Evolution is a slow and messy process. With a population of 7 billion and growing, that’s a lot of individuals in this world that would need a healthy, secure and educated environment within which to blossom. It’s going to be difficult to provide! Until most all people's values are conducive to an unselfish nonthreatening behavior, it’s going to be a rocky road.

rockin moroccan

the un should stfu, it is they and their zionist masters

Stop reading the protocols of the elders of Zion.

No.

It is more bad news for Jews of Israel and Christians in Egypt with MB's front cover Morsi assuming sweeping powers.

Egypt's Morsi, Turkey's Erdogan and some more are taking Sunni Islamic world fast backwards to seventh century haters and killers days.

KEEP AWAY FROM SYRIA AND IRAN AND LET THEM HANDLE THEIR SHIITES vs SUNNI BATTLES.

So what is really happening hear. Morsi looks like the "savior" in the ME. brokering a cease fire between his beloved Hamas(The Muslim Brotherhood created Hamas) and Israel (the Muslim Brotherhood refuses to recognize Israels right to exist). B doing so he is the "hero" on the world stage, and he has devalued Israel to the same level as Hamas. A legitimate country and a terrorist organization on equal ground?

The next day he declares himself of imminent power and takes away much of the small amount of democracy that existed in Egypt.

The Muslim Brotherhood, with Morsi as a legitimate President of a legitimate country, wants to create it's caliphate and only the US and Israel stand in the way.

*Sarcasm Sign* Didn't see this one coming. I mean, "The Muslim Brotherhood" ????? That's the name of faction running the country and you didn't see a dictatorship coming? pffft...please, I think most people saw this coming.

Byron

Actually the Brotherhood created Hamas, but Israel initially supported the growth of Hamas when it was viewed as a better alternative to the then more radical PLO/Fatah. When Hamas realized that to win the streets of the Palestinians, they needed to turn to violence, they did and Israel ended support. Hamas and Fatah have been at odds with each other for decades. Fatah has now emerged as the much better partner as demonstrated in the West Bank.

The irony of this recent Hamas/Israel dispute is that Abbas is the loser, his power base is severely eroded, yet he has been the best negotiator for the Palestinians. Visit Ramallah and visit Gaza City and tell me which is better off.

"The more things change, the more they stay the same".

Partly true, but the struggle for enlightenment has always come at the cost of fighting for it against the tyrrany of oppression. I am satisfied with the results of the US constitution, the Bill of Rights, with the inclusion of the 13th ammendment, and feel no need to revolt.

In the US there is still suppression, racism, bigotry, discrimination, etc...But in the end, these negative qualities of human nature are illegal and can and will be prosecuted. The constitution is not immutable, and the founding fathers are criticized for their duplicity, yet praised for the foresight and insight for composing the founding documents. These laws truely treat the individual as having importance. The rules are not immutable and can be changed if necessary.

If this is what the secularists of Egypt are fighting for, then I understand them. Secularism is a fragile thing yet far superior to a theocracy. A secularist does not have the delusion based emotional imperative to suppress unbelievers.

Wouldn't it be nice if religion stayed out of politics,,, EVERYWHERE.

wow there seems to be alot of people who knows the political workings of other countries. its really no different than ours, corrupt and how can i prosper and control the people oh i'll give them money and freebies

Wouldn't it be nice if politics stayed out of religion,,,EVERYWHERE.

These people just take turns trying to stir S%$T up so the media can fill up their hotels and both sides will be given money and weapons and, of course "aid", and they will be on TV. It's just so freaking obvious anymore. It's the best choice for their wallets and economy. Fighting is just like Disney World for them, who cares if people die. Hell, they PARTY with the dead bodies dragging them around in public. It's really sickening.

While riots in the streets is rarely a good thing, in this case they might be. It's encouraging that even in a 'religious' country like Egypt, a substantial segment of the population has had enough of the theocrats trying to impose their beliefs on all and are willing to fight for it when the ballot box fails. Here's hoping it turns out well for them.

So all the world tells Morsi he is the big cheese, so what is his next step, to become one. I'm sure the US had a hand in this. "You get Hamas to back off and we'll make you king." Now he will be easier to control. No bucks no Buck Rogers. The Israelis are probably laughing their a$$es off right now, this works for them too.

As soon as civilized intelligent people realize that islam is a virus the better we will be able to deal with it. All a virus does is spread without logic, reason or agenda leaving nothing but death, destruction, and despair in its wake. It creates nothing for the betterment of civilized society except twisted tormented evil thoughts within the brains of those infected. islam destroys people, the ability to think freely, historic art pieces and any hope of human kindness, happiness or education. Science has never cured a virus nor will it cure islam. The only thing we can do is isolate the virus carriers from the non-infected. Pretty soon the virus carriers will start to kill each other. No carriers ...no virus. Witness what is happening in countries where the non-infected have vacated. The virus carriers are killing each other.

Ask yourself this question. Where are the virus carriers unhappy? Gaza, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Somalia

Where are the virus carriers happy? USA, France, England, Europe, Australia to name a few.

And what do the virus carriers want to do in the countries where they are happy? They do not want to assimilate into the cultures where they live, they want to change their new homelands into the countries from whence they came. Sound logical? A virus is not logical..........nor is islam. Time to wake up people and smell the stench caused by the decay this virus known as islam leaves in its wake.

Here is the next step

Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu agreed to a ceasefire for halting the eight-day Gaza operation Wednesday night, Nov. 21, after President Barack Obama personally pledged to start deploying US troops in Egyptian Sinai next week. He said President Morsi had consented to the incoming troops going into immediate action against the Iranian smuggling networks. This means that the Gaza blockade is extended and the focus of combat moves from Gaza to Sinai.

