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Subscribe to RSSUpdated at 6:30 a.m. ET: BEIJING -- A court in China has sentenced a man to eight years in prison for trying to form an opposition party and for online messages criticizing the ruling Chinese Communist Party, a week ahead of a congress which will usher in a new generation of leaders.
Cao Haibo, 27, had called for democracy and had tried to form a party called the "China Republican Party," his lawyer, Ma Xiaopeng, said.
The court in the southwestern city of Kunming sentenced Haibo on Wednesday for "subversion of state power," Ma said.
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Ma said that Cao's party had only existed for one day online.
The sentence signals the party's resolve to crack down hard on dissent, especially as it readies for a power handover at the congress which opens in Beijing on Nov. 8.
President Hu Jintao is due to hand over his party chief position to anointed successor Xi Jinping.
Dissident author Liu Xiaobo, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2010, was sentenced to 11 years of imprisonment over his pro-democracy campaigns for the technically less serious charge of "incitement to subversion," prominent human rights lawyer Mo Shaoping told NBC News.
"In order to be liable for subversion, the accused must have actually engaged in forming a political party to overthrow the state, with a party program, constitution and party membership, but if these facts are absent in the case of Cao Haibo, then the sentencing is wrong," he said.
"The freedom of assembly is a constitutional right, and there is important distinction between subversion and incitement to subversion, all these must be recognized," he added.
'An immature child'
Ma told Reuters by telephone that he thought the sentence was too harsh.
"Cao Haibo does not understand politics in China," Ma said. "We think he's an immature child; he really did not know that the party would take it this seriously."
Cao, who was running an Internet cafe, is not a prominent dissident. Police cited Cao's text messages that he sent to friends using a popular messaging service, Ma said.
China Daily via Reuters
Police officers and forces from the Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) practice to disperse crowd in a joint drill to reinforce security for the coming 18th National Congress of the Communist Party of China, in Zhengzhou, Henan province, on Tuesday.
Ma said he told the court during the trial in August, which was closed to the public, that Cao did not deserve to be punished criminally.
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Ma said he was informed of the sentence on Thursday morning by telephone, instead of in court. He said that was illegal.
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Calls to the Kunming Intermediate Court, which sentenced Cao, were not answered.
Cao's wife, Zhang Yan, confirmed that Cao was jailed for eight years. Zhang, 23, said she was surprised by the severity of the sentence.
"It exceeded our expectations, we only thought he would be sentenced to five years at the most," said Zhang, adding that she did not know the content of Cao's messages that were deemed subversive. They have a nine-month-old child.
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Police arrested Cao in October 2011, said Zhang, about three months after she and Cao married. Zhang said she did not know if Cao would appeal but he would meet his lawyer next week.
The party has always moved swiftly to crush opposition to its 63-year monopoly on power. Defendants facing subversion charges in China's party-run courts are almost never acquitted.
Reuters and NBC's Eric Baculinao contributed to this report.
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Hmm, and here I thought the republican party was bad, lol! Their close, but no cigar!
It is ironic that China's economic success is largely due to American consumers, and the corporations that shifted production to China.
Walmart, Bain, etc have enabled continued oppression of the Chinese people.
Wall Street rallied on this news, now they are assured bogus GDP numbers from China..
Man I wish we had the guts to lock up Republicans here!!!!! Keep those fascist nazis in jail!!!!!!
Yep. And consumers have enabled Walmart. And the majority stockholders who sold out their comapnies enabled Bain. What's your point?
#1.1
Don't have yourself on. China's success is due to the hardwork of her people and the good fiscal policy of the chinese government.
US consumers buy Chinese products because they are good value for money. Corporation shift production to exploit chinese workers by paying them peanuts and also export pollution from the manufacturing process.
So you support the creation of political prisoners in the U.S.A. I'm glad you only have one vote. (That sound you hear in the background is Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams and James Monroe flapping around in their coffins.)
Frank, spoken like a true Communist!
No Mike. It is socialists and communists who feek they have a divine right to act this way. China is the last great evil empire and ultimately we will be - despite the fact we have a President currently, but not for too much longer, who believes its okay to play patty cake with them - forced to take a serious stand against China and call a spade a spade.
China would happily force you, me and everyone to goosestep to its totalitarian dictates. It is time for America to begin a systematic boycott of all Chinese products - even ones that are only assembled there for the soulless American and European companies that find it conducive to the bottom lines to employ its slave laborers.
