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Zalmai Faizi, a seven-year veteran of the Afghan National Police, last month buried his five-year-old daughter Ennah and 18-year-old son Zalkai after they were murdered by Taliban gunmen.
The Taliban were driven from power in Afghanistan 11 years ago this week but remain a threat. NBC News spoke to Afghans who have suffered at their hands and looked at what people believe the country's future will hold after NATO troops withdraw in 2014.
KABUL, Afghanistan -- Zalmai Faizi's two children were playing in his police car when the Taliban assassins pulled up on motorcycles.
After having a few words with Faizi's son, the gunmen peppered the vehicle leaving the teenager and his five-year-old sister dead. Faizi rushed out of his house to find his kids in a pool of blood.
As a police officer in Afghanistan's eastern Ghazni province, the 40-year-old carries out one of the world's most dangerous jobs. He paid an unimaginable price for his convictions.
"I have been getting threats since last year by the Taliban, but I decided not to give it any attention," he told NBC News. "I was not the target because I came home 10 minutes before. They had a chat with my son and then they started firing."
Faizi believes the Taliban wanted to teach him a lesson and send a message to others: Quit your job or pay a heavy price. He says he ignored the warnings simply because he had no other choice. He needed his monthly salary of $224 and had long-accepted that the job came with some risks.
'My only hope'
Like many of his countrymen, Faizi believes in a secure and safe Afghanistan. Without people like him, Afghanistan could fall into chaos or back into the hands of the Taliban and warlords after NATO troops leave.
Aref Karimi / AFP - Getty Images
More than ten years after the beginning of the war, Afghanistan faces external pressure to reform as well as ongoing internal conflicts.
He and his wife and their remaining kids are now in a desperate state, in fear for their own lives and catatonic with grief.
"I have lost my young son and daughter who were my only hope and for whom I had great aspirations," he said through tears.
Threats from the Taliban are a regular occurrence for all security officials in Afghanistan. The Taliban have sworn to kill anyone who colludes with "evil" Western forces. Faizi's kids were the latest in a long line of victims but such attacks are neither rare nor isolated.
Analysts believe such incidents -- as well as insider attacks by Afghan security personnel targeting NATO troops -- are part of a Taliban plan to weaken government forces ahead of a comeback when foreign troops leave.
Joint US-Afghan operations are becoming more common, and so are the risks. NBC's Lester Holt reports.
In the lead-up to the planned withdrawal in 2014, Taliban strategies have become both smarter and more sinister. Just last month, six Afghan policemen were poisoned by their cook. As they lay unconscious they were shot dead by another colleague. The Taliban's fight for survival has become increasingly dirty, driven by a determination that the group will rise again.
Notorious Taliban leader Mullah Omar remains elusive. Rumors of whether he is dead, alive or insane have gone into overdrive but his 10-year absence from the public stage has not lessened his influence.
"He remains an important leader and figure for the Taliban, but the Taliban is successful because of middle-level commanders," NBC News terrorism analyst Evan Kohlmann said. "It's like a franchise; it's decentralized enough so that the Taliban are going to be around whether or not there is a Mullah Omar."
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He describes the Taliban today as a patchwork of groups spread across large regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan borders, held together by common religious beliefs, social objectives and an opposition to foreign "occupation."
"At this point, they've put their differences aside in order to unite and fight the Western presence," Kohlmann added.
Soosan Firooz rhymes about Afghanistan and the many crises its people have faced. In a country where public performance by women is frowned upon, this is no easy feat. NBC News' Tazeen Ahmad reports.
Just over a decade ago, the world watched in horror as the Taliban blew up Buddhas in Bamiyan province and shot women at close range in a stadium in Kabul. Kohlmann says they have since, publicly at least, moderated and attempted to change their image so they can engage in the world of diplomacy.
However, many ordinary people in Afghanistan believe the same medieval attitudes to women and justice are simmering below the surface, along with the Taliban's long-established appetite for unpalatable brutality.
Jamieson Lesko / NBC News
When they ruled Kabul in the 1990s, the Taliban forced people who were being executed up on to this diving board and pushed them into the empty pool below.
Nowhere is this more apparent than in Kabul, where countless cemeteries sprawl across the city with no boundaries, some graves no more than a piece of rock in the ground.
Within these cemeteries, lie the bodies of thousands of ordinary Afghans killed by the Taliban. It's a stark reminder of the city's dreadful history.
At a hilltop above one graveyard is an Olympic-sized swimming pool. It was once the scene of heinous acts of cruelty when during the 1990s the Taliban forced people to climb to the top diving board and pushed them into the empty pool to meet a terrible death below.
Tazeen Ahmad / NBC News
Some of the graves in Kabul's cemeteries are no more than a piece of rock in the ground.
Today's Taliban now defend their record on human rights. Whether the people of Afghanistan have forgotten is another story. However, a decade is a long time out of power.
New tricks
The Taliban have regrouped, modernized, learned new tricks and taken their battle to many fronts – including the Internet. They use Facebook to gather information and Twitter to spread their propaganda. Every attack is tweeted about immediately with over-inflated claims of how many "invaders" were killed. They've even got an ongoing online spat with ISAF – with each side equally determined to win the war of words.
Away from cyberspace, some of the most notorious aspects of Taliban ideology have seeped into everyday life.
In recent months, violence against women has increased dramatically. Afghanistan's Independent Human Right Commission on Tuesday said it has registered more than 3,000 cases of violence against women this year. More than 700 cases have been reported in Herat alone.
Newlywed beheaded for her refusal to become prostitute
Others say the numbers are far higher in more remote regions. Women have been burnt, mutilated, decapitated, had acid thrown in their faces, sold, prostituted, raped and used as currency. Not all of this is because of the Taliban, but women's groups say this increase in violence is part and parcel of the Taliban's legacy.
A suicide bomber, disguised as an Afghan police officer, blew himself up outside a mosque in northern Afghanistan, killing 40 people and wounding more than 50. NBC's Tazeen Ahmad reports from Kabul.
Despite public declarations to the contrary, the Taliban have not relinquished attempts to derail education for Afghan girls. During the summer, 160 schoolgirls were admitted to hospital in northern Afghanistan after they were poisoned; the police say the Taliban were responsible.
