Funny how you go from "have differing interests" to "despise each other", where have you seen any hint of animosity between Hamas and Hezbollah in this article ?

I guess it's your hatred towards arabs and muslims taking over, you absolutely need to say something negative about them even if there's nothing as basis, quite sad.

The basis for peikovian's comment is quite clear. Just read the daily news and you can easily see the hatred muslims display towards other muslims in most arab countries through bombings and indiscriminate slaughter of innocent people.

Oh thanks for the info, I guess it's similar to the hatred christians display towards other christians as seen in Congo, Rwanda, Northern Ireland, Colombia, Mexico, ... through indiscriminate slaughter of innocent people.

What makes you think that any religion peoples like each other, even the Jewish religion as small as they are despise each other, no need to mention Christians, they are at each others throat even today. Muslims are like any other religion, they are mostly peaceful people, all billion or so of them but a very few are of the filthiest filth, just like some Jews and Christians are. Muslims are good people, it's just the media doesn't talk about their goodness, in fact most people on these posts have never been to any Muslim country so they judge them by what they see and hear and I don't blame them, I blame the media which is schooling them.

This article destroys the Zionist propaganda that Iran controls Hamas and Hezbollah. Both Hamas and Hezbollah are independent of Iran. Hezbollah does receive arms from Iran, but nothing of the magnitude of what Israel receives from America. In addition, America paid for Israel's "Iron Dome" missile defense system, which cost approximately 1 billion dollars of taxpayer money, borrowed from China.

We can cut some social programs or new bridges from our budget, so we can pay back the loans and the interest. Our politicians are so generous to Israel, it makes one want to puke.

Where are al-Yahūd al-ʿArab? Aden 0, Algeria 0, Bahrain 0, Egypt <100, Iraq <100, Lebanon <50, Libya 0, Morocco 3000, Sudan 0, Syria <100, Tunisia 1000, Yemen <400, after thousands of years you killed them or they fled to Israel, which protects them from being attacked for the crime of being non-Muslim. By contrast, in these lands the Jews never controlled, Muslims have built apartheid camps for other Muslims, and they were all once considered the same nationality of Syrian 100 years ago.

Religious mystics and political revolutionaries both demand what they haven't earned.

michael, you need to get a clue. clearly youve never spent extended periods of time in muslim/arab countries. well, ive been living in the middle east for 5 years. believe me, peikovian is totally right. they all hate each other. they are only out for themselves.

Hmmmm....

http://commonamericanjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/8ad8ccb145e9621b1c0f6a7067007c6e.jpg

happy thanksgiving ...

Ralph-

It in no way "destroys the Zionist propaganda that Iran controls Hamas and Hezbollah." It in fact reinforces Hezbollah's reliance on Syria and Iran. It states quite clearly that " Hezbollah is in a very vulnerable position. Without Syria, it would lose its lifeline to Iran." Lifeline sounds like pretty strong language.

As for the money we've given Israel, it is an investment in keeping safe one of our staunchest allies and the only reliable ally in an important but troubled region. Look, I don't always agree with Israel's actions but this country has been attacked since it's inception, an inception that was enacted as a sort of retribution for having 6,000,000 Jews systematically killed by the Nazis in WWII. To not stand by them would not only encourage increased terrorist activity against them but may even incite nations into aggression against them. Allies can be expensive but are important.

The only thing that unites Arab countries against us is our support of Israel and being in the Middle East. If we got out othere then they would go back to killing each other again.

It's really terrible what's happening in the Middle-East right now. But this will really blow you away!

There are innocent civilians killed or wounded in this terrible conflict, but apparently some of the pictures we're seeing of the dead and wounded were not taken in Gaza at all, but in SYRIA next door to Israel!

As we all know, Syria is going through a horrifying civil war, with 40,000 already killed. And some news outlets including even the once respected BBC have been a bit lazy of late and they've been caught recycling photos from Syria and adding captions as if the dead and wounded in the photos are from Gaza.

A friend sent me these links:

h t t p : / / www . breitbart . com / Big-Journalism / 2012 / 11 / 19 / BBC-Correspondent-Spreads-Another-Misattributed-Photo-of-an-Injured-Child

h t t p : / / www . algemeiner . com / 2012 / 11 / 18 / another-photo-of-syrian-massacre-falsely-recycled-as-gaza-tragedy/

In my opinion, Hezbollah are stockpiling their missiles and will use them in the event Israel attacks Iran. Hamas are doing the same thing. Thousands of rockets fired at Israel in unison will create major problems for them, giving Iran some breathing space and perhaps their only chance to “punish” Israel. This is what Iran is counting on!

While the main poster was talking about hatred between Arab factions, he is correct. Sunni Arabs have no love for Shiites. Sort of like Southern Baptists and Catholics, they have respect for each other, and that's about it. All Christians don't love all Christians, and the same can be said for Arabs loving other Arabs. Once the main enemy Israel would be done, they would turn their attentions on each other. There will never be peace as long as idiots go around saying, "My God is greater than your God."

Muslims are like any other religion, they are mostly peaceful people,

No one should have missiles fired into their cities, how would any one of you feel about that..Still no one hates the Jewish people other than Muslims however how many billion of them there are..

So if these are Russian rockets Hamas is firing unannounced provoking Israel,I'll have to say Iran has their hand in on it..

I think that Hezbollah is staying out of this because there is no upside for them getting involved. As the article says, Hezbollah is not just another terrorist organization, they are the government of Lebanon. They realize that this means that if they attack Israel it will be seen as a declaration of war by Lebanon against Israel. This means that unlike in Gaza, where the Israelis are using precision strikes against specific Hamas targets, the Israelis would let loose completely on Lebanon. Hezbollah knows that they are no match for the full force of the Israeli military in an all out war. Unlike in a response to a terrorist campaign where Israel worries about civilian casualties and the proportionality of their response, in an all out war there would be no such concerns on the part of the Israelis. They also recognize that if their attack were viewed as a declaration of war by Lebanon against Israel that it could bring the US into it. In addition, Hezbollah may be terrorists, but they are not stupid. They recognize that their ally Syria has other problems to deal with and that the current conflict in Syria basically wipes out the reliability of their supply line from Iran. They know that is they attack Israel right now that they would basically be on their own and they are smart enough to know that on their own they are no match for the Israeli military.

Hamas was never a proxy for Iranian or Syrian interests. They are largely a Sunni offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. The fact that Iran supplied weapons to Hamas is clearly due to the propaganda attempt by the Shiites in Iran to support the golden cause of populist Islam, and that is to destroy Israel. Hezbollah, on the other hand, is very closely linked.

Iran wants to be the center of the next Islamic Calliphate, but the Sunni will have nothing to do with it. Iran, is a prolific manufacturer of arms, and are trying to win friends and support by shipping them indescriminately to any Muslim country that will receive them.

The far more brutal war in Syria is an ironic reminder to Hezbollah, Iran, the Alawites, and the Shiites in general, that in the eyes of the Sunni, the Shiites are perceived as Dhimmi-status muslims, and not leaders.

If the Muslim world is shocked by the Israeli response to unilateral aggression, they must be catatonic by witnessing the prolific, well documented massacres/tortures in Syria.

It's beginning to appear that Allah is a very hungry God. When the Israelis kill, I witness the internal conflict of killing out of necessisty versus the regret of taking out a sentient soul. When Hamas kills, they march in the street chanting slogans and shouting "ALLAH-HU-AKBAR!" in an orgy of bloody celebration.

Other than the fact that Muslims haven't killed every
non-Muslim under their domain, there is very little else that they can point to
as proof that theirs is a peaceful, tolerant religion. Where Islam is dominant
(as in the Middle East and Pakistan) religious minorities suffer brutal
persecution with little resistance. Where Islam is in the minority (as in
Thailand, the Philippines and Europe) there is the threat of violence if Muslim
demands are not met. Either situation seems to provide a justification for
religious terrorism, which is persistent and endemic to Islamic
fundamentalism.

The reasons are obvious and begin with the Quran. Few verses
of Islam's most sacred text can be construed to fit the contemporary virtues of
religious tolerance and universal brotherhood. Those that do are earlier
"Meccan" verses which are obviously abrogated by later ones. This is why Muslim
apologists speak of the "risks" of trying to interpret the Quran without their
"assistance" - even while claiming that it is a perfect book.

Far from being mere history or theological construct, the
violent verses of the Quran have played a key role in very real massacre and
genocide. This includes the brutal slaughter of tens of millions of Hindus for
five centuries beginning around 1000 AD with Mahmud of Ghazni's bloody
conquest. Both he and the later Tamerlane (Islam's Genghis Khan) slaughtered an
untold number merely for defending their temples from destruction. Buddhism was
very nearly wiped off the Indian subcontinent. Judaism and Christianity met the
same fate (albeit more slowly) in areas conquered by Muslim armies, including
the Middle East, North Africa and parts of Europe, including today's Turkey.
Zoroastrianism, the ancient religion of a proud Persian people is despised by
Muslims and barely survives in modern Iran.

So ingrained is violence in the religion that Islam has never
really stopped being at war, either with other religions or with itself.

Muhammad was a military leader, laying siege to towns, massacring
the men, raping
their women, enslaving their children, and taking the property of others as his
own. On several occasions he rejected offers of surrender from the besieged
inhabitants and even butchered captives.
He actually inspired his followers to battle when they did not feel it was right
to fight, promising them slaves and booty if they did and threatening them with
Hell if they did not. Muhammad allowed his men to rape traumatized women
captured in battle, usually on the very day their husbands and family members
were slaughtered.

