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Subscribe to RSSViolent confrontations between protesters and Egyptian security forces continue in Cairo. NBC's Jim Maceda reports.
CAIRO -- Egypt's highest judicial authority on Saturday said President Mohammed Morsi's decree granting himself new powers marked an "unprecedented attack" on the independence of the judiciary, while critics and supporters planned for rival rallies on Tuesday.
Meanwhile, a huge explosion rocked the city of Rafah near the Gaza Strip, and al Arabiya reported that part of an intelligence building had collapsed. The border crossing at Rafah has been closed on and off over security issues, severely restricting the flow of goods to Gaza.
Youths clashed with police in Cairo for a second day, confronting Egypt with a crisis that has exposed the split between newly empowered Islamists and their opponents.
A handful of hardcore activists hurling rocks battled riot police in the streets near Tahrir Square, where several thousand protesters massed on Friday to demonstrate against a decree that has rallied opposition ranks against Morsi.
Following a day of violence in Cairo, Alexandria, Port Said and Suez, the smell of teargas hung over the square, the heart of the uprising that swept Hosni Mubarak from power in February 2011.
More than 300 people were injured on Friday. Offices of the Muslim Brotherhood, which propelled Morsi to power, were attacked in at least three cities.
The Muslim Brotherhood called for a mass demonstration in Cairo on Tuesday to show support for Morsi. It also called for shows of support in public squares across Egypt after early evening prayers on Sunday.
Parties opposed to the decree have also called for a protest on Tuesday in Cairo, though in a different square from the one where the Brotherhood called on its supporters to gather.
Leftist, liberal and socialist parties have called for an open-ended sit-in with the aim of "toppling" the decree, which has also drawn statements of concern from the United States and the European Union. A few dozen activists manning makeshift barricades kept traffic out of the square on Saturday.
Calling the decree "fascist and despotic", Morsi's critics called for a big protest on Tuesday against a move they say has revealed the autocratic impulses of a man jailed by Mubarak, who outlawed Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood.
"We are facing a historic moment in which we either complete our revolution or we abandon it to become prey for a group that has put its narrow party interests above the national interest," the liberal Dustour Party said in a statement.
Issued late on Thursday, the decree marks an effort by the Morsi administration to consolidate its influence after it successfully sidelined Mubarak-era generals in August.
"We are here because the goals of the revolution have yet to be achieved," one protester said as people took to the streets after President Mohamed Morsi decreed more power for himself. Critics call it a power grab, and there have been calls for a million-man march against Morsi. NBC's Jim Maceda reports.
The decree reflects the Muslim Brotherhood's suspicion towards sections of a judiciary unreformed from Mubarak's days: it guards from judicial review decisions taken by Morsi until a new parliament is elected in a vote expected early next year.
It also shields the assembly writing Egypt's new constitution from a raft of legal challenges that have threatened the Islamist-dominated assembly with dissolution.
The Morsi administration has defended the decree on the grounds that it aims to speed up a protracted transition from Mubarak's rule to a new system of democratic government.
"It aims to sideline Morsi's enemies in the judiciary and ultimately to impose and head off any legal challenges to the constitution," said Elijah Zarwan, a fellow with The European Council on Foreign Relations.
"We are in a situation now where both sides are escalating and its getting harder and harder to see how either side can gracefully climb down," Zarwan said.
A central element of Egypt's transition, the drafting of the constitution has been plagued by divisions between Islamists and their more secular-minded opponents, nearly all of whom have withdrawn from the body writing the document.
Morsi's new powers allowed him to replace the prosecutor general -- a Mubarak holdover who the new president had tried to replace in October only to kick up a storm of protest from the judiciary, which said he had exceeded his authorities.
At an emergency meeting called to discuss the decree, the Supreme Judicial Council, Egypt's highest judicial authority, urged "the president of the republic to distance this decree from everything that violates the judicial authority".
The Judges' Club, a body representing judges across Egypt, late called for a strike by judges and prosecutors during a meeting interrupted with chants demanding the "downfall of the regime" -- the rallying cry in the uprising that toppled Mubarak last year.
Al-Masry Al-Youm, one of Egypt's most widely read dailies, hailed Friday's protest as "The November 23 Intifada", invoking the Arabic word for uprising. "The people support the president's decisions," declared Freedom and Justice, the newspaper run by the Brotherhood's political party.
The ultraorthodox Salafi Islamist groups that have been pushing for tighter application of Islamic law in the new constitution have rallied behind the decree.
The Nour Party, one such group, stated its support for the Morsi decree. Al-Gama'a al-Islamiya, which carried arms against the state in the 1990s, said it would save the revolution from what it described as remnants of the Mubarak regime.
Facing the biggest storm of criticism since he won the presidential election in June, Morsi addressed his supporters outside the presidential palace on Friday. He said opposition did not worry him, but it had to be "real and strong".
