The media fauxtography continues...BBC posted footage of a "badly injured" man being carried away to safety by five other men. Thirty seconds later the man is shown – miraculously – walking around, healthy as a lark. Watch the clip until 2:42

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-Vms2eAeUU&t=2m11s

They were offered peace years ago, plus citizen ship. All they had to do was stop their attacks, and state Isreal has the right to exist. They will not accept anything but Isreals destruction.

I guess if you add up the number of Israeli casualties and the number of Palestinian casualties over the last ten years, I think the Israelis are winning decisively, if death is what you use to gauge victory.

If this was an Egyptian, Iranian, turkey, Russia, china, or American plight there would be no gaza it would be taken and renamed.

If u don't like the truth then lie to yourself and everyone else.

Bad bad Israel? No iron dome = justification?

The reason for this tragedy is that Hamas continues to fire rockets at Israeli towns and villages.

That's the reason for this whole mess. If Hamas spent the hundreds of millions they get from Arab governments, and the Billions of Euros they got in aid from Europe and used it to improve the lives of the Palestinians instead of producing rockets in order to target Israeli civilians, then Gaza would be a peaceful tourist destination today, instead of a war zone.

The only reason that Israel is bombing Gaza is because their civilian population is living under constant rocket attacks from Gaza! On the other hand, the Palestinians in the West Bank aren't being bombed because they don't fire rockets at their neighbors. If there would be no more Hamas rockets, there would be no reason for anyone to bomb them.

If the Palestinians use all their resources and all their time in order to build hotels and businesses instead of rockets then their lives will be much better.

geektothebone - you, just like everyone else who doesnt have first-hand knowledge of palestinians should know that they've been the problem since the beginning. the land was never theirs to begin with and when it was donated to the UN by england and create israel they were allowed to stay there. heres the problem: THEY HATE JEWS AND WANT THEM DEAD. so after losing MANY wars (which they started themselves) they are annexed for the safety of the jews around them. oh, and for the record, this war was started because the palestinians fired 130 rockets at israel. so WOW, israel is defending itself. go figure!

if the palestinians cared at all about human life and their citizens they wouldnt continuously fire rockets at israel and they would be overjoyed to be accepted into israeli society. they dont know how to live amongst jews since theyve been taught to hate them for so many generations.

until they learn to respect human life, they will be annexed.

until they learn to respect human life, they will be annexed.

And the same can be said about Netanhayu and the policy of "Eye for an eye"

That is the basic principle of the Jewish "Religion"

I just think its kind of cute that Hamas launches thousands of rocket attacks against the Israelis; then cry like little bi***hes when they get their a$$es handed to them by Israel in return. NO SYMPATHY HERE.

Not true if you know the real history.

Israel started off as a terrorist state towards those around them and the U.S. has been blindly giving them more and more aid without holding the accountable for their actions to those around them from the beginning.

I have no sympathy for Israel at all knowing what I know and what they have done and have been doing over the years.

The U.S. has helped create this mess from the beginning and needs to go in there and end this mess once and for all.

Israel needs to stop stealing land, shooting, bombing, killing people, and being bullies in general.

The U.S. needs to put their foot down and tell Israel enough is enough and its time to settle this and end it.

Under pressure from Egypt, Hamas is calling for a truce. Israel confirmed that it sent a diplomatic team to Cairo to discuss a possible cease fire. Yet no terms have been agreed to. However, cease fire demands from both sides are beginning to emerge in the local media.

What Hamas wants:

1. Israel must completely lift the blockade on Gaza.
2. Israel must stop its incursions into the Gaza Strip.
3. Israel must stop targeted killings of faction leaders in Gaza.
4. Israel must stop attacking Gaza fishermen and firing at them.

What Israel wants:

1. The ceasefire must last for over 15 years.
2. Weapons must no longer be let into Gaza.
3. Hamas and the factions must stop shooting missiles and targeting Israeli forces on the border.
4. Israel may conduct a “hot” pursuit into the Gaza Strip if it has information on an imminent attack.
5. The removal of the blockade will be done from the Egyptian side, not the Israeli.
6. President Morsi is the personal guarantor for the agreement, and not Egyptian security forces.

http://flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/19/israel-at-war-day-5-hamas-fires-114-rockets-at-israel-3-fired-at-tel-aviv-details-of-cease-fire-demands-emerge/

President Barack Obama said he has told Egypt's president, Mohammed Morsi, and Turkey's prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, that "those who champion the cause of the Palestinians should recognize that if we see a further escalation of the situation in Gaza, then the likelihood of us getting back on any kind of peace track that leads to a two-state solution is going to be pushed off way into the future."

How prophetic! It's this kind of brilliance that led to O'bamas Nobel Peace Prize!

JD, you would not know history if it smacked you in the head! Read and LEARN!!!

JD - the land was owned by the UK and donated to the UN which gave it to the jewish people to create israel in 1948. where are they taking land they dont own? they SHOULD own the entire area if it werent for anti-semites trying to kill them.

The palestinians complain of lack of food, etc but they have been able to make 15,000+ rockets. They hide their weapons in hospitals and schools and then they hide behind their children.

The Israelis should not agree to a cease fire unless all weapons are removed and the top 3 Hamas officials involved are turned over. Their holy book allows the palestinians to lie to any infidel, so actions will speak louder than words in resolving this conflict.

Word to the wise, or not-so-wise in the Palestinians' case:

Don't pick a fight with someone that can kick your ass.

What do you expect Israel to do when you launch hundreds of missiles into their country to kill innocent civilians? You only have yourselves to blame, mainly Hamas, for the deaths in Gaza now.

George...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0DJBrO5ux8

You were saying....

GEEK you are an idiot, the Arabs who do live in isreal are treated like half slaves, no different then any other apartheid gov. has treated people like nelson Mandela. You people have no idea, and when you learn the truth, your gonna feel like the moron you are.

JD - the land was owned by the UK and donated to the UN which gave it to the jewish people to create israel in 1948. where are they taking land they dont own? they SHOULD own the entire area if it werent for anti-semites trying to kill them.

rockmebritney - The land was owned by the people living on it. Britain had gained control over it at the close of WWI, with the demise of the Ottoman Empire.

Before 1948, the area now known as Palestine, was a multi-ethnic region, the majority of whose people were Muslim Arabs, the same people which now call themselves Palestinians, as in people of Palestine.

The land was not "donated to the UN". Britain ceded control because they were unwilling to deal with the the terrorist actions of Zionists, intent on recreating a nation which had disappeared 2,000 years ago. The UN. did not give it to the Jewish people. It divided it between the two main ethnic and religious groups living there: Muslim Arabs and Jews.

The largest portion of Palestine was accorded to the Jewish inhabitants, who constituted only a third of the population. A war ensued, in which Palestinians were systematically cleared off of land they had inhabited for centuries, and in which Israel seized most of the remaining land at stake.

Israel was not created out of uninhabited land which Great Britain just happened to have laying around. It was the result of intentional colonization, just like what we Americans did to the American Indians.

It cannot be undone. But it should not be denied either.

The Palestinians are not fooled by your rhetoric. They know that they have been colonized. They are angry about it.

You would be too.

they SHOULD own the entire area if it werent for anti-semites trying to kill them.

BTW: The Palestinians too, are considered Semites, just in case actual facts are important in your world.

JD1966, you know of only one country? What about the US. It went to war with Mexico to get its land and keep slavery which Mexico abolished. Need I mention what we did to the indigenous people here?

Well if we want to go back past 1946 and the middle east sure we can get into that.

I am 1/8 american indian btw.....

It still does not justify what has gone on over there and is still going on over there.

Israeli war criminals continue to butcher innocent civilians while the world simply watches...

Try to spot Irespond in this video!...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ElJFYwRtrH4

looks like she needs a rubber room kornfed! They make medications for that!

dman,

A war ensued,

Very interesting how you glossed over the key part of history here. By "a war ensured" you mean that 5 arab nations attacked israel on the day of its creation in clear violation of international agreement, sparking 6 decades of violence?

Yeah, probably should mention that part...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDohNq9BORo&feature=endscreen&NR=1

Behind the Scenes: Palestinian Demonstrations

See what the Palestinians teach their CHILDREN????

I want to remind you that, seven years ago, Israel withdrew from every square inch of Gaza. Now, Hamas took over the areas we vacated. What did it do? Rather than build a better future for the residents of Gaza, the Hamas leadership, backed by Iran, turned Gaza into a terrorist stronghold. They fired thousand of rockets at our cities, at our towns, at our civilians, at our children. They’ve smuggled thousands of rockets and missiles into Gaza, and they deliberately place these rockets and missiles in civilian areas: in homes, in schools, near hospitals. This year alone, they fired over one thousand rockets and missiles at Israel, including close to 200 rockets in the last 24 hours....

I’m stressing this because it’s important to understand one simple point. There is no moral symmetry; there is no moral equivalence, between Israel and the terrorist organizations in Gaza. The terrorists are committing a double war crime. They fire at Israeli civilians, and they hide behind Palestinian civilians. And, by contrast, Israel takes every measure to avoid civilian casualties. I saw today a picture of a bleeding Israeli baby. This picture says it all: Hamas deliberately targets our children, and they deliberately place their rockets next to their children. Despite this reality – and it’s a very difficult reality – Israel will continue to do everything in its power to avoid civilian casualties....."

http://flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/16/netanyahu-tells-foreign-press-there-is-no-moral-symmetry-the-terrorists-are-committing-a-double-war-crime/

JD

Its not about land, never was! Its about Jesus...the muslims hate Him!

I don't understand what He ever did to deserve such hatred, I mean healing the sick, dying to save the world...seems to me they should be grateful and not hateful.

Max -- Hamas is killing the Women & Children of Gaza!! Israel is responding to constant attacks from Hamas. I believe that most will agree, that the News Organizations are not to be trusted and are bias in their reporting. The last Presidential Election showed that the press is not to be trusted.

Of course woman and children are being killed and injured in Gaza, Hamas uses them as Human Shields.

The media fauxtography continues...BBC posted footage of a "badly injured" man being carried away to safety by five other men. Thirty seconds later the man is shown – miraculously – walking around, healthy as a lark.

Yes, I noticed that. The guy was probably a walking wounded looking for attention. As for the zionist owned and controlled mainstream media who aired it, well they probably noticed it too and aired it for propaganda reasons like for example to make many of us "saps" to see it with our own eyes and say to ourselves "Why those lowlife fake palestinians, I'm supporting Israel"

Palestinians use the same propaganda tactics as libs do. They just take it to the extreme because their children obviously dont mean as much to them. Perhaps they see them as failed abortions, shrug

For Hamas, their "cause" is much more important than the lives of Palestinian civilians....in fact they "USE" civilian deaths and injuries to fuel their "cause", by deliberately setting up rocket launches between occupied apartment buildings, thus luring in Israeli attacks against the rocket men, and "hoping" that an Israeli response will kill or injure Palestinian refugees for the selfish propaganda machine of Hamas.

Hamas sets up their primitive, but deadly, rocket launchers very quickly, fire the rockets and flee quickly to avoid Israeli counter-fire...they do this without forewarning their own civilians that they are placing them in the heart of a bulls-eye.

Eric-NY If they are conducting air strikes in Gaza they are going to kill civilians. The entire territory is smaller than Queens and rather densly populated. The civilians have nowhere to go that is safe- they can't cross the border...

"Israel bombed dozens of suspected guerrilla sites in the densely populated Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip in its campaign to quell militant rocket fire menacing nearly half of Israel's population."

These brave Islamic soldiers use/hide in heavily populated areas.

When they are bombed or attacked, they show weeping and chest beating children and women! Media counts them!

When these very Islamic "warriors"/terrorists attack, they attack heavily populated areas.

As if this is not enough, they attack hospitals to kill even the injured!

Why most are ignoring the children and women blown up to pieces or injured here?

Are there different laws for one-way traffic Muslims and all street traffic non-Muslims?

Israel should bomb the Hamas areas to ground and not send soldiers to enemy areas.

How come it is that all the comments here are limited to the last 70 years or so. Over the last 2000 plus years the jewish people have been HATED, KILLED by the Millions, or SLAVES. Look at the pyrmids in Egypt all built by SLAVES mostly Jews. Look at WWII, 6 MILLION JEWS slaugtered in the name of the Arean race. Now for todays events, once again Israel is DEFENDING itself from a group of religious fanatics that would assume to just wipe the Jewish state from Exixtance..... And try to re-create Palistine, and KILL anyone that get in its way, Like Syria or Egypt, Iran or Iraq or should I say more.

The Israelies are not doing it right, do not follow in the American footsteps, hit them with everything you got, fast and furious, do not stop until you know that all of the enemy are dead. I hate it when innocents die for the stupid, but these mothers send their children to commit suicide for there insane religion. These insane muslim idiots want you dead so do unto them first.

@jay;

How come it is that all the comments here are limited to the last 70 years or so

Because we like to stay current and relevant. I am sure most here know that the Jewish have had a hard time of it in the past.

@Jerry;

Israel does not wish to reoccupy Gaza, they have many internal problems as we do to deal with. This is not about winning this is about acceptance.

Judging by how little Barry is doing - other than to allow Israel to twist in the wind - escalation, not mediation, seems to be the likelier path.

Hamas is interested only in the destruction of the Jewish State. Anybody else see the irony in the demand by Hamas that the Israelis stop killing their military leaders while they focus their efforts on killing citizens? As pointed out in posts above, the muslims sacrifice their own citizens by hiding among them while pointing their own weapons at the citizens of Israel.

It would surely be a shame if the Gaza strip was turned into a giant parking lot and some semblance of peace was retored to the region.

i respond... you are an advocate of hate like so many who post. hate to say you also do not understand the human state of mind and lack the processing skill of what is right in front of you. what would you do if a rocket kill your family, get mad at yourself for seeking justice and/or protection.

this story has been playing itself out since the dawn of man. it is one of many sign. he who has ears, hear; he who have eyes, see.

Jerry-1927474 says:

I hate it when innocents die for the stupid, but these mothers send their children to commit suicide for there insane religion.

