WELL DONE !

A statement from the Al-Qassam Brigades said that Israel had “opened the gates of Hell.”

that means they'll kill innocent women and children in every country except Israel because they're too scared to go directly at the country they keep claiming they'll destroy. Low life cowards.

This is not news. "Hamas kills Israeli leader" would be news.

Good shot!!

Hamas, an equal opportunity employer. Upward mobility is a big plus. What self-respecting, career driven Islamist wouldn't want to be a part of this fine organization?

To Israel, I say apply for statehood or completely take Israel for yourselves. Send in the tanks, helecopter and jets, reduce Gaza to rubble, and claim your country once and for all. Rebuild your temple, as is prophecy. Remove Islamic Jihadists and extremests once and for all from your country. Give evacuation orders to every single muslim living in Gaza, take them out of the country, those who stay, let them face what our Crusading ancestors knew, "Kill them all, God will recognize his own."

Rebuild the Temple Mound, and destroy that desecration that is on it now. Your enemies are at contention now, civil wars and arab spring mounting all around you, what better time than now.

To Muslims: You wanted a war, you hear the sound of bombs growing distant. You had your chance for the last thousand years to prove you were a peaceful religion and yet you have attacked every nation whose religion is different than your own, and worse yet, you've incited civil wars within your own country with people whose beliefs differ only slightly. We cannot have a peaceful earth when one of the major religions is war mongering (as barbaric as beheading non believers) and so fanatical they believe strapping a vest full of explosives, walking on a bus and killing a couple dozen innocent people, will get them into heaven. Stop reading your Quran, it was founded by a pedophile (documented in the Quran as having consumated the marriage around 8 years old) and who took his first city (mecca) and beheaded all people who wouldn't convert to his new religion. This is why it is wrong. This is the difference.

When Hamas terroizes Israel with rockets on a daily basis, NBCNews largely ignores the story.

When Israel kills a leader responsible for those rocket attacks, it's call an 'assassination'... continued liberal bias and distortion of the news.....

I call the death of a terrorist, Justice!

If America is drawn into yet another war by its ally Israel, I think the use of nuclear weapons is sanctioned so we can end it in less than a week. Enough killing, we need to test these nuc weapons before they expire.

Hamas is so mentally ill - they fire hundreds of bombs - hundreds and then when Israel retaliates - they scream that Israel has "unleashed the gates of hell' - garsh - isn't Hamas just a tad embarrassed by their childish behavior? They really have no pride, no class, no heart and no brains. I wish Israel would once and for all deal them a striking blow - wait for them to do one of their street marches - and just blow them to smithereens!

What this MSN article seems to have left out (intentionally I believe) is that the IAF also took out 20 bunkers of long range Iranian missile (FAjr-5) launchers hidden inside residential houses in Gaza. These missiles had the capacity to reach Tel Aviv. Obviously the Palestinians (Actually Jordanians) are using civilians as shields and fighting as cowards. It seems it took an actual Air Force response to FINALLY stop Hamas from firing rockets into Israel.

Thank you Israel!

Hey MSNBC, stop sympathizing with terrorists.

Hamas is and has been in a state of war with Israel.

The terrorist in question is one of the central figures in Hamas and its attacks on civilians.

He was KILLED, EXECUTED, MADE ACCOUNTABLE, but certainly not ASSASSINATED.

Israel realized who remained in office, so they took matters into their own hands. Good for them. Our only ally in the region needs our support.

In Syria Shiites and Sunnis are battling on whose Allah is greater.

We including Israel should not go near Syria.

Israel should use this break to blow up not just Hamas military chief, but blow up all Hamas members once for all!

If Shiites and Sunnis Allah's battles become goes into larger areas, then Israel should go after Hezbollah too!

It should be carpet bombings and no soldiers on the ground!

Yup, Hamas has been sending misguided rockets over the fence for years and now cry foul. LOL.

They can dish it out but can't take it.

I agree with astounding #1.6....Stop playing games and just go for it. Israel has a very good and well trained Air Force and Military. For Hamas to even think about trying to go up against them tells me they're crazier than I thought.

Their weapons against Israel are like sticks and stones up against rifles and rocket propelled grenades. They'll never "ever" take over Israel. Not sure what's going through their minds but I can guess the they thing "their" God will help them out. Heh heh...

Al718,

He was "Targeted" and when it hit the mark, he then was instantly "Assassinated"with a well guided missile. They "wanted" to take this guy out and do have the capabilities to do just as they did. Perfect shot if you ask me. Well planned showing the next guy in line with the balls to take over his place will be next. It's Wars nature to place such thoughts on their minds.

Mark and others:

It was actually the Israeli Prime minister that used the phrase assassinated the Hamas leader. They are not afraid to use the term because realistically it is true. No different when Seal Team 6 assassinated Osama Bin Lyin; no point in being politically correct about it. It is still justified to cut the head off the snake when its poisonous and can't be controlled, but just because its called an assassination doesn't mean its less warranted.

Yo Creek Dog, let me know when Israel decides to fight someone who can fight back. They keep on "talking the talk" about Iran, but hasn't "walked the walk". There is a big difference in a 30 pound rocket landing in a open field, than a 30 ton missile landing in a very populated area. It appears that they waiting for Uncle Sam to sign off and to (if necessary) sacrifice the lives of their own sons and daughters. Which would be a good thing. Because it will lead to Americans to think twice about this useless friendship. FYI - I ain't going, not my fight

MRC,

Israel is "Defending" themselves from the Palestinians (Hamas). Hamas continues to antagonize Israel with misguided bombing that just land "wherever". Israel gave them many warnings and finally dropped one on their leaders "HEAD" to let them know they're messing with the wrong people.

As for the rest of your post, to each their own. We all have our opinions and have the right to post them as we wish and did so.

Have a nice day...

MCR-4250086

Yo Creek Dog, let me know when Israel decides to fight someone who can fight back.

1948: Israel vs. Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq. Israel win.

1956: Israel vs. Egypt. Draw.

1967: Israel vs. Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Iraq. Israel win.

1973: Israel vs Egypt & Syria. Draw.

In 1956, Eisenhower intervened and gave the Suez Canal and Sinai back to Egypt. In 1973, the Israelis were stopped by U.S. interference. In both cases, our meddling set the stage for more wars.

I once saw Bill Clinton on TV after he had left office giving a talk to a university audience, where he stressed "either you kill all your enemy, or eventually you have to talk to them". Both the Palestinians and the Israelis need to come to the realization that they are never going to kill all their enemies, and therefore need to sit down and come to an equitable settlement which will permit everyone to live in peace and security. Until they do, I say a pox on both their houses. In the meantime, the US should play the role of an honest broker, and acknowledge that both sides have legitimate grievances that need to be addressed.

The head of the militant wing of the Palestinian Hamas movement and five others were killed as Israel launched a series of airstrikes in Gaza Wednesday, officials said.

Excellent. Keep up the mighty fine work, Israel. The more of these loony Hamas bastages you kill off, the better. And thank you.

sometherapyguy

Nice sentiment, but impossible. The Muslims have an ingrained culture that teaches it is better to die in war than to be diplomatic; death is the only way to secure sanctification for yourself and your family. Do you realize each time one of their family dies by fighting they throw a joyous party for the deceased? Israel is fighting for survival, Hamas is fighting for annihilation.

Boom! And the world just got a bit better. Good shootin' IDF.

A statement from the Al-Qassam Brigades said that Israel had “opened the gates of hell.”