These fools voted him in, so now they have him. An islamic theocracy is never going to be removed from power by a vote, even though a vote put them in power. These idiots deserve him. Too bad.

John Wayne: 'Life's hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.'

Is there anyone in the western world who didn't see this coming a mile away?

It just goes to show that, "Power corrupts absolutely." Just come to Wisconsin and see what Wacko Walker is trying to do. Now he wants to prevent same day registrations to vote. I guess the business community is still pulling his strings as he isn't giving them enough of the budget money cut from education to feed their "GREED!" He's already misplaced 100's of thousands of dollars he's given away and lost who it was given to!

Well the Egyptian "Arab Spring" sure didn't work out as President Obamney and Billary planned. A new Islamic Dictator and Sharia Law in what was once our strongest "Partner" for Peace in the Arab World!

Now they want to export "Their" kind of Peace to Syria? I mean spreading Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood has worked SOooo well for Egypt and Libya, hasn't it?

Wake up folks these UN Globalists & Wall Street Oligarchs are not about Freedom & Peace they are about World Domination & Slavery by using our Troops & Treasure to destroy US and our Allies!

“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.” ~George Orwell, 1984

Wouldn't it be nice if politics stayed out of religion,,,EVERYWHERE.-quote 2.12

Pat-297145

These people just take turns trying to stir S%$T up so the media can fill up their hotels and both sides will be given money and weapons and, of course "aid", and they will be on TV. It's just so freaking obvious anymore.

holy cow Pat, I never even thought of this...it does seem obvious...it took me 2.5 seconds to figure that out once I was opened to it by your post...

what a scam

Can't you understand the obvious, democracy doesn't work, never did? They got what they voted for and as usual, it was not good.

Our constitution is the only thing that has kept us from crumbling and liberals try to weaken it.

The egyptians aren't stupid! If anything, (like every other group in the ME, except Israel [Israel being essentially a transplanted European nation]), they are inexperienced in the ways of democracy, and self government. When we wrote our Constitution, and formed our country, we were following (and extending) a 700 year old, evolving tradition! That tradition started with the "Magna Carta", and ended with the FAILED "Articles of Confederation". (And, 1000 years later, WE still have hot heads, who demand to win at any cost, or they want to take their bat and ball, AND SECEDE FROM THE UNION!!!)

We didn't have some foreign army invade and try to set up a foreign form of gvt (think Iraq and Afghanistan). And, the process didn't start with the Revolution! We built on our long traditions. The nations in the Middle East are just starting to build their traditions. Their experience will almost certainly NOT BE LIKE OURS! We make many "articles of faith" assumptions (without realizing it) here. It may be that in some places democracy may, or may not, involve a state religion, (there was, after all a state religion in the birthplace of democracy, in GREECE!)

So, don't be pointing fingers at some nation trying to start their own democratic traditions, even if they look strange to you. Some of you remind me of a "know it all" 19 year old (with tons of growing up to do, himself) making fun of a baby, trying to feed himself!

I just hope we keep our noses, and our "perfect" opinions out of it!

The US needs to keep it's intelligence operatives in touch in the ME to keep track of the continual shifts that occur. When you think of Egypt, going from a secular military pro West dictatorship to a "Democracy" run by the Muslim Brotherhood, it's obvious we can't predict the future there. The young, facebook liberals who caused the change did not envision this outcome. And no one really knows which way Morsi will go.

Also, remember how shocked we were when Hamas won Gaza.

Our intelligence in the ME has been inaccurate many times, as have been the Israelis. It shows you how little we truly understand about Islam.

Morsi has just declared himself above the legal system in Egypt. He is showing his true stripes, that he has no interest in democracy, only in holding power on behalf of his beloved Muslim Brotherhood. The MB has no interest in a free, open, secular society in Egypt or anywhere else for that matter. They want an Islamist state where people either follow their brand of Islam or they are subject to persecution, if not outright extermination by the MB. The people of Egypt are now seeing the true intentions of those they were dumb enough to elect to lead them. Just wait until they see the new constitution the Islamists are writing for them. Then they will really see what they are in for.

“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.” ~ George Orwell

big ed-1492169 I mostly I would have to agree with your statements in "Principle & Sentiment" but I would then have to ask you "When" was the last time Our Constitution and Bill of Rights protected US from the Federal / State or Local Government and or their Wall Street Masters from doing ANYTHING they wanted to US?

1st Amendment....Protects the freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of the press, as well as the right to assemble and petition the government....Gone.

2nd Amendment.... Protects an individual's right to bear arms....On the Ropes almost....Gone.

3rd Amendment.... Prohibits the forced quartering of soldiers during peacetime....Gone.

4th Amendment....Prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures and sets out requirements for search warrants based on probable cause....Gone.

5th Amendment.....Sets out rules for indictment by grand jury and eminent domain, protects the right to due process, and prohibits self-incrimination and double jeopardy .... Gone.

6th Amendment.....Protects the right to a fair and speedy public trial by jury, including the rights to be notified of the accusations, to confront the accuser, to obtain witnesses and to retain counsel .... Gone.

7th Amendment.....Provides for the right to trial by jury in certain civil cases, according to common law.... Gone.

8th Amendment.....Prohibits excessive fines and excessive bail, as well as cruel and unusual punishment.... Gone.

9th Amendment..... Protects rights not enumerated in the constitution..... Gone.

10th Amendment..... Limits the powers of the federal government to those delegated to it by the Constitution .... Gone.

Etc...etc...etc...Forever and ever....Gone! Don't believe list one "Right" and I can show you countless examples of a Constitutional "Right" being violated in America!