We don't need to drop nuclear weapons on China to destroy its communist government - bankrupt them.
But, first we need someone who actually knows how to lead; someone who is more interested in building up rather than tearing down America leading it - which is, thank God, soon to be!
Ignorant Americans, the product of inept government funded public schools operated by socialist labor unions, believe that American consumption of Chinese goods is the cause of China's economic power. It never occur to the American that the world is much larger than America and that nother nations as well as the Chinese themselves can consume the goods manufactured in China.
The ugly American, ever so arrogant and self righteous.
@TheGood... You do realize Mitt Romney is a businessman, right? You know, the exact same kind of guy that's in charge of those "soulless American and European companies" you mentioned?
Actually without US trade China's economic power would be substantially smaller, I agree with you about the schools/unions.
Hey good or bad, Romney's past dealings are why Americans have to rely on China for goods. Bain and all the companies he closed moved jobs overseas. Period. That is a fact and cannot be ignored. In addition, he claims he will create jobs but his record is destroying jobs and leaving people with no means of support. Period. His party wants to roll-back a woman's right to decide her own medical care, and basically take women back 100 years (all the rape comments). Period, that is a fact. And I do not want to live in a religious state (uh, seperation of church and state). That does not mean that I don't believe in things but do we want to be a middle east country where human rights are dictacted by a religious government? I never thought that so many people simply don't think.
Frank.
I take it your voting for Obama?
bany6124, you don't believe that your post represents thinking do you?
As China's communists fight real change the same is happening here as Barrack Hussein desperately tries to drive our government into a totalitarian system.
Of course the Liberals/Progressives support this so they are taken care of more and more because they are unable to exist independently. It's a shame there are so many that have been indoctrinated in the nanny state mentality.
It's time to break this viscious cycle of dependency and restore our great Republic to prosperity. This Keynesian and Progressive social and economic justice nonsense has been undermining our great nation for 100 years.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©
NOTE: Liberals/Progressives remember to vote on November 7th.
bany6124
So, bany, tell us exactly how many jobs did Romney move offshore? A source would be nice too if you can provide it.
Now, make sure your numbers are accurate.
Period.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©
NOTE: Liberals/Progressives remember to vote on November 7th.
Yeah, the parallels to the GOP are scary aren't they. With GOP standard bearers like Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh regularly calling disagreement with the GOP/TP agenda 'treasonous', it's pretty clear they'd like to lock up any 'dissidents'. And the GOP action (or rather, lack of it) in Congress shows how they really feel about actually working for improving the country. The only real difference is in China, it is the government trying to stifle dissent for their own gain. Here, the GOP is working for their corporate masters but if they had their way the results would be the same. Our saving grace is if they tried naked force like China, their opposition to gun control of any sort has ensured that there will be an armed populace and not all gun owners are mindless fools that buy into the GOP lies... Even liberals can learn how to shoot straight....
As to the name choice of 'Republican' for the opposition party, the irony should be obvious. The Chinese government has already taken the term 'Democratic' for itself (and used it in the fully Orwellian sense), so it's not like there were a lot of choices....
Both Republicans and Democrats voted for NDAA and a left-leaning president actually signed it! I'd be far more worried about that than China's political backwardness.
Break the cycle of bad governance. Vote for someone else this time, someone who'll protect your rights, not sign them away. Vote Libertarian.
Facts are stubborn things, Many Republicans have come out and praised the Chinese Economic Model, of course many have since distanced themselves from that rhetoric. Fact remains China is a Communist Model, with a Capitalistic Module if you will, used not in the true sense but when it benefits their interest.
Nobody really believes their numbers but Wall Street bulls trying to bring investors. They have totally polluted their City to the point Citizens often wear Surgical Mask. Their Rivers and lakes are full of trash and waist from their Manufacturing Plants. I could go on, they are not a sustainable model and never where.
My Favorite Quote
"The Chinese have it right, Pro Growth, Pro Business Policies that ensure success. Democrats have continued to block our own Pro Growth Policies which create Jobs and New Industries. We could learn a lot from China, Wall Street gets it, why doesn't Washington"
Mitch McConnell 2008
The point of the article is not about pro-growth; nor who sent jobs to China. The subject and point of the article is that China is a repressive dictatorship that has not the slightest compunction about imprisoning its own children, its own "best and brightest", the ones who have the courage to speak up and suggest that for China's sake it must move away from its Stalin/Hitler like present character.