From what I've seen the terrorists court new members a lot like the gangs do on American streets. I agree with you though that it makes more sense that the Jews step up their strikes - the fact they don't speaks to their sense of morals as they don't want to kill innocents either. If they had no compunctions about it this would have ended long ago.

@chuck inloathe;

Judging by how little Barry is doing - other than to allow Israel to twist in the wind -

You are kidding yourself on so many levels sir.Why not do some research. Obama is doing and has done things for Israel to be prepared for an attack or to attack Iran if need be, and then some.

Chuck in Olathe

...the fact they don't speaks to their sense of morals as they don't want to kill innocents either.

Just like in the Bible, when the Israelites executed their unprovoked attack on Jericho.

Joshua 6:21 - And they utterly destroyed all that [was] in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.

The Holy Bible may preach peace, but but when it is Christendom or Judaism itself that is threatened it is every Christians duty to defend all that is holy! His Holiness the Pope should call a crusade to reclaim the Holy Lands from the infidel, who deny Christian and Jewish Pilgrims their right to visit the Holy Places. It is time for the armies of Christendom to put aside their differences and unite under one banner, the sign of The Cross, and give back to God's Children what is rightfully theirs, or die trying.

@ expat7 There is no such thing as a Palestenian State, so no, the "Gazan's" don't have that same right, especially when Western Records have stated Israel and it's borders for as far back as Western Records go! It is Jewish Lands. Do your history, find about the Habiru, an ancient nomadic people, warriors who finally gave up wandering and fighting to defend and farm and protect Egypt's northeast border for the Egytians. It was after generations and generations that the Habiru were treated worse and worse as people by each pharaoh (research both the egyptian and hebrew accounts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habiru ) until they finally left Egypt, the Bible says they left "armed"... well, I'll spare you the history lesson. But they became the Hebrew, whose kings built Jerusalem and carved out a small Jewish nation among many enemies.

Find out about the crusades. Then turn to world war 1, where the Ottoman Empire (Muslims) lost control of the territory and the British took over. Learn about World War 2, where millions of Jews didn't have a homeland, a place we gave them when the war ended, look at the consequences of that situation. That is their state, which all Western Civilization recognizes as it's own, the Jews and Hebrews and Israelis have been very tolerant so far. The Dome should be torn down and their own Temple rebuilt, and this discussion of splitting Jerusalem and Israel does nothing good for anyone. There is no "Palestine" therefore there shouldn't be Palestinians. (Do your roman history here to find out why.) Give muslims in Gaza and the rest of Israel an ultimatum to evacuate or be destroyed.

Let the Jews have a homeland, and support our allies. You think the Muslim Brotherhood has anything good in store for Israel or America? Hamas and Hezbollah have taken oaths to destroy both Israel and America. Don't believe me, listen to the co-founder of Hezbollah in this video:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand/escape-from-darkness/escape-from-darkness

Kornfed

Try to spot Irespond in this video!...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ElJFYwRtrH4

This video has nothing to do with Israel. What wackjob goes nutty over a tree? Misplaced emotion.

She does need a rubber room.

Judging by how little Barry is doing - other than to allow Israel to twist in the wind - escalation, not mediation, seems to be the likelier path.

You are right Chuck....Myanmar is so much more important...

It is absurd the way Hamas cries about civilian casualties when they themselves use their own people as human shields. It is all designed to try and gain sympathy by intentionally manufacturing civilian casualties. I think that the number of civilian casualties has been remarkably low considering Hamas' tactics of hiding their rocket launchers and weapons stockpiles in civilian homes, schools, and even hospitals. These Hamas terrorists will set up a rocket launcher right outside the entrance to a hospital and then dare the Israelis to hit it. Then when there is damage to the hospital they sit there and whine about it. They do not care about their own people, so why should the Israelis. The Israelis have shown more compassion for the civilians in Gaza than Hamas has and they have taken great pains to minimize civilian casualties.

I laugh at Egypt being the one trying to negotiate a cease fire while at the same time supporting Hamas and their terrorist actions. Erdogan from Turkey and many of the other Arab leaders are no better. They fear terrorist attacks in their own cities so they will not renounce Hamas for instigating this mess to start with. They are afraid that if they say anything negative about the terrorists then they will be attacked as well. Also, many of the weapons that Hamas is using to attack Israel were smuggled into Gaza through their border with Egypt. Since the fall of Mubarak, the Muslim Brotherhood controlled Egyptian government has completely failed in its responsibility to keep weapons from being brought into Gaza. Not only have they stopped trying keep the weapons from transiting through Egypt into Gaza, they have been actively helping to arm Hamas. Now Hamas has the nerve to make a lifting of the blockade designed to try and keep weapons out of Gaza a requirement for them to stop shooting. This is absurd. The blockade has not prevented any peaceful materials from being delivered to Gaza, it is just that Hamas wants to be able to import more weapons without having to try and hide it. Instead of using all of the money they get in foreign aid from Arab countries to try and improve the lives of their citizens, the Hamas led government in Gaza uses that money to buy and build weapons. Then they whine about the plight of their people and try and blame Israel for it. If they would simply stop shooting rockets at Israel and use the money to improve things in Gaza, the area could turn into an economic center instead of being a war zone. With the beautiful Mediterranean beaches that Gaza has it could turn into a major tourist destination, that is if the fighting stopped and people felt safe to go there. What is comes down to is that Hamas does not want peace with Israel and nothing anyone does, short of completely wiping out Hamas, is going to change that.

Bombs Away!

Seriously, if Al Quaeda took over a county in the United States we would roll in and destroy them, with as little loss of civilian life as possible. But we wouldn't allow those civilians to remain camped out there. Isreal, as far as I am concerned, should do the same. Roll in, and exile the inhabitants. They don't only out of a desire not to fight a grand regional war, which is smart. But if they were strictly doing the right thing, that is exactly what they would do.

Obama fake outs just show the one party only voting mentality at work. Flawed and insufficient, whether you like to wear a Democrat or Republican pin. Thankfully none of the one party vaporheads decided who got elected...again.

Got to move on with people who THINK. Those who do know that the US backs Isreal and the only people who cry otherwise show their own flaws, not that of our government.

@astounding;

The Holy Bible may preach peace, but but when it is Christendom or Judaism itself that is threatened it is every Christians duty to defend all that is holy!

God is against murder, not war as a neccessity. The OT was a different time. The things that came with and after Christ(if you believe) are what you should concentrate on, more than our God as an angry God in the OT.

Up until a few weeks ago, we never heard about all the rockets being fired into Israeli territory by Hamas. It just doesn't get any news. Would the US tolerate rockets being fired at us year after year? This lack of news is similar to when SH was daily ignoring the NO-fly zone in Iraq. So in both cases it was just a daily event.

In order to fire those rockets, those rockets must have been smuggled into Gaza. This is precisely what the Israelis are trying to stop but obviously are limited with any success. So if they allow anything to be shipped into Gaza they risk even more weaponry brought in to increase the violence.

Those siding with Hamas consistently say they condemn the rocket attacks, but they understand that Hamas has no choice since Israel is being unfair. I have heard this POV over and over again on talk radio from those calling in that pretty much hate Israel. This POV is growing especially from the hard left in this country and of course from the UN that does not see Hamas as a terrorist organization. If Hamas leaders were on the up and up they would be out in public just like Israeli leaders that can be seen and interviewed. Instead they hide fearing for their lives because they operate as terrorists.

Nothing will solve this situation. The US has tried to broker a deal and now Egypt? That is really a joke. Israel is going to listen to the Muslim Brotherhood? No way. Maybe it is time to let an all out war get underway and let these two duke it out themselves.

@ astounding;

Sir, with that mentality, if anyone were invaded, your suggestion would be to give up and give in, not to put up a fight at all, because of war.

How do you get this from my post? your post is obnoxiously long. There is a difference in a cane and able, and defending your religion or country. The phrase onward Christian soldiers did not just materialize for no good reason.

@fedup,chuckinloathe;

Obama is the one that secretly sold the bunker busters to Israel. Obama is the one responsible for thousands of troops massing off AQAP, in case Iran attacks Israel or hits us back as hard as they say they will. Obama is the one that has told them they have months if not weeks, and not years to come clean. Obama is the one working with Israel as we speak in case Iran attacks.

To say Obama has left Israel twistin in the wind is truly Ignorant.

PJ - You're blind. Isreal has been quite nice about all this. If any part of the U.S. started firing missiles into a city, say a small county named Gaza County, a place supplied with missles from Iran with people willing to use them, then what would you think the U.S. would do? What would you advocate? If the U.S went into Gaza County USA, with a few thousand troops, leveled everything, and built up new houses for their citizizens would you say the same thing you are saying now?

@Coral Taxi, First it's obnoxiously long to prove to you how many times the same book Islamic worshipers everywhere preach violence against non-muslim. Are you muslim? (If not, those verses apply to you and every muslim believes it.) And by the way, the same Quran over there is the same one read everywhere by muslims.

Secondly, I get that from your post because you said the OT was a different time and God is against murder. It's not murder if you're defending yourself according to the U.S. Federal Attorney General.

@astounding;

It's not murder if you're defending yourself according to the U.S. Federal Attorney General.

Are you not reading my posts?lol

There is a difference in a cane and able, and defending your religion or country.

@Coral Taxi,

Your solution to this whole Gaza problem would be? What more peace talks with nations who claim Israel doesn't exist, or has threatened to wipe them off the face of the map? Egypt has a long and bitter hatred towards Israel. They are a key player in this. Iran doesn't even believe Israel should exist and denies the holocaust doesn't even exist, also key players. The difference is supporting a faction that allows freedom of will, the right pray OR NOT if that is your desire. In Saudi Arabia it is illegal for a Christian to pray. A non muslim cannot even FLY IN AN AIRPLANE for something like twenty miles over Mecca.

My point is, the entire region is Islam, why can't the muslims in Gaza go migrate to another Islamic country if they are so peaceful? Why can't Israel have one little strip of land, which, as documented by western records, Israeli borders predates Christianity itself! Give the Jewish people their little bit of land and support them as we have done.

Use the substitute for oil and make these Sunni Saudis, Shiites Iranians, Hamas all go back to their camel days!

Keep up the great work Benjamin

Coral Taxi

@fedup,chuckinloathe;

Obama is the one working with Israel as we speak in case Iran attacks.

Sure friend, whatever you wish to believe. No doubt the refusal to meet with Netanyaho and the comments by Barry saying Israel is on their own in a response/attck on Iran - these things were just to throw everybody off track.

You act as though your buddy Barry is the first to send weapons to Israel, or that troops in the area are there for support of Israel. What sort of ground war do you think the US would commit to? Do you really believe what you're saying?

If Israel turned off the electricity that it provides to Gaza, it would be no worse than what happened to New York and New Jersey. The people of Gaza would still have their homes with an minor inconvenience. It would get their attention.

Bombing them is the other alternative which will also get their attention.

Hello folks,

Israeli aggression is possible only because of direct, affirmative, unstinting US diplomatic, financial and military support for Israel and everything it does. This ruse and self-flattering depiction of the US as uninvolved, neutral party is the worst media fiction since TV news personalities covered the Arab Spring by pretending that the US is and long has been on the side of the heroic democratic protesters, rather than the key force that spent decades propping up the tyrannies they were fighting (Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, Lebanon, Syria, etc).

Israel has been carrying out deadly airstrikes on Gaza since November 14 and if left to their own devices would be bombing Syria, Turkey and Iran. At least 96 Palestinians, including many women and children have been killed in the Israeli airstrikes. More than 700 people have also been injured, with some of the wounded being in critical condition.

But pretending that the US supporters and the Obama administration bear no responsibility for what is taking place is sheer self-delusion, total fiction. It has long been the case that the central enabling fact in Israeli lawlessness and aggression is blind US support, and that continues more than ever to be the case under the presidency of the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize winner.

Who are we defending? Remember the USS Liberty?

USS Liberty was attacked in international waters by Israeli forces on June 8, 1967, killing 34 Americans and wounding another 174. When Israel can't get the U.S. to do its bidding in attacking the countries they want attacked they perpetrate covert military attacks against the U.S.

General Dempsey, Chairman of America’s Joint Chiefs of Staff, the man who flew to Tel Aviv and informed Netanyahu that America wanted no part of his scheming against Iran was the subject of an assassination attempt in Afghanistan. This wasn’t an act of terrorism or Taliban militants. It was a mob hit by Israel’s Mossad against someone who failed to kiss the feet of Netanyahu. His response was to unleash killers, not a fact for the public but a fact just the same, one the American military knows very well. Netsayahoo is pathologically insane.

What about the land Israel has stolen from the Palestinians much less the thousands murdered and millions displaced. Remember the 1947 UN Partition accord and the land ceded to Israel. That wasn’t enough so Israel encroached on more Palestinian land. The land lines were redrawn in 1967 and Israel keeps redrawing them to this day. Recently, before the all out attack, Israel’s Defense Ministry ordered eight Palestinian villages in the West Bank to be razed, claiming the land is needed for military training.. Hundreds of Palestinians were displaced despite evidence that the villages have existed since 1830. In their magnanimity they let the farmers have back their own land on the weekends to eke out a living, it looks like they will just “annex” it as well. Israel continues to displace innocent men, women and children and wonders why they are targets of terrorism. What would you do if someone took over your home?

Netsayahoo is pissed off that the American elections didn’t go his way so that he would have a more pliable puppet to attack Iran. Now his elections are coming up and he is worried that if he doesn’t mire his country and use fear in an all out war he won’t be re-elected.

The corporate owned US media has depicted Washington as pro-democracy and justifying the Israeli strikes on Gaza as self-defense. The Netanyahu government knows that any attempt to condemn Israel at the UN would be instantly blocked by the US is a major factor enabling them to continue however they wish. And, of course, the bombs, planes and tanks they are using are subsidized by the US taxpayer.

So it is not so surprising to see the American Jewish community and leadership with very very minor exception line up behind Israel, right or wrong as it wages its relentless attack on the men, women and children of Gaza. To this leadership and community, all Israelis are victims and innocent and all Palestinians are guilty and deserve to die. Simply there are no civilians in Gaza, only an enclave of some 1.5 million terrorists who deserve to get killed, murdered in retail or wholesale.