What we now have is a corporate "Corporate Plutocracy" with a False Veneer of a "Democratic Republic" where there is now Legal Torture, Secret Prisons, Presidential Kill Lists, & Indefinite Detention of Americans Without Trial.

The difference between the Egyptian People and Americans is.....The Egyptians are doing something about their Corrupt Governmental Leaders and "We The People" are not!

Instead we Americans just set around "Naively Spewing Nonsense" about how "Free" we are.....

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

90% of Egypt is muslim. Was there any doubt that a muslim organization would win the election?

belboz-7111842 - Hopefully Morsi doesn't give Obama any ideas......

Where do you think he (Morsi) got his ideas from. President Obama's since 2009: Expanded Presidential Powers, Monitoring and Censorship of All US Communications, "Anyone stating a Radical Change to (US) Government is a Homegrown Domestic Terrorist" definition straight out of the previously Defeated as Unconstitutional US Senate S.1959 and House of Representatives H.R. 1955 aka the George Orwell 1984 Thought Crimes Laws, Preemptive Detentions of US Citizens, US Military Use of Deadly Force Against US Citizens, US Military Tribunals (renamed to US Military Commissions by the Obama Adminstration, no Rights, Legal Defense no access to evidence nor witnesses), etc..

Naomi Wolf: 'Obama can lock any US citizen up without trial'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLSeD19m3UE

Obama Signs NDAA, ACLU Disgusted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IeuE16LLDY&feature=fvst

As usual promise the uneducated masses free sh!t (Obamaphones, Free Health Care, etc.) until people figure out the truth:

Morsi also said Friday that his government would pay $5,000 to the families of those who died in the protests to oust Mubarak and $3,333 to those who were injured.

So the sound good feel good propaganda (above) with the Fact being it was their Egyptian Citizen's Money (not the Morsi Government's) to begin with.

Or of course what US Citizens MUST be outraged about US Citizen's Money given away by President Obama to other "Potentially Hostile" Nation's Citizens*.

*Potentially Hostile Nation's Citizens, is the polite way of saying that we have not identified all the Citizens of that Nation as Hostile Combatants yet. Like the Fundamentalist Islamic Hamas Foreign Fighters killing US and US Allies Worldwide, and stopped by paying the US Ally Israel to interdict them before they leave Palestine and Gaza going to Afghanistan, Southern Turkey, Jordan, South America, Africa, Iraq, Europe, etc. to kill US And US Allies.

All of you must really feel uneducated by now. President Obama regardless of warnings from the UN Aid Workers at Palestine, Gaza warned President Obama NOT to give anything to Palestine nor Gaza, as usual President Obama does not listen to anyone, so he gave them $900 Million (2009). This $900 Million was immediately seized by armed force by the Fundamentalist Islamic Hamas Warlords, all "Material Assistance" (Food, Medical Supplies, etc.) were also seized and hoarded on the Fundamentalist Islamic Hamas Warlords Guarded Compounds and used to "persuade" more neutral Palestianians (and Gazans) to either Join Hamas or face daily beating (death if you are labelled a suspected traitor, spy) and starvation. The $900 Million was immediately used by the Hamas Warlords to buy more weapons, ammunition, bomb making materials, rockets, etc..

To prove their Loyalty to the Fundamentalist Islamic Hamas Warlords, they are trained then exported Worldwide as Fundamentalist Islamic Hamas Foreign Fighters "Holy Warriors of Islam" to conduct the 109 Suras of the 114 Suras of the Holy Koran's Calls to All Islamic Believers to War Against the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers; in return for the Fundamentalist Islamic Hamas Warlords getting some of the money of the Trillions USDs per year of Mandatory Islamic Tithes, and increased support from the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran.

To make the matter even worse, SOS Clinton gave them $400 Million (2009) after President Obama's $900 Million was seized by the Hamas Warlords. And later pleads ignorance afterwards (SOS Clinton "Did not know the Hamas would seize the US Aid").

A few months after the above, hundreds to thousands of Fundamentalist Islamic Hamas Foreign Fighters started showing up at Afghanistan to kill UN, NATO, US Mission Personnel. Those that were captured at Afghanistan verified the above and that the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran's Special Forces, Quds, was training, arming, funding millions of "Holy Warriors of Islam" each year at the Fundamentalist Islamic Autonomous Kurdistanis Region of Northern Iraq, Southern Turkey, Eastern Syria, and Northwestern Iran.

phantom-396954 - Wouldn't it be nice if politics stayed out of religion,,,EVERYWHERE.

For Fundamentalist Islamic Believers, Islam is ALL: All Politics, All Religion, All Laws, All Culture, All Beliefs, All Ways of Life, All History, etc. that supersede the politics, religions, laws, cultures, beliefs, ways of life, history, etc. of other nations.

Your limiting "western" term of "religion" does NOT pertain to the Islam Belief (unless your own laws protect them to defeat you). Also to be completely subjugated is to be a Muslim (Fundamentalist Islamic Believer), this is why when you insult "Islam" or "Muslims", each Muslim takes it personally, unlike the collective "Christians" or other "religions". The majority of the over 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers Worldwide are Fundamentalist Islamic Believers (Muslims).

One of the main differences between Fundamentalist Islam and Moderate Islam is that the Fundamentalist Islamic Believers interpret the Holy Koran only as Fundamentalist and As Law. This is why Fundamentalist Islamic Believers believe in the 109 Suras of the 114 Suras of the Holy Koran's Calls to War Against the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers (including everyone else that is not Fundamentalist Islam: (lesser Muslims, non Fundamentalist Islam), Atheists, Buddhists, Taoists, Agnostitcs, etc.).

