I'm sorry, but Israel can defend their own right to exist with the biggest nuclear arsenal in that part of the world.

I hope the payback will be swift: NO MORE MONEY for Israel!

Maybe Shelden Adelson can spend his money subsidizing Israel's Military Agenda now... Now that he was unable to purchase the Presidency with money and lies.

I wish Israel well... but America can not and will not be treated as their puppet!

As long as there are American traitors like Gingrich and Romney, people like Adelson will be buying them to help out his tribe.

@Rick,

If Israel strikes Iran pre-emptively, the US will kick the whole thing into the UN for resolution. The US will NOT support an Israeli first strike.

And any cooperative Isreali/US strikes would be very problematic. The US Naval forces in the Persion Gulf would be sitting ducks for Iranian missiles and subs, as would shore-based facilities. You have to remember that Iran is roughly ten times the size, ten times the economy, and ten times the size in military force as Israel. It would not be a pushover. And any attack on Iran would cause the immediate closure of the Straits of Hormuz. This would plunge both the European and Chinese economies into chaos. And these are just a few of the reasons why it will not happen.

You have to remember that Iran is roughly ten times the size, ten times the economy, and ten times the size in military force as Israel.

Size doesn't always translate to power. North Korea has a HUGE military, but it can only threaten South Korea, and any attack would fail in the long run, for instance. Iran's military has been cut-off from Western high-tech weaponary for some time now. It is a bit like Romney complaining that our navy is smaller than in 1916 (or whatever year) without taking into account the tremendous firepower and technology of our ships today vs. nearly a hundred years ago.

I dont believe that. I believe Israel is now on her own and if anything, Obama will continue to hamper Israels efforts to stop Iran from obtaining a nuke bomb and to establish peace under terms it can live with. Obama is a disaster for Israel and the president sets the agenda not the nebulous concept of the USA will always back Israel.

DAMN, just delete a whole sub-section, that's pretty powerful, was it anti-Obama and pro-Israel?

Just think, I had just posted, Netanyahu was looking for a "war-monger," and it didn't work for him, but great for America. We don't need another war in the Middle East.

If another country attacks Israel unprovoked, I have a problem with that.

If Israel attacks first, they are on their own! Keep that in mind, Bibi.

Netanyahu needs to dump Adelson and realize that he made a huge error in almost openly working against President Obama's re-election.Many people told him not to interfere in our elections. But he wouldn't listen to them. There an old truism that,"if you strike at the King,you better make sure you kill him". Netanyahu,and the Adelson bunch missed,so they now will pay the price for it.

Its high time that Israel realizes that an ally is not necessarily as "go-to-war partner". We got your back, not your side. The United State will not go to war with any country unless its a last resort to protect the citizens of the US. We will help and assist Israel when required should they chose to go to war with Iran, but we should not send troops, ships, or aircraft that conduct strikes upon Israel's enemies unless Israels wants to pay for the costs of our involvement and its a last resort to save Israel from irradication. They are a thorn in our side both militarily and economically.

Nobody wants to see a nuclear Iran. If it gets to the point where it looks like the Iranians are close the rest of the world is going to be calling for Iran to be vaporized - it won't be JUST Israel.

@ Vitalious-2743852

@Chris-749391

Why are you spreading misinformation?

Because Chris gets his information from Faux News, perhaps? Or, even worse, CBN?

America has a love affair with Israel that is deeply rooted in a misinterpretation of eschatology, and of course the belief in it to begin with (i.e. mythology, superstition, religious nonsense, etc.)

I don't think anyone could be elected President that openly stated this...then again, I wonder if anyone in our political system is even aware of it.

I don't care if Israel wants to start a war in that part of the world. But they must realise THEY REAP WHAT THEY SOW. I don't want to be in a conflict Israel starts.

Poor Benji, he won't have a puppet in the white house to do as he's told. Israel does have a right to exist. However they do not have a right to influence our elections.

Now that Romney is done here he can run for Prime Minister of Israel!

Vit - you have excellent points. Too bad you had to resort to name calling.

First of all i am not against the Jewish People - I have had dear friends that are Jews. I should have said the current government of Israel will have to do it alone if they do not want to come to terms with their strategic situation. Better?

True payback would be for the US to declare AIPAC an AGENT OF A FOREIGN POWER (which it clearly is) and break its strangle-hold on US politics!

Israel’s fear is that the United States will reach a compromise with Iran that Israel cannot live with................

..........Under Obama, Israel also expects more pressure to resume talks with the Palestinians. Netanyahu, many Israelis and Hamas, the Islamist group that rules Gaza, as well as many other Palestinians believe that is pointless.

If any negotiations involve a harder stance on Israel's blatant violation of the Geneva convention and requires them to give back the occupied land that Israel builds illegal settlements on, then Obama will have bigger ball$ than any sitting President in the last 30 years. That is what would change my mind about Obama's effectiveness.

I don't care what Party they belong to, just as long as it gets done!