The US is not some neutral, uninvolved party. Whatever side of this conflict you want to defend or if you’re one of those people who love to announce that you just wish the whole thing would go away, it’s still necessary to take responsibility for the key role played by the American government and this administration in enabling everything that is taking place. You are being provided the facts and if you choose to support this aggression you too are complicit in the deaths of men, women and children and will have to own up to the Karma that is associated with these atrocities.

Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Netanyahu and Obama.

Once upon a time it was the objective of the military to win wars. Now the objective of the military is to avoid incidents.

An incident happens when civilians are killed, prisoners mistreated or some other event that is photographed, videotaped and then flashed around the world. This results in an Incident, capital I, that triggers much artificial soul-searching by the media which spends the next two years beating the incident to death and flogging its corpse across television programs, newspaper articles, books, documentaries and finally, if it's a big enough incident, a real life movie version that is based on the book, which was based on the article, where the idealistic reporter/lawyer/activist who uncovered the truth about the incident will be played by Matt Damon or George Clooney.

The main objective of the military in most civilized countries is to prevent this chain of articles, programs, books, documentaries, dramatized plays and Matt Damon movies from coming about by making sure that no Incident can ever happen. And the best way to do that is by not fighting. And if the enemy insists on fighting, then he must be fought with razor sharp precision so that no collateral damage takes place. And if someone must die, it had better be our own soldiers, rather than anyone on the other side whose death might be used as an Incident.

Incidentism isn't derived from a fear of Matt Damon movies, but from the perception that wars are not won on the battlefield, but in the minds of men. And that perception has a good deal to do with the kind of wars we choose to fight.

The military, whether in the United States or Israel, does not exist to win wars. It exists to win over the people who don't want it to win a war.

The guiding principle in such conflicts is to use the military to push back the insurgency long enough to win over the local population with a nation building exercise. This program has never worked out for the United States, but that doesn't mean that generations of military leaders don't insist on going through the motions of applying it anyway.

In Israel, the last time the military was sent to win a war, was 1973. Since then the military has been used as a police force and to battle militias in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank. In the Territories, the ideal Israeli soldier was supposed to be able to dodge rocks thrown by teenagers hired by Time correspondents looking to score a great photo. Today the ideal Israeli soldier is capable of visiting an American college campus to dodge the overpriced textbooks hurled at him by the local branch of Students for Justice in Palestine or the International Socialist Organization, while explaining why the IDF is the most moral army in the world except for the Salvation Army.

The ideal Israeli soldier, like his American, British and Canadian, but not Russian or Chinese, counterparts, is supposed to avoid Incidents. That means operating under Rules of Engagement which make firing at an assailant almost as dangerous as not firing at an assailant.

The ideal American soldier is supposed to avoid the Taliban, or as one set of orders urged, patrol in places where the Taliban won't be found. And that's sensible advice, because if the goal is to avoid creating an Incident, then avoiding the enemy is the best way to avoid an Incident. Unfortunately the enemy has a bad habit of appearing where he isn't supposed to be and creating his own Incidents, because Taliban and Hamas commanders are not concerned about being yelled at in a fictional courtroom by Matt Damon. They actually welcome Incidents. The bigger and bloodier the Incident, the more hashish and young boys get passed around the campfire that night.

American soldiers operate under the burden of winning over the hearts and minds of Afghans and New York Times readers. Israeli soldiers are tasked with winning over New York Times readers and European politicians. But some hearts and minds are just unwinnable. And most wars become unwinnable when the goal is to fight an insurgency that has no fear of the dreaded Incident, while your soldiers are taught to be more afraid of an Incident than of an enemy bullet.

Israeli leaders live in perpetual fear of "losing the sympathy of the world", little aware that they never really had it. The "Sympathy of the World" is the strategic metric for conflicts. And so Israel does its best to minimize any collateral damage by using pinpoint strikes and developing technologies that can pluck a bee off a flower without harming a single petal. But invariably the technocratic genius of such schemes has its limits, an Incident happens, the Israeli leftist press denounces the Prime Minister for clumsily losing the sympathy of the world, and international politicians order Israel to retreat back behind whatever line it retreated to during the last appeasement gesture before the last peace negotiations. And its experts ponder how to fight the next one without losing the sympathy of the world.

American and Israeli generals live in fear of losing political support and so they never put any plans on the table that would finish a conflict. Instead they choose low intensity warfare with prolonged bleeding instead of short and brutal engagements that would finish the job. They talk tough, but their enemies know that they don't mean it. Worse still, that they aren't allowed to mean it because meaning it would be too mean.

Incidentism leads to armies tiptoeing around conflicts and losing them by default. Avoiding them becomes the objective and that also makes Incidents inevitable because the enemy understands that all it will take to win is a few dead children planted in the ruins of a building; in a region where parents kill their own children for petty infractions and frequently go unpunished for it. The more an army commits to Incidentism, the sooner its war is lost. Prolonged low intensity conflicts are ripe with opportunities for Incidents, far more so that hot and rapid wars. And so the hearts and minds, those of the locals and those of New York Times readers, always end up being lost anyway.

War is no longer just politics by other means, it actually is politics with the goal of winning over hearts and minds, rather than achieving objectives. The objectives of a war, before, during and after, have become those of convincing your friends and your enemies, and various neutral parties, of your innate goodness and the justice of your cause. Propaganda then has become the whole of war and those who excel at propaganda, but aren't any good at war, now win the wars. The actual fighting is just the awkward part that the people who make the propaganda wish we could dispense with so they can focus on what's really important; distributing photos of our soldiers protecting the local children and playing with their puppies.

Take all that into account and the miserable track records of great armies are no longer surprising. Armies need to prove their morality to win a war, but are never allowed to win a war because it would interfere with proving their morality. Conflicts begin on the triumphant moral high ground and end with the victors slinking back defeated after an Incident or two has been splashed all over the evening news and the book based on the article on it has already been optioned by Matt Damon's production company for a movie to be funded by the same people who fund the terrorists.

The war of words, the conflict of images and videos, the clash of arguments, has become the sum of war. And that war is unwinnable because it must be fought on two fronts, against the cultural enemies within and the insurgents outside.

An army cannot win a war and win over the New York Times at the same time. And so long as it fears Incidents more than operating in an aimless counterinsurgency twilight that eventually shades into defeat, then it is bound to lose both to both the terrorists and the New York Times.

Daniel Greenfield is a New York City based writer and blogger and a Shillman Journalism Fellow of the David Horowitz Freedom Center.

The only option is for Israel to go in carpet bombing everything insite until the rockets stop and the civilian population is ready to stand up to the Hamas and kick them out. I'm sorry, but if Canada had a militant group inside its boarders that kept firing rockets at the USA and the Government there was doing nothing serious about it, I would back all military action until not one US citizen in the US had to worry in the least about rockets from Canada. Foreign civilian body count would not matter.

The Jews bought the land from the Palestinians at well above fair market prices starting in 1840. The return of the Jews accelerated in the 1930's as Hitler took over Germany. Palestinians who do not sell their land to the Jews, still maintain full property ownership, vote in the Israeli government, have there own elected representative and serve in the Israeli police forces and military.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/270064/not-stealing-palestine-purchasing-israel-daniel-pipes#

If Canada kept annexing the U.S. state by state by force they shouldn't be surprised if people started fighting back!

What, did Israel use "eminent domain" to purchase the land from the Palestinians (ha, ha)? No, they conquered the Palestinian people with the support of Europe and the U.S.

Guns for the Arabs...Sticks for the Jews. Guns for the Arabs....Sticks for the Jews!

@ expat7 There is no such thing as a Palestenian State, so no, the "Gazan's" don't have that same right,

@ astounding, (!), we're talking about the right to *EXIST*, so thanks for going on record and affirming that you and the rest of Israel don't believe Gazans have any right to exist. Thanks for affirming that genocide is okay with you. Thanks for showing the world that diplomacy is not a word that exists in the Jewish vocabulary, that the closest match for it is "war". Jews complain about how they've been shunned though history, and yet when you get your own country, we see this as an example of how you have a double standard about fellow human beings?

What's the lesson here? That Hitler, for all his evils may have actually had a valid point????? You need to step back and take a look at what tremendous disservice people like you are doing not just humanity but yourselves. If you sow war you will reap war.

You can take your history and put it where the sun doesn't shine. Or maybe take a different lesson from it: Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it, and that's not something Jews would want. I certainly don't. While your faith may teach you that Israel lands belong to Jews, I don't believe it for an instant, any more than Jews are somehow a more special people in the eyes of God than any other people, like me. Newsflash: You are NOT more special. You are ordinary. And the sooner you learn that the better off you are going to be. Get off your high horse, and recognize that people are not going to pay any attention to history. Borders have always changed with changing times. It's happened here in the USA, Europe, south America, you name it.

Give muslims in Gaza and the rest of Israel an ultimatum to evacuate or be destroyed.

Ethnic cleansing and advocacy for genocide. It's the New Jewish Way!!!!! And you got 7 other maniacs to agree with this crap?????

Say that again and prove Hitler actually right!!

I don't believe it though. I know there are many Israelis/Jews who disagree with you and the damage you do with this kind of genocidal advocacy.

TylerisATool

Cuba has been under an embargo also termedblockade by the US since 1960. I see no problems with ensuring that your enemies get no outside "assistance" using this method. The world has a financial blockade that is only tightening against Iran.

Tyler, there's a massive difference between an embargo and a blockade. Cuba is only embargoed from the USA, and unlike Gaza, if any other country wants to ship concrete to Cuba, I'm pretty sure that it'll get there. Israel, however, decided that because concrete could be used not as an offensive weapon but potentially a defensive bunker, it's not allowed into Gaza. That people use it to make homes is of course not important to those who feel all people in Gaza should be exterminated.

@Expat - What you fail to understand is the gravity of the situation. Have you seen a map lately? Have you looked at the middle east? Do you know the enemies the tiny nation of Israel is surrounded by? By saying that evacuation orders should be given to gazan's, that's so they can get out, the ones that want to stay and fight let them, that is not advocating genocide. That's telling those Islamic fanatics to get the f out because we're sick of missiles raining down on our cities.

This is a do or die situation, or could be for Israel. They have to fight, they can't sit back here and say this or that, every one of their cities is under threat from a neighbor.

And you're right, we are talking about the right to EXIST! Remember what happened the last time the Jewish people didn't have a home? Have do you recall videos of the holocaust or are you an Iranian who believes it didn't even exist and the Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth, and who IS actually on record as endorsing the extermination of Jews.

Get your facts straight and stop twisting my words. Speaking of proving Hitler right, you'd be aligned nicely with him for advocating the splitting of Jerusalem, the continued rocket fire from Gaza (an Israeli territory).

Give the muslims the right to get out! How's that. If they want to stay and fight, let them, then level the place and build houses for more Jewish Immigrants. There are nothing but Muslim countries surrounding Israel, and you're telling me these "gazan's" can't go find a new home in one of them?

Why don't you watch what the co-founder of Hezbollah tells you what Islam is like instead of me?

http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand/escape-from-darkness

Now if you actually watch it, even if you don't agree with the Christianity stuff, you're telling me you support an Islamic state within Israel? By the way, siding with Islam or the "gazan's" in this also shows you to support their beliefs, marriage at age 7, dictated by the Quran and written in it proof that Muhammed consumated his wife at age 8, you also advocate beheadings....just watch the video, for your own sake.

7 people agreed with me? OH NO! *sarcasm there* Imagine, a county in the U.S. firing missiles into other parts of the u.s. Lets call this county Gaza County USA. Now what do you think the U.S. military would do to Gaza County USA if this started happening, that is Iranian made missiles being fired into neighboring cities and counties? What would your reaction be? Would you be saying what you are now, essentially "No, don't go in there with guns and tanks." Screw that, it's the only way.

Since love and fear can hardly coexist together, if we must choose between them, it is far safer to be feared than loved.

- Niccolò Machiavelli

Learn from history. What do you think will happen if a ceasefire is called. You think everyone in Iran, Egypt and Gaza is just gonna calm down? No, the only reason they haven't attacked in full force yet is because of all the turmuil their own Islamic governments are in around the area.

@expat - one interesting note from your diatribe, is that you said "If you sow war you will reap war." Apparently it has escaped you that missiles were fired first from the muslims in Gaza.

Go back to school and learn history. Islam always has been and always will be at war with anyone NON MUSLIM! Stop believing your liberal media, they are not the religion of Peace! Muhammed captured his first city and anyone who didn't convert was beheaded.... Christ never did this.

Islamic countries have an active religion population bordering on 95%
Christian countries have an active religion population bordering on 25%

WHY? BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE! Stop sticking up for them.

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I know on only one country has been taking land they do not own.

If you want to ignore the truth that is your choice.

I am guessing you are not concerned with Muslims seizing Christian land in many countries and killing all who resist...

I am guessing you are not concerned with Muslims seizing Christian land in many countries and killing all who resist...

Pakistan being a prime example but nary a peep about it from anyone here.

Good post, pulsar.

I hope I dont get banned for this link but it shows quite a few dead babys from Israels bombing...wether who is right of wrong this is unacceptable conduct in war time for any country...Our country supports them so we should say something...Hamas is getting innocent people(babies) killed....Israel should adjust its tactics for this... https://www.facebook.com/pages/vogliamo-i-Parlamentari-in-carcere-per-alto-tradimento-al-Popolo-Italiano/256992010980173

oh btw the Quran is not good for peace if you ask me..but you should also check out Talmudic Jews bible..its basically Satanism...thats not being over the top if you have read this stuff...but this is not like all Jews but they have their extremist too...

People can block what they don't like. But the fact is - bombing civilian population is genocide. Israelis who once were victims have become perpetrators.

@astounding;

All you do is digress away from other points and totally ignore what is said to you.You make it sound like I am a Hamas sympathizer or something when that is not even the point of what we are talking about.

Your solution to this whole Gaza problem would be? What more peace talks with nations who claim Israel doesn't exist, or has threatened to wipe them off the face of the map?

Way to put words in my mouth. You take everything I say out of context then put in your post top try to make me look bad .lol Your obnoxiously long post shows that I hit a nerve.

The Holy Bible may preach peace, but but when it is Christendom or Judaism itself that is threatened it is every Christians duty to defend all that is holy!