And you think that's going to deter them, think again!

His Al Queda in Syria is same Hamas. Iron Dome must be prepared to handle their rocket launches.

Shia and Christian communities of Lebanon should be prepared for provovations as well.

We including Israel should not go near Syria.

Israel should use this break to blow up not just Hamas military chief, but blow up all Hamas members once for all!

If Shiites and Sunnis Allah's battles become goes into larger areas, then Israel should go after Hezbollah too!

It should be carpet bombings and no soldiers on the ground!

Here, here - Jonathan. You don't know how well you nailed it. Perfectly said.

Chris: Please explain: 1) How did Israel "meddle" in Lebanon (independent of retaliation against constant cross border attacks). 2) How has Israel "increased pressure" on Syria, Lebanon, and Egypt (apart from their retaliating against "accidental" cross-border attacks). I also disagree with your premise that Israel will lose a three-front war. It's certainly not a desirable outcome but they've done it before and you'd be surprised what Israel could do on its borders by conventional means if faced with another potential Six-Day or Yom-Kippur scenario. And Netanyahoo has been beating the Iran war drums for good reason. If Israel did not have the knack for foresight it would have been eliminated long ago. And please don't dismiss the threat of radical Islam to the US. It is, unfortunately our fight as well.

Consider the January 29, 2012 "Israel vs. Iran" article in the New York Times were it was noted that, "The Iranian regime will be several times more dangerous if it has a nuclear device in its hands...one that it could bring to the United States. It is not for nothing that it (i.e., Iran) is establishing bases for itself in Latin America and creating links with drug dealers on the US-Mexican border. This is happening in order to smuggle ordnance into the United States for the carrying out of terror attacks. Imagine this regime getting nuclear weapons to the US-Mexican border..."

Chris: And you ask why the US has "turned a blind eye" to Israel's nuclear arsenal while setting a different standard for Iran? Israel has proven it can maintain its nuclear weapons for the past 40 or so years and has, unlike Iran, never threatened to annhiliate another nation. I would not give Iran, with a record of murderously stifling dissent in its own people, the opportunity to prove the same.

Chris: Also, please explain how Isarel caused jordan's refugee crisis.

I thought the peaceful palestinians were out working on their olive harvest, per the previous MSNBC article?

I guess a few of them took the time to launch rockets at Israel instead.

I think I found my new place to live, I may not be a Jew, but I can respect their position to not be f-cking with on a daily basis, maybe they can use my services to help with whatever cause they are fighting for.

There is no such thing as peace and I hate having this liberal bull@!$%# shoved down my throat on a daily basis, when has there ever been peace anywhere on earth, NEVER, so what makes anybody think they can accomplish it now, it's worse than ever and it's going to get worse.

Someotherguy: But this is not a land-for-peace issue. It's a cultural and religious war not only against the Jews. Previous attempts were made to establish an independent Palestinian state but to no avail.

MYTH

"The Palestinians have never been offered a state of their own."

FACT

The Palestinians have actually had numerous opportunities to create an independent state, but have repeatedly rejected the offers:

In 1937, the Peel Commission proposed the partition of Palestine and the creation of an Arab state.

In 1939, the British White Paper proposed the creation of a unitary Arab state.

In 1947, the UN would have created an even larger Arab state as part of its partition plan.

The 1979 Egypt-Israel peace negotiations offered the Palestinians autonomy, which would almost certainly have led to full independence.

The Oslo agreements of the 1990s laid out a path for Palestinian independence, but the process was derailed by terrorism.

In 2000, Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered to create a Palestinian state in all of Gaza and 97 percent of the West Bank.

In 2008, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert offered to withdraw from almost the entire West Bank and partition Jerusalem on a demographic basis.

In addition, from 1948 to 1967, Israel did not control the West Bank. The Palestinians could have demanded an independent state from the Jordanians.

The Palestinians have spurned each of these opportunities. A variety of reasons have been given for why the Palestinians have in Abba Eban's words, "never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity." Historian Benny Morris has suggested that the Palestinians have religious, historical, and practical reasons for opposing an agreement with Israel. He says that "Arafat and his generation cannot give up the vision of the greater land of Israel for the Arabs. [This is true because] this is a holy land, Dar al-Islam [the world of Islam]. It was once in the hands of the Muslims, and it is inconceivable [to them] that infidels like us [the Israelis] would receive it."

The Palestinians also believe that time is on their side. "They feel that demographics will defeat the Jews in one hundred or two hundred years, just like the Crusaders." The Palestinians, Morris says, also hope the Arabs will acquire nuclear weapons in the future that will allow them to defeat Israel.

"Barak made a proposal that was as forthcoming as anyone in the
world could imagine, and Arafat turned it down. If you have a country that's a sliver and you can see three sides of it from a high hotel building, you've got to be careful what you give away and to whom you give it."

— U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld 9

Also, please refer to my post re: the palestinian covenant below.

Bryan: Perhaps if I go back I'll take you with me.

After more than 120 rockets fired from Gaza had hit Israel since Saturday I would say Israel has exorcised tremendous restraint. Kudos to Israel. The US still hasn't done anything to the militants involved in the Benghazi attacks and given Obamas dismal record is unlikely to do more than thank the Libyan government for failing to identify and detain them.

“If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”

― Malcolm X

Is that why the Jew haters are out today?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDohNq9BORo&feature=endscreen&NR=1

Behind the Scenes: Palestinian Demonstrations
See what the Palestinians teach their CHILDREN????

Armageddon here we come!

Thank goodness we have a strong Commander in Chief to help us through this mess....

oh wait, he is planning a trip to Russia to complete is open mic mission!

do not need to. I already know;

They teach their children that Isreal is Palestine (actually Isreal does not even exist in their text books.

They teach their children to be racists, killers and jew haters

They teach their children how to blow themselves up and kill innocent human beings.

Sounds like a swell people doesn't it?

Bryan, I am SERIOUSLY considering as well! LOVED Israel!!!

You can track events most closely by following me on Twitter -- @joelcrosenberg, but here are the latest developments.