Candidates defeated by Morsi in the presidential vote joined the protests against his decision on Friday. Former Arab League Secretary General Amr Moussa was photographed linking arms with leftist Hamdeen Sabahi, liberal Mohamed ElBaradei and others.
Morsi is now confronted with a domestic crisis just as his administration won international praise for mediating an end to the eight-day war between Israel and Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.
"The decisions and declarations announced on November 22 raise concerns for many Egyptians and for the international community," State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said in a statement.
The European Union urged Morsi to respect the democratic process, while the United Nations expressed fears about human rights.
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What democratic process? SCAF and the Judges dissolved the democratically elected Parliament. SCAF got rid of the constitution. There won't be a process until a new constitution is made and a new Parliament is elected.
That's more than the Gaza conflict, I say we have Bibi come in and mediate!!
The Egyptian Parliament was dissolved because of the extreme amount of irregularity in the voting, not because of some power grab. What Morsi is doing is placing himself above the law and the judiciary to do a he pleases without any constraints or review. This is not how a democratically elected leader behaves, this is how a dictator behaves. Morsi is trying to consolidate power to ensure that he and his Muslim Brotherhood retain control over everything that happens in Egypt. He is trying to keep the group writing the constitution in place because it is made up almost entirely of Islamists and they are writing a constitution that will guarantee the Islamists control over Egypt. They are even looking at making it so that you need to be Islamic to run for president or any other office. This move by Morsi has nothing to do with moving Egypt forward in its transition from Mubarak's regime to a new democratic government, it is about the Islamists consolidating their hold on the country and ensuring that they can never be voted out.
'Leftist, Liberals, & Socialist parties have called for a sit in'
Let me know how that works out? Here in the U.S.A. these parties along with the Progressive party are the ones trying to give O'Bama the same Illegal far reaching & freedom destroying powers..O'Bama wants to throw the Boomers under the bus & claim the Crown..... No SSI for old whites......................FORWARD: TO THE CONSINTRATION CAMPS ( reeducation centers)
lee, tell us, precisely, about these "illegal, far reaching and freedom destroying powers" you think someone is trying to give our President. Tell us about the proposal for "no SSI for old whites".
Lee?
Once you place a label on the box you have constructed from your beliefs, you cease to possess the ability to perceive outside its constraints.
The disease / virus known as islam continues to spread. I hope somehow, someway in the near future we can find a way to isolate the infected from the non. It is quite obvious that the koran carries the virus and spreads it to all that follow its evil doctrines including mohammed who undoubtedly was patient zero.
Why should anyone care about these people or their fate when it is fairly evident they do not care about anyone but other islamists and their evil agenda? They actually don't even care about fellow islamists. islamists, please do fight on, you have my permission to kill all of each other. Just do it in your own time and place and leave the rest of civilization out of it.
Hello! Lee?!
“The European Union urged Morsi to respect the democratic process, while the United Nations expressed fears about human rights”.
We have, only a few weeks ago, completed our bit in the democratic process, so let the Egyptians complete theirs. Everyone interprets and uses democracy the way it suits them.
Democracy, oh, how much I love that word! In our case, if I remember clearly, nearly a $billion was spent by 2 candidates on election campaigns, telling untruths, ridiculing one another, on scare tactics and bribes and trickery, on issues that divided the nation like never before in out history etc. That’s democracy, delivered to people, our way! But when Egyptians, through Morsi, exercise their kind of democracy, the world is up in arms.
Just to refresh my memory, can someone tell me how did Morsi end up in the top job? Wasn't it the democratic process, blessed by us, that got him there??!!
ANOTHER RESOUNDING TRIUMP FOR OBAMA'S FOREIGN POLICY!!!!
This stupid ^&#$(* destroys everything he touches. But keep giving him Nobel Peace Prizes and keep bleating his praises you left wing sheep.
Obama's presidency becomes more of a joke and debacle every day. Four years of disater behind us with another four that are sure to be even worse to follow.
These Egyptians have been Islamic for hundreds of years. They knew what these guys were like and voted them in anyway. Hard to feel sorry for them. They voted Morsi and the MB in and now thay get what they get....too bad.
Another fine job by Obama, looks like he can't run Egypt any better than this country.
Since when was it Obama's job to "run Egypt," idiot? For that matter, how did it become Bush's job to run Iraq?
You beat me to the punch Old Gator...I too would like to know who thinks Obama is supposed to "run" Egypt?
That's an easy one. The pathological narcissist in the White House, OBAMA, thinks he is supposed to run Egypt...and Libya....and everyones lives..... Hell, that stupid ^&*%$# thinks it's his job to dictate to the world.
Lee,
Your viewpoint is twisted and it is contrary to the facts.
After Obama was re-elected president, it was Donald Trump (a torch bearer for the birther movement,) and a supporter of Romney who called for a "massive march" on Washington. Trump decried Obama's victory. The Donald fumed and stated that the president win was an "injustice." Because of our president win, rant radio/the right-wing radio stalwarts continue to whine about our election process being "less than optimal."