It is important to emphasize that, for the most part, Muslim
armies waged aggressive campaigns, and the religion's most dramatic
military conquests were made by the actual companions of Muhammad in the decades
following his death. The early Islamic principle of warfare was that the
civilian population of a town was to be destroyed (ie. men executed, women and
children taken as slaves) if they defended themselves. Although modern
apologists often claim that Muslims are only supposed to attack in self-defense,
this is an oxymoron that is flatly
contradicted by the accounts of Islamic historians and others that go back
to the time of Muhammad.

Consider the example of the Qurayza Jews, who were completely
obliterated only five years after Muhammad arrived in Medina. Their leader
opted to stay neutral when their town was besieged by a Meccan army that was
sent to take revenge for Muhammad's deadly caravan raids. The tribe killed no
one from either side and even surrendered peacefully to Muhammad after the
Meccans had been turned back. Yet the prophet of Islam had every male member of
the Qurayza beheaded, and every woman and child enslaved, even raping one of the
captives himself (what Muslim apologists might refer to as "same day
marriage").

One of Islam's most revered modern scholars, Sheikh Yusuf
al-Qaradawi, openly sanctions offensive Jihad: "In the Jihad which you are
seeking, you look for the enemy and invade him. This type of Jihad takes place only when the Islamic state is invading other
[countries] in order to spread the word of
Islam and to remove obstacles standing in its way." Elsewhere, he
notes: "Islam has the right to take the initiative…this is God’s religion and
it is for the whole world. It has the right to destroy all obstacles in the form
of institutions and traditions … it attacks institutions and traditions to
release human beings from their poisonous influences, which distort human nature
and curtail human freedom. Those who say that Islamic Jihad was merely for the
defense of the 'homeland of Islam' diminish the greatness of the Islamic way of
life."

The widely respected Dictionary of Islam
defines Jihad as "A religious war with those who are unbelievers in the
mission of Muhammad. It is an incumbent religious duty, established in the
Qur'an and in the Traditions as a divine institution, and enjoined specially for
the purpose of advancing Islam and of repelling evil from Muslims…[Quoting from
the Hanafi school, Hedaya, 2:140, 141.], "The destruction of the sword is
incurred by infidels, although they be not the first aggressors, as appears
from various passages in the traditions which are generally received to this
effect."

Muhammad's failure to leave a clear line of succession
resulted in perpetual internal war following his death. Those who knew him best
first fought to keep remote tribes from leaving Islam and reverting to their
preferred religion (the Ridda or 'Apostasy wars'). Then, within the closer
community, early Meccan converts battled later ones. Hostility developed
between those immigrants who had traveled with Muhammad to Mecca and the Ansar
at Medina who had helped them settle in. Finally there was a violent struggle
within Muhammad's own family between his favorite wife and favorite daughter - a
jagged schism that has left Shias and Sunnis at each others' throats to this
day.

The strangest and most untrue thing that can be said about
Islam is that it is a Religion of Peace. If every standard by which the West is
judged and condemned (slavery, imperialism, intolerance, misogyny, sexual
repression, warfare...) were applied equally to Islam, the verdict would be
devastating. Islam never gives up what it conquers, be it religion, culture,
language or life. Neither does it make apologies or any real effort at moral
progress. It is the least open to dialogue and the most self-absorbed. It is
convinced of its own perfection, yet brutally shuns self-examination and
represses criticism.

This is what makes the Quran's verses of violence so
dangerous. They are given the weight of divine command. While Muslim
terrorists take them as literally as anything else in their holy book, and
understand that Islam is incomplete without Jihad, moderates offer little to
contradict them - outside of opinion. Indeed, what do they have? Speaking of
peace and love may win over the ignorant, but when every twelfth verse of
Islam's holiest book either speaks to Allah's hatred for non-Muslims or calls
for their death, forced conversion, or subjugation, it's little wonder that
sympathy for terrorism runs as deeply as it does in the
broader community - even if most Muslims personally prefer not to interpret
their religion in this way.

Although scholars like Ibn Khaldun, one of Islam's most
respected philosophers, understood that "the holy war is a religious duty,
because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to)
convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force", many other
Muslims are either unaware or willfully ignorant of the Quran's near absence of
verses that preach universal non-violence. Their understanding of Islam comes
from what they are taught by others. In the West, it is typical for believers
to think that their religion must be like Christianity - preaching the New
Testament virtues of peace, love, and tolerance - because Muslims are taught
that Islam is supposed to be superior in
every way. They are somewhat surprised and embarrassed to learn that the
evidence of the Quran and the bloody history of Islam are very much in
contradiction to this.

Others simply accept the violence. In 1991, a Palestinian
couple in America was convicted of stabbing their daughter to death for being
too Westernized. A family friend came to their defense, excoriating the jury
for not understanding the "culture", claiming that the father was merely
following "the religion" and saying that the couple had to "discipline their
daughter or lose respect." (source).
In 2011, unrepentant Palestinian terrorists, responsible for the brutal murders
of civilians, women and children explicitly in
the name of Allah were treated to a luxurious "holy pilgrimage" to Mecca by the
Saudi king - without a single Muslim voice raised in protest.

For their part, Western liberals would do well not to
sacrifice critical thinking to the god of political correctness, or look for
reasons to bring other religion down to the level of Islam merely to avoid the
existential truth that this it is both different and dangerous.

There are just too many Muslims who take the Quran literally

The only reason Hezbollah are sitting this out, is because they haven't been given orders from Iran to "go head." Don't believe me? Listen to the co-founder of Hezbollah give his story then make up your own mind. http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand/escape-from-darkness

This info is all referenced (just click the underlined words) and the information is free, so copy paste it if you wish.

Hezbollah is Irans ace in the hole that will be used when Israel attacks Iran next year.

Michael, I think you are a little confused. Other than Ireland(which has been pretty peaceful of late) those conflicts that you mentioned were or are not religious of nature. They all had their differences but did not use religion as fuel to practice their atrocities.

I did a lot of research yesterday, I found several documentaries on Netflix about this region, Arabia-IMAX is a good one, and I also found some one You-Tube under "Gaza". I realize these are supported by certain entities but they are good to watch....it puts the human back into Gaza and the Palestinians that we all seem to forget about.

I am going to continue my research because they are humans too...and they have suffered a great tragedy since Israel became a recognized state...Now, Gaza, wants the same rights as was given to Israel by the UN....now, Israel tells Gaza the only way they can get statehood is through negotiations with them....but that is not how Israel came to be, and now that Gaza is applying to Statehood at the end of this month, Israel, is throwing a huge fit and its telling them no....quote "there will be a high price to pay" if Gaza sidesteps Israel and goes straight to the UN....that is why Israel is trying to get the world to despise Gaza so that they dont get rights....Israel has taken what was given to them, but will not allow others to get the same treatment and statehood.

They hope this...they hope that; everybody hopes this and that. The political show surrounding this whole ongoing series of events sounds just like a bunch of little boys at a boxing arena - (how did they get in there?).

This is all propaganda; this article, the conference calls, all the high profile visits and all the high profile (and highly publicized) sit-outs! Joseph Gobel's would have loved this (if he had been sitting here today in his furer's 1000 year government). Ha!

1.26

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynWjYHP91gA&feature=fvwrel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6bstpSIwO0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgl0JnE4B_4

astounding

please go write your own article...that post is just flat out ridiculous long and im sure you didnt cite your sources correctly

Why would Israel attack Iran ? Is Iran masterminding this ?

roadlesstraveled; check out the documentary - An Orange Clockwork (howIsrael uses Hamas as slaves and steals their land).

Too all those who say "would you tolerate the USA coming under attack constantly"? The death toll in the USA from Mexican cartels is much higher than what Israel has suffered - and the USA does not target strategic strongholds in Mexico - so the answer to your question is; yes the USA does tolerate attacks on Americans.

I'm surprised this article made it to press - so much for the idea that every Muslim is hell-bent on attacking Israel. According to conservatives - Muslims are not supposed to be logical and rational. For every one positive (liberal) article on this conflict - there are 50 negative (conservative) articles. In the mind of conservatives, this equals, the media is liberal.

I love the phrases used by posters; Muslim Brotherhood, terrorist countries, Allah is a hungry God...what the heck do these posters think America should be called when we steal their oil, invade their countries, kill their families, erect military installations. Americans go ape @!$%# when they burn a few flags - lots of thin skin on them Americans.

You are what you support - choose wisely. Personally - if it involves a religion, I'm not taking any side...but the well informed know this isn't about religion.

Hello Arch at 1.10, that is so fitting!

LUSITANIA.. YOU STATE"Still no one hates the Jewish people other than Muslims ". is that why the german's killed some 6 million of them, because they loved the jews. and also is that because no country in europe as well as u.s would allow them in after the IIWW. I am in a buisiness that deals with all ethnic groups. I tell you this much. most jewish people think that the whole world hates them.

It is plain as day that the Islam cult followers know that they are being watched and if they come into the light they will be squashed like roaches.. They prefer to use their resources in the pursuit of terror as it takes far less effort to sustain..

Those who think that this Israele action is unjust consider this.. Would you be OK with someone randomly tossing pipe bombs at your home for years?? Their motivation? It is just poor looser syndrome on the part of the Arabs.. They lost the territory when they were the aggressors and are lucky that they got back what they have.. Since Arabs live in peace and prosperity in Israel it is Hezbollah that is the sick mind..

people seem to forget that all these so called terrorist groups were created by west and then they turned their back on them. hamas is no exception. the isreali's created hamas to counter the influence of arafat and plo. I don't know why in u.s they call isreal an ally. last year some mossad agents pretended to be cia agents and contracted jundallah"another terrorist group created by west" to assassin iranians in iran.the media didn't make any headlines out of it, but to put it in a simple way"If I make myself look like a friend of mine and go rob a bank, I am sure my friend would drop me as a friend. that is how isreali alliance is to u.s, and if it wasn't for the 50% of the senates and house of represenative who are jewish, u.s would drop isreal as an ally like a hot potato.

