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A picture made available on Oct. 24, 2012 shows a fire following an explosion at Yarmouk military factory in Khartoum, Sudan. The fire has been contained, but it is still unclear what triggered the explosion.
Sudan on Wednesday blamed Israel for a huge explosion and fire at an arms factory in Khartoum that killed two people. Israel's defense minister declined to comment.
"Four military planes attacked the Yarmouk plant. ... We believe that Israel is behind it," Sudan Information Minister Ahmed Belal Osman told reporters, adding that the planes appeared to approach the site from the east.
Asked by Israel's Channel Two News about Sudan's accusations, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said: "There is nothing I can say about this subject."
Similarly, U.S. officials who spoke with NBC News on condition of anonymity, said, "We have no comment. We can’t help you on this.”
Some Pentagon officials suggested that the explosion could have been accidental and said there were “conflicting reports” about its cause.
Sudan, which analysts say is used as an arms-smuggling route to the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip via neighboring Egypt, has blamed Israel for similar blasts in the past, but Israel either has refused to comment or said it neither admitted or denied involvement.
The powerful explosion at the Yarmouk Military Industrial Complex in southern Khartoum rocked Sudan's capital before dawn Wednesday, sending detonating ammunition flying through the air and causing panic, Sudan's official news agency and local media reports said. Nearby buildings were damaged by the blast, their roofs blown off and their windows shattered, according to the reports.
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"Sudan reserves the right to strike back at Israel," Osman said, saying two citizens had been killed and that the plant had been partially destroyed. Another person was seriously injured, he added.
Officials said earlier there were no reports of deaths, although some residents had suffered from smoke inhalation.
Around 300 people gathered in the evening at the courtyard of a government building where the Sudanese Cabinet was meeting in an emergency session, shouting "Death to Israel" and "Remove Israel from the map."
Conflict displaces 900,000 in Sudan border areas
"Israel is a country of injustice that needs to be deterred," Vice President Ali Osman Taha, standing next to President Omar Hassan al-Bashir, told the crowd. "This attack only strengthens our firmness."
The governor of Khartoum state initially had ruled out any "external" cause for the blast, but officials later showed journalists a video from the vast site showing a huge crater next to two destroyed buildings and what appeared to be a rocket lying on the ground.
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Osman said an analysis of rocket debris and other material had shown that the attack had been engineered by Israel, which Sudan views as an enemy.
Defense Minister Gen. Abdul Rahim Mohamed Hussein and senior officials visited the site of the explosion and held an emergency meeting with top army generals while security forces sealed off the area surrounding the complex and halted traffic.
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In 2009, a convoy carrying weapons in northeastern Sudan was targeted from the air, killing dozens. It was widely believed that Israel carried out the attack on weapons shipment headed for Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip. Israel never confirmed or denied that. Sudanese parliamentarians denied that weapons were transported in the area.
In 1998, the United States used cruise missiles to knock out a Khartoum pharmaceutical factory suspected of links to al-Qaida in the aftermath of the terror group's bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed 224 people.
Sudan has long been a major hub for al-Qaida militants and a transit for weapon smugglers and African migrant traffickers.
NBC News' Senior Investigative Producer Robert Windrem, the Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
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The barbarism and the flounderig of international law displayed by this terrorist state has no bound.
I'd hardly consider destroying an arms factory an act of "barbarism". That's a pretty legitimate military target.
You're right, Heinrich. Sudan has become a real threat to the world, so it was about time some other nation bombed their munitions factory to keep them from selling everything to al shabaab.
Interesting they noticed the aircraft approaching 'from the east' since both Ethiopia (Sudan's sworn enemy) and Yemen, a hotbed of terrorist activity are the two closest countries to the east of Sudan. Israel is way to the north, and so is Egypt.
Sneak attacking a sovereign state not at war with you, whatever the target may be, is an act of aggression and barbarism. The attack at Pearl Harbour provided a similarity.
So you agree that the Yom Kippur war was illegal, as well as all of the surprise attacks coming from Gaza.
Good for you!
Sneak attacking a nation not at war with you? Sudan views Israel as an enemy. Which means they are inherently hostile to Israel and therefore by the laws of war would attack Israel the first opportunity they have. The only reason they haven't done it yet is because for one, they can't beat Israel in a one-on-one war, and they also would have to deal with the international backlash. If they are supplying arms to a group (or country) that is attacking Israel, they have every right to trash that target to stop the flow of weapons to their enemy. Logistical aid is still aid, even if they haven't directly fired a shot, they are indirectly responsible for the attacks on Israel.
Also, it's Sudan. With a Muslim government. They always blame everyone (especially Israel and the West) for all of their problems. That's all they do over there. It's never their fault for anything.
yom kippur war was between two waring sides, one side attempted to recover lost land.
Land grabbing is illegal under UN resolution 242.
Attacks from Gaza are usually reciprocative rather than initiative.
Henrich
You fail to mention the reason for the "lost land" It was due to another unprovoked attack on Israel, where the goal was to push Israel into the sea forever! War was declared and the aggressor lost, the agressors also LEGALLY lost land to the victors as the spoils of the war.
Your last sentence is backwards, last year Hamas fired over 800 rockets and mortars from Gaza towards civilian targets in Israel, Israel has only ever responded with limited and periodic attacks against known terrorist rocket locations.
Examine all Muslim nations. Can Muslims run anything properly? They are busy killing each other by classifying the other one as a "good Muslim" and "bad Muslim."
This explosion must be due to internal problems like short circuit or some "bad Muslim" blowing up!
Israel does not have time to do it even if they are paid for it!
Poor Hiney von Dipstick. If you can redefine Terrorism, then I'm going to redefine Genius.
Congrats, Hate Monger. You're a friggin' Genius.
Ken,
Israel started the 1967 war. It started June 5 with surprise (some would say sneek attack) air strikes on Egyptian air bases.
Spoils of war is not legal. Read resolution 242.
Argue your point without trying to rewrite history.
Actually, ED, the '67 war started with Egypt blocking trade routes. Once again, your one portion right doesn't tell the whole story. Oh well. I guess as long as Israel lives you will be here telling us how downright terrible they truly are. And it's not because you're a hate monger or anything. No, shun that thought. It's because only you know what really happened 45 years ago, and you know well enough to tell us all that the Zionists control history.
