Israel was started by Jewish terrorists and is maintained by a state sponsored terrorism. Murdering people in other countries is always an act of international terrorism. Anybody can justify their reasons for just about anything, if they put enough lies into it.

JONATHAN. I don't know where you are comming from, but here are the facts.

WWI SATRTED BY GERMANY

WW2 STARTED BY GERMANY

HITLER KILLED ALL THE JEWS . but he killed all other people who were not for his agenda

BRITAIN has commited more genocide that you can immagine, and they are the true thief that stolen from every country you can think of.

Iraq and iran war was not about shiite vs sunni. it was about territorial dispute, and u.s and eu used any and every resource to have saddam defeat iran.

dipute of shiite and sunni is something that your kind is trying to create to devide people.

and your last sentence:muslim killing muslim. is non sense. since there has been more occasions that christians killed christians. and finally if you knew a bit about christianity, you would knew that the real christianity is a sect of zorastian religion called mythra which originated from iran.

Israel wasn't even a country until after ww2 when the US and Britain gave it to them it was palestine up until then.Israel is just our watch dog in the mideast so we can have a foothold in the rich oil region.Just follow the money because no matter what ultimately thats what it all boils down to.

rameshm2,

that is correct. Britain is the worst nation on earth! Britian will get immersed in internecine wars in the coming decades and face its karma for looting India...

All this could have been avoided in 1948 if the Arabs accepted partition as Israel did.But instead,they set out to destroy an internationally accepted new country Israel. The U:N created a separate Palestine state to reflect the historical and cultural realities of the Arabs just as they did for the Jews.The Arabs blew it then and are still blowing it now.The constant suicide bombings,the sending of missiles,the lack of recognition of Israe..l with the exception of Egypt and and Jordan .shows the true character of the Arabs.And remember the brutal murders of the Israeli athletes in Germany.a terrible crime commited on German soil. Long ago the Arabs internationalized the conflict with groups like hezbollah and others with attacks on 6 continents..I personally saw the results of 2 bombings in Buenas Aires.The Arabs must negotiate without preconditions with the Israelis and get the state they could have had in 1948..Their record of murders and bombings far outweigh the actions of the Israelis who yes . have killed terrorists as means of protecting their country from horrible massacres..But it is the Palestinians who are trying to destroy Israel and too many want a one state solution with Israel and its citizens killed. Israel has reclaimed its historic homeland and the Palestinians can have their own state also.but not by destroying Israel and replacing it with their own state on top of it !

To Jonathan and the others who have blatantly made racist statements against the Palestinians:

Palestinians, the brown skinned native Canaanites, are the RIGHTFUL owners of that land--not the German Jews. Period End of topic.

Abraham the father of Jews migrated to Canaan-- MIGRATED--he is NOT from there and he is from UR, IRAQ.....Jonathan, you are welcome to go to Iraq, but you have NO CLAIM to Palestine.

Attempt after attempt for peace with the Palestinians were rebuffed.

And to ChicagoT.....did the Canaanites form from tadpoles in the desert?

Bottom line is that they killed the deputy of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat in 1988 during a raid in Tunisia. The land they 'occupy' was given to them by the UK ... and it was not the UKs to give. Israel's belief that they are the 'chosen people' has not served them well; the people of other nations - and America in particular - are tired of defending them. They need to learn to live in peace and not expect the US to go to their aid whenever they get into trouble. They need to learn to compromise.

Romney has promised Israel that he will back their demand to move their capital to Jerusalem, an act that is tantamount to a declaration of war against Palestine. No small wonder Israel's 'leader' favors Mitt Romney. Romney'll kiss his sandals and provide him with war machines, American soldiers and whatever else he wants ... because there's money to be made on war.

President Obama will not play their game. He will put America and Americans first and that is who we need leading this country.

Obama / Biden 2012

There will be no peace in the middle east until both sides abide by international law.

Ha Ha Ha! Political Oponents. That is rich. I wonder if you actually belive what you are shovelling!

So what Hitler did was ok then? Why is it ok for you to do it, but not Hitler? How do two wrongs make a right?

Almost every country has done stuff like this too, so surprise surprise HUMANS ARE THE SAME...imagine that. It does not matter the race, religion, sex, etc. we all do the same stuff, and share way more in common then we have in differences. It is all a B.S. game we are playing over material resources. If there are no enemies or "bad" guys you cannot rally the troops to go fight your wars.

Lifting a nearly 25-year veil of secrecy, Israel has admitted that it killed the deputy of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat in a 1988 raid in Tunisia.

Who cares? Nothing for Israel to be ashamed about. The guy was a dirtbag anyway.

Next topic, please.

Exactly. Israel did what it had to do for their citizens. No shame in that. The world is a safer place.