My point is that short of going to war to destroy the Communist Chinese part of China and break its grip - which is not an acceptable course, the next beset thing is to make them a pariah; cease doing business with them; don't buy anything made their regardless of what company - be it Apple, Intel or whomever's name it carries once it lands on our shores.
Make the cost of tyranny too high; so high that it begins to impact the general population in a way that creates intense dissatisfaction within the Chinese people, which ultimately results in the downfall of the slave masters.
Truth be told, the reason the curfrent regime is so draconian in its "snuff out dissent" before even a whiff of it starts to spread, is because they know - having risen to power based on killing and usurping power how easy it actually would be once a new revolution - especially one where people are seeking freedom from them - it would be for them to find themselves on the receiving end of the bullets this time round.
GM Bill,
I have said for years that people should remember that China is still a communist country and have been scoffed at. Amazing that people are acting suprised by this news.
ED, I notice that you were selective and ridiculously slanted in what companies you called out. You are just spewing hollow rhetoric if you can't take full accounting with open eyes how vast the scope of the problem really is.
Frank, you just need to SUS. Talk like that from Ultra-Libs and Ultra-Cons is counterproductive and just proves you to be an idiot.
This article proves that there is still a very strong communist presence in China crushing dissent with their official system.
This has always been the way communism works, and the liberals of this country seem to want to emulate their oppression via their overbearing policies.
Socialism isn't = Communism and if you wanna get technical Republicans and wallstreet more closely emulate Communism than any socialist society would. Do some research on the two types of society before you post more stupid crap.
Using the word Republican in the name is what got him thrown in Jail. To bad we can't do the same.
See #1.6 above
See 1.7, too.
I really really can't wait so see the look on all of the liberals faces when Obama loses next week.
I don't think he will lose, although I think it's going to be close. Should be an interesting night anyway.
So many people think their political prejudice is more important than political freedom.
Maybe you're joking, but I personally don't find the idea of a one-party state funny.
We need an opposition. I just wish there was more than one (I'm with you, AG! Gary Johnson 2012!)
This is where the republican party is headed if we keep givng them power. :)
They've been taking notes from the Red for years now!!!
This is a story about a person in China being arrested because he wanted to organize a Republican political party, It would seem more likely based on many of the comments here that those claiming to be Liberals/Democrats would like to imprison members of the Republican Party,Tea Party and anyone else who does not agree with their, So your comment should read this is where the Democratic party is headed if we keep giving them power, It seems the Democratic party is aligned with the current Communist Government is China.
Yes it seems the Democratic party has been taking notes...Silence the opposition by all means possible.
Quotes from story
Well said, Lostinthepines.
At the same time, you have Republican legislatures passing actual LAWS under the guise of some "voter fraud" bogeyman, which are designed to discourage typically Democratic voters. Voter fraud has never been shown to be a problem in the US, so why the sudden widespread push to crack down on this "problem". Especially in swing states? That couldn't have anything to do with a close upcoming election, or the Republican party's stated goal and purpose to make Barack Obama a one term president above all else, could it? What about the fact that many of the laws seem to have been passed so close to the election, that widespread confusion about new requirements would be more likely to discourage even more people from voting? Thank goodness for the court system, which has struck down or postponed most of these laws!
So, while I agree with you that calling for the imprisonment of ANYBODY for their political views is probably one of the most un-American things you can do or say, the Republican party is engaging in some plans and tactics that should have you extremely worried about them continuing to be in positions of power.
Yes, PaleBlue. It astonishes me that republicans can look at the left/liberals and tell them that they are the one's that want to control everybody and subvert democracy whilst republicans in power actually do pass those kind of laws and train people to put pressure on voters who might not be voting their way. And not forgetting that they would force women to have un-needed and unwarranted medical procedures if they want to have a (totally legal) abortions, or would introduce laws to force a woman to have a child if they become pregnant after being raped. But, no, they are totally tolerant of people who think differently than them. Sure.
The country is almost evenly split between R and D (depending on how you count the numbers). It's depressing some people here want to stifle half the country's political will because they don't agree with it. How unAmerican is that?
You may not care for some conservative values and certainly not for their voting record, but to openly advocate suppressing them makes you more like the Chinese than us.
LostInThePineBarrens,
You're funny and witty at the same time. Hopefully you didn't too spend much time coming up with such retorts!