Terry-753375 - These fools voted him in, so now they have him. An islamic theocracy is never going to be removed from power by a vote, even though a vote put them in power. These idiots deserve him. Too bad.

Just like what happened at Palestine. Hamas went in by Armed Force and kicked out the Palestinian Authority to the West Bank. So the US demands "Elections" (LOL). Of course the people (Hamas Warlords) with the guns are going to get Voted for.

In 2009 shortly after all of you believed that you won something with President Obama, I warned all of you about his (Foreign) Policies, especially his (Foreign) Policy pertaining to the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran; as seen by the Ayatollahs of Iran as the US negotiating from a position of US Defeat.

With the RESULT of President Obama's Foreign Policies being the Ayatollahs of Iran increasing Iran's Overt and Covert Activities against the US and US Allies Worldwide, starting with increasing pressure against the US Ally Islamic Shia Government of Iraq to kick the US and US Allies out of Iraq (no more negotiations with President Obama nor SOS Clinton for the US and US Allies to remain at Iraq). Strategically, this would allow the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran to concentrate on their other Borders instead of being stuck between two US And US Allies Military Forces at Iraq and Afghanistan. And to achieve a Strategic Longterm Goal of their Allies, the Chinese and Russian Federation, to get the US and US Allies out of their Backyards (Resources) with the Chinese and Russian Federation getting the Iraqis Oil that could have paid for the US And US Allies Liberation of Iraq with Decades to Centuries of Iraqis Oil. This made the Libyan Oil of Strategic Importance to the US European Allies.

Also this stopped the potential for the US and US Allies to stop the then Covert Training, Arming, Funding of the millions of the "Holy Warriors of Islam" by the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran's Special Forces, Quds, at the Fundamentalist Islamic Autonomous Kurdistanis Region. These millions of "Holy Warriors of Islam" trained, armed, funded to Overthrow the US Allies Worldwide and conduct the 109 Suras of the 114 Suras of the Holy Koran's Calls to All Islamic Believers to War Against the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers; the Quds graduates being the Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood, Fundamentalist Islamic Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada International Franchises, Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban, Fundamentalist Islamic Hamas Foreign Fighters, Fundamentalist Islamic Army of Islam Gaza, Fundamentalist Islamic Pakistanis Taliban, Fundamentalist Islamic Al Sheebah, Fundamentalist Islamic Kurdistanis (PKK, HPG, KGK), Fundamentalist Islamic Chechen Foreign Fighters, longer list of etc..

The Israelis attempt to stop the above (Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists) from reaching Egypt, Palestine, etc. with their Blockades of the "Peace Flotillas" (filled with the Holy Warriors of Islam) coming by ships from near the Fundamentalist Islamic Autonomous Kurdistanis Region, mostly flagged from Turkey.

US Ally Egypt is (now was) key to attack US Ally Libya (also logistics support to attack US Ally Israel). US Ally Libya is key to attack the rest of Africa.

Yep, all of you President Obama supporters won something. Long list of the other US and US Allies Permanent Losses Worldwide, as required to maintain the current and future US Standard of Living. These losses are what we were attempting to stop since the US Military Training Teams attached to the CIA's SAD/SOG sent to US Ally Iraq during the Iran Iraq Wars, rotated to Operation Cyclone and most subsequent actions that resulted in the previously thousands of us being only Redacted % left of a Redacted dozens; basically, all our work of decades (over 30 years) paid in our lives and our blood (the few of us that survived) undone by President Obama's (Foreign) Policies in less than a few years (4 years).

It was reported early today that Hillary gushed uncontrollably how Morisi saved the day. So she built him up and he then knew it was his moment to strike and strike he did. For the life of me I cannot understand why this administration is so naive.

And then, there is what may be the “smoking gun” in this case. Charles Woods, the father of one of the four Americans killed in Benghazi, has alleged that Secretary of State Clinton approached him at the Benghazi victim’s memorial to promise to bring to justice, not the Islamist terrorists who killed his son, but Mr. Nakoula. As Pseudonymous blogger Allahpundit of Hot Air says, if true:

That’s perverse, but in keeping with the fact that she (Clinton) decided to run ads on Pakistani TV apologizing for the film while Islamist cretins menaced American diplomats across the region. Even if you give her the benefit of the doubt and assume that she had no intention of prosecuting the filmmaker but was merely telling Woods something she thought would console him, why on earth would she zero in on the filmmaker as the target of blame instead of the degenerates who actually shot his son?

The answer to this question may be that the Obama Administration is less than fond of free speech that “slanders” Islam. In his now infamous Cairo speech in 2009 Obama told an Egyptian Muslim audience, including the Muslim Brotherhood, on foreign soil that he considers “it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.” In the aftermath of the Muslim world’s protests to the video, Obama told the UN General Assembly that “(t)he future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.” Nakoula was arrested the following day.

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/case-against-innocence-of-muslims-filmmaker-raises-eyebrows/

i realize this is from a different story, but does this show some of you that Obama is a bit at fault with this Muslim vs. mankind issue???

whatmatters-2890990 - 90% of Egypt is muslim. Was there any doubt that a muslim organization would win the election?

Uneducated Post. It only takes a dozen armed Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood to control hundreds to thousands of sheep (population) at Egypt. Like at Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Palestine, etc. all they have to do is show up at night do a few punitive things like threats, rapes, murders, removal of body parts, etc. then the rest of the sheep (population) will do as told after word of mouth spreads what will happen to the rest of the sheep (population) that refuse to do as told.