Israelis rock and are bad ass! I wish they'd do more 'covert' acts and save us the f*cking money! All you Muslim supporters just keep in mind who wants to destroy our culture...I for one happen to love our culture and being America [playing soundtrack to Team America...F*CK YEAH!!!] the Israelis aren't the ones that took out our twin towers. Plus they let their women fight and carry guns which is super cool!!! Go Israel!!!! Plus to the moron ChicagoT, that doesn't know their biblical history...the dome of the rock is sitting on top of Solomon's Temple...it was their land first! Plus the Canaanites were descended from Abraham's bastard son Ishmael and not entitled to inherit. So if you want to really play the 'who was there first' card Pakistan still loses. We really need to stop giving a country that oppresses women and hates us, money...anyone that supports Pakistan is a woman-hater IMO!

This is one of the biggest pieces of non-news I have seen. The fact that Israel took out this scumbag has been pretty well know for a very long time. The fact that they are coming out and openly admitting it does not really change anything since everyone already knew they were responsible. Of course what they did was also justified as this guy was a terrorist who was responsible for the deaths of many Israeli civilians. What the Israelis did to this guy in Tunisia is not different than what the US has been doing to terrorists in other countries with drone strikes, it is just that today the technology means that we do not need to put people in harms way to take out a piece of @!$%# like this guy.

Windjammer there was no such country called Palestine then nor is there now....Keep telling yourself that to support your local terrorst group....

I think I love you mjolnira....

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.the dome of the rock is sitting on top of Solomon's Temple...it was their land first! Plus the Canaanites were descended from Abraham's bastard son Ishmael and not entitled to inherit.

Nice to see there are others that know the truth.

Keep going Israel, millions if not billions of good people are with you.

lot of interesting comments....funny how we fight for an illusion complete joke...but then again we would find something else to fight for if religion did not exist. one of my fav star trek episodes clearly illustrates the stupidity of hate....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_That_Be_Your_Last_Battlefield

who knows maybe our last battlefield will be people who like oranges vs people who like grapefruit (the non-fruit people where the first killed off if u are wondering)....

While putting labels on terrorist groups was not done in the 1980's, there is no doubt that the PLO was, in every way, a terrorist organization. They carried out bombings in Israel and several assassination plots. As such, anyone who is at all connected to the organization fully deserve to die.

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.the dome of the rock is sitting on top of Solomon's Temple...it was their land first! Plus the Canaanites were descended from Abraham's bastard son Ishmael and not entitled to inherit.

Ok, so it was their land first...I guess we in the US had better leave then. There were other people here first whose land we stole...

Kehnn,

If those people start blowing themselves up in restaurants and buses, how will you react?

rameshm2: What you mentioned are partly true. Rest are not supported by facts and realities.

You just study the history of Pakistan to understand better and make post.

Paki Islamic militants are killing Shiites, Sufis, Ahmedias on Fridays in mosques and then hospitals too!

You can't blame British, US and others for all things.

British were certainly better than Portugese or Spanish. In Latin America and other places. They did worse.

As far as Israel is concerned, I am with moderate Jews, another bunch of infidels (jihadi materials).

Now all infidels (non-Muslims) need to keep away from Shiites vs Sunni battles.

Jews: please keep away from the Shiites vs Sunni battles. We will see the remaining later! Let us prepare for future battles!

If likes you want to join their battles, please join them in their battles right away.

But remember: we are miles away.

rameshm2: Which century are you in? Shiites pilgrims are blown up while they go their holy place, Karbala!

Followers of Islamic cult, especially Sunni Saudi inspired Islamic radicals and militants (al-Qaida, Salaffi, Wahhabi, MB, Taliban and other label ones), are fast marching backwards to their seventh century desert tribal days.

They are indulging in rapings, lootings, killings and genocides of non-Muslims (Darfur, S. Sudan, Nigeria and spreading like wild fire in many regions and Muslims (Libya, Yemen, Mali, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan and other places).

Sunni Saudi backed Salaffi and MB new chapters are opening up in Egypt. Just watch the fate of Christians, women and Israel as the time goes by.

Even in Syria, if Assad is overthrown by Sunni Islamic religious Nazis like al-Qaida, MB, the conditions of Christians will be unbearable just like Iraq.

Pakis and Sunni Saudis and co are responsible for 80 percent of world problems including economic ones. Examine the devastations with Iraqi wars and now sanctions on Iranian oil and the resultant oil price manipulations.

They are making the lives of their own people also miserable by their Islamic religious madness to the intolerable levels.

