid all that is wrongful and obscene and you conform your will to Allah’s blessed will.

KPR37: You are unassailable!

rame: The only completely factual statement in your post is re: the Jewish community in Iran. It is the largest among all Muslim countries. The problem Israel has is, indeed, with the government and not the person in the street. I am, however, uncertain (no time now to research) about acts of violence/anti-semitism directed towards them.

KPR37: You are unassailable!

I'm very "religious"

Irish epics contain many episodes of the struggle between the Children of Domnu,

Defined as dogma, bull@!$%#, or delusion.

representing darkness and chaos,

and the Children of Danu, representing light and order Moreover,

Truth, knowledge, reality, intellectual exploration

the “Children of Domnu are never completely overcome or eradicated from the world.

As newsvine demonstrates, every day.(LOL)

Symbolically they are the world. The conflict is between the waters of heaven and the base reality of world.” [Ellis]

http://www.orderwhitemoon.org/goddess/Danu.html

basil and partner kpr37

I do't really give a damn about islam.nor I give a damn about any religion. as a persian, we resent arabs. so if you are under the imperssion that I am advocating for arabs, you are mislead. but that doesn't stop me from criticizing the isreali and specifically netanyahoo. as a humanitarian I believe what isreali government is doing to the palestinian is wrong. I have a fta sat which also has what is called" j1news" and I watch them on a daily basis along with aljazera,press tv and rt new plus main stream media. one day they were interviewing this isreali women on j1news and she w/o a doubt believd and said that isreal is given to jews by god and it is their right .so I think that you either don't admit or hiding you head in sand to say otherwise. .I do have jewish friend and most don't believe in god. they call netanyahoo a idiot. let me ask you a question.

does isreal give no jews citizenship?

do you believe that god gave isreal to the jews?

do you think iran is an existential threat to isreal?

how did isreal develope their nuclear weopon?

is isreal having an afair with saudi and qataris?

does mossad assasin and terror people ?

there are a lot more questions but lets start with these

basil

just to let you know that under no condition the 25000 jews in iran are discrimintated. the jews also have their represenative in senate in iran which the media doesn't tell you. but you can not turn your head when it comes to isreali government. this is a question that I ask you opinion

9 years ago shimon perez stated that a democratic iran os still a threat to isreal beacause of its size. so why would he feel this way.

why is mossad funding jundallah

rame: You're delusional again. When did Peres ever say that Iran was democratic? And please provide a link to this. I and others have repeatedly answered your questions but you insist on asking the same questions over and over. My challenge to you is: Travel to Israel and find out for yourself. Then post your impressions on the Vine. I would also suggest that you personally meet with Peres and ask him why he felt that way. Also, provide proof that the Mossad is funding the "beheading of Iranian officials" (jundallah).

you are not answering any question really. just repeating yourself with lies. international community and human right activists are aware of what isreali's doing and condemning that. the isrealis are braking every international laws and get away with it. you still insist that you government is not doing anything illegal. you could fool people when there was no mass media, but not anymore.even obama and sakozy were cought saying that netanyahoo is a liar. and they know him more than me and you. thats probably why he didn't want to meet him .

Bottom line, rameshm2, you make baseless accusations and supply no credible supporting proof. Simply stating that "everyone knows" is not proof. Nor is it accurate, I am "someone" and I don't "know" (or believe) many of these things you claim.

So, put up or shut up with the slanders, taqqiya, and false, baseless accusations.

boychik: I agree. Religion generally is the bane of human existence because humans by their very nature (some more than others) cannot tolerate other points of view. See the Muslim covenant above.

kpr37.

althoogh the shia has its root in where mohamad chose ali vs abubakr, but it never florished after they killed ali and his son's. so some 800 years later the persian brought it up and mixed it with zorastrianism"12 imam" to divert from the arabic islam. in the arab call it islam e ajam which ajam means non arab, but it mostly refers to persians. as a matter of fact even the jewish religion as you practice it today has its root in zorastrianism. the jewish religion never believed in god and evil and heaven and hell. It was after their exposure to the persians that they became the jewish religion as we know it today. the christianity also doesn't have it's root in jewish religion, but it is a direct transition from a sect of zorastian called mithraism. so after persia was invaded by arabs, persian never gave up their roots. why don't you study mithraism and find out how similar mithra and jesus were in every regard, but mithra lived some 500-1000 year before jesus.