You sound like a President Obama apologist (attempting to justify President Obama's Foreign Policies (Resulting Failures)). As US Ally President Mubarak was only doing those things necessary to keep the almost 4 Million of the Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood under some sort of minimal control from expanding from Alexandria Egypt to the rest of his Nation of Egypt. The Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood was deemed too Fundamentalist Islamic even for most of Egypt; just like the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban at Afghanistan told the Fundamentalist Islamic Hamas Foreign Fighters to stop turning the Afghans against the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban by continually chopping off Afghan body parts, throwing acid on faces, sticking Afghans heads into boiling cooking oil, etc.; while the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban did condone the chopping off of ink stained fingers of Afghans that voted especially Afghan Women.

President Obama ignored US Ally President Mubarak's warning of increased "Al Quada like" Activities at Egypt, with President Obama later condemning US Ally President Mubarak of being a "Dictator" (reason why many US Allies do not trust the US anymore).

Later on President Obama ignored US Ally President of Yemen, US Ally President of Libya, etc. about "increased Al Quada like" Activities at their Nations, and President Obama condemned them as "Dictators", while their Militarises were actually fighting the millions of Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists of Al Quada Saudi Arabia (AQ), Al Quada Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), Al Quada Syria (AQS), Al Quada Yemen (AQY), Hezbollah, Al Quada Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), etc. Resulting in President Obama saying "Dictator Killing Their Own People (Citizens)".

President Obama's feel good nice sounding propaganda of Al Quada is defeated and on the run.

And then inciting the Islamic World by claiming to have Murdered the Islamic World's Superstar Holy Warrior of Islam Osama Bin Laden. As worse than claiming to have killed Mohammad and burned all Holy Korans Worldwide. So of course they attacked US Embassies and US Consulates Worldwide:

Biden at DNC (and 6 months before DNC as Obama's, Biden's, Clinton's Campaign Speeches) : "Bin Laden is dead, General Motors is alive"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKCwQnIygcw

With the Islamic Believer Demonstators and Islamic Jihadists Worldwide chanting:

"OBAMA OBAMA WE ARE ALL OSAMA" DEMO IN TUNISIA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfaKSX3m7Tk

Cairo protesters- Obama we are all Osama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pJGX1JzyFc

Yep, really smart of you President Obama supporters (sarcasm).

Good bye Morsi, you honestly think police and military have any more loyalty to you then they did Mubarak? Such a delicate situation and a dictatorship is what you pick?

theboys - For the life of me I cannot understand why this administration is so naive.

Not "naive" but almost Criminal in nature, that resulted in many unnecessary Deaths. As refusing to even listen to their own "Experts".

Example: President Obama's Appointed Registered Democrat General McChrystal, as the Commander of the ISAF. President Obama makes a Deal with General McChrystal to Retire as a Four Star General instead of a Three Star Lieutenant General so that General McChrystal does not demand a Public US Congressional Hearing that would make Public all of the "This Administration Does Not Know What It Is Doing", that would have destroyed President Obama's Political Career.

President Obama did not have a legal leg to stand on pertaining to General McChrystal as "Insubordination"; as for US Military Officers it is a Duty to inform the US Citizens pertaining to those matters that will/have results/resulted in the unnecessary Deaths of US Citizens of the US Military, after the Chain of Command as high up as the President of the US as the US Military Commander In Chief refuses to listen or act.

I agree it will never change. But it is growing and expanding. Eventually this insanity will engulf the rest of the world and islam will challenge the worlds resolve.

Pity the Egyptian people: They have the right to vote, and yet they keep electing power-mad megalomaniacs, one after another.

Is this the result of voting with your "heart" instead of your mind, or are they just that easily misled and co-opted?

Wow! Imagine that. Trading one despot for another. What an original concept.

Question. Just who is Obama going to back this time? Morsi, who is the poster boy for an organization with a charter to remove every Israeli's off the planet, or yet another in a series of Democratic protests that will no doubt end in bloodshed, or allow another despot to fill the vacuum?

I suggest the U.S. take a step back and quit funneling billions of dollars into that country, and just allow those nut bags to annihilate each other. Obama can't win on this one.

If Obama can get past his ego and reflect on his track record on middle east policies thus far, he'll do absolutely nothing. From Chicago street organizer to President of the United States in just a few years, what can we expect?

How about from Off-shore hidden bank accounts and "Mommy and Daddy gave everything! " Romney! Greed and wealth make him a mindless rich guy under the control of the business community. Once he lost the election the party hacks started tearing him to shreds!

If Obama (our government) would stop funding the problems they would go away, and he would not have to raise our taxes or send troops abroad to be killed by our Islamic friends. we the American tax payer are funding these people with our aid packages that get confiscated and used for all the wrong things.$900,000,000.00 to fund Hamas 5.5 Billion $ to Egypt, $6 billion to Israel, a few more billion here and a few there and more spent in Pakistan and Afghanistan, for what lets stop giving them money and spend it at home, if we quit funding them they wont be able to fight each other. why do we do this? and what concern is Egypt to us they can handle there own country with out our medelling in their affairs they have been doing so for 6,000 years and there still there. I say cut them all off and make them work for their money or go hungry and maybe they will all learn to get along or finish killing each other eather way is better then what is happening now. lets be done with it.

I cant believe our government supports these countries when our citizens are going hungry, and the dollars to support them come from our hungry citizens, and our government refuses to recognize that there are problems at home.

This middle east bull is just a continuation of WWII. Plain and simple as a pimple!

Barbaric, beastly, despotic and bigoted Sunni House of Saud, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait and other ME Sunni rulers and Pakistan (which provides foot soldiers) are fountainheads of Sunni Islamic extremism stooping to most dangerous levels.