@ED,
UN Resolution 242 was adopted on November 22 1967 months after the conflict. Spoils of War right or wrong has been with us since well...... since war began. Take that away and what the hell is war good for then anyway. Look at the recent wars that the U.S. have been involved in. The US Military goes and kicks some major A$$ and our useless Politicians don't even shake the Enemy down for their lunch money:( Why you ask? "Cuz thats not nice" Oh bother just let the other countries have the oil and mineral wealth as we just love to spend (other peoples) money and bury ourselves in Mountains of debt. The
LiarsI mean Lawyers running (into the ground) this dog and pony show (cough...Congress, cough, cough Senate) obviously have little to no experience turning a profit. The least they could do is take an Economics and Business course from Dean Struthers at ICS then try their hands at oh I don't know maybe a lemonade stand. That way they would have at least some experience. I'd say that I know guys at Autozone that could do better but that would be insulting Autozone.United Nations Security Council Resolution 242
(November 22, 1967)
The Security Council,
Expressing its continuing concern with the grave
situation in the Middle East,
Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of
territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in which
every State in the area can live in security,
Emphasizing further that all Member States in their
acceptance of the Charter of the United Nations have undertaken a commitment to
act in accordance with Article 2 of the Charter.
1. Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles
requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which
should include the application of both the following principles:
(i) Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories
occupied in the recent conflict;
(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and
respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and
political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in
peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of
force;
2. Affirms further the necessity:
(a) For guaranteeing freedom of navigation through
international waterways in the area;
(b) For achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem;
(c) For guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and
political independence of every State in the area, through measures including
the establishment of demilitarized zones;
3. Requests the Secretary-General to designate a Special
Representative to proceed to the Middle East to establish and maintain contacts
with the States concerned in order to promote agreement and assist efforts to
achieve a peaceful and accepted settlement in accordance with the provisions and
principles in this resolution;
4. Requests the Secretary-General to report to the
Security Council on the progress of the efforts of the Special Representative as
soon as possible.
See The Meaning of
Resolution 242
Ed is in the running for the asshat of the day award...
Read up on the war douchholio....
If you want to call an air strike on a Sudanese arms factory a violation of international law, fine. I'm not going to argue the technical details.
But if we take Sudan at its word (as you obviously do, Henrich), then this was a surgical air strike against a weapons factory that was part of a supply line that armed paramilitary groups that regularly attack Israel. And with low civilian casualties, to boot. That's very far from an act of barbarity and much closer to sound, and reasonable, military action.
I wouldn't put it past Israel to launch an attack like this, but the way the government apparently said it wasn't an outside attack and then did a U-turn, complete with a specific enemy to blame, is more than a little suspicious. It's at least as likely that the explosion was accidental and the government is framing Israel to incite nationalistic support rather than suffering criticism for slipshod safety standards in their weapons factories.
And they say it was an air strike? That region is heavily militarized. Wouldn't they have radar contacts to have determined it right away, or are Israeli jets advanced enough that they can attack and Sudan wouldn't know until they searched the blast site afterward?
Either way, Sudan had best waive their "right" to strike back at Israel. If Israel really can demolish their arms factories with impunity, I doubt that a direct confronation will end well for Sudan.
But absolutely no mention in the mainstream media of terrorists in the Gaza strip sending 80 rockets into Israel this morning.
It is exactly like Obama. He said the killing of US ambassador was a spontaneous act of the protesters protesting a video. Obama's henchmen/women went around the US talk shows and blamed it on a video. Even Obama went to UN to say that a video caused all the problems. When caught with his pants down, he changed the story as an act of terror. You see all Muslims do the same. Got the point?
gud,
learn how Intelligence in a Government works. Obama is not the one that was attributing the attacks to a protest the CIA was. Obama was merely reporting to us what he had learned during his security briefings. And before you go off on the "leaked" emails, Twitter and Facebook at not valid sources for Intelligence gathering (this is where those claims of responsibility came from).
Geowil...Then as Pres you keep your mouth shut and keep saying we'll get to the bottom of it....
And they sure used Twitter and Facebook as launchpads to help the "libyan uprising" didn't they??
@Rob68,
That is exactly what Obama did --- over and over --- and is continuing to do. It is the GOP who are claiming that Facebook and Twitter are legitimate intelligence sources (even though the Facebook posts both claimed responsibility and denied responsibility in the same series of posts.)
Sudan should not put the blame on Israel, do you remember that the sudanes president was boosting of helping the militants to topple Gadaf,, now things are turning back the men of Gadaf will not rest untill Albashier goes,,,, its funny that he has threatened to strike Israel,,, my dear just forget that dream,, Israel can eliminate you even today to show you that your country is more than one million away from Isreal
Chris...Yes he kept saying we'll get to the bottom of this all the while laying blame to everyone BUT a terrorist group..And funny that the group claimed on Twitter and Facebook as being responsible really IS responsible....
Rob, get your facts straight. It was not terrorists that started the Arab Spring. It was everyday people who were pissed off at their oppressive Governments and a smattering of syndication by Anonymous.
Technically it was one man who started it all off by lighting himself on fire, Ala-Tibet, in protest of the Tunisian Government extorting money from his business.
let me guess Von Dorf - you want to get those furnaces at Dachau fired up to end the Jew "problem" your pathetic
Geowil...You keep telling yourself that.....Answer me this...Who are the main Government leaders in Egypt?? I'll answer for you...The Muslim Brotherhood..Did you know the group in Tunisia that leads the Government is a Moderate Muslim one that supported the takeover of the US Embassy in Iran??
Thanks for playing.....
Rob,
It does not matter who is in power. We are Americans, not Egyptians, not Tunisians. We have no say in their country and who they vote for just as they have no say in who we vote for. America is not the center of the world and people here in America need to stop thinking that it is.
As for the Brotherhood, I do not by into the rumor that they are a hard-line terrorist organization. Sure they may be Islamists however show me any proof, as of what the Egyptian government has done since they were elected, that leads you to believe that they are going to take Egypt down the same road as, say, Palestine.
As for the Iran business, I do not pretend to fully understand Middle East politics and I am sure you do not either. However if it is the will of their nations then who are we to tell them they chose wrong? If they, in fact, did choose wrong then they are responsible for correcting their mistakes until they get the type of Government that they want.
We have no place to tell them who to vote for. The time of America propping up dictators in our own personal interest over the safety of the people of said country should long be over.
Geowil.....The Arab Spring was concocted and helped by terror groups and it shows by who the leaders in those countries are...THAT is simple....
You are right..We have no place to tell them who to vote for...But if in the course of electing a Government they elect a hard-line group that supports terror groups then they better be ready to pay for anything that group does.....
I disagree. I would encourage Sudan to re-purpose the war planes they currently use to bomb the African Sudanese in Nuba mountains and Dar-al-Arab (formerly Dar-Fur) and send the straight away on a mission against da joos.
"had the Israelies attacked, the entire factory would be a smoldering pile of ash. "
It aien't necessarily so. It could be that da Joos wanted to demonstrate their ability to destroy exactly what they wanted to destroy without killing anyone. Even the night watchman nearby was not harmed.