Razia Jan, a strong-minded and charismatic Afghan-American, runs a girls school about 30 miles from Kabul called the Zubili Education Center. Remarkably, men in the surrounding seven villages have overcome their initial resistance and have now joined forces to become its biggest protectors. But the threat from the Taliban is never far away. Jan speaks cautiously, conscious of drawing too much unnecessary attention.
Karen Wong / Razia's Ray of Hope Foundation
Razia Jan's school provides free education to over 350 young girls every day.
"There are now millions of girls that go to school but education has been and is going to be hurt by the Taliban," she told NBC News. "They are supposed to be students of religion but they are thugs; they are terrorists."
This hasn't stopped Jan. Her school provides free education to more than 350 young girls daily. "It's such a blessing for them to learn something and go back home. The fathers are so proud," she says.
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These small signs of hope and bravery can be found across Afghanistan. Gul Jan, a 55-year-old woman from northwest Afghanistan's Shebarghan city is more courageous than most.
Her husband was murdered by the Taliban -- flogged, whipped and beaten for hours until he collapsed in front of their house.
Shortly after his death, they forced her out of her home. Determined to survive for her five young children, Gul Jan rebuilt her life and now works as a tailor. That's no mean feat for a single mother in Afghanistan. She does not mince her words about the Taliban.
"They are very bad people," she says. "People should go and ask them why they are doing this. This is not our religion."
In recent months, there have also been reports of 10 separate anti-Taliban insurgencies occurring in remote regions of Afghanistan. However, analysts say these small steps are not indicative of a wider trend, at least not yet.
NBC's Richard Engel examines America's progress after fighting for more than a decade in Afghanistan. Is there any evidence that the American plan to hand over a credible, stable Afghan government will work?
But in Kabul, there are other signs of change. The blue burqa, one of the most potent images of Taliban times, is not as ubiquitous as it once was.
Women across the capital wander around with full faces of make-up -- heads always draped with a shawl as is customary -- but also the flash of a killer heel beneath a long local robe, or the jangle of bracelets as they shop alone or in pairs. The tradition of a male companion has been long-deemed unnecessary.
PhotoBlog: Afghan women learn literacy through mobile phones
But as women wander through stores in central Kabul with names like "Life's Good," the shadow of the Taliban is never far away.
"For years the Taliban have destroyed Afghanistan. They destroyed lives for girls," Razia Jan added. "But I think they are just cowards hiding in places where nobody can get to them and they come out like a snake and they bite you and then they slither back."
She then adds with a smile, "I can imagine an Afghanistan that is someday free of the Taliban. It will take awhile, but I think it's possible."
NBC News' Jamieson Lesko contributed to this report.
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obama's pulling out our troops yet he made an agreement to keep a small force there untill 2024. With the small attachment our death toll will grow rapidly.
We left 10,000 troops in South Vietnam in April 1973. Two years later on April 30, 1975, Saigon fell. So, how'd that work out for us ?? Leaving troops in Afghnaistan (more than ONE), is insanely idiotic. It's proof positive our leaders have zero clue what they are doing there.
We've kept a small force in Germany, Korea, Bosnia, Japan...this isn't a conspiracy. This is what we've been doing for the last 75 years.
Something to keep in mind. The government never really tells the public real numbers in terms of men on the ground, It also dose not talk about what they are really there to do. The "the small force" they leave behind could be fairly big and it could be being left there with a vary specific plan to keep the Taliban disrupted and disorganized.
I think anyone who was watching the start of this particular war, knew we where going to not have an easy time backing out. Besides, like it or not, the Taliban can not be left to retake the country. This will embolden them and actually make them much stronger in the long run. Then, the world will be back to dealing with them.. This time though, they will be even worse.
"Faizi believes the Taliban wanted to teach him a lesson and send a message to others: Quit your job or pay a heavy price."
Taliban and other Islamic militants groups like Haqqani network are Paki inventions and Paki agents.
In Afghanistan, Pakis have proved to be most ungrateful and biggest backstabbers.
Here Bush, Jr did not have much ideas of Iraq or Afghanistan, toughest battle zones in the world.
Or else, how one could have Saudi Arabia and Pakis as allies on war on terror?
Paki Gen Mush, criminal and a backstabber, was Bush, Jr's friend/advisor. This backstabbing criminal is hiding in UK and his son is in the US!
Yeah, fixing that country is a good use of blood and treasure.
The Taliban are terrible but why is it our job to rebuild every country that has terrible people in it?
Because of the people we elected and then re elected and the money the weapons makers are getting.
TRAVIS: Get Real. See any of our soldiers getting killed in Japan, Germany, South Korea, etc.??? The soldiers we leave behind in Afghanistan will be sitting Ducks. Now i would agree to a small force if it included some of our politicians and THEIR Sons and Daughters. I'm tired of seeing our soldiers used for Cannon Fodder.
What do you think the "Infantry" job title should consist of then? Clearly it involves a tremendous amount of risk. Or do you think people should enlist just to get the free boots and not have to do anything else?
There should be NO Infantry or any other military units in Afghanistan period. You still don't get it. This war is useless. They admitted it when they said the Taliban would return when we leave. And how long do you think we should pour our Tax Dollars and men into that Bottomless Rat Hole? Isn't Eleven Years and counting enough for you??? And as for the "Free Boots" I would like to see our politicians and THEIR sons and daughters get some of these "Free Boots." Let's Share the Sacrifice.
We shouldn't be telling the Enemy about our plans of withdraw in the first place Period no matter where we are,It's suppose to be a secret,besides giving them a timeline for laying low so to speak before they go back to business as usual,I don't think having our guys in one of the most hostile areas in Lyiba was too smart either,especially when all other Allies withdrew,Im seeing a lot of bad Calls being made or not made if you will by this Administration.
Tarzan,
If GW had done what was right in 2002 when we went in there and kept his ass out of Iraq, we wouldn't have had to split our forces and could have concentrated on the job at hand.
Bush is an idiot. He should be in Prison, not collecting a Federal retirement.
I have always wondered why we conducted an invasion, when it was widely speculated, even in 2002, whether Bin Laden and Al Qaida were actually operating in Afghanistan in the first place.
Now we find out that Bin Laden and Al Qaida operated in Pakistan as early as 2003.