so please stop giving me all these bs about islam, because I don't give a damn about islam. defending human right has nothing to do with defending islam. If the jews lived in palstine 3000 years ago and left, it doesn't mean that the jews today should throw people who live their under the bus, just because jews lived there 3000 years ago. if god gave isreal to the jews, and then exiled them, i haven't seen any news from your gad that you can go back yet. which I don't believe it ever happened. so lets see there are a huge community of assyrian in iran who their home land was current iraq" maybe we should give iraq to them. give indian america back, take away all these gulf arab nations and give them back to iran and etc. Iran lost azarbayjanand part of it northern states to russia some 200 years ago. iranian should also claim those back. It doen't work that way my friend. now that the state of isreal is, them people should accept the state, but isrealis should stop building in the territories that doesn't belong to them. tell your government to stop winning about iran, since themselves have more than 400 megoton atomic bomb enough to distroy the whole world. If isreal has the right to defend itself, so does Iran considering that iran has been attacked and invaded by arabs, turks, monguls, russian, british and most recently iraq and ally of us and the west.

althoogh the shia has its root in where mohamad chose ali vs abubakr,

That is reality, I see you can grasp it

but it never florished after they killed ali and his son's. so some 800 years later the persian brought it up and mixed it with zorastrianism"12

That can not be supported by history, or any a common verifiable reality, It's delusion, nonsense. Many people believe in a flat earth as well. But it is a delusion

If the jews lived in palstine 3000 years ago and left,

It was called Judea and Samaria

You are a proficient at math as history. Which is to say, not at all.

The Byzantine Empire was the remnants of the Roman Empire (eastern half), who stole the land from the Jews in 135 (AD)

Bar Kokhba, original name Simeon Bar Kosba, Kosba also spelled Koseba, Kosiba, or Kochba, also called Bar Koziba (died ad 135), Jewish leader who led a bitter but unsuccessful revolt (ad 132–135) against Roman dominion in Palestine.During his tour of the Eastern Empire in 131, the Roman emperor Hadrian decided upon a policy of Hellenization to integrate the Jews into the empire. Circumcision was proscribed, a Roman colony (Aelia) was founded in Jerusalem, and a temple to Jupiter Capitolinus was erected over the ruins of the Jewish Temple.

Enraged by these measures, the Jews rebelled in 132, the dominant and irascible figure of Simeon bar Kosba at their head. Reputedly of Davidic descent, he was hailed as the Messiah by the greatest rabbi of the time, Akiva ben Yosef, who also gave him the title Bar Kokhba (“Son of the Star”), a messianic allusion. Bar Kokhba took the title nasi (“prince”) and struck his own coins, with the legend “Year 1 of the liberty of Jerusalem.”

The Roman historian Dion Cassius noted that the Christian sect refused to join the revolt.

No mention of Muslim/Arabs, because Mohammad would not be born for many centuries. The Islamic conquest (634/637 AD) of the land would come shortly after Mohammad's death.

Of course the well oiled Palestinian propaganda machine, rejects reality, and claims all of the Jews and Christians living there were some how Muslims. (LOL)

Encyclopedia Britannia, is a wonderful tool for learning. What can we understand by reviewing history, without theology getting in the way.

The Jews took Aelia by storm and badly mauled the Romans’ Egyptian Legion, XXII Deiotariana. The war became so serious that in the summer of 134 Hadrian himself came from Rome to visit the battlefield and summoned the governor of Britain, Gaius Julius Severus, to his aid with 35,000 men of the Xth Legion. Jerusalem was retaken, and Severus gradually wore down and constricted the rebels’ area of operation, until in 135 Bar Kokhba was himself killed at Betar, his stronghold in southwest Jerusalem. The remnant of the Jewish army was soon crushed; Jewish war casualties are recorded as numbering 580,000, not including those who died of hunger and disease. Judaea was desolated, the remnant of the Jewish population annihilated or exiled, and Jerusalem barred to Jews thereafter. But the victory had cost Hadrian dear, and in his report to the Roman Senate on his return, he omitted the customary salutation “I and the Army are well” and refused a triumphal entry

An interesting map of the time can be found here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judea as you can see modern Israel, is much smaller than the Jewish peoples historic lands.

Arabs lead by Khalid ibn al-Walid (or the sword of allah) who invaded, still "occupy" some land that historically had been Jewish land.

There is not a shred of historical evidence supporting a single "Arab" village or town, in the area before this date, and the start of the Jihad.

Reality, logic and reason, most win out over dogma, or insanity will take hold.