Obama won with a broader spectrum of voters. Which of the diverse groups that voted for the president, e.g. women, people of color, many elderly citizens, many blue-collar White males, etc indicated that they wanted him to be king of United States? Which of these groups, have insisted that Obama be coronated on January 20, 2013?
It was Romney and Ryan who wanted to end the payroll tax cut for the middle class,
Totally non-factual. Ryan's "Pathway to Poverty" aimed to eleminate Social Security and SSI for our citizens, including "old whites."
The GOP's mantra: BACKWARDS: FEUDALISM AND SERFDOM SHALL REIGN.
Under a Romney administration, unless you are in the 1%, your children would not have been able to read your diatribe. In their plans for "small government," Team "we are for the 1%," wanted to severely limit the U.S. Department of Education.
...grossly, you have fed yourself a steady and junk diet of Limbaugh, O'Reilly and Hannity.
lee, go get a beer or something. how about some Jack D? The Muslim Brotherhood called for a mass demonstration in Cairo on Tuesday to show support for Morsi. It also called for shows of support in public squares across Egypt after early evening prayers on Sunday. Religion=social control, very evil. Really, nationwide early evening prayers how absurd, flatlanders
Seven-341804
Hi , do you know that the disease / virus exists already in your backyard ?
Did you visit , for example , Anaheim CA ? This is one of the " viral cultures " in U.S.A.
(viral culture like saying bacterial culture)
"Youths clashed with police in Cairo for a second day, confronting Egypt with a crisis that has exposed the split between newly empowered Islamists and their opponents."
Egypt is at crossroads just like Turkey.
In 21st century, too much of religion will be very bad. Here hating and killing seventh century Sunni Islamic brand is the worst.
Those opposed to corrupt and despotic Mubarak, did not battle to get the seventh century barbaric, beastly and bigoted Sunni MB and its front cover Morsi.
Time has come to torch that Morsi's and all MB offices right now to save from Sunni brand of Islamic religious madness: hating and killing. They can neither be repaired or controlled.
Hi Coptic.......Yes I did know. I have also visited San Diego as well as Dearborn, Michigan where apparently Christians are no longer welcome. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIaJx-fqjEU The islamists in Dearborn danced in the streets celebrating the WTC bombings, eventual collapse and the deaths of 3000 innocents. Do you want them in your neighborhood? I do not. Of course these are the "good muslims", you know, the ones that speak out about the atrocities that their virus carrying brothers and sisters routinely perform. Time to wake up people and smell the stench that this virus leaves in its wake.
I keep hearing that there are over one billion muslims on the planet. And I keep hearing that the "bad ones" are a very small percentage. Well ask yourself this. When are the good ones going to do something about the bad ones?
"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil but because of those who do nothing about it". Einstein.
Seven
Believe me , the problem is not the Muslims , it is the book .
From the HOLY Quran.
"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice." Einstein.
"With the gift of intelligence often comes the great epiphany that you may be totally wrong about your beliefs."
To live your life by rules put forth in a book of pure evil fiction by a murderer of innocents, a rapist and child fornicator, must surely be the most ignorant thing a human being can do. Why the virus carriers choose not to recognize this is beyond any intelligent person's belief. If this is your idea of the behavior of a prophet, you have my permission to take your own life as you surely have nothing to offer for the betterment of a civilized society.
Seven
Very nice , Sir .
http://www.timesofisrael.com/fresh-shipment-of-iranian-made-rockets-reportedly-already-en-route-to-gaza/
Fresh shipment of Iranian-made rockets reportedly already en route to Gaza
Now how did I know this was coming? This will NEVER end!!
Fedup.... you got that right!! .As long as a group insistent on genocide for the other group, there can be NO peace!!
Not to worry...Over-the-Hiillry is there with BOZOhussen's check book. ..Is that more tax dollars going down the toilet??!!
Get off it propagandaNBC. The Egypt people got exactly what our President left them with after he personally led them to freedom and democracy... at least he said he did. And the Sandy victims got what the President left them after he personally promised to take care of everything... before he took off for Vegas. And the people of Libya... oh man, the list goes on. But the photo ops are terrific!!!
Remember, we do not negotiate with terrorists! Just leaders who are aligned with terrorists by giving them bags of our Chinese borrowed cash.
Hey sore loser. Please go sign your petition to secede and spew your garbage to all your like-minded idiot bretheren.
Your act is old.
Puh-lease
Don't like facing the realites?
Love that. The new left catch phrase to everything "sore loser". Ok, no more critisizing anything in the world or with Obama..... I am a drone lemming, I will not complain or question, I am a drone lemming, I will not question or complain..... for if I do, I may end up in the same jail cell without due process as the video dude.
