How many per customer?

I'll take two, please.

So Assange believes in the rights of those that supported the murder 3000 innocent Americans. Meanwhile these inhabitants of Gitmo were given freedom of religion rights and better food than their guards. KSM looks pretty good after living their for years and "surviving" 180 waterboard sessions. They kill when someone destroys their book of peace, the kill women and children in the name of the "G-d" they have hijacked.

I believe in human rights for HUMANS, but not for the animals that were captured and held in Gitmo. Unfortunately some may have been innocent. Hopefully those will not suffer, but screw the rest of them.

The person that "leaked" the information, if found, should be charged with treason and spent no less than their natural life behind bars. If Assange and his group knowingly published the material, they should have adjoining cells. The names of those involved should be made public so U.S. Citizens are aware of the traitor's location.

i dont agree that giving out information as to how our government questions its prisonr of war should be put out for the enemy to take advantage of. our enemy treats us (its captives) of war with beheadings and other forms of execution that fall into a very painful death, and has been documented.

i also believe, in more cases than not, if our governemnt were to use such methods, it would be for a greater of the good. how can i say that about another human being? look at the enemy. they wouldnt kill you in your sleep. they would gather you and your family and make each of you watch as 1 by one dies, by any means possible to forsake everything as it happens before your eyes.

look what the brotherhood did to the government officials who ran states and cities under Ghadaffi's rule that surrendured, and wanted nothing to do with what was going on... executed. the civilians, and others who surrendured, hands bound... executed. all this was in the news, on MSN here...

call things as you want to... but there is trouble brewing. i dont think it will matter who wins the oval office. Syria, should be left to its own war. it is too late for our country to do anything that good will come of in the long run. pakistan can waltz all over us, because our government is afraid nukes might fall into the wrong hands... for shame. put the cash cow into check once, let the paki's sweat. if they want to live, they will fight to keep power, or change the way they operate, cause they dont want to lose that standing, free elections or what ever. in the meantime, pick it up a notch. want $, start dismantleing some of those nukes.

i'd say crank up sanctions on iran, and set a time limit. personal time limit, and provide cooperation to build a state of the art clean reactor that nobody can complain about, sabotage, and anything else they can toss without putting feet on iranian soil at them. bush, and nobama both should have been right on top of sanctions. nope.. bush saw retirement, and nobama started for the next campain reelection.

we need a president who can focus on his job, not the next photo-op, and not make poor rash choices, and force more government down our throat, when we cant afford the one we have now. domestic policy should be number 1 on any presidents list. the government does not create jobs. it spends more taxpayer money, to keep union members off the streets, and helping themselves to what other people worked just as hard to get, if not HARDER, because they feel entitled. not EVERY union member is like this, but they sure showed true colors many times.

You really need to listen to yourself Lar-345817. "I believe in human rights for humans but not for the animals that were captured and held in Gitmo." There is no half-pregnat when it comes to rights. Either believe in human rights or you don't. There is no grey area when it comes to rights. If you think that only certain people that you or anyone decide are deserving of rights and there is a group or certain individuals that deserve less or no rights at all then you are no different that the ones who flew planes into a building on 9/11. Why? Because you are thinking just like the terrorists when you say that there are some who do not deserve rights compared to others.

Well said Joe. Lar puts himself on the same level as those he belittles, while vilifying those imprisoned without any knowledge of their innocence or guilt.

It's that kind of thinking which is destroying the sanctity of what made our country different from the rest and its greatness.

If one more "intelligent" person says "derrrrrr, he should be jailed for treason", when he isn't from our country and isn't acting in a manner treasonist to his own nation of origin, I'm going to puke.

Understand this, dumbies:

You cannot commit treason against a foreign nation! The USA is foreign to Assange!

I love how the very people who can see the government can't do anything right all of sudden think they're geniuses and Saints in foreign policy.

Face it, we're torturing and kidnapping people, and not giving them INDIVIDUAL NATURAL RIGHTS to due process, trial, search and seizure, etc....all of which our Founders TOTALLY SPECIFICALLY SAID were to apply to ALL HUMANS, criminal, war, or not. The "original intent" crowd sure abandon that principle the moment it's inconvenient to hating brown people or people who wish to immigrate here or are of another religion.

As a libertarian, BTW, I'd point out that Assange, like myself, is an anarchist. Not all libertarians are anarchists...but the two of us are. We swear no allegience to any government, and deny that IMPLICIT consent to a social contract (or any contract) can legitimately exist while we EXPLICITLY refuse to agree to it. In short, we didn't sign anything of our own free will, so we're not subject to your statutory laws...all aggressions against us on the pretext that we "implicitly agreed" (while explicitly notr agreeing) are tyranny...plain and simple.

So clearly, ethically, Assange is being a "patriot"...a word that finds its roots in Greek...it meant "love of fellow countrymen", not "love of government". We love people, not governments. All governments are at LEAST a "necessary evil", at worst a completely unnecessary tyranny of extortion (tax) and murder (wars of aggression). But at LEAST it is EVIL. There is no special exception (not even in "American Exceptionalism") that makes our government non-evil. ALL GOVERNMENT IS EVIL...the only question is whether it is necessary or not.

And how much money has the state spent on making itself less or not necessary?