Hardly a day passes in the Islamic world (or in the western intellectual world) without people standing up against and decrying the occupation of “al-Quds” (otherwise known as Jerusalem). In this column I have often argued otherwise: A counter-occupation is no occupation.

Now, dear Islamists, I have a “witness” whom I guess you could hardly refute. Forget my words and listen to what Turkey’s top Muslim cleric, Professor Mehmet Görmez, had to say just last week:“After the Prophet Omar conquered al-Quds he was invited to pray at a church (since there were no mosques in Jerusalem). But he politely refused because he was worried that the (conquering) Muslims could turn the church into a mosque after he prayed there.”

Now, read that line once again, or a thousand times if you wish to: “After the Prophet Omar conquered al-Quds…” And think about why there were no mosques in Jerusalem at the time of the conquest. Still no clue? Allow me to explain: Because Jerusalem was not a Muslim city. And now you claim it back because it is under “Jewish occupation!”

Hurriyet news Turkey.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/the-nazi-teen-and-the-occupation-of-jerusalem-.aspx?pageID=449&nID=18844&NewsCatID=398

the jewish religion never believed in god .

That can not be supported by history or a common verifiable reality. It's delusion, nonsense.

It was after their exposure to the persians that they became the jewish religion as we know it today

That can not be supported by history, or a common verifiable reality. It's delusion, nonsense.

kpr37. this is stupid , I ask you a whole bunch of questions, and you copy and paste some b.s from god knows where. why instead of selectivle answereing with copy and paste answere all the questions anout isreali's agenda. you hepocrite.

you copy and paste some b.s from god knows where.

I link from a source of secular reality. You think it's bull@!$%#.

link -" land from the Jews in 135 "

source of link

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/52477/Bar-Kokhba

That is after you link this dude, David Icke, who is bat @!$%# crazy, and want to be taken seriously?

Why is that?

Don't you think linking to a "Lizard men" conspiracy site, disqualifies you from ever being taken seriously?

rameshm2

http://www.davidicke.com/articles/political-manipulation-mainmenu-72/42734-they-dare-not-speak-its-name-rothschild-zionism

#6.17 - Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:59 AM EDT

That is you, is it not? you linked that?

He thinks "Jews" are sub-human Lizard men

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/David_Icke#Jews_Lizards

There is a difference between a link from the Encyclopedia Britannica, and bat @!$%# crazy dudes.

Can tell them apart? Why continue? It's waste of my time.

(ps)

look under your bed at night, I'm notifying the "black helicopters" to leave a "Zionist Lizard man" at your house, after he steals some land from your back yard that is.

All Zionist lizard men, have a ready supply of plastic zip look baggies, and little tea spoons. Do you know why?

So they can steal land, wherever they roam. It's just what Zionist lizard men do. There is no such thing as soil erosion (LOL)

Excellent source, Von Dorf Aichman: "The Gulf News." You might as well get your information from the White Aryan Nation Post.

People in Gaza have been living in indignity and misery under israel siege and blockade. No wonder they resort to resistance and fighting back against their tormentor.

If Gazans were truly living under seige, would Sheikh Hamad and his entourage have had the ability to just walk in AND break ground for his new business ventures??? This is no donation. The Sheikh is making an investment. In other words, he's expecting a healthy return for his troubles and has taken the initiative to make sure that it's one worth making.

Sheikh Hamad is officially visiting the territory to inaugurate reconstruction projects worth over $250 million, which an envoy of his oil-rich, conservative Arab emirate unveiled in Gaza last week.

On the other hand, he may wish to rethink this.

“We can’t welcome the visit of the emir and his wife to the Gaza Strip,” said political analyst Adel Abdel Rahman, who is affiliated with Fatah, to the paper. “The visit does not serve the unity of the Palestinian territories, the people and the political system. On the contrary, the visit poses a threat to unity and our political system.”

hhhmmmm...any guesses WHY Rahman feels this visit is posing a threat??? I can think of a few and they have nothing to do with Israel.

BTW: Mr. Haniyeh looks quite good for someone living in "indignity and misery."

yes he does but comparing the poster of the Sheikh to his photo, i dunno...he doesn't look well. Looks as though he has had a recent and rapid weight loss.

After taking another look at the photos, the Sheikh's wife is named and titled, as she should be. Haniyeh's wife is merely mentioned as his wife. What's up with that??? No name no title but notice that she is looking quite robust.