JONATHAN. I couldn't agree with you more. that is probably why h. clinton is taking a different approach towards syria. since there are al quida, wahabi's , salafis and jihadi's infiltrated from saudi and qatar to fight against assad. But the root of the problem is not about being sunni or shiite. this situation is created by the western countries for the dictatorships that they have installed in these countries. bahraini people have been getting killed for the past 2 years,but the media hardly mention them. there are massive protests going on in saudi, but it is hardly mention in the main stream media. you know that west is not in ME for democacy. they are there to secure the oil flow. to west ,it is unacceptable to have an independent ME country,because that will have a dommino effect on the rest of ME. If bahrain falls to democracy, then it will be saudi's turn. and then goodby oil. that is why they are pushing so hard for regime change in iran. althogh there is not much of democracy in Iran, there are an independent country from the west. therefor they shall not be an example for the rest of ME. BUt I have to agree with you that saudi is the biggest threat in ME and U.S sighned some 200 billion arm deal with them last year or so.

More the killings of Islamic killers merrier it is! Less nuisances on earth.

It does not matter who does it.

It they kill each other as in Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan and other places still better!

Logic of Life & rameshm2

You know if we are comparing atrocities then it’s unfair to leave out the US, after all they stole and committed genocide on a huge scale to get their country. Hell in a way they are even worse than Brittan as unlike Britain they have yet to return the land to the people they stole it from. Just saying

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Have you ever stopped to consider why the “Arabs” did not accept partition in 1948? If you had you may wonder where the justice is in giving complete political control of 50% of a territory to a group that (at the time) only made up 10% of the population, kind of seems a little unfair doesn’t it?

Losmuertos, In response to the first paragraph of your comment........Ummmm, Ouch ? lol....Hey you guys came here and started it all. Just Sayin'....We are cousins after all, right ?

XPW4

Britian may have started it, along with the Spanish, Dutch and French, but after 1776 it's all the US's responsibility and on that note, who took more land and did more killing? Simple answer is the US so again if we are comparing attrocties then it's only fair to mention the US, oh and unlike the Europeans you have yet to give back the land you took, so who's worse? :)

Losmuertos, I am not comparing atrocities. Our world history is filled with it. My comment was meant to be satirical in light of the stones that Logic of Life and rameshm2 began throwing with regard to Great Britain. When we look at any peoples past.... nobody, no country is without blame in their attempt to survive.

And, Heaven Forbid, even strive to prosper.

logic of life. you should blame the british that put kashmir in a limbo to purposely cause this between india and pakistan. you should know that if you knew your own history.

Why India alone? Others hammered by seventh century babarbic, beastly, despotic, bigoted and one-way traffic followers of Islamic cult should follow Israel.

Offense is the best defense.

Haters and killers don't understand any other language.

Jonathon. I have to disagree with you on this.offense is not the best defence. of course for Isreali's who are paranoid skitzophrenics there may be, but genereally staying put is the way to go. Isreali's are doing pre emptive attacks, because the international community is letting them. But if they were dealt with like other countries and they were put under sanctions, they would change their approach. If your point is that they pre emptively attacked iraq in 1982 and distroyed their nuclear facility, I have to tell you that it was not successful, and the U.SS had to go and finish the job in 2002 invasion. I don't think that india should follow the isreali's approach and get themselves isolated in the international community. Isreal just ranked as the 4th most dangrous country in the world, while india is prosperring. I am not making this up. read haaretz.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-is-world-s-fourth-most-dangerous-country-study-says-1.277243

"A study of the world's most peaceful countries released Wednesday ranks Israel as fourth to last among the 144 countries ranked."

Unless you believe that there are only 144 countries in the world, the first line in the article directly contradicts the title, which shows that it simply can not be taken seriously.

As for your dream of sanctions against Israel, it would not keep them form fighting back against those who want to harm them. In 1948, they were pretty much alone against the world and they won.

What is so surprising? Israel, via American social and economic participants, has power. Palestine does not. Power is all that matters. You have it, you can do whatever you want to whomever. Don't have it, and others can do what they want to you. It's really not more complicated than that.

It was not your country to begin with, never was, never will be let's start there. Second I suppose you forget the thousands of women and children of Israel the PLO have killed. All they want is to be free? right but to them (PLO ) that means the annihilation of the Jewish people

The Arabs have killed tons of Jewish children as well. That they've been utterly humiliated in every war they've fought with Israel doesn't give them the moral high ground by default.

'-for SOME reason unknown to me, America continues to support Israel in whatever trouble they cause and however many people they kill'

Because there are 160,000 voting 'Americans' living there...what a crock.

Lets see... 'fighting for your homes'? You mean the ones in Lebanon or Egypt where you came from?

Ok so even ignoring the fact that Palestine was made up by the British who hated the Jews, that somehow gives you the right to murder children in their sleep? I know a hippy Islamic apologist such as yourself couldn't worry yourself with facts but the 'so-called' Palestinians have been murdering Jews for decades.