Everyone knows that Iran and Syria's Assad are God fathers for Hezbollah!

Sunni Saudis, Qataris, Turkey and Sunni Arab League members are supporting the Sunni Syrian rebels against Assad. Also Sunni Saudi killer machines like al Qaida, Salaffi, MB and other label ones are assisting Sryian rebels and arming them.

When Sunni Saudis, Qataris and their front Hamas are busy in Israel, Shiites especially Hezbollah should attack Qatar, Saudi Arabia and other Sunni nations.

At least Hezbollah can fire their rockets into those nations.

Kurds should battle against Turkey for their Kurdistan!

What a bunch of cowards these Hezbollah and Kurds are!

@Roadlesstraveled,

It's all cited correctly, just click the underlined words. Sorry it was so long, but here, if you want to know what Hezbollah is about listen to the co-founder.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand/escape-from-darkness

You may not agree with what he has to say about Christianity or whatever, BUT HE IS THE CO-FOUNDER OF HEZBOLLAH AND I'D RATHER LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAYS IT'S ABOUT AND THEIR PURPOSE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. Just watch the video, it's linked right there, and I can't express this enough but the guy is the co-founder of hezbollah, he explains their workings and funding and existence better than anyone possible could express through words on this site.

Hezbollah is just saving their ammo... All muslim terror orgs are committed to wiping Israel off the map and killing as many Jewish people as they can.

Hezbollah is simply doing what the Iranians have requested all along. Build up their arsenals and wait for a coordinated attack on Israel to be spearheaded by Iran. Apparently Hamas is unwilling to wait and is happy taking pot shots at Israel and then having their capabilities and leadership degraded by the Israeli counter attacks. Unfortunately, for all of them, it won't work. Israel will decimate them no matter what tactic they take. The sooner they realize that and set aside their hatred the sooner a sensible solution can be reached.

One such solution would be to hand of Yemen or a similar area to the "Palestinians" and have that become their state. Yemen is a lawless hell hole as it stands right now and making it the Palestinian state would solve several problems at once. assuming the jihadist hatred of the Jews can ever be set aside. It is a shame for so much human potential to be wasted on devoting ones life to hatred. Is that really what Allah wants?

On a brighter note, Jessie Jackson Jr., having the distinction of being reelected by the Dems while he sat in the mental health ward suffering serious mental health issues (thereby calling into question their mental capacity), has resigned. Now all that is left to do is prosecute him and his wife for election fraud.

With events playing out the way they are in Syria right now, Hezbollah might be better served seeking it's own peace with Israel as their patrons in Damascus and Tehran may not be well poised to offer assistance in the near future. If Egypt did it and made it work, no reason why Lebanon could not.

If only other countries like North Korea would get a clue....An all out war between two countries means there will be a losing side and a winning side. The loser has a lower chance of having his regime remain in place, period.

True Mike.

Mike S. and Ana...there are so many examples of regimes ignoring the obvious, self-delusion is possible when "true-faith" is a component of the belief system. As far back as the Old Testament "If God be for us, who can be against us" is a common theme. Regimes substitute "Right versus Wrong", racial purity, or "It's us against the World", but when it comes to war, common sense goes out the window in most cases. It's not just Muslims, tribes in the Amazon fight over superstitions. Hell, George Washington is often credited with starting the French and Indian War over an mistaken notion. But few start a war they think they'll lose, it happens, but it's rare.

Hezbollah is sitting this out because they have their attention is on Syria and even Hezbollah knows they can't win two wars at once. Syria is more important right now then engaging Israel in a exchange of missiles and air strikes. But how long Hezbollah sits on the sidelines could be brief if they smell blood in the water. Which explains why the Israelis are pounding Gaza so intently, not only are they tired of the rockets, but they realize if the Arabs sense any weakness in Israeli resolve, a feeding frenzy prompted by Iran and long term resentment from the Palestinians.

All of the recent Gaza drama are moves in a strategy by Iran to distract everyone until they can move forward with uranium enrichment. It costs Iran little or nothing, will potentially paint the Israelis as the "bad guys" no matter what and creates sufficient tension in an already tense region to cause the Americans to be cautious and avoid provocative moves.

The crazy part is non-Arabs (Iranians are Persian) will use Arab Palestinians as a proxy in a war with Israel so they can gain dominance in the Gulf region over fellow Muslims. Essentially, the Sunni Shiite argument propped up by monetary and political dominance is being used to take advantage of events in Syria and the "Arab Spring" to put a Persian state in a safe position from Western (infidel) powers.

There's no such thing as a smart hezbollah or no such thing as a good muslim. Where ever these SOB's live from Asia, Europe and in the West. They think they own the land they stand on.

yep they finally learned... if you shoot your rockets into israel to kill indiscriminately then they are gonna launch air raids against you that are far more accurate and more deadly.

something hamas is gonna have to learn too.

Glad to see israel sticking up for themseves. About friggin time!!!!

As soon as civilized intelligent people realize that islam is a virus the better we will be able to deal with it. All a virus does is spread without logic, reason or agenda leaving nothing but death, destruction, and despair in its wake. It creates nothing for the betterment of civilized society except twisted tormented evil thoughts within the brains of those infected. islam destroys people, the ability to think freely, historic art pieces and any hope of human kindness, happiness or education. Science has never cured a virus nor will it cure islam. The only thing we can do is isolate the virus carriers from the non-infected. Pretty soon the virus carriers will start to kill each other. No carriers ...no virus. Witness what is happening in countries where the non-infected have vacated. The virus carriers are killing each other.

Ask yourself this question. Where are the virus carriers unhappy? Gaza, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Somalia

Where are the virus carriers happy? USA, France, England, Europe, Australia to name a few.

And what do the virus carriers want to do in the countries where they are happy? They do not want to assimilate into the cultures where they live, they want to change their new homelands into the countries from whence they came. Sound logical? A virus is not logical..........nor is islam. Time to wake up people and smell the stench caused by the decay this virus known as islam leaves in its wake.

Seven, yours is a very interesting, poetic post, especially the part about death, destruction, and despair. Reminds me of the parable spoken by the Christ: "...The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy..." (John 10:10)

I agree with you. Look how when they come here to the U.S. they want to institute sharia law. And if something is not done to stop them from spreading their culture, there will be honor killings in countries such as England, France, etc.

Why don't you listen to the co-founder of Hezbollah give his story....

http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand/escape-from-darkness

Listen to him, an Iranian, even if you don't agree with what he says about Christianity, he really highlights Islamic Fundamentalism well, and as co-founder of Hezbollah, he'll tell you that Iranians are the "mother" of Hezbollah, and they have taken life oaths to wipe out America and Israel.

Unite ISRAEL! To bad the Gazan muslims have blown up so many busses, I'd suggest offering each and every Gazan Muslim a ticket to any of the surrounding Islamic countries and those that wished to stay, level the place, then build Israeli homes, on Israeli soil, over the ashes of the remnants of old Gaza. And also, I'd advocate Israel to do the same thing in the West Bank, instead of splitting the nation up further, don't they deserve a tiny strip of land that they have fought for (documented from Roman times).

Israel has been very nice so far. They even let the Muslims in the West Bank and Gaza use East Jerusalem as their capital, hence the dome of the rock where the Temple Mound should be. Take back your land Israel. The muslims have a saying for war : When you see discord amongst the troops of your enemy, be of good courage; but if they are united, then be upon your guard. When you see contention amongst your enemies, go and sit at ease with your friends; but when you see them of one mind, string your bow, and place stones upon the ramparts.
- Moslih Eddin (Muslih-un-Din) Saadi (Sadi)

Well, Israel, your neighbors and enemies are definitely at contention with each other thanks to the Arab Spring. But instead of sitting at ease, why dont' you unify your country.

Since love and fear can hardly coexist together, if we must choose between them, it is far safer to be feared than loved.

- Niccolò Machiavelli

Men should either be treated generously or destroyed, because they take revenge for slight injuries - for heavy ones they cannot.

- Niccolò Machiavelli

UNTRUE Mike and Anna: Neither of you seem so bright nor experienced as you talk youselves up to be. First, nothing is as clear cut as you seem to think. Second, war (if we are talking about war and if we must talk about war) is not a football game! And even in a football game when the game is over and one side is declared a winner and the other side a loser, each team still walks away with problems that they did not arrive with! But for most of us we have to grow and experience (perhaps for a long time) before we know the difference!

astounding your facts are skewed...can you put that much effort into finding out what Gaza is going through? or do you even care about the other side? ....because they are muslim?

Poor, poor muslims. They want the world to have a pity party for them. The bastards want to change every nation they run to into the craphole that they left. I say round up every stinkin' muslim on the planet, put a registration number tattooed on their head and a tracking device embedded in a major organ. There are no good muslims. Their religion empahsises that they should kill all non muslims. That's some love that their false god allah commands! Maybe we can develop a super bug that is fatal to all muslims! Problem solved.