Way to go!!! Mr Boom Boom
Israel didn't do this.
How do I know?
Because the factory was only damaged, not destroyed.
It was likely an industrial accident, and Jews are always a great scapegoat for the blame.
yeah I gotta agree , if Israel did it the entire factory would be nothing but ash and rubble . Looks more like an accident being made out as an attack for sympathy points .
..........It was likely an industrial accident......
Not so, industrial accident did not have involve 4 attacking military planes.
And if Sudanese say there were planes, that means that there unquestionably were planes, right?
Henrich von Dorf: You have to give a little break.
I hate to some extent Netanyahus and US extremist jewish lobby (of course there are Sunni Saudi, oil companies, Christian right and their own lobbyists) for outsourcing all Sunni Saudi, oil companies and Israel's dirty jobs to US, Britain, Germany, France and allies as during Iraqi wars and now Iran and Syria.
But this Sudanese invention on putting blame on Israel can be done only by seventh century Islamic mad Nazis!
Gee Steven - Why then did the Israeli fail to sink the USS Liberty, when they attacked it in international waters? Could it be that the Israelis are incompetent bunglers? They also had their a$$ es handed to them when they attempted to fight Hezbollah forces on the ground in Lebanon.
They know they are incompetent, which is why they are trying to get the US to attack Iran.
The attack on the arms factory was anther case of Israeli naked aggression, just as it was when they attacked the USS Liberty. Would you like me to post the full time line of the attack?
“The former Commander of the Air
Force, General Ezer Weitzman, regarded as a hawk, stated that there was ‘no
threat of destruction’ but that the attack on Egypt, Jordan and Syria was
nevertheless justified so that Israel could ‘exist according the scale, spirit,
and quality she now embodies.’...Menahem Begin had the following remarks to
make: ‘In June 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in
the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We
must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.’“ Noam Chomsky,
“The Fateful Triangle.”
Was
the 1967 war defensive? — continued
“I do not think Nasser wanted war.
The two divisions he sent to The Sinai would not have been sufficient to launch
an offensive war. He knew it and we knew it.” Yitzhak Rabin, Israel’s Chief
of Staff in 1967, in Le Monde, 2/28/68
Heinie....Did anyone else see the planes?? So you believe everything you read?? Of course you doo..It was on teh internetz....
And Ralph...They didn't sink it because they stopped attacking it....
Ralph - Here is the solution: Get your Iranian ayatollahs out of ALL countries and STOP meddling in affairs of ME and African and S. American countries - and the world will be at peace - just as it was before 1979 when your people attacked the US embassy.
Rob - You asked for it, so here it is. Keep in mind that Lyndon Johnson was Jewish on both his maternal grandparents side, making him Jewish. Read Johnson's comments. He was a traitor to his country.
There is a timeline
at the website which was set up to honor the American victims of the Isareli
and U.S. Military. Most of it follows.
June 8,
1967, Israeli forces attack the USS Liberty. They kill 34 American servicemen,
wounding 171 others. It will be the highest casualty rate ever inflicted on a
U.S. naval vessel, with 7 out of every 10 crew members killed or injured. It
will also be the only peacetime attack on a U.S. naval vessel that, to this
day, the Congress of the United States of America formally refuses to
investigate.
2 June 1967. Liberty
departs Rota at top speed of 18 knots en route to a point 13 miles off the Gaza
Strip, well within international waters.
5 June 1967, 7:45
(all times cited are local Liberty time). Israel attacks Egypt, simultaneously
putting out false reports that Egypt had attacked first. Captain McGonagle asks
Vice Admiral William Martin at Sixth Fleet headquarters to send a destroyer as
an armed escort and auxiliary communication center, noting that Liberty's
"self defense capability limited to four .50 caliber machine guns and
small arms."
6 June
1967. Admiral Martin replies "Liberty is clearly marked United States ship
in international waters, not a participant in the conflict and not a reasonable
subject for attack by any nation . . . Request for escort denied."
7 June
1967, shortly before midnight. Office of the U.S. Defense Attaché in Tel Aviv
sends coded message to U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) that Israel intends
to attack the Liberty if her course is not changed.
8 June 1967:
1000: Two unmarked,
rocket-armed, delta-winged jets circle Liberty three times. Liberty officers
can count rockets and see the pilots, but see no identifying marks on the
plane. The jets radio Israeli headquarters that the ship is flying an American
flag.
1030: Israeli "flying boxcar" with Israeli markings circles
Liberty at about 200 feet. Crew member Larry Weaver says, "I was actually
able to wave to the co-pilot, a fellow on the right-hand side of the plane. He
waved back, and actually smiled at me."
1055: Pinchas Pinchasy, naval liaison officer at Israeli air force
headquarters, reports to Naval Headquarters that the ship cruising slowly off
El Arish is "an electromagnetic audio-surveillance ship of the U.S. Navy,
named Liberty, whose marking was GTR-5."
1100 & 1130: Israeli reconnaissance aircraft again circle Liberty.
1205: Three Israeli motor torpedo boats leave Ashdod at high speed headed
toward Liberty. They are followed by Israeli air force fighters, loaded with
30mm cannon ammunition, rockets, and napalm.
1215 & 1245: Israeli reconnaissance aircraft again circle Liberty.
1341: Israeli torpedo boats spot Liberty and call for an immediate air strike.
1358: Two unmarked delta-winged Mirage jets attack Liberty. After taking out
gun mounts, they target ship's antennae and bridge with heat-seeking missiles.
1405: Three unmarked Dassault Mystère IIIC jets attack with napalm and
rockets. Ship tries to contact Sixth Fleet headquarters, but five of Liberty's
six shore circuits are jammed. Radio operator manages to send distress signal
from Captain McGonagle: "Under attack by unidentified jet aircraft,
require immediate assistance." Attack lasts approximately 22 minutes,
involving 30 to 35 sorties, killing nine men and wounding around 60. Israeli
pilot reports to base: "Great, wonderful, she's burning, she's
burning."
1409: Captain Joe Tully of the USS Saratoga acknowledges call for help,
dispatches four F-4 Phantom jets, and informs Liberty that help is on the way.
Within minutes U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert MacNamara orders rescue jets to
return: : "Tell Sixth Fleet to get those aircraft back
immediately." Rear Admiral Geis relays message and tells them to re-launch
jets in 90 minutes.
1424: Three French-built 62-ton Israeli motor torpedo boats approach Liberty in
attack formation. Because the Israeli fighters had destroyed the American flag,
Captain McGonagle orders the signalman to hoist the "holiday ensign,"
the largest flag the ship has.
1435: Torpedo boats launch five German-made 19-inch torpedoes at Liberty.
One torpedo strikes starboard directly into NSA area, accounting for 25 of the
34 men who would be killed. Torpedo boats then circle, machine-gunning the ship
with armor-piercing projectiles for another 40 minutes.