Look up any of the more recent horrific murders where Israeli babies and entire families were slaughtered.

Why? Because your brother-in-law doesn't want to move back to Egypt or Lebanon.

And why did he see his family killed and suffer PTSD? Perhaps find out if he or any of his family were the ones murdering babies in their sleep or blowing up busses full of school kids.

The fact that Israel pulled back and didn't drive the PLO and idiots like you into the sea was a mistake.

The record shows that Israel kills at least 20 Arabs for every Israeli they kill. Hate and violence only breed more hate and violence. Both sides are equally guilty of that.

Max^108 - what record? You just made up that factoid.

According to B'Tselem, The Israeli Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories. (Visit their statistics page, last updated August 31, 2012), since Sept 29,2000 (when fighting supposedly stopped) there have been 1097 Israeli casualties and 6,617 Palestinian casualties.

The numbers cited above include civilians and combatants killed by members of the opposing nationality (and therefore, do not include Palestinians killed by an explosive device that they set or was on their person, Israelis killed in 'friendly fire' incidents, etc.). The numbers also do not include the sizable number of Palestinians who died as a result of inability to reach medical care due to Israeli road closures, curfews, the Israeli closure of border crossing from Gaza, etc.

The figure for Palestinian deaths is extremely conservative, since it is difficult for B'Tselem to report on deaths in the Palestinian territories. The Palestine Red Crescent Society, internationally respected for its statistical rigor, reports significantly higher numbers of Palestinian deaths. We do not doubt the reliability of their data, and only use B'Tselem's more conservative numbers because they collect data on both populations.

The number from year to year varies. For example, in 2009 1034 Palestinians were "officially" killed, but only 9 Israelis were casualties. In 2002, however, 1032 Palestinians were casualties as were 419 Israelis. In 2011 there were 118 Palestinian casualties and 11 Israeli casualties. So the ration varies from about 2.5:1 in 2002 to aboput 30:1 in 2007 to over 100:1 in 2002.

It would be actually very easy to validate a figure of 20:1 depending on the time period chose.

That is a "factoid" from Israeli sources that can easily be googled.

For examples from last 12 years, look here: http://ifamericansknew.org/media/nyt-report.html

and here: http://shanna11.hubpages.com/hub/Israel-Palestine-Conflict-Death-Toll

The x20 figure is from the start of the conflict.

Courage your fractured invented history of Israel and the Arabs shoudl fool no one.The Jews returned to their homeland starring in the 1880's .It became a state in 1948 and the Arabs rejected their own state.Ane it was the Muslims who overan it in the 8th century and dominated it with the murders of Christians and Jews who were living there.They are the occupiers.There has never been a Palestine state in the region but the Jews had their own state way before the Muslims came.It is their historical homeland for the Jews who want to live there.The Muslims have Medina and Mecca.the rest of their lands were done by conquest.Yes of course there are Christian Palestinians but they too are dominated by increasingly finatics Islamists with sharia law being forced down their throats and who are a much greater threat to them than the Israelis.! THis come much closer to the truth than your invented stories..

Israelis don't kill Palestinian children....Palestinians do. They use their children as human shields and attack a foe that is much stronger...than they act surprised when Israel retaliates. Are they stupid/ What would the U.S. do if Mexico starting launching rockets into Texas?

What about the Israeli children killed by Palestinian suicide bombers and rocket attacks killing tourists?...where was your outrage then?

BTW..Israel gives millions of tax dollars to the Palestinians. No mention of that by you either. And thank you for communicating on the internet using the TCP/IP protocal invented by a Jew. What have the Palestinians done for mankind?

There will be no peace here until the Muslim Brotherhood is dismantled.M.B. started Hamas after they were banned in most Arab nations (Syria nearly wiped out the M.B. for good reason). The M.B. has a plan that they have been carrying out for at least the past 30 years that I have been able to trace. The plan is called The Muslim Brotherhood Project..look for it and read it for an eye opening experience.. the cornerstone of the project is to unite all Muslims behind a cause and that cause is the Palesinian State. In case you are wondering who killed Arafat.. it was the M.B. because he signed the Peace Treaty with Israel. Also befor you look for the Project make sure your anti virus is up to date and working... any time I have ever spoken against the M.B. someone has attacked my computer with a trogan.. if you see the ad "Language Professors Hate Him" which will be a pop up behind your on line screen, you need to check your system. Mcafee has a "stinger" tool to remove it. The tool is free and you do not need to have Mcafee installed on your computer. So after I post this I will probably have to clean my computer. I truly hate people who try to silence others.

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Dr. Ezz-El-Din Abu El-Eish, a Palestinian doctor, had his 3 daughter and 1 niece killed by idf thugs. He must have used them as human shield in his surgery.