• 10:52 P.M. local time -- Security Cabinet authorized the IDF to draft reservists and expand Gaza operation (Barak Ravid)
• 10:17 P.M. -- Summary of Gaza rocket fire toward Israel's south: 60 rockets were fired on Wednesday from Gaza at Israel's south; 48 toward Be'er Sheva, Dimona and Ofaqim; 12 toward Ashdod, the Lachish area and Sha'ar Havegev Regional Council; Iron Dome batteries intercepted 17 rockets (Haaretz)
• 10:12 PM -- Netanyahu and Barak hold press conference to announce "Operation Pillar of Defense" and says IDF preparing to massively escalate. “Today we sent a clear message to the Hamas organization and to other terrorist organizations, and should the need arise, the IDF is prepared to broaden the operation,” Netanyahu said at a joint press conference with Defense Minster Ehud Barak. “We will continue to do everything to protect our citizens.” Netanyahu blamed Hamas for escalating its attacks against civilians, and added that Israel was “not prepared to make peace with a situation in which Israel’s citizens are menaced by the terror of rocket fire. “No country would agree to such a situation; Israel is not prepared to reconcile itself to such a situation,” said Netanyahu.
• 9:41 P.M. -- United States Embassy in Tel Aviv issues security message for U.S. citizens in Israel, advises them to pay close attention to news reports and follow civil defense guidance provided by the Home Front Command (Allison Kaplan Sommer, Haaretz)
• 8:55 PM -- "Sirens wailed in the city of Beersheba Wednesday night as residents across the city took shelter from incoming rockets fired from the Gaza Strip. The attacks came in the wake of the assassination of Hamas military chief Ahmed Jabari, which marked the commencement of Operation Pillar of Defense against terror targets in the Gaza Strip. The Iron Dome system downed some 17 rockets over Beersheba and towns surrounding the Gaza Strip. All in all, over 50 rockets were launched by Palestinian terrorist groups in the Gaza Strip, Wednesday evening including 17 long-range Grad rockets that were fired at Beersheba....Residents within range of rocket fire from Gaza were requested to remain within 15 seconds of a shelter. School was called off for Thursday throughout the south, including in Beersheba, Ashdod and Ashkelon. The police raised alert levels amid fears of terror attacks." (Times of Israel)
• 8:38 P.M. -- Benjamin Netanyahu: The IDF is ready for action; we will continue doing everything in order to protect our citizens. If necessary, we will expand operations (Haaretz)
• 7:42 P.M. -- President Shimon Peres speaks to U.S. President Barak Obama on the phone, says Israel is not interested in raising the height of the flames, but for five days, rockets have been fired toward us and mothers and children are unable to sleep in peace at night. Ahme Jabari stood behind many terrorist activities (Barak Ravid)
• 5:36 P.M. -- IDF Spokesman: Israeli military ready for ground operation in Gaza, should there be need for an incursion (Barak Ravid)
• 5:26 P.M. -- Palestinians say Hamas military wing chief in Rafah, Raed al-Atar, killed in IDF strike (Haaretz)
• 4:06 P.M. -- Top Hamas commander Ahmed Jabari in car hit by Israeli airstrike (Haaretz)

Doing this outside the law only entrenches and polarizes both sides. It will only make the prospect of peace more distant.

Too bad we can't get Israel to solve our Mexico problem in the same way.

19:22 GMT: Former US President Jimmy Carter was quoted by Israel's Haaretz daiy as saying: “Both sides should cease all hostilities; Israel should end iblockade of Gaza".

WHAT????

Somebody better put Jimmy in his place! Preferably FRONT AND CENTER in GAZA!

Even Obama says Israel has a RIGHT to defend themselves!!!!

There is nothing wrong with calling for both sides to seize hostilities, but can anyone tell me when "both sides" will include Palestinians?

HOTTICKET: Thanks a lot, dear friend!

US, British, French, European nations, Israel and other non-Muslim infidel nations have NO ROLES IN SYRIA AND IRAN.

For Muslims, we are all jihadi materials.

So what business do we have in their Shiites vs Sunni Allahs battles?

REMOVE SANCTIONS ON IRANIAN OIL TO CRASH OIL PRICES and REDUCE OUR ECONOMIC MISERIES!

Israel is the right nation to carpet bomb Hamas, Hezbollahs and all those who oppose Israel!

In US and allies case, even to attack enemies who are about to kill, poor soldiers have to consult human rights manuals, war manuals and all laws on earth!

For Israel, only laws are survival laws!

GO Israel, GO Israel ... and all infidels and jihadi materials are with you people!

Foreigners can join the IDF. Google it.

I tried both the IDF & French Foreign Legion; rejected-over the maximum age limit.

What ceasefire? Hamas hasn't gone a single day without lobbing rockets into Israel. In fact they've fired 114 of them in the last 5 days alone. Though they are slacking a bit. There was only 10 launched yesterday...

You'd strap on a bomb and go to a different country then blow up little kids?

jarrod - showing off your lack of knowledge of the history of the area.....

Actually, Jarrod, you might have profited by the transaction, if your grandparents had been among the ones who SOLD Palestinian land to the Zionists.

Hey Jarrod, let me buy you a ticket to Gaza...get your ass there, cause we don't want you here!

savoir,

I'll chip in.

The Hebrews murdered the Caananites and stole their land. They did this after committing acts of Terrorism and mass murder in Egypt before stealing all the wealth of Egypt.

Tbow009, A racist and stupid, statement.

Not his last Joe....read on my friend...lol.

Isn't it odd that when Obama orders drone strikes the term used is killed, but if Israel orders strike it's called "Assassination" by the News Media that never ceases it's PROPAGANDA?

Do we give a sh*t when one country calls something different than we do? By the way, smartass, the Israeli military called it an assassination, the press didn't.

Clark,

Who gives a @!$%# what they call it? Call it killing, execution, termination if you want. The result is the same..a scumbag islamist is dead. BTW..they call it an assassination because it was a (single) prominent person killed by suprise attack..which is the definition of assassination. Quit jumping on the "News Media's" balls every second..next thing you know..you will be blaming the "News Media" for being so fat and stupid. Damn "News Media", Clark is not stupid and fat..he is hefty and lacking keen of mind..

Alan Pugh "unprovoked" ?????????????????????????

Alan Pugh, unprovoked attack? What exactly does lobbing 114 rockets over a 5 day period against civilians mean to you? You're not all there, are ya.

@Alan Pugh

Right, because what Israel does to Palestine, including this unprovoked attack,

Unprovoked attack? Are you f*cking kidding me?

114 rockets into Israel in the last 5 days. That's not provocation? 1,700+ rockets since the beginning of the year. Not provocation?

Wake the f*ck up dude.

Alan so 115 would have been provocation but 114 is OK. right? They just needed to stop them before they provoked something, they were doing a good thing here. Get off the crack pipe Alan 114 hits might provoke mental instability!

Alan,

You are clearly misinformed, an antagonist, or hopelessly lost when it comes to the history of the Isrealis and the so called "Palestinians".I'm with Chris all the way on this one plus I add;

Palestine does not exist. Isreal does. Do some research....real research...all the way back to 2000 bc. Palestinians should feel lucky to be under the Isreali umbrella. If they do not like living in Isreal, there are plenty of other places they can go....'cept nobody else wants them so....hmmm...let's bite the hand that feeds us....sounds kind of dumb to me but hey, to each their own.

Yes Alan, clearly the Palestinians are being victimized.

Anthony & Others

It was actually the Israeli Prime minister that used the phrase assassinated the Hamas leader. They are not afraid to use the term because realistically it is true. No different when Seal Team 6 assassinated Osama Bin Lyin; no point in being politically correct about it. It is still justified to cut the head off the snake when its poisonous and can't be controlled, but just because its called an assassination doesn't mean its less warranted.

Alan,

Looks like you woke up the correction sleeping giant. You may want to comprehend the entire story before posting your thoughts in the future.

There are thousands of people streaming MSNBC and there are very many who do it just to look for incorrect postings such as yours.

Chris,

I noticed a lot of your posts have f'd up language in there pointed at that person you are either correcting or not agreeing with. Not only this one but many others.

Why do you do that? It's very offensive and says a lot about your personality. Well, your pic does that in itself however, so does your posts. Be nice man.

Have a good day...

MOSES was a Terrorist. He used Biological and Ecological Terrorism in the forms of the Plagues of Egypt. He was also a Mass Murderer planning and carrying out the murders of Egypts firstborn sons. The Hebrews called it Passover...One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter....And dont give me that "God did it" crapola. You know damn well MOSES carried out those terrorist actions and mass murder....

LOL Alan, you really just made yourself look entirely clueless... I really don't support Israel, but even I can see that this was provoked, and Israel has been provoked many times in the past, as well, with no reactionary response. I suspect we wont hear from you on this thread for a long long time.