@roadlesstraveled -

No, Islam is a militant religion founded by a pedophile (documented in the quran as having married a girl at seven and consumating the marriage between 8 and 9...a practice still in Islamic society today beacause the quran is the same everywhere, and it says it's okay, also a religion founded by a guy who advocates beheadings of any NON-MUSLIM! A religion that advocates mass rapings of women as "justice" for "criminal behavior" ... That means, any, they don't care if you're atheist or buddhist. Read post 1.23 for all the cited sources.

And will you please bother watching what the co founder of Hezbollah says about Iran's support for the extermination of whole peoples, mainly Jews and Christians: http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand/escape-from-darkness

There is the link, you don't have to agree with what he says about christianity, but listen to what he says about Islam, Iran, Hezbollah and all that goes with it. Then make up your own mind.

Islam is a militant religion.

Why do the Jewish people have such a long history of being persecuted by so many ? Oh that's right, Ahmadinejad said that persecution was all fiction.

Most of these rants on here are just pure propaganda. Sunni's and Shiites hate each other, even more than us. Islam is the scourge of this planet. Say what you want, when you "tent" or "hide" your females as second class humans, and when you can get people on their knees with their rears in the air 5 times a day, 7 days a week, that is indoctrination, a cult, much much more than a religion.

No!

Hezbollah, Shiites and Kurds are proving to be dumb to take beatings in Syria, Iran, Pakistan and other places and still be quiet now!

They should attack Saudi Arabia starting from Mecca, Medina and other places. What are they doing with so many rockets?

Blow the rockets into Sunni Saudi Arabia and the palaces of House of Saud, Qatar and other enemies!

CorrectIt

UNTRUE Mike and Anna: Neither of you seem so bright nor experienced as you talk youselves up to be.

lol CorrectIt, thank you for the kind words. I didn't realise I was supposed to provide you with a full analysis of the situation. I do believe most Lebanese don't want to go to war (they already went through that with Israel), and it does seem like Hezbollah is getting smarter, i.e. paying attention to public opinion more then they used to, and a bit less radical then they used to be. I still don't think they should be trusted tho, but hopefully they will stay away from this Israel/Palestine conflict.

While I am a Israel supporter - I am under no illusion that Israel will last more than a month in that neiborhood without American support. So be realistic about the claims.

Lenny,

Israelis did not do as well as they expected in Lebanon last time, but they were still way better of than Lebanon.

PJ,

Israel lasted 24 years in that neighborhood without American support, namely 1948 thorough 1972.

They killed a lot of Hezbollah terrorists, but the terrorists managed to take a lot of innocent civilians with them as they always do.

And what exactly makes it a victory for Hezbollah?

all they accomplished was killing about 200 Israelis.

Is that what you consider the great victory worth sacrificing thousands of Lebanese?

"Hezbollah managed to kill more Israeli combatants"

Now that's a funny claim.

I ses the JDL has made it here, thank you Eli. The US has supported Israel since its founding, don't kid yourself. I think you used 73 because you were confused 1973 is the year Israel attacked the US Navy ship Liberty, killing and wounding 100s of Americans. What Israel is doing is losing the propaganda war and the moral authority as an occupying power. I also don't think there is a solution. Canada shoots missles into the US I would support nuking them. Israel has the right to defend themselves I, as an American single passport taxpayer don't want to support them anymore. There is no more money.

While I am a Israel supporter - I am under no illusion that Israel will last more than a month in that neiborhood without American support. So be realistic about the claims.

Nonsense. They have hundreds of nukes, maybe the 3rd or 4th best air force in the world (which we sold them), etc. All of their enemies have a combined ZERO nukes and nowhere near the firepower in air, land, or sea, combined. Israel needs us to fight their battles like we need Mexico to fight ours. The difference is we think it's our job to play world empire boss...at the expense of both our blood and treasure. We welfare the world our military and kids. This has nothing to do with defense...its all offense and aggression. They (our govt) sent war ships into the area and claimed it was to evacuate Americans in case things got worse...lol. As if you need war ships to do that...that's hillarious. They evacuate people from other countries with helicopters and armed escorts.

So sad people think Israel needs us.

@Eli I am not going to argue with you. But Israel is like a nascent plant that has needed protection and will need protection.

All I am saying is Israel shouldn't be belligerent and lose touch with this reality.

Hezbollah has become a paper tiger fit for doing fiery tenth century desert dances with their Arab dresses.

They are neither fighting Sunni Syrian rebels and their pals al Qaida, MB and Salaffi in Syria.

Now sitting quiet instead of attacking Sunni Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, UAE and their other Sunni enemies will be most foolish.

Sunni Saudis, Qataris and other Sunni Arab League rulers are primarily inventors of all problems for Shiites in Syria, Iran and other Muslim nations. They invented Iraqi wars!

Hezbollhas should fire rockets into enemy territories and blow them to pieces.

Hezbollah is certainly not going to attack Israel without provocation, because they know the US 6th Fleet is standing by, just waiting for an excuse to attack both Lebanon and Iran.

Israeli troops are scared s-tless to go into Lebanon again, because they were whipped like dogs the last time. It was a national disgrace for Israel, especially because they had planned the operation for months, just waiting for an excuse.

The Arab countries need to unite and attack only if and when Israel makes a mistep, by making an unprovoked attack on one of them. Israel has attacked every one of them, at one time or another and turnabout will be fair play.

Of course, another Israeli false flag attack, is always a possibility.

Very funny.

If, Hezbollah isy not going to attack Israel without provocation AGAIN, because last time they did they were whipped like dogs, and now they are scared s-tless, especially Nasrallah in his underground bunker.

As for Arab states uniting against Israel, they have already tired it three times.

Ralph H, what planet do you live on? Israel would level Lebanon in 24 hour's if they wanted to. Israel is not like the USA, where we worry what others think, they are in the existence business, America is in the pandering business. Israels Army is more tougher pound per pound than American forces will ever be.

It seems like the logic of Hezbollah (and their supporters like Ralph) works for Hamas as well.

Right now they are celebrating their victory, which consist of killing 5 random Israelis, at the cost of 140 Palestinians.

Islamist can feel like winners under any circumstances.

Not really. Lenny can say whatever he likes so long as it isn't personal. He's made it almost a year now so you'll just have to tolerate him like the rest of us.

jackieboy, those you've known are a very small minority. Most Lebanese, despite their differences with Hezbollah supporters, are very sympathetic to their cause and actually view them in a favorable light. I'm speaking based on my experience with my Lebanese neighbor (a Sunni) who was once an anti-Hezbollah supporter.

ampillion -

I am sure you have experience with your Lebanese neighbor, but I am have been to Lebanon, lived there for a short time, known Lebanese all my life, and still in touch with many of them. Your experience with one neighbor is giving you a false impression. The great majority of Lebanese would like to kick Iran, Syria and hezbolah out of their lives and go back to their secular, tolerant and wonderful lifestyle they maintained before Arafat ruined it in 1979, followed by Iran/hezbolah in 1982.

I'm curious...what did Lenny12 post that was so bad?

Nothing bad, only something stupid, not as crazy as Ralph though.

Not everyone who condemns terrorists is republican.

Jerkyboy,

get over yourself, your not that important or powerful.

Farideh,

Who are you kidding? The muslims only want to kick out or kill non-muslims such as the Jewish and Christians. People are not falling for that islamic bull@!$%# about peace anymore. muslims have shown their true colors: beheadings, rape, child molestation, murder, kidnapping, and any other evil you can think of.

Farideh,

BTW, I am not intending to say you are spreading any bull@!$%#, but just that islamists are doing so on a daily basis. No disrespect against you.

USwillWin,

With all due appreciation for your patriotism, please have some restraint.

Farideh is a regular poster on this site, not only is she a well known supporter of Israel, who condemns islamism, she is also (as far as we can know online without meeting each other in person) a refugee from Iran who experienced their oppression personally.

You don't want to end up insulting your own allies.

Also, a true supporter of democracy should be against islamists, but not Muslims. There is big difference.

Ralph, your right it was terrible for the Lebanese and I know they suffered tremendously. I think the idea is for them to think twice before kidnapping Israeli solders.

farideh, eli and uswillwin. I know that you have unconditional support for isreal and whatever they do. I am an iranian as well as farideh is and was put in jail by ripping khomaini's picture off the wall, my sister was 7 mon pergnant and was put in jail for anti governement activities, I don't believe in any religion. served in millitary in iraq war to defend my country and eventually moved from Iran. so don't tag me with the muslim bs. the problem i have with most of you is that you talk bs, but don't have any suggestion for a peaceful resolution. like shimon peres's son who says"level palestine"and what would that resolve. Isreali's are at fault as well. they say they gave palestine back, but made a concentration camp out of it. what is giving it back means when they control the air, water and land of palestine with no one and nothing allowed to enter or leave. what kind of life do they think the palestinian have in this kind of situation.no hope, and that is perhaps the reason for their resistance. don't forget that hamas is the product of isreal to counter arafat and plo. Iran is trying to counter isreali's with hezballah. since isreal also uses jundallah and other terrorist groups to divide iran .form azarbayjan to khozestan, kusrdistan and baluchestan. the old british concept of devide and conqure. I am mostly disappointed with farideh who is an iranian and can't seperate iranian government with iran. If she went through what you say she did, then she should know that majority of iranian are against this regime, and that this regime is holding iranian hostage. by advocating and demonizing iran in general and war mongering against iran makes me think that she has ill feeling for iranian all together. farideh, are you willing to have your homeland invaded and divided by u.s and the west.If your answere is no , then please stop war mangering and if your answere is yes, then I feel sorry for you.

Duval- The Israeli operation against Lebanon was planned way in advance and would have occured without the border incident. The targets for the air attacks had been selected long ago.