The realities are that things never happen fast enough for some people. No body waved a wand and made the United States and our Constitution magically appear. Hell, we're still a work in progress. It took the city of Punta Gorda, Fl. no less than four years to recover from Charlie and the tree in my back yard eight years to grow back what Charlie took off of it. My sister lives in Highlands, N.J. and lost everything except the basic structure, and has already received her FEMA money to start rebuilding as have others. Patience is a virtue, things take time. The real sheep are those that blindly follow what their party tells them without bothering to look at the whole picture and the sheer enormity of the events they complain about.
Oh captain courageous... keep on defending the fact that no one is to question. How much did FEMA waste for your sister to get her help, what, two months after? How much red tape? Is she allowed to spend as she chooses? Or where she chooses? For each dollar that your sister recieved... how many dollars were spent to get the help to her? Oh, forget that... just why two months?
As a Katrina survivor who got blown out and left without anything for more than 10 weeks... and couldn't get FEMA to hand out a blue tarp because they were arguing about who would hand them out and how those companies would be paid.... FEMA beaurocracy is crap crap crap. Your president has had four years, and has accomplished 0, zip, nada, nothing, 0. except the fact that we are now borrowing 48 cents for every dollar spent by the government.
Oh, forgot, and that within the next two years unless you can afford your own independent health insurance and private hospital... you will be standing in lines answering very private health and personal questions with a bunch of people standing in line behind you and the non high school graduate government employee yelling at you to "speak up" while she puts your information into a computer so the program can spit out what it thinks may be wrong with you and assign you an appointment with an unknown doctor six months later or determine that because of your age and usefulness to society, your treatment may not be cost effective so you just need to go find a rock to lean against somewhere and die. And of course, the government will keep all your medical information secret because if there is one thing the government knows how to do its how to keep something secret. Ya, he accomplished that.
The Egyptian people are aware that their newly formed government is getting a big chunk of money from the US to straddle the fence and help with relations in that region just as Mubarak did previously. Money talks. However, I venture to say if you ask the man on the street in the US they know nothing of the huge gift giving we are engaged in with regards to funding Egypt.
Many Egyptians do not want the US tainted money because their citizens do not like Americans. At the same time, they will take the aid, because their economy is so in the tank. So imagine taking money from those you hate and staying grateful. Yup, that is why hate is fueled. It would be better to not give gifts and let them work out their own financial strains so they are beholding to western interest.
When their uprising began, it was in most likelihood those that are now protesting that were the protesters back then. It was NOT the MB. They let that 10 percent do all the work and then when Mubarak was dispatched the MB moved into that void. Pretty smart.
Obama and his supporters led us all to believe that it was the protesters that was the majority. That is simply not true. They were a weak minority that was fragmented and never had a leader in mind when Mubarak was overthrown. The MB on the other hand, had a plan and implemented it and now is moving to bring about another dictator style regime. The difference is the MB isn't Mubarak. They have a different allegiance that is now becoming crystal clear to our administration that is once again getting snookered.
Seems a lot of things coming out of this administration are UNTRUE!! Anyone else see a pattern developing?
You obviously didn't notice that my post was politically neutral as am I. My sister applied for and received the FEMA aid in 3 weeks. FEMA, just like our government and the fledgling governments in Egypt and Libia, is a work in progress and will get better as mistakes are identified and corrected. It is better now than it was during Katrina. It's still not perfect and in all probability never will be because you can't please all of the people all of the time, but isn't it better than nothing? Also, he's not my president. I didn't vote for him. I didn't vote for his main opponent either. The POTUS is nothing more than a figurehead for their respective parties, and I am fed up with the Repuglicans and the Dumbocrats. Oh yeah, the Pee Potty 'aint making it either. Our elected representatives on both sides of the aisle are behaving like children fighting in the sand box and our country won't get better until they start acting like adults, plain and simple. Our leaders should always be questioned about their decisions. My point was that finger pointing and just placing blame, especially during the early phases of any crisis, is not questioning it's complaining. In times of natural disaster those affected have to complain. It's a release of emotions and is understandable. However, pointing fingers and placing blame on one POTUS or another because democracy didn't magically appear in a Middle Eastern country is hard to understand given the dynamics of those situations which are beyond anyones' control but the people in those countries. What I took away from the above exchanges was that people are pointing fingers and laying blame strictly along party lines, blindly without looking at the entire picture.(the above mentioned sand box) Either that or trolls are getting harder to spot. ............"and I say to myself, what a wonderful world. Oh yeaahhhh."
Many,many liberals did not vote for Obama but Jill Stein. Many of us see how right leaning he is and we don't like it. He's like Republicans used to be but the TP moved them even More Right till they really look like Muslims with an American Name Christian. But its all just for Power and Money for the "Boss".
As a Liberal, I believe Palestine must be part of Israel in this day and age. A 99.3% Muslim country(Gaza got 'Converted") just can't live there while believing in "Israels Obliteration" Although it isn't 100% fair, I think some Muslim country should offer them a city to move to. Not totally fair but for Peace...its a small price. The Only Solution. If they were just people it would be different, but they are taught and strictly believe they must Kill or convert all unbelievers. How does anyone live with someone trying to kill them? You can't. Or, Maybe Islam can change it's Doctrine and be friends ???? Change, like many in America, or DON"T LIVE around "others".