I appreciate that you care whether we are being used as "Cannon Fodder", but we all volunteer and are required to do what our leaders direct us to do. "I swear to defend the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..." It is, after all, what we do. Though that doesn't mean I enjoy seeing my brothers and sisters sent into meat grinders, and Afghanistan's Taliban was NEVER the issue, along with Iraq in the "War on Terrorism" as GW would love for everyone to believe.
I am proud of the job we did for Iraq during my two tours there. We should not have gone, and it is up to Maliki and the Iraq leaders to make sure we didn't waste our lives and money there.
Perry
Saigon fell because the democrats defunded the forces in Vietnam. This forced Nixon to remove them.
we'll pull home all our troops by the end of summer 2013 (asterisk, asterisk, asterisk)
You should read some history. American troops have been killed in Korea in small numbers since the end of active fighting. In Germany US troops and German citizens were killed by radical SS called "werewolves"
Not really sure what you expect the Pakistanis to be grateful about. In Afghanistan, they almost ruined their own country with the refugee outflow caused by the Soviets. As Charlie Wilson said:
When we went back the next time, again suddenly having become their best friends, they had no intention of giving away anything for free.
No matter how you define the morality of this, it is obvious that the Bush administration did not know how to deal with them - to them, the US was a cash cow and they milked us mercilessly in revenge for our earlier betrayal.
The Taliban is going to take the country back because these people will not fight back against them. Arming the regular people and then just GTFO might be more beneficial than leaving troops there to secure a useless "peace" process.
There are tons of people who want revenge on the Taliban but do not have the means to do so. I say give it to them and let them hunt down and kill the bastards. No courts, no law, only justice. Like the tribes have been doing forever.
Afghanistan has allowed their poppy crops to flourish for centuries.They allowed the Taliban to flourish.The Taliban only wanted to control the poppy trade and used religion as a guise.The U.S. gave the Afghans seeds and tools to plant wheat crops but they don't make as much profit and some have reverted back to their poppy trade.Their government needs to make it a criminal act to grow the poppies.If their government and military do not step up to protect the Afghans the Taliban will be back or some other desperadoes to destroy more of them.Education and a thriving economy for their citizens is key in solving this problem of invasion and genocide.
You are NOT US Military NOR even a Man or you would know why you were at Iraq risking your life, that or you were a REMF.
It was NOT up to President Bush (43) as Afghanistan was a UN Mission since December 2001, as Commanded by British General McColl (that did not have a clue about Asymmetric War Afghanistan).
In October 2001 we chased the Taliban, Al Quada, Islamic Jihadists out of Afghanistan along the Old Silk Road into Northern Iraq. Some fled into Pakistan.
In 2001 we augmented by the US Army 10th Special Forces Group conducted Operation Viking Hammer to eliminate the Taliban, Al Quada, Islamic Jihadists that fled into Northern Iraq and combined with the Kurdistanis PKK, HPG, KGK became Ansar Al Islam. Before we could completely eliminate Ansar Al Islam the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran gave them Islamic Sanctuary, with most of them going back to Afghanistan. British General McColl had no clue so he did not even do anything to stop them and those returning from Pakistan, so all our previous gains paid in our blood were lost.
In 2002 we started Operation Hotel California to prepare for 2003 Operation Iraqis Freedom to accomplish President Clinton's US Law, H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" Justification Section 2 Weapons of Mass Destruction, Section 3 US Policy Overthrow of President Hussein (Regime Change), with US Congressional Appropriations, as President Clinton previously failed with 1998 US Military Operation Desert Fox, that resulted in the Islamic World condeming the US as the Great Satan.
Iraq became a UN Mission, Nation Building, with even the unarmed Japanese Defense Force participating.
You wondered because you ARE/WERE NOT US Military or you have KNOWN the reason why we did not have local Afghan intelligence assets. In 2003 after conducting 2002 Operation Hotel California we heard all kinds of things (mostly uneducated rumors like yours) at Iraq about Afghanistan after the US Military Conventional Warfare Forces arrived as 2003 Operation Iraqis Freedom.
The taliban should be shot on sight no questions asked. Haven't we all had and seen enough of this. If I could I'd be there right now taking out as many of these vermin as possible. What good is the greatest military in the world if you keep their hands tied.
NATO forces should be given a free hand to battle.
When Islamic militants like Taliban, Haqqani network and others don't bother much about anything, how can the soldiers fight them with hands tied and body held back with huge "human rights" manuals?
In Afghanistan, Pakis have backstabbed the US and NATO forces big time. Half of NATO forces deaths are due to ungrateful and backstabbing Pakis.
When the NATO forces were entering Kandahar in 2001, Pakis airlifted key al-Qaida, Taliban, ISI and others militants by back door from Kandahar.
This includes Mullah Omar, Osama and many including Paki Haqqani militant network leaders.
Hope people remember about Pakis sheltering Osama.
These Paki Islamic religious Nazis don't bother about their people and they are into reckless killing games in the name of jihad.
Drone attacks are not enough. To reduce NATO forces losses, carpet bomb Paki militant areas just like 1991 Iraqi war.
Or else just get out right now
Shame on the Taliban. They have no morality - they only claim to. Killing children and women is shameful. Any Afghan who supports them has no morality either. They should rid their nation of this scurge. Shame, shame, shame.
The U.S. wants to fight a Politically Correct and soft war. Thats why we are losing.
If only it were that easy. They don't exactly wear uniforms and--guess what--they look *exactly* like every other Afghan! The guy shaking hands with our soldier one day could be shooting him in the back the next, but on the other hand, if we treat every Afghan male as if he was Taliban, we'd never be able to leave. All the guns and soldiers in the world are useless if your enemy can hide in plain sight right along with the civilians.
too bad they do not understand they are killing their own relatives. As we are all cousins no more distant than 50th.
wrap that thought around your mind for a bit. It could change the world.
So we should do what? Go all Nazi on them and start shooting hostages and killing villages wholesale? That policy worked out well for them didn't it?
In the 1990's, our CIA was supporting the Taliban with arms. Apparently, we wanted a leader with which to deal, so we could negocotiate pipeline deals, such as the TAPI gas pipeline. When it became apparent the Taliban was stringing us along, we responded with 9/11 (false flag) and took the other side with the warlords.
America, in the 1980s, printed and distributed books for Afganistan school children advocating jihad, so they would work against the Russians. We had deals with the ISI in Pakistan to protect the Taliban. They also protected al-Qaeda and Bin Laden.