Both Republican and Democrats would gladly bend the rules to stifle the opposition if they could get away with it, because the viciously partisian atmosphere in our political sphere (which certainly isn't helped by many people here) values winning over good governance. It's not about getting the best government possible, but about defeating "the bad guys".
Anyone who characterizes the other party as "evil" or accuses them of being blatantly, pointlessly destructive is simply indulging their own hate at the expense of actual political discussion. And it's your country and government that suffers.
It could be worse. He could have called themselves the tea party. That should be worth 20 years.
life without parole......
The new Democratic way...Jail those who have different opinions...see the above two for examples of what the Democratic party has become.
The liberal Democrats posting here have made it clear they are nothing but Communists. If they think China and Communism is so great, I'm for buying them a one way ticket to Kunming.
The Teaparty should be jail for high treason and sedition. We will have a civil war, many of us are not going to bow down to the Mormon King.
The Tea Party held non-violent political rallies and participated legally and fairly in Republican caucuses. How is that even close to treason or sedition? Just because you don't like what they say?
Socialism doesn't = Communism, learn the differences and stop being ignorant. Our democratic system as it is now more mirrors communism than a socialist society would. Funny how so many people are against socialism who think its the same as communism. So much ignorance.
Yep, leave it to the internet wasteland, and it's inhabitants, to turn a perhaps misguided yet well justified attempt to exit communism into political fodder. Yes Larry, It could have been a lot worse: he could have been killed for this. No offense, but I bet even Obama would be disappointed with all four of you for throwing someone under the proverbial bus, or in prison, just to push an agenda.
If it keeps fascism in check it is worth it.... We do not need anymore right leaning governments in the world, remember Hitler????
Yep. I remember Hitler jailing and killing people because they were different than him. Awesome justification: it is acceptable to imprison someone simply to prevent them from speaking their mind. You have my vote as the undisputed 2012 Nozzle of the Year. Congrats; your mom would be so proud!
Liberals have a sense of humor. It isn't liberals that spew the hate over random conspiracy theories it's people like you.
Frank remember Stalin, Castro, Marx, Lennin, Kim Il-sung, etc. There have been REALLY bad leaders from both left and right when you get down to it. You just aren't able to cope with the truth.
Larry, I call BS on you. Ultra-libs and Ultra-cons are all guilty of spreading ridiculousness. You seem to have blinders over your left eye
Freedom is still an illusion over there huh...
Is it an illusion? I wasn't aware China even bothered to pretend they're free.
It shouldn't have surprised anyone that this man was arrested and punished harshly for even amateur political activities.
This is what the radicals inside the democrat party wish they could do to the Tea Party.
The Tea Party was only good for annoying the rest of us. Nothing worthy of tossing them in jail for...
The democrats are patriots the Tea Party is a domestic terrorist group funded by plutocrats, big difference... You asshats marche on washington with guns, you are terrorists!!!!
You say that like you think you are a majority...news flash...you are not. While I am not a Tea party member I am not annoyed by them. The people who called themselves Tea Party members spoke up for what they believed in, They organized and in 2010 and subsequent elections have elected people who share their values to represent them in all forms of government, This is the American way and this is what frightens people like you.
Can you give examples of their terrorist acts and known funding by 'plutocrats'? From my experience, they are folks who show up at rallys to rail against unbridled government spending/waste. I don't know that they are being funded by anyone and I don't believe holding up signs can be considered an act of terrorism.
Gjalt, I would imagine if you google "tea party rallies with guns" you will figure out what Frank is referring to
PRober, I imagine if you checked you will find there were no crimes committed at those rallies, Just because a person has a firearm does make them a criminal, Now can you say the same thing about the OWS gang
Lostinthepines: Wrong. The tea party runs on deceit to win at any cost. They put up a candidate pledged to a lobbyist named Grover Norquist to lie his way through an election pretending to be a moderate. They nominated Romney because their true candidate couldn't get elected on his agenda. Here's what Grover Norquist said of Romney's role if elected. Do republicans really want to elect one man knowing he won't be the one making decisions? Even if you support Ryans agenda this should concern you.
LostInThePineBarrens,
"Us" can imply 2 or more people, with myself included. Pacified? Now take your pompous, feeble trolling attempts and GFYS!!!
And none of this is on the topic
I will say one thing for Chris Wanker, at least you are honest for the most part by advertising that you are a devout communist.
Larry: I still don't see how any of that is "terrorism". Even if I were to take all of your "facts" at face value, none of that is illegal, nor is it any more "immoral" than our current president making numerous campaign promises and then not fulfilling them.