"DB Akron
Puh-lease
Don't like facing the realites?"
Sorry but your altered state of reality isn't reality.
"Gofigureit
Katrina was under the Bush adminitration. You're so angy you blame even Bush's crap on Obama. LOL
And as for your standing in line for health care BULLS**T I have to say you have a very strong imagination!
All you have to do is buy, private for profit non government, insurance and the last time I did that I didn't stand in any line. I bet you're one of those that don't have insurance and expect everyone to pay for you emercy room visits?
Oh and just because you don't want to admit Obama has done stuff doesn't mean he didn't. Heck your complaining about one of them in your post, just because you don't think its good doesn't mean it didn't happen. Duh!
Basically you're a fear monger spreading fud and probably very stupid since you seem to be a extremist.
So settle down your party will be back in power some day but they wouldn't help you either unless you're rich.
PS what does your BS have to do with Egypt? Do you blame everything on Obama or just use everything you read to attack Obama? I might suggest you just forget about him for the next 4 years for the good of your own mental health.
BP
nice 8th grade composition , Hyde Park Chicago public school?
Or maybe Herverd Law School.
This kind of power grab is coming to America thanks to the re-election of Obama.
Those, who opposed corrupt and despotic Mubarak, did not ask this Islamic fast backwards march to seventh century tribal and desert days of hating and killing.
Sunni Saudi inspired and funded barbaric and bigoted Sunni MB and Morsi have hijacked the Arab Spring in Turkey.
Egyptians have to save themselves from Morsi and MB, the Sunni haters and killers.
Morsi and MB are not saving Egyptians, Instead they will be destroying Egypt like Pakistan, Libya, Syria, Iran and other Muslim basket case nations.
Is the timing of these Middle East events just coincidence?
And does anyone else sense "awkwardness" with our U.N. positions?
Check in after midnight. The tin-foilers will have the answer you're looking for.
The world is changing everyday while people don't watch. The UN got way behind. Maybe all this will more clearly show whats happening and they can do some some DAILY investigation of these hotspots (and future hotspots). Jeeez..if we can see it, surely.......
One dumb thing Americans do is place observations within Repub or Dem and degrade to rediculous namecalling and Arab jokes For the whole World to see. No one wants to read that stuff. It ruins the message and we do want people to hear. One of the great inaccuracies of the UN about Gaza is an occupied area It is not since 2005. It is 99.3% Sunni Muslim and nothing else is allowed. This is today 2012. Boundaries need to be redrawn by the UN with Palestine as Israel or there will never be peace.
UN and its agencies are almost dead. They wake up when they see Sunni Saudi and oil companies money!
They did them before Iraqi wars and now in Syria and Iraq!
During massive protests against Mubarak, in which cave this Morsi, who now wants to save Egypt, was hiding?
I see the fine folks at msnbc are keeping their little sheeple readers in the dark once again. Do the editors at this news service think their viewers are too stupid and weak for ALL the news? This is the most watered down, scripted, omitting truth news service on the planet I do believe. Poor little sheeple.
Well thanks for filling us all in on the detail! Maybe we need to go to FOX news for those huh? LOL
Let me guess, you think you're the only one that reads other sources?
Many will have to agree with you!
On one day, Hezbollah had 40000 rockets in one analysis.
Next day, all of a sudden the Hezbollah rockets shot up to 100000 to 200000!
Just before each Iraqi wars, media drum beatings were similar to those on Syria and Iran a few weeks back!
It appears that media is controlled by extremist Jewish, Sunni Saudis, oil companies and their lobbyists.
They can come up with stories like night is day and day is night too!
TEXAS... that is correct!! . They think that SNL or letterman delve deep into journalism as they can handle...truth and unbiased!!....Pass the ObamaKOOLaid1!!!
So why don't you go to over to Fox and get your news just the way that you want to hear it?
You know, "fair and balanced" and "no spin zone", and all.
give things a second
Gofigureit, you hit the nail on the head! This should serve as a lesson to other Muslim nations. Be careful what you wish for. Egyptian voters wanted the Muslim Brotherhood in power. They got it and now are descending into chaos and have to live (or die) with that decision, and they have only themselves to blame! Does this sound vaguely familiar and close to home somewhat?
Exactly Doc Egypt chose to base the new gov. on Islamic Law. They got what they asked for,a 7th century mentality to face a 21st century world.
"Does this sound vaguely familiar and close to home somewhat?"
No Closer to home we have big mouths that think their party is the only party that has any answers or that their canidate is the best while the other is a commie and it usally based on fud and BS "facts" twisted to suit their agenda's.
He didn't hit the nail on the head he hit your head and probably his also.
"Be careful what you wish for, you just may get it."
"May you always live in interesting times."