I was happy to read about the cowardice and incompetence displayed by the Israeli soldiers, who fled back to Israel after a hastily arranged truce. The Israelis were defeated by a militia of 5000 Lebanese freedom fighters, armed with tanks and heavy armor.

rameshm2,

Peaceful solution is in the hands of Palestinians. All they have to do is not attack Israel,then Israel wont attack them.

You say: "made a concentration camp out of it. what is giving it back means when they control the air, water and land of palestine with no one and nothing allowed to enter or leave".

That's simply not true, there is plenty of aid going into Gaza, including aid from Israel. Also, Israel has no control over Gaza-Egypt border. You don't seem to have any complaints for Egypt, so surely they will be happy to open their border and provide Gazans with everything they need.

I wonder if you notice that you contradict your self. First you say: "isreal also uses jundallah and other terrorist groups to divide iran"

Then you say: "majority of iranian are against this regime, and that this regime is holding iranian hostage"

Well, if you are against Iranian regime, don't you want Iranians to rise up against it, and shouldn't you be all for Israel providing help to those Iranian organizations who fight against that regime?

You want a peaceful solution? Here is one:

1) Hamas stops shooting at Israel. Egypt opens there border with Gaza, and Gaza starts proper economic development with the help of Egypt and without Israel.

2) PA goes to a negotiation table with Israel, they agree on a proper border between Israel and West Bank, and from that moment on IDF arrests any settler who tries to cross that border and make any trouble in West Bank.

3) Iranians can:

A) Get rid of their regime and elect someone who can get through a speech without calling Israel "cancer" or "rotten corpse" or anything else like that.

B) Show UN inspectors everything they want to see and convince the world once and for all that they are not making nukes.

C) Pull out of the treaty, so they will have legal right to build nukes, and no one will try to forbid them.

In any of these cases, from that moment on they wont have to bother Israel and Israel wont bother them.

4) Hezbollah does not shoot over Israeli border any more and does not kidnap soldiers, then Israel does not bomb the crap out of Lebanon.

How is that for a solution?

ELI... absolutely NOT. I do not want isreali's helping jundallah or any terrorist group to overthrow the government, since that is not what their only intention is. their intention is 1-overthrew of the regime and 2-disolve iran. Isreal and west have ill intention for iran. I am neither contradicting myself, nor am I stupid to believe this nonsense. I am 100% against isreali's policy towards iran and the rest of the region. actually the isrelai's are doing the worst thing possible to the iranian people. all the sanction that is placed on iran"forced by isreal" is weakening iranian people to the point that no one is thinking about politics anymore. all people are concerned at this point is how to feed their starving children. put yourself in thier shoes. If you had no job, and the prices of everthing was doubling every day, would you be posting comments or would you be trying every possible way to put food on the table?when people have enough to provide for thier family, then they have more time and a more clear view to rise up.do I want to have what isreal did to iraq,happen to iran. no.

now lets get to your solutions. my opinion and life expeience is that when people are despirate and have their back against the wall, then they do whatever possible to balance themselves. My opinion is that if the gazan were left alone and the new generation has a sense of a good life and prosperity, they will put their gun down, but I think it should start with isreal. since they have the upper hand, but I also think that isreali government does not want a 2 state solution.they profit more from war than peace.

in regard to iran. you know it and I know it that these are all rhetoric. Isreali government also is a blame for this, since they keep calling iran a threat to isreal and the world, which is realy not true. they are a threat to isreali and u.s interest. what the iranian governemt is doing is counter balancing the isreali and the west.so let see. u.s. created alquida, bin ladin, taliban, jundallah and a whole bunch of other terrorist groups and iran to counter that created hezballah. hamas was laso created by isreal. I don't know when these countries are going to learn that creating the terrorist groups eventually would harm their interst in a long term.. in regard to iran's nuclear program.Iran has shown everything that is in the contract to iaea. the parchin side is a millitary research and developement center which is not a part of the contract with iaea. Iran is not obligated to have iaea inspect it, but agreed that if us. and the west lift sanctions and ease them, they will allow iaea to inspect parchin. as far as pulling out of treaty, I think that may cause a war and I don't think anyone wants to do that .

MY real feeling is that isreal has tried every thing to overthrow the iranian regime and it hasn't worked. Iranian regime w/o the west sanctions and threat will disolve eventually. I don't believe that u.s and the west have any interest in an independent ,democratic iran or any nation in middle east. It is not to thier interest. Imagine if saudi had an independent and democratic government and decided that they are not going to sell oil to u.s and receive "I owe you"bonds. and the rest of the arab league followed them. the u.s econmy will get down to stone age.

I think the problem that west has with iran, is not about democracy vs dictatroship, nuclear bomb or terrorist and etc:since the west has proven that they back any dictatorship as long as they are aligned with u.s interest" I think the u.s problem with iran is that the iranian government "be it dictatorship or democratic"wants to be independent from the west, and if u.s let this one pass, the rest of the persian gulf arab states will follow their lead and that is a BIG NO NO for the u.s and the west. the rest is all strategy from both side. and I wanted to mention one more thing. all of these wars are for the interest of the rich and in the process people like you and me and the rest of the 99% will have to lose their life for the filthy rich who are never satisfied. it is all a game to them, but the ordinary people get the pay the ultimate price.

"Dissolve Iran" Seriously? When did Israel ever threaten Iran's existence?

The worst threat that ever came from Israel was to destroy the nuclear facilities, which, granted, could get messy, but hardly enough to dissolve all of Iran. Israel's goal is to keep Iran from being a threat to Israel. Indeed,t hey don't care if it's because Iran is short on cash, torn by civil war or just has a government that is not interested in attacking Israel, any one will do.

"Isreali government also is a blame for this, since they keep calling iran a threat to isreal" - well may be Iranian government should stop threatening Israel, then no one will call them "threat to Israel".

"I don't believe that u.s and the west have any interest in an independent ,democratic iran or any nation in middle east. It is not to thier interest. Imagine if saudi had an independent and democratic government and decided that they are not going to sell oil to u.s and receive "I owe you"bonds. and the rest of the arab league followed them. the u.s econmy will get down to stone age."

Now, here you are more wrong than ever. You might not know that, but there is plenty of oil in US, more than enough. The only reason American companies are not drilling for oil here is that it's cheaper for them to buy oil overboard. If Arab states just plain refused to sell oil to US, our lives would improve a great deal, because corporations would finally start building pumps here creating more jobs and investing into alternative fuels. Arab states, however, would loose their biggest source of profit. So, no Arab government "be it dictatorship or democratic" would ever do that.

"My opinion is that if the gazan were left alone and the new generation has a sense of a good life and prosperity, they will put their gun down, but I think it should start with isreal." - Well, it already started with Israel, who handed Gaza over to Palestinians on a silver platter, in exchange for absolutely nothing, and was more than happy to leave them alone. Now, let's see Palestinians do something for peace. All they are asked is not to shoot at Israel, that's all, nothing more.

What would the United States do if Mexico started building settlements in Texas ? The same thing the Palestinians do.

michael - There is no comparison. Mexicans don't have US destruction in their charter, nor do they fire rockets because they don't recognize US right to exist.

I love it when people try to compare US and Mexico to Israel and Palestine. Although they tend to switch roles.

Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California all used to be part of Mexico until Pancho Vila tried to take on USA.

Today, USA build all sorts of things there. Mexico never complains, nor do they try to shoot rockets at USA, and if they did USA would bomb the crap out of them in a manner very similar to Israel, and I doubt the world community would show any outrage.

Farideh: you're mixing countries. Here Mexico is Israel, and the United States Palestine.But again, it doesn't matter, settlements have never been a reaction to missiles or a lack of recognition, they've always been about colonialism and land grab.

Eli100: Again, if Mexico tried to take Texas by building settlements, what would the US do ? That's the question. Because the whole world recognizes that the occupied territories post-1967 are *NOT* Israel's land.

michael -

1) You would not be talking about "land grab" today, had the arabs refrained from attacking Israel over and over again, losing land, then crying about it. War has consequences and arabs are very poor at learning consequences.

2) If Israel wanted to "land grab" they would not have returned Sinai to Egypt in exchange for a worthless piece of paper called "peace", nor would have given Gaza to palestinians in hopes that they show leadership, start helping their people instaed of firing rockets.

If arabs and palestinians wanted peace, they could have made peace and you would not have been talking about "land grab". Your "land grab" theory does not make sense.

In a war ground can be gained or lost.

As soon as Palestinians stop waging this war, they will stop loosing ground, they might even get back some of what they lost.

I never said that all Palestinians sympathize with Hamas.

However, Palestinians elected Hamas to represent them and make decisions on their behalf.

It's unfortunate that Palestinians can not simply vote Hamas out, but the best thing they can do right now is rise up against Hamas and replace them. That is the way Palestinians can have peace.

Well Eli100, the Palestinians in the west bank have no been waging any war, the area has been quiet for years, and they're constantly seeing settlements grow.

What's the excuse now ?

Michael,

There are rocket attacks almost every single day against Israelis. Your argument is null and void when you state that the palestinian filth have been quite. They are never quite, but always busy waging their little islamic war for their child molesting prophet, i.e. killing innocents, rape, and etc.

Granted, the rockets are flying from Gaza not West Bank.

However, until there is a negotiation for proper borders, West Bank is technically at war with Israel, and the PA in the West Bank still refuses to negotiate, which suggests that either they prefer being at war and will attack as soon as they get a chance, or (far more likely) they don't really have a proper control of West Bank, which means that Israel still has to treat West Bank as a territory of potential Hamas activity.