If people are so terrified of the Tea Party that they believe their opinions should be actually stifled, rather than just ignored, then perhaps their platform requires another look...
I never said anything about terrorism I was merely pointing out the man Romney's pledged to has stated Romney if elected will rubber stamp anything he's told to. That should scare you. If you doubt it search Romney digits you'll find actual quotes from Norquists speech.
Why should that scare me? Politicians being beholden to special interests an oligarchs is as old as government itself. Obama has his own favored groups that he'll "rubber stamp", and they're both held to account by voters for such decisions. I really don't see a difference, much reason a reason to be afraid.
Not that I'm particularly convinced by Norquist's claim that Romney would be his puppet. There are an awful lot of interests competing for a president's attention, and no one lobby holds uncontested power in a party.
Tracy-2712120
At least I don't go gayly prancing around with a Che Guevara shirt on. That little freedom fighter was a Communist through and through! Marxism-Leninism ideology, to be exact. But more interestingly he is one of the Cuban leaders responsible for the allowing the Cuban Missile Crisis to happen!
And the oh so intelligent OWS people acted like a true mob breaking windows, defacing everything, leaving their human waste products everywhere and calling themselves holy warriors against businesses (or whatever came to mind at the moment of their media 'moment in the sun').
The tea party is actually honorable compared to them.
If you idiots on this post don't like Democracy and the freedom you enjoy then by all means feel free to move to Communist China and leave the USA to those of us that appreciate it.
We love freedom and democracy, we just want freedom from the morons and douchebags in the republican party!!!!
In other words it is your way and any one else is wrong...news flash...you are not the majority
Frank, just like the Nazis wanted freedom from the Jews, right? You hypocrite!
Freedom? Right. That's why I can't buy a beer on Sunday or a bottle of cooking wine any day of the week without driving to the next county. That's thanks to my local ultra conservative church tipping government here in Tennessee by the way. I can't even smoke a joint in the privacy of my own home thanks to the NATIONAL conservative church tipping government. (I don't do that anyway, but it's the principal of the thing.) Thank God at least that I have the right to a trial. Oh wait... No I don't. Thanks to NDAA, I can be detained indefinitely without trial due to a "perceived terrorist threat", which may or may not involve something called "evidence" and which in the right frame of mind would include something as benign as criticizing the government. I'm dead serious. Look it up.
Let freedom ring.
Frank is a troll. Do not feed him....
Interesting that you measure freedom by how stoned you can get.
Frank a Troll? The Chinese knows what the Republican Party is and after all the Jobs you sent there. They still want nothing to do with you. As my memory serves me Reagan was the only Republican that they liked. That's gotta Bite Man!
Keep spouting Frank. You show those Republicans & the American People just what the Dems. have become.
@ Gjalt
Keep it up with the rhetoric. Freedom is freedom. You token patriots can keep waving the flag and spouting liberty all you want but until you know the true meaning of the word the rest of us will recognize you for what you really are. Hypocrites. Besides. What does the NDAA and cooking wine have to do with getting "stoned?"
John, My guess is that those laws/ordinances/rules existed before you were born or lived there and if you do not like them you have the freedom to try to change them, That is what freedom is all about, Just like the man this article is about does not have the freedom to try to change his government you do, You will not be arrested for proclaiming your opinion, You can go out and speak to people and try to get those rules changed if you get enough people who do not like them and if you can not you have the freedom to drive to another county to purchase those items you want. That is what makes a Democratic Republic so great, The citizens have the right to speak about what they do not like.
Freedom of speech protects you from the government. It doesn't protect you from what your friends, family, and neighbors think about you. Before you go prancing around expressing your rights, you need to think carefully about all of the repercussions.
In other words, don't be an idiot!
Look who's talking!
It's YOU who are the problem!
It must be the Chinese watched our republican party have 2 unfunded wars, medicare part d unfunded and give tax breaks to the rich that was unfunded and didn't want any part of that.
I think it was obama who watched the Chinese government where their beliefs are to oppress their citizens, told what to do, what to eat, what cars to drive, what light bulbs to use, and on and on. Your problem is you want to be lead, want to be told what to do and when to do it. How about growing a spine!
Maybe China can't borrow money from China Like President Dumbya did. How the hell we went from a surplus to deficit under that retards watch is beyond belief!!!!
Maybe China can't borrow from China?.