We have a systrem here, a religion to many of you, in which the state is god and it is beyond exposing and questioning. You like evil, logically, or you'd question and expose the state, if you could too. You wouldn't cheerlead state murder, kidnapping (prison for nonviolent people), and extortion (tax)...you'd be against it.

There is a name for those who are brainwashed into this cult of the state: STATISTS. They are anti-patriots who think of themselves as "patriots"...but in reality they are NATIONALISTS. Nothing thwarts true patriotism like nationalism. Nationalism leads to statism...the mental disorders are inseparable...hence, "nation-state".

The point is this:

Assange can't be treasonist when he isn't from here...and he definately can't be treasonist if what he is exposing is an evil being perpetrated by the government against people. The people in question must be shown by a fair trial to be guilty...or they must be released. But the government tells sheep these people are guilty, while simultaneously refusing to prove it in court as they should and are MANDATED to in the Constitution. The PATRIOT Act was a law, not an Amendment...you can't overrule the Constitution with a law...it requires Amendments. But the government has made a habit of ignoring the very piece of paper we're told restrains it.

And look who it is that support this trampling of the Constitution and that which predate it....individual natural rights. For a group who think Rights come from God, you sure seem to think the government can take them away. Perhaps you need to look up the Enlightenment and Natural Law and Rights Theory...because government CANNOT legitimately take away rights, nor can it create them. But the very crowd who believe God gave them Rights deny that fact, logically, the moment they cheerlead for GITMO policies.

Because they, like the other side on other issues, are hypocrites.

This is why I'm libertarian...I like to be consistent. "Left" and "right" are false choices in a hypocritical two-dimensional false paradigm. It doesn't fit a consistent and three-dimensional reality.

If you don't support Wikileaks you're an anti-patriot. You stand against individual natural rights. You ahistorically and illogically (not to mention immorally) define individual natural rights as "American rights". There are no such things as border-specific rights. Governments don't gift you your rights! Look up the word "unalienable" or the alternative spelling "inalienable"....they were two ways to spell the same thing:

Rights that are not separable from the person...rights not subject to borders or statutory laws. That means no right can be taken away from anyone who has not through due process and fair trial been deemed someone who has abused those rights in order to limit the rights of others. It means no border can take away or grant rights. It means no law that takes rights away are legitimate laws morally, and must be resisted. It means there is no magical birth lottery where you get born by luck into a country where you get given rights by your government, and there is no birth lottery where you lose and are born in a country that does not grant you rights.

You have rights by the fact you are human being...whether you believe yourself Created or just evolved. Government can ONLY aggress against those rights. It might slightly expand some rights while shrinking others, but it's always a net loss.

Example:

1. Government makes it legal to enslave people for generations until the social more is that of a mass psychosis (racism).
2. Then they free the slaves and call themselves heroes.

See...they give you a disease, then cure it so they can PLAY hero. This is what you're falling for.

How can we read these papers?

"Government Transparency" is a joke. We should all loudly boo when anyone says it exists. If you believe secrets are precious and necessary and leaks are the work of the devil, then you are part of the problem.

i love the way the article quite calmly states who master-minded 9/11 when there are hundreds of problems with that event, most of which point to a false flag. Incredible but it wouldn't be the first, think Lusitania and Tonkin, both now officially acknowledged to have been tactics to push US into war, the first an arranged disaster, the second, fabricated. Heck, even Australia warned the president about Japanese planes headed for Pearl Harbor in plenty of time to evacuate the area but was ignored.

We should all make every effort to understand who and how much certain groups make massive profit from war. After hours of research, I've become pretty convinced.

JULEA BACALL: Just go to Wikileaks.org

Joe Debi and Arterian

I would expect the kind of responses you posted from someone who has not ever met one of these terrorists, been to Gitmo, smoked a cigar with a guard, or seen someone killed in front of you from their actions. My experiences are different than yours.

Joe19981980 Your Answer does not hold water.
You might try taking it to a whole new level.
[You really need to listen to yourself Lar-345817. "I believe in human rights for humans but not for the animals that were captured and held in Gitmo.] First off your telling me that you consider the perpetrators and their planners are animals not human. I didn't know there are two orders of humans, and human animals, I would have figured they are either humans or animals you can't be both.
you even stated that there were only animals that were being held in "Gitmo" you are confusing me more and more, which is it? If they are animals then how could they declare war on the United States and even destroyed two of our buildings on our own soil. I would say that they declared war on the United States and all the countries that had representatives in those buildings wouldn't you agree? Now I come to the point that I understood that only counties can declare war on other countries NOT TRUE? or TRUE? then we must have countries locked up in "Gitmo" which from what I understand these countries in "Gitmo" love to throw acid in the faces of people they deem unworthy of having a mar-free face and eyes. Please enlighten me on what we have in Guantanamo Bay

" There is no half-pregnant when it comes to rights. Either believe in human rights or you don't. There is no grey area when it comes to rights. If you think that only certain people that you or anyone decide are deserving of rights and there is a group or certain individuals that deserve less or no rights at all then you are no different that the ones who flew planes into a building on 9/11. Why? Because you are thinking just like the terrorists when you say that there are some who do not deserve rights compared to others.”
Now this whole section it totally contradictory to you first statement that we are back to Humans and Human Animals you’re a total ball of confusions and contradictions. Please enlighten us some more.