As soon as PA is strong enough and willing enough to stand up to Hamas, they can negotiate proper borders with Israel, and settlers will be put on short leash.

Eli,

Peace has never worked, and most likely will not in the future either. These are two sworn enemies who will fight until one is wiped out. The conflict will never end, but only get stronger and more bitter. Im hoping Israel wins this battle, but stays ready for the next, because the terrorist attacks will not cease. History will repeat itself, and as usual.

Eli100: The West Bank PA is totally for negotiations, all they asked is that settlement building stops during the negotiations, so that they don't keep losing land but Israel is refusing ,and the whole world has recognized that the current Israeli government has absolutely no desire to make peace. It took heavy arm twisting to get Netanyahu to even utter the words "two states".

Quite?

Eli...Please do explain how Israel's refusal to stop the expansion of those settlements doesn't instigate trouble. If you decided to pay off a few politicians in my town so your land developers could take my home by eminent domain, I'd be the first to make sure you didn't. You don't just grab land wherever you feel like it, war or not. Did we grab up the land we fought over in Iraq? You bet not. We all know the real problem in Israel is population growth that is causing massive housing problems to support that growth now and into the future. Do you deny that the borders of Israel have grown since 1946?

Why don't you just admit that Israel loves their part in the occupation of Gaza? Did the Israelis intend to only rent Gaza to the Palestinians, knowing all along all trade routes to Gaza would be cut off and in Israel's control? If the shoe was on the other foot, you can bet Israelis would not be happy with Palestinian occupation. How about a little less pro-Israel bias and a whole lot more common sense?

At this point, Americans are fed up with the entire problems in the Middle East. As world leaders, the US has no choice but to allow these factions in the Middle East to kill each other is that is their only purpose for existence.

I'm sorry but in my view, both Palestinians and Israel are the problem and they refuse to be the solution. So why should American taxpayers bear the brunt of such instigation and obstinacy?

Lenny12, it seems that in reading these posts the you don't handle having someone disagree with you very well. There are lots of post that share your view and do a much better job of articulating their point.

michael. there is no reasoning with eli, farideh and uswillwin. you are wasting your time as i am wasting my time. they are blindfolded. narrow visioned and so bias that it is affecting their sense of right and wrong. perhaps eli less than the other two. you point is right on about the west bank which has not fired a bullet into isreal, but their land has been shrinking more and more.

Ewet and Ramesh,

I am all for a reasonable argument, but when someone is bombarding me with insults, I feel every right to answer in a similar manner.

When you ask a question, I am happy to answer:

"Did we grab up the land we fought over in Iraq?" No, since it would be difficult without common borders, but we did very much grab land when we fought Mexico, feel free to check the books.

"Do you deny that the borders of Israel have grown since 1946?" No, I don't deny that. Until 1948 it was from purchasing land, since then from gaining ground in defensive wars. Israel can thank their neighbors for repeatedly starting pointless wars against them and then loosing those.

"Why don't you just admit that Israel loves their part in the occupation of Gaza?" Because that claim is bs. Gaza is not occupied, in fact, it's completely judenfree per Hamas request.

"Did the Israelis intend to only rent Gaza to the Palestinians, knowing all along all trade routes to Gaza would be cut off and in Israel's control?" No they hoped Gaza will become an independent state and part of being independent state is not giving a dam if another state (especially a state you consider your enemy) closes their border with you. Israel is not the only country that borders Gaza. Gaza should not be completely dependent on Israel. If all the time and effort that went into attacking Israel was invested into improving conditions in Gaza, it would be a paradise by now.

"How about a little less pro-Israel bias and a whole lot more common sense?" I can return that question to you: How about less pro-Hamas bias and more common sense?

"So why should American taxpayers bear the brunt of such instigation and obstinacy?"

Well, US supports Israel for the following reasons:

1) Any technology given to Israel gets an upgrade which is then shared with US.

2) Israel is the only country in the region that is always happy to share their intelligence and military training with US.

3) It's a condition that any money given to Israel is spent in US, which creates jobs here.

Now, why US gives money to Palestinians, Egypt and other Islamic states, I have no idea.

I actually don't mind if US just cuts off the aid to everyone, I believe that would seriously boost the odds in Israel's favor. Just don't expect it to bring peace. Don't expect it to reduce the number of casualties among Palestinians either.

ELI .. I thing you are being bias. the aid that egypt gets from u.s is also in from of millitary aid . in regard to isreal, I think that a lot of money is spent to buy politician here in u.s. look at aipac. media, banks. and so on and so forth. they kind of control every thing. I think they buy politician here, so they can have their way in u.s. that is a well spent money, but doesn't create job.

"they kind of control every thing" - that would be the most antisemitc and most idiotic claim that lies at the basis of all the anti-Israeli propaganda.

Is AIPAC the only club of rich guys in USA? Is there no Arab lobby? Is each and every banker in the world Jewish? Is it each and every politician? Is there no pro-Arab media?

If politicians are all oh-so-corrupt, Israel could never buy them all, there is plenty of rich Arab states and organizations, who should be able to make higher offer.

Yes, there is plenty of Jewish and pro-Israeli businesses, politicians and reporters. There is also plenty of anti-Israeli ones. Business, politics and media are all games with their own rules, that can be won or lost. If your side keep loosing, all it means is that they should learn to play better.

As for military aid, I'll have to repeat once again, all aid that goes to Israel gets used to buy weapons from American manufacturers, so those manufacturers could create jobs and pay taxes to USA.

Now, where does Egypt spend their aid? Does any of it get spent in USA?

Once a terrorist group, always a terrorist group

That's true. Now go look up what groups were at the origin of the Israeli Defense Forces and how they were operating...

Israeli defense forces did not send children starpped with bombs into civilian pizza shops.

No, the IDF just drop bombs on little children.

No IDF doesn't drop bombs, it specficially targets terrorists. It is Hamas and the other terrorist groups that "drop bombs" or in this case shoot rockets into populated areas hoping they can murder as many people as possible. Israel apologizes when civilians are killed. Palestinians dance in the streets and give out candies to children. they did the same thing on September 11, 2001 when Americans were killed in the US. Get your facts straight

Correction, IDF drops bombs on the terrorists who fire rockets while standing next to little children.

I am sure you would love to simply forbid the thoughts of anyone who disagrees with you, but it doesn't work this way.

I have just as much right to share my thoughts as you do, it' called "freedom of speech".

Michael al-NAMBLA, your group isn't recognized.

Eli,

Lenny is just upset that he does not have a single logical argument, and so he goes on to try and kick you off the comments. Typical aging hippy d-bag (like in South Park). Everything will be ok Lenny, just go back to your bong, take a hit and relax.

Well, the IDF bombed the UN camp at Canaa, the UN experts found out it was deliberate and the excuse that Hezbollah fighters were somewhere nearby didn't hold because they knew that Israel's artillery was way too precise to miss by so much.
Then there's Sabra & Chatila in Lebanon, where the IDF blocked all exits of the Palestinian camps (which had been cleared of fighters days before), and let in a Christian militia to massacre everyone, women and children.

So stop this nonsense about the IDF non targeting civilians, there's tons of example to the contrary.

Haha, Michael had to bring up incidents that happened over two decades ago to justify his support for terrorist islamic filth. If you love those scum so much, then you should go ahead and convert to that dirty religion (if you can even call it that..more like a cult).

USwillWin: Calling an entire population filth and scum says a lot more about you than about them. You're a shame to the US and what its constitution stands for. Go back to your cave.

Sure, most Muslims are not scum, but just people.

However, Hamas and Hezbollah are scum, and those who support them are either scum or extremely stupid.

I am always truly shocked my people like Michael. I don't pretend Israel is perfect but to aggressively support the terrorists that have attacked that nation is confusing to me. Do you really think they are justified in terrorism and why? Please don't use the Israel is a terrorist nation B.S. Directly, why do you support self proclaimed terrorists groups that have stated that they want no peace and the only viable end game is the destruction of Israel.

nawtark : Where have you seen me support Hamas ?

What I've been saying from the get-go is that both are terrorists.

Hamas by raining rockets on civilians.

Israel by destroying the lives and future of millions of Palestinians with its settlements

Michael-

By hammering at Israel and making conciliatory comments for the Palestinians, you are implicitly (and could be argued explicitly) supporting the Palestinian side of the conflict. You stated:

The West Bank PA is totally for negotiations, all they asked is that settlement building stops during the negotiations, so that they don't keep losing land but Israel is refusing ,and the whole world has recognized that the current Israeli government has absolutely no desire to make peace.

Is this the same Palestinian Authority that was headed by Yassir Arafat? The man who said:

“We plan to eliminate the state of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian state. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion. . . . We Palestinians will take over everything, including all of Jerusalem.”

and:

“Peace for us means the destruction of Israel. We are preparing for an all-out war, a war which will last for generations.”

This is the group that rejected a Palestinian state in 73% of the West Bank and all of the Gaza Strip in 2000 that would eventually lead to extend to 90% over a ten- to twenty-five-year period. Also included in the offer was the return of a small number of refugees and compensation for those not allowed to return. Palestinians would also have "custodianship" over the Temple Mount, sovereignty on all Islamic and Christian holy sites, and 3/4 of Jerusalem's Old Quarters. This of course was rejected by the Palestinian Authority. I'd say the Palestinian people have worse enemies than Israel representing them.

I never said you supported Hamas. I said you supported terrorists and judging by the attitudes of those you have explicitly defended while accusing Israel of not wanting peace, I would stand by my initial question.

nawtark: The Palestinians in the West Bank are not terrorists. the PA as it is today are not terrorists.