1450: Commander of Sixth Fleet orders carriers USS America and USS Saratoga to
send aircraft to defend Liberty.
1500: NSA Sigint Command Center receives first notice of the attack from either
the America or Saratoga: "USS Liberty has been reportedly torpedoed by
unknown source in Med near 32N 33E. Request examine all communications for
possible reaction/reflections and report accordingly."
1505: Message sent to Liberty from Sixth Fleet: "Sending aircraft to cover
you. Surface units on the way." Liberty is off the air and does not
receive the message.
1511: First "official" notice that Liberty is under attack reaches
National Military Command Center in Washington.
1515: After the order to "prepare to abandon ship" comes over the
loudspeaker system, the lifeboats are lowered into the water. Israeli torpedo
boats move in closer and fire on them, as well as those still on deck, making
them all unusable. "I watched with horror as the floating life rafts were
riddled with holes," recalled Lieutenant Lloyd Painter, in charge of the
evacuation. Said Petty Officer Rowley, who also witnessed the event: "They
didn't want anyone to live." After destroying the life rafts, the Israeli
boats departed. Next, two Israeli SA-321 Super Frelon Hornet assault
helicopters carrying soldiers in battle dress circle ship several times, then
depart.
1520: Commander of Sixth Fleet announces that 12 aircraft will be launched at
1545 to arrive near Liberty at 1715.
1532: Walt Rostow, President Johnson's Special Assistant for National Security
Affairs, notifies the president of the attack.
1536: Israeli torpedo boats return, then leave.
1545: USS Saragota and America launch second rescue flights.
1555: Liberty regains its transmitter; still has no receiver.
1600: Liberty transmits: "Flash, flash, flash. I pass in the blind. We
are under attack by aircraft and high-speed surface craft." Deputy
Director Louis Tordella is informed by Deputy Director of Joint Reconnaissance
Center, Captain Vineyard, that "consideration was then being given by some
unnamed Washington authorities to sink the Liberty in order that newspaper men
would be unable to photograph her and thus inflame public opinion against the
Israelis." Tordella makes an "impolite" comment about the idea,
writes a memo of the conversation for the record, and stores it away.
1605: Liberty transmits: "Request immediate assistance. Torpedo hit
starboard side."
1614: American embassy relays Israeli apology to White House, Department of
State, and Sixth Fleet that an unidentified "maybe Navy" ship has
been erroneously attacked.
1615: Two unidentified jets approach Liberty, then veer off.
1630: Israeli jets and three torpedo boats return, offer assistance. Captain
McGonagle refuses their help. Boats leave after 12 minutes.
1639: Secretary of Defense McNamara again orders rescue planes recalled;
order is confirmed by President Johnson because "we are not going to
embarrass an ally." Naval Air Attaché at U.S. embassy in Tel Aviv,
Commander Ernest Castle, is summoned to Israeli Defense Forces headquarters.
1717: Deputy Secretary of Defense orders that all news releases on attack are
to be made in Washington. Soon after, Israeli helicopter approaches Liberty and
requests permission to land. McGonagle refuses. Helicopter departs.
1729: Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis, commander of the Sixth Fleet in the
Mediterranean, protests decision to recall rescue planes to Secretary of
Defense McNamara. At that point President Johnson comes on the phone and says
he didn't care if the ship sunk, he would not embarrass his allies. Admiral Geis
tells Lt. Commander David Lewis, head of the Liberty's NSA group, of the
remark, but asks him not to repeat it until after he dies. It is a promise
Lewis will honor.
1915: Captain McGonagle, wounded and exhausted, dictates first report on
estimated casualties: 10 dead; 15 severely wounded; 75 total wounded;
undetermined missing. His estimates would prove low.
9 June 1967:
After midnight: Soviet guided missile
destroyer sends flashing-light message in English: "Do you need
help?" Liberty responds: "No thank you." Soviets answer: "I
will stand by in case you need me."
0600: USS Navy destroyers Davis and Massey
arrive.
Mid-morning: Dead and wounded are evacuated by helicopter.
1450: Israeli Lt. Col. Michael Bloch telephones Commander Castle that Liberty, because
it was not flying a flag, had been mistaken for the Egyptian supply ship El
Queseir. State Department assures Congress that attack was accidental.
10 June 1967: Vice Admiral McCain orders Rear Admiral Isaac Kidd to convene
Navy Court of Inquiry.
11 June 1967: Admiral Kidd boards Liberty
with small staff to head Navy Court of Inquiry.
14 June 1967: Liberty arrives in Malta. Total
news blackout imposed. Rear Admiral Kidd warns crew: "You are never,
repeat never, to discuss this with anyone, not even your wives. If you do, you
will be court-martialed and will end your lives in prison or worse."
Secretary of Defense McNamara informs media that, "Department of Defense
will have no further comment."
15 June 1967: Secretary of State Dean Rusk
tells NATO ambassadors in Luxembourg that Israel's attack was deliberate. His
remark is reported in European, but not U.S. papers.
18 June 1967: Israeli Court of Inquiry
exonerates Israeli government and all those involved, saying that its torpedo
boats erroneously reported the Liberty's speed at 30 knots instead of 5, and
that the Liberty flew no flag and had no identifying markings. Later, Israel
will honor Motor Torpedo Boat 203, the one that fired the deadly torpedo at the
Liberty, by putting its wheel and bell on display in its naval museum, among
those maritime items of which it is most proud.
July 1967: Shortly after the burial of six
Liberty crewmen in Arlington National Cemetery, a monument is erected
describing the six as having "Died in the Eastern Mediterranean."
Liberty survivors complain that the marking is evasive and improper.
September 1967: State Department legal
adviser Carl Salans finds many discrepancies with the Israeli report. His
report is classified Top Secret.
11 June 1968: Captain McGonagle is awarded
the Congressional Medal of Honor. The Medal, usually presented by the President
of the United States at the White House, is presented by the Secretary of the
Navy during a hastily arranged ceremony at the Washington D.C. Navy Yard.
Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, the Chief of Naval Operations, calls the way the
Medal is presented a back-handed slap. "Everyone else received their medal
at the White House," Moorer will later observe. "President Johnson
must have been concerned about the reaction of the Israeli lobby."
1980: National Security Agency Director
Marshall Carter tells investigative author James Bamford that, regarding the
attack on the Liberty, "There was no other answer than that it was
deliberate."
1981: National Security Agency review,
"Attack on a Sigint Collector, the USS Liberty Incident," rejects the
Israeli Court of Inquiry's "mistake" theory and accuses Israeli
fighter pilots and torpedo boat crewmen and commanders of perjury.