We will stay in Afghanistan to protect the TAPI gas pipeline for Israel and for us. This is and always has been for Eurasian energy sources. It has never been about terrorism. Oil is drying up in the ME. 9/11 was the excuse to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.
Once the Pentagon's choice to lead the "new" Iraq, Chalabi
promised to reopen an old British-built pipeline from Kirkuk in northern Iraq
to the Israeli port of Haifa. The plan impressed Richard Perle, Douglas Feith
and other conservatives influencing Bush administration policy toward Iraq in
the lead-up to last year's war.
The idea also drew enthusiastic response from Israel.
"The pipeline would be a dream," Yosef Paritzky, Israel's minister
of infrastructures, said as reported by Salon.com. "We'd have an
additional source of supply, and could even export some of the crude through
Haifa. But we'd need a treaty with Iraq . . . to build the pipeline."
Once Chalabi assumed a position of influence in the new Iraqi government,
Israel would get its treaty, the neoconservatives were assured. The pipeline
was by no means the only reason for going to war, but it could well have been
one reason.
http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/19725/iraq-to-haifa-oil-pipeline-could-spur-economic-rebirth/
Jonathan-1982062,
Instead of a blanket statement about Pakistan; EXPLAIN TO EVERYONE THE THREE FACTIONS THAT CONTROL PAKISTAN.
RalphH,
FOS (Full Of Sh!t).
You do not even know the origin of the 1990s Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban.
Nor the difference between the 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeen of Operation Cyclone and the 1990s Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban.
"Free Afghanistan!" Let them realize their full potential as a 6th Century nation.
Typical uneducated post along with those that voted for your uneducated post.
From the 1950s till 1979 (USSR 40th Army Occupation) the US built up US Ally Afghanistan into a 20th Century "Little America". After the 1990s Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban massacred the 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeen, then the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban started massacring all suspected Collaborators to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers, then they then started to destroy everything "Western", "Modern", "Non Islamic".
10 more years of our funds and troops committed by Obama to this country. Invest in the manufacturer of black arm bands. They are going to be in demand for the next ten years.
As your moniker attests, you are clueless.
Obama didn't commit us there, Bush did. It's up to Obama to pull us out. As long as the schedule remains as is, we will be out of there in a little over a year.
Afghanistan and Iraq will be history we can afford NOT to live again. As long as people like GW, are kept out of the White House, we'll never have to live it again.
I wouldn't be so quick to make those statements.
Yes you are NOT US Military nor a Man, and it is you and those that voted for your uneducated post that are CLUELESS. As President Obama has signed an Agreement with President Karzai for US Military (Asymmetric Warfare, aka Special Warfare) to remain at Afghanistan INDEFINITELY. It was President Obama that committed the US Military to Afghanistan after 2009, as President Obama's "Iraq was the Wrong War, and Afghanistan is the Right War".
The REAL Reason for the withdrawal of the US Military Conventional Warfare Forces is due to President Obama's Failed (Foreign) Polices that resulted in the Loss of the US Military Logistics Support Bases at Pakistan Required to support the UN, NATO, US Mission at Landlocked Afghanistan. The remaining US Military Forces will have to rely on the Afghans for all support. President Obama's Appointed Registered Demoncrap General McChrystal tried to warn all of you about the Logistics (previously strained with President Obama's August 2009 US Civilian Surge) and "This Administration Does Not Know What It Is Doing", as his US Military Officer's Duty to inform the US Public after the US Politicians refuse to listen to those matters that will/have resulted in the unnecessary deaths of the US Citizens of the US Military.
Your flag in distress is inappropriate and insulting.
They talk of how the Taliban has changed their strategy and even using the internet and facebook for intelligence gathering. Then, MSNBC in their infinate wisdom mentions a girl's school, it's location and name, then, even posts a picture of the woman running it. I give it a week and the Taliban will take her out and blow up the school. How stupid can we be ??
I guess it makes for a better news story. They would get to splash sensational headlines about a school burning and girls shot, much more news worthy than a story about young girls learning peacefully.
Leave alone media, US top military and political planners did not have much idea of Afghanistan and Pakistan.
They don't have them either. They could take the help of Russia and India. Even China would be willing to help!
After problems in Paki transit routes, Russia offered even defense bases for NATO forces!
Only Northern Alliance (NA) was fighting Taliban before NATO forces entered Afghanistan in 2001.
NA helped NATO forces in battles. After NATO forces won, they installed that Karzai (he belongs to the biggest tribe, Pashtuns) as President.
Then Gen Dostum of NA, who was a hero in battling Taliban, became "human rights" violator!!!!
Gen Dostum flew to Turkey and took asylum there!
Can anyone with a little sense and ideas of the regions do such acts - treating friend as an enemy?
Perry, Do you honestly believe that the Taliban are not already aware of this woman and her school ? Cmon man !! Allahu Akbar
Leaving troops in Afghanistan after Dec 2014 is NOT "getting out of Afghanistan." It means we're still there. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot or a politician. Or both. We left 10,000 troops in Vietnam in 1973 after the Paris Peace accords. How'd that work out for us 2 years later when Saigon fell ? Our leadership in this country is comprised of fools and idiots and now they're talking about making John Kerry the Sec. of Defense ?? I could write volumes about that phony. This country is in big trouble.
I would argue that it is Afghanistan that "is in big trouble".
not to worry Obama said the Taliban is defeated and on the run- maybe they changed their name- as they often do. What a waste of a trillion dollars
Yes, and by "free" they mean a society where the people are dependent on a supermarket for food, dependent on the police for protection, dependent on bureaucrats for a job, and dependent on xanax for psychological happiness...
...no chance that a ruggedly independent group like the Afghans, who protect, feed, and provide for themselves - who raise their children without public schools or trained child psychologists - no chance that THEY actually are already free.
...nope, because you're not free unless you're voting in a national election every four years where each vote is 1/50,000,0000th of the final outcome. Not free unless you're able to find a good Thai restaurant on your iPhone.
Travis - What part of New England do you feel is "Soviet Occupied"? You are aware the Soviet Union no longer exists, right?
Travis sounds a lot like a mentally ill guy named Thierry on a computing forum I read.
You're right guys, the Afghans aren't free because they don't have the opportunity to read James Joyce.