Oh and btw try using spell checker it works

Lar:

I would expect the kind of responses you posted from someone who has not ever met one of these terrorists, been to Gitmo, smoked a cigar with a guard, or seen someone killed in front of you from their actions. My experiences are different than yours.

And you don't see your outlook as somewhat jaded in a negative way? If we, as a country, based our demeanor and policy on the actions of a few dishonorable people in this world, wouldn't we be just like them?

Personally, I choose not to hang in those gutters.

Brit in the pit:

Always, follow the money.

Debi,

Well said on post 1.9

Amazing isn't it: yet anyone who states anything against the Kenyan god king: is arrested, or their home invaded or they are fired or other things happen... So who would benefit as the destraction? The power is there...our electric can be shut off at anytime---and most recently it has been a routine test to see if we will put up with it...and a lot of other things like HS students being forced in Texas to have Micochip Implants; and the Spanish aka Muslims have purchased a major road for TOLL ROAD...what a governator just as weak, and affraid of NWO as Arnold the fornicator...with a Mexican wh ugly, too. What role models...I would rather have a cock roach as a role model at least they are not on corp or public welfare: and clean up after filthy 2 leggeds! Our nation has come to its finale...either get up and push the EVIL out or get shoved over a cliff...its here. The Futurre is NOW... 47% do nothings.
How many have VOTED?
How many on-line can VOTE?
How many VOTEinformed: if you pull the lever--stay at home or go to Las Vegas: cut your own throat not mine!
IGNORANCE kills...and we are here and now...

Assange was a hacker-activist in his youth, before becoming a computer programmer and then becoming internationally known for his work with WikiLeaks. He has lived in several countries and has made public appearances in many parts of the world to speak about freedom of the press, censorship, and investigative journalism. While in England on bail, Assange hosted a political talk show called The World Tomorrow, which was broadcast in 2012. He has received numerous awards and nominations, including the 2009 Amnesty International Media Award, Readers' Choice for Time magazine's 2010 Person of the Year, the 2011 Sydney Peace Foundation gold medal and the 2011 Martha Gellhorn Prize for Journalism. Hardly sounds like the works of a Terrorist Or of a enemy of the U.S.A. Although that is what the State Department has him listed as.

The U.S. Government actively hates and hunts down the ones who expose them for what they really are. That's why they want Assange and the whistleblowers so badly.

You forgot the part where he endangered US lives. If you're going to tout the Party line... please try to get it all in.

Quite convenient the charges came up after the leaked video of our helo pilots killing off those Al Jazeera news men and other "embarassing" documents. He is not exactly "hiding out" in an embassy when everyone knows where he is. I think I would not leave an embassy either if I knew I would most likely be dead soon after leaving or simply rot away in some prison.

What people now call "treason" in news reporting used to be called investigative journalism.

Wikileaks has been "back online" for quite awhile.

@ Yearning,

You forgot the part where the US endangered the lives of innocent people.

@ Bart Martin

Yet is was perfectly okay for the US to bomb Laos and Cambodia even though you guys denied it? 9/11 was a tragedy but one shouldn't point fingers too soon. Why is it always perfectly alright for the US be the aggressor?

Wish I had known about wikileaks being back. I wonder who is hosting it. Wouldn't surprise me if it was owned by The Party these days.

If they had the power to shut it down in the first place, it can only be running again with The Party's ok.

Well, just to be clear, Julian Assange never published anything remotely threatening to anyone, especially US troops. That was just The Party doing their propaganda thing.

I think the most damaging thing he had, was probably the list of US citizens with secret Swiss bank accounts. Now THAT will get you killed in a moment.

Assange: "Beam me up, Scotty!!"

I can't access Wikileaks. It says something about being hosted by Cloudflare but won't let me in. It is Censored from me. I ever thought I would see the day that something be truely and seriously CENSORED from us American People. Why? we aren't the "enemy"....there is nothing in Wikileaks (which I used to follow) that would Endanger Anyone Anywhere. I used to read them all. All it did was make US look Ghoulish, hypocritical and showed crooked bank accounts.

uh no... of course not ;-)

I mean that thing where Hilary and Obama gave out the press release that the US government was going to warn everybody who might be on a leaked leak that they might be leaked...and the big government conservatives took it from there.

It was awesome! People are STILL calling for Assange's death as a traitor..and to this day, his name is still an error on NBC... Hitler is spelled right... no red line there...Assange however, is an error.

JMarine0811, I am just curious about something. Were you in fact a U.S. Marine? If so, when and where did you serve. Have you in fact ever been in a combat zone? Your comments seem to suggest that the answer is no to all of the above. If I am wrong, then please accept my apologies in advance. I ask only because I find your comments somewhat disturbing and a little insulting to myself those that are in fact serving, wherever they may be as well as those that have served in the past and also for those that have made the ultimate sacrifice.

If you talk about honor, freedom, and justice, yet rarely conform to those ideals behind the scenes, you are a hypocrite. You served a nation of hypocrites and bloodthirsty, self-aggrandizing jackals.

JasonH, sounds like you would not know the difference either way!