I showed how wrong you were here then you went on a tangent. You are misleading others on pourpose and that is not cool. You seem to think your opinon is the only one that matters, this is obvious in your post. Way to digress, common tactic when someone has been proven wrong.

Hamas will never honor a cease fire or peace agreement. My advise to Netanyahu: "Kill them all let God sort them out". It's going to have to be done sooner or later, better to do it sooner before Iran gives Hamas a nuke.

@astounding;

Ahhh another muslim smoked out.

You chastise others when these words show you are the true hater, and bigot. We are against Islamist, and terrorist ideaology not Muslims. Do you not realize we have a Muslim congressman? Your doctor, storekeeper, whatever. This is America we do not hate or judge others by their religion, well most of us anyway.

Get a clue, look in the mirror, what you see might ASTOUND you. You have become just as bad as those you rail against.

@Coral Taxi -

Come on man, what the heck. First of all the long post, again, was meant to serve that exact purpose, to show the extent which Islam tells Muslims to hate NON MUSLIM! Gee, I wonder why all my posts have more votes than yours if you're so right and I'm so wrong here.

I didn't put words in your mouth, I asked a question. Two actually. Which is the first thing you so kindly quoted, which by the way you have still not given an answer for, what is the best resolution to this, in your words, go head, put them down so everyone can see you make the words come out of your mouth and I'm not putting anything in. It was a question, or did you not take grammar in school? (huh oh, I may have you stumped, there's another of those squiggley lines again with a dot at the bottom.)

You showed how you've been fooling yourself into believing Islam is a religion of peace, or whatever it is here you're trying to say, I mean, I don't want to put words in your mouth.

No nerves hit, I just hate when people stick up for Islam and Muslims when their Quran says legal age of marriage is 7 (muhammed himself it says married a girl of that age and consumated the marriage by 8 or 9), forced religion, Israel being shelled...yeah, those strikes nerves. You..., well by advocating for muslims you advocate for the aforementioned and I don't like pedophiles much. pffft, you're just another joke who doesn't know history to well obviously, and furthermore hasn't researched the Middle East, Abrahamic Religions, the link between Christianity and Judaism or anything in between.

Am I putting words in your mouth? I dunno, because all you do is say "are you reading my posts right?" and attempting to hurl insults which is really lame, so just say what you're trying to say instead of just randomly sputtering off nonsense. I gave you alot of info to digest. If you haven't watched the video I posted or bothered to read the last bit of the "obnoxiously long post" ...or at least understood any of it... maybe, just maybe you could speak for yourself? Form your own opinion? You know these are the things we value here in a NON ISLAMIC state. Freedom of thought and speech, go head, spill a few words.

(By the way, pointing out something that says you "proved me wrong" does little for your case when haven't proven anything other than your lack of knowledge.)

And I have become as bad as those I rail against? I don't go out practicing any of those 109 verses of violence, nor do I practice anything endorsed by the Quran which I have mentioned. Thanks for trying to be clever though with the word play on astound. *sarcasm sign*

@Coral Taxi - Oh and one more thing...telling me that I chastise people and it reveals me as a true hater is actually chastising me...so, I'd quote some scripture here for ya but I have a feeling it would pass by your understanding.

Last post of the night, Good luck Israel, go get em!

@astounding - violence is wrong on both ends. I am not knowledgeable enough to say who is at fault. But I am not naive enough to believe Israelis are victims anymore. Palestinians clearly are very poor, they have no real economic strength to fund any major war. So they are pretty much fighting with sticks and stones. These so called rockets are mostly home made. If Iran were to really supply its missiles to palestinians - the Israeli casualties would be 1000 times more.

So cut your bias and think humanely.

In the last 3 years Hamas has fired over 8,000 rockets into Israel. EIGHT THOUSAND ROCKETS!! That is more rockets than Nazi Germany fired into London over the entire WWII. That is an average of over 7 rockets a day fired by Hamas into Israel over the last 3 years. So tell me again who the aggressor is?

Do you think for a moment the United States would allow 7 rockets a day into Florida from Cuba over 3 years BEFORE we reacted? Do you think the United States would allow 7 rockets a day into Texas from Mexico over 3 years BEFORE we reacted?

Understand that Israel and the Jews remember all too vividly what happens when they become defenseless. They remember all too well the MILLIONS of Jews killed by Nazi Germany. They can't afford to be "wrong" again. Israel fights for one reason - survival.

Many in these threads think war is an option. We can debate Iraq and Afghanistan all day. We can argue Korea or Vietnam all day. But whether we went to war in any of those cases or not our immediate survival at that time was not in question. Maybe an argument as to "will be more difficult down the road" is valid but our survival was not at risk. ANY time Israel is attacked their survival is at risk. I think they have been more than patient (much more patient than the U.S. would be if rockets sent into the U.S. on a daily basis) but the time has come to either continue taking rockets sent to kill innocent Israelis or resolve the problem. Israeli is now resolving the problem.

What Moses really said was "Let my people go . . . and we will spend the rest of our time on earth working in unison to make economic slaves out of everyone that ever exists on the same planet as us, for we are indeed 'The Chosen Ones"; by the beginning of the 21th century we will own America."

PJ, home made or not Quassam rockets are not sticks-and-stones, don't be so ridiculous. IED's found in Iraq are also home-made, but by all means please go tell our fallen soldiers not to worry, these explosives are just sticks-and-stones built by poor people.

I wonder why all my posts have more votes than yours if you're so right and I'm so wrong here.

If you judge right or wrong by votes here then you are seriously kidding yourself. I have watched misinformation get hundreds of votes, while the corrrect less popular post get hardly any.

The only thing I showed yoy was that your view on the bible being hypocritical in the aspect of war was wrong. You descended into a hundred other things lol.

No nerves hit, I just hate when people stick up for Islam and Muslims

Where do you get this from my earlier posts? This has absolutely nothing to do with my beginning point you are the one who posted half the quran.lol You are very bigoted. I will defend anyones right to worship how they please here in America. Obviously you do not share these same values

You showed how you've been fooling yourself into believing Islam is a religion of peace,

There you go again.lol. One more time. We are against Islamist and the terrorist ideaology,not Muslims in general.

Show me where I say Islam is a religion of peace. You will not, because you are full of hot air. You will now run away and not prove this.

Oh and one more thing...telling me that I chastise people and it reveals me as a true hater is actually chastising me..

No it is not it is pointing out your bigotry against another religion.

Last post of the night, Good luck Israel, go get em!

Yes duck out while you can. Your post are being voted up by haters of me,not because they are so proliphic as you would like to think.

"So they are pretty much firing with sticks and stones."

Yeah, that's what those explosions were. Violence is wrong on both ends? Show me a country that has not been founded by war sir. Did we not give Israel to the Jews? Why are Muslims still in Gaza then, wanting eastern Jerusalem as their capital? Attempting to try and split Israel? These are not biased opinions, they are facts, learn them, some of them are even Biblical prophecy.

So basically what I got from your post was that Palestinians are poor (which if you do the research, there is no palestine, shows ya how long these people have been forceable, with weapons other than sticks and stones, trying to split up Israel) yet they have been given the oppurtunity for citizenship and denied it because the reject Israel being a nation. Sometimes violence is necessary. If you cannot see that, you do not understand history.

If you do not understand history, then discussing this issue with you is useless. If they don't have all this funding, if they are so poor, answer me this...why don't they move out to another Islamic countries, one that surrounds them. Why did they refuse citizenship if they are so poor and destitute. It seems the biased opinion is on your side, you seem to slightly indicate Israel in all of this by saying they are not victims anymore.

Those are subtle words, and I am thinking humanely. Do you think any country would tolerate rockets, mortors or any group of anti-government party (to the point of denying the countries existince) living like this in their country?

The UN stuck its nose into the mid east and made Israel a nation. When are they going to stick their nose in again and declare a Palestinian state?

Jerusalem should be made into a free zone with people in there to assure all sides can use it as their holy city. As it is, all I see that will likely never change is the nasty influence of every religion in the world telling people how much better they are than everyone else. They are the cause of most of the trouble in the world.

ProBusiness

Do you think for a moment the United States would allow 7 rockets a day into Florida from Cuba over 3 years BEFORE we reacted? Do you think the United States would allow 7 rockets a day into Texas from Mexico over 3 years BEFORE we reacted?

Of course not, but that's not a very good analogy at all seeing as it does not account for the Palestinian point of view at all.

Joseph,

You seem to be infatuated with "innocent people" killed. I agree injury to innocent people should be limited but are you aware that Hamas is shooting rockets FROM schools and hospitals SOLELY for the purpose of using innocent people as human shields? If Hamas was so "caring" then fight like a man and quit hiding behind a woman and a child to protect you.

Israel is doing the best it can to limit innocent injury but when you shoot a rocket from a school the school is no longer a private location it is a military building. During the Iraq war there were a bunch of scum in an old mosque and our military said we cannot bomb the mosque due to its historical value. I have one word - Bull#$@%!! If you are shooting rockets from a building or firing weapons from a building it is a military building. And if you don't want your innocent women and children hurt then don't shoot rockets from schools and hospitals.

Hamas likes to speak of themselves and "fighters" for their cause. If that is the case then fight - but don't be a wimp and a useless piece of sewage scum. Fight like a man or don't fight. To use women and children as shields is about as low as you can go.

Hal???

Was that supposed to be a meaningful response? I tell you that Hamas has fired 8000 rockets in Israel over the last 3 years and your comment is "it does not account for the Palestinian point of view". How does a rational person respond to such a strange and irresponsible comment? I guess the answer is "I don't". Because to try and have a mature and rational discussion with someone who says firing 8000 rockets over 3 years is justified do to their "point of view" is just not possible.

@Coral Taxi -

Get together with pj and go bowling or something. You two lunatics need some therapy. Between mr. "Hamas has nothing but sticks and stones" when they've fired thousands of rockets...and mr. "quit putting words in my mouth" but mainly just repeats what I say....I'm outtie for the night, good luck arguing.

I'll put it in words EVERYONE can understand.

JP/Coral Taxi are writing posts that would lead one to believe they are pro-hamas
Astounding is writing posts that are pro-christian/Israeli

(don't worry I already know Coral Taxi is gonna be like "where are you getting this from, there you go again" but I really don't care, I know him not.) but one more thing Coral Taxi that I did take from your posts..you said you're not "We are against Islamists and terrorist ideology, not muslims"

Eh hem... Islamist=Muslims and their Quran preaches terrorist ideology. Hence again I revert you back to the *obnoxiously long post*

Hang them for being who they are anyway

More proliphic words from astounding. You would also like to bomb cities and colonize them?lol

Go ahead deny it I would love to post that one. You are biased and only count your opinon as the one that counts. Saying I have a lack of knowledge on the ME when you do not have a clue shows you prejudge, and dismiss others opinions that are not yours.

Waiting for you to show me where I said Isalm was a religion of peace as you said earlier, whats wrong cat got your fingers? You are slanderous at best.

JP/Coral Taxi are writing posts that would lead one to believe they are pro-hamas

Once again digression from where we started,but I will bite show me where I am pro Hamas. lol What have I written that I am pro Hamas. Many hundreds here know how wrong you are.

@ astounding;

Your pregidous has overcome your ability to realize the truth.

Eh hem... Islamist=Muslims and their Quran preaches terrorist ideology. Hence again I revert you back to the *obnoxiously long post*

Here now get some truth. So you get my point, before once again slandering me.

Muslim refers to the religion and related culture, while Islamist refers to the modern ideology that is a mix of Islam, politics, social conservatism and anger.

Get it now?

Muslims and their Quran preaches terrorist ideology

Umm no most Islamist do. Eh hem.

astounding

So far I've identified 1,315 Biblical passages depicting, condoning or commanding; rape, murder, mass murder, incest, and crimes against humanity...so what's your point? All Middle-East religions are cruel, violent and misogynistic.

While astounding still has yet to back up anything she has said aout me(still waiting). I will back up the fact that she is pregidous and bigoted, whith her own words and I quote

"Your probably one of those people who think black people have such a hard time here in America too right? Move back to Africa".

No astounding they have had a great time at it. lol WOW. Point and match. Those that live in glass houses should not throw stones, especially lying ones.

@ astounding; Still waiting for you to show me where I am pro Hamas, or that I believe Islam is areligion of peace.Lets just start with those two lies. I would venture to say you are voting on yourself with reregs or friends,unless the end of this vine is uncannily popular.lol

I have proven your bigotry with your own words now back your slander up

Ahhh another muslim smoked out.

Hang them for being who they are anyway

Your probably one of those people who think black people have such a hard time here in America too right? Move back to Africa".

"bomb their cities and colonize them"

Coral Taxi 4 Astounding 0

You may look at my post all you like, you will be surprised to see how pro Israel I am and anti Hamas. I have railed against Hamas for years . I would never say Islam or any religion is peaceful. I am defending Americans right to worship. I do not care if they worship underdog, as long as they do not intrude on me then all is fine.

I will wait on your proof of your slander against me or an apology.

JD1966 - "I am 1/8 american indian btw"...

Look, if you want to be pc, fine, but the term is "Native American". Also, being 1/8 does not even entitle you to claim tribal membership with any tribe in the U.S., so that argument is out the window, also. It amazes me how people can spout off any claim that they feel is right, the truth, whatever, and use no backing to their claims. You know so much about Israel and Palestine, show me. Show me where Israel is murderous, and the Palestinian government (Hamas, by the way), isn't. If you say that Palestine has every right to defend themselves against the Israelis, then the reverse must also be true, yes? Even you cannot argue with that logic.

@mmmmmbeer, so how many airplanes, tanks, anti-missile batteries does Hamas have? Are you kidding me? I don't write stuff lightly and neither should you.

@azd;

It amazes me how people can spout off any claim that they feel is right, the truth, whatever, and use no backing to their claims.

You can say that again brother. Astounding has read my post by now. They cut and run or digress without backing themselves up. Such is the way of the vine. Swing Swing Swing.

@astounding - if you like history so much then get this - Jews didn't own that land for over 1000 years. During those times Islam gave jews protection from Christian (mainly catholic) fanatics. For thousands of years, Europeans persecuted Jews, artists, scientists, anybody who went against church. Then with second world war - when nobody really wanted those jews, the British masters created Israel artificially. Now those are facts. How do you like those facts?