So I fail to see your point. Yes Yassar Arafat used to head the PA.

Guess what, many of Israel's original Prime Ministers were terrorists as well, should we all stop communicating with Israel's government because of its past members ?

As for the rejected plan in 2000, the map of that plan was leaked and it was a totally fragmented territory that was not viable, Arafat was right to reject it regardless of his intentions.

And yes, I support the Palestinian side in this conflict, I happen to think that destroying forever the aspirations of an entire population through settlements building is way worse than killing a few persons a year with rockets that land in the desert most of the time. Both are terrorists acts, but one has much more damaging effect in the long term than the other.

Michael....

Yassar Arafat led the PLO.

Everything else you said was spot on.

Highly Opionated-

He led both.

Michael-

You cannot be intellectually honest and dismiss Arafat's leadership up to 2004 and rely on examples of Israeli aggression from 30 years ago . Forgive me if I don't really see 8 years ago as that far removed.

As to "destroying forever the aspirations of an entire population through settlements building" I would say that the Palestinian leadership has done a far better job of accomplishing this for their people. If they were to seriously embark on resolving this issue do you not think that the bulk of the international community, including the United States, would not put immense pressure on Israel to comply?

Supporting the Palestinians is your prerogative. I have pretty clearly in other posts stated I don't always agree with the Israelis but sympathize with them being surrounded by states that would love to destroy them at any moment. You have said that you are simply stating both are terrorists, though, and that is both dishonest and misleading. Your intention was to degrade the image of one side to heighten the image of another. In the end, though, if you truly believe both sides are terrorists, then you still support terrorists. I see Israel as taking an aggressive defensive posture and cannot blame them for doing so.

uswillwin. perhaps you should change your name to isrealshouldlose. in response to " If you love those scum so much, then you should go ahead and convert to that dirty religion (if you can even call it that..more like a cult).: If isreal think hamas is terrorist, why did they create them? oh wait. I know. they wanted to devide the palestinian and counter arafat and plo. It is amazing that you isreali lovers close your eyes on reality. isreal is a bad seed, and eventually will cause world wide distruction. I watched a video of late shah of iran and he was asked his opinion about isreal. his answere was"the isreali's are moving too many people around and it is disturbing". it is still the same and it will come to hunt them one of these days.

to the 2nd part of your argument. about islam . I don't know if you are a jew or christian, but zorastiran "persian religion"is the mother of all religion as we know it today. the jews didn't even believe in god and satan, heaven and hell and the idea of judgement day. these are all persian heritage. you can look it up . even jesus is not who you think he is. jesus and christianity is nothing more than what used to be "mithra and mithraism". that existed 3000 years ago, and that is a sect of zorastrianism. so after all ,what you practice as so called civilized religion, you owe it to persian.

"If isreal think hamas is terrorist, why did they create them?"

At that time Hamas was a group of people trying to free themselves from the rule of terrorist Fatah. Israelis thought once these guys take the power they will be open to negotiations, but they were in for a disappointment.

"isreal is a bad seed, and eventually will cause world wide distruction." - now here is an interesting statement. Thank you for at least admitting that it's not about borders or policies, you just don't want Israel to exist at all.

However, you will have to accept that countries don't disappear at your request, when you try to destroy a country, they fight back by any means necessary and they become ready to kill for survival.

farideh... "Israeli defense forces did not send children starpped with bombs into civilian pizza shops"

isrelai's don't need to use children . children can't fly f16 armed with cluster bombs.

eli.. I didn't say isreal will disapear, I said it will cause distruction around the world. and that is due to their policy and their doctorin. have nothing against jews. but their government wants to have control over the whole world. as we witnessed in u.s election how netanyahoo was trying to influence the election via proxies like sheldon adleson. and other influentian figures in u.s. why don't I here you criticize your government once. they never do anything wrong?

Netanyahoo was not the only leader in the world to favor a candidate, there was plenty of other (most of which favored Obama, by the way). Expressing your opinion is hardly a move for world domination.

"why don't I here you criticize your government once. they never do anything wrong?" - you might not know that my government is the government of USA. Is that whom you want me to criticize? That would be kind of off topic, wouldn't it?

If it's Israel you are talking about, sure, I could find plenty to criticize their government for, but on this vine, I simply can not afford to do that, because your accusations against them are so far-fetched and outrageous, I have to put all effort into countering them for the sake of balance.

Even if Israelis wanted "control over the whole world", they simply could not afford to dream about it, because they are busy fighting for survival. And even if Bibi and his crew could aim that far, they wouldn't have the opportunity, see as in a democratic society a leader can not last more than 8 years.

You know, there was a good chance that Bibi would loose this election, but now the Hamas rockets have made his campaign, he is definitely not going anywhere this year. IN 4 years, however, he is going to step down either way. He is a conservative, but he is still a democratic leader, whose ambitions have to stay within limits of democracy.

Can you say the same about Khomeini?

They deserve to meet a meat grinder feet first if you ask me. The best kind of islamist scum is a dead one.

USwillWin. be careful there are black helicopters hovering over your trailer right now. Hide under your white sheet OK

All gods are false.

The blind hatred in some of these comments certainly demonstrates humanity's dark side, especially the need to make your enemy some kind of sub-human monster. If your forced to think of them as people with similar desires for such things as peace, security, and a place to live, then those easy solutions like "kill em all" or "nuke em" or even believing that the issues in the Middle East could be "all one sides fault", sound like the rantings of a fool, who is ultimately every bit as bad as the worst of those he hates.

I don't know if anyone's noticed but the virus carrier mohammed (patient zero) and allah seem to be sitting this one out too. Too busy with the 7 year old virgins?

@ Seven,

I though it was supposed to be 72 year old virgins??

Sponge, Bob.........Good one! I have always asked myself...."Just what did the virgins do to deserve this punishment?"

beaumontdave. this is one of the best and insightful comment here. thank you. I agree with you that these hateful people are nothing more than what they hate, if not less.

Gaza needs to build schools, infrastructure, hospitals, develop their agriculture, advance their science, and in short, help their people. They don't need to spend their resources on rockets, missiles, air force and navy. Gaza will be succesful when their leadership stop hiding in Syria and Sudan and start thinking about their civilians.

The end of the blockcade by the Aparthied State of Israel would be nice. It appears that Israel learned alot from their former allies in Southern Africa.

Stop the rockets, the mortars, the killigs, and the kidnappings, the suicide bombings, and the blowing up of buses and then maybe we can start to talk. If they only went after military targets it would be one thing, but no one in Gaza will be allowed to feel safe so long as the civilians in Israel continue to be under assault

MCR - Why is there a blockade? do you know? or have selective memory?

Farideh,

It is not selective memory, but copious amounts of weed that MCR smokes which blocks the truth. He/she can remember, but only to about 5 minutes in the past.

I beg your pardon, RonMD, but Palestinians have weapons smuggled in through tunnels and moats. They get help from other terrorists. Research the brand of their rockets.

farideh.. how the hell are they gonna build school and hospital and their infrastructure when they are cut off from the rest of the world with no hope. we see how the west bank is being peacefull and not shooting one bullet into isreal , but their land keep shrinking more and more. what did "peaceful " brought the west bank people that could be a good example for tha gazan. none

So, we still pretend Egypt does not exist, right?

Hamas is pretty much an army, they do have artillery, with which they insist on attacking.

It's not murder when the supposed victim is in fact the attacker.

sorry it is when they are 3 or 4 or 5 years old, and if it was my kid or my brother or sister I would spend the rest of my life trying to kill the people who did it. I would say Wounded Knee was murder too. You have a right to defend yourself without a doubt, but you are making terrrorrists faster than you are killing them. I guess you could kill them all, but I don't think a people who were nearly exterminated want to be on the other side. There is no end and I just don't want to pay for it is all. I am sorry for all of you, I can't demonize little kids on either side in order justify the next response and that is all we are doing. You killed innocent civilians so now somehow it is ok if I kill innocent civilians. No

There is no question Wounded Knee was murder. The braves and warriors, men, were away. What was left at camp were women and children. And the U.S. military shot them down like dogs.

This is not a war...this IS murder! What begets me is how people can really take articles liek this to heart. Our media (US media) will never report anything that tarnishes israels image...not that it needs help in being tarnished. It will always report as if israel is attacking teorrirst who threaten israel....yet they will never report the retaliation of palestinians in truthful light...that they are too defending themselves against terrorism. If America bombs a country, we call it democracy...when that same country does the same thing...we call it terrorism! Its propaganda, its brainwashing. Many if not most will disregard any and all information that doesnt align to their beliefs. That being said...they will justify actions merely to make themselves feel better about the situation. Example...ask a general question....Is killing children acceptable? Obvious answer is NO. Ask if palestinians rockets kill israeli children....most anwers: terrorists killing children. Ask of israelis bombs killing children...answer, they are defending themselves! Twisted to make one side justified! When we attacked Iraq....we didnt do anything except for invade a country, kill hundreds of thousands of iraqi civilians, we took down their government and murdered their leader! Do you think this is looked ad democracy to anyone except our corrputed officials who designed the wars? They may tell you for American freedom..and you agree because of false beliefs, false ideologies set forth by years of propaganda and by years of lies. If everyone is equal...why do we treat EVERYONE else as a subordinate? NO other counrty wants to destroy us or isreal...its straight out of a playbook...its a fear tactic, and its working! Narrow minded or close minded people who take evertything their government is telling them as truth..only fuel the fire! It gives them the support to coninue! Keep being sheep!

dan. I hope ther were more people like you. without bias and see it as they are. I was watching rt news and it was painful seeing those parents carrying their children and putting them in the grave. If this is what isreali's call civilize, I don't wan't any part of it. on the other hand cnn and wolf were reporting about how the isreali children couldn't go to school and they are traumatized. give me a brake cnn.