I know someone who was in the Navy and went though the training for torture in Southern CA. Since he is an intelligent guy he is now a VET Against GITMO and goes to every Protest he can. What it does to the Americans performing these acts is so damaging and dehumanizing that they are beyond all repair. He saw it destroying US. He felt it, he CONDEMS! I condem it and any country which does it.

JULEA, different people see things and handle them differently. During my 20 year Naval career. I went to the same school at Warner Springs, CA before being deployed to Vietnam. The school is was known as SERE school. I also went to similar jungle survival training at Cubi Point Naval Air Station in the Philippines. It was designed to teach survival skills to downed aircrew and how to evade capture and what to expect if that happened. It was a very intense and realistic experience on what one could expect from Communist/North Vietnamese interrogators. It was designed to instruct and to be dehumanizing at the same time. One was tortured and interrogated by personnel wearing Russian and North Vietnamese uniforms and speaking fluent Russian and Vietnamese. Unless you have been through this training, you have no frame of reference to judge others. At the current time I disagree with unrestricted torture but not some forms of forceful interrogation, and believe there is a difference. I proudly served my country honorably for 20 years during two wars and I have no regrets for anything I did.

As a former 15 year member of the USAF Intelligence world, Bradley Manning and Julian Assange can both got rot in the depths of a Gitmo cell for all I care.

I don't give a rat's ass what branch of the military you served in. If you're for the indefinite detention of any human being without a trial or evidence of wrong doing, then you can kiss my freedom-loving ass.

Oh, you thought I was just going to do the blind military worship routine like most of the idiots do in this country? Nah, I don't tread that line.

Those who fail to appreciate what the average military person does and the sacrifices made on a daily basis in defense of their country are the idiots! The great majority of the military have nothing to do with the detention of prisoners. Many are just trying to do their jobs the best they can, stay alive if they are in a war zone, and get back safely to their families and loved ones.

You didn't defend our country in any way by fighting in and losing the war in VietNam. Torture training is not torture. You know that it is going to end, with you still being alive and relatively unharmed, before it even starts. Watch George Tenet lie to Scott Pelley of CBS about US employment of torture. He just keeps repeating the lie. He's not even man enough to simply say that when we do it to our prisoners, it isn't torture because we think that we are the only people righteous enough to do it to others and therefore it can't be called torture, unless the exact same things are done to us by the unrighteous and then it is a war crime. Hypocrites and liars.

Paul, I am going to assume that you are referring to my post above. First off, I never stated that I fought in Vietnam although I was there. Secondly, I never stated that training is torture. The training was designed to provide an example of what we could expect from the enemy if they captured us. I am going to assume that you yourself most likely have never served yourself, or you would have an idea of what I am saying. I will state once more that I am against torture for the sake of torture whether it be for military necessity or otherwise. I have never condoned, practiced, nor participated in it. And just for your info, I was a U.S. Navy Hospital Corpsman for 20 years! I flew as medical aircrew on medevac helicopters at the tail end of Vietnam. My fighting in that terrible war was a fight to save lives! I was the guy in the back of the bird trying hard to keep the shattered forms of humanity alive long enough to reach proper medical facilities. Most made it and some did not. I took an oath to preserve life, not take it. I take that oath just as seriously to this day as I did the day I took it those many years ago. If you wish to consider me a hypocrite and a liar please go right ahead. I am quite proud of my service and have no regrets except for those I could not save.

Paul, there is one more thing I forgot to mention above that that is just as true today as it was in Vietnam. All the fancy patriotic Mom's apple pie does not mean a thing to someone in the middle of a firefight. In war, all that goes out the window and you realize that you are fighting to protect only your brothers and sisters and you to keep each other alive. Ask any Vietnam vet like me and they will sure tell you the same. Have a good day

Your friends were shot and killed in Vietnam for nothing. Old men and theorists sent them over there on a theory - the half-witted domino theory. The loss of human life is insulting to me because they didn't die defending their country. It's a ridiculous notion lacking any logic. Defending the American way of life against North Vietnamese aggression? Spare me. Forget this romanticized American soldier garbage. Why anyone would ever say, "my country, right or wrong" and skip off to kill another nationality defies all logic.

What you should be mad about is that old men are still sending young men to die under false pretenses just like they have for centuries. What you should be mad about is that we haven't evolved that much and we cloak the dead in romantic John Wayne bs that can never glorify the senseless loss of human life. Instead, you're still defending America in your head. Old soldiers never die, they just fade away.

Jason, sorry you feel that way and I pity you in your ignorance. You did not read or comprehend a word I said did you? War is hell! Deal with it. It is useless to explaining the concepts of honor and/or duty to someone like you who, as I said above, do not comprehend the difference either way. There will always be people with the courage and strength of character to serve. Unlike children like you, who would never even consider having the cajones to do so. Enjoy your leftist liberal generated fantasy world while you can.

And now we are killing our own citizens, civilians, under false pretenses, and blaming it on "radical muslims". 9/11/2001 was a false flag attack and an inside job planned for years by Dick Cheney and Dov Zakheim. The planes were flown remotely as part of a "drill" during Vigilant Guardian.