And then you have Creek Dog playing moral police, yet dishing out his own round of shots. Some of you just crack my $h!t up

Chris,

I noticed a lot of your posts have f'd up language in there pointed at that person you are either correcting or not agreeing with. Not only this one but many others.

Why do you do that? It's very offensive and says a lot about your personality. Well, your pic does that in itself however, so does your posts. Be nice man.

Have a good day...

I guess I just have a mouth like a sailor. 13 years in the Navy will do that to a person. Oh and I agree I do choose to use slightly modified foul language on a regular basis as it does tend to emphasize my point at times. IF you've some of my posts you'll have noticed the language is never directed at the person, usually just as adjective to something I stated.

As for the pic I use, you're way off base there. It's from a scene from The Crow in which he's feeling great sorrow. So how that relates to ANYTHING about me, I have no f*cking clue. (and yes I chose to use that language) I simply thought it was a great side of him. Closest I come to that was Halloween '94 when I dressed up as him to take my nephew out.

Unprovoked attack? What kinda moron statement is this Alan Pugh....or is it puke?

THEY have taken how many rockets into Israel? They have a right to defend themselves. Drop the God sarcasm, go worship some worthless idol like, I dunno, Obama, and drink some more liberal koolaid.

Israel!----You go do what you have to do!---America is behind you!.....(even if our administration is not!)

Texson55:

THANK you for your support.

You are right, but, just to clarify, CONGRESS supports Israel - the PRESIDENT does not.

Obama is the most anti-Israel President since Carter.

Tbow009 -

You forgot about those sharks programed to kill. The Jews used them on the Egyptians when the Red Sea parted.

Chris,

Copy that. I actually laughed a little reading your post. BTW, we do share the same name. CD (Creek Dog) are my avatar initials and coincidentally, my real name initials CD (Chris DeAngelis). Yeah, I don't mind posting my real name.

Take it easy man.......

customgpc,

Have a nice day...

@Creek Dog

I apologize for the tone of my comment to you, I get carried away sometimes. You have a great day as well.

Alan Pugh....or is it puke?

Classy.

I suspect we wont hear from you on this thread for a long long time.

I own my mistakes. I'm well-versed on the history of the conflict but was unaware of the recent attacks.

Palestine does not exist. Isreal does. Do some research....real research...all the way back to 2000 bc.

Israel was created by decree 64 years ago. You can believe in your old books if you want, but you can't use them to deny reality. Find a map from the early 1940s and show me Israel, if it's been there for 4,000 years as you claim.

I have nothing against the existence of the country, by the way, but the army of pro-Israel supporters that come out in droves on these message boards to label any attempt toward neutral diplomacy as some form of anti-Semitism makes it very difficult to have an honest conversation and work toward a fair resolution without invoking mythology and made-up history.

"I have nothing against the existence of the country, by the way, but the army of pro-Israel supporters that come out in droves on these message boards to label any attempt toward neutral diplomacy as some form of anti-Semitism makes it very difficult to have an honest conversation and work toward a fair resolution without invoking mythology and made-up history."

So no Judaa or Isreal 4000 years ago? No Jews or Isrealites? You mean archeologists have been digging up scrolls and pottery and tools and all sorts of stuff that clearly come from Judea and Isreal from even before biblical times? Man, I have been fooled by hundreds of credible archeologists! They have been conterfitting this stuff and selling us a whole alternate history. All to save little ol Isreal for the Jews.

Thanks Alan! I am enlightened now. I can sleep well tonight knowing that amount of people from all over the world can pull such a conspiracy off!...lol. fruity pebble....

BTW...you asked for the backlash from all of these people with your God comment. I'm pretty sure you could have entangled in some pretty interesting dialog had you not just come out and insulted God.

I'm pretty sure you could have entangled in some pretty interesting dialog had you not just come out and insulted God.

Two things I wanted to say... one in my defense and the other not so much.

1. If you read back through my comment history, I'm not usually quite so... I guess I have to go with dickish. I'm not quite so dickish. I've honestly had a rough week and my last two posts are not indicative of how I like to carry myself. I'll be on vacation in 18 hours to get rid of the burnout and get back to normal. Sorry for the hostility.

2. I didn't intend to insult God, but rather to deny that I can comprehend such a thing as God. I find the concept of God and the stories in the Bible to be irrelevant to who owns what land. It disturbs me to know that people say "Israel has a right to this part of your country because this book says it used to be theirs a few thousand years ago, so turn it over." Paper lies still, you can write anything on it.

At the end of the day, I stand by the fact that I'm 100% for a two-state solution. I simply feel the people who make the final decision should be secular and rational and neutral, and that means world leaders are pretty much all out, because they've ALL taken sides.

Have we got the guts to do something like this to a terrorist?

Sure, through our funding to the Isreali military. It works too.

Have we got the guts to do something like this to a terrorist?

Why don't you ask Bin Ladin that question?

He is too busy with his 72 virgins right now but he'll get back to you...lol.

@ someotherguy-1373018, Don't go thinking Obama can take a bow for the demise of Bin Ladin....that's purely the United States Marines/Seals. Obama already claimed he would have liked to put Bin Ladin on trial instead of killing him........so he could tell us for the next 4 years that "it's under investigation", instead of letting justice claim the POS....

Israel is the "Texas" of the Middle East. Go Israel!

As long as we are not asked to get involved monetarily or physically, I guess it's okay. Dont start something you cant finish on your own....

I still don't like the way Israel has treated their neighbors and have physically starved and economically choked the life out of the Palestineans. I know and understand WHY they do it, but still don't like it. Too..... Nazi-ish for me...

tracontech, you think we are safe? Think again they don't like us either. We are so un-ready to fight a war like this it is un-believable. You will need a harder skin, you better be willing to kill women and children because they are being taught to kill you.

tracontech,

Why don't you just leave if you don't like "rednecks". They are American as anybody else and a good deal of the people you call "rednecks" fight and die for our country and your right to hate them.

....love the pig...it suits you I think.

My cousin lives in texas and she's not a redneck she grew up in California. That was a redneck statement if you ask me!!!

I guess that goes for MOSES too who was probably the first recorded terrorist leader and mass murderer. For it was MOSES who planned and carried out the devastating plagues of Egypt, Biological and Ecological Terrorism. For it was MOSES who planned and carried out the murder of Egypt's firstborn sons aka Passover...One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Yes Tbow....we all watch the History Channel too...lol.

Moses did that? Amazing! Here I thought it was God and all....lol.

Moses freed his people from slavery. Hardly the same thing as laying claim to land that does not belong to you, teaching your children to hate and kill, and murdering innocent people who do not wish the same on you.

I think I got that right. Didn't know he had the god-like power to bring about the 7 plagues that devistated Egypt all on his lonesome.

He was a terrorist....we didn't mind.

Travis from Soviet Occupied New England

Well, so much for that ceasefire

#2 - Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:22 AM PST

Travis.

Yesterday within an hour of the "agreement" a missile was fired into Israel.......

Those Hamas leaders seem to have short life expectancies. Not a job I'd want.

@Ixor Kleb

Yup. 114 rockets in the last 4 days alone.

Most of us have no clue what the Israelis within rocket range go thru. Can you imagine having to drop everything and get to your bomb shelter 3-4 times a day when those sirens go off? And yet some people on these forums still whine when Israel retaliates.

As for Sax1031

so it is "assassinated" when Israel does it.

But when the US government bombs an american citizen from a predator drone, who was denied due rights by the US government, it is simply a killing.