So where did obama get the $6T over the last 4 years? Tahiti?
Bushes total debt was 13.1 TRILL. What you call unfunded war was 3.5 TRILL roll over that wasn't shown. When we go to war the budget goes to unlimited as far as defence goes. It than gets put on the debt wheel at a later date. It was put on when Obama came to office. So your six Trill Claim is now 2.5 TRILL. Obama borrowed 1.2 TRILL. Which leaves us at 1.3 TRILL defecit in trade that was due to the recession and trade. Bush borrowed $13.1 TRILL and Obama $1.2 TRILL. You trolls like to claim that Obama said he would reduce the debt by half, what a bunch of fiction you threw out. He said he would reduce spending by half. He has more than exceeded his goal and still kept us going through the Recession. That's more than any Republican could have ever dreamed of. Lieing Republicans, Birds of a Feather Flock Togather, There is an awful lot of truths in those Old Addages.
6dogs, you forget one important factor in the equation... G.W. Bush wasn't black, so of course his 3.5 trillion roll over doesn't count. See... in the land of the "right", everything is pretty much white and if it's not well then it must be socialist, communist or at the very least anti-Christ.
The Baggers have very short memories, if you believed what you read here Obama has been President since 2000? Got us into two un winable wars and threw a trillion dollars at the banks to bail them out. The TRUTH is this all happened before Obama, sorry the truth does hurt!
Rule of Nines, your memory is extremely short, it was less than 4 years ago, after Obama won, that GWB refused to give the money to the banks and hang Obama with it. He consulted Obama and Biden, and they approved the bailout money to be released. GWB, since he was still POTUS at that point, then signed off on it.
It's acts like this to show China will never be regarded as a world leader, just another 4th world wannbee. Have to laugh at how stupid their bureaucrats are, appointed for who they know, not what they know. Asian values never made it across the border to their people. Sad, so sad to see the whole world laughing at them. But you get what you earn.
Wow, you can sure tell who the uneducated are on this site - great use of spelling liberals. Of course, it's also understandable since they all want one thing - to live life Lemmings. You want to live like the Chinese? Keep voting for the pukes like obama and you'll get your wish.
I prefer to live in a country like America where we have values, believe in our "true government", and keep what you earn. Earn - another word liberals don't comprehend.
Terrible punctuation Roy. Poor sentence structure Roy. The fact is the USA does not recognise Taiwan, a country which is more democratic than the United States. Instead the USA recognises China and will only refer to Taiwan as Taipei.
Humorously, takenaka, you are incorrect in stating he misused punctuation or had poor sentence structure. Point to any portion of his post that was not correct. I say humorously because I went through some of your previous posts and can provide at least a dozen examples of misspelling, legitimately substandard grammar, and child-like sentence structure in your comments, with at least three errors in this one critical post alone.
This goes back to the old adage, "When you point one finger, there are three fingers pointing back to you."
@ Tattooed: Allow me. "...great use of spelling liberals..." There should be a comma before liberals. "...obama..." The 'o' should be capitalized. Now can we get serious?
"...you can sure tell who the uneducated are on this site - great use of spelling liberals..." Roy, I'm fairly sure the mark of an educated mind is one that can consider rationally the merits and concerns of its opponents without embracing them. By even using such a broad generalization as "liberals" as the basis for your entire rant, you've proven that not only are you completely biased, but you're also unqualified to dictate who falls under the definition of uneducated.
While I feel that pointing out spelling and punctuation errors are kind of pointless on these message boards, I do, personally, subtract a few credibility points from a post when I see an obvious lack of paying attention at the grade school level. Thousands of posts here could be bolstered by the authors taking just a few minutes to re-acquaint themselves with the proper usage of there, their and they're or to and too, etc.
yeah Roy, you exemplify why we should not make cuts in education and/or allow the integration of religion and government. Faux News spews have taught you very well. By the way, did your children trick or treat last night? You know that, according to Yawn Insanity or is it Sean Hannity (I never can tell), you are teaching your children to be hand-outters begging for stuff by doing so? lmao
Just wait! It will not be long before we are thrown in jail for trying to oppose the government. This president is a would be dictator and he is surrounded by people who have the same ambitions. Wake up AMERICA before its too late.
We got rid of the would be dictator... W. has been gone for 4 years!
"We got rid of the would be dictator..." And replaced him with bigger one!
Crudbucket, you did intentionally misspell "bigger" right?