Honor is saying I will not fight in an unjust war. I will not take another's life because politicians tell me you are
my enemy. The child here is the person who believe that honor and/or duty have anything to do with what
Vietnam was about. The fantasy here is that your service protected American freedom in any measurable way.
You, sir, are the child because you can broker no other point of view and your anger, or resentment, is so
wildly misdirected that it staggers the imagination.

Anyone who has to counter a discussion with condescension, criticism, and resorts to petty name calling is a sign of immaturity, a weak mind, and obviously is obviously on the losing end of an argument/discussion. Come talk to me when you can grow up and act like an adult. Then you may be able to talk man to man. You are not even close to my level. I have nothing further to say to you. In the words of the immortal W.C. Fields, "Go away boy, you bother me!"

You're the one who is weak minded. You allowed yourself to be indoctrinated into the MIC brainwash.

I was not responding to you and actually considered your initial response almost reasonable. My comments were directed at Jason, however if you feel that way, you proved my point anyway. Obviously, just as Jason, you failed to read all my posts above. I suggest you carefully reread them for comprehension. If you still don't get it, then I have nothing to say to you either!

It doesn't make a lot of sense for you to keep coming back to this discussion board and then say that you don't want to have a discussion while you post a non-responsive comment. More evidence of your having been brainwashed by the MIC. You can't bring yourself to question all the lies you were told to get you to "serve" your corporate masters, instead of your country.

I love it when I piss some people off by not stooping to their infantile levels. Bye bye.

Keep lying to yourself. You're not fooling me, but you are clearly fooling you. Sad, really.

"Jason, sorry you feel that way and I pity you in your ignorance."

"There will always be people with the courage and strength of character to serve. Unlike children like you, who would never even consider having the cajones to do so."

and then this:

"Anyone who has to counter a discussion with condescension, criticism, and resorts to petty name calling is a sign of immaturity, a weak mind, and obviously is obviously on the losing end of an argument/discussion."

Not only are you completely oblivious to anything I'm saying, you're likewise completely oblivious to the countless contradictions and asinine crap spewing from your own mouth. Who called names first, GI Joe? Go fight another war - you're losing this one, badly.

I refer you to post #7.18 above as well. Have a nice evening and Goodbye to you as well!

JasonH: The NavDoc is clearly brainwashed into the 'fraternity" of the military industrial complex. He can't overcome his programming. He has devoted too much of his life to "serving" them while erroneously believing that he must be serving his country. He can't contemplate that he has been hoodwinked and used. Goodbye to independent thinking, is what he has been saying goodbye to his whole adult life, and most of today.

I just don't get how you can rake someone over the coals for taking the argument into the gutter with insults when you are the guy who started taking the potshots to begin with.

There are some people who watched every war movie, grew up with vets for dads, tear up at every Lee Greenwood song, and just believe that the United States is the greatest country ever. It's an attitude that has the Bible behind it - somehow Americans are "God's chosen people". Gives me a headache thinking about it. If anyone tells me they're God's chosen anything, I'd cock an eyebrow and wonder what medication they should be on.

It's an essentially juvenile attitude that serves as justification for murder. Our "enemies" treat their captives badly - it's evil, amoral, contrary to freedom. When we do the same, it's in the name of freedom. There's no contradiction in this for people like Ed - America is on the side of all that is good and holy, so we do such things in the name of a greater good. Other, lesser, countries? Nah, they're evil.

American exceptionalism is exceptional in one regard - it's an exceptionally destructive concept designed to elevate a nation to a pedestal it does not deserve.

For guys like Ed, the billboards, patriotic songs, and chest-beating flag saluting garbage are enough. America doesn't have to actually match its actions to its words. Pretty talk is pretty talk and kicking ass is kicking ass. Everybody knows it's a mean old world out there and thank heavens the world has a wise nation like us around to dispense justice.

You and Paul do not seem to get a lot of things I tried to point out, so I may have just not been clear enough. Your obvious intense dislike of the U.S. military in any form may be clouding your perceptions a bit. I admit that I made a mistake above about the childish comments and for that I do apologise. I should not have allowed it degenerate to the level it did. I am man enough to admit my mistakes. I am sorry that my being proud of my service upsets you so. I do happen to take it too seriously sometimes. That is just me. I am of a different and older generation and see things differently. I am allowed to voice my opinions just the same as you are. How about we just agree to disagree and let it go at that?

We "get" what you are saying, and we recognize it for what it is; Group think programming. Pride goeth before the fall..................

If you were ordered to keep your mouth shut about a False Flag attack by American military upon American civilian citizens you would "proudly" do so. You are a proud tool of the NWO.

Paul, seeing as how my comments were directed to somebody else and not you, now I will say something negative for sure. You obviously have some some serious emotional issues and need to seek help immediately. I have tried, for the most part, to be polite but that is just not possible with you! Go choke on your anger, hatred, and conspiracy theories, but be be careful they do not consume you someday! You are right . I am absolutely proud of things I have done and I hope that sticks in your craw and stirs up the bile! You cannot and will never be my equal at anything. You obviously are not man enough. Chew on that little man while you go crawl back into your hole!

This is a comment blog, dimwit. Everybody gets to take part in the discussion. That's the point of being here.