Two old curses that have seen several replays in the very recent past. Egypt is getting both right now.
Doc yes, and we just dodged a bullet!
BP, and what party would that be? Sorry you found fault with something I said. I am going to assume you are referring to the Republican Party, but you may as well save your breath and petty little barbs as I am neither Republican nor Democrat so I guess your small mind will have to find someone else to try with. Both the aforementioned parties are just pale shadows of what they once were. If you want to stick your head in the sand and hope things go away, be my guest. Your insults are wasted with me as they mean nothing and thus neither do you!
Pragmatist, you could very well be correct, but only time will tell. The bis question is do have the time?
Obama must be just bright RED with envy! Chavez did it! Now Morsi has done it! But even though torn and tattered, The Constitution is still a stumbling block to his doing it! Perhaps his frustration will cause him to accelerate his plan. Maybe then even the Progressive "useful idiots" and "principled" (read Petulant) Conservative voters who voted for some third Party candidate will, finally, have to acknowledge his corruption!
Is there still time to step back from this abyss ? Is it possible that we haven't, yet, crossed the Event Horizon? In any case that would end this torturous "Death by a thousand cuts" and we'd regain our Freedoms or finally lose any hope!
Tin foil hat in place???
Check.
It must be tough going through life totally delusional!
Can you substantiate any of your nonsense, or are you just hearing voices?
"and we'd regain our Freedoms" . . .
List the freedoms POTUS has denied you. I suspect they're along the lines of
The freedom to bar homosexual Americans from equal access to American law.
The freedom to dictate reproductive choice to female American citizens
The freedom to legislate your "Christian morality" as secular law
Among other regressive, small-minded, anti-American viewpoints.
So its all Obama fault because he supported democracy in Egypt?
The rest of your post sounds a little paranoid.
Obama didn't support democracy in Egypt. He was behind the Muslim Brotherhood which has a long history of terrorism.Obama's fight against terrorists can be compared to Whitey Bulger's fight against organized crime. Pick and choose and knock out those thst are in YOUR way.
tiredobs, you've a bolt loose on your neck. Could that be your pipe dreams spilling out all over yon faux vinyl tile?
Revolutions often wind up with rulers very much like those initially rebelled against. The English rebelled against the tyrannical Charles I and got Oliver Cromwell, the French took down Louis XVI and got Napoleon Bonaparte in his place. The Russians traded Czar Nicholas II for Nikolai Lenin. That the Egyptians traded dictators, Morsi for Mubarak is no fluke happening. I suggest holding off the celebrations for the "Arab Spring" until the dust settles and we see what emerges from them. There may be a message here for us about Syria. Who is likely to replace Assad? Mother Theresa or the Ayatollah Genghis Khan? Sometimes we are better off with the devil we know than the one we don't.
Kevin, thanks for the thoughtful comment.
We Americans know Democracy is a messy progress even in a developed country such as ours. Let's hope the Egyptians get there sooner rather than later because civil war is a tragedy.
Puh-lease
Can't see the tin foil hat you are wearing?
Wonder what the U.S. stance is on Jordan...
The same as in Egypt, Lybia, Jemen, Syria - "support the rebels (read: muslim brotherhood) and they will bring democracy".
Conservative Islamic values in the name of progress is just ludicrous.Violence,hatred ,intolerance..... perfect,just perfect.
Obama's Arab Spring exchanging brutal secular dictators who are not enemies of the U.S. with brutal radical islamic dictators who are enemies of the U.S.
and how did Obama do that? By supporting democracy ? What an EVIL guy!
And why is it "Obamas Spring" If I recall G. Bush invaded Iraq to stop WMD and spread democracy to the middle east . So hows that going? Oh yeah now its Obama mistake! LOL You haters are NUTS with very short and selective memories!
Bush never had the muslim brotherhood inthe White House and wined and dined them. He also never told the world that islam is the most progressice religon and the cradle of civilisation. your idol with clay feet said it.
Congratulations Anne. You write like a six year old. You must be the smart one in the conservative enclave in your town.
Do us a favor, prove what you said. If you actually believe it you've played right into the tea party hands. A weak minded person who will believe everything they spew.
Dennis, you're right, I didn't spell check but, unlike your post, mine is based on facts. Yours on the other hand, leaves a lot to be desired when it come to an intelligent reply. But then, you're part of the crowd who is better at regurgitating than thinking.
Barack gives the Terrorist group Muslim Brotherhood way more support than he did our ally Mubarack.
Obama is so wise it makes me want to puke.
Document your nonsense.
We're America and we champion democracy, did you want him to support a dictator instead of the people?
The muslim brotherhood were honored guests at the White House. During the thime Mubarek tried to keep them contained in Alexandria. Remember the years when they killed tourists up and down the Nile?