You wanna talk about Israelis killing Palestinian children ? When did you ever see Israelis celebrating in the streets and THROWING CANDY when children and families were blown to bits in pizzeria bombings ? This throwing candy ritual symbolization is something jews do to celebrate things like births and engagements. The palestinians do it when innocent civilian lives are horribly and massively obliterated. Golda Meir- the highly revered ex-prime minister of Israel said back in the 60's that the jewish people could forgive the palestinians' killing of jews, but what they could NOT forgive, was the Palistinians forcing the Israelis into killing. You dont see THAT in the comic books and childrens' textbooks in Gaza or the West Bank. These people are SAVAGES. Worse than savages. Capitulation doesnt satisfy them, it emBOLDENS them. And you'd do well to consider that if/when there's no one left to hate in Middle East, they'll turn their sites to you/us next. Y'all need to wake up and see the world for what it is; not how you wish it was or how someone else wishes you to see it. If not, shut the heck up and get out of the way. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution.

greenvan - Here is a story about the 5 dancing Israelis, who were caught celebrating their handiwork. They rigged the WTC towers to fall in controlled demolitions.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A3dW_gUwOg

RalphH... wow, did they let you out of your rubber room or what ?

Yeah well then they can do it on their own.

You absolutely can go in and steal their things if you can get away with it - that is, if they are unable to stop you. Power needs no excuse for its exercise. That might not conform to any popular system of ethics, but power quickly dismisses with ethics when it's inconvenient and only cites them when it serves its purpose. Surely you can come up with a few thousand examples of that on your own.

You will not shed a tear because you will not see the destruction of Israel.

rath - didn't you once go under the name 'McGrath" posting hateful remarks? where you suspended and had to change your name?

Gary - hate speech isn't very nice. And calling for the destruction of a country is pretty bad.

As to terrorists I guess you have blinders on because with the PLO and the terrorist acts from them the area would be nice and calm.

Stop killing Jewish babies in their sleep and blowing up busses full of school kids and we can talk.

Until then you should be banned from newsvine for a long time for saying such things.

couragelovepeacelive ... YOU must be confusing the Palestinians with the Philistines. NO Palestinians around when Israel got their land.

1250 BC: Israelites began to conquer and settle the land of Canaan

That is a pretty LONG time ago. So yeah I guess it IS Israeli land. Get over it!!!!

Is that Toasty?!?!?! lol

Yes, Israel will do whatever it takes including but not limited to attacking its "allies" as demonstrated by the following acts of terrorism against the United States and its interests:

Lavon Affair

Apollo Affair - stolen nuclear material

USS Liberty Attack

Bombing of the King David Hotel

Selling illegal nuclear weapons to South Africa

Dancing Israelis arrested on 9/11 in vans full of explosives (google the FBI files via FOIA)

Selling American tax payer funded Patriot Missiles to China. Yes, china.

I could go on and on but the truth of the matter is OROMNEY ROMBAMA are puppets of the world plutocratic despotism and they realize that they must placate a group of people that make up less than 0.3% of the world population. Obama placates israelis by continuing to attack and enrage Muslim countries via occupation/ drone strikes. Romney just wants all out war. Not for nothing, for a grouping of people who are so statistically insiginifcant, this same group of people is disproportionately over represented in Government, Business, Education and not to mention False Flag military operations against its "allies".

That being said, do you see that ground these politicans are standing on? Its called America and in America you cannot serve two masters. Wake the flock up. Remember the USS Liberty and please stop sending my hard earned tax money to these rogue terorist states - Israel included.

Eamon Early, Can we also remember US Ambassador Cleo Noel, US Charge d'Affaires George Moore, and Belgian Guy Eid gunned down by Black September Palestinian terrorists in the basement of the Saudi embassy in Khartoum March 1, 1973 under orders from Yasser Arafat?

That nasty terrorist state will be destroyed

you must be talking about iran, syria, pakistan, afghanistan....

nope, I wouldn't shed a tear if any one of those places were destroyed either.

Bombing of the King David Hotel

oh you mean the "king david hotel" that waqs garrisoned as used as a command center by the British?, that "king david hotel"?

kind of fast and loose with little things llike facts, aren't you eamon?

but hey as long as you get a chance to wipe out the jews once and for all, that fits your agenda of extermination and genocide perfectly

Yeah, stealing land from people who have lived on it for thousands of years

A pretty substantial amount of the Arabs living in historic Palestine in 1948 were relatively new arrivals (first or second generation immigrants from Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Egypt) who moved there after the influx of Western educated Jews created a transformation of the countryside and subsequent economic boom in the early 20th Century. This information is readily avaiable (Howard Sachaars book comes to mind) for anyone interested in reading about it.