1982: Israeli senior lead pilot approaches
former Congressman Pete McCloskey and admits that he recognized the Liberty as
American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the
American flag and continue his attack. He said he refused to do so and returned
to base, where he was arrested.
6 October 1982: A new headstone for the six
Liberty crew members at Arlington National Cemetery is unveiled. This one
reads: "Killed USS Liberty June 8, 1967."
1986: Lt. Commander Walter H. Jacobsen writes
in Naval Law Review: "To speculate on the motives of an attack group that
uses unmarked planes and deprives helpless survivors of life rafts raises
disturbing possibilities, including the one that the Liberty crew was not meant
to survive the attack..."
6 November 1991: Columnists Evans and Novak
publish interview with Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967, in
which Porter says that during or immediately after the attack on the Liberty
the CIA station chief showed him transcripts of intercepted Israeli messages.
One has Israel ordering the attack on the Liberty, another has an Israeli pilot
replying it's an American ship. When the order to attack is repeated, the pilot
insists he can see the American flag. The pilot is told again: "Attack
it."
8 June 1997: Adm. Thomas H. Moorer, appointed
Chief of Naval Operations shortly after the attack on the Liberty, tells a
reunion of survivors: "I have to conclude that it was Israel's intent to
sink the Liberty and leave as few survivors as possible. Israel knew perfectly
well that the ship was American."
November 1998: Captain McGonagle breaks his
long silence: "After many years I finally believe that the attack was
deliberate. I don't think there has been an adequate investigation of the
incident . . . The flag was flying prior to the attack..." McGonagle will
die four months later, on March 3, 1999.
What does your repeated cut and paste have to do with the subject Sudan????
Ralph,
No one should forget the Liberty.
Israel is a US ally in a one way direction only.
My reply has to do with Israeli attacks of naked aggression, such as the one on the USS Liberty and the one on Sudan.It was a reply to Steven, who is under the illusion that the IDF is some kind of fierce fighting force. In truth, the IDF attacks only the weak and defenseless, such as Sudan, Lebanon and the Palestinians, despite having the worlds best weapons, courtesy of the American taxpayer.
Your post which claims Iran is meddling in South America and Africa are total lies, fabricated by Jews. My ancestory is Scottish, Irish, Polish and Austrian, not Iranian. My posts are to educate Americans, so they will refrain from swallowing the Zionist propaganda pushed in the Jewish controlled media and on forums, such as these. You are a primary source of that Zionist propaganda. The idea that Iranians would go to Argentina to bomb a synagogue is patently ridiculous and totally without an ounce of proof or even a motive. There are plenty of synagogues in Iran, where many Jews happily reside. They wouldn't have to travel to Argentina.
No more wars for Israel.
Ralph...You forgot Nazi in your mix....
Mr. RalphH -
Johnson was maternally descended from a pioneer Baptist clergyman, George Washington Baines, who pastored eight churches in Texas, as well as others in Arkansas and Louisiana. Baines was also the president of Baylor University during the American Civil War. George Baines was the grandfather of Johnson's mother, Rebekah Baines Johnson (1881–1958).
Johnson's grandfather, Samuel Ealy Johnson, Sr., was raised as a Baptist. Subsequently, in his early adulthood, he became a member of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ). In his later years the grandfather became a Christadelphian; Johnson's father also joined the Christadelphian Church toward the end of his life.
[[Please continue your studies.]]
Mario - Perhaps you should continue your studies. Johnson was a Jew. and a Zionist.
Research into
Johnson's personal history indicates that he inherited his concern for the
Jewish people from his family. His aunt Jessie Johnson Hatcher, a major
influence on LBJ, was a member of the Zionist Organization of America. As a
young boy, Lyndon watched his politically active grandfather "Big Sam"
and father "Little Sam" seek clemency for Leo Frank, the Jewish
victim of a blood libel in Atlanta. Frank was lynched by a mob in 1915, and the
Ku Klux Klan in Texas threatened to kill the Johnsons. Johnson's speechwriter
later stated, "Johnson often cited Leo Frank's lynching as the source of
his opposition to both anti-Semitism and isolationism."
Lyndon Johnson’s maternal ancestors, the Huffmans, apparently migrated to
Frederick, Maryland from Germany sometime in the mid-eighteenth century. Later
they moved to Bourbon, Kentucky and eventually settled in Texas in the
mid-to-late nineteenth century.10
According to Jewish law, if a person’s mother is
Jewish, then that person is automatically Jewish, regardless of the father’s
ethnicity or religion. The facts indicate that both of Lyndon Johnson’s
great-grandparents, on the maternal side, were Jewish. These were the
grandparents of Lyndon’s mother, Rebecca Baines.11
Their names were John S. Huffman and Mary Elizabeth Perrin.12
John Huffman’s mother was Suzanne Ament, a common Jewish name. Perrin is also a
common Jewish name.
Huffman and Perrin had a daughter, Ruth Ament Huffman,13
who married Joseph Baines14
and together they had a daughter, Rebekah Baines,15
Lyndon Johnson’s mother. The line of Jewish mothers can be traced back three
generations in Lyndon Johnson’s family tree. There is little doubt that he was
Jewish.
More http://www.jfkmontreal.com/johnson_highlights.htm
All that in a Baptist church every sunday.
RalphH
RalphH,
The USS Arizona is the HIGHEST (sneak attack b4 war; lost more than 1/2 crew). USS Indianapolis was the worst EVER disaster; lost 3/4 of crew, but that's the wartime classification. The USS Franklin would be SECOND (1/3 of her crew killed (700+, 260+ inj, wartime) and the USS STARK had more, also (37 Killed, 21 inj, peacetime with IRAQ. It was investigated, though)
We had many other ships, Cruisers, Destroyers, Subsmarines and more A/C Carriers, during wartime, that were higher in casualties (more deaths) as well.
I know you want to "hate on Israel", but you can take this claim out of your rant, or at least be fair about it. OK? BTW, I'm not Jewish, or even close, but I am a US Navy Vet.
look who it is its RalphH again with anti-jew and anti-American speech. Listen we all know you hate the US and jews and i think many of us are sick of hearing your radical Islamic garbage. If your not positng bs about 911 and the wtc7 building over and over your spewing jew hate..
Those other ships were not attacked by our alleged ally. I posted verbatim what the survivors of the attack wrote for their website. There is no question the Israelkis knew they were attacking a US Naval vessel. The only reason they stopped was because they thought the 6th fleet was coming to the rescue.They didn't know Lyndon Johnson, a closet Jew, had ordered the recue planes back to the carrier.
Lyndon Johnson may have attended a Baptist chuch, but he was Jew, through and through. A Jew would be almost unelectable in Texas, so he hid his true heritage. Look at his actions and see the comments made during the attack on the Liberty.