It is not a conspiracy to say that the attack on 9/11/2001 was an event in which the decisions of your precious Military Industrial Complex played an emormous role in its success in killing the 2979 American civilians. Every military commander who "dropped the ball" on that day got a Promotion for his failure.

It is also a FACT that the mass murder of those civilians has yet to be properly investigated by any investigative body with the requisite subpoena, witness protection, and security clearance powers necessary to overcome the obstacles to arriving at the truth presented by the classification of information by your precious Military Industrial Intelligence & Congressional Complex.

Nothing you've done sticks in my craw, nor garners my admiration. You're a bug on my windshield.

You and John "Songbird" McCain simply disgust me. Both arrogant tools, that you are.

I would have to go backward in life to be your equal. I surpassed you long ago, little old man.

Paul, I am laughing my head off at your inane and infantile responses. Is that the best you can do? Come on! A battle of wits with you is like fighting an unarmed opponent. You really are one sick puppy. If I disgust you, then good! That makes my day so much better. By the way, it's better to be an arrogant tool than an arrogant fool such as yourself. I have more intelligent people to converse with than someone like you so I will be going now. And one more thing, this 58 year old little old man runs marathons for charities, bench presses 250, has an undergraduate degree in World History, am an expert shot with a 9mm and a 8mm Mauser rifle. I'll take you on any time any where little boy and leave you crying for your momma! I would say have a nice night but I reserve that for people I respect! As the saying goes, Don't go away mad, just go away. Preferrably to another country, as you seem to hate this one so much!

So you admit that you are an arrogant tool, you're just unaware that you are also a fool. So you will take me on anytime or anywhere will you? I will happily meet you for a physical battle, if you think that will settle anything in your favor, on the conclusion date of the first REAL 9/11/2001 attack investigation, at the base of the Washington monument in DC. I do suspect though, by that time your own head will have likely exploded. Bitch!

I don't hate my country. I hate what tools and fools like you are willing to turn it into, and the criminal means you employ to do so.

250? Word of warning tough guy. You're gonna need to spend more time in the gym and do something about your low testosterone if you have any hopes of prevailing against me.

Aaaahhh, sounds like somebody is really getting angry! Resorting to profanity now? And implied threats as well. Hmmm. I think you need to go back on your meds and are overdue for your shrink appointment as well. You just keep me laughing dude! And by the way, did I admit to being an arrogant tool above? Read again. I think not. I think you are on borrowed time with the moderator so you may as well quit now while you are behind. Night night.

I'll see your cowardly ass when the first REAL investigation of 9/11/2001 is concluded then, good.

And please explain how it is is you think you will see me and what is it you think you can do to me? And what REAL investigation would that be, other than the one in your twisted imagination that is? God, if anything you're good for a laugh or two! Like I said above, go take your medications!

You said that we would get to meet, ie. "see" each other, at the time and place of my choosing, dimwit.

Read comment #7.28 as many times as it takes for you to understand what we are talking about.

#7.28? You better check again. Does not say anything other than your now usual inane conspiracy comments. You cannot even get your own posts straight. You are one sad and pathetic individual. Oh, and by the way, my testosterone levels are just fine thank you.

In comment #7.33 you asked me two questions. I answered both of them in comment #7.34. You're fairly obtuse.

Stating that the mass murder of 2979 Americans on American soil has yet to be properly investigated is simply borne out by the facts. Without subpoena power, witness protection power, and the security clearances required to hear classified testimony, no investigation of 9/11/2001 ever had any hope of finding or reporting the truth about the "EVENT". LIE to yourselves about that all you want, but we will let you know that it doesn't make you a patriot of the United States to do so, it makes you an accessory after the fact to the mass murder of your fellow citizens.

Glad to hear that you're "fine" with your low testosterone levels, but I think it is evidently effecting your reading comprehension skills adversly.

Well, I tell you what. You come find me whenever you think you are ready and think I can or should be prosecuted as a so called accessory. I'll be waiting for you, but keep or start taking medications for your delusions regarding your conspiracy theories. You are no longer amusing and have in fact become boorish and an incredible bore. Goodbye.

It is NOT a THEORY that the so called investigations of 9/11/2001 didn't have subpoena power, didn't have witness protection power, and weren't allowed the security clearances required to hear classified information from NSA, CIA, DIA, etc.

If you claim to truly believe that 9/11/2001 was ever properly investigated, you are either an ignorant, an idiot, or both, or a LIAR.

Now I do know that many of you sheeple in the military believe that it is an honorable thing to do, LIE when you are ordered to do so. But that doesn't really apply when the military has screwwed something up so badly, through dereliction of duty, negligence or worse, that it gets American civilians killed on American soil. In those special circumstances, where the military industrial intelligence complex has failed us so miserably, hiding behind classification and prevarication should be, and will be, illegal in and of itself.

Why do I need to find you? Are you already bailing out of our agreed upon meeting tough guy?

You mean the meeting where my head would explode? And such a supposition is based on the conclusion of an investigation that has already happened. Besides, with my training, background, and resources, I would most likely find you before you ever even sighted me. Therefore, you find me if you can or dare. You don't have the guts either way. I'll meet you at the front gate of the Chiricauha National Monument in the corner of SE Arizona on the AZ/New Mexico border on the day you dream of happening! Better yet, as I am a fair and considerate guy, I'll give you until three days after just to allow for travel time to get there.