Common sense tells you that if you're an American and you travel to a Middle Eastern country with the sole purpose of gathering a group of people together with the intent to conduct attacks on other Americans, you don't get to do it without facing the consequences. Only a stupid motherf*cker would think that's like being pulled over for speeding where you get arrested, go to court and pay a fine. I promise you, there are plenty of us patriotic voting Americans who are just fine with the fact this bastard is dead. I will shed no tears for that traitor.

That guy that the US killed shouldn't have been over there working against US.

That's the funniest damn thing I've read all week!

Expensive ?

I think it was a bargain if it saved ONE life.

It's not like Israel has to pay for them!

LOL..so you say. Hammas will say that 12 children and a milk factory was hit.

That's 12 less bomb carriers and one less supply depot!

Jeff,

They should stop placing their terrorists in milk factories and schools then...lol

Troy:

I know you said this "tongue in cheek", but the reality is far more dark.

Hammas fires these rockets from populated areas, which, in turn, results in civilian casualties, which, of course, results in world condemnation against Israel. NOT that Israel has a choice - they either respond, or allow the rockets to fall with no ramifications.

It's just too bad Hammas does not value the lives of their OWN children, or, at the very least, value their hate above their own children.

Indeed I did. Isreal should snuff Hammas ALL THE WAY OUT in my opinion.

Just so you know, most us logical and rational minded Americans in no way condemn Isreal for defending itself. We are on the same team. We face our own enemies over there. They have killed our own innocents too. We just have the fortune of being alittle harder to reach.

imanutjob...gets my vote..................

The Sderot Calculus

• By BRET STEPHENS

• wall street journal February 28, 2008

The Israeli town of Sderot lies less than a mile from the Gaza Strip. Since the beginning of the intifada seven years ago, it has borne the brunt of some 2,500 Kassam rockets fired from Gaza by Palestinian terrorists. Only about a dozen of these Kassams have proved lethal, though earlier this month brothers Osher and Rami Twito were seriously injured by one as they walked down a Sderot street on a Saturday evening. Eight-year-old Osher lost a leg.

It is no stretch to say that life in Sderot has become unendurable. Palestinians and their chorus of supporters -- including the 118 countries of the so-called Non-Aligned Movement, much of Europe, and the panoply of international aid organizations from the World Bank to the United Nations -- typically reply that life in the Gaza Strip is also unendurable, and that Palestinian casualties greatly exceed Israeli ones. But this argument is fatuous: Conditions in Gaza, in so far as they are shaped by Israel, are a function of conditions in Sderot. No Palestinian Kassams (or other forms of terrorism), no Israeli "siege."

The more vexing question, both morally and strategically, is what Israel ought to do about Gaza. The standard answer is that Israel's response to the Kassams ought to be "proportionate." What does that mean? Does the "proportion" apply to the intention of those firing the Kassams -- to wit, indiscriminate terror against civilian populations? In that case, a "proportionate" Israeli response would involve, perhaps, firing 2,500 artillery shells at random against civilian targets in Gaza. Or should proportion apply to the effects of the Kassams -- an exquisitely calibrated, eye-for-eye operation involving the killing of a dozen Palestinians and the deliberate maiming or traumatizing of several hundred more?

Surely this isn't what advocates of proportion have in mind. What they really mean is that Israel ought to respond with moderation. But the criteria for moderation are subjective. Should Israel pick off Hamas leaders who are ordering the rocket attacks? The European Parliament last week passed a resolution denouncing the practice of targeted assassinations. Should Israel adopt purely economic measures to punish Hamas for the Kassams? The same resolution denounced what it called Israel's "collective punishment" of Palestinians. Should Israel seek to dismantle the Kassams through limited military incursions? This, too, has the unpardonable effect of resulting in too many Palestinian casualties, which are said to be "disproportionate" to the number of Israelis injured by the Kassams.

By these lights, Israel's presumptive right to self-defense has no practical application as far as Gaza is concerned. Instead, Israel is counseled to allow goods to flow freely into the Strip, and to negotiate a cease-fire with Hamas.

But here another set of considerations intrudes. Hamas was elected democratically and by overwhelming margins in Gaza. It has never once honored a cease-fire with Israel. Following Israel's withdrawal of its soldiers and settlements from the Strip in 2005 there was a six-fold increase in the number of Kassam strikes on Israel.

Hamas has also made no effort to rewrite its 1988 charter, which calls for Israel's destruction. The charter is explicitly anti-Semitic: "The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!" (Article Seven) "In order to face the usurpation of Palestine by the Jews, we have no escape from raising the banner of Jihad." (Article 15) And so on.

It would seem perverse for Israeli taxpayers, including residents of Sderot, to feed the mouth that bites them. It would seem equally perverse for Israel merely to bide its time for an especially unlucky day -- a Kassam hitting a busload of schoolchildren, for instance -- before striking hard at Gaza. But unless Israel is willing to accept the military, political and diplomatic burdens of occupying all or parts of Gaza indefinitely, the effects of a major military incursion could be relatively short-lived. Israel suffered many more casualties before it withdrew from the Strip than it has since.

Perhaps the answer is to wait for a technological fix and, in the meantime, hope for the best. Israel is at work on a missile-defense program called "Iron Dome" that may be effective against Kassams, though the system won't be in place for at least two years. It could also purchase land-based models of the Phalanx Close-In Weapons System, used by the U.S. to defend the Green Zone in Baghdad.

But technology addresses neither the Islamic fanaticism that animates Hamas nor the moral torpor of Western policy makers and commentators who, on balance, find more to blame in Israel's behavior than in Hamas's. Nor, too, would an Iron Dome or the Phalanx absolve the Israeli government from the necessity of punishing those who seek its destruction. Prudence is an important consideration of statesmanship, but self-respect is vital. And no self-respecting nation can allow the situation in Sderot to continue much longer, a point it is in every civilized country's interest to understand.

On March 9, 1916, Mexican revolutionary Pancho Villa attacked the border town of Columbus, N.M., killing 18 Americans. President Woodrow Wilson ordered Gen. John J. Pershing and 10,000 soldiers into Mexico for nearly a year to hunt Villa down, in what was explicitly called a "punitive expedition." Pershing never found Villa, making the effort something of a failure. Then again, Villa's raid would be the last significant foreign attack on continental U.S. soil for 85 years, six months and two days.

Excellent post, Ixor- thanks.

Ixor Kleb

Always rewarding to read your posts. Thank you.

JPinMN

There was much other damage. Seems the IAF also took out 20 long range missile installations that could reach Tel Aviv. Not surprisingly each one was hidden in houses in civilian neighborhoods. They also bombed weapon and explosive storage facilities. As for taking out the Hamas military leader, it was HIS decision to place these arsenals inside civilian neighborhoods, blame HIM for any collateral damage.

Ixor: I think providing additional highlights of their murderous covenant will complement your already excellent post:

The desire of the Muslims to commit Jewish genocide has existed since the days of Allah and did not start with the onset of the Arab-Israeli conflict. With regards to imposing Sharia law, they make no distinction between lands originally Muslim and lands that they conquered by force. They are also not in favor of “peaceful solutions,” and prefer to kill or be killed. They believe that the Jews started the French Revolution and the first and second world wars and their views on Jews and financial institutions are comparable to the Nazis. They claim freedom of all religions under Islam though go on to say that “Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people” and that “Peace and quiet would not be possible except under the wing of Islam.”

Sharia Law: Soon coming to a kindergarten near you.