Supporting Israel is a boomer issue. Millennials really don't care about it. But they do care that more than 4 billion a year goes to Israel and that it blatantly influences US policy through AIPAC. Israel is a nation that sells AWACS technology to China, sank a US ship in a false-flag attempt (USS Liberty), and actively undermines any attempt by the US to look after its own strategic interests. They talk a good peace on the surface but always do their utmost to sabotage any chance at a fair two state solution - using the time to grab more land. A two state solution is in the US interest and it is US policy. So why give 4 billion a year to a nation that opposes US interests, makes other nations hate the US, and sells weapons to help China shoot down US pilots?

So the millions care about 3 (not 4) billion a year going to Israel, but perfectly at peace with 50 billion a year going to Arab states, right?

Those are always working in US best interests, right?

First of all i am not against the Jewish People - I have had dear friends that are Jews.

Of course you have. I'll bet you've even had a black friend or two in the past. I'll even take it a bit further and bet that you even eat Asian food sometimes.

Better?

um...no...not even.

netenyahu, putin,the chinese, and even his so called friends like chavez. along with merkel, and other european leaders,and hostile one's like iran,saudi arabiaetc.. no that obama is intimidated by them. nothing could be more satisying to sinister leaders,or friendly one's. than to know that he will cower in there presents. sending valerie jarrett. iranian born,and a chicago slum lord. over to quatar. to deal privatley with them. is a joke. eventhough he won the election. his prsents in the debates. showed he has a glass jaw. when he got hit. he staggered,and his only recovery. was sandy crowley. 56% of the 18-29 year olds voted for him. not for a future of prosperity. but to play out there futures. in their folks basement. bitching about everything. hoping that the unsastainable welfare state will keep serving them. good luck with that. like they say. ya get what u pay for. the only skill he has is a voice for the always agitated liberal. i pity him if the hand outs stop. he will be deluged. with turncoats.

Obama’s Woman in Tehran Meet Valerie Jarrett – Obama’s secret envoy to talks with Iran

By Alex Fishman

Valerie Jarrett, senior advisor to President Barack Obama, is the key figure in the secret contacts conducted by the White House with the Iranian government. According to senior sources in Israel, the attorney from Chicago serves as the American president’s personal envoy for contacts with representatives of the spiritual leader Khamenei.

Jarrett, a close friend of Michelle Obama, is a central figure among the advisors to the president. She was born in the city of Shiraz in Iran to parents who were sent on an agricultural mission.

On October 21 the New York Times claimed that the American administration had secret contacts with Iran with the goal of opening direct talks immediately after the presidential elections in the US. A spokesman for the US National Security Council denied that there was any agreement between the Americans and the Iranians for direct talks or of any meeting after the elections, however, the next day senior officials in the administration confirmed that talks existed through a secret channel. They claimed, however, that no meeting was set between the sides.

The American administration made great efforts to minimize the contacts because central countries to the negotiations, like Russia, were not partners to the secret talks.

Israel was apparently surprised by the revelations. Today, however, senior officials in Jerusalem know of secret negotiations taking place between the sides for several months. The contacts, the sources say, were initiated by Jarrett and she serves as the head of the negotiations. Jarrett served, according to them, as the direct and personal envoy of the president to the secret meeting with the Iranians which apparently were held in one of the Persian Gulf emirates, most likely in Bahrain.

At the Iranians request, the talks will open – if they open – after the US elections and only if Obama is reelected.

According to the estimates done in the US State Department, the economic pressure on Iran will reach a climax at the beginning of next year – in February and March, immediately after the presidential inauguration. The direct contacts with Iran on a nuclear understanding are therefore expected to take place precisely in the same time frame that Iran will find itself under particularly heavy pressure. This confluence is likely to bring about positive results in the secret direct talks and in the P5+1 talks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/21/world/iran-said-ready-to-talk-to-us-about-nuclear-program.html?pagewanted=all

Surely one with COMMON SENSE would wonder WHY they LIED about secret talks???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nYKcMAHERw&feature=vmdshb

Ex-CIA Spy: Obama's Secret Deal With An Already Nuclear Iran (Full Interview w/Reza Kahlili Part 1)
WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!

chris. just wanted to correct you a bit. iran is not 10 times greater in size. iran is 81. times greater in size. roughly 1/2 the size of europe. actual land size is

iran: 1,636,000.04

isreal: 20,336.00

barry. I think that you are mistaking about iran millitary. since they have been under sanction, they have developed their own millitary industry and they seem to be doing pretty good with that. they have all kind of sufisticated millitary equipments. they have invested a lot of money to develope them in mass #s.most importantly if you look at the map of iran, they have all the eastern border of persian gulf which strategically is very essential, also they have many smaller islands which is set up with millitary bases. Iraq on the other hand borders a very small and tiny part of the persian gulf. U.S millitary is not as fool as you are. they know the war is not going to go good for them and they know that they can decide to start a war, but they can not decide to end it. you can check iranmillitaryforum.com perhaps you get an idea. obviously there is no millitary in the world that can match u.s . but again the afghani's defeated u.s and nato with $10 hand made bombs. that is a good example that you can start a war, but can not decide to end it on your terms.

d. russell . I strongly agree with you. now that we know that presidency can be won without the support of aipac and isreal"which we were left to believe otherwise"now we can start eliminating these agents and there agendas which is unconditional support for isreal at any cost to u.s. and it's people.