Another Obama conspiracy theory they'll be posting for the next 4 years as they've done the first 4. They think they influence independent voters with these rants but instead sound so stupid they do democrats more good than harm. Keep spewing the irrational hate toward Obama so he can hand it off to the next democrat in 4 years. They thought they had this election sewed up when so many enthusiastic callers cheering them on agreeing with every word on Limbaugh and the Fox talking heads but in reality only the nutjobs were listening.
Did anyone really expect anything less than this from the Muslim Brotherhood and Morsi. Arab Spring, my butt. Just a takeover, in most cases, by radical Islam.
I think we should double or triple the money and weapons we give them.
After all,,,,, life is over rated.
What is the date?
Only a couple weeks left.
Tick Tock,,,,,, Tick Tock. 2012
Is that when your vest is programmed to explode? Make sure it fits you properly, then wander out into the desert alone for 40 days...I am sure you will have Satan for company.
On the bright side several cases of S A R S have been reported in the middle east.
Now the men will have to wear masks like their slaves do.
Boo FUKING HOO. I guess we will have to save them with Infidel medicine.
If we could create a deadly virus that was only spread through anal sex with goats our problems would be solved.
How would killing you with a deadly virus that was only spread through anal sex with goats solve our problems?
For those of you who endorsed Tweets from Obama's truly bizarre statement that implies that all Muslim men are involved in bestiality, you really need to take your fantasies elsewhere...Maybe to a site like Pony Love....
Ah Morsi, Obama and Hillary's boy.
amazing how quiet the white house has been on this power grab after praising and pushing the arab spring as much as they did.
Obama was also a friend of Assad.
Saying his being a reformer was pivotal in Barack's mid east peace plans.
Oh well. Ignore that American Media.
The voters did.
Ok people. Our US election is over and I lost - I am one of those pesky Independent voters who voted for Romney, Obama won.
The topic here is the power grab by the "democratically elected" new president of Egypt in a "fair" election. Morsi is part of the muslim brotherhood. What did anyone expect? We knew, or at least should have know that at some point, he would go for the total power in Egypt on behalf of his brotherhood.
Yes, he helped to negotiate a truce between Israel and the Gaza (Hamas) and received big atta boys from the US for helping to at least stall that conflict. Once he had that praise from western countries he felt now was the time to start grabbing that power. The next thing he could try is to declare martial law, which if enacted, completely negates any type of a democratic republic in Egypt.
I don't care if you love Obama and his administration, or hate Obama and his administration. The damage in the middle east has been done. Now, how are we, the US, going to handle it?
Our major problem is not just Obama and his views, our problem is an entirely divided Congress who can't even agree to disagree on any single topic.
My suggestion to our lovely, divided Congress. All of you to learn the definition of the word "compromise", because without compromise, we will remain a divided nation, and a nation divided from the rest of the countries on our same planet.
Foreign policy, believe it or not, is as important to the United States as is our fiscal policy, social policy, etc.
We are one world, and it's not looking good for any of us.
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Morsi said: "God's will and elections made me the captain of this ship."
Sounds just like a Republican. Good luck Egypt.
But it is Liberals who support Morsi and conservatives who oppose him, here in America.
Or is Barack flip flopping again?
Is Barack a Republican?
God's will? I know it just 'a bump in the road'
gemininmeg::::
Morsis god is a pagen god
The Republican God is the LIVING GOD
the Living God teaches LOVE, KINDNESS, SHARING, PEACE, FORGIVENESS & RESPECT FOR WOMEN
The false god teaches death,& destruction, more like the teachings of the devil.
I do see Conservative Christains as alot like Islam. Since they both sprung from the same ancient Moses rules its no real suprise. At least Jews don't try to convert everyone. They just want to live in their own country without others trying to kill them all off And They Should!
None of us wants to live by some ancient rules in an old Testament. So much rhetoric with everyone forgetting the Live and Let live Good Actions, with kindness, sharing, fair and equal rules etc. that was the reason America became.
For all you haters out there that depend on each other for thumbs up . . . . do you really think you can hate the economy into recovery . . . do you really think you can hate the President and make the country better for it . . . . all your hate just makes you small inside and dangerous on the outside. Not something that anyone could really love.
This is how radical Islam got its birth. Lonely souls without much purpose and no recognition gather together and find they have their hate in common. This gives them a high and they thank Allah and before you know it they have convinced them self that hate is right and with Allah's might they can destroy all the things that made them feel like they weren't good enough.
Once they reach that point where they believe their hate is right, they really aren't worth anything and so they kill to get Allah's approval.
How far are you willing to let your hate take you?
The Muslim Brotherhood is a major problem for the western world. If you don't know who they are or don't know much about them read the Muslim Brotherhood "Project". This is a document found in a 2001 raid in Switzerland and used by the U.S. government to prosecute The Holy Land Foundation for terrorist funding. The M.B. is engaged in what they call Civilization Jihad. With their plan well underway there was no way the were going to let Hamas (which the M.B. founded) do anything to derail them. What they are doing in Egypt now is nothing compared to what they have planned. Last month they told Egyptians that they wanted to close all business by 10 pm because "all Egyptians should go to bed early, raise early and go to work". Not hard to see where this is going. The M.B. is also the exiled group who is taking over Syria. This started the same way Egypt went. The young people fed up with their government started a revolution only to have it taken over by the M.B. Europe is in deep trouble and they are just starting to figure this out. The M.B. believe that they will control Europe by 2021-2022. How? They are using democracy against them and they are breeding fast. If we don't stand against this VERY REAL THREAT now we will be fighting the next war here in our streets.