Sorry Travis, but if the Taliban come back into power, nobody in Afghanistan would be free. When men aren't allowed to shave, girls can't go to school, and everyone has to pray 5 times a day or face public execution there is no freedom.
Using my iPhone to find a good Thai is a great way to take advantage of the freedom we enjoy here!
Yeah, because shaving is incredibly important in a country without disposable razors and school is incredibly important in a country stuck in a bronze age economy...
If the Afghans are Free, what are we doing there??
Well dang Travis you whine a lot about our country and our way of life but here you are living in it and by it's rules. Why don't you travel out to Afghanistan and live the free life you desire so much?
Or could it be your a reall American who only loves to whine about things on the internet.
The Razia Jan story was touching. It is inspiring to see such determination in the face of so much violence.
Well, it's nice to know we're all "inspired." Now, the Taliban will hunt her down and kill her. Then what will we be ? Disappointed ?
Perry:
The Taliban's continuing violence against children and women is just making them less and less liked. Eleven years ago girls going to school would have been unthinkable; an Afghani woman competing in the Summer Olympics for her country (not compelled to wear a burka!) would have been unthinkable; a teen girl (Malala Yousufzai)standing up to the Taliban for womens' rights and female education would have been unthinkable; religious leaders of a country issuing fatwas against the Taliban was unthinkable.
Yet in the last year these 'unthinkable' things HAVE been happening, and as we saw in the case of Malala, the outpouring of support from not only westerners but from the Pakistani people and Muslims all over the world shows the change that the ordinary people are having toward western attitudes and western ways.
General condemnation of Taliban tactics have lost them support among the people of the Middle East, leading 50 Pakistani clerics to issue a fatwa against the Taliban for the attempted assassination of the young peace activist, and in fact pushing Pakistan in the other direction--they are opening an IT college in their capital, named it for Malala, and it is open to all who want to study, male and female.
Change is coming Slowly, but it is coming, and it is time for the US to take a step back and let the baby take its first shaky steps toward their own freedom.
People, we need to do more on our side. The Taliban have made faces in social media. We must as people address these social medias and denounce these people. Convince them they are siding with the devil and God will punish them.
Criticizing the government is not doing any good. With so many social media outlets these people are on. You sit on your hands criticizing the wrong people.
Lets start a new approach and be part of the social media denouncing their ways of thuggery and murder!
I find it amusingly tragic (seems like a contradiction, eh?) that "manhood" in this backward ideological cesspool includes butchering defenseless women and children. What brave men!! Filthy savages!
if people side with Taliban, there is nothing on earth can stop Taliban, just nuke the country and get over with.
I agree on this, only we should have done it on 09/12/2001
The Taliban's strategy is simple. Kill anyone not like them. Many groups have adopted similar philosophies over the years and sometimes they are very successful. The North Vietnamese come to mind. Their brutality towards the people they were supposedly liberating was as bad. However the only thing that matters is winning. Look at how people have forgotten past brutalities. Of course the victims surviving families have not. My relatives in recent history been tortured and murdered by Communists and Nazis and I can tell you my family has not forgotten.
Just get rid of this filthy, manure spreading bunch of CRIMINALS and their supporters. They are using ""Religion"" as an excuse for their cowardly actions. I guess, the reason they are still around is, that even the devil refuses asylum to these vermin! Humanity got rid of the pest, why shouldn't we be able to get rid of the taliban?
I agree with you Perry. You mention Vietnam, lest we forget Somalia (where I lost two good friends in the "Blackhawk Down" incident.) The US seems to have a policy of going into a nation with good intentions to help and then leave. We went into Somalia, kicked a little butt, seemed to get things straightened out and left. Now look at the place; it's exactly as is was before we went in, maybe even worse.
This was not the case with Afghanistan. The US invaded for the sole purpose of getting Bin Laden...well we got him...finally.... time to leave!!!
It is time for the US to realize they are not the harbingers of democracy. Some countries don't want that and who is the US to impose it on them???
Time to get our boys out of there. We've won the war; but we can't win all the battles. Especially the battle for the destiny of a nation. It is not for the US, or the UN for that matter, to decide. A small force of foreign soldiers is not going to determine the destiny of Afghanistan, it is the people of Afghanistan!!! It is up to them how their country is ruled and who rules it. If the people don't like the Taliban, then it is for the Afghan people to take arms and drive the Taliban out.
The US isn't exactly thrilled with North Korea and you don't US forces invading there. Same for China and a few other countries. It's time for the talking heads in Washington to wake up and smell the politics!!
Get our boys out of Afghanistan and Iraq totally!!! Time to spend our money and efforts on our own country and let the others figure it out for themselves!!
i still believe that at the moge we were betrayed by the media and the politicians.So much for Restore Hope.
We (Not you) went into Somalia; NOT to kick butt, but as UN Mission Somalia I (Operation Restore Hope) and II (Operation Continue Hope), to build up Somalia to end the cycle of droughts and famine.
THAT IS NOT THE REASON WE (again not you) WENT INTO AFGHANISTAN OCTOBER 2001. The Mission was: Overthrow the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban Government that Sponsored the 9/11 2001 Attacks, eliminate Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada, and eliminate the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists ("Terrorist") Training Camps at Afghanistan.
AFTER President Bush (43) Amended the US No Assassination Policy 2006, the Mission to Locate and Capture Osama Bin Laden was added to the Mission, with failing to Capture Osama Bin Laden to get his methodiology and planning processes as imprinted on the Al Quada Leadership to enable us to preemptively interdict all Al Quada Activities Worldwide, then Termination of Osama Bin Laden was authorized as a Mission Failure. The Pre Delegated Presidential Authority for the Osama Bin Laden Mission was in effect since 2006, as delegated to US Special Operations Command, US Joint Special Operations Command, Director of the CIA (further delegated to the CIA's SAD/SOG).
It was not Operation Restore Hope (UN Mission Somalia I); but, Operation Continue Hope (aka the Battle For Mo(gadishu), UN Mission Somalia II). UN Mission Somalia II (aka Operation Continue Hope) was screwed up due to President Clinton's Gutting of the US Intelligence Agencies (that also left the US Blind and Deaf to the Events leading up to the 9/11 2001 Attacks, Bipartisan US Congressional 9/11 Commission (Committee) Investigations, Findings, and Recommendations), as the same reason why in 1998 (H.R.4655) we went into Iraq without any linkups with the local intelligence assets; just like October 2001 Afghanistan. Also due to President Clinton's Cut to the Bone Reduction In Forces of the US Military and Cuts to the US Military Budget we had to rely on the support of the Third World Pakistanis Military on the ground that refused to leave their secure compound during the Battle for Mo(gadishu).
wolfhound27 as in US Army 25th Infantry Divison.