DITCHDIGGER. you are trying to misinform people, valerie garrett was born in shiraz, Iran to a pair of american who in shah's time when the relation was good worked in Iran. you make it sound like she is an Iranian. just giving false info and deceiving people is not working for the fox and abc and definitly won't work for you.

FEDUPWITHFED. so what exatly is your point. the government does a lot of secret mission that we don't know about. . But if this was a secret howcome we are discussing it here openly. If they wanted to keep it secret, believe me it would not be discussed here.

Vitalious wrote -

Iran Military Expenditure: 7.6B

Israel Military Expenditure: 15.2B

If true, it appears that Iran is not really that much into war, as the Israelis. Iran has not started a war with another country in almost 200 years.

He is wrong about the operational efficiency of the IDF, which was thoroughly humiliated by a small force of Hezbollah fighters in Lebanon. The IDF was exposed as a group of bungling cowards by a militia. The only thing that makes Israel powerful, is the large amount of air power, such as F16s, provided by the USA and of course their nuclear arsenal.

His post of Israels GDP, shows Israel doesn't really need our money. Israel GDP: 242B, GDP per capita: $32,000

Stop all aid to Israel, a nation of parasites, led by thieves and terrorists.

RALPHH. I don't lnow where vitalious got his info, but as far as I know the last time they reported iran had dedicated some 85 billion to millitary defence, but that doesn't mean that they are going to attack anyone. their millitary docterin is mainly for defensive purposes.

“We heard moderate speech from Obama following his first term victory, but his policy was inconsistent with the speeches he gave in Egypt and Turkey,” Nunu told the press. “He now has an opportunity to implement those promises to the nations of the region, far from pressures by the Israel lobby and politicized money.”

http://www.timesofisrael.com/is-obama-good-for-the-arabs-opinions-are-divided/

The Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood feels that the only foreign policy change Obama can bring is by “accepting the will of the Arab people.”

Eli, you're right. Let's not only cut off aid to Israel, but to Egypt, to Pakistan and to everyone else too. Let's use that money to help our own here in the U.S.A. If Israel wants to start a war with Iran, let them do it on their own and on their own dime. We have domestic issues to attend to here in our great country.

#2.23

In 2011 US had earmarked $34.5 billion for foreign assistance, of this 60% or $20.1 billion goes to Muslim nations (Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia etc), or those where a majority practice Islam. About 33% or the total budget, or $11.6 billion is awarded to Arab countries. http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/05/24/its-all-your-money-foreign-aid-muslimarab-nations

The suggestion of $50 billion aid to arab states is grossly misleading and erroneous.

Among arab nations, Egypt received $9.5 billion over a five-year period (2007-2012). In compariosn israel received over $15 billions over the same period. With such generous contribution form the US one would expect israel to be friendly to US. Yet we have the USS Liberty and the Jonathan Pollard episodes. Yeah, working in the best US interest!

You work so hard to dig something up on Israel, and all you got is one lousy spy, so you have to keep clinging on to a decades-old accident for the lack of better material.

Israel proves itself friendly to US, by providing intelligence, technological and military training.

If you wanted examples of hostility from Arab states, all you would need is turn on the TV and you would get plenty, but you would have much harder time finding examples of their friendliness.

OK, I checked and it appears that Muslim states get about 24bi per year.

My mistake, that's a lot less than 50bi, but still a lot more than 3bi, and certainly a lot to give to those who see you as Great Satan.

Here is an example of the intelligence, which Israel has provided the USA.

JERUSALEM (AP)
— Israeli intelligence overplayed the threat posed by Iraq and reinforced the
U.S. and British assessment that Saddam Hussein had large amounts of weapons of
mass destruction, a retired Israeli general said Thursday.

The
Israeli assessment may have been colored by politics, including a desire to see
the Iraqi leader toppled, said Shlomo Brom, who was a senior Israeli military
intelligence officer and is now a researcher with Israel's top strategic think
tank.

Brom
stopped short of accusing Israeli intelligence officials of intentionally
misleading Britain and the United States.

Brom told The Associated Press in an interview Thursday that "Israeli
intelligence was a full partner with the United States and Britain in
developing a false picture of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction
capability."

Brom
said the Israeli assessment may have been influenced by politics. "Israel
has no reason to regret the outcome of the war in Iraq," he wrote, noting
Saddam was an implacable enemy.

Brom ended his 25-year military career in 1998.
Career officers in Israel traditionally maintain close ties with military
colleagues after their retirement

Brom said the Israeli assessment may have been influenced by politics. "Israel has no reason to regret the outcome of the war in Iraq," he wrote, noting Saddam was an implacable enemy.

Brom ended his 25-year military career in 1998. Career officers in Israel traditionally maintain close ties with military colleagues after their retirement

Yossi Sarid, an opposition member of parliament, demanded an inquiry. "If
political factors interfere with intelligence assessments, heaven help us. That
is the greatest danger," he told Israel Radio, adding that Israel's
credibility could suffer.