Paul, one more thing. I had been retired from the military for 8 years already when 9/11 occurred. So tell me oh great and all knowing genius, how could I have been ordered by anyone to allegedly keep my my mouth shut and lie? Figure that one out if you can. I really do wonder what it was that made you hate the military so much. Could not build up the cajones to enlist? The military rejected you? Or did you get your ass kicked out for being the misfit loser that you are? Any one of the previous is possible, although I'll go with the first reason!

Why do you keep returning to a discussion that you can't, apparently, follow? You indicate that you're leaving, and not coming back, but return anyway, to change your own positions and mistate mine. It's as if you don't understand that our discussion is right there on the page for all to read. Your inconsistency is a glaring weakness to your own credibility.

Any REAL investigation of any mass murder in the USA involves the issuance of subpoena power at the very least. The 9/11/2001 Commission on "Terrorist Attacks" didn't subpoena any of the principal material witnesses or place them under oath when the few of them allegedly "testified".

When investigating a mass murder which may be the work of a gang or terrorist organization, any REAL investigative entity must responsibly also have witness protection powers. NONE of the investigations into 9/11/2001 had the power to protect witnesses or whistleblowers.

Since 9/11/2001 was an enormous failure by our Military and Intelligence "Community", it is understandable, at the very least, that they would like to use classification to cover their asses and hide their "mistakes". Any REAL investigation would need security clearances to be able to hear and read classified testimony. They weren't provided in numbers sufficient to the task.

I didn't say that you personally were ordered to LIE about your involvement in 9/11. Only that if you are ordered to LIE you will do so. And your pledge to keep those secrets extends past your active military service.

I don't hate the military. But I have come to dislike what it turns you tools into.

If you are going to continue to allege that 9/11/2001 was somehow properly investigated when the list of things that went wrong that day and never got mentioned is in the double digits, then we will all have to agree that you are being a willful idiot at best.

You are such a clueless clod as well as a bore. You are a lying fool so full of hate and mistrust and paranoia that I cannot even feel sorry for you. Get out of the basement and deal with real life for a change! You might learn something useful. The plain simple fact is that you detest anyone that just does not agree with your narrow minded point of view and you cannot even admit that. Your own statements above proves that you do in fact hate the military. At least man up and admit it instead of trying to weasel your way out of or around it! In your own words, "Your own inconsistency is a glaring weakness to your own credibility." And Dude, you lost any credibility a long time ago!

There you go again................if you are bored, why do you keep coming back? Click on the stop tracking button and you can quit while you are behind, much like you did in Viet Nam.

What is up with all the ad hominem? You are "proud to serve" but object to being referred to as the "tool" you are proud to be and have been.

I don't hate the military. I do hate the government's ability to hide its crimes and misdeeds behind classification and "sealed" records, which when finally unsealed by FOIA orders, or decades of time, then go missing and untraceable, much like the $2 TTTrillion Rumsfeld and Dr. Dov Zakheim said was missing at the Pentagon on SEPTEMBER 10th 2001. Was Dov Zakheim ever subpoenaed by any investigative body over that , or his involvement in Systems Planning Corp, (drone flight computer& telemetry technology) and 9/11? NO HE WAS NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF you still really believe that any REAL investigation of 9/11/2001 has taken place, you are either a tool and a fool, or a complete ignorant. That is not a "Narrow" view of the world, it is a position borne out by a huge set of FACTS.

If anyone is a weasel, it is you. Our meeting was guaranteed by you to take place at "the time and place" of MY choosing. My having made that choice, you feel you can try to change it unilaterally.

Support a REAL investigation into 9/11/2001 and we will get together sooner, weasel.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and try a little item known as logic here with you. I live in the Southeast corner of Arizona here. But you think I should show up and meet you at the Washington Monument on the day results of your alleged investigation are released. Is that right? Yeah, so you expect me to travel across country in one day for results that nobody would know when it would be released. I don't think so. Based on that, yeah I think I can most definitely change it. Think about that. At least I allowed you three days travel from wherever you may be. I'll see you there chump! Just look for the guy with the red hat and the pony tail.

The REAL investigation of 9/11/2001 will be going on for a good six months or more. The day of its conclusion will be a well publicized, and scheduled, event, dimwit.

If you believe in honor, try living up to your own promises.

9/11/2001 was an INSIDE JOB. That statement is merely an allegation. It should be an indictment statement against Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, but they are entitled to a presumption of innocence until proven guilty in a court of law. We can't go to court until there has been an investigation with the powers to arrive at what the FACTS and truths about 9/11 really are. This has yet to have been allowed by the very same people that we suspect are guilty, and refused to allow an investigation to prove their claims of innocence and "absurd" conspiracy "theories". All indictments are theoretical, the COURT then decides what is true or false, or proven.

So yeah, I expect you to live up to your unsolicited stated commitment, ya weasel. You'll have plenty of time and notice to schedule a flight from Arizona to DC.

God, you really are a loon! Besides, why should I give you an unfair advantage?

The fact is that neither one of us is going to change our stance so we as well agree to disagree and just let it go at that. You don't like me and I don't care for you. We are just wasting page space here insulting each other for no good reason.