At that point President Johnson comes on the phone and says
he didn't care if the ship sunk, he would not embarrass his allies. Admiral Geis
tells Lt. Commander David Lewis, head of the Liberty's NSA group, of the
remark, but asks him not to repeat it until after he dies. It is a promise
Lewis will honor.
Here are some links to Israeli websites, citing Johnsons contributions to Israel. How strange that it was a Jew, Jack Ruby, who killed Oswald, before he could offer any testimony. It was a lucky break for Israel that a Jew was at the helm after the assasination. Just a whole bunch of cooincidences. They even had a Jew on the Warren Commision, Arlen Spector, who came up with the single bullet theory. Johnson and JFK hated each other and Johnson knew he would not be on the next ticket. He was JFK's greatest mistake.
http://lennybendavid.com/2008/05/lyndon-johnsons-historical-connection.html
http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/36262/friend-ally-savior-revealing-lbj-s-jewish-ties/
http://lennybendavid.com/2008/05/lyndon-johnsons-historical-connection.html
http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/36262/friend-ally-savior-revealing-lbj-s-jewish-ties/
Every President since 1948 has supported Israel. No exceptions.
You single him out from your own prejudice, not history.
Historical trivia: The Declaration of War on 8 Dec 41, said that ". . . that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by Japan on Sunday, December 7, 1941, a state of war has existed between the United States and the Japanese Empire."
Arizona is a War Casualty.
Hey Mario - I singled out Johnson because he was a Zionist traitor to his country. He hid his Jewishness and betrayed the American people and the sailors who were killed and wounded on the Liberty. You can read his own words. He attended a Baptist Church, only to satisfy the electorate. What a slimeball.
No where in the job description of the President of the US, does it say we should support Israel or any other country.
Our support stems from bribes to our crooked Congressmen and women and support from the evangelical fools in the South. The truth about Israel is rarely ever revealed by the Zionist media. If Americans really knew what has been done to us by Israel and their supporters, support would end in a minute. The attack on the Liberty was covered up for years, showing that my words are tru. If not for the History Channel and the internet, no one would know to this day. I spread the word every chance I get.
Israel is a burden on the US taxpayer, a parasitic nation of war mongers.
Mr. RalphH -
You wrote: "No where in the job description of the President of the US, does it say we should support Israel or any other country."
U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 8
“1: The Congress shall have Power To:”
“3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, . . .”
“18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing
Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.”
Article II, Section 2
“2: He [The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;”
[[This is more than enough authority for the Congress and the President
to deal with any other nation as they see fit.]]
You must be a moron. None of those articles say it is the duty of the president to support a foreign country. Making a treaty is not the same as supporting a country. Try going back to grammar school and concentrate on "reading for comprehension".
We have been supporting the deadbeat nation of Israel since it's inception, but it really went crazy when Johnson came into power. Read below. The US and other nations going along with the formation of Israel is the greatest blunder in history.
http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/36262/friend-ally-savior-revealing-lbj-s-jewish-ties/
http://lennybendavid.com/2008/05/lyndon-johnsons-historical-connection.html
http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/36262/friend-ally-savior-revealing-lbj-s-jewish-ties/
Mr. RalphH -
Stop calling posters here morons, or any other insulting language.
What else can he do?
It's not like he can expect anyone to believe the nonsense he posts, but if he adds enough insults, people might get to destructed to notice that it's nonsense.
If Israel did it, and only two person (probably the security guards) died, Israel air force/intelligent should be congratulated for a well done job with no civilian casualty !!!
If it were the other way around, would you give the Sudanese a big congratulations for a job well done?
I would imagine guards at a munitions factory or any other factory are civilians.
It appears Israel is the only country that indiscriminately bombs another countries assets. Then we have Zionists complaining that Iran puts it's peaceful nuclear program underground, and vilify the Iranians for protecting it.
How is this "indiscriminate"? IF it was an attack and not an accident, then it was a surgical strike and very cleanly performed. And it's absurd to say that Israel is the only country that attacks other countries' assets outside of formal military action. Have you ever heard of North Korea? Or Pakistan? Syria? To say nothing of all the countries that attack other nations through proxy armies such as Islamic militias and rebel groups.
So you don't like Israel, fine. You think they should scale back their militarism, great. But your attempt to make them out to be somehow uniquely evil in their military aggression does in fact make it sound like you have an axe to grind.
Israel is an evil nation. It was founded by terrorists and thieves, who continue to take land from their neighbors. They are nothing but parasites on the American taxpayer.
Their Zionist supporters, led by Paul Wolfowitz and his cabal of Jewish lawyers in the Pentagon, was behnd the Iraq war, which has cost America dearly.
Ah. Okay then. See, up until now I didn't know you were literally an anti-semitic conspiracy theorist that would actually try to label an entire nation's citizens as terrorists. If I knew you were a complete loon rather than an otherwise rational person using impassioned and exaggerated rhetoric to make his point, I wouldn't have bothered saying anything.
My bad.
I wasn't trying to label every Israeli citizen as a terrorist. It is mainly the Israeli leadership and every citizen that votes to support their terrorist apartheid ways.
In a Jerusalem Post article, Israeli citizens recently said they would approve an apartheid government if Israel takes over the West Bank. Actually, Israel already has an apartheid government.
Hey SF, show where I lied. I post only then truth. It may sound like a conspiracy to you, because Zionists do conspire to control our government.
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do
that . .. I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American
pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans
know it."
Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to
Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
If Israel was controlling USA, Bebe wouldn't be getting stood up by Obama like a girl on a date.
isn't mecca to the east? maybe allah is peed off about how the islamic religeon is being used .
It depends on where you are standing (or kneeling).
"Henrich von Dorf
The barbarism and the flounderig of international law displayed by this terrorist state has no bound"
Hello there Henrich...I'll bet your sporting a swastika on your shoulder as well. When you sell munitions to terrorists or terrorist states such as Lebanon, Libya and so on, at some point you piss off the dragon and he burns your as_. Get out your history books from the last 15 years and read up on your buddies from the Sudan. Easy to comment on the web without an ounce of intelligence.
Oh yes Israel received the eighty rockets from the so called Lebanese peacemakers without warning. Your hatred for Jews is pretty obvious
Another fool who equates comment on this attack to jew hating.
My comment referred to a terrorist state, no specific country was mentioned. You are the one that link the terrorist state to israel, not me pal.
So, do tell us, what terrorist state you had in mind?
Could be any state that wishes to do Sudan harm.
No Henrich, you clearly made a reference to THIS terrorist state. And the resulting inference that Israel was involved is plain to see.
And yes Chief, your crooked-cross bet is pretty much on the mark I reckon - Henrich has long shown an anti-Israel bent on this forum. Which is his right I suppose.