The Covenant

of the

Islamic Resistance Movement

18 August 1988

Article Six:

The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement,
whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to
raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of
Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their
lives, possessions and rights are concerned. In the absence of Islam, strife
will be rife, oppression spreads, evil prevails and schisms and wars will break
out.

The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

Article Eleven:

The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an
Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that. Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day. This being so, who could claim to have the right to represent Moslem generations till Judgement Day?

This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement.

Article Thirteen:

Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight. "Allah will be prominent, but most people do not know."

Article Fifteen:

"I swear by the holder of Mohammed's soul that I would like to invade and be killed for the sake of Allah, then invade and be killed, and then invade again and be killed." (As related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

Article Twenty-Two:

For a long time, the enemies have been planning, skillfully and with
precision, for the achievement of what they have attained. They took into
consideration the causes affecting the current of events. They strived to amass great and substantive material wealth which they devoted to the realisation of their dream. With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.

You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations
through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it.

Article Twenty-Eight:

Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people. "May
the cowards never sleep."

Article Thirty-One:

The Islamic Resistance Movement is a humanistic movement. It takes care of human rights and is guided by Islamic tolerance when dealing with the followers of other religions. It does not antagonize anyone of them except if it is antagonized by it or stands in its way to hamper its moves and waste its efforts.

Under the wing of Islam, it is possiblefor the followers of the three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - to coexist in peace and quiet with each other. Peace and quiet would not be possible except under the wing of Islam. Past and present history are the best witness to that.”

Look up: “Avalon Project: Hamas Covenant 1988,” Yale University School of Law for more information.

Moroccan:

Please go back to your hookah and hashish so the rest of us can deal with reality.

jbebatwo,

It works for the Muslims

jbebatwo your ignorant to say there is no God. It shows your lack of understanding and knowledge, and yes, faith. Go research bible prophecy and find out all that has come to pass throughout all known history and what is happening right now and what is still to come, yes, it's all in there. Do a little research before you spew your atheistic, knee jerk reactions.

The only issue with religion in the middle east is that most of them chose to follow the false prophet. They were warned.

Actually Biblical prophecy speaks of a thousand years of peace afterwards, it's only those who don't believe in the love of God who are doomed...so your fear speaks volumes, and your education (knowing that the rebuilding of the temple would trigger what is described in the Bible as the Tribulation) can only point to you possibly being on the wrong side of things.

And I'm sure that nuclear bombs to the whole region would do nothing at all for regional tensions. *sarcasm* Fool.

Good morning, Ixor. ☺

It works for the Muslims

Yes it does, doesn't it??? Imagine that!!!

Nice work, Israel.

Love waking up to good news.

Tired,

WW3 is inevitable. Lots of people will die too...might as well be pragmatic and get that temple back where it belongs.

We

..are waiting for the rest of your comment, Biarrote..lol

it could be fill in the blank...hhhmmmm...

WE Love Israel!!!

So now that Israel has taken one big open step into controlling their own destiny it would be good to know how Obama and Clinton will react...My guess is deny-ability. It seems that neither know what is going on right under their noses. That is us anymore...an America in the dark.

Uh...no, 45...the people that make anti-Israel comments ARE anti-Semitic. They know they are in the camp with Hitler. It isn't a surprise to them.

Duke, thanks, and I am aware of that, but there is an element in society that just mimic what others say about Israel, they have no basis but what they have been indoctrinated with, especially if they listen to the Muslim parts of society. And I'm sure many who hate, do not associate themselves with being a Nazi.

Listen to how stupid your comment is. You claim that no one person has the right to disagree with the actions or policies of the Isaelis without being labeled as an "anti-semite." This would give Israel the right to do what ever it wants, without fear of any criticism from anyone. That is called "totalitarianism" and is found whereever there are "dictators" or "tyrants" in power. Although you may personally not care, most of humanity doesn't fall for this bull sh*t.

@Johnny, I don't think it's that as much as you are pretending the world around you is a mythical one filled with peace loving people. There are people that want to take away rights, destroy whole peoples (lran has said many times the holocaust didn't exist, that Israel is going to be wiped off the map) which means by advocating these ideols, you open yourself up to scrutiny. Go live overseas my man, say....IRAN... give it a few years, visit a few countries like Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq, come back, and tell me how wonderful the freedom to the common people are. For that, of course people are going to tell you that you do not have the right to say those things, they disagree because what comes out of your mouth is foolish. Read a book, instead of trolling pro-islamic posts, trying to convice the public of things we know differently. Our ancestors, white, or european, fought for years to win back lands Islamic nations tried to take. Look up Spain's history and the invasion of muslims from Africa. Look up the history of all the crusades. And you ask us to ignore what our ancestors knew? What they fought against? Your ignorance of history is appaling, and is the only reason you speak so much crap. It's obvious you know very little about Islam and it's never ending war to destroy NON muslims.

It's important to note why Europe and so many hate the jews.

The Catholic church as late as 1965 blamed jews collectively for the death of jesus. Melito of Sardis was one of the firsts to put this idea forward.

Both Byzantine and Western churches really promulgated this idea and openly preached about the evils of jews.

This is why you see Europe blaming Israel for everything, even though it is Europe who is responsible for Israel existing in the first place.

I'm an atheist, I do not believe in god given rights to anything, you may as well call it tooth fairy given rights.

That said, Israel has been a country my entire life, with real people, men, women, and children. Gaza also is a place with Men, Women, and Children.

Golda Meir said that when the arabs love their children more than they hate the jews, there will be peace.

I believe that. If you look at Israels records with neighbors that are peaceful with them, they live in peace ie: Egypt, Jordan. Hamas does not want peace. That fact should be very clear to anyone that looks into anything they have said or done.

The real problem here is religion. Not the jewish religion, or islamic religion, or christianity. It's ALL of them.

All three abrahamic religions want to lay claim to the geographic region that is the confluence of their religious histories.

Dear Johnny, "Most" who disagree with Israel are anti-Semitic. They are our allies, and we are supposed to be theirs, as well. Plus, there is not a tyrant in leadership, in Israel, nor a dictator, so save that argument. They are just trying to survive another day, from being surrounded by billions who want to annihilate them from the plant, and then destroy America next. If you want to stand on the side of the Muslim, then move there, because if you disagree that Israel is the land of the Jews and that taking action to protect themselves is wrong, then you are a Muslim and terrorist sympathizer, in my opinion and you should get a new address.

@losghost- First of all Christendom was founded hundreds of years before Islam, and Judaism further back than that. Also Christianity and Judaism share a common link. They Byzantines were advocating attacking the muslim states because the whole of Islam was invading them! Read your history. It's one of the main reasons the crusades started. Furthermore, the site in Jerusalem where the Temple Mount should be was prophecised in the Bible and Jewish records.

Again though, this is not the confluence of their religions, this was a Jewish spot, founded by a Jewish king (if you'd bother to read any) then took by the sword by Muslims, and recaptured by Christians, then again by Muslims (after about a hundred years).

It's all about religion, and if you think it's not, go live in Iran and practice your atheism, and see the difference between living in a free country to an Islamic one.

Also, there is no history of peace which you speak of. There was a huge war in the 60's though it only lasted a few days, and Egypt has been unfriendly with Israel since Biblical documentation.

Again people, losghost is just another ignorant poster who is not worth listening to.

.45 ( cal i hope)

agreed, but don't worry I'm certain they will show up, probably led by the AZ GOATHUMPER, TOMBSTONE,PIZZA he always shows up on the mideast threads.