What are you trying to say there PRober? A little racist are you?
No argument, just start name calling and drop the R card like Frank and PRober, shameful
Really? The tea party wants less government. Why do liberal think......oopps... liberals don't think. they just speak.
All one has to do is look at the comments from the Democrats on this thread, They seem to want to be able to arrest and imprison or worse anyone who does not have the same political beliefs as they do, And then they claim that the Tea Party are terrorists and extremists.
It's called projection and its what they fall back on when saying the same falsehoods repeatedly fails to get the job done.
I may be a Democrat, but prefer the term Free Voter. As for the Tea Party, in my view, they are extreme for me. I do like Mc Cain because he does stand up for right reasons. He stood up for Obama 3 times during the last 4 years and told the Republicans to get moving on issues if importance. John Mc Cain does stand up for the populance, I admire him for that. What bothers me about Mc Cain is his go to War to quickly attitude. Now if you Republicans want to sit down and have a couple of beers with me and talk sensibly, like some of you are sounding right now, I'd welcome the conversation. Unfortunatly that is not the way these Blogs go. Have a Good Day Gentilemen.
I can understand that, but why waste a good beer over politics?
Meh. Angry words. I've heard just as bad from Republicans.
It just so happens that the poor guy in the article called his party "Republican", so it's convenient for party-bashing.
Some Peoples Republic!" China has created what may be called "authoritarian capitalism" wherein the central planning failures of the Maoists are avoided, but one-party rule endures.
The best seeds of democracy for China are now being sown by Chinese students returning from American colleges and universities. It will take a few generations, though.
I wonder how much longer the Communist Party can insist on giving its people superior education, work, and economic freedom, but deny them any political choice or access to unfiltered information...
The clock is ticking, gentlemen.
Ha, yes, an oxymoron, People's Republic. It has nothing to do with 'the people' but the solely the elites in power. It is merely another form of oppressive rule by the few over the many, a very common theme throughout history. Also funny is that marxism was supposed to 'free the people' but all it did was enslave them to a heartless juggernaut government.
Strange that liberals so love this kind of arrangement since they embrace 'economic equality' and vote for politicians who will 'redistribute the wealth', essentially confiscating wealth from people who are successful so those who aren't and won't help themselves can latch on to the government tit.
China is a complex country with a culture wildly different from the U.S. And (leaping sideways and ahead, here) technology was a big part of enabling the Arab Spring; it'll be interesting to see what happens with the Chinese...
The word of the day on China Sesame Street is "Obey."
A serious error on China,s part, they dont seem to understand real people at all,, at some point, they will make a move like this, the entire planet! will recoil in horror, and that will be the beginning of the end for the ,well,, whatever they are??,.. certainly not "leaders" are they??..While they can put a guy like this in jail??,, they have no real power over consumers at all,,,markets are extremely fickle,..people will!! vote with their feet,,,Goverments in the rest of the world pay attention to what their people want,, we decide enough??.. then it will!! happen, and fast too,,,As I said, they dont really understand what is happening any more, this scares them,[and that makes them extremely dangerous to the rest of the world btw, "wars are begun by frightened men"[unknown?],and here we see the knee jerk reactions,..As Alec said a while back[so did I btw],.."power" is on the move"...yes indeed!,..Power is moving back where it belongs.. to the real people,,,and that is as it should be,.."they" ahem,, work fo US!, remember that and all will be well,, forget that??.. and go down squealing,,,so be it!..
You say China doesn't understand REAL PEOPLE. I have a problem just defining the term. What is the deffinition of a real person now-a-days?
Oh man, that would open a can of worms..........
I think he was referring to middle-class citizens. People who are educated enough to grasp what the government does and how it impact their lives. China's people are new to the middle class, but they're learning quickly...
Both parties have enabled China to continue to do this. Every time someone cashes a Social Security check they are making our nation more and more beholden to China. Every time Walmart has China make a product for them we are more and more beholden to China. And every time we purchase something made in China we are putting our nation more and more into the hands of these Godless thugs.
1. Remove MFN now.
2. Start paying China back...now.
3. Cut federal spending now.
Either that or start training our seniors to speak Chinese so that they can beg for the money themselves.
Being "beholden to China" via debt doesn't mean a thing. Bond markets don't work like that. In theory trade makes us more vulnerable, since we count on China for products/labor, but that also means they count on us for money; that relationship works both ways.
they took our jobs !!!! you just got to love the corparations that got tax cuts to move jobs to china.that is what Bane is doing right now.