Heiny, your comment shows contempt for the truth in order to paint a false picture of Israel. That's not merely being critical, that's outright lying with contempt and the goal of expanding your hate drenched ideology. Anyone who considers Israel a terrorist state has redefined terrorism in order to fit their mantra. Israel uses a uniformed army that doesn't hide their identity, nor do they shoot missiles from apartment buildings or school yards, nor do they consider blowing a pizzerias, school bus, or college campus a victory of spiritual proportions.
But since you're all about definitions, here are some I came up for you: shill, impediment to peace, dipwad, dipstick, Jew bashing troll, Israel bashing autobot, Hate Monger, anonymous message board posting basement dweller, wannabe Nazi internet tough guy. The list, as it pertains to you, goes on.
The difference between you and me is that you are libeling a very real country with sovereign rights and a reputation that is often stained, whereas I am making fun of an anonymous boob who runs to a message board and proceeds to soil his pants, day in and day out.
Henrich is just a person all should ignore. Not sure why so many people waste their time on ill informed, backwards individuals. Just skim through his simple rhetoric, realize him and others like him, are idiots, and move on.
As to the article, I see no problem with a country, in this case Israel, destroying a military target while inflicting very minimal casualties, when that military target is supplying the very enemy you are technically at conflict with. Sudan is supplying Hamas and illegally trafficking arms to a terrorist group. By international law, they are opening themselves to attack.
I would say the same in reciprocal, Turkey and Saudi Arabia are supplying the "rebels" in Syria (AQ and Sunni Nazi extremists) and supporting the over throw of that government. In my eyes, Syria has every right to target those military installations or convoys that supply and traffic those arms. Not saying I agree with the put down of a revolutionary movement that started out as peaceful protests, but that rise has been hijacked by extremists and terror organizations and is no longer a revolt for democratic reform.
Truth hurts.
No amount of intimidation, name calling and personal attack will gag or prevent righteous people from speaking out against injustice and oppression.
Henry Von Diddle right back at yeah!! Go USA!! Go Israel!!
Somebody needs to put an end to the state of Israel. Move over US it looks like we have a new world police who believe as you do that you are above everyone else.
Exactly, US and Israel are part of the same force.
As for putting end to state of Israel, Romans did it once, but it's back now, and this time it's here to stay. Arab states have been trying to put an end to it for 64 years now, if they want to keep trying, all the worse for them.
Why can't that someone be you, Warren? Is it because you can't make it out of your Mommy's basement due to your pants being down around your ankles because 2 minutes before posting your bumper sticker message you were enjoying a 90-sec porno from some free portal? Is that why you can't even spray paint a swastika on the gates of an old age home?
There is nothing more futile than an Israel bashing internet tough guy. Pull your pants up, Champ.
warren - Somebody needs to put an end to the theocratic regime of ayatollahs in Iran. Then Iraq, Afghanistan, pakistan, Qater, Bahrain, Yemen, Israel, Sudan, Lebanon and Mali will be a safer place. You can take your pick and go to live either one of them.
Theocracy is the most dangerous form of government. It makes it easier to dehumanize those of different faiths. But Farideh, Israel is also a theocracy and the same rules must apply to all. The Republican party has been making steps toward a theocratic belief system of government inspite of the so called separation of church and state, and that is very dangerous.
Israel has normal elections, and power is held by civilian politicians accountable to voters, not religious leaders. Just because those leaders are all of one faith, and may pass laws based on that faith, does not automatically make it a theocracy.
The same thing applies to your complaint about Republicans; that they try to pass laws you might see as "Christian" is simply because their ethics are, as expected, shaped by their religion. In order to become a theocracy, religious institutions would have to start actively undermining democratic ones, and I don't see that happening.
Producing weapons is the USA's sugar; if al Qaida buys bombs it better be from us! haha.
Wait a minute, that's not how it works.....the US government buys them and then just gives them away.
Hope many are knowing what is going on in Sudan.
This is one example of Islamic madness.
Followers of Islamic cult, especially Sunni Saudi inspired Islamic radicals and militants (al-Qaida, Salaffi, Wahhabi, MB, Taliban and other label ones), are fast marching backwards to their seventh century desert tribal days.
They are indulging in rapings, lootings, killings and genocides of non-Muslims (Darfur, S. Sudan, Nigeria and spreading like wild fire in many regions and Muslims (Libya, Yemen, Mali, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan and other places).
Muslims of Sudan will destroy whatever is left and then move on to S. Sudan, which is going to be more prosperous.
S. Sudan should immediately kick out all Muslim Trojan horses for Sudanese Muslims and liabilities.
Or else, within two decades S. Sudan will be back to square one and they will not have much places to run even in Sudan.
All the non Muslims states viz, Uganda, Kenya and Ethiopia along with South Sudan should form a military pact to help each other against Muslim invasion. As Jonathan said it will be wise for South Sudan to kick out the Muslims to the North. As soon as Muslims form 30% of the South Sudan population, they will demand a separate state.
It is better for non Muslims to understand the ulterior motives of Muslims. Muslims want to take over the whole world and Islam and Koran demand it.
Jonathan - I don't always agree with you, but this time, you are perfectly on target.
What's Sudan going to attack with?? A herd of camels?? lol
Well, given that it was an arms factory, they must have SOME weapons.
Or at least they did, before the factory exploded.
If Israel really is responsible, then the IDF had a real reason to do it.
It's well-known that Sudan supplies militias with weapons to attack Israel. Attacking an arms factory is a totally legitimate move to try to choke off supplies. And the fact that there were apparently only three casualties also makes it a surprisingly clean operation.
IF Israel did it.
Hey SF accountant - It is well know that the US supplies Israel with bombs to attack it's neigbors, F16s, Apache helicopters and the like. By your reasoning, it would be legitimate for an Arab nation to attack arms manufacturers in the US. Will it be OK if there are only a few casualties?
Would it not be hypocritical to condemn one nation, but not another.
How do you feel about paying for the Iraq war, which was planned and sold by Zionist, neocons, led by Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith, the acknowleged architects of the Iraq war? The final cost estimated by experts, will exceed 3.5 trillion dollars. It is a cost of our friendship with Israel. I personnally, find the cost to be objectionable. Don't you feel a little bit sorry for our soldiers, who lost their lives and limbs, as a result of the lies put forth by those Zionist war mongers, whose only real allegiance is to Israel?
Zionist
warmongers like Ken Adelman and the Zionist Washington Post pushed the war in
an editorial titled, “Cakewalk in Iraq.” Jewish supremacists Richard Perle and
Paul Wolfowitz told you that Iraq would “Welcome us as liberators.” Iraq became
the longest war in American history. Here is a report from USA Today: “Pentagon
officials estimated for the first time Wednesday that up to 360,000 Iraq and
Afghanistan veterans may have suffered traumatic brain injuries.” Now that’s
not counting tens of thousands who have suffered maiming, amputations, or death
in this war based on lies.