"When we present dire information about Iran's arming itself with nuclear weapons,
who's going to take us seriously? They can say, 'You exaggerated about Iraq,
too,'" Sarid said.

Yup Israel goes off the deep end with rockets being bombarded everyday from Iranian backed terrorist networks!!

Yes, it is all about those rockets /sarcasm off

Deaths from the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (Since September 2000)

Of those killed in the conflict, 4,228 have been Palestinians, 1,024 Israelis

so you concur with racism?! I thought America was past this. Obviously something is wrong with the message if the message is racist.

It is all about stalling the peace process in order to steal as much Palestinian land as possible.

The term racist is being misused here. Both Israeli Jews and Arabs are Semites. In the time of Christ they were not different cultures but the same --- Aramaic. If you are an anti-Semite, you hate both Arabs and Jews.

Making anti-Jewish statements are anti-religious if you are talking about religion or anti-culturist is you are talking about culture. Even religion is iffy because both Islam and Christianity are "Arbrahamic" religions with Jewish roots --- in fact the Muslims split from Judiaism about 600 years after Christians did. Talmudic Law (which is used in deciding disputes by the Israeli Supreme Court) is almost identical to Sharia Law. Even the languages and food are very similar.

So racist is not appropriate --- Jews and Arabs are the same race.

As a "race" the Jewish people are no different than any other people in my mind, especially since there are religious Jews of many races.

But I am critical of the state of Israel. I'll bet many Jews and their supporters who would accuse me of racism for that, would not also accuse people who are critical of the Palestinians or Iranians, or Arabs in general of being racist. That's called a double standard, which brings us back to why I am critical of the state of Israel.

Chris-749391

Thank you for the post Chris. I'm getting really tired of posters going on about Arabs as a race, Jews as a race and lumping them in with Persians. Granted they all live in the Middle-East but have a much different historical background and perspective.

@kenn13 - where in my message did it say Palestinians? I said terrorist networks, and by the way i can make up numbers to and bold them... Palestine has killed 10,892 Israelis in 2001, while Israel took out 5,142 Palestinians.

@ Max 108

Your anti-semitic comments are juvenile and add no value to this blog. Maybe you could find something useful to say that could back up with some facts.

CBerry: Please clarify this sentence in your post.

"We will, of course, contuinue to support them because we have to but we don't have to like it!"

Exactly , why do we have to ??? It's not like they are a US state or territory.

DAB-588907 - There's nothing anti-semitic in Max108's comments except in your imagination. Classic race baiting on your part.

So racist is not appropriate --- Jews and Arabs are the same race.

I disagree. There are Jews of many, many different "races". There are American Jews, there are African Jews, there are European Jews. There are Jews from all over the place of all different sizes, shapes and colors.

But it is interesting to look at the Ashkenazi Jews. They did start out in the middle east well over 1000 years ago, then migrated into Eastern Europe (they developed Yiddish). But after WWII, there has been so much intermarriage that it would be hard to refer to that as a "race" if one ever could, more like a diluted "ethnic group". This is also the group that carries several genetic diseases.

But the big "tell" for me in referring to Jews as a "race" is that anyone can become Jewish. Not everyone can become black, or white or Asian simply by "converting".

@DAB-588907

I didn't think Max's comments were juvenile or anti-semitic. I think there may be a grain of truth in what he said. Stating an opinion that is not supportive of Israel is not anti-semetic. Supporters of Israel and Jewish causes are quick to toss out that label, and frankly I'm tired of seeing it over used. Israel is a country, with their own military and their own politics. Expressing disagreement with their politics is neither juvenile or anti-semetic. It often seems that Israel wants to be an ally of the United States when it suits them. When their government doesn't return the favor and people complain about it, supporters are quick to start accusing people of bias. Maybe people are tired of billions of taxpayer dollars being given to Israel annually, just to have Israeli leaders thumb their nose at our government. I don't have an issue with giving Israel our support, but I sure wish they'd at least show a little gratitude and not act as if receiving our support is their unconditional right.

support for Israel, from average Americans, is dying.

Oh, Ralph...Ralph...Ralph...wrong. Support for Israel is growing and I hear it in a lot of places. You would just prefer to have it your way. Well, this ain't Burger King.

@Dab - these are facts on the ground: Israel has been stalling the peace process for decades, and Israel has been grabbing Palestinian land more and more each year for decades. Apparently pointing out facts inconvenient to Jews is 'antisemitic'. Jews are stealing Palestinian land just like whites stole the land from my ancestors here in America.

chefaz. exatly where do you here that. the international community is fed up with isreal and isreal is losing the cry baby victom sh*t. it is like the boy that cried wolf. no one believes in what they say, and what they stand for. and this election proved that what we are fed as we need isreali, aipac aproval to win presidency was another lie.

Chefaz, I disagree with you. Support for Israel, the government not the people, is fading. Many people don't approve of the actions of the Israeli government ... unfortunately they are afraid of being labeled antisemitic if they criticize.

Well, I think it's perfectly possible to disapprove of the actions the Israeli government without being anti-Jewish. Just as its possible to disapprove of the American government and not be anti-American.