Even Arafat himself wasn't a native of historica Palestine, but a, (wait for it), EGYPTIAN immigrant. This you can simply look up on wikipedia.

Thousands of years? For many of them this definitely was not the case. Not that it really matters as a matter of policy - just calling attention to the fact that you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Jews were the original inhabitants of current Israel portion and more areas!

From where do the Muslims come in the picture and what rights do they have in Israel?

Muslims/Palestinians are invaders and they should be driven out!

Iran hasn't attacked anybody in 300 years. Why would it attack Israel? Are you crazy?

The information on the assassination was well-known. The US had been putting pressure on the old dictatorial Tunisian leadership to keep it hughed up. The release of the Wikileaks cables, showed not only how much of this stuff was being hushed up by the Tunisian government, but exposed a huge amount of corruption and bribery that the US was aware of. This was what had started the "Arab Spring." But until now the new Yunisian government was trying to keep a lid on it until emotions had settled down in Tunisia. The new government did not want to give jihadist groups a reason to agitate against Israel until a new functioning government was in place. Now that new government has allowed the censorshiop to drop enough for a Tunisian newspaper to publish the story, corroborated by an interview with an Israeli commando who participated and fired the fatal shots.

This won't piss the Palestinians off much more than they already are. Mostly they believed that Israel had engineered the assassination in the best case, and executed it in the worst case. The Israeli government has a very long record of assassinations against primarily political figures.

I am in agreement with the Tunisian government. A valid case needs to be brought before the International Criminal Court and let the courts decide. This is a good indication for democracy and the rule of law in Tunisia.

moshe moshe Why do we have to protect Israel It MAKES NO GOOD SENSE

Robert,

Whatever makes you think that Moshe Moshe (formerly known as Abdallah Abdallah) is protecting Israel?

He though he was being sarcastic, he just happens to stink at it.

Or at least the House of David semi-pro baseball team. I saw them play once around 1953 when I was a kid in Knoxville, Tennessee and they were great! They all had to have beards to play and then could not cut their hair or beard as long as they were on the team. They even had baseball "yarmulka."

I know it isn't related, but I like passing on that sort of trivia.

farideh wow. now you are defending drone attacks which is condemned by most human right activists. First of all terrorist is a vague name used. to some it is terrorist, to some it is freedom fighters and to others it is millitia as they were called during 1774 when the 12 original colonies united and stood against the british imperialism. both al quida and taliban are product of u.s . they were created by cia. mostly trained in pakistan. so when taliban was fighting russia, they were freedom fighters, but now they are terrorists. by the way there are proven fact that %80 of the drone victims were in fact civillian. I don't know what your agenda is.

sure .. terrorism has some fuzzy lines. But can we all agree blowing up school busses and pizza parlors is on the wrong side of that line no matter where you draw it ? Lobbing hundreds of rockets into residential neighborhoods should be too. Israeli military action targeting a specific car or motorcycle and taking out their intended target isn't the same thing, and if you think it is .. well ... that defines YOU; it doesnt define terrorism.

Greenvan, that's okay. Israel now has their Iron Dome anti-missile system that the U.S. shelled out between 5-6 billion dollars to the IDF for in R & D. Think the U.S. will get any of that technology or systems back from Israel? If so, guess again. We the taxpayers got s*#@*ed royally!

Half of the tech used by US army is developed in Israel, along with some of the tech you use in daily life.

greenvan. actually for every isreali that has been killed there are more than 20 palestinian. so who is terrorizing who. the isreali's demolish school, shops, hauses, farms and etc... the isreali regime is getting more isolated in the world community. they are the master of decption and people are becomming aware of that. lobbing hundreds of rocktets that hardly hit anyone is no comparison to clauster bombs that isreali's throw in palestine and leave behind thousends of ready to pop boms behind .stop suppoting Isreal blindlessly.

Eli, I was referring solely yo the Iron Dome system.

Rameshm2, so are you inferring two wrongs make a right? If so, that kind of thinking belongs in the Middle Ages along with the rest of the majority of radical Muslim extremist ideology. Nobody's hands in the region are lilly white. There is enough blood on the hands of all sides to go around, even ours. Only when both the Israelis and the Palestinians are willing to sit down, put aside the hate, anger and distrust ,and act responsibly will the violence end. The only losers are their innocent children and their children's children who will just continue the cycle of violence and hatred down the years, eventually without ever knowing why. The same goes for Israel and Iran. The blame games need to stop now! There are enough good people on all sides to put a stop to things. They just need to force the maniacs running their governments stop and listen. It will be hard and there will most certainly be more bloodshed, but I believe it can be done. Enough is enough and we need to do the same. Not trying to argue here, just to offer a different point of view.