Secondly if you believe in necessary violence then why would Hamas violence be any more right or wrong from Israeli violence.

Your arguments are quite childish and biased.

them religious nuts in the middle east ...go to love hate'n...some body gon'a die...cause they love to kill more... than they love treating people with a different religion like humans...who should have the right to worship...the god of their choice...them folk's got to have population control...so they use war...them love hater's...need to chill...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZK9Zi26Izc

The media fauxtography continues...BBC posted footage of a "badly injured" man being carried away to safety by five other men. Thirty seconds later the man is shown – miraculously – walking around, healthy as a lark. Watch the clip until 2:42

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-Vms2eAeUU&t=2m11s

Yep, more Pallywood at work. For earlier examples of Pallywood productions with their inconsistencies pointed out, visit:

http://seconddraft.org/

theboys - You could sit all day long pulling bits and pieces from any of the holy texts that justify killing of people who don't share your beliefs, apostates, non-believers, etc.

At the end of the day, any belief, religion, or creed that holds that believing in fairy tale creatures like gods to be justification for the killing of any human is a disgusting pathetic belief system. Sadly, they all justify killing...be it Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc. A human is a real thing...a god is not. They may be really fighting over the land or money or power, etc, but they use their beliefs to justify it.

You might as well argue over whether Superman could kill a dragon.

Guns for the Arabs....Sticks for the Jews! Guns for the Arabs....Sticks for the Jews!

Pa-lease, I see Netanyahu being re-elected due to his protection of his people. Unlike Obama!

@astounding;

Thats what I thought.

Palestine conveniently leaves out that they had land until they attacked Israel in the first place, along with other countries. After the first war, Israel took some territory but not all. Palestine still had a country despite being an aggressor and losing. The second war was when Palistine and the other Arab countries in the region all ganged up on Israel at once, on a very holy day for them in Yom Kippur. To be the aggressor again, gang up with other countries for a strike, AND do it on one of if not the holiest day for a Jew is beyond not ok. It was after that second war in which Israel took the rest of the land.

Here's what people neglect to mention about Israel. Israel was a country created by the UN as a direct result of what happened to them with the genocide and concentration camps and such during World War II. The UN decided they needed a country after that, so they founded one. Agree with the methods to found it by the UN or not, Israel exists now. And Palestine existed before they instigated wars against Israel twice. Israel even tried to give up land back to them for peace, and yet still they launch rockets over the borders every few years. When one is surrounded by enemies who refuse to acknowledge your right to exist, and go so far as to attack you buy blowing up civilians with bombs and launching rockets over the border, you can understand why Israel is on edge. They have to be, because they are always in immediate threat by some Muslim extremists. (Note not all Muslims are extremists or terrorists, just the ones which do things like launch rockets over the border.)

This is what Palestine warmongers do. They deny Israel's right to exist, instigate attacks, and then blame Israel for having the gall to defend itself. It's disgusting that there are so many people who fail to realize or admit this. There are peaceful Palestinians, but Hamas is not peaceful or righteous. They are thugs and murderers hiding behind the Palestine cause. If they spent time actually trying to focus on peace instead of blowing up Israelis, they might have a legitimate argument. And if anyone launched rockets over the border of the United States, we would have that area cleared out within a week. But because it is Israel you have all the detractors saying how they should hold back and create peace talks and stuff. How many years of being attacked by countries, governments, and extremist organizations who refuse their right to exist must Israel put up with? It is at the point where they get attacked and now people are calling them wrong or worse for defending themselves? What bull!

"Israel assassinates nearly 40 Hamas militants in six-day bombardment"

Why they use that word assassinate...why not use what we say in the USA..its collateral damage!

They should give control of the Gaza Strip back to Egypt, they already have the border secured. What would Hamas do then?

They could be Egyptians, or fight Egypt to be able to call themselves Palestinians.

And another thing, Israel didn't instigate a single war. Every single one of them started with Israel getting attacked. I love how people try to justify that by conveniently not mentioning it.

Who is leading HAMAS--Palestine? Iran is doing all the underhanded planning. Talk is cheap as they will find out in the end.

The Media blames Israel for the killing of Palestinian children amongst the War, slanting the truth. This is truly sad, because HAMAS has put women and children in their Missile Launch Sites, in densely populated areas!, also using them as Human Shields, so they do not attack or get killed. This is a love for humankind, their own?--they are the Terrorists who want to rule Israel.

Netanyahu is NOT intimidated by these cowards who are also killing Israeli women, children, and men. He will move forth to eradicate HAMAS from ever getting their feet over the tiny border of the Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, of which Israel has given them 99 per cent of Gaza.

Israel has brilliant Soldiers, strong Military Force, Fighter Jets the Iron Dome, and a strong will to live. The Extreme Muslims want to die. So let Israel give it to them, meeting Allah in Heaven or Hell. "Allah Akbar". A familiar "chant".

Ahdinemajad's tongue is like a fox whetting it's appetite for the "Kill". He needs to be Eradicated, turning the entire ME/N. Africa upside down; now Turkey is another turncoat against Israel.

Israel stands alone---they will survive the Terrorists. Where's the help?

There is an astounding amount of historical inaccuracy in this thread coming from the pro-Israeli side.

I don't have the time tonight to correct you.

Both sides are doing 'bad things', but the Israeli responce is looking a lot like what the Klingons of original Star Trek would do.

NEW MSNBS HEADLINE:

Hamas "stares down" Israel.

HA HA..... What a bunch of garbage. Israel can overrun that group in about 12 hours. They just want to live in peace.

ED-2whatever

Take your meds, there are no Klingons.

Hamas is acting like a bunch of spoiled kids.....just like the Progressives.

@ Ed,

Hamas started it (again) by launching rockets over the border (again). And then they have the gall to demand Israel stop firing their rockets, while Hamas continues to fire the very same kind of rockets which they used to start this in the first place. When you are surrounded on all sides by areas with people who refuse your right to exist, and try to blow up your people, you defend yourself. Period. That's all Israel is doing. The US already would have swept through the Gaza strip had it been us in that situation. I don't see why Israel can't defend itself after being attacked yet again. And why is it no one mentions the Israeli casualties caused by Hamas rockets, which again were fired first?

I'd say nuke'em all and let any god of choice sort'em out, but, the is no god.

What about the land Israel has stolen from the Palestinians much less the thousands murdered and millions displaced

millions displaced? so much for "verify", can't "trust" his non-facts.

about 600,000 "palestinians" were displaced in the attack upon Israel when it was created, yet none of those that love to bring up that little fact (as well as those that love to lie and enlarge it) ever mention the fact that 500,000 Jews were forcibly displaced from arab countries without compensation or even passports, leaving them only one place to go, Israel. if the "palestinian's" "arab brothers" really gave a spit about the "palestinians" rather than wanting to exterminate the Jews, why didn't they allow the displaced "palestinians" to live in the homes of the displaced Jews?. instead in their show of "love and support for their arab brothers", they forced the displaced "palestinians" that they saw as too weak to stand up and slaughter the Jews into refugee camps. and then fought like mad to prevent any possibility of said "palestinians" being absorbed into their own countries.

every other group of refugees is allowed to emigrate to other countries, but not palestinians", why is that? answer because the "palestinians" are seen as nothing but pawns in the game to push the jews into the sea once and for all.

There is an astounding amount of historical inaccuracy in this thread coming from the pro-Israeli side

oh, and the anti-jew side is a monument of accuracy?

pot, meet kettle.

What blows my mind about all this is how something could be said in a book written 2000+ years ago and could be SO FLIPPING ACCURATE! Isn’t that crazy?

This is just absolutely amazing that the Bible predicted this so accurately and further shows God’s power, knowledge, and truth.

Ezekiel 38 mentions Persia (Iran), Ethiopia, and Libya as well in this battle with Israel.

The residents of the Gaza "concentration camp" are due our empathy for the plight they find themselves in and for their succumbing to the Hamas agenda...their situation is untenable. But let's be realistic: it is not the defiance of Hamas that protects Gaza but the concern, however much disparaged, that Israel, as a
client state, has for the public opinion in the United States that keeps Gaza from total annihilation.

The majority of people in the world get a cheap feel good bleating about their concern for the Gazans...and that is the key to this situation. The operative concept for Israel is "never again." Never means just that, by whatever means necessary, IT SHALL NOT HAPPEN...neither the Holocaust itself nor the reliance on others to protect the Jewish people. Even if the Christian West meant well (in many cases, obviously not), good intentions cannot be relied upon...as Czechoslovakia discovered in 1937. I'm not Jewish but the logic is crystal clear to anyone who cares to see it: fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. The fact is that Israel will not be fooled again.

If Israel does not feel secure, why would they be expected to concede anything in peace negotiations? I think peace initiatives a fool's errand as this tiny enclave in a sea of Islamic hostility will never know peace. And who is there that they can negotiate with that can guarantee lasting peace anyway? And why should we care...do we have to be the "Nanny State" abroad as well as at home?

So my conclusion is that the US should butt out and let the protagonists sort it out for themselves. Cut Israel loose as a client state: don't fund it on the one hand but don't leash it on the other. I don't see why
it is in our interest to be sending money or weapons to either side...we are simply enabling.

And let us never forget that the Palestinian Arabs are left twisting in the wind by their so-called Arab "brothers" who have, for generations now, refused them hospitality and sanctuary in the huge expanse of
territory and with the oil wealth at their disposal. If there was one ounce of sincerity in them, the squalor their "brothers" exist in Gaza could never have happened. Gaza is not and should not be viable and one way or another it will end. The only way it will be a good end is if their Arab brothers finally face up to their
responsibility.

@astounding "until they finally left Egypt, the Bible says they left "armed"... well, I'll spare you the history lesson. But they became the Hebrew, whose kings built Jerusalem and carved out a small Jewish nation among many enemies. Find out about the crusades. Then turn to world war 1, where the Ottoman Empire (Muslims) lost control of the territory and the British took over. Learn about World War 2, where millions of Jews didn't have a homeland, a place we gave them when the war ended, look at the consequences of that situation. That is their state, which all Western Civilization recognizes as it's own, the Jews and Hebrews and Israelis have been very tolerant so far."

You left out the part where how many nations boycotted the U.N. vote to make Israel a nation? The U.N. went ahead with it anyway to make it "legal" in your opinion. You took it by force, how many passages in the old and new testaments talk about war, what about the "armed" and the leaving Egypt part? WTF IS WRONG with the Koran having some passages about war? WTF is wrong about the people in Gaza trying to defend themselves.

What other religion has a "homeland" ALL TO ITSELF? How bad is it here is America for most Jewish people? Hard to even tell someone is Jewish unless they have a yarmulke on. Funny that in most Christian churches and homes in America we force people to remove hats head coverings. We love to do things a$$ backwards here, much like the Sabbath is on Saturday not Sunday. I normally do not find out until I start talking to someone, that they are Jewish, people are people.

Granted launching RANDOM rockets into Israel is beyond stupid imo since they are not even "aimed" at any targets and kill civilians too. Both sides play the victim when it suits their cause. The money could be better spent to improve the conditions there, but guess who has all the guns and weapons and controls the area? Would that be the nice Palestinians or the bad gang members? That would be the extremists that want to "kill Jews". By outlawing weapons in the area you are PROMOTING extremism, but you are not "smart" enough to want that. You could also help out some too and make the conditions better, but once again that is not what you want.

What you want is "The Dome should be torn down and their own Temple rebuilt, and this discussion of splitting Jerusalem and Israel does nothing good for anyone. There is no "Palestine" therefore there shouldn't be Palestinians. (Do your roman history here to find out why.) Give muslims in Gaza and the rest of Israel an ultimatum to evacuate or be destroyed.". ROFLMAO only a Zionist want to tear down the dome, nice try at acting like you are not a Zionist at all to make the sales pitch sound better. What would tearing down the dome do but piss off EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE OVER 1 BILLION MUSLIMS ON THE PLANET? Why do you want the right expect the right to exist as a nation, but not the people of Palestine? How many Muslims live peacefully inside Jerusalem? I actually know people that either live or have lived in all parts of Israel/Gaza not to mention the surrounding countries so do not try to B.S. me. People are people, there will always be good and bad ones. You want more land plain and simple. You want to rebuild your temple so that God will reappear, when if you actually read the passage it states that he left the temple with you and went with his people. He did not "leave" you, but you are to blind to see that. He loves to give you enough rope to hang yourself time and time again.

Funny you should mention Roman history since who did God let invade you? What was King Solomon's crimes against God? Lots of gold and women? My uncle tried to argue with me this weekend that it was only women, but it was both. Deuteronomy 17:17, Moses says "Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold." It is a crime against God to be GREEDY. Funny how many religious people do not follow that advice/rule.

I went to my uncle's church and took part in "Passover", or the Christian version of it anyway. Where we say that eating the bread and drinking the wine (grape juice) in remembrance of Jesus is the new covenant between God and man. Right after the ceremony the preacher gets up and starts to talk about how the "land" of Israel belongs to the Jewish people... WTF was the point of the whole "new" covenant again? He stopped at Moses and never mentioned King Solomon, Elijah (Baal versus Yahweh), Babylon, the crusades, etc.. How many times have the "chosen" people have failed "God"? According to Christians the Jewish people will fail again, they (not I) want you to fail so that WWIII can happen and they get "raptured" up to heaven and do not get to experience any suffering. They will suffer only a little as they die and be "swept away" just like Peter says they will as in Noah's time.

The preacher then went into more B.S. about who has won the most Nobel Peace Prizes when Obama won/was given one...need I say more. I wonder who determines that btw? I wonder who controls the media and money in this country? I wondered if I was in a Synagogue or not? I wondered how many inaccurate facts one person could put in one sermon?