To rameshm2 -- you might have made a valid point, but I'm not sure. Grammar and spelling DOES count, at least enough to make a message intelligible.

Of those killed in the conflict, 4,228 have been Palestinians, 1,024 Israelis

That's right. It's Israel's fault that Palestinian terrorists are inept. Just like if a criminal empties their clip shooting at a crowd and misses them all, he should not be charged with a crime, right? <sarc>

@argue - it is a lot harder to kill people with a rock as compared to using most modern military technology given to Israelis by US taxpayers. Hence the disparity in the number of dead on both sides.

If you throw a rock at a guy with a gun, you give him a guilt-free pass to shoot you, he is certainly not obligated to wait for you to smash his scull.

@argue - it is a lot harder to kill people with a rock as compared to using most modern military technology

I guess the palestinians use slingshots to fire salvos of missiles into Israel. They shoot blindly and indiscriminately into Israel and then cry foul when a school they were using as a bunker gets taken out without anything getting damaged....but Israel is the bad guy for being a developed country instead of remaining in the stone age.

I guess we should strip our military of all advanced weaponry and limit ourselves to only what the other guy has available to them too, right?

We need to think better; If somebody throws a stone at you, you throw a stone back. No?

No, no, that's not socialism. If someone throws a rock at you you are supposed to give him your rocks so he doesn't have to go out and find more.

What is more indiscriminately is the use of cluster bombs and white phosphorous shells on civilan targets. This is not out of one's fantasy or imagination but reported in israeli own newspaper

http://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-commander-we-fired-more-than-a-million-cluster-bombs-in-lebanon-1.197099

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/news/israeli-armys-use-white-phosphorus-gaza-clear-undeniable-20090119

Buildings from which the rockets are fired or where weapons are held are not civilian targets even if they were intended for civilian purposes.

The moment Gazans started shooting rockets at Israel, they gave Israel a guilt-free pass to bomb the crap out of them.

I agree, the President needs to do what is in America's best interests, everywhere, at home and abroad. Not for the 1% or the 47%, but 100% of the American people.

I agree with you Lorelei that Obama is a big enough man to put aside the past and work with an ally going forward.

President Obama deals with this sort of problem every day. Some country doesn't like what he is doing and spouts off to the press. When that country gets in trouble who do they call 1 800 help USA. We respond.

That is the way the World works.

So...now that the election is over, you have time to research all the lies and hypocrisy your party's leaders spread across the country for four years.

When you are done with that, maybe you need to write your democrat or republican congressman and tell him or her to get their sorry butt to DC and stay there until our fiscal problems are manageable.

Dotties girl

Bitter much? Gee I'm sorry for your loss.

I agree. There won't be any petty payback.

Regardless, it's never a good idea for a head of state to tip his hand on who he favors in another country's election. A good politician will simply say that he will work with and support whoever the winner is and entertain both as guests if they want to visit, although hosting a sitting president is still a bigger deal than hosting a candidate, but that's expected.

Romney also broke the rule of showing his hand implying a military response prematurely, which doesn't leave one with an option if all the ones on the table aren't sufficient.

The Middle East and world are safer with Obama and not Romney as our player in this game.

Dotties girl - perhaps you can move to Israel. We won't miss you.

@Dotties girl..

You lost girl, get over it!! Pay your taxes like me, and help YOUR less fortunate Americans, or, are you one of those "me, me, me," people?

I love you people who say "you pay your taxes," you do understand everytime someone goes to the market, puts gas in their vehicles, to the store, they pay federal/state/local taxes too, right?

FOUR murdered Americans

That's all that died in Iraq/Afghanistan?

Such hypocrites some of you people are.

Just when I thought most right-wingers had either moved to some third world dictatorship,that fit their worldview.Or where talking to the suicide hotline today. Then I see DG's comment. Well at least she'll be around to fully "enjoy" the Presidents triumph.

Dottie ... Dottie. Please, take a deep breath and calm down. This board is for adults, not children having a temper tantrum.

Now on to the real issues.

Yes, we do need to support Israel. But that doesn't mean we are going to, or should, attack another country. It also means that we have to agree with or rubber stamp everything Israel does. And DISAGREEING does not make you antisemitic.

It is important for the leaders of our countries to get along, just as it is important for ALL leaders to do so.

So,when will "ALL leaders" include leaders of Islamic countries?

Research the history of the land in question. Prior to the Jews being awarded that property it was poor and undeveloped and nobody wanted it or cared about it. The Jewish people, being a productive group, brought prosperity to that area and suddenly the Muslims were all about it being theirs and they wanted it back. Same with the US - it wasn't the blacks or the hispanics who created the United States and developed it into a world power. We have seen what they did with the countries they did develop. Central and South America and Africa. Because they breed like rabbits they will soon turn the US into a second rate country as well.

The Muslims seem to forget that they didn't own the planet first with other races/religions moving into their territory. They make a big show of wanting back the "land they were on first" but then feel they are entitled to Spain. Why?? They certainly were THERE first. I think the world would be a better place if the Muslims just went back to the Middle East and got out of all the rest of the world. At least that way their particular insanity would be contained.