The most scary aspect in all this is, the American President supports them!
Of coarse Anne, Obama is part to the Muslim brother hood,,Check you facts that only blind idiot racist people can't see. the new black American. Racist idiots who vote for destruction, like they cause in their scum cities..
chuck, you need to get out of the Farrakhan compound more often and experience the real world. You're the great racist, not I.
Old man McCain was really whooping it up when all these Arab "revolutions" were taking place. As usual, clueless. OR maybe he realized it may turn out to be a possibility for getting us into another war. Sneaky.
Can't play the blame anyone but Barack game anymore.
Barack owns all the mess now. He fought hard for it, give it to him.
Bush, McCain, Palin, Rush, Hannity, Romney and Ronnie RayGun are not in charge. All problems now belong to the Democrats.
So fix them.
tweets from obama - I'm not sure what planet you hail from. But on Earth, the revolution against Mubarak began, proceeded and succeeded without any material help from the Obama Administration.
The only action taken by the White House was to suggest to Mubarak that the time for his departure was at hand, and that was only after it was plain to everybody except Mubarak that his time was done.
Remarks such as yours show either a complete ignorance of how U.S. foreign policy works, or, more likely, just a rabid desire to place the blame on the Obama White House for everything which goes wrong in the Middle East.
And now he demands Obama fix everyting in the world as though Mitt would have. LOL
d-man
A rabid desire to place blame on Obama, you make me laugh! Obama was salivating along with the court jester Biden praising the "freedom fighters" all the while the bias Media were falling on each other to get on board ! Yes d man Obama, Clinton ,Biden ,all of Obamas white house OWNS this situation. Don't fear d-man you could blame it on "that video".
I can't tell how old you are lee-936758. But whatever your age, apparently life has not taught you the difference between wanting it to rain, and making it rain.
...and that ain't a real complicated concept.
Whatever the sympathies of Barack Obama and his administration regarding the uprising in Egypt, events there unfolded without any help from the U.S.
If you want to assess blame, blame the Egyptian people, or the Egyptian Army, which stood to the side.
But Obama and Biden? They had nothing to do with it, nor could they have halted it.
Any rational person could understand this. But for people like you and the apply named tweets, it seems easier to just shout "Obama, Obama!"
Very impressive.
The blind ,stupid left zombies..The O'Bama administration had more to do with Arab spring than a brain washed O'Bammay minion would admit. I'll give you a hint ( I'm older than 4 yrs.) 3 yrs. older than your short memory! The entire O'Bama administration including that lying Susan Rice have blood on their hands. You talk about "rational" people, while still blaming the Egyptian people & army ( I told you to blame THAT VIDEO )........FORWARD: Bullst** people like you and this lying O'Bama Administration will still be blaming others & things for the next 4 yrs. for anything that goes wrong!
And sadly, that was the high mark of your post.
I'm glad to hear you've at least had your fourth birthday. When you eventually put away the toy blocks and right wing fairy tales, and start reading newspapers, you may find the world is a trifle more complicated than your simple ideas about it.
What exactly did the Obama Administration have to do with the revolution in Egypt? Or is actually supplying some logical foundation for your loud assertions still a bit above your age-level?
Why would I take your instruction about anything?
Now surprise me. Come back with a rational, well-ordered argument.
There's your problem, you believeeverything you read From the AP (Arab Press). It all started after the OBama 2009 Arab world apology tour!!
d-man
just go to youtube and search "obama Arab spring" You can hear it straight from the Kings mouth!!!!!!
I should believe you instead, lee? Right.
The Arab Press (AP)? That is really very clever of you; you spotted that Associated Press and Arab Press start with the same letters, and you made a logical [?] assumption that the two things must be synonymous.
Very clever. Go show mommy.
Maybe she can explain to you that the Egyptian, Libyan, Tunisian and Syrian uprisings had everything to do with the dynamics between the rulers of those countries and their citizens, and very little to do with the United States, or Obama's world tour following his first inauguration.
But, of course that would require you stepping outside of your comfortable little world, where everything can be explained with simple causes and solutions.
And the attack on me continues, the video of King obama praising the arab spring bother you? Try searching Hillary Clinton arab spring or biden arab spring. You should have blamed the video like I told you! Your boy obama owns this!!!! Now go tell mommy I'll be there at 3:00. Good boy
tweets from obama...if you are so fed up with the USA, why not move somewhere else?
I'm fed up with Liberals. Not America.
Poor baby!