At some point the people of Afghanistan are going to have to stand up and take charge of their own country. When the British tried to take control of the new country we fought back and became independent of Briton. Afghanistan has to do the same thing.
And I can imagine a world that is free of Islam. It will take a while, but I think it is possible too.
And America can begin the process by simply enforcing its laws; one, the RICO act and, two, laws against treason. Islam isn't a religion, its a seditious criminal enterprise/death cult disguised as a religion.
Apostasy (leaving the inflence of the criminal organization) is death. Same with the Mafia. Speaking the truth about the criminal organization (blasphemy in Islam speak, omerta in Mafioso speak) is death. Same with the Mafia. Not paying zakat (the required Islamic tithe) is death. Same with Mafia style protection rackets.
And anyone who understand the Koran and the intentions of Mohammad's fake God realize the entity, or rather his criminal representatives on earth, is intent on overthrowing all western forms of government and replacing them with an Islamic theocracy. Therefore all devout Muslims are involved in a treasonous conspiracy (maybe some don't know they are are, but they are nonetheless).
Islam is also a form of slavery. Devout Muslims often describe themselves as slaves of Allah. The name Abdullah means slave of Allah. Allah knows his followers as slaves; verse 111, chapter nine says "I have bought of you your property and lives for this, that yea shall have the garden, so yea shall kill and be killed fighting in the way of Allah ..."
As slaves Muslims have given up all thoughts of self-determination (or rather they've had it brainwashed out of them). They fight jihad; infiltrate the west (stealth jihad) on one side and kill infidels (outright jihad) on the other, because their master commands them to. And they send their children to be brainwashed as they are -- and that's child abuse. They must brainwash their children as they are or they will be found guilty of apostasy and be killed and their children will be brainwashed anyhow. These people (Muslims) are held as hostages and must obey their imams and clerics (thugs) or else. We have a hostage situation here. What should we do ... give more power to the hostage takers (CAIR, ISNA & etc.), or arrest these treasonous impostors
The law must be enforced. Padlock the mosques, shut down Islamic brainwashing centers, tell the imams and clerics and all the other Islamic whatnots to cease and desist. Arrest them and apply the law if they continue their Islamic ways. Announce to the general population of Muslims that they are free. Have a trial, expose Islam for the treasonous criminal enterprise/death cult that it is. Enforce the law and free the slaves of Allah here and eventually the rest of the world will follow. Imams and clerics around the world will be tarred and feathered a ridden out of town on a rail.
D Fientz:
This is America, where our Constitution allows anyone to practice whatever religion they choose. 'Congress shall make no law respecting or prohibiting an establishment of religion or the free exercise thereof.' What you're talking about is a return to a theocracy, a merging of Church and State, and that is exactly why our Founding Fathers wrote the Bill of Rights, to prevent such a thing like this from happening.
It's what you do that matters, not whose Name you do it in!!
All Muslims are not our enemies--we have had Muslims in our country for all 200+ years of our history and never had a problem coexisting peacefully with them. When the attack came, it was from outside our country, not within, and American Muslims (and true, peaceful Muslims all over the world) were outraged that their religion had been hijacked to justify that massive slaughter of innocents. Muslims joined our Armed Forces after 9-11 and went over there to fight for us, for our ideals and for our vengeance; many died. For you to lump them in the same category as the extremists dishonors their service and their sacrifice.
You don't blame all birds for the one that pooped on your car!
Now as to the other points you've brought up in your post:
The God of the Bible and the God of the Qu'ran are both the same God. Abraham, Moses, Job, Aaron, Jacob, Joseph, Mary, and Jesus are all mentioned, many many times in the Qu'ran. They acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah and the Virgin birth are detailed:
When the angels said, ‘O Mary, Allah gives thee glad tidings of a word from Him; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honored in this world and the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God, (Qu’ran, 3:46)
‘And he shall speak to the people in the cradle and when of middle age, and he shall be of the righteous.’ (Qu’ran, 3:47)
She said ‘My Lord, how shall I have a son when no man has touched me?’ He said “Such is the way of Allah, He creates what He pleases. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, ‘Be!’ and it is. (Qu’ran 3:48)
‘And He will teach him the Book and the Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; (Qu’ran 3:49
‘And He will make him a Messenger to the children of Israel (to say): ‘I come to you with a Sign from your Lord, which is that I will fashion out for you a creation of clay after the manner of a bird, then I will breathe into it a new spirit and it will become a soaring being by the command of Allah; and I will heal the night-blind and leprous, and I will quicken the dead, by the command of Allah, and I will announce to you what you will eat and what you will store up in your houses. Surely, therein is a Sign for you, if you be believers. (Qu’ran 3:50)
“And I come fulfilling that which is is before me, namely the Torah; and to allow you some of that which was forbidden you; and I come to you with a Sign from your Lord: so fear Allah and obey me.’ (Qu’ran 3:51)
Indeed they are disbelievers who say “Surely Allah is none but the Messiah, son of Mary, whereas the Messiah himself said ‘O children of Israel, worship Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord.’ Surely whoso associates partners with Allah, him has Allah forbidden Heaven, and the Fire will be his resort. And the wrongdoers shall have no helpers. (Qu’ran 5:73)
‘Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet, the Immaculate One, whom they find mentioned in the Torah and the Gospel which are with them. He enjoins on them good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful for them the good things and forbids them the bad, and removes from them their burden and the shackles that were among them. So those who shall believe in him, and honor and support him, and help him, and follow the light that has been sent down with him—these shall prosper.’ (Qu’ran 7:158)
The Christian church acknowledges that Muslims worship the same God. The following is a passage from a Papal bull issued by Pope John Paul VI in 1968 called the Nostra Aetate, or 'The Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions':
3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of Heaven and earth, who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.
Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.
Islam was founded around 630-650 CE (according to their beliefs, an angel appeared to the Prophet Muhammad and started revealing the Word of God to Muhammad starting in 610. At that time there was no 'Western World' so there could have been no intent by the faith system as it was established then to 'overturn the western world'.