He's always treated Netanyahu with distain -- so nothing different there. Shame on the Jews that voted for BO -- they'll get exactly what they deserve!

You know Dottie I am a tax payer too and I am sure I pay a lot more than you, I actually own a home that is not on wheels like yours. You are angry because white trailer trash like you, didn't get your way. Maybe if you didn't hate everybody that isn't the same color as you of if they are gay or maybe you are just one of those Christian Taliban religious nut cases, just like the ones in the Middle East. So Dottie KISS MY A$$

I would like to second Dan's comment. Dottie, you can pucker up and smooch my liberal white butt!

Dan, Dottie, calm yourselves.

Take a deep breath.

Now, lets look at what has changed as opposed to the last 4 years.

The president is still a democrat. (not that it matters, the president has much less power than you think)

Congress is still in control by the Republicans.

The Senate is still controlled by the Democrats.

...SO! 4 more years of the last 4 years. I can deal. All the politicians will dance around the economic issues and deal only with social issues (abortion, gay marriage, etc.) Meanwhile, every law proposed by both parties that has a chance to fix the economy will be full of compromises, and making the economy worse, not better.

We will continue to spend money on a war started by a Republican, and being fought by a Democrat.

For those who voted Democrat, hope you enjoyed the last four years, because that's what you'll get this time around.

For those who voted Republican, nice try, better luck next time! :p

Dotties girl: What is WRONG with You?? Prez O is for WE Americans, meaning you also Dottie. He Does NOT want yet another War fought for israel, THIS TIME with Iran. This Rude oaf, netanyoohoo goes behind Prez O's Back to use his "re-line"charts on Americans to Suck them in USING OUR FINE YOUNG AMEICAN MEN AND WOMEN WARRIORS so "little jason" doen't have to leave his chic little, America Paid for, cocktail party in Jerusalem and fight for HIS country israel. Prez O IS THE ONLY PRESIDENT Who has The B@LLS to stand up to israel, it's fat BULLY netanyoohoo and its' overseers: aipac and joseph Caiphus lieberman.....What is wrong with you girl.? Prez O has his hands full trying to give a VERY NEEDED Enema to The House Of Reptiles to FLUSH OUT The Politoco Sewage like ryan, The BONER, and other seditious Politicos who Lick "bibi's" @$$ and will do ANYTHING to keep their Cushy jobs; And You cannot figure That Out?? What is Wrong with you Girl????

dottigirl. I think you have an issue seperating isreali's and jews. I think the shame is on isrealis who have dual citizenship here and sided with romney and netanyahu by 85%. being jewish is a matter of religion and tradition and it doesn't mean supporting a nut case skitzophrenic like nutcaseyahu.

Rameshm2 and Dotigirl,

On behalf of all American Jews,

We have nothing to be ashamed of. Some of us voted for Romney, some of us voted for Obama, and all of us had just as much right to vote as either of you, and any one of our opinions has just as much value as either of yours.

If either of you have any problem with Jewish votes, we'll put it right on top our we-don't-give-a-dam list.

Really Dan? Are you like a mind reader? Do you see visions of real estate and personel property of posters on the newsvine? You may not own a house on wheels, but you talk like a person who does. You have no class. You point your finger at Dottie about her "hate", but it is spewing from your heart through your fingers in this post toward her/him.

The reasons Jews tend to lean Democrat has nothing to do with Obama "being good through and through" (one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read--the man is a politician for goodness sake), and everything to do with the culture/religion's values. You obviously don't know much about Judaism and how it translates to politics here in America... Catholics tend to lean left for the some of the same reasons.

Dotties girl

No they're for democrats, which for the life of me I've never understood.

Oh I can explain it for you Dottie...they know why Republicans supposedly support them by encouraging them to go to war with their neighbors. It's much less about a love for Israel and much more about bringing about "the second coming". Why on earth would Jews want to be cannon fodder for Christian mythology.

OL- Why on earth would Jews want to be cannon fodder for Christian mythology.

Actually its a kind of Devil's bargain. The Israelis play on the ultra-Religious right's "second coming" beliefs to get unquestioning support. And the Religious right uses the Israelis,hoping to fulfill their fantasy ideas. As the saying goes "a pock on both their houses". We need to stop being used by both of these groups.

Interesting observation Uncle Bob. I'll have to digest that one.

To Grant/Sherman: NO, Grant would NEVER have gone along with the battle of cold harbor, which was General Mead's brainwork resulting in the slaughter of 10,000 Union Troops. You think Prez O is going to approve an attack put out there by israel's Fat Bully netanYooHoo?????

Yes, I think he would.

grand sherman. there is no proven iranian nuclear missel program. it is invented by isreali's to milk u.s for more and more money for their millitary adventures. both in 2007, and 2012 all the 16 us inteligence agencies have come to "Iran is not working to make a bomb"

Then let's here it from UN inspectors.

Bob

I know I know your pain ....and the rivers of American blood that are still flowing in muslim lands.

The only American blood that has been spilled on Palistine have been American tourists.

One by jumpin' in front on a Bulldozer in a war zone. The rest to muslim suicide bombers.