Even Turkey's (supposed to be most important NATO ally) Erdogan and his party have aligned with these Sunni exremist and most dangerous Islamic religious Nazis.

They are responsible for 80 percent of world problems including economic ones.

High oil price manipulations using Iraqi wars and now sanctions on Iranian oil are some of their tricks. High oil prices is hurting most of us economically and making these bigoted Sunni Islamic religious Nazis stronger.

Egypt is the latest example of Sunni Saudi front, MB taking over. Hamas is another Sunni Saudi front.

House of Saud, a strict Wahhabi, is not even tolerating Prophet Mohammad’s heritage places. House of Saud consists of a megalomaniac, despotic and bigoted ruler and highly corrupt, despotic, bigoted seventh century mindset 5000 princes and princesses.

In Mecca, the house of one of the wives of Mohammed was demolished and converted into public lavatories. Mohammed’s birth place may vanish with plans to have skyscrapers, mega shopping malls and a Grand mosque!

In Medina, ten years ago a mosque of grandson of Mohammed was dynamited and the religious police were celebrating on this. There are plans to pull down three seventh century mosques in future.

No wonder even Allah is furious with these people.

The oil companies, Christian right, extremist Jews and their lobbyists in the US, Britain, France, Germany and other nations can't save these House of Saud and other bigoted ones. Iraqi wars saved them.

But the same Islamic extremists (Shiites, Sunnis or new ones cropping up) are going to remove Sunni Saudis and co!

Better keep away from Syria and remove sanctions on Iranian oil to weaken our No. 1 enemy, Sunni Saudis and co. Even Iran is not our business.

Iran can buy/get/steal nukes from Pakistan.

Hey Anderson Cooper, how did that democracy work out for you idiot? Yeah, Egypt is going to be a free nation govern by democratic principles! What a freaking joke! I am absolutely shocked that the Muslim Brotherhood would go back on their word. "Not!" So how many people had to die, and how many more are going to die, because the liberal loons pushed out one dictator and replaced him with another! Except this one once to wipe-out the Jews and Christians in the process. And here is the bonus, you couldn't stop with screwing up a major Middle East ally, oh no, you had to push your democracy crap on several others, which are now in control of the radicals. Anderson, I think you deserve the dumb-ass of the year award along with the White House that pushed this garbage.

Pity the Egyptian people: They have the right to vote, and yet they keep electing power-mad megalomaniacs, one after another.

Not much different than the choices we Americans are handed on a silver platter disguised as voting.

Actually, I think that Obama and the left are surprised. Surprised that it took this long! This is exactly what Obama had in mind from the beginning. The left always supports the thugs. I guess it's in their genes.

right, its what obama "had in mind" because of your "mental powers" that let you know exactly what he "had in mind". lol.

of course, obama had pretty much nothing to do with the change of gov't in egypt, but don't let actual facts intrude on your hate. :)

But in summary you supported the military dictator? should we conclude that "the right" always supports military dictatorships that suppress freedom? is it in their genes? lol.

you're funny.

vermontguy: Say, I'm about out of Vermont maple syrup, what's it going for these days?

As to knowing what Obama wants? It's not that difficult. All you have to do is pay attention to what he says and what he does. Suffice it to say that from the very beginning, when Obama and the left were heralding the "Arab Spring" and the so-called pro-democracy movement, the right was warning about the Muslim Brotherhood. Turns out the right was right. This has been the case throughout Obama's reign.

witchrunner -

You really need to change the tinfoil in your hat!

The left always supports the thugs.

Thugs? Who was a bigger thug than Mubarak? And who supported Mubarak?

From CBSNews:

Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, a potential 2012 Republican presidential contender, blasted President Obama for siding with Egyptian protesters as they press for democracy, instead of the American-friendly authoritarian Egyptian government of President Hosni Mubarak.

You have a severe disconnect from reality!

well, based on what obama said and did, I would say he wanted freedom and democracy. lol.

again, should we support military dictators? And its not a question of the "right being right", everyone knew this kind of thing could happen. duh.

but again, what do you think obama should have done differently? no one can seem to answer that question.

If you know what President Obama wants than why did you vote him back into office??? His action last election allowing a healthcare bill not even read before voting it into law, allow illegals into the Country illegal in violation of his oath of office (harboring) before changing the law No balanced budget. Whats he going to do this time you know? Oh I'm sorry he's going to tax the rich, that's right ;-} left, center.

The Egyptian people who fought for freedom made a terrible mistake electing the Muslim Brotherhood, their back to square one now.

Egyptians have so much more blood to spill because of their ill-chosen leader.

Authoritarians often use legitimate elections to achieve power, and once there, use every trick, legal and illegal under whatever law they give lip service to, to keep and increase that power while stifling the opposition. Been happening here in the US for about 40 years. Began with Nixon via Segretti, transferred to Atwater, and then to Rove, and it just keeps getting worse with time.

Some right wingers actually believe their own BS stories. They actually want the rest of the sane, rational people in this country to believe only right wing fanatics know it all. Sure they do...that's why they all KNEW Bush would end his presidency with a September 2008 Meltdown not even his Harvard MBA helped him to see coming...8 years and he never saw that coming and not a single right wing Big Mouth had the raisins to tell him so.

It's all about the right getting their way...like the little dictators they are. It's why they can predict everything and anything this president is going to do. Wouldn't you think with such omnipotent powers of extra sensory perception they'd have predicted they'd be losers and their precious rich boi Rip Van Romney would be their loser?

Bubba...Nice try. But, President Obama did present the US's most got that? M-O-S-T comprehensive reform of healthcare. The reason it didn't pass in its entirety was Republican obstruction. Time for more feasting at the table of GOP denial?