And in the Old Testament of the Bible, the Israelites are described as God's slaves and special property:
For they are my slaves whom I brought out of the land of Egypt. They must not sell themselves the way a slave is sold. Leviticus 25:42
You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, that I might carry you on the wings of eagles and bring you to myself. And now if you will strictly obey my voice and will indeed keep my covenant, then you will certainly become my special property out of all the other peoples, because the whole earth belongs to me. Exodus 19: 4-5
“And I began to make supplication to Jehovah and to say “O Lord Jehovah, do not bring to ruin your people, even your private property whom you redeemed with your greatness, whom you brought out of Egypt with a strong hand. Remember your servants Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Do not turn your face to the hardness of this people and their wickedness and their sin, for fear the land out of which you brought them may say: “Because Jehovah was unable to bring them into the land that he promised them, and because he hated them he brought them out to put them to death in the wilderness. They are too your people and your private property whom you brought out with your great power and your outstretched arm.” (Deuteronomy 9: 26-29)
But you are the ones Jehovah took, that he might bring you out of the iron furnace, out of Egypt, that you might become a people of private ownership to him as of this day. (Deuteronomy 4:20)
As for Jehovah, he has induced you to say today that you will become his people, a special property, just as he has promised you, and that you will observed all his commandments and that he will put you high above all the other nations that he has made, resulting in praise and reputation and beauty while you prove yourself a people holy to Jehovah your God, just as he has promised.”Deuteronomy 26: 18-19
A large part of self-determination is personal responsibility. The Christian religion, by and large, does the same thing; repent of your sins and accept Jesus as your savior and you go to heaven, no matter what it is that you've done. It was one of the things that led me to renounce Christianity (grew up and was raised Catholic by a devout Irish Catholic father) if a priest rapes a child, he's still going to heaven because hes a priest, irregardless of whatever he's personally done wrong. I don't agree with that.
And so did the Israelites in the Bible:
And Jehovah your God will indeed abandon them to you and rout them with a great rout, until they are annihilated. And he will certainly give their kings unto your hand, and you must destroy their names from under the heavens. Nobody will take a firm stand against you, until you have exterminated them. The graven images of their Gods you should burn in the fire; you must not desire the silver and gold upon them, nor indeed taker it for yourself, for fear you shall be ensnared by it; for it is a thing detestable to Jehovah your God. Deuteronomy 7: 23-25
And they went waging war against Midian, just as Jehovah had commanded Moses, and they proceeded to kill every male. And they killed the kings of Midian along with the others slain, namely, Evi and Rekem and Zur and Hur and Reba, the five kings of Midian; and they killed Balaam the son of Beor with the sword. But the sons of Israel carried off the women of Midian and their little ones captive; and all their dometic animals and all their livestock and all their means of maintenance they plundered. And all their cities in which they had settled and all their walled camps they burned with fire. And they went taking all the spoil and all the booty in the way of humans and domestic animals. And they came bringing to Moses and Eleazar the priest and to the assembly of the sons of Israel the captives and the booty and the spoil to the camp, to the desert plains of Moab, which are by the Jordan at Jericho. Numbers 31: 7-12
Then Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the chieftains of the assembly went out to meet them outside the camp. And Moses grew indignant at the appointed men of the combat forces, the chiefs of the thousands and the chiefs of the hundreds who were coming in from their military expedition. So Moses said to them, “Have you preserved alive every female? Look! They are the ones who, by Balaam’s word, served to induce the sons of Israel to commit unfaithfulness toward Jehovah over the affair of Peor, so that the scourge came upon the assembly of Jehovah. And now kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has had intercourse with man by lying with a male. And preserve alive for yourselves all the little ones among the women who have not known the act of lying with a male.” Numbers 31: 13-17
Get up, pull away and cross the torrent valley of Arnon. See, I have given into your hand Sihon the king of Heshbon the Amorite. So start to take possession of his land, and engage in war with him. Deuteronomy 2: 24-25
When Sihon came on out, he and all his people, to meet us in battle at Jahaz, then Jehovah our God abandoned him to us, so that we defeated him and his sons and all his people. And we went capturing all his cities at that particular time and devoting every city to destruction, men women and little children We left no survivor. Only the domestic animals did we take as plunder for ourselves, together with the spoil of the city we had captured. Deuteronomy 3 32-35
And during the Middle Ages the Church said the people had to obey them or be excommunicated.
From the viewpoint of someone outside the Abrahamic belief systems (I'm pagan), there is little difference between Jews, Christians, and Muslims. You all worship the same God and entertain many of the same tenets and beliefs.
What is different is where you are in your religion's evolution; Jews went through their 'let's kill everyone who doesn't agree with us' back when Jesus was crucified; Christians went through their 'let's kill everyone who doesn't agree with us' back in the Middle Ages. As Islam is still a relatively young religion(1400 years old,compared to Christianity's 2000 years and the Jews' roughly 4000 years) let's hold off on judging them until they reach 2000 years old. I can pretty much guarantee you that they will have grown out of this phase in their evolution by then too.
@Amanda
And don Corleone was just an importer of olive oil like dozens of other olive oil importers. Maybe we should wait 2000 years to decide whether Corleone was really in the olive oil importing business or was the leader of a criminal enterprise. And what, you thinbk we're supposed to just sit here and take it as Muslims anihilate culture after culture until none but Islamofascism is lefty? If we don't do something about Islam now in another 600 years the question will have been settled.
And Mohammad mentioned Jesus and co. to try to give his criminal concoction some legitimacy. But he also claims Jesus was never crucified and that he did not die on the cross and he did not rise from the dead. Allah is a fake god, it was the moon god of the pagans who used to live in Mecca.
And If people who called themselves Jews and Christians did as you say they did so without the backing of their God. There are no commands in the Torah and Bible to make war on unbelievers until they submit to their supposed God. Muslims, on the other hand, are commanded by their god to fight and kill non-Muslims until only Muslims are left alive on the planet earth.