Yah thats right: muslim suicide bombers... those stinkin jews..... eh?

One of the real reasons George W. Bush invaded Iraq was Saddam Hussein's support for the Palestinian resistance. Did you fal for that WMD hokum?

Not another penny, not another bullet, not another drop of American blood for jewish rule of Palestine.

Are you just as concerned about American blood for Pakistan??? A nation that was carved out of India that had never existed before 1947.

Could you please tell me which islamic countries are mum or against Palestine???

I wonder what the people of Halabja would define as WMD???

http://kdp.se/old/chemical.html

chefaz.. who gave saddam the chemical bomb to use in halabja and in that regard on iranian people.lets for the sake of argument take the name of palestine and isreal out and discuss who is doing what to who. I am sure be it an arab country or western or any where else, people would side with the ones who are oppressed by the bullies.

I would say people would side with a civilized society who are threatened by terrorists.

Wow!

You really think you can pass for an Israeli by repeating Raplh's idiotic conspiracy theories?

Your statements regarding Iran would make sense if we were not dealing with a Muslim extremist dominated nation. You and I care about having happy lives and living in peace. They care about their 70 virgins in heaven. They don't care if they are taken out as long as they get to take out the infidel dogs.

The Palestinian leadership knows that and has publicly proclaimed that "we will win because the Jews love life as much as we love martirdoom"

This is one of the biggest mistakes that the western world makes when dealing with the arabs. We (wrongly) assume that their thinking and that their logic MUST be the same as ours. WRONG!

Joe-Your statements regarding Iran would make sense if we were not dealing with a Muslim extremist dominated nation. You and I care about having happy lives and living in peace. They care about their 70 virgins in heaven. They don't care if they are taken out as long as they get to take out the infidel dogs.

This is the same false argument that is always used by the Israelis,and right-wing Christians. If their arguments were true,the Iranians and all the other Muslims would have gone to war against Israel and the West and just kept fighting.They wouldn't be concerned about peace or ceasefires at all.They'd be expecting paradise at death through Jihad,so why worry. We need to stop demonizing people. That is one of the main causes of war in this world,people are people. As this election showed,we can disagree totally with our opponents ideas,but we shouldn't question their humanity (while at least at most times,lol).

kelcy. I agree with most of your points, but I don't think Iran would benefit from getting a nuclear weopon in ME region and have the reason to back it up.

1- besides isrealwho has"nuclear bombs" iran has tha strongest millitary in the region, and they are self efficient on mass producing them unlike the arab nation who have to rely on west.

2- Iran stratigically in every regard has the upper hand in MEand the persian gulf.

3- a nuclear Iran which could lead to nuclear middle east would actually balances the strategic position that Iran has and nutralize iran's strong strategic positioning..

so I think that the iranian realize that and don't want the middle east to become a nuclear region and probabaly that is the reason they are pushing for nuclear free middle east. and all the bs you hear from isreal about iran's nuclear program is to create fear and legitimize more billions of donation to the isreali's.

Then lets hear UN inspectors state loud and clear that there are no nukes in Iran.

The UN inspectors had stated loud and clear that there were no nukes in Iraq, yet Iraq was invaded.

Well, may be American government had learned their lesson and will listen this time.

There is only one way to find out.

I would have to agree.

We do not need to fund their military. If anyone attacks them our military will rush to their aide already. They don't need to be one of the best military's in the world when they have access to the best.

I am not sure anyone from the US can relate to how Israel feels. We don't have a neighbor with a president that regularly talks about wiping Israel off the map.

FACT: netanYooHoo and MittTaxPittanceRommel worked in the same Boiler Room selling worthless stocks to unsuspecting victims who lost money to this fraudulent pair; much like a since Shut Down company by the name of Stratton/Oakmont in NewYork. Would You believe this uncouth, crude oaf netanYooHoo, much less fight in a war cooked up by this Villain????????????

Phantom,

You sound like you bought some stock form them.

the world does not hate jews. I hate when people mix jews with isreal. there are jews all over the world and they are not hated. But if you want to pretent that, be my guest. that is the problem with the whole idea. If someone dare to say anything about isreal , you tag them with hating jews and being antisemite. you chose a nutcase to run you country and he is being hated by most people not because he is a jew, but because he is a bully , nut case and a paranoid skitzophrenic who war mongers, lies and tries to get in every countries buisiness. that has nothing to do with what you say"the world hate jews.

When people are deliberately misrepresenting the situation in Israel, trying to portray terrorists as innocent victims and make false accusations against those who are just trying to defend themselves, chances are that those people are motivated by antisemitism.

Israel has been as reasonable with their neighbors as one can be with those who refuse to be reasonable themselves.

Also, Israel never needed to be rescued by USA, right now they are actually holding back as a favor to USA.

Funny, because in the 3rd debate Romney said that he would do exactly what Obama has been doing in regards to preventing Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.

Your post is nothing but sour grapes, my friend.