It is interesting to note that for the most part (and with a few exceptions) Christianity, Judaism and Islam coexisted very nicely together -- until 1947. Then things began to unspool.

As to the comment on being an atheist -- it must take an immense amount of faith to be an atheist. Let me say two things: don't close the door on religion. Interestingly, cosmologists who have traditionally been atheists have been moving to agnosticism. Doesn't seem like a big step but it's huge. . . . Second, the issue is not so much religion as it is politics. The politicians are the ones who really stir the pot. And cause the trouble.

gm IA. ☺

after yesterday, maybe he got outta town - for good. what a loser.

I disagree with you who say most who disagree with Israel are anti-Semitic, I for one do not agree with everything in Israel, but I don't understand everything either. I am not a religious person so I don't see things that way, though I do understand them some what form reading history and religion. The years of fighting seem to never end and it seem like Israel is just as much at fault as everybody over-there. How far back in history do you go to be able to claim land? How much land do you get to claim? If an American can answer one of these question, than we better take an inward look at the Native Americans, and the Mexicans, because this was there land first, think about it. it was also French, Spanish, and English. Oh I think Russia might have a claim too.

bubba-1946427

I disagree with you who say most who disagree with Israel are anti-Semitic, I for one do not agree with everything in Israel, but I don't understand everything either. I am not a religious person so I don't see things that way, though I do understand them some what form reading history and religion.

Israel was created by the League of Nations and the four principle victorious allies of WW1. It was upheld in the UN Founding Charter Chapter 80...then reaffirmed/recognized by the UN G.A. in 1948.

They (most of the world) recognized the Jewish Nation was brutally oppressed for 2 thousand years as a minority in the Holy-land and as "guests" everywhere else subjected to pogroms or peace depending on the whims of the nations where they resided. The obvious solution was to allow them back to their ancestral homeland to finally have a place (albeit damn small-0.2% of the landmass that the Arabs as a whole have) of sanctuary. To deny them THAT is in effect Anti-semetism.

Johnny White,

The Kluckers called. They want their ethos back....lol.

bubba - how can you say Israel is at fault? The land was virtually empty before large numbers of Jews immigrated there in the early 1900s and started BUYING land from willing Arab sellers. They did not steal it - they bought it. Then they drained the swamps and irrigated the deserts and planted forests which did not exist anywhere in Israel at the time, and turned it into a place worth living in, with a liberal western democracy - the only one in the middle east.

But because they are Jewish the Arabs want to kill them all and eradicate their nation from ther face of the earth. They get along really great with everyone who is not trying to murder them and eradicate them. The only people they hurt are those who are launching rockets at them and blowing up school buses with suicide vests. So you claim it is their fault, that they fight back when attacked for no reason?

bigteks1, where did I say Israel was AT fault? I stated and rightfuly they are a part of the fault, I did not state they stold any land or that they are not entitlae to land as a nation or a people, I also did not state that they were not willing or trying to work the matter out peacefully, Do not put words in my mouth that is how wars start, and that is so much B...s... that the only people they hurt is those who try to eradicate them. They are man, read the bible as a military history and you will find they can be as power hungry as the next man. Power corrupts. If they had the power they would be as corruptable as the next. A book would not stop them, no matter who you believe it is written by, that book the way it is written, someone would find a reason for the destruction of the others.

Yes, Rockin' -

The Jews who you all seem to worship are behind most of the wars and killing today

SO, let's see - Mali Kenya Nigeria Yemen Pakistan Sudan Algeria Philippines Somalia Moscow
Tanzania (kidnap and beheading of Christians) Mauritania (kidnap/killing of 4 frenchwomen)
China (Al Queda urging the Muslim minority to engage in Jihad against the Chinese)
Kabul (bombing of the Indian Embassy) -

yes, ALL having to do with Jews, right ?

Egypt, Lybia, Syria - ALL Jews, right ?

Sudan.... ?

India and Pakistan ?

Kosovo ?

Korea ?

And YOU tell OTHERS to get educated ? And you call ME a sheep in post 11.8 ?

Isnt that kinda like the camel calling the sheep black ?

Right! Especially when those 'virgins' all look like Yasser Arafat in drag.

I like to know where they get all of these virgins in the first place? They got some magical town?

Shut up duck of windsor. You are a brainwashed, feeble minded, jackass. You need to be splattered all over the place and then the IQ of the planet would immediately jump with you gone. Reading your gibberish is like reading the rants of a retard.

ORB, I am literally lmao!

I should also add, that from your comments, I believe you to be an Muslim, despite what you put up about a military career. Usually "Christian Zionists" is reserved as an insult by muslims towards us, but I hate to break this to you, I find nothing inflammatory about your "insults."

Nice try SHILL!

Still does not top the "jewish" Talmud that states "jews" can lie, cheat, steal, and even MURDER "Goyim" (cattle, or ALL non "jews")!

Ever read "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion"? Not a forgery!

Ever hear of the "jewish" PRIVATELY OWNED/RUN US Federal Reserve "usury" system, and Wallstreet, or of the TRILLIONS of US Dollars they have STOLEN from the US Tax Payer? Hell even Jesus CONDEMNED "usury"!

American's, WHY should we pay private bankers interest chrages to loan us our own money? Think about that folks because that is EXACTLY what we do!

Who owns/runs ALL of the "MSM" in this country? ALL Kosher!

Who has the nerve to charge the American Taxpayer a "Kosher Tax" for items such as Aluminum Foil, Dish Detergent, Laundry Detergent, Salsa, etc., etc!

Who controls the world's Illegal Organ Harvesting Operation? Ask your Rabbi! Then again he probably won't admit it even-though it has even been in the news!

What "religion" has their "Rabbi's" suck the blood DIRECTLY from a boys penis after circumsicion with their mouth? Need I say? Can you say Herpes!

Need I go on SHILL?

US Army Veteran

Marc C. Daniele

Hercy, Mo.

astounding - You are correct. mc69 is a muslim extremist and, he says, he lives in missouri. I would say Dearborn.

m6c9d200

Nice try SHILL!

Still does not top the "jewish" Talmud that states "jews" can lie, cheat, steal, and even MURDER "Goyim" (cattle, or ALL non "jews")!

You obviously dont know how to read talmud. Did you read the Aryan Nations Talmud Cliff Notes?

That minority opinion you mention was provided during the aftermath of the near decimation of the Jewish people by the Romans. That opinion did not rule the day. Apparently vindictiveness was not the ruling rabbinical majority's strong suit.

I entertain Rabbi Meir Kahane's opinion that if an Arab is coming to kill you: kill him first. What is the Marine take on such a statagey?

Have you ever been in a situation where a bunch of people have been trying to exterminate you? Maybe not a fellow Jew...but a fellow marine? What opinion and stance would you promote against the perpetrators?

If you buy into the Protocols of_____— then you are the perfect unquestioning grunt the Corps crave.

The Hebrew word (actually Aramaic) for Cattle is Not "Goyim"

Calling someone a "shill" is no substitute for a substantive refutation.

No need astounding. I think you just literally posted the entire Koran. lol

It wasn't fairy dust that brought down the Twin Towers and Bldg 7 into their own footprints and it wasn't air planes. It was nano thermite, set by the 5 Dancing Israelis. Bldg 7 was not even hit, yet it fell to the ground in 6.5 seconds, just after the owner, Silverstein, said "pull it", which are the words used to pull down a building in a controlled demolition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A3dW_gUwOg

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html

@Ralph, so I guess you also believe Elvis was taken by aliens eh?