Qatar's first lady, Sheikha Mozah bint Nasser al-Missned, left, walks alongside the wife of Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniya, during a welcome ceremony at the Rafah border crossing with Egypt

No such thing as 67 "borders". It's an armistace line. Also, the name of the country is spelled ISRAEL. The preferred spelling for followers of Islam is MUSLIM. Hosni's last name is MUBARAK.

As for the Blue Berets, I assume you mean UN Peacekeepers. Yeah, good luck with that. How are they getting to Gaza? Israel won't let them through, and I doubt the Egyptians will either.

The indignity people have to endure in Gaza will soon end...

Do you really think so??? I can hardly wait for the day when the people of Gaza will finally wake up and refuse to allow this game played by Hamas and Fatah and who knows who / what else to dictate their lives. It will be a great day when these power hungerers hell-bent on poisoning their own people - all for their own gain - are all tossed out on their collective asses and Gazans can live worry free and peaceably in a democratic society united under the Israeli flag. Gazan mothers will no longer have to worry about their children being poisoned with so much hatred that their only goal in life is to become a suicide bomber and murder innocents. Yes, that will be a wonderful day indeed.

No, my avatar is exactly what it should be. And you've got a very strong rose tint on those glasses if you actually think the Muslim Brotherhood would ever allow UN Peacekeepers on Egyptial soil just for access to Gaza. Egypt's history with UNPK's is not all that great. Even before Mubarak.

It's obvious you don't know your history very well, either. The peace accord between Israel and Egypt pre-dates Mubarak. The blockade was put in place well after the Israelis left Gaza, it was put in place after attacks on Israel from Gaza once the terrorist organization Hamas seized leadership in Gaza. Egypt put their blockade in place in reaction to smuggling tunnels being used by terrorists to smuggle arms into Gaza.

Try an actual source, not the poisoned print they use in school books in Gaza.

Amen, pjwbur

Stop firing rockets into Israel. Agree to peace talks without pre-conditions. Stop with the suicide attacks. Stop indoctrinating your children to hate along with mother's milk. Recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish homeland.

Now... let's talk two-States.

Also, there are no "occupiers" in Gaza, unless you're talking about Hamas, the puppet of Iran. If you're talking about Israel, they unilaterally withdrew in 2005. The last Israeli left Gaza quite a while ago, he was a kidnapped soldier, so hardly an occupier. Remember Gilad Shalit?

STOP YOUR LIES, ABDULLAH!!!

Your lies are easily brushed away just by pressing a few buttons and posting a few links.

-they cannot vote, elected, selected etc..

Blame the terrorist dogs of Hamas.

-they are attacked by F-16s, apachis, abrams who are chasing couple dumb-rocket throwers... All they have is M-16, maybe...to defend themselves..

Maybe the terrorist dogs shouldn't fire rockets at Israel.

Only Gaza is a problem; not Jordan, not Lebanon, not Syria, not Egypt.

Not the West Bank.

Only the verminous terrorists in Gaza.

Only in Cannan. There are also laws that instruct Israel to treat foreigners with respect. Or state book, verse and chapter. I'd love to see it.

FirstHuman: Please provide the quote directly from the bible, primarily your use of the term "all." The big difference between the Jews and Muslims in this respect is that the Muslims still employ this medieval form of jurisprudence that the Jews and Christians have long abandoned. Nice try but no bananas.

The fun part is First Human: rest of the world doesnt go by verbaitim of religious books. They accept the message and the good word of god.

Really? Provide your sources with links. Please read my posting above re: my own background. The majority of Israelis want a two-state solution. The Arabs living in Israel live better than in Arab countries. They have beautiful homes, drive luxury German cars (primarily Mercedes), and are represented in the Israeli parliament - those who are non-violent, that is. They can also freely practice their religion and watch Arabic programming on Israeli TV. You call that an apartheid state? The only monster I see is a grandiose person calling him/herself "first human."

Palestinians are welcome to their own state, as long as they don't shoot at Israel.

In fact, they already pretty much have two states, and Israel is OK with that, but if they keep attacking Israel, both of those states will end up in ruins.

If emir is unhappy with that, I am sure Israeli government will put it right on top of their we-don't-give-a-dam list.

And congratulations on your ability to throw away money.

I thought you believed that there is no such thing as palestinian state, I am glad you said that. what are you talking about. they have a state that they have no control over the air, sea or land. you are such hipocrite. Isreal is the only country without a border. do you know why. because they believe in greater isreal. to have border,means they cannot expand.