Well, if Gazans were not shooting rockets traumatizing Israeli children, they would not have to put their children into graves.

ELI..

Well, if Gazans were not shooting rockets traumatizing Israeli children, they would not have to put their children into graves.

wow. this is the most hateful and insensitive comments I have ecountered.

So, you believe that shooting rockets into residential area is a sensitive thing to do?

And it's a good idea to shoot them form your own residential area, knowing that you are drawing the return fire toward your children, right?

You don't believe that people who do that sort of thing should be hated?

How about Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy?

Don't they count?

Yes, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah, and Hezbollah are all terrorists and they all should be eliminated. The interesting thing is that they kill themselves.

Just yesterday, Hamas killed six Palestinians for collaborating with Israel or so they were accused. Who knows? They lie so much, one will never know the truth. Terrorists are influenced by the devil who was: "...a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him...he speaketh of his own: for he is a lair, and the father of it..."

Raul...what do you say about The Lavon Affairs? OR...The USS Liberty?

What you are saying is that you are incapable of searching for anwers other than what this government-lined media tells you ! israel has attacked and killed more children than...well maybe not more than we (The USA) killed in lets say Pakistan!

What israel is doing to palestine is what hilter did to the jews...its mass murder! Nut in yahoo clearly (as Sharon's son) want to eradicate the whole palestine! Sharon even came out and said it publicly!

There is ONLY one way to stop the terrorists....and since US is backing them...its wont happen! Unfortunately this is how we will start WWIII....the sad thing is that evangelicals will belief that this is the second coming..or armgeddon!

I guess its nice to be sitting up there in 'leadership" positions watching "dumb pawns" (as Henry Kissinger put it) enact your play!

raulramires.....by definition. mass murder is actually the # of civilian killed . isreral killed 150 people within 5 days including many children. hamas killed 5 isrealis. no children.. so who is the mass murderer by definition?but don't forget that hamas was created by isreal as well. so both parties muder and they are both product of isreal.

Let me put it this way:

Hamas has killed as many Israeli civilians as they manged, if they could kill more, they would kill more.

Israel killed as many Palestinian civilians as they had to, if they could stop the rockets without killing anyone, they would not have killed anyone.

Eli100: 'Then it's a good thing Israel treats all their citizens as equals.'

Beware of Propagandists....

Hi Tex,

Glad you found your way to other threads, going back to the old one to argue with you got too exhausting.

Thank you for re-posting my statement.

I still stand by it and still encourage you to google "Arab members of Knesset" and "Arab members of IDF."

Indeed, it's the fact that the group engages in suicide bombings and random shooting at residential districts that makes them terrorists.

"in war there are no innocent bystanders. Just collateral damage."

I hope you remember you said this next time you criticize Israel for "killing civilians in Gaza".

Some people have labeled Obama as a leader but that doesn't make him one...He is to busy traveling and furthering his true agenda to be bothered by what is happening in Israel.....exactly why he sent Hilary.....We are his collateral damage.

Rudy1947

It used to be that anybody that disagreed with anybody was a communist, then you were a liberal, then a muslim, now a socialist. What is a socialist. Take all the time you need

The defining ideas of Socialism involve the creation of a classless society by the Government thru the means of government takeover and control of it's society in general. The redistribution of wealth by Government is carried out by limiting the amount of ownership and control of corporations by private individuals (example: under the guidelines of Obamacare people will be forced to pay for Gov't sponsored insurance that will have extremely limited benefits with maximum payout per year of $10,000 for family and $5000 per individual....also eventually being phased into the picture will be that "all Dr's regardless of their specialty will be paid the same and Gov't reimbursements by Medicare and Medicaid to providers will be cut by 27%. Hospitals will need Gov't approval to expand and oversight of all these mandates will be overseen by a group of people appointed by the Gov't) In other words Government involvement in basically every aspect of our lives that we normally choose for ourselves. Gov't will have direct access to you bank accounts and if you do not voluntarily pay for health insurance you will be assessed a penalty which they can debit from your accounts....here again...you have no choice....any of this sounding familiar????.....Boehner now says that "Obamacare is the Law of the Land (thank you Nancy Pelosi....now we know what's in it) .....as far as health care goes I invite you to watch the video...it's all in there

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=HcBaSP31Be8&vg=medium

Such things as these are the beginnings of Socialism.....Obama's Plans are working.....creating more Gov't control and dependence of the people on the Gov't (welfare for those who choose not to work ,health care for Illegal immigrants, amnesty and financial aid for people here Illegally etc.).....Lawyers and politicians at their finest hour

Any thinking person who does not see this happening in this administration as it is Today ....Please share your fact based Rebuttals to this post.....opinions count for very little.

Time for some refreshing reminders on Who is in the White-House

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tKMiRxnRN4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJfyXhw7tMA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUZfMlQg-bg

Modern socialism originated from an 18th-century intellectual and working class political movement that criticised the effects of industrialisation and private property on society. In the early 19th-century, "socialism" referred to any concern for the social problems of capitalism irrespective of the solutions to those problems. However, by the late 19th-century, "socialism" had come to signify opposition to capitalism and advocacy for an alternative system based on some form of social ownership.^[8] Orthodox Marxists later considered scientific assessment and democratic planning to be critical elements of socialism. In the late 20th century, the term "socialist" has also been used by Third waysocial democrats to refer to an ethical political doctrine focusing on a common set of values emphasizing social cooperation, universal welfare, and equality.^[9] It is used in this way by Third Way proponent Anthony Giddens, who rejects conventional definitions and implementations of socialism.^[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

Sounds suspiciously like Romney Haters

The political party that first backed Obama when he ran for and won the Illinois Senate seat was "The New Party" which was a breakaway Democratic party formed from dissolution of the Democratic Socialists of America. After he was elected he tried to cover up the fact that he was even associated with them.....he has been spoon fed socialistic and communistic ideas for the first 31 years of his life.....now he's getting the chance to place his ideals in motion and every single person that voted for his re-election is helping him do it though I doubt many of them know anything about his background before entering politics nor do they understand that this is the crumbling of America as we knew it a few years ago. Here are some more facts to back up what I'm saying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Party_(United_States)

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/10/09/wikipedia-new-party-page-now-includes-barack-obama-name

Don't know how to be any more factual than this...as long as he sympathizes with the terrorist Muslims they know they have nothing to fear from us ....thus opening the door to continued fighting.....God Bless the USA

Oh he!! just please put the barrel against your forehead and firmly pull the trigger.

Yeah. Hitler killed himself, gave Eva Braun some poison. Mahmoud - what's his name - should do the same.

Your in the wrong comment section there buddy. This is about Israel facing off against palestinian terrorist scum. Go talk @!$%# about unions in another area.

Just a sec, dumb a$$, is that projects in the USA huh, that is crimianal isn't it, doing nation building here. Selfish country we are supposed to be nation building everywhere else but here. We have no money because we have been the worlds policeman since the end of WW2 while our infrastructure is now 25th in the world. Oh yes that is how we are going to compete. Go back to your trailer and read your how rod mag.

Myatlanta...I find it strangely amusing that people in your state feed off the federal trough more than any other liberal states. How is that not southern socialism when your state needs more and more of federal dollars just to keep the richest plantation mentalities from facing that their industries down south are old, obsolete and can't support the new hi-tech world that's passing mentalities like yours by.

President Obama isn't Jefferson Davis. Nor do we fly the Stars and Bars. Yours is one of the states petitioning for secession and all because your kind is outraged that not only was a bi-racial president elected once but a 2nd time. Sorry Gingrichian mentalities can't accept losses with graciousness.

As a leader, President Obama employes the same wisdom of Winston Churchill...he knows when to stand down from the battles others instigate and when it's time to step in and stop the children fro9m killing each other.

It would be so much simpler if your Obama bashy bois would just admit that no matter what this president has done, is doing or will Ever do, the Stars and Bars secessionist sore losers will never give him an ounce of credit.

And your kind calls that intelligence?

Ewent, I think you may have gotten some of your numbers wrong and I think if you came down here you might not see so much of that rich-plantation-mentality that you are talking about. It's actually quite nice down here.

With the sore losers you might have a point.

Right on! The psychopath leaders need to be electrocuted or hanged like Saddam Hussein. More tyrants will follow his fate. Just a matter of time. God is just. He sees wicked men in authority. It is said that the Almighty will either change their heart or remove them from power.

That way the women and children will have a chance. But in war, everything is on the table.

Those new relaxed pot laws are working out great huh wolf?

Last time Israel ran up on Hezbollah they got run home looking dumber than America looked after failing in Vietnam. I'm sure Hezbollah is thanking their lucky stars that Israel hasn't decided to beat the crap out of their fists with Israeli faces.

sorry,not interested in pothead laws.so keep that to yourself.If you disagreed with my post that is fine.I never said Israel won against Hezbollah, did I?I was'nt aware that anyone here wanted a complete historical background to go along with every post.If that is what you want i am sure you have a local library.All you are trying to do is make trouble anyway so it does'nt matter.Plus,other than what you have read in books i doubt you have ever been in either the middle east or sw asia.

you mean no support from the worlds largest arms dealer?if they have the money we got the guns...lol

We are not talking about Zionism. We are referring to persecution. There is a big difference.