Those people, along with the Zionist media, sold the war to our politicians and the American people. Many of us, like me, are now paying closer attention.Others, like you, still have their heads in the sand, iunless you are a Zionist. In that case, its only gentiles getting maimed and killed, not Jews or Israelis. Israelis never fight for America, they just take and take.
"It is well know that the US supplies Israel with bombs to attack it's neigbors, F16s, Apache helicopters and the like. By your reasoning, it would be legitimate for an Arab nation to attack arms manufacturers in the US."
It would at least make more sense than attacking our embassies or World Trade Center. I guess they are a few steps ahead of you.
An act of aggression? Perhaps...if so wouldn't it also be an act of defense as those arms were being smuggled into Gaza for use by Hamas?...an accident? Perhaps...just like the "accidents" targeting Iranian Nuclear Scientists....not losing any sleep on this one...
So called 'forward defence' is an act of war under international law.
ED-2874315,
"So called 'forward defence' is an act of war under international law."
It sounds like you want to be the School Safety Patrol so why don't you go over and explain it to them. Let us know how it turns out.............
News Vine Code: Bubblegum :)
Okay, so call it an act of war.
Sudan would still have to provide plausible evidence that it actually WAS Israel, and I haven't seen that in this article.
If Sudan wants to retaliate, they can retaliate, but it won't end well for them.
Howard,
The point is we should stay out of it.
Ken - Israel has no way of knowing how those weapons would be used. Funny how you claim all the weapons made in Sudan find their way to Hamas, while the majority of Zionists posting on these threads blame everthing on Iran. Which is it?
Oh Ralph, Zinger!!! Wow, you got Ken backpeddling, OK it was Iran, no Sudan, No Ralphdan, wait I will compose a list, Loooooooooooooooooooooooong List Ralphndan, Henry Von Diddledan......
I guess RaplH can not imagine Hamas using weapons form more than one country. Counting to 2 must be too difficult for him.
Israel is like a piece of parasitic filth. They thrive on criminality. American people who support this filth are traitors to America. This parasitic zionist filth is infiltrating every part of American life now, remember they are the filth. From the time I was little, yes the saying is true nothing more filthy than a .
Absolute nonsense...
Absolute truth.....
As my supposition elsewhere on this page shows, you're entitled to your views Henrich.
I must confess though that your carte blanche endorsement of the complete rubbish posted by usafirst makes me uncertain about what could possibly be keeping your ears apart.
Doesn't really matter how or why it blew up it is no loss that the world can't live with.
I have been posting here about Sudan for the past six months that has been a hotbed of activities by Iranians smuggling arms into Sudan, and the recent radical muslims attacking and killing christians to the south. Those arms are meant for empowering the muslims to take over Sudan from the christian population, and for smuggling weapons into Gaza. The Iranian Quds forces and Hezbollah are in Sudan and have been there for over a year.
If Israel has bombed their arms factory, then they know something we have not been paying attention to. World problems will be solved when we get rid of the murderous ayatollahs regime in Iran.
"Sudan reserves the right to strike back at Israel"
Go for it....I dare you...
duh...the planes came in from the direction of Isreal...so duh...they have to be Isreali....duh...no other..duh..what was I saying? PROVE IT. And when you do, go ahead and retaliate....dare ya!
Do you hear Israel denying it ??? NO, because they did it pure and simple.
Israel did not confirm or deny it. They do that all the time, unless they specifically want people to know they did it.
Why? Well, if they denied everything they didn't do but stayed mum the rest of the time, then everyone would know that no denial means they're at fault. If Israel never denies anything, that creates real doubt and skepticism when they're blamed for things.
Israel's defense minister declined to comment. I just bet they did. War mongering Israel just can't do anything right. Trouble is there middle name.
Actually, if this one was done by Israel (and that's still a big IF), it looks done right: weapons destroyed, no casualties, no evidence. That's how things should be done.
Kinda makes sense that a missile was laying on the ground at a weapons factory. Doesn't necessarily mean that it was bombed by Israel now does it?
if i am correct Israel was the main provider of weapons to the ANC rebels in South Africa! now they don't want blacks migrating to Israel!
Ron...
If you read the bible (Hebrew Bible ie Israel's HISTORY) then you would know that Moses MARRIED a BLACK woman. So..what's your point again???
Stupid people just run off with the mouth...and ron..your a stupid person...
Ronald - isn't it funny how Jews in America are in the vanguard of promoting immigration to America, yet in Israel, they want racial and religious purity? The Ethiopean Jews are not wanted. In America, Jews are behind all sorts of social programs for the downtrodden, but in Israel they kick out the minorities and treat them like dogs.
There is plenty of Ethiopian Jews in Israel, met a few personally when I was there, they are treated with the same respect as everyone else.
DON'T worry, Israel has our back and some nucs so... atleast someone has grown a pair...
Israel have the right to strike Sudan , the Israeli's claimed Sudan building a Nuclear Camel , and I believe them , they have the right to go after any country they want to , just ask our Honorable senators and off course Hillary , Her son in law people , sorry God chosen people can bomb any body , or any people , after all listening to their highest Rabbi , God put other races on earth to serve the JEWS . read up on that one please .
oh come on...the Hebrew people WERE slaves. There are buildings in Egypt that are made WITHOUT STRAW even just as told in their History - (the bible)
Indentured Servants are more than slaves...so please quit with the demonizing of the Jews you anti-Semite.
So after the hate is looked after what is you point?
Still no imperical evidence for the whole exodus story, sorry. Keep digging.
ED -- read the Howard Blum Book "The Gold of Exodus" pretty much imperical evidence for the exodus story.
Good for Israel..pawn of the U.S., they do the small jobs to assure the big one.
Most of all problems in the world began with Iran attacking our embassy in 1979. It was followed by disrespect for the mighty US, attack on our barracks in Lebanon and it detriorated from there. Iran has been meddling in ME and Africa for three decades now. They have been smuggling arms to Sudan for the past year for two reasons:
1) Enabling the radical muslims in Sudan to kill christians and take over the country (another "arab spring"),
2) And creating another route for smuggling arms to Gaza.
When we git rid of the Iranian murderous regime, we will get rid of most of the world's problems.
Nuc them??
No nucs. Just get rid of the regime, by any means, not the people or the country.
And the religious nutcases that prop up that regime...
I'm no big fan of Israel, but if you play with fire, you're bound to get burned.
So boo hoo.
You supply arms to a group hell-bound in word and deed to wipe a country and its people off the face of the Earth, then you get what you deserve.
No one is going to cry for you.