No single piece of land has been the cause of more wars or human deaths in our current history. So much for it being "holy" land.../sigh. The "best" solution is to move everyone off that piece of land and make it uninhabitable. A stalemate since no matter which group controls the land one of the other groups will not be happy, EVER. Nuke it or store/spill radioactive waste there. That will fix the problem and it is fair, but no one ever wants the simple/easy solution. We still have plenty of homes for sale here in America and many people already have duel citizenship with this country voting in our elections too. Would be nice if you would pay taxes instead of getting 3-6 billion or $500-1000 worth of aid/U.S. taxpayers money for EACH person every year that is in Israel. How much did we give Israel to build the "Iron Dome" defense system? How many lives have been lost over a piece of MATERIAL? What does the bible teach about worshipping MATERIAL? /sigh talking to a bunch of f***ing addicts. Start up WWIII and lets get this chit over with if you are going to be this f***ing stupid about it, survival of the fittest it is.

Very interesting how you glossed over the key part of history here. By "a war ensured" you mean that 5 arab nations attacked israel on the day of its creation in clear violation of international agreement, sparking 6 decades of violence?

Eric - you portray that war as an act of unprovoked aggression by the surrounding Arab states. This is dishonest and untrue.

In fact there had been an ongoing civil war between the dispossessed Arab inhabitants and the Jewish settlers. Ilan Pappe, an Israeli historian details in his book, "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" how Zionist settlers in British Mandated Palestine engaged in systematic removal of the Arab inhabitants. You seem to take the position that neither the Palestinians, nor their Arab neighbors had the right to resist such actions.

I'm not one of those who claims Israel has no right to exist. What is done is done, and to uproot the millions of Israeli Jews who have made their home there for 2 or 3 generations would only add one more wrong to a region with a long history of ethnic and religious slaughter.

But, it is completely inaccurate, and non-productive to portray the Palestinian Arabs as insensate animals, motivated only by spite and jealousy. Back in 1948, they got f*cked, and unfortunately, unlike the American Indians, they are still around in sufficient numbers to make their anger felt.

@Expat - What you fail to understand is the gravity of the situation. Have you seen a map lately? Have you looked at the middle east? Do you know the enemies the tiny nation of Israel is surrounded by?

Astounding, are you truly an Israeli advocate, or just a pro-Palestinian plant posting stuff to make Israel look bad? I ask because you are certainly making Israel look VERY bad.

First you say Gazan's should be given a choice to leave or die, then you complain about the poor plight of the Jews because in 1948 they didn't have a home.

What kind of a freakin' double standard is that???? It's okay for Palestinians to be homeless, but not the poor Jews?? Because the Jews are more special than the Gazans, I guess. One of Hitler's demonized faults was in promoting the idea of a superior race. And now you think Jews are superior?
How can you be so freakin blind to your hypocrisy?

You complain that Muslims will kill all non-muslims, but apparently Judaism is no better as you Jews will kill all non-Jews, right? Correct me if I'm wrong here. Or will any Jew out there correct this impression Mr. Astounding is presenting????

Seems to me if as you clearly state life is so worthless, and given that the life of a Jew are no more or less valuable than the life of a Gazan or Muslim, the most expedient path to peace is, instead of exterminating and ethnic cleansing all the Gazans from Gaza as you suggest, just exterminate all Israeli Jews instead. After all, there are only 7 million Israelis and about a billion Muslims, and this way there will be a lot less reason for Muslims to hate the USA.

You complain about the rocket attacks, but Gazans should just kick back and enjoy the blockade that they've suffered though for years, and the assassinations of their leaders at the hands of the Israeli military. You want to believe Gazans believe their aggression is part of some political statement on their part about Israel being a nation, but the reality is they hate that Israel has been treating them like dogs. You give them no reason to live, and then complain they don't suffer quietly.

Complaints about the way they treat each other is just a red herring, as you already made it clear their lives, including their innocent, have no value to you.

It's time that the Israelis give up on the "eye for an eye" approach. They need to try the "kill them all and let God sort them out" solution now.

FedupwithFed

The media fauxtography continues...BBC posted footage of a "badly injured" man being carried away to safety by five other men. Thirty seconds later the man is shown – miraculously – walking around, healthy as a lark.

The same thing is true, only on a much larger scale, concerning Israels claim that 570 missiles have struck Israel. How is it only 11 or 13 or whatever number it is that are killed in Israel from 570 missile attacks - that just don't add up.

The USA helps establish an Israeli homeland - then turns around and refuses to do the same for Palestinians.

So where does the Fatah stand on this? I also thought Israel was always fighting another Islamist group other than Hamas and Fatah...another old age brain fart.

Three religions in the area and they all sprung from Abrahamic worship - what a bunch of dumb asses.

This conflict is all about land use and most notably water rights - if you are using "it's in their Holy book", you need to stop resorting to the Easy Button...you have no shame.

Go back to school and learn history. Islam always has been and always will be at war with anyone NON MUSLIM! Stop believing your liberal media, they are not the religion of Peace! Muhammed captured his first city and anyone who didn't convert was beheaded.... Christ never did this.

No, but the ancient Israelis did, if the Old Testament Bible is to be believed, so why do you complain about this ancient event?

Except they didn't even give people the chance to convert. They exterminated man, woman, child, even animals in some cases. No exceptions made.

BTW, there are about a billion muslims. If 1 billion people were at war with the other 4-5+ billion non-muslims, then this world would look very different than it does right now. Wouldn't even recognize it. You should stop watching Fox News.

Fact is it would be very difficult to tell the difference between a Jew who follows the old testament literally and a hard-line, fundamentalist Muslim. Both would be ready and willing to kill and exploit those who didn't subscribe to their faith. That's why so many Israelis have no problems of conscience in treating Gazans like cattle. Am I wrong?

But, like it or not (you won't) most Muslims are ordinary people who are out to enjoy life and raise a family, and don't consider "convert or die" to be a proper way to spread their faith, and aren't particularly concerned with world politics. Those suffering through an crippling blockade for years excepted, of course.

The same thing is true, only on a much larger scale, concerning Israels claim that 570 missiles have struck Israel. How is it only 11 or 13 or whatever number it is that are killed in Israel from 570 missile attacks - that just don't add up.

J P Patches, you need to start reading newspapers and/or listening to detailed news reports. Since the last incident of this type, Israel had deployed a state of the art missile defense system, popularly known as "The Iron Dome", which reportedly has about a 90% success rate in shooting down missiles launched from the Gaza Strip.

I'm not a big fan of either Israel's foreign or domestic policies. But I really cannot blame them for retaliation for a sustained missile attack from the Gaza.

The USA helps establish an Israeli homeland - then turns around and refuses to do the same for Palestinians.

Unfortunately, it was last week that Walmart had homelands on sale in their outdoor goods section. Obama and Co. must not have seen the ad.

Seriously, new "homelands" are not in ready supply in this world.

dman = fail

Did you read the article - it said 570 of 877 have struck Israel - here's your sign (below).

Since Wednesday, 877 rockets have been fired from Gaza toward Israel, the Israeli military said Monday. Of those, 570 rockets have struck Israel while the country’s air defense system has intercepted 307, according to the military. Forty-five rockets were fired at southern Israel on Monday, causing no casualties, police said.

Either you are just lazy or intentionally did a spin job.

There has been talk about creating a Palestinian homeland since 1947 - you really are clueless on the subject.

Oh, this is rich. My comment below, #1.46, was "collapsed by the community":

Gaza has been under a Israeli blockade for years. That alone is an act of war. Everyone talks about Israel's right to exist, but don't the Gazan's also have that right?

Choices are: "Inflammatory", "No Value", and "Advertising", pray tell, which one was it? Guess the simple question must have hit a few nerves. Perhaps "The Right to Exist" is an Israeli trademark (TM) ?

The Dome should be torn down and their own Temple rebuilt

Ridiculous. The Jewish Temple does not belong where the Dome of the Rock now is. It was built over a threshing floor on the range not over the highest point on the ridge. The Dome of Rock is built over the highest point of the ridge where the rock sticks up slightly through the stone pavement around it. Threshing floors were built on flat pieces of land, not on top of rocks on the highest point of a mountain ridge. The actual Temple was built further to the south from the Dome of the Rock.

Gaza has been under a Israeli blockade for years. That alone is an act of war. Everyone talks about Israel's right to exist, but don't the Gazan's also have that right?

The blockade serves the purpose of limiting the number of weapons of mass destruction brought into Gaza. So far, they have only been able to smuggle them in from underground tunnels. Gaza has the right to exist (and Israel agreed when they gave Gaza to the "Palestinians" and pulled their own Jewish settlers out of Gaza by force) but they don't have the right to fire rockets over into undisputed Israeli territory and get away with it. The territory they are targeting using rockets is within the pre-1967 borders recognized by the UN.

If Gaza had stopped firing Qassams at Israel and stopped sending in their people to blow themselves up in restaurants, stores, and on buses, and stopped teaching their children in the schools and on their television programs to hate Israel and want to kill the Jews, the fences never would have gone up and the checkpoints never would have existed. If they ever want the blockade to end, they need to stop firing on Israel and stop trying to provoke Israel to war. It really is that simple.

If Hamas does not care about innocent civilians, human rights violations, sovereignty, right of Jews to live in their Israel, why should Israel bother much?

Just carpet bomb the whole of Hamas areas and be done with constant provocateurs and Islamic militants.

Netanyahus is the right leader to do this!

The IDF would kill far too many innocents if they did that. They are trying to avoid that as much as is possible. They would fall for the PA trap and make themselves look like they are genocidal maniacs like the PA wants the UN and general public to believe. That is why they won't carpet bomb the entire area. The Hamas hides their members among the general population so as to add to the death toll as many civilians as possible. It makes their Pallywood propaganda look more realistic to the rest of the world and makes the world hate Israel that much more. Plus, many of them want martyrdom. Why give them what they want?

FedupwithFed: Amen. The accuracy of the bible and its description of future events does indeed confirm the existence of god. Believers have known for years the power of god and the events that would take place at the end of time is described in detail in Revelations. And the events described in Revelations are taking place. Just several more things that will take place and they will NOT be fun but the believers are not afraid and welcome the second coming.

The blockade serves the purpose of limiting the number of weapons of mass destruction brought into Gaza.

How many rockets are made of concrete? Because that is just one of the ordinary, necessary items that are restricted from entering Gaza. Why are exports from Gaza greatly restricted? Israel has a deliberate policy to keep Gaza as impoverished as possible. All this talk suggesting Gazans simply have some political motive about Israel's existence is nonsense. You give people no reason to live, then they take it personally. You assassinate their democratically elected leaders, they get Pissed Off. You kill their friends, brothers, sisters, kids and parents, yeah they'll take up arms against you and even consider being a suicide bomber. Any Israeli would do the same thing. Hamas was duly elected into power and instead of respecting that as a sign about how Gazans feel about Israel, they've punished them even more.

Israel is hated because of it's policies toward its neighbors. Israel lives with its head in the sand, expecting Gazans to live like dogs and do so obediently as loving neighbors. They are right to be angry.

Both sides are to blame in this ongoing battle, but Hamas is deplorable. They provoke the Israelis by lobbing missiles at them then hide behind children hoping that they are caught in the middle of this war so they can dangle their lifeless bodies in front of the media. They want to ignite a regional war that will destabilize the region and create a holy war of biblical proportion. All for a pimple of land on the face of this earth.

I say build a wall around them and let them destroy each other.

How many rockets are made of concrete? Because that is just one of the ordinary, necessary items that are restricted from entering Gaza.

Concrete is used to build storage bunkers for the rockets and for the terrorists to hide in, making it necessary to use bunker busters. The IDF don't want to use Bunker Busters because a whole lot more collateral damage will occur.

Why are exports from Gaza greatly restricted? Israel has a deliberate policy to keep Gaza as impoverished as possible. All this talk suggesting Gazans simply have some political motive about Israel's existence is nonsense.

For similar reasons as the UN economic sanctions on Iran. So, it is OK for the UN to do it to Iran to prevent their destabilizing the region but it is not OK for Israel to do something similar to Gaza, which is a destabilizing influence on the region? Hypocrisy. If they are impoverished they cannot afford more powerful weapons to start wars with Israel.

And, it isn't nonsense. Have you ever actually sat down and read the Hamas Charter? It calls for the elimination of Israel by whatever means necessary.

You give people no reason to live, then they take it personally. You assassinate their democratically elected leaders, they get Pissed Off. You kill their friends, brothers, sisters, kids and parents, yeah they'll take up arms against you and even consider being a suicide bomber.

If they had never fired rockets into undisputed territories of Israel within the pre-1967 borders, if they hadn't created Pallywood footage of fake atrocities to start wars and protests in the Arab world, and if they hadn't blown themselves up in public places to kill innocents, they would not be in this predicament, now would they?

Hamas was duly elected into power and instead of respecting that as a sign about how Gazans feel about Israel, they've punished them even more.

Yes, they were elected into power, and they went around and killed Fatah members and collaborators on a killing spree. And, then they started firing rockets into territories undisputed by the UN. They keep elevating the troublemaking and Israel will make them pay for it each and every time.

Israel is hated because of it's policies toward its neighbors. Israel lives with its head in the sand, expecting Gazans to live like dogs and do so obediently as loving neighbors. They are right to be angry.

Israel is hated because of what the Pallywood crews have done. They have made things thousands of times worse than they really were. The Israeli have really been trying. They enact laws for equality and give them a share in government. There are, after all, Palestinians in the Knesset. The Palestinians in Gaza don't want land partition. They want the whole of Palestine and all Israel wiped out of existence and have wanted this since before the Hamas was founded.

On the other hand, Israel gave them Gaza and pulled over 1,700 Jewish families out of Gaza by incentives and direct military force for those who would not leave. That wasn't enough. They want an undivided Jerusalem all to themselves. Jerusalem is Israel's capitol city. You think they are going to give up the whole of it to the so-called Palestinians? Not a chance. So here we are, having this discussion.

But, it is Pallywood footage, with all its fake footage and fake carnage, and fake martyrdom, that has made Arab blood boil against Israel. That is why the Hamas are at it again, making crap up and filming lies. They are hoping to get Arab nations to rise up against Israel and help them exterminate the Jews and any Arabs who want Israeli citizenship as collaborators.

Concrete is used to build storage bunkers for the rockets and for the terrorists to hide in, making it necessary to use bunker busters. The IDF don't want to use Bunker Busters because a whole lot more collateral damage will occur.