Ed,

If you are calling for both sides to wise up and not just support Palestinians against Israel, you should not have a problem with the Iron Dome. It allows Israel to protect their citizens without harming the other side. I does not get any more pro-peace than that.

Rameshm,

I know it frustrates you that Hamas managed to kill so few Jews, but you can take comfort in knowing it's not for the lack of trying. If you are so concerned about losses on Palestinian side, I can tell you a little secret: all Palestinians have to do is not shoot at Israel, and all those losses will be avoided.

If not shooting at all is not an option, there is a way to avid harm to schools, hospitals and apartment buildings: just don't launch rockets of their roofs and don't keep your military supplies in their basements. It's that simple. Such ideas would never occur to you , would they?

Eli, I do understand what you are saying and I agree with you for the most part. My comment was meant simply that last I heard, and this came from folks I know in the defense industry, that Israel had not shared any of the data on Iron Dome so far. Perhaps because it is still just out of the prototype mode, they are keeping things a little too close to their chests. If we shelled out all that money on it, we deserve a return on our investment and have not seen anything so far.

Ed-NavDoc

I wonder why they have not shared any of the data yet. Especially to those who are their strongest ally, hmmm maybe (and this is only a maybe) it is having the same problem as the Patriot Missile system did in the 1990s, you know that it didn’t work but because they had invested so much in it they couldn’t really admit that it didn’t?

I wonder how you guys know so much about dealings of military ministries, especially about weapons, that sounds like the kind of info that should be made top secret.

Eli, Iron Dome has been discussed on recent shows on the Military Channel. Discussing lack of technical details does not violate security. Please reread the second sentence in #11.8 for clarification. Iron Dome itself is not a secret. Only it's technical details and inner working are. The friends I mentioned would not divulge classified info if they knew it to be so.

Losmuertos, the problem with the Patriot missile system was that while the idea was sound, the technology and software base then available just did not allow it to live up to it's potential. Might or might not also turn out to be the case with Iron Dome. Only time will tell either way.

Ed-NavDoc

I know what the problems with the Patriot system was, I also know that the military had invested so much cash into it that they were very reluctant to admit that it didn’t work, indeed they only had to because it came under congressional investigation, and even then they tried to weasel out of accepting that it failed, I do remember when they defined “intercepted” as ‘it came close to the enemy warhead and passed it in mid-flight’

Losmuertos

You'll get no argument from me. It was ultimately just another weapon system that failed to live up to expectations. Government contractors are in fact notorious for not admitting to a system that does not work. Remember the Navy's A-12 Avenger project years ago from Grumman? Look at how much money got poured into that along with numerous cost overruns before it was shut down. Billions down the toilet for no return!

Ed-NavDoc

"Remember the Navy's A-12 Avenger project years ago from Grumman?"

Actually I don't no :)

It was the Navy's first attempt at a stealthy airframe fighter bomber that never made it past the prototype stage. There were so many bugs in the aircraft that it cost Grumman, and ultimately the taxpayers a small fortune before Congress cancelled funding for the project. It was a freaky looking aircraft that was a flying wing design that bears a strong resemblance to the unmanned recon drone that the Iranians are so proud of having gotten hold of a while back. You should be able to Google the A-12 Avenger. It makes for interesting reading regarding the aerospace industry's corporate greed.

Losmuertos, I wish to correct an error above,. The A-12 Avenger II was by McDonnel Douglas not Grumman. Sorry for the mistake.

You're a little out of touch, @Roger. The current Tunisian government was formed based on free and open voting in October of last year. Numerous poll watchers from around the world (including Jimmy Carter's group) validated that it was a substantially honest electionThe current President was elected by their legislature (who were all elected in Oct 2011) and is a civilian. Moncef Marzouki is a former dissident and veteran human rights activist. He is considered a longtime expert in the field of "transition" from dictatorships and military governments to democratically elected constitutional republics. He spent several years studing both South Africa's handling of the dismantling of apartheid and India's transition from British colony to an independent state.

This is someone who will be very friendly to the US in the future because he is a human rights activist. But also he has a worldview that is liable to produce a secular government that adopts much of Sharia Law that does not conflict with good civil governance. For example, Sharia Law specifically gives women a much lower legal standing than men. Tunisia's new constitution will, however, more likely give equal rights to women.

Tunisia has never been a threat to Israel except in your own mind. Far from it, Tunisia would prefer to be like Turkey and maintain "arm's length" good relations with Israel.