I am more concerned about nut cases like you, with your "Christian Taliban" trying to shove your religion, hate etc down our throats. As for this article, after 9/11 the enemy was Osama bin Laden, then it suddenly became saddam hussein, now it is the taliban. Bin Laden is dead, and yes I am really sorry that that part of the world is a sewer and the way they treat their women is criminal, we just can't afford to be the sherriff any more. We are hollowing out our economy with debt and military power means squat without an economy that can back it up. There is no more MONEY man what planet do some of you live on, what little is left needs to be spent on nation building at HOME. We cannot defeat the Taliban without going to war with Packistan, let Packistan choke on the Taliban and they will
Women like Razia Jan represent hope for Afghanistan! Bottom line, the Taliban are practicing their own religion of brutality, and are so blinded by their own evils, and its a real joke for them to put that label on anyone else!!
I pray for the day when the good people of that country will rise up, and kill the snake in their midst! The Taliban ideologues and the practitioners, have no concept of Humanity!!!
If you don't know what you are getting into, then you don't know the results and where you are going to!
Iraq and Afghanistan are clear examples.
In battles, one should know who are friends and who are enemies!
With allies like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, one does not need many enemies!
Iraq and Afghanistan, another disaster in the making, are examples.
One should at least learn from past mistakes. Some with too much arrogance don't even learn from past mistakes.
So we are being led into Syrian and Iranian conflicts just like Iraqi wars by the same bad guys or gang: Sunni Saudis, oil companies, mad nuts cases like Netanyahus and their lobbyists!
Arrogant or just stupid, it is unintended consquences, Irag was the conterbalance to Iran until we went there and now it is part of the Shia superstate and China's largest exporter of oil, no wonder they hold our debt for us. If we got out of the way that area of the world will destroy itself. We are becoming a shell of a country because we have hollowed it out with debt. We are facing a fiscal cliff right now and we are worried what general is humping who. American exceptionalism, yeah exceptionally stupid
When it comes to wars with these middle east countries it is a matter of who has the will to win.It is a proven fact that the U.S has to win wars quickly or they will lose their will to win.These middle east countries are using the one tactic they know will work on the U.S.Just make it hard for the U.S,avoid pitched battles in the open and just wait it out.They know they cannot hope to beat our military.Sooner or later the U.S will become mired in a political mess and forefit the conflict.
EXACTLY what Bin Laden wanted to happen and exactly what we have done, get bogged down in war after war until we are econimically destroyed. The enemy is us or our stupidity.
They remain a threat because the Afghans welcomed them right back in with open arms. The Taliban IS the "government" the Afghan people want. All these Afghans who want freedom are in the wrong country, they should get out while they can.
i read alot of people saying they want to destroy the Taliban.GREAT i agree but,Drones and politics cannot do it all.Like the Taliban we are going to have to go after them 100% and hold back nothing to get rid of them.If the military is not allowed to go at them 100% it's not worth even trying.
Taliban does not exist anymore. CIA shot Malala. This story is lie to continue laying foundation for Pakistan invasion of Afghanistan on behalf of the U.S. oil companies. May peace and God's blessings be upon you.
Joseph ...: Taliban wears different different label. Enemies are same: US, NATO forces, infidels (including Shiites, Sufis, Ahmedias and so on)!!!
If Taliban is not there, then there was no Mohammad!
If we get blessing from your God, then we are in big trouble.
So keep God's blessings to yourself. You people badly need them!
what happened to just flower bombing them? we know the caves they hide in, just burn them all.
We also know the countries that support them but yet do business and give money to them. It would almost seem the US likes having the Taliban around as reason to stay in countries we shouldnt be.
Taliban does not exist anymore. These are lies to continue laying foundation for Pakistan invasion of Afghanistan - Paki government officials as corrupt as they can be taking millions in bribes from U.S. oil companies to do all this - just as the CIA shot Malala and then blamed it on Taliban. Pakistan will be taken over by a dark force - it's in the prophecies along with the trouble in Syria and the other Muslim nations and the Illuminates (Sufyani) and so on and so on. It is all in prophecy and Muslims know by prophecy what is coming next.
Quite frankly, there is no challenge in exposing these lies anyore. Boring. Is that all you Illuminates got? Yawn.
Which man-made prophecies would these be?
Perhaps they were writ by the pedophile from whom you take your name?
The Islamic heroin addiction appears to be high in many Pakis.
What do you people think of yourself: some super intelligent people to go on fooling people?
At this rate, Allah's prediction that Islam will be wiped out in this century itself will come true.
At least, Allah must be furious with Pakis as Pakistan has become raping, stealing, looting, killing and genocide fields.
Why don't you Pakis be honest to get out of non-Muslim or infidel nations starting from the US, Britain, Europe and other places?
and our stupid gov't keeps letting these brainwashed inbred muslim zombies into this country. I say get out of muslim countries an establish a "cordon sanitaire".....
Also kick out Pakis from all non-Muslim nations. They are Trojan horses for making a non-Muslim nation into a Islamic state. Demanding Sharia Law is the beginning.
Before followers of Islamic cult set their feet on Afghan and Paki regions, they were quite peaceful and prosperous.
Once the cancer of Islam gradually got control of the region, those regions have become raping, stealing, looting and killing fields.
They have become breeding and exporting centers for illegal activities including drugs growing and trading and export of Islamic radicals and terrorists all over the world.
British invented Pakistan in 47 and Pakistan is supposed to be a pure Islamic nation. In Pakistan, it was massive genocides of minorities in between 48-50.
Percentages of Hindus and Sikhs were reduced from about 24 percent less than three years by rapings, stealing, lootings, terrorizing and killing on a massive scale.
Paki Islamic religious madness did not end there.
Sunni Pakis are after Ahmedias, Sufis (fake love and dance Islamic soap opera people), Shiites (20 percent), Hazaras, and Baloochs and other minority sects/tribes.
Shiites, Sufis, Ahmedias and other minority sects/tribes people are blown up while they pray in their mosques on Fridays. Ad even hospitals are bombed to kill those injured.
A Washington, DC based think tank Middle East Media Research Institute (www.memri.org) provides good details on what is going in Pakistan.
Bring ALL our troops home today! Now. No notice. Just leave! We don't need to be there, We are doing no good, our sons, daughters, husbands and wives are dying for nothing. Bring them home!
So we go into a country, destroy it's government, and you just want us to leave? Think about the sons, daughters, husbands, and wives in Afghanistan who live in the middle of all that chaos. What we're doing is rebuilding that nation and making it a better place for people. We need to finish what we started but just pulling out is wrong making all that time we spent over there doing good and trying to rebuild their nation a hopeless attempt.