Good grief. See, this is the crap that Israeli's use to justify keeping Gazans in extreme poverty. You're proving my point. Concrete is used to build homes. It's NOT a weapon, and you just went on record saying that Palestinians have no right to self defense. So what if they want to build a bunker. Any people that want to build defensive structures are entitled to do so.

For similar reasons as the UN economic sanctions on Iran. So, it is OK for the UN to do it to Iran to prevent their destabilizing the region but it is not OK for Israel to do something similar to Gaza, which is a destabilizing influence on the region? Hypocrisy. If they are impoverished they cannot afford more powerful weapons to start wars with Israel.

When did I ever say sanctions on Iran were okay? I can't believe you people are so blind at to think that everyone should agree with you on everything.

Iran is a signatory of the NPT, which Israel refuses to sign. Israel refuses to open it's doors for inspection or disclose how many nukes it has. Iran has a far more peaceful track record in foreign policy than either Israel OR the USA. They are a developed country of 70 million people, 10 times the size of Israel and just under 1/4 the size of the USA. They are absolutely entitled to modern conveniences.

As I mentioned, diplomacy is not a word that exists in the Jewish vocabulary. The single most destabilizing event in modern ME history was the formation of Israel. You're friend, Mr. Astounding, is on record above for wanting to exterminate the Palestinians. I guess that's a suitable "final solution" that he finds as reasonable as Nazi's did for the Jews in WWII. You want to complain about hypocrisy, that's who you should be talking about.

You are not much better, as you've now so casually explained why keeping Gazans in permanent poverty is a reasonable measure. If everyone in Israel is like you, Mr Astounding, and other "kill em all" pro Israel types on this thread, I have no more sympathy for you than I do Nazis. It is so tempting for me to conclude that everyone who holds your sentiments should be exterminated, even if it means all 7 million Israeli Jews. But then I'd be like you, so no thanks.

You make me sick.

Good grief. See, this is the crap that Israeli's use to justify keeping Gazans in extreme poverty. You're proving my point. Concrete is used to build homes. It's NOT a weapon, and you just went on record saying that Palestinians have no right to self defense. So what if they want to build a bunker. Any people that want to build defensive structures are entitled to do so.

But, they aren't using the concrete for building homes. That is the point. I agree that defensive structures would be acceptable--in ordinary circumstances. But, these are not ordinary circumstances. They will build these defensive structures in neighborhoods with high civilian populations. Should bunker busters be required to get at weapons stores, many, many more civilians will die. That is unacceptable. Looks like you think high casualties are acceptable, though.

And, I never said that Palestinians have no right to self-defense. That is your false interpretation foisted upon it. Besides, they are not defending themselves. They have been the aggressors for years now. This latest round of rockets fired into Undisputed Israeli territory are all the evidence of that needed. Fire rockets. IDF kill those giving the orders with surgical strikes. The Hamas fire more rockets into undisputed territory. Repeat.

When did I ever say sanctions on Iran were okay? I can't believe you people are so blind at to think that everyone should agree with you on everything.

Why would I think that every one should agree with me? By the way, Iran is now supplying weapons. The latest Fajr rockets are Iranian tech. You disagree. I can see that. You think it is OK for Iran to violate UN sanctions but not Israel? Curious and hypocritical at the same time.

Iran is a signatory of the NPT, which Israel refuses to sign.

And, yet, Iran is using centrifuges of the kind that can be used to manufacture nuclear weapons. They are not technologically there yet, but, they have developed ICBM technology that eventually can reach both Israeli and American shores. Why develop ICBM technology if you don't plan to arm those ICBMs with nuclear warheads?

Israel refuses to open it's doors for inspection or disclose how many nukes it has. Iran has a far more peaceful track record in foreign policy than either Israel OR the USA. They are a developed country of 70 million people, 10 times the size of Israel and just under 1/4 the size of the USA. They are absolutely entitled to modern conveniences.

BS. Inspections have taken place in Israel. An official invitation for the IAEA to inspect the Soreq Nuclear Research Facility was extended and Soreq is now under IAEA inspection as of September 2012. Dimona was shut down in January 2012, but I am not sure whether it was reopened as of late. In any case, please try to keep up.

As I mentioned, diplomacy is not a word that exists in the Jewish vocabulary. The single most destabilizing event in modern ME history was the formation of Israel. You're friend, Mr. Astounding, is on record above for wanting to exterminate the Palestinians. I guess that's a suitable "final solution" that he finds as reasonable as Nazi's did for the Jews in WWII. You want to complain about hypocrisy, that's who you should be talking about.

More BS. If there was no such thing as diplomacy in Israeli vocabulary how to explain all the peace talks and all the officially signed documents ending wars with Israel's Arab neighbors? Prone to exaggeration much?

And, anybody who approves of the extermination of Palestinians is an idiot. I do not approve of that and the Israeli government does not approve of that.

You are not much better, as you've now so casually explained why keeping Gazans in permanent poverty is a reasonable measure. If everyone in Israel is like you, Mr Astounding, and other "kill em all" pro Israel types on this thread, I have no more sympathy for you than I do Nazis. It is so tempting for me to conclude that everyone who holds your sentiments should be exterminated, even if it means all 7 million Israeli Jews. But then I'd be like you, so no thanks.

Not all Israeli hold to views of extermination of Palestinians. That is PA propaganda. The vast majority do not hold such views. I do not hold such views. But, you also should understand that I do not currently live in Israel and I am not Jewish. But, do know what is going on. I have many friends all around the world who keep me informed when I cannot gather my own intelligence.

And, any sanctions are reasonable measures when it comes to the safety of nations and regions, and the stability thereof. You, for one thing and by the way, have not established extreme poverty among the people of Gaza. Have you looked at the latest news footage of Palestinians in Gaza?

So many Palestinians look very well fed, are clothed in decent clothing and not rags, and so many of them I saw in the footage have cell phones, including the new iPhone 5! They don't look like they are in extreme poverty. The Hamas is just using propaganda to be able to import weapons that can reach Israeli cities more easily. This cannot be permitted no matter how much you really want it to happen.

Interestingly enough, Apple iPhones are selling in Gaza and were available there several weeks before they will be available in Israeli stores! http://www.cnbc.com/id/49420631/New_iPhones_Snapped_Up_in_Gaza_Despite_Poverty

You make me sick.

You make me far sicker. You also do not understand the fact that Pallywood has had such an effect on you as it has. That much is obvious. You should watch some of the Pallywood footage. They are at it again, by the way. The raw footage shows dead guys getting up and walking around smiling, with no damage, after the sight-bites have been filmed. But, sick people like you think the footage is all real and grow to hate Israel all the more.

But, they aren't using the concrete for building homes. That is the point. I agree that defensive structures would be acceptable--in ordinary circumstances. But, these are not ordinary circumstances. They will build these defensive structures in neighborhoods with high civilian populations. Should bunker busters be required to get at weapons stores, many, many more civilians will die. That is unacceptable. Looks like you think high casualties are acceptable, though.

Have you considered sitting down with someone living under this blockade and explaining to them the loving reason why they are not permitted to have concrete? That it's for their own good? I'm sure once you do, they will freely choose not to allow concrete into the Gaza Strip.

Of course I'm being sarcastic.

When Jews (and other groups) were living under oppression in Nazi Germany, you can be fully assured that the vast majority of German military that processed Jews, directing them into ghettos were doing so for the same charitable motive. The Jews simply could not think for themselves, did not know what was best for them. Thankfully, they had the German government there to hold their hand and guide them. Seriously, there is no doubt whatsoever that most all the soldiers of that era that guarded them, herded them, registered them and processed them were reasonably good people, with loving families. They just did their job, and believed the same thing about Jews as you apparently believe about Palestinians. They are not bad people, but just stupid, too stupid to know what is good for them. And the Israelis have so thoughtfully provided a blockade to only see that they get things that Israel has decided is best for them.

Touching.

They have been the aggressors for years now.

How many assassinations has Israel's Mossad carried out? Not just in Gaza but throughout the middle east? Civilians in Iran? This again ignores the blockade, though you've already explained how that's actually a charity.

The latest Fajr rockets are Iranian tech. You disagree. I can see that. You think it is OK for Iran to violate UN sanctions but not Israel? Curious and hypocritical at the same time.

And who made the white phosphorus that Israel used during Cast Lead (such a cute code name). In violation of laws of war which are intended to prevent crimes against humanity?

That last reference.... wonderful comparison. Is this an admission on your part that Israel is violating UN sanctions?

And, anybody who approves of the extermination of Palestinians is an idiot. I do not approve of that and the Israeli government does not approve of that.

Mr. Astounding does. But glad to hear you stop short of that.

The raw footage shows dead guys getting up and walking around smiling, with no damage, after the sight-bites have been filmed. But, sick people like you think the footage is all real and grow to hate Israel all the more.

Sounds like you are now claiming that in spite of a blockade, there is neither poverty nor civilian combat deaths in Gaza from the latest round of bombings.

But what's not disputed, and where you are in error, is your belief that those in Gaza are too stupid to be trusted with items as mundane as concrete. If you don't believe in extermination, fine, but you have already taken the first step down that unfortunately familiar Nazi road by saying the people in Gaza need to have their decisions made for them and their lives controlled.

j p patches=FAIL

the iron dome defense system can tell which ROCKETS (they are mostly unguided rockets, not guided missles, and are very inaccurate) fired from gaza will hit near populated areas and which won't, if the rocket is not going to land near a populated area, the "iron dome" won't bother trying to intercept the incoming rocket.

if you think every rocket from gaza is some kind of precision weapon, then you have been watching too much tv.

I really think Israel needs to go in wipe out the scum and ask if they want more...Time to finish the scum off...

if that "mini terrorist act" hurt you or your family, I'm sure your mini mind would think differently.

How many times Israel have entered into peace pacts, truces and so on with Hamas?

Have they been ever honored by Hamas?

Time has come for Israel to wipe out all the rocket bomb sites from Gaza. If civilians are affected, so be it. Why are the civilians permitting these rocket attack sites in their midst in Gaza?

At the same time, Israel and Jewish lobby needs to closely examine the double games and backstabbing by Qatar, Turkey, Egypt and Sunni dominated Arab League.

Compare their actions and support to Islamic haters and militants, Hamas with their dramas, dances, pleads, and placing biased media reports favoring Sunni Syrian rebels backed by al Qaida, MB and other label Sunni killers against Assad.

What roles do we, jihadi materials, have in battles between Shiites vs Sunnis in Syria, Iran and other places?

Are we supposed to do the dirty jobs for Sunni Saudis, Qataris, UAE, Kuwait, Oman and others, oil companies and their lobbyists in Iraq, Syria, Iran and other places they show on the map?

Where is the need for sanctions on Iranian oil and break our heads with economic problems due to high oil prices?

"Why are the civilians permitting these rocket attack sites in their midst in Gaza?" What should the woman who just had her house blown up do? Remove her head scarf, dampen an end and "snap" the militants with it? Why do you think the people allow it? Could it possibly be because they're afraid?

"Why are the civilians permitting these rocket attack sites in their midst in Gaza?"

because their Islamic training tells them to support the jihad no matter what happens to them...

What Moses really said was "Let my people go . . . and we will spend the rest of our time on earth working in unison to make economic slaves out of everyone that ever exists on the same planet as us, for we are indeed 'The Chosen Ones"; by the beginning of the 21th century we will own America."

Remember, to be labeled a terrorist act the intent must be to inflict psychological harm in non-combatants. The only terrorist act being committed is the indiscriminate, unannounced, non-targeted launch of rockets from Gaza into Israel. The intent of these rockets are to disrupt normal life and instill fear in the civilian population. You may not agree with Israel's response, use of firepower, but you cannot label that terrorism. Airplanes drop leaflets in advance to warn Gazans, smart weapons target individual cars, individual apartments, that are known to house militants. Israel's goal is not to spread panic and fear to civilians, bur rather to destroy stockpiles of enemy ordnance.

pulsar182

"Why are the civilians permitting these rocket attack sites in their midst in Gaza?"

 

because their Islamic training tells them to support the jihad no matter what happens to them...

How about because they are not the ones with AK-47s, thousands of fighters and RPGs; perhaps they don't want to see their families die at the hands of Hamas?

Yes Ol_Doc, Damned if they do, Damned if they don't.

I've spent time in combat zones and I don't trust any civilians. Not all are spies but there is always at least one in the crowd. I take this as a lesson learned from the French as they eyeballed the Nazies. All this Civilian Death Crap. They are Military wearing Civilian Clothing. I don't trust kids either, they can have a granade and look so helpless just to blow you up. Lessons from Vietnam. I won't go out of my way to kill a Civilian but I trust No One, only my guys.

6dogs, while i agree with you 110% the avg person here who has never been in that situation will not understand.I've been there,done that and will do it again.One thing i have learned,ironically,you can trust your enemy too,because you know what what they are capable of and what they will do if given the chance.

Astounding well written posts and accurate. Hopefully the more people who begin to face the reality not the PC version of Islam the sooner the world faces the tough choices the west must make. Thanks for taking the time to try to educate Americans what is really behind Islam.

Astounding well written posts and accurate

I concur.

needless justified killing's at it's finest...would make ed grimley proud...i must say...

Egypt is dancing on the yellow line because it does not want to lose all of that U.S. financial support. I imagine they are using those billions to arm themselves.

When Hamas lobs thousand s of rockets at Israel from PLAY GROUNDS and Schools Hamas hides behind women and children not caring if they are killed and they call themselves MEN???? They are terrorist scum and need eradicated!!! Israel has lived with these sissies trying to kill them for years there are less Israeli's killed because they are prepared every one has a bomb shelter and they are all over the city also...Hamas just throws the civilians to the dirt as they hide...makes one proud eh,,,,

Poor President Obama, he cant win can he! Why does the world put these heavy choices on him?

Jonjojon please read post #4.0, it puts the precision targeting of Israel's smart weapons into clear prospective. Israel has targeted nearly 1,000 militant sites with about 50-60 non-combatant deaths. The surgical precision of these airstrikes are staggering.

Your wasting your breath on any News Media as they are all foriegned owned. There is not ONE News Conglomerate that is in The USA.

doug - you are SOOOOO right. i live in tel aviv and read the american news and laugh. nothing is written properly. one day i hope a journalist will come along that will report from a neutral stance and not pro-paletinian. so far the american news is just a bunch of terrorist-loving anti-semites.