You are dead wrong. If Natanyahu wanted a war with Iran, he would have done it during the run-up to the election and FORCED Obama's hand then, rather than take the chance of another 4 yrs of Obama during which he knows there's NO CHANCE Obama would rise to the occasion. If Natanyahu really wanted to interfere w the US election, he would have struck during the election. An Obama "spine caveing" at THAT point would have ensured Obama's defeat; and Obama's spine caving isnt exactly a far fetched possibility. Remeber, it took Obama SIX months to give the go ahead on the Bin Laden operation. Some say it took guts. Personally, I see it the other way around. He WIMPED for 6 months and couldnt put it off any longer. ( Pressure from military, increasing chances of a leak and Bin Laden running again .. he put it off as long as he could and THEN SOME.

logic of life. you are being illogical. there are 177 million muslim live in india and if i am not mistaking sonia mirza the indian star tennis player is muslim. saying that all muslims are terrorists is very narrow minded. siding with isreal and following isreali's foot steps will do india no good and will isolate your nation. as I have mentioned that to you before the problem that exist between india and pakistan is more of a territorial problem than anything else and you have the british to blame. I am not a muslim nor do I believe in any other relgion. religion is being used to devide people and conquer them . don't fall in this trap. Isreal is ranked the 4th most dangrous country in the world . india does not want this. here it is for you to read .

http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-is-world-s-fourth-most-dangerous-country-study-says-1.277243

Question: IS anybody HERE, such a Huge "Doofus", that Actually BELIEVES
that moshe moshe, at #20, is REALLY and ACTUALLY, an Israeli Jew....?!!

and NOT a Sunni Arab....?!!

Doofus !

Moshe Moshe's rhetoric hasn't fooled anyone.

Here is another double entendre by Moshe Moshe; it's a blantant Freudean slip that unmasks his failed attempt at deception, or shall we call it taqqiya, the modus operandi of the desert warlord Muhammad, the inventor of Islam.

[From 5.2 above]

"But, lately (In the last 3-5years) it became apparent that if we insist , we would get our way with US. Israeli lobby in US really did a fine job of putting congress in the payroll."

Whether true or not, which sane Israeli would publicize such a notion?

Meanwhile, bridge for sale, bargain, half price.

I have to admit I didn't even know he was gone. I didn't miss him. The commando didn't miss him either it appears. If you want to shed a tear, shed it over the children who were killed on the bus that the palestinians blew up....which, by the way, didn't have any Israeli commandos on it.

Romney wouldnt use nukes against Iran. Put down the bottle. You've had too much already.

I would say the threat of nuclear war is inevitable at this point. How widespread this war could get we will see soon. The threat of nuclear war is best reduced if no countries have nuclear weapons. A pipe dream, I'm sure.

gary hanson.. If they do it , it wont be their first time. andrew adler publically announced that if obama let iran get a nuclear weopon, mossad should assasinate him. Just imagine what the FBI would do if a muslim said something like that. there is a lot of speculation that JFK might have been assasinated by mossad since he was in disagreement with isreal acquiring nuclear weopon and he was determened to stop them. he was assasinated and the next president gave them free pass. this is an article about andrew adler posted in huffington post.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/20/andrew-adler-atlanta-jewish-times-obama-assassination_n_1219720.html

Sure Ron...Genocide is the answer...ask any Jew

Daddy

Who the f said genocide, just get rid of killers who kill your innocent people. I am sure the school system in Wisc taught you to be a stupid moron. I am sure you must also have backed the murderer bin laden a hole.

The great state of Israel did the same thing the US did when we shot up bin laden, did you approve of that or are you anti US

Ron...I have no desire to stoop to your level. Enjoy your week off.

So a country that didnt even exist becomes the overlord of the USA over-night ? Puh-Leeze !

We, that is the US of A - didnt lift a finger to try to stop the German extermination of the jews; FDR wouldnt even bomb the tracks of the trains he KNEW were carrying thousands of people to gas chambers in concentration camps. Then in 1948, the few surving jews with no material wealth are given a patch of desert land and WHALLAH - they own/run the US and dictate it's forign policy ? You're just regergitating trash talk you've heard repeated so many times you think it's true. Give my regards to the tooth fairy when you see her, schmuck.

yes, coffee would do it. You would have loved them even more if they gave you a sandwich too. You are dead wrong. I have been tehre. Are you on food stamps?

Older Israelis may sound obnoxious , but, in reality, they are wonderful people. they just do not know how to show good qualities that are buried deep inside them.

People who have buried their good qualities have chosen to be A. holes. The Jewish people have added much to the worlds knowledge. There was a time when Muslims added much knowledge. They both have so much in common that if a listener didn't know to whom he was talking there would be no way to tell the differance. Hate is how you live and hate is why you die.

GK, I really don't perceive that happening, although it would be nice. Look at it this way. How long has the Civil War been over here? 130-140 years or so, and the South still rattles the sabor. A tradition that is passed on from generation to generation. I feel the same will happen between Palistinians and Israelies. They have long term memories.