You are obviously completely ignorant of international affairs. Try reading a book so you can make comments based on knowledge rather than hysteria. I suggest Yergin's "The Quest". No U.S. administration will allow Iran to get nukes.

more2bits-4021678

Israel will go it's own way and nuke Iran into the stone age within 3 months now that Obama is confirmed President as they really have no choice--Obama will do NOTHING to stop Iran from having the bomb and we all know it. He is arrogant beyond belief Obama and the world will pay the price.

Sorry slick...your side lost the election which means you don't get another war in the middle-east (at least for now). I know it's a disappointment and all you little chicken hawk neoconservatives were counting on another good war to help further your agenda of 30 years of wealth redistribution...but you just can't win 'em all.

Ol_Doc, I do disagree. I would prefer to avoid a war with Iran, but at this point I expect that it is inevitable. Israel will drag us in one way or another and probably soon. The question is how will Obama handle the mess that this will create. Because the first thing that will happen is that oil prices will spike, massively.

#16

That is why it is important for Iran to acquire nuclear weapons for self-preservation. Iran has no wish to be nuked to stone age by israel.

Kent

If we are stupid enough to get sucked into a war with Iran, the price of oil will be one of our our least concerns. Iran has a large, modern military; not at all like Iraq or Afghanistan. It's not that we can defeat them, of course we can; the problem is can we afford to go to war with them? And that's not just in terms of money, that's in terms of US Service Members. We are in a RIF (Reduction in Forces) and this probably wouldn't be a really good time to enter a high intensity conflict. We also have Sequestration looming over our heads. That is a 20% across the board cut to the Federal Government. That's going to impact new weapons procurement and more importantly systems replacement.

In a few days Congress goes back to work...a lame duck Congress. They have less than 2 months to solve the Sequestration and the Debt Ceiling. I don't see that they are any more likely to prevent this country from going off the financial cliff now than they were last session.

In less than two months Congressional partisanship and egos will crush this economy. I believe the Tea Party members and Neoconservatives will be looking for payback for this election. I further believe they are perfectly willing to throw the American People under the bus if it gives them their payback. It should be interesting to see what comes out of the other side. No, Iran is not the highest priority. Survival of this Country is.

Between me and you, W/out US, Iran can beat the crap out of us..

So you're saying, Israel talks a lot of trash but can't back it up? I thought you'll are always talking about the nuclear weapons you have, and you'd be scared to use them if Iran attacked you?

Do you have a hole in the side of your neck......

moshuluu,

Moshe moshe (formerly known as abdallah abdallah) has nothing to do with Israel, and he is trying to ignore reality, for that is his way.

Israel defeated 7 Arab states without any help from USA, and htey can take Iran as well.

However, without USA, Israel wont be able to afford restraint, many Iranians will die needlessly.

If you are OK with that, good for you.

eli100... yap no help from u.s , but somehow the war that they were losing very badly turned around. so it was not u.s how about britain and france.

1947 - no help from any of the above

1956 - some help from Britain and France

1967 - no help from any of the above

1972 - the very first help from USA, but only after Israel already turned the tide in their favor, and only because USSR started helping Egypt. If both USA and USSR had stayed out of it, Israel would clearly win.

You are not any kind of Israeli.

Liberal Israelis know that US never did any fighting for them and don't want anyone to fight anyone at all.

Poll after poll for decades has not born that statement out. Fallstaff. Fail

Israel may be the Biblical Jewish homeland, but they have to endure and conduct themselves as a nation apart from any religious identity or sympathies. And when viewed simply as another nation, they are not the blameless victims of aggression. There has been a ongoing tiresome quid pro quo of provocation, violence and finger-pointing. And with each passing year, the citizens of this country become less and less sympathetic.

About 50 years ago there was no sympathy for Israel at all, so they are still doing better in the long run.

Yea, you win for the most ignorant comment so far on this string.

kthor-3661338

If we all know that President Obama is "a pro-muslim American President who wants to help hasten the destruction of America being Democratic" (sentence doesn't even make sense), and the majority of Americans voted for President Obama...what are you saying; that the majority of Americans want to "help hasten the destruction of America being Democratic"?

By the way...small "d" democratic refers to a political system...large "D" Democratic refers to a party. Therefore you are implying that President Obama is a pro-Muslim who is trying to destroy the Democratic Party...making him a Republican.

Your logic is fascinating and very entertaining.

And the award for most ignorant comment goes to...

Ummmmm, I just don't know why the US has to be held hostage to Isreal. We dump billions of dollars there and what exactly do we get? And what is that pilgrimage by every US senator and representative and president about when running for election? Isreal has a lot to atone for themselves.

Just an oldie but a goodie - you are the poster boy for abortion.

lct1119-1378595

Ummmmm, I just don't know why the US has to be held hostage to Isreal. We dump billions of dollars there and what exactly do we get? And what is that pilgrimage by every US senator and representative and president about when running for election? Isreal has a lot to atone for themselves.

Wow, did you actually get that from kthor-3661338's post? That's it, you're hired as a official interpreter. I couldn't figure it out at all!

Huh?

Oh my God...what are you trying to say? You've done it! This is the most bazaar post I've ever seen.

I would say, "seek help", but I believe and education would actually serve you better.....moron!

Ummm - OK.

Two thumbs up! A fine example of Authentic Frontier Gibberish!