6Dogs:

Can you provide me with a link about the Media? If true this very disturbing because the way they covered for O'Bama in 2008 thur present. I'd like to know who got O'Bama elected thru false & misleading reporting!

You might want to visit http://seconddraft.org/ to see examples of Western Media and Pallywood making crap up and selling it as news. Start there, and do some research. Much of the Media does lie--a lot. Remember the Bush AWOL memos? The Media swore by them. Then, people began to realize something was odd about the documents. Finally, people found out that they were forgeries.

And, then, there was the claims about Bush planning to implement a Draft during his coming second term. Democrats in high places hinted around at that and the Media fed Americans with that one to try to prevent his election. Those who were responsible for the lies were the so-called Aspen Cabal. They were a group of Media moguls who actively worked together to try to prevent the reelection of President Bush, using the Media to try to smear him on television as much as possible. They failed but they did manage to get a lot of people to hate the man and to hate the Republican Party.

There are many examples of this kind of crap being passed around by the Media. They wanted Obama to win. What do they care? These moguls won't suffer as badly when Obama implements his plans for America. They are very wealthy. But the middle class and the lower classes are the ones who will suffer when the Media succeeds at getting people to believe the BS they have spread, and when these same voters make it so Obama has enough control to make his plans for higher utility rates, higher costs for gasoline, and additional taxes on energy a reality, America will suffer the consequences.

The prices of just about everything else will follow suit and the average American will be able to afford less. This will mean less money going into the purchase of products and services, resulting in more unemployment, more business closures, and less tax revenue to counteract budget deficits. This will result in greater taxation for everyone besides the rich to try to compensate, which will feed more unemployment and more business losses.

Follow the legislation through to its logical conclusion and you, too, will see this coming. If Obama keeps his promises, America indeed will suffer harder economic times ahead. It is coming even if you cannot now see it--if Obama makes good on those promises.

Iran are the Hamas terrorist organization's handlers. If anyone over there doesn't know that, then, there is surely life on other planets because someone just arrived.

@perry, I think that you'll have to go all the way back to the 1940s for that.

Obama just slipped Hamas a MILLION dollars that buys lots of rockets ...Obama will stand by his MUSLIM brothers no matter what way the political winds blow...think for a NY min he would stand by the American People??? Yeah right...

@6dogs

I began my education in insurgency warfare in 1968 in Vietnam. After 23 more years in the U.S. Army, I believe I learned a lot. I can sum it all up by saying the only ones you can trust are your fellow soldiers around you. I've learned a lot over the years since and being wiser than most therefore, I can say that so long as religion dictates policy and idiots who believe in it dictate political policy, then, insurgency warfare will be omnipresent in the middle-east for decades and even centuries to come and the United States is fooling itself if it thinks it can ever make a difference there. That is our handicap in government - not enough veterans who know whats what. Religion and stupidity will prevail for decades to come. So will wars. When ww3 starts in the middle-east, i'm going to be stocked up on beer nuts and Budweisur because at my age that's the best I can do other than pissing towards Mecca six times a day on my ranch.

for the last 2000 years...yupp...

So rockin its okay that we start shooying you with rockets every day??

These Civilians (human shields) are there because they want to be there. They want their 72 virgins also...

These Civilians (human shields) are there because they want to be there.

Not all of them. There have been examples of people grabbing unwilling children off the street to protect themselves against IDF fire.

Including the people of Palestine

Read the previous posts. Israel is trying her best to avoid civilian casualties. If you really care so much about the Palestinian people why don't you advise them to stop terrorizing Israel?

David LG

You know what David.....I can not for life of me understand how so many members on this vine can say what Israel is doing right now or has been doing off camera is justified in any way.

Just because we don't get too watch it everyday on CNN means it is happening on a daily basis.

they treat these people like scum at the boarders everyday its terrible.

Why do people seem so quick to kill the underdogs in this hideous war?

The Israelis have been our allies for a long time and hopefully for much longer. Their values even parallel ours. When we get attacked we retaliate.They did the same....

They create the terrorist mentality by pushing these people into a over populated area with no rights what so ever.

Then Israel wonders why they are hated by certain members.

Go figure?

This isn't football or baseball. This is war. Morality is not being the underdog. Fact: Israel should not and won't tolerate having to run to shelters and living in fear. Again if you cared so much about the Palestinians why don't you advise them to stop launching rockets or do they have a God given right to launch them and Israel should do nothing about it?

They started it Israel will END it...May the Muslin terrorist be eradicated!!!!!!!!

Finally a good answer-From someone else who has watched first hand at least 35+ years of the history of whats going on over there.

@Freemanogod, You are wet behind the ears. When we first started to have terrorist problems in our own country with Hijackings and such they were Palistinians under Yaser Arrafet. After committing their crime they fled to Libya and were protected by good Ol' Moahmar (Wacky) Khadaffi. They are the Underdogs? No! We've been the Underdogs for them for years. Like I tell you Young Pups, learn who is your Enemy and quit beinging such a wimp about them. They will lob off your head or shot you without a second thought.

Israel has more power then these others and should not abuse that power like they have many times before.

Please don't feed the Trolls!

It's obvious this kind of ignorance can only be on purpose.

Israel is only defending their country.....Ok with me if they blow gaza of the map..........Hamas is a terrorist faction...The Palestinians need to get rid of Hamas.......Maybe they would get some peace...

So Hamas lobbing bombs into Israel civilian areas is not provocation ?

You have a strange way of looking at things. The so called Palistinians were offered a peace deal years ago and refused it. They continue to refuse peace.

bravo!!!!

unkelremus

Maybe you should be the new leader of Iran with that comment.

Iran has not even started to attack Israel, but Israel sure as hell wants too blow them off the face of the map.

So if I was from Iran or any country near Israel and saw what they have been doing for years, I would want to build some kind of protection from these people as well.

Israel is trying to control to many other near by nations while crying the we are persecuted people of this region.

Sorry to burst Israels tiny little bubble but they are not the rulers of every bloody Middle Eastern nation.

They say they can have nukes but no others can?

That sounds fair........NOT!

Freeman you are an idiot Iran has specifically stated they want Israel totally gone If that is the case and they told me that I would never give them the chance just nuke em and be done with it.

@freeman you are so blind to the truth it amazes me. Hamas (recognized terrorist organization) fired hundreds upon hundreds of rockets into isreal before they retalliated.

These people that you stick up for were parading in the streets after 9/11.

Iran has stated they want to wipe Iran and the US off the face of the earth.

Isreal deserves nukes since every country that borders them wants to destroy isreal...

If you think countries like iran deserve nukes you are insane

-------The Iran situation explained for Dense People---------------

If Jimmy (Iran) threatened to kill you and your family

and Jimmy (Iran) gave weapons to other people (terrorists) to kill you

It is known that Jimmy (Iran) is actually building the weapon to kill you

Jimmy (Iran) refuses to acknowledge you have a right to live

Jimmy (Iran) ignores the police, FBI, and CIA (the U.N.) that tell Jimmy to stop building the weapon

Jimmy (Iran) is mentally unstable and swears his G-d is telling him to kill you

Now, what would you do?

Israel is trying to control to many other near by nations

Can you name the other countries and explain just how Israel is trying is trying to control them?

It is a sad day.

I'm under the impression the Palestinians were shooting off rockets into Israel way before the car bombing. Our media started to cover the story just after Israel finally decided to do something about it and launch missiles back. Soon after Obama was re-elected If I remember correctly.

28YO American, A leading Official?He was One of the Head Leaders of Hamas!!And a KILLER a TERRORIST!! And they have dropped more bombs on/in Israel in the last few years than Germany dropped on London,Thank GOD that they have been able to intercept most of them or there would be thousands + murdered there.And there is no excuse period for this behavior by Hamas and the Palestinian's must support them or they wouldn't allow the Hamas Flag to drape the coffins of their loved ones murdered by their own and I believe it's part of a bigger plan,to draw in Many and Iran will get to use their new Nuke's.

Very true, but Muslim extremists do not care about their women and children being killed as they are of little value to their leaders. In the eyes of the likes of Khaled Meshaal, if they die, they die as martyrs, their glory will be great in the eyes of Allah.

you need to stop supporting the people that paraded in the streets after 9/11... These people have fired thousands of rockets into isreal, and isreal has every right to defend themselves. Muslims and Jews have been fighting for thousands of years and it will never end. Muslims breed their children to hate the US and everything we stand for.

It is completely unimportatnt what the kevins, and the freemannogods, and the jd1966s of the world have to say or think. The only importatnt thing to defeat their most ardent deswires, and leave them staring at the world from their little $hitholes, wherever they may be.

How do you deal with Hamas which was given birth by the Muslim Brotherhood, which was given life by Nazi ideology. Hamas is no different than the Nazis in their drive to exterminate Israel. Israel has every right to protect itself - and if the Palestinians on the whole would throw off Hamas ideology there may be a better chance at building a relationship. 150 missiles fired at the people of Israel in one week is absurd. Of course Israel will retaliate - and killing one of the Nazis of Hamas was one way. Israel must defend itself - and this country must be there for Israel and support Israel's right to exist against Palestinian threats and Iranian tantrums.

This issue has now taken our eyes off Syria . . .another nation that profited by hiding Nazis.

Gee you are so immature or just a brain dead LIBERAL I do not know which....Israel has been bombed by these MUSLIM terrorist scum for years and years....Time to end it eradicate them...

Actually he knows the truth of whats been going on for years and years.

Freemannogod: I am curious about something and since you seem to know what is really happening in Gaza maybe you can answer my questions. Ok? I have seen people commenting on the blockade that Israel has imposed against the Palestinian people. They can't get food, humanitarian or medical supplies. They do however seem to be able to get thousands of rockets and mortars from Iran. Could not the Palestinians substitute some medical supplies for one of the rocket care packages from Iran? Also isn't Gaza bordered by the ocean? Can you say shipping? I think it also has a border with Egypt? Arabs only help Arabs by supplying weapons? "We want to help you kill people but we don't care if you die trying." Sounds like someone is spouting BS. Are the majority of the people miss-informed or just plain ignorant? There is a difference.

Point Two: I really don't care who started this conflict. I just know I am sick of hearing about it for the last 50 or so years. The only way to stop this is for one side to be completely destroyed. So please do not stop fighting until all are dead on one side or the other. That will finally end it.

Point Three: If you attack someone with a stick and they hit you back with a bigger stick, you have no logical reason for people to feel sorry for you. Just take your lumps and remember, whether right or wrong, TO THE VICTOR GO THE SPOILS.

Point Four: Hopefully this will finally decide who is the real "Supreme Being" God or Allah. So whomever wins this conflict, their God wins too ok? Whomever loses has to admit their Supreme Being is either weak and has no business being a Creator, or false and never existed in the first place. Can we all agree to this? Good. Thank you.

It's a trend in human history. I agree. Both sides need to learn to coexist. Israel must also understand that as long as Gaza remains an open air political prison, the prisoners will always resist and demand freedom.

If Arabs really gave a damn about the "Palestinian problem" they wouls use their ill gotten oil money to move these poor people out of this squalor. What they really want is to leave them suffering and dying so they can rail against the Jewish State. They care nothing about these poor people, they are just fodder for the islamist extremists and arab nationalists to use for their benefit. Shame on them all for not taking care of their own.

Perhaps, Hamas should spend their U.S., EU and Arab aid money on building a self sufficient economy and not on weapons to fire over an international border on another country.

Perhaps, Hamas should spend their U.S., EU and Arab aid money on building a self sufficient economy and not on weapons to fire over an international border on another country.

Do you mean like the $400 mil that the Emir of Qatar just dropped into Haniyeh's lap less than a month ago??? The money that was supposed to help their infrastructure???

Funny thing...that's when hamas began stepping up their attacks.

Coincidence???

What Muslim country has built up a self sufficient economy...why if it wasn't for conquest or oil Muslims weren't interested...

The muslim bassturds are the ones that started the shelling of Israel. Therefore Israel needs to destroy the entire breed. Hamas has no regard for their own people, why should Israel or any one else?

We did have a video of OBL from a drone but Clinton wouldn't give the go ahead.

They only voted Hamas into power because of intimidation and threat of murder. They are brutal.

Jennifer- Really?

"Hamas is particularly popular among Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, though it also has a following in the West Bank, and to a lesser extent in other Middle Eastern countries. Its popularity stems in part from its welfare wing providing social services to Palestinians in the occupied territories. Such services are not generally provided by the Palestinian Authority. Israeli scholar Reuven Paz estimates that 90% of Hamas activities revolve around "social, welfare, cultural, and educational activities." Social services include running relief programs and funding schools, orphanages, mosques, healthcare clinics, soup kitchens, and sports leagues.^[46]

In particular, Hamas funded health services where people could receive free or inexpensive medical treatment. Hamas greatly contributed to the health sector, and facilitated hospital and physician services in the Palestinian territory. On the other hand, Hamas's use of hospitals is sometimes criticised as purportedly serving the promotion of violence against Israel.^[47] Charities affiliated with Hamas are known to financially support families of those who have been killed or imprisoned while carrying out militant actions or supporting such actions. Families typically receive a one time grant of $500 to $5,000, and those whose homes have been destroyed by the Israel Defense Forces have their rent paid for temporary housing. Families of militants not affiliated with Hamas sometimes receive less.^[48]

Hamas has funded education and built Islamic charities, libraries, mosques and education centers for women. They also built nurseries, kindergartens and supervised religious schools that provide free meals to children. When children attend their schools and mosques, parents are required to sign oaths of allegiance. Refugees, as well as those left without homes, are able to claim financial and technical assistance from Hamas.^[49]"

regular good ol'boys right?build all those schools mosques hospitals? then place rocket lauchers in the middle of them?so israel gets the blame for killing innocents while hamas places them on purpose ,in harms way!just one question where does hamas get the money for all this "good work"?hmm i wonder!

The only reason I posted was so people could understand why a group of people might have voted in a "terrorist regime." If you look at the post, they almost come across as socialists.

I'm not choosing sides here but I am appalled that people on this site are suggesting genocide.