What unfair advantage? Read your own comment #7.29 until you comprehend what you have gotten yourself into. I pick a time and place, as your challenge instructs, and now you are chickening out.

We're not going to just agree to disagree. What are we 17 year old girls?

What is truly striking about our conversation is your unwillingness to even acknowledge that the so called investigations of 9/11/2001 were limited in their scope and hampered by budget and time restrictions, along with never being empowered to to the job that they were supposedly tasked to do. If you don't see the Keane Commission investigation, run by Philip Zelikow, as an obvious Whitewash, then your are working very hard not to see it, or talk about it, for what it was, and still is. Richard Clarke has told us that 50 people at CIA knew Al qaida was inside the USA for 9 months prior to 9/11/2001, and they all refused to inform anyone at the FBI headquarters until 5 days before the attack. George Tenet LIED to the Keane Commission when he said that he didn't go to Crawford Texas in August to meet with George W Bush in 2001. The Whitehouse website locates him, Tenet, there in Crawford on AUGUST 25, 2001. Please don't tell me that we should just agree that TENET somehow forgot that he flew out to Crawford to meet with "W" personally in the weeks just prior to 9/11/2001, while at the same time he claims that he was running around DC with "his hair on fire" trying to figure out what was about to happen. Coleen Rowley had already explained what the threat was.

Whatever. You want to act like a 17 year old girl and not an adult, that's your problem. The reverse of your 3rd paragraph can easily be said about you. Just depends on one's point of view, which you expect and demand that all others share the same as yours. Anyone that disagrees with you is a fool and a liar. There is no room for polite discussion with you. What BS! Goodbye.

Whatever? You really are a girl.

How do you just ignore all the information that indicates that 9/11/2001 was an inside job, and that the supposed investigations of 9/11/2001 were simply whitewashes, and still consider yourself to be a good American? What right thinking American wouldn't want these issues properly resolved? No Subpoena, NO TRUTH.

Some people use drugs. Other people don't need drugs. See above.

who prevented that again? Already forgotten?

Douche zman. Congress blocked the fulfilment of Obama's promise. He didn't retract his desire to do so. His efforts were thwarted. That is democracy. Grow up, and grow a set while you're at it.

Just curious...what do you think Assange did to deserve your ire? Do you think he endangered US troops or their confederates?

Do you know who his accusers are?

Just wondering

Who are you to question me or my motives? Keep on yearning

who does he have to be, to question you? If you believe in the free press, as our founders did, then Assange is neither a traitor nor a spy, but just a journalist doing what the fake journalists amongst us won't, because they are bought off by the Military Industrial Complex.

G White. Thank you for your service.

BO is something we should try to avoid. but..

Democrats the 51% rule.

Republican the 1% rule.

got the picture?

Yearning, So much for True Journalism and Freedom Of The Press. I miss America.

I only have one left that I saved...never realised they would be censored: Geneva Agreed Statements Meeting: just a bunch of totally boring garbage and the Russian side provided copies of agreed statements on the use of telemetric data and on the transfer of Trident II missles to the United Kingdom. End Summary.

I read more about it in the Newspapers. Big Deal Yet Classified Secret! Ohhhhhhhhhhh but it was in all the Newspapers!

Obama and Hillary thank you for your cooperation.... Personally, I think the three of you could use some time in Gitmo.

Though I do entirely understand that US citizens do like a free government... and the whole idea of limiting government by legislation is lost on the three of you...

Still... it's good to know wikileaks is back...assuming of course, that The Party doesn't own it now.

Whidbeyboy, agree with you 100%! Nice name by the way. Spent two years on Whidbey with VA-95 back in the mid 70's and loved it. Used to love going to the Captain Whidbey Inn for real crab meat omelets. Hopefully, it still exists.

While The Party painted Obama as a Muslim sympathizer and an apologist thereto... he quietly went about killing more Muslims than all other Presidents combined... including George. He had us in three wars at once against Islamic countries.

Whatever you think about The Party...they sure know how to control a mob.

Well yeah...and don't tell Democrats either... "indefinite detention" in which you don't need charges or a trial to hold someone is an Obama baby. The GOP did the Patriot Act ... just like they did the first bailout.

There is little difference, if any, between a big government conservative and a police state liberal.

Well, sure... more meds... no doubt,, it's just that Hillary and Obama put the word out on this guy...and here you are... their friend.

Julian Assange never published anything that could even feasibly endanger anyone.. and if you read the news, just recently, a CIA guy was sentenced to three years for leaking stuff to the press...yet no one is trying to shut down the media he leaked to,

Obama, Hillary, and you, want this dude's head..and none of you can explain why. None of you have evidence against him... you just want him dead or locked up forever.

Couldn't you pick your friends a bit more carefully?

Yearling, you ae one stupid person to say what you said. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

oh come on... more meds will probably do me well...

... and the rest of it was rather clever.

Yearning, Maybe a little clever but truthful which is something we don't hear much of.

Why is it you people can't actually debate Yearning, but you have to resort to name-calling and smear attacks?

Are you afraid of actually having your ass handed to you in words?

The Mullet. For What? Something that you Read somewhere but have No idea if it is true or not?