Your party sat on their asses for 12 years, while Americans were losing their jobs and their rich ass CEOs aspired and attained billionaire status for no reason other than pointing and delegating. As if that's an excuse to be a billionaire.

If you aren't paying for your healthcare, who is? I'm fed up paying for mine and half of the residents below the Mason Dixon line. You have state taxes. Stop feeding your red state businesses and use those taxes for the people who pay them...the Middle Class.

ewent you have really been listening to the msm to much the dem politicians seem to be as wealthy as the repubs and alot of the hcb will effect the taxes of all not just the wealthy. seems the dems in wash and else where don't get things have to be paid for its not free. you blame the repubs but it is both parties and the whats in it for me attitude if you think the dems in power care about you then you are not thinking but being led like sheep

Ewent if you went any further left you'd fall off the spectrum....It amazes me that there are actually people like you that can sit there with a normal face and believe that THEIR side of the politcal beam is perfect and does nothing wrong....If that is really you in your profile pic you look to be a bit older than a brain-washable teen so I think you'd know better....

Guess looks are deceiving....

You're just as hate filled as those on the right you claim are....

When will you people ever get that there really aren't 2 sides? It's just a shell game. HELLO? If you are not one of the really rich then you are getting PLAYED any way they want. Wake up folks....

I'm not surprised. This is what happens when unemployment gets out of hand.

I dont care about these Arabs, they get what they deserve. Until these muslim countries change their ignorant attitudes towards the west and Israel, until then too bad.!!!!!!!!!!

Time World Magazine Nov 21st

Read more: http://world.time.com/2012/11/21/how-the-gaza-truce-makes-egypts-muslim-brotherhood-a-peace-player/#ixzz2D4rAxw2T

CAIRO — The top leader of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood denounced peace efforts with Israel and urged holy war to liberate Palestinian territories on Thursday — one day after the country's president, who hails from the movement, mediated a cease-fire between Israelis and Palestinians to end eight days of fierce fighting.

Read more: Muslim Brotherhood head denounces cease-fire, as Morsi claims more power in Egypt - Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/22/muslim-brotherhood-head-denounces-cease-fire-as-mo/#ixzz2D4sxcDn2

so, what exactly did we prevent when we decided the people of another nation need to cease fire??? A man that has a head bigger than the world today. Congratulations. So glad we gave the MBH money, arnt you?

"Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac." ~George Orwell

Here's a story "Wall Street Controlled & Corrupted Corporate Media" isn't talking about! Any of you "Israeli Chicken Hawk's" want to start World War III (As if you haven't already)?

Well here is your chance.....

Russia sends a detachment of ships to the coast of Gaza.....Auspiciously.....in order to evacuate Russians

http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_11_23/Russia-sends-a-detachment-of-ships-to-the-coast-of-Gaza/

Russians in GAZA? Don't they know "We" are the Worlds only "Super Power" and the only Country allowed to meddle in the Middle East? These UN Globalist / Wall Street Banksters just keep pushing and pushing....Anyone want to guess if there is a Big RED Russian / Chinese Bulls-eye on your Hometown?

Just one more reason for America to stay out of these "Endless Corporate Sponsored Not Wars" for Corporate Fun & Profits.....Then we can insist everyone else does too!

If we Truly wanted to spread Democracy (Corporate Plutocracy) let US start in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain or the UAE!

"The propagandist's purpose is to make one set of people forget that certain other sets of people are human."~ George Orwell

thats just retarded. believe a book that speaks of people riding in on horses and using swords....a bit out of date aint ya buddy?

your stattement is simply NOT true though. If what you said was true, you would currently be illiterate and unable to spread the religious stories of the ancient people who didn't understand what a freakin meteor or earthquake was....

A leader coordinated reading and writing for the masses...and in fact, a leader gave you the ability to even learn about the christian god in the first place. His name was Constantine, and without him and his phony beliefs (seriously, he believed in god because of a freakin star appearing in the sky..), your religion would have in fact been destroyed and forgotten a couple thousand years ago.

Buddhism is significantly older...so is Judaism....why not believe their writing??

Lucky, Jeremiah and Psalms ARE part of the Judaic Bible. Just sayin'...

D Russell...Evil is a fact of life. Existence always hangs in the balance between good and evil. The most evil have no reason to wish it away. Their mortal existence depends on how much evil they can create. This, they call, "success."

If you don't believe in good and evil, you'd have to explain why some men conceive of the most vile acts against humanity.

I still want to see what a FUNCTIONING Arab democracy looks like. Is it Tunisia? Egypt? anything?

to Ewent - A belief in evil does not require a corresponding belief in the supernatural if that is what you are trying to suggest.

Ewent-If you don't believe in good and evil, you'd have to explain why some men conceive of the most vile acts against humanity.

this is impossible...if i didn't believe in good or evil i would not judge those actions at ALL........hello...why are you so sure of yourself...you dirtied up this entire article

So true! They who ridicule have no answers.

They are dealing with it.

FTA:

Opposition protesters in Egypt set fire to offices belonging to the Muslim Brotherhood on Friday after new Islamist President Mohammed Morsi awarded himself sweeping new powers.

They don't like it! They are moving to change it and, hell, they may even succeed. They threw out Mubarak, Morsi may be next!

EEngineer...I agree. Egyptians are some of the world's most intelligent people and are not easily fooled by the machinations of power freak men who smile and smile and then plot their own dictatorships.

We have had so many powerfreaks we can write a book on how to get rid of them :)

Now, deal with it.

as America is doing now...in our homeland the USA. Only half of this nation agrees with how things are....but we still are not killing them...