Start thinking, instead of being led like a sheep. Conspiracy theorist, you and Johnny White should go smoke a nice load of crack and go bowling together.

They are certainly drinking some special koolaid for sure.

Very high "israeli" Rabbi, Rabbi Yosef's 2010 quote "Goyim (cattle) are born ONLY to serve us......"

"israeli" Prime Minister Nut-n-Yahoo, who was also personally involved in STEALING American nuclear triggers said about 9/11 (para), it is good, we (israel) are benefitting from 9/11!

Former "israeli" leader and "jewish terrorist M. Begin "We brought terrorism not only to the Middle East, but to the world"!

"jewish" terrorist M. Begin also said "Our race is the master race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiney is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as slaves"

Need I say more folks!

US Army Veteran

Marc C. Daniele

Hercy, Mo.

Where do the people who call themselves “Palestinians” really come from; this, from the Palestinians themselves.

The link below is to a clip from an interview on Egyptian
TV with Fathi Hamad, the Minister of the Interior of the Hamas government in
the Gaza Strip.

If the link below doesn't appear people can just go on u tube and type in the following title.

"Hamas official reveals where Palestinians came from"

Also, please view:

"The True Face of Islam : Amanpour: Hamas founder's son Hassan Yousef : I spied for Israel"

If the link does not appear just get on
to you tube and do a search of the heading above.

Allow me to help, Basil. I had already posted these on the second page a short time ago but here they are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHbCGC6amdk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZtiUdl9Cd0

BTW M6C: And who do you think killed those poor Marines in Beirut in the 1980s?

"jewish" terrorist M. Begin also said "Our race is the master race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiney is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as slaves"

Really? Please provide a link to your source. You're so full of yourself and, I hasten to add, a discredit to the US military.

Much obliged, Chefaz!

Actually M6C: Please provide a link to all the quotes in your post. Then I'll direct you to the nearest psychiatric hospital. Don't worry, a padded room and psychotropic medication for a few weeks should stabilize you enough to return to the community.

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Basil Romeo

Take a leap! Coming from someone that NEVER served in the US Military you've got a lot of nerve SHILL/"israeli firster"!

I EARNED my right to speak the REAL TRUTH!

And as for the Beirut Marine Barracks Bombing, israel did it! The explosives used, "RDX", were ONLY used by the US military and the "israeli" OCCUPATION forces! Then again I guess you would think the US did this to themselves, huh SHILL?

US Army Veteran

Marc C. Daniele

Hercy, Mo.

The "real truth" you say? But still no links to your "real truth?" I bet you were dishonorably discharged. BTW: I did serve in the Israeli army and witnessed US mechanized units train with the IDF to gain experience in desert warfare in the 1970s and 1980s. There has always been cooperation between the IDF and US military. A tough pill for you to swallow skinhead?

M6C9,

You were taken out of the oven half baked.

The United States and Isreal are brother countries who will never abandon eachother. If you think Isreal will be gone in 20 years tops (your words) then you believe we will too because we will never let them fight alone and they will never let us...I really want to call you all sorts of things but I will just yell them at the monitor and you can use your imagination...all things you said 'cept other way around...lol.

We are all dying to get some objective resources from you but you point us to nothing but a bunch of racist, extremist klucker garbage. Come on dude! Put up or shut up!

To all rational people on this post: Google "Marc C. Daniele from Hercy Mo" and you'll understand what you're up against.

I googled it. I think this one will do....lol!

http://magicalstoryteller.com/

Thanks Troy, you made my day!!

Anytime.

BTW, help me out...what is a "SHILL".

Troy: "A shill is a person who is paid to help another person or organization to sell goods or services" (from Wikipedia). Sorry it took me so long to respond, work, family, etc...

AAAWWWW...

there is no way that the vitriolic creep on this page could be anything like that nice man in your link, troy but actually i think i did find a pix of mcd.

http://www.freakingnews.com/Scary-man-Pictures-18665.asp

this is him, right??? i mean this guy looks just like the creep on here reads.

lmfao!

Now if we could cut that pic and put it in the magicalstoryteller...that would be perfect symbolism for the antisemites infesting this post.

Thanks for the laugh. I think I am saving that one.

GM Alan. ☺

Ditto that. Well said.

The IDF is a poor excuse for an army, which was soundly defeated by Hezbollah, once they got the guts to face them on the ground.

what took you so long to get here Ralph???

where would these hallowed pages be without your continuous negative yammering about Israel??? no one buys it. c'mon...you're an articulate guy and too intelligent to keep spilling this swill...why not come on over to the winning side???

Actually Chefaz: Let him stay where he is. It gives us an opportunity to educate the likes of him on the problems in the Middle East.

You need a passport and ticket to Gaza-I would gladly pay for both. One way that is.

I'm sick of hate filled posters.

Stop reading posts if you can't hang chefaz.

LOL!!! it was a response to jarrod's

Im sick of Isreal

Israel bought the land so they didn't take it. The fight is over political control, not the real estate title which Israel does own fair and square.

As far as whether he was a terrorist, considering he was in charge of launching rockets at civilians in the middle of a cease fire, that pretty much clinches it. Yeah, he was a terrorist.

I thought so...just being a W.A. The Jew haters really flock to these posts chefaz.

Johnny White was killing me for a bit...

I say we all chip in on a one way ticket to "Palestine" for jarrod.

Don't let 'em get to you. Keep fighting the good fight. Good posts throughout, BTW.

I say we all chip in on a one way ticket to "Palestine" for jarrod.

That would work...but wouldn't it cost just a little bit more to go just a bit further and make his vacation destination Tehran??? I'm willing to chip in the extra $$$ if everyone else would.

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I'm game. I think he finally got banned for the day. Haven't heard anymore of his jew hating jargon and he hasn't responded to anything lately.

Man, the hypocrite anti-semite's are out in force today on this and every other thread it seems. I'll chip in to send the hater to gaza, got enough cash to send at least three of them!

Good afternoon Troy and chefaz, playing nice are we?

Seems like it is the same people that are always talking about what loving people they are, then go off in some hate filled rant against our military, Christians, Jewish folks, republicans, or anything else considered traditional.

What's up Tracy! How the hell are ya?

Trying to take the high road today.

We are being blessed with all sorts of anti-semite insite today.

For instance, I didn't know that Isreal didn't exist. It's been on my world map since I was a kid...who knew? I have also been educated that the Jews stole "Palestine" even though it doesn't even exist. All these make believe nations are boggling to the mind....lol. I have been deceived I tell you...lol.

You should read some of Johnny White and M6C9 (some has been deleted but boy these guys are full of unwarrented hate) Unfortunately none of these Jew hating rants come with credible resources to back any of it up. Most of it sounds like something out of an eastern Kentucky Klucker bible.

Israel killing more muslims all over the world?

Jarrod, please tell me more how you 'eat up whatever media crap they are fed'.

Have you even looked at your own post? If anything, learn to spell 'Palestinians' first.

Ignorant people like you piss me off. But you know what you really should do, jarrod? If you really support Palestinians that much, get a ticket, fly there, go see whats up and report back to us, just so 'the media doesn't feed us crap'. That way, you and us both will have an 'inside view' on things with no 'media crap' proxy.

Jarrod, you must be hitting a nerve if the only crit you get is misspelling Palestinians....lol.

Everything else is just inane babble from what I can tell.