Actually it is what Obama's Job Czar Jeffrey Immelt of GE is doing, Moving Jobs from the US to China.
Yeah allmightygod, didn't you and the rest of the libs know that your messiah's so called job czar has been and is in the process of doing the exact thing that you are all dissing on Romney for? Damn hypocrites.
Your shaky grasp of economics is overshadowed only by your transparent partisianship. How many jobs has Obama "saved" from China? This is not an issue in which one party can claim advantage over the other.
This is the GOP Dream for America; that all paths lead to the GOP. Once they have secured the White House, and the Congress the Judicial Dept will fall easily. This accomplished this will become a one-party Capitalist Country.
Under Obama will become a one party bankrupt socialist country that is no longer free with civil fighting throughout the land like we see in Greece. People will be starving with no real government taking care of them. I will take the Capitalist kind any day.
RE: The GOP Dream: As opposed to the Socialist Democrat Dream that all paths lead to them? They already have the "White House", congress, the Judicial Department, The State Dept, and a Politically orientated military to back them up. Any opposition is way behind. To be more to the point, it is not about government for and by the people, both parties want power in spite of the people. "There are no values, but the values of The State".
We will be a one party country, just like Russia their will be "elections" but they will be a farce to give the power elite the appearance of being legitimate. The Teapublicans only need 20% support, the same as the Communists in Russia and Nazis in Germany ruled with. Government will be "smaller" but the social oppression, legal rape, jailing of debtors , forced labor and control of all expression by the Mormon Church.
Uh, putting aside that there are plenty of left-leaning governments that undermine democracy and jail political opponents, EVERY PARTY wants single-party rule. Practically by definition, every party is convinced that if it controls all the levers of power then success and prosperity is assured. The system is specifically designed to prevent this, because history has proven that is not the case.
It amazes me to no end how hypocritical you libturds can be. You are constantly dissing Romney and Bain Capital for doing exactly what your messiah's job czar has been doing all along, shipping jobs to China. How two faced can you get? I think I'd be better off if I didn't know the answer to that one.
The whole world hates republicans
Except for republicans, just like the whole world hates democrats, except for democrats. Face it, we would all be much better off if a third party entered the scene to help break up the absolute corruption of what exists now. Until that happens we the peons are gonna get nothing but $hit on.
Whew, good thing I'm not a democrat.......or republican......
Libertarians unite! (or whatever you guys are)
If Obama wins another term I am certain his goal is to make our country like China. We must save America and restore democracy. Socialism is not the answer if you want to live in the greatest nation on earth that also happens to be the freest nation on earth.
Romney/Ryan 2012 The can still fix the economy.
The only reason I'm voting for Obama this election is to see Ted Nugent in prison or dead.
Not the best reason in the world. Maybe you are voting to see all of us that disagree with the current regime dead or in prison?
Wow, if we could just be like China with a real growth in GDP of over 7%, highest in the world. Just awful!
All we have to do is oppress people, force them into jobs they don't want to do, set up a huge center to hack and steal technology from governments and corporations (or at least the ones we can't steal and reverse engineer while ignoring all patent law across the globe), poison every river and lake in the land, impose child limits on families, and kill anyone opposing the "state", and we can achieve that Nines....
Well, granted it's not like voting for a candidate because he's the whitest, but it will do...
There you go lukewarm, just because someone doesn't agree with your point of view, call them a racist. Use that in place of making an intelligent point.
Oh, and BTW, just a hint. Obama is more pro-NRA than Romney is!?!?!? How the hell did that happen?
Obama hasn't done anything to impair our democracy that Republicans wouldn't have gladly done in his place. There were precious few Republicans lining up to condemn NDAA.
The Liberal biased media is fully stoked up to get Obama elected. MSN is no longer allowing comment boards on many of the biased political articles because of the huge Conservative participation. They seem to think it is better to write some rhetoric and then publish it with no chance for people to refute it. That will not work as it only energizes the righteous to work harder.
Romney/Ryan 2012 Men who can save America.
Absulutely correct!
They make a big deal about Obama reacting to the storm and how sad the images of the aftermath are.
So are the images of the aftermath of Tyrone Powers, and the others, killed in Benghazi.
The difference is that while losing 4 Americans in Benghazi "Wasn't Optimal", it could, and should, have been avoided!
Too bad we don't see any coverage of that from the mainstream media.