I love The Who

Yes.......and teenage wasteland (Iraq and Afghanistan)......The Who have always been right...!

"We're not gonna take it, Never did and never will, We're not gonna take it, Gonna break it, gonna shake it,
Let's forget it better still...."

my new "bible" only has this line...ill call it, "the road"...jk

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton

seems like this is the lesson we will all "learn" in our lifetimes together.

having 5 parts to your name is stupid , Acton was an idiot , not to mention a Baron , ergo he was powerful , ergo he was a bad man , shows you how the "liberal moralist" brain works , "you are powerful and evil, I am powerful and a saint" , the things you kids are taught in todays "education" system , your a lost generation... hahaha

no, he is still behind all of this as well as Morsi-the laughing- Pharaoh

i see it simply, Morsi got jealous of the attention from the Gaza conflict and basted himself in photo ops and got a enormous head when someone (an idiot-UN?Hillary? Obama? who freaking knows whos in charge anymore) gave him the hint that he was in control of much of the ME...it was just stupid to give him credit for this cease fire...aren't are leaders trained to spot someone plotting to take advantage of the situation? apparently not. Thank you MSN/"news" media for making sure the world look up to this guy...you created a monster.

Part of the problem in the Middle East has less to do with religion and more to do with lack of opportunity all while these Middle Eastern governments are educating and educating and educating. Then, these educated young men and women leave college with degrees and no jobs. Sound familiar?

If you speak to anyone who has ever lived in Egypt they will tell you that jobs for college educated men and women are scarce in that country as it is in most of the Middle Eastern countries. This is only going to get worse as the US begins to withdraw from fossil fuel energy more and more over the next 20 years.

wernt we just shaking hands with this guy giving him hints that he is in "control" of the ME??? We did just do that....we, the USA, did that.

Obama and Clinton should not have formed them in the first place.

"Do the Arab peoples not understand the concept of democracy?"

No, they do not. Islam is totalitarian.

"Are they trying to prove to the world that Islam and democracy are antithetical concepts?"

They are antithetical. What planet do you live on?

not necessarily antithetical: "As of 2010, U.S.-based organization Freedom House considers Indonesia and Mali as the only Muslim-majority countries that are fully-fledged free electoral democracies.^[22] In 2011, the Democracy Index by the Economist Intelligence Unit rated Indonesia (60th), Mali (62nd) and Malaysia (=71st) as the only Muslim-majority countries to reach the "flawed democracy" category, with none being in the "full democracy" category. Some of the larger Muslim countries such as Pakistan, Bangladesh, Turkey and Iraq appeared in the "hybrid regime" category". As a result of the 2011 revolution Tunisia was also upgraded to a hybrid regime"

difficult, but not impossible.

this is a good thread #15...nice rebuttal...you both should debate this, id watch

i'm not sure anyone is surprised by it.

I don't see any evidence that anyone is suprised by this. Upset, yes. Surprised, no.

it is reported our Politicians get a kickback via the Lobbyists these people hire after getting U.S. Aid............ Does anyone know if this is true?

tell that to Hillary, im prone to belive she gave him that big giant head he is wearing now...

No Riley that is not true. What you are referring to is our (the U.S.) getting money from both Saudi and Kuwait. They give huge "donations" to our government. This is why when Bin Laden came out against us the Bush Administration allowed (and paid for) some of the minor Saudi's to leave Florida and the U.S. Egypt has never given "kickbacks" to the U.S. Politicians. I live an teach in Heliopolis (Cairo), Egypt and this issue has been brewing for quite a while. The Egyptians are EXTREMELY intelligent and (on the one hand) patient. However, when something happens they feel is wrong, they will let people know. There are many more liberals and Christians than there are extremists. The Egyptians want a Thomas Jeffersonian type of democracy. What we have been seeing in Egypt is a form of Direct Democracy. The Egyptians have a great deal of respect for Thomas Jefferson. It was T.J. who thanked the Arab tribes for their help with our revolution. (They taught us how to ride horses because our forefathers were farmers) Also, it was T. J who asked for the first translation of the Qu'ran (PBUI) into English. That copy was kept at Monticello until the conservators felt it was in danger of being stolen or destroyed so they moved it to the vault at the Lib. of Congress in D. C.

We have to remember that we have been trying to get democracy right for 200 years (ish) Egypt is an ancient country who has been trying to become democratic for only about 1 year and a half. It is the birth of a new ideal for them. And the youth and liberals will lead it.

no doubt its a power grab, but there is no reason to believe its copied from anyone in particular. The concept is pretty straightforward. In this case morsi's two most significant "enemies" are the military and the courts, so he's trying to address the one he can most directly.

Vermontguy, that is why I stated in a form of a question. The similarities between Morsi and Chavez 1st year in power are stirking. Although they both were elected, Chavez already has (1998) and Morsi is now trying to ensure lifetime of Presidency with new Despotic Powers while keeping the "cloak of democracy" to show they can win future "elections" that are to become totally rigged. Morsi will be stacking the courts and Military with his own Henchmen soon just as Chavez did, the people of Egypt better get rid of Morsi wihin the coming months before it is too late or else they are also stuck with a Chavez style Despotic Rule with a "Democary cloak" of rigged elections.

my point is that I don't think morsi is "copying chavez", its not like chavez had some magic formula. Power grabs have happened all throughout history.

maybe Hillary gave him Obamas copy...no value here, just being a smart azz

Mubarak was the devil we knew, and he cooperated with us and respected religion, but thanks to Obummer we'll deal with terrorists. Some twitter war Anderson Copper and Obummer started uh? Only a matter of